August 14, 2025 • 40 mins
President Trump and his team are gearing up for a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin Friday in Alaska, to discuss putting an end to the war in Ukraine. While Trump is confident in a successful meeting with Putin that will set the stage for a second meeting roping in Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, he says there is a 25% chance the meeting will not go successfully.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you, Boston's
all right.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I want to hear from you. I want to talk
about what will a won't happen tomorrow. I think that
during our lives, those of us who remember Reagan Gorbachev,
uh that resulted in the collapse of the Soviet Union.
(00:28):
And and please understand history, Please understand history. Reagan didn't
in South garb Gorbachev. He probably beguiled Gorbachev. I think
he made Gorbachev see the the light to put to
use a metaphor, I don't know that Putin has the
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soul of Gorbachev, and I hope that Trump understands that.
And I'm not looking at talk theologically here. I'm just
talking about I think Putin is an un reconstructed KGB
agent at his core. It's what he is, it's everything
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that he believes. He has said that the greatest disaster
of the twentieth century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
So I just want to know what do you think
is going to come out of this? Because I can
make the argument that this is an intractable set of
circumstances and that Trump has put a lot of a
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lot of his reputation on the table, and that you
know he said today that it's twenty five percent that
this would fail. I think it's more seventy five percent
that it would fail. And I don't want to be
a pessimist, but I'm hoping some of you will join
the conversation and agree or disagree. It's as simple as that.
(02:00):
I'd love to know what you think happens tomorrow. I
don't see any quick solution tomorrow. I don't see some
joint press conference where they are inviting Zelinsky to a meeting,
because if they're inviting Zolensky to a meeting in which
Trump and Putin will participate in, that means that a
deal has been set. Putin wants part of He has
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to get some territory to justify the loss of a
million lives. He has to I don't think there's any
way that he can withdraw to the lines of February
of twenty twenty two, when Russia masked on what was
then Ukraine's word. I don't think that Zolinsky can surrender
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that part of eastern Ukraine. I think it's intractable. Now.
There may be some other things that can be offered.
I don't know. Let's have a let's talk about it.
I don't think Trump can go in, as Will suggested,
and rip open his shirt and do a Hulk Holgan. Either.
(03:06):
Let me get back to Ken and Walton Ken. Let's
start with the question of intractability. I just think this
is this is Uh, this is not an easy solution
because both Putin and Zelensky have stayed have staked out
diametrically opposite positions on a number of these issues.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I agree, I mean I first I
wanted to say, I hope Will doesn't think I was
making fun of him because I'm aligned with him.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah. And by the way, I also what I in
my excitement to get back on the air. Anyone who
would like to follow Kevin Sirilli. This is his website.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The letters stand for Meet the Future, so it's MTF,
Meet the Future, MTF, three letters, MTF dot TV. So
I told Kevin I was rushed at the end and
I couldn't get his his website. So some of you,
if you want to follow him, uh, and see, he's
(04:07):
a thinker. He's what's called a futurist because he thinks
down the line, and you've got a taste of it
if you want to read any of his other writings
MTF dot TV, MTF Meet the Future, go ahead, Kevin,
I interrupted you, I apologize.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, so I I agree with will Trump. You know, well,
I won't treat Putin, you know, appease him and all that,
but he certainly can't. He shouldn't do what he did
does either.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
So yeah, that was not a good look for anybody
as far as I was going. First of all, they
never should have been in that situation. They should have
sat there, shaken hands. Vance should not have gotten into
the fight. No one else should have been speaking, either
Zolensky or Trump uh in the agreement should have been
(05:00):
They both must have said something like, we're looking forward
to a conversation at lunch, thank you very much for
the photo op, and we'll talk to you after our meeting.
And then if they had a bad meeting behind closed doors,
you come up with a statement in which you maybe
don't have that photo op after the lunch. It was.
(05:21):
It was amateurish in my opinion, and results can be
in public, but negotiations in private.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And he is what you're saying, and I agree with you.
I also agree, like we talked last week. I mean,
I think it is an attractable situation. The only solution
I see, and I keep this as I always preference it.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope Trump can work a miracle,
but I don't see it. I think he's doing everything wrong.
The only answer seems to be, you know, Veolensky's standing
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his ground, Ukraine doing what it's doing, and just I
was the guy who said, just like Afghanistan, eventually Russia
will leave, and you know, Russia leave.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Them of the difference if I could, the difference between
Afghanistan and Ukraine is supply lined. You know, Ukraine is
next door, Afghanistan is not.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I mean, I think I'm agreeing with you Dan that
it's intractable, right, I mean, what do you see?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't see. I really don't think, because I don't
think Putin is the sort who's going to you know,
put his chip, you know, just just fold. I don't
think he's going to fold. And maybe maybe there's some
more complicated deal that I don't see that the Trump's
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people have put together that is so good that Putin
can go back. Everybody's going to go back home and
say we want no one can go back home and
say I got skunked.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Maybe maybe maybe he.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Says Ukraine never gets into NATO. I don't know how Trump,
how any president can say that, but you know that
would have to almost be a treaty, and I'm not sure.
I don't think the Senate would sign a treaty like that,
because anything a president says can be countermanded by a
subsequent president. As I think we've learned.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know, if Russia left and they did not leave Crimea,
I think Violensky would not attack Crimea as an example.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I agree with media. You can give it Edia because
Crimea was lost in twenty fourteen on Obama's watch. Crump
doesn't care about that.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That gives you maybe, well, yeah, And what I was
going to say is, I mean, maybe, and maybe there's
some intermediate you know, where Russia can stop fighting and
Crimea and maybe other spots they'll continue to occupy where
it's not going to be twenty percent of the country,
and if it's twenty percent of the country, Zolenski is
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going to continue to fight.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
So maybe there's.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Something in there where the fighting would actually stop.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And well, maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe Putin would
agree if there was some legitimate international plebiscite in the
in the what's called the Dombas region eastern Ukraine, which
is supposedly ethically Russian not Ukrainian. Uh, And maybe if
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Zolensky said, we will allow you know, this area limited
area to determine demographically if they want to remain with
Ukraine or affiliate with Russia. So he get, you get
ways that you could do that a little bit, but.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Not one thing. Another reference I was going to make
to last week too. I mean, I think Volynsky really
is in the Winston Churchill situation and not then yeah, right,
he's being invaded by a superior power and his forces
are holding off. This brutal to me. You know, I'm
I'm one hundred percent behind Israel. But it's a little different,
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I think, than than the church Will thing. But then
you know Britain and the Skies are still in you know,
British Hams. So that's just an aside.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That's I think net Yeah, who is is the Churchill
of Israel? Because I think that that is you know,
I'm not going to open up Israel here, but I
think that Israel's gone through a bunch of prime ministers,
including Ariol Charon, who made the mistake of giving Gaza
away in the hopes of placating the Palestinians. And what
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they did was they elected Hamas, who then decided there
will be no more elections.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And Sharon was considered to be more more tougher than Yahoo.
But Charon kind of did a did a one eighty
on on that. But anyway, and we won't we won't
mess these things up. I have my views, you have
you and I respect you immensely.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Can As you know, Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Some other night, Yeah we will, we will.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, I think, yeah, how does it end tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Give me your prediction right now? How does it end?
Do they have a joint statement that they have some
sort of framework, some structure that they're going to work on,
or do they both say we we are as far
apart today as we were before we left Washing respectively
Washington at Moscow.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I'm gonna I have no idea, but I'll just the
only wild guess I can come up with is Trump
is gonna say we made progress, but he's not going
to offer any specifics.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That would be Trumpian. Yeah, I mean, you know, I
get it. I get it. We'll say, we'll say, if
that's what happens, to give me a call tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
All right, We're gonna keep rolling here. I got to
take a break. This is a quick break. Right on
the other side of the break, we got Rawn in
Newton coming up, and we only have one line at
six one seven. This is a big day tomorrow, folks.
No matter what happens, this is a big day tomorrow.
This is almost like the day before President Reagan gave
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his speech at the Berlin Wall. Okay, the potential exists.
Whether it will be realized, it's a question I'd like
you to answer. But coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Ron from Newton's Neck Ron, thank you for holding through
the news. Next on Nightside, go a hit.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Sir, Hi Dan, thank you very much. This was this
is an incredible show.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
I have to say that this was the most clear
and articulate discussion regarding world events that I've heard in
a long while.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
He well, Ken Kevin really gets credit for that, my friend. Okay,
I just simply get the guests. Okay, I sit back
and I listened to He's really.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Good, He's incredible. He restored my faith in journalism. I think,
you know, I don't know to the extent that he
would be a candidate, but he could mentor the Nieman
fellows at Harvard.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I think they were, well, he's a young guy, he's
only in his thirties and he was in Helsinki. I mean,
that was a great moment in time. Trump was battered
from pillar to post, and that sort of reinforced that
he was Putin's lapdog. I felt somewhat sorry for Trump
at that point, because you're the president of the United States.
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You're meeting with the other nuclear power in the world,
which is Russia, particularly in twenty eighteen. He's got to
go in there, and it's better to have a relationship
and a friendship than an enmity. But no one gave
a lot of the people in the media were hoping
that Trump would fail, and I think that there are
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some people tomorrow who are hoping that Trump does not succeed.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Well, you know, whether whether it succeeds and what what
you call as as as succeeding, Uh, maybe two different,
two different outcomes that.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Let's let's let's say that let's say that somehow, some way,
Donald Trump convinces Vladimir Putin that, you know, maybe because
he's lost a million people in this war, that it's
time to to call it a day. Okay. And let's
let's say Putin gets a couple of little concessions that
makes him a little happy. And uh and and and
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it's done. How does Trump not not get a Nobel prize?
And and heads in the toil offices of the New
York Times will explode. Where to happen?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
My god?
Speaker 8 (14:07):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
You know, I don't, I don't. I mean, I read them,
but I don't trust them. I rely upon you to
be truthful and to come through with a more clear
and open discussion. And you know, you this could be
sometimes I look back and I think, I know I
referred to this before. But Harry Truman came out of nowhere.
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He surprised the world. He basically, you know, the other
two allies Britain, Churchill and Stalin wanted to do what
they call the political solution, and that is to take
those those defendants out and just shoot them and be
done with it. And Harry Truman said, no, we have
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to give them a due process and something. You know,
they get to choose, they get to have their own
attorneys and uh. And it basically set the stage uh
for the world for years to come on at an
international level.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you're talking about you're talking obviously about the Nuremberg
Trials right now.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
It may be that President Trump surprises just as Harry
Truman did. And I don't I don't know, but I
think you have to look at history too to be
more longsighted.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, well, no one would have expected the Cold warrior
Ronald Reagan to become a friend of Gorbachev. But in
that friendship, uh, deep deep in that friendship was what
caused the Berlin Wall to come down. Reagan didn't take
the Berlin Wall down. That was taken down by by Gorgushev. No,
(15:56):
I mean Reagan's words took the took the wall, you know,
saying same way with Trump. When Trump was running, initially
was we were told this guy is crazy, he's going
to start World war. We'll being in nuclear war, you
know by Valentine's Day.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm hopeful. So that's I'm very hopeful, and
I am so thankful that you had Kevin surly on.
Thank you my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Thank you for the kind words.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Ron.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I appreciate it so much. We'll talk soon. All right,
let's keep rolling here. We're going to go next. I'm
going to go to Eric and Attleborough. Eric, you next
to Night Sager. Right ahead.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
Again, thank you for thinking my call.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Turn that radio down, Eric, come on, let's go.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Yeah, all right, real quickly, I want to take the side.
I want to just express three very important bigs from
the Russian side. And it's number one in talking about history.
I mean, Tutin visited both Obama and Bush Junior at
Camp David, like on the regular and it was no
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big deal. And like history lately seems to forget that.
The second thing is that the real thing that softened
the underbelly of the USSR was the proxy war via
Afghanistan and the establishment of the Muhajaden by US military
forces and the State Department and so on to fight
a war of attrition against the Soviet Union over the
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course of a decade. That is what fundamentally led to
the breaking a part of the Soviet Union. And the
third thing is that in twenty fourteen, from the standpoint
of the Russians. Okay, the euromaden Revolution was launched in
the Ukraine, which resulted in the stepping down of the
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pro Russian pro putent aspect president.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm going to concede to you who had been actually elected.
He was not installed, He was an elected he was
a democratically elected leader of youth.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Fair enough.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
But but but.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
This is the biggest point, the biggest point that led
to Operations Special Z. Actually special Operations Z is very
important because upon twenty fourteen, upon the Euromadean Revolution, the
Azov Battalion, which is a mercenary group in essence like
underfunding from different you know sources, that history is shown
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to repeat themselves. Begin it began a long war against
Russian separatists in the Dawnbos and specifically what it had
begun to happen in the year twenty twenty was that
Azov was shelling non combatants ethnic Russians in the Dawnbos
like in their apartments. And it last, it persisted over
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two years. And I mean, you know, this isn't from
the Russian standpoint. NATO was formed in nineteen sixty seven
specifically the counter the u USSR's growth and what's incredible
is that upon the dissolution of the USSR, you know,
NATO has only expanded. So I'm trying to speak from
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the Russian standpoint about how it feels to be encroached upon,
you know, by forces around the world.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You know, No, I understand the point you're making, and
you're making you You're like a lawyer. You're making a
good point. Points that are interesting. Okay, but remember Russia
occupied half of Europe, you know, all those countries, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland,
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r Bulgaria.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 10 (19:43):
However, the like up until I mean the Bolshevik Revolution
was also funded by partially by you know, walls enthusiasts,
and the removal of the tsar. Like two things to that,
like number one the tsar.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Can I just correct you on one thing you said?
A lot of what you've said has been absolutely true.
I think you mistakenly said that NATA was founded in
nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 10 (20:11):
I could have had the wrong year, but the premise,
but the reason.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Was founded about twenty years earlier, in nineteen forty nine,
in the wake of.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize no problem, no problem.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So no, the points you made, the points you made
are well stated, okay, But at the same time, we
need to remember that Russia has never been the force.
It's not a democratic institution, it's never been a force
for democracy. It, in conjunction with Hitler, started World War
Two on September one, nineteen thirty nine, invading Poland. And
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a lot of those countries that I just mentioned were
under the yoke of Russian Russia and communism, whether it
was Hungary in nineteen fifty six, Czechoslovakia and sixty sixty eight,
those were when up Zech was the president. They have
they have a bad record, bad record here.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
I hear where you're coming from.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
But but one has to remember that the Bolshevik element
that that assassinated bizarre but also removed the essence of
monarchy in Russia was not he was not wound up
within Russia. It came from the outside of the book
Wall Street Bolshiviks by Sutton, he's a professor at the
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school in Iowa, wrote a very elaborate history.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
On this, and that's over a hundred years ago.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
But but workers of the World Unite is a very
attractive statement.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, which the work, but the workers, the workers in
Russia have been oppressed. It's the promise of Russia never
never came to be for the Russian people. It was
a country where where people who were dissidents were sent
to Siberia if they were lucky. If they weren't lucky,
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they were simply shot and killed. I mean I have
no way for russiayah.
Speaker 10 (22:08):
Well, on a long enough timeline, like Russia as it's
known today, like the sovereignty of the Russian nation out
of sense today. It was in the eight eight I'm sorry,
the year eight third, I don't out between eight thirty
and eight forty eighty. I mean Russia has persisted. So
I mean, I don't know. I just like, really just
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a lot of these elements, need you know, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It looks Eric, just like Eric, I have no idea why.
First of all, interesting history lesson a lot of what
you said is accurate, Okay, But I I when the
when the left, when when the Democratic left back in
the days of you know, uh, you know, George McGovern
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and Ted Kennedy and the Democratic Party and they thought about, oh,
we can have this this great relationship with Russia, Russia
has never been an ally of the United States unless
it acted in their own interest. When Germany, when they
in Germany turned on one another, you know that that
they were looking for help from us, We were looking
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for help from them. It was it was a it
was an alliance of convenience. After the war, they took
advantage of of of Roosevelt and Churchill, in my opinion,
and they enslaved hundreds of millions of people in Eastern Europe.
Simple as that.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
I I.
Speaker 10 (23:37):
Don't disagree with that, but it was under the guise
of communism, and it was got It was outside agitators,
if you wire, like like the Trotsky I I mean Lenin,
like these were all outside provocateurs. It wasn't like the
essence of the Russian people.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's always Look, the Cuban people are probably great people,
but they live in a dictatorship, you know, I mean
the people a great people when they live they live
under Hamas.
Speaker 10 (24:04):
You know, I mean, I mean, I mean I Hamas
is the resistance to like like you know, since the
knock Bob, I mean, that's a separate issue. Like you know,
obviously I haven't I have a you.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Make it simpler simpler, Eric, I'll make it simpler. The
North Koreans probably a great people, but they live under
under the boot of Kim Jong un and before him
is grandfather.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
But jeu Cha is an excellent philosophy if one was
to read it like if you took the philosophy of
ju cha, which is practiced in North Korea.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And I'm not going in because I have know what
you're talking about at that point. At that point, I
got to end it. And plus Kevin rather, Eric, I'm
five minutes into my newscast and we've gone eight minutes.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
So I appreciate it. I appreciate the discussion, and as all,
God bless you again and thank you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Back on night Side, right after.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
The news, Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We're getting everybody in and we got one line open, six, one, seven, two,
ten thirty. How's it going to end tomorrow, folks? I don't.
I don't think it's gonna end. Well. I think it
probably will end with a lot of frustration and question marks.
That would be my prediction. Where are we going next?
Gonna go to Joe and our LinkedIn Joe appreciate your patients.
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You have held on quite a while. You're next on nightside, Joe,
go right ahead, Oh yeah, Dan.
Speaker 12 (25:38):
One thing I wanted to mention was I think I
heard Crump say something like, within the first two minutes
of meeting Putin, he would be able to sense whether
there's a deal possible with him.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
As I remember, right, you.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Are absolutely correct on that, you know, to be honest
with this a matter of fact, I might even have this.
Let me say, do we have that that that bite Robert? Now,
I think I think we do. No, I don't. I
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don't think so, don't think so. Okay, but he did
say that, yeah, go right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Ahead, he did.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
Given that, I mean, from Putin's point of view, I
think he's basically just going to try to string Trump along,
as he has been doing. And as I think Zelenski
points out there. The one thing I would say, though, is,
given that Trump, you know, has a lot of confidence
in being able to quickly discern, you know, what Putin's
intentions are within the first two minutes, why not do
something along the lines of what he's threatening to do
is impose secondary sanctions. I think he's mentioned a few
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times and as a as an old international economist. That
is one thing that would, in fact, I think in
most of your other economic experts around about they probably
would agree, would bring the Russian economy to its knees
in pretty short order. I mean, everything else has been
kind of doing playing titoy and wings with them. But
if they do secondary sanctions, I mean that's going to
cut off the Chinese ally and positive, you know, all
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their revenue from gas and oil. And so I think
Trump might be well advised to say, listen, you know, Vladimir,
you know we're old friends and all that, but you know,
unless you show some good faith here and you know,
convince me that you're going to make some positive moves,
let me just play.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I have one SoundBite that I want you to respond to,
and this is pretty much what you're saying. But I
think it reinforces the validity of your comment. Cut number one,
please rob cut number one. Russia face any consequences if
Vladimir Putin does not agree to stop the war after
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your meeting on Friday, Yes, they will. What will there
will be consitution today will be I don't have to
say there will be very severe consequences. Yes, yeah, So
I think that's what he's that's what you're talking about.
I think that's what President Trump was talking about.
Speaker 12 (27:55):
Yeah, I think that's one thing that actually might work
with him. In other words, basically just tell them, you know,
unless you come to some sort of tenetive agreement here,
you know, the secondary sanctions I think Trump is threatening
one hundred percent on India and China.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, with them, it.
Speaker 12 (28:09):
Would go into effect the minute you know, the you know,
Vladimir is playing crosses out of Alaskan their space into Russia.
And then you know, let them think about that.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, I suspect Button has probably thought about that at
this point. Let's see what Let's see what happens. We
certainly can hope it doesn't end that that way because
if it does, that's going to Royal, the stock market,
and right there will be consequences for us as well.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Oh.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
I mean, yeah, it's really playing chicken with the world economy.
I mean, but I mean it's what everyone's been trying
to do for three years, which is bring the Russian
economy to its knees, which hasn't happened.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
That would do it, all.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Right, Joe, great questions, great comments.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
Thank you, welcome, min.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Not good let me go to mixed up Daryl in
New Brunswick, Darryl First Canadian College tonight, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Hey, Then you asked the question about remembering Reagan and Gorbachev,
and I do remember it because if you recall, if
people might know, the air show is back in after
nineteen ninety two, they had the mid twenty nine s
flying around. If you recall that, I.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Don't, but I'll take your word for it. And what
are the implications of that.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Well, what it is is when the wall came down,
then we received the air the fighters to do tours
for air shows around North America after the wall came down.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
No, I understand that. Yeah, things changed dramatically and yep,
that's true.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yes, And going to what's going to happen, possibly because
the Lenski cannot give up land because also with the
ports they have in the Black Sea, that would give
Russia more control and they couldn't get their products out
of ports. Right, Well, that's my thought.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, Okay, that's pretty complicated. I got to kind of
straighten that out of my mind. But let's see if
people want to react to that. Daryl. I don't think
you're incorrect, but I hadn't quite looked at it that way.
So thank you for your call.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Okay, Hey, we got to stay strong and together.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I would I would agree with you on that. That
is for sure. That is for sure. We then Canada
and the US should be allies, whatever agreement disagreements we
might have. Okay, we are and people don't know it.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Great, you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Thank you, Darree, appreciate the call. Six one seven, two five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, ten thirty. We're
coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Okay, we're going to try to get everybody in. It's
going to be tough. I'm going to ask everybody to
be as concise as they can. Let me start with
Rob in Medford. Rob, you're going to start us off.
Set the tone, Please go ahead.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Hello, Dan, what happened to who being a war criminal
and now he's negotiating? Did did I miss something between
him being a war criminal at the Hague and and
and and now he's back in good standing? Well, something
happened that he was.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Problem is with a lot of the international tributals. Uh,
they can label people, but they don't have jurisdiction over them.
And if you want to negotiate, if you want to
end the fighting in Ukraine, there are two men who
can effectuate that desire. One his name is Zelenski, won
his name Putin. We can ignore Putin and and he'll
(31:39):
just continue firing rockets at Ukraine.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
I don't think he'd be taken into custody.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And could he be Could he be arrested while on
the US territory and taken to the Hague or something
by the UN.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
No, No, he would have diplomatic immunity. He would have
diplomatical unity. He's he's not going to be taken into custody,
he's but he's he's here at the invitation of the
United States. He asked for the meeting. Trump agreed they
actually had to drop sanctions momentarily personal sanctions against him
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so he could come into the United States and that
those sanctions will be restored on August twentieth. So you know,
he has a little window of opportunity here to do
the right thing.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
But he's not a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
War criminal until he's accused of being a war criminal,
Sure he is. But I'm not going to debate whether
he's a war criminal or lot because at this point
we got to deal with him.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
We should hope.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Well, I mean it's a reality. I mean hamaso war
criminals to what they did in Israel.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
But right, and that's all of that.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
They the hostages should have been returned a long time ago.
Nobody made a big deal out of it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well, sure they did, made a big deal out of it.
Trump made a big deal a lot of it. Hostage
families are still making a big deal out of it.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I think it was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What's that gonna be?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
A university students and a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
These these no they were.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
They're rooting for Hamas. They're they're anti Semites. They they
they're rooting overtly for Hamas. If Hitler were alive, they'd
be they'd be sick, Hiley Hitler. Hey, Rob, I gotta run,
Thank you much.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Go by, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Let's keep rolling here, Dave and san Antonio. Dave, you've
got to be quick for me tonight. You've called late,
and I know it's late, but so help me out.
Go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Yeah, I just think that Putin will he's coming with
one point of.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
View or the other.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
He's other either going to tell Donald if he doesn't
lay off financially with you know, the oil in India
and China and the financially causing financial stress in Russia,
he's only going to tell him you going to be
confronting us, or he's going to uh surrender some of
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that land back to Ukraine and keep the rest. And
I got a feeling that that's a very good chance
of happening because Zlensky said he's not going to give
up any land, but he's already lost the totally side
of the Ukraine to the Russians.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They have that well, he's there is land that that
that that the Russians now hold. You're correct on that, h.
I don't know if you have to define for me
the total east side. I again, I know that there's
some land, but I think that that it's.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Not like the land that was was mostly populated by Russians.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I know that. Yeah, I've expressed that, and I said
one of the ways out will be to have some
sort of a plebiscite that will be conducted by the
United Nations or some third party, which then might uh
you know, the Lensky as a as a democratically elected
president and someone who believes in democracy. Maybe he'd go
with that. I don't know, Dave. I got to run.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
They give them may be willing to give them land
that has access to the Black Sea. I believe it
is so that they can, you know, do their do
their business, their their capitalistic business. But he's going to
keep a lot of that land.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, all right, David made that point, and I got
to run because I got four behind you. Thank you,
my friend, and talk to you soon. Let me go
to Tina and won socket Tina, you are calling late.
I'm going to be very tight.
Speaker 11 (35:35):
Ona, Okay, Yes, Well, you have three big egos. Trump's
the Lenscampo, and I think this is a chance for
Russia to align with the United States. Ukraine for all
it's suffering and all their devastation, they're going to go
quietly in the night, and then nobody's going to recognize
(35:57):
the heroism. And I think that they agree that Ukraine
will not join NATO. There's a chance for this to
work out for for for everybody, and that's what I'm
hoping for.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay. I don't discount that possibility, to be honest with you, Uh,
that's a pretty student observation. I thank you for making
I thank you for making it quickly.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Thank you, Tina, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Good night, Keep going here. We're gonna get everybody in
maybe maybe maybe maybe Bill in Pennsylvania, Bill, you gotta
be quick for me, my friend. I give you a
lot of time, but you've called in late. Others have
sacrificed their time. Your thoughts go ahead.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Bill.
Speaker 13 (36:44):
I don't think Putin's ever gonna make it back to Russia.
I think there's gonna be a mid air collision or
something like that. They can't let this guy get back
to Russia alive.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's pretty uh, that's that's the way we would That's
why we would do it, and that's what they got
to do with Putin.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
Let's start thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, you know what, I don't think that would be
a smart thing to do. I do and I don't
think that will happen. But if that happens, I want
you to call me back tomorrow. I know. Whenever that
were to happen, and give us a call, I suspect him.
That's a frightening prospect in my opinion, in terms of
(37:25):
what then the people left behind in Russia might decide
to do. If you get my.
Speaker 13 (37:28):
Drift, well they better they our CIA better have the
next guy lined up already.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
All Right, we'll see what happens. Thanks, Bill, appreciate it. Okay,
they're gonna go to Jim and the Cape. Jim, I
got you, and I get one more coming up. Go ahead, Jim.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
I just want to say, let's never remember how we
got here from two feckless week individuals named Barack Obama
and Joe Biden, and just think about what's going on
tomorrow as if it would ever happen with Kamala Harris.
For you idiots that voted for her, this is all
because of Joe Biden and Barack Obama. Let us not
(38:06):
forget the facts.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
And let's be.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Thrilled that we at least have somebody who's got the
strength to go after Putin and to meet with him
and put America first.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
All right, Okay, the previous was a paid political announcement.
That's you got it in. I let it in. I
think it's a night where all points of views should
be expressed. Thank you Jim for your call. No response.
George and rock Boy George, I give you about but
I got a minute a half. Rob'll give you thirty seconds.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
George, go ahead, thank you taking my call Dan Ray tomorrow. Right,
Trump's not gonna say it went good. There's gonna there's
gonna be no nothing. It'll be the same thing nothing.
Trump's not gonna say we made progress. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
So you think it's just gonna be a salemate.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
That's it still may not. There's gonna be no peace, nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, I only hope that you're wrong, and I hope
that there is some peace. But we're gonna find out.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so fair enough.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I understand that sentiment. Thank you, so thank you, George,
appreciate it. Have a great night.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
All right, thank you. I'm not sure if he's a
friend of him or me. We'll leave. We'll let that,
We'll let you decide.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I'm going to be on Facebook Night Side with Dan
Ray in about three minutes. I'll see you there. I
thank you all. We had a good show tonight. I
want to thank my guests. I really feel we had
a really good show. I want to thank Kevin Sir
really of MTF Meetthfuture dot TV. He's a futurist, that's
for sure. I want to thank Massachusetts State Senator Nick
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Collins talking about his act relative to transportation safety. All
it is always all dogs, all cats, all pets go
to heaven. That's why Pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen
years ago in February, That's why all your pets are
who passed. They loved you and you love them. I
do believe you'll see them again. I want you to
know Mustard spent part of the time with me tonight
in studio. Mustard the Corgy. You've seen him, but he
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was here tonight giving me moral support as all of
you were down for the night.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Great job, Rob, great job, Marita. See you tomorrow night.
I'll see you on Facebook in about two minutes.
It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you, Boston's
all right.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I want to hear from you. I want to talk
about what will a won't happen tomorrow. I think that
during our lives, those of us who remember Reagan Gorbachev,
uh that resulted in the collapse of the Soviet Union.
(00:28):
And and please understand history, Please understand history. Reagan didn't
in South garb Gorbachev. He probably beguiled Gorbachev. I think
he made Gorbachev see the the light to put to
use a metaphor, I don't know that Putin has the
(00:52):
soul of Gorbachev, and I hope that Trump understands that.
And I'm not looking at talk theologically here. I'm just
talking about I think Putin is an un reconstructed KGB
agent at his core. It's what he is, it's everything
(01:14):
that he believes. He has said that the greatest disaster
of the twentieth century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
So I just want to know what do you think
is going to come out of this? Because I can
make the argument that this is an intractable set of
circumstances and that Trump has put a lot of a
(01:40):
lot of his reputation on the table, and that you
know he said today that it's twenty five percent that
this would fail. I think it's more seventy five percent
that it would fail. And I don't want to be
a pessimist, but I'm hoping some of you will join
the conversation and agree or disagree. It's as simple as that.
(02:00):
I'd love to know what you think happens tomorrow. I
don't see any quick solution tomorrow. I don't see some
joint press conference where they are inviting Zelinsky to a meeting,
because if they're inviting Zolensky to a meeting in which
Trump and Putin will participate in, that means that a
deal has been set. Putin wants part of He has
(02:22):
to get some territory to justify the loss of a
million lives. He has to I don't think there's any
way that he can withdraw to the lines of February
of twenty twenty two, when Russia masked on what was
then Ukraine's word. I don't think that Zolinsky can surrender
(02:44):
that part of eastern Ukraine. I think it's intractable. Now.
There may be some other things that can be offered.
I don't know. Let's have a let's talk about it.
I don't think Trump can go in, as Will suggested,
and rip open his shirt and do a Hulk Holgan. Either.
(03:06):
Let me get back to Ken and Walton Ken. Let's
start with the question of intractability. I just think this
is this is Uh, this is not an easy solution
because both Putin and Zelensky have stayed have staked out
diametrically opposite positions on a number of these issues.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Your thoughts, Yeah, I agree, I mean I first I
wanted to say, I hope Will doesn't think I was
making fun of him because I'm aligned with him.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah. And by the way, I also what I in
my excitement to get back on the air. Anyone who
would like to follow Kevin Sirilli. This is his website.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The letters stand for Meet the Future, so it's MTF,
Meet the Future, MTF, three letters, MTF dot TV. So
I told Kevin I was rushed at the end and
I couldn't get his his website. So some of you,
if you want to follow him, uh, and see, he's
(04:07):
a thinker. He's what's called a futurist because he thinks
down the line, and you've got a taste of it
if you want to read any of his other writings
MTF dot TV, MTF Meet the Future, go ahead, Kevin,
I interrupted you, I apologize.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, so I I agree with will Trump. You know, well,
I won't treat Putin, you know, appease him and all that,
but he certainly can't. He shouldn't do what he did
does either.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
So yeah, that was not a good look for anybody
as far as I was going. First of all, they
never should have been in that situation. They should have
sat there, shaken hands. Vance should not have gotten into
the fight. No one else should have been speaking, either
Zolensky or Trump uh in the agreement should have been
(05:00):
They both must have said something like, we're looking forward
to a conversation at lunch, thank you very much for
the photo op, and we'll talk to you after our meeting.
And then if they had a bad meeting behind closed doors,
you come up with a statement in which you maybe
don't have that photo op after the lunch. It was.
(05:21):
It was amateurish in my opinion, and results can be
in public, but negotiations in private.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And he is what you're saying, and I agree with you.
I also agree, like we talked last week. I mean,
I think it is an attractable situation. The only solution
I see, and I keep this as I always preference it.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope Trump can work a miracle,
but I don't see it. I think he's doing everything wrong.
The only answer seems to be, you know, Veolensky's standing
(05:50):
his ground, Ukraine doing what it's doing, and just I
was the guy who said, just like Afghanistan, eventually Russia
will leave, and you know, Russia leave.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Them of the difference if I could, the difference between
Afghanistan and Ukraine is supply lined. You know, Ukraine is
next door, Afghanistan is not.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
I mean, I think I'm agreeing with you Dan that
it's intractable, right, I mean, what do you see?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't see. I really don't think, because I don't
think Putin is the sort who's going to you know,
put his chip, you know, just just fold. I don't
think he's going to fold. And maybe maybe there's some
more complicated deal that I don't see that the Trump's
(06:45):
people have put together that is so good that Putin
can go back. Everybody's going to go back home and
say we want no one can go back home and
say I got skunked.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Maybe maybe maybe he.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Says Ukraine never gets into NATO. I don't know how Trump,
how any president can say that, but you know that
would have to almost be a treaty, and I'm not sure.
I don't think the Senate would sign a treaty like that,
because anything a president says can be countermanded by a
subsequent president. As I think we've learned.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
You know, if Russia left and they did not leave Crimea,
I think Violensky would not attack Crimea as an example.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I agree with media. You can give it Edia because
Crimea was lost in twenty fourteen on Obama's watch. Crump
doesn't care about that.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That gives you maybe, well, yeah, And what I was
going to say is, I mean, maybe, and maybe there's
some intermediate you know, where Russia can stop fighting and
Crimea and maybe other spots they'll continue to occupy where
it's not going to be twenty percent of the country,
and if it's twenty percent of the country, Zolenski is
(07:57):
going to continue to fight.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
So maybe there's.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Something in there where the fighting would actually stop.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And well, maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe Putin would
agree if there was some legitimate international plebiscite in the
in the what's called the Dombas region eastern Ukraine, which
is supposedly ethically Russian not Ukrainian. Uh, And maybe if
(08:24):
Zolensky said, we will allow you know, this area limited
area to determine demographically if they want to remain with
Ukraine or affiliate with Russia. So he get, you get
ways that you could do that a little bit, but.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Not one thing. Another reference I was going to make
to last week too. I mean, I think Volynsky really
is in the Winston Churchill situation and not then yeah, right,
he's being invaded by a superior power and his forces
are holding off. This brutal to me. You know, I'm
I'm one hundred percent behind Israel. But it's a little different,
(09:04):
I think, than than the church Will thing. But then
you know Britain and the Skies are still in you know,
British Hams. So that's just an aside.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That's I think net Yeah, who is is the Churchill
of Israel? Because I think that that is you know,
I'm not going to open up Israel here, but I
think that Israel's gone through a bunch of prime ministers,
including Ariol Charon, who made the mistake of giving Gaza
away in the hopes of placating the Palestinians. And what
(09:39):
they did was they elected Hamas, who then decided there
will be no more elections.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And Sharon was considered to be more more tougher than Yahoo.
But Charon kind of did a did a one eighty
on on that. But anyway, and we won't we won't
mess these things up. I have my views, you have
you and I respect you immensely.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Can As you know, Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Some other night, Yeah we will, we will.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, I think, yeah, how does it end tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Give me your prediction right now? How does it end?
Do they have a joint statement that they have some
sort of framework, some structure that they're going to work on,
or do they both say we we are as far
apart today as we were before we left Washing respectively
Washington at Moscow.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I'm gonna I have no idea, but I'll just the
only wild guess I can come up with is Trump
is gonna say we made progress, but he's not going
to offer any specifics.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That would be Trumpian. Yeah, I mean, you know, I
get it. I get it. We'll say, we'll say, if
that's what happens, to give me a call tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
All right, We're gonna keep rolling here. I got to
take a break. This is a quick break. Right on
the other side of the break, we got Rawn in
Newton coming up, and we only have one line at
six one seven. This is a big day tomorrow, folks.
No matter what happens, this is a big day tomorrow.
This is almost like the day before President Reagan gave
(11:12):
his speech at the Berlin Wall. Okay, the potential exists.
Whether it will be realized, it's a question I'd like
you to answer. But coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Ron from Newton's Neck Ron, thank you for holding through
the news. Next on Nightside, go a hit.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Sir, Hi Dan, thank you very much. This was this
is an incredible show.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
I have to say that this was the most clear
and articulate discussion regarding world events that I've heard in
a long while.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
He well, Ken Kevin really gets credit for that, my friend. Okay,
I just simply get the guests. Okay, I sit back
and I listened to He's really.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Good, He's incredible. He restored my faith in journalism. I think,
you know, I don't know to the extent that he
would be a candidate, but he could mentor the Nieman
fellows at Harvard.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I think they were, well, he's a young guy, he's
only in his thirties and he was in Helsinki. I mean,
that was a great moment in time. Trump was battered
from pillar to post, and that sort of reinforced that
he was Putin's lapdog. I felt somewhat sorry for Trump
at that point, because you're the president of the United States.
(12:40):
You're meeting with the other nuclear power in the world,
which is Russia, particularly in twenty eighteen. He's got to
go in there, and it's better to have a relationship
and a friendship than an enmity. But no one gave
a lot of the people in the media were hoping
that Trump would fail, and I think that there are
(13:01):
some people tomorrow who are hoping that Trump does not succeed.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
Well, you know, whether whether it succeeds and what what
you call as as as succeeding, Uh, maybe two different,
two different outcomes that.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Let's let's let's say that let's say that somehow, some way,
Donald Trump convinces Vladimir Putin that, you know, maybe because
he's lost a million people in this war, that it's
time to to call it a day. Okay. And let's
let's say Putin gets a couple of little concessions that
makes him a little happy. And uh and and and
(13:51):
it's done. How does Trump not not get a Nobel prize?
And and heads in the toil offices of the New
York Times will explode. Where to happen?
Speaker 7 (14:06):
My god?
Speaker 8 (14:07):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
You know, I don't, I don't. I mean, I read them,
but I don't trust them. I rely upon you to
be truthful and to come through with a more clear
and open discussion. And you know, you this could be
sometimes I look back and I think, I know I
referred to this before. But Harry Truman came out of nowhere.
(14:30):
He surprised the world. He basically, you know, the other
two allies Britain, Churchill and Stalin wanted to do what
they call the political solution, and that is to take
those those defendants out and just shoot them and be
done with it. And Harry Truman said, no, we have
(14:52):
to give them a due process and something. You know,
they get to choose, they get to have their own
attorneys and uh. And it basically set the stage uh
for the world for years to come on at an
international level.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And you're talking about you're talking obviously about the Nuremberg
Trials right now.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
It may be that President Trump surprises just as Harry
Truman did. And I don't I don't know, but I
think you have to look at history too to be
more longsighted.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, well, no one would have expected the Cold warrior
Ronald Reagan to become a friend of Gorbachev. But in
that friendship, uh, deep deep in that friendship was what
caused the Berlin Wall to come down. Reagan didn't take
the Berlin Wall down. That was taken down by by Gorgushev. No,
(15:56):
I mean Reagan's words took the took the wall, you know,
saying same way with Trump. When Trump was running, initially
was we were told this guy is crazy, he's going
to start World war. We'll being in nuclear war, you
know by Valentine's Day.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm hopeful. So that's I'm very hopeful, and
I am so thankful that you had Kevin surly on.
Thank you my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Thank you for the kind words.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Ron.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I appreciate it so much. We'll talk soon. All right,
let's keep rolling here. We're going to go next. I'm
going to go to Eric and Attleborough. Eric, you next
to Night Sager. Right ahead.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
Again, thank you for thinking my call.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Turn that radio down, Eric, come on, let's go.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Yeah, all right, real quickly, I want to take the side.
I want to just express three very important bigs from
the Russian side. And it's number one in talking about history.
I mean, Tutin visited both Obama and Bush Junior at
Camp David, like on the regular and it was no
(17:02):
big deal. And like history lately seems to forget that.
The second thing is that the real thing that softened
the underbelly of the USSR was the proxy war via
Afghanistan and the establishment of the Muhajaden by US military
forces and the State Department and so on to fight
a war of attrition against the Soviet Union over the
(17:24):
course of a decade. That is what fundamentally led to
the breaking a part of the Soviet Union. And the
third thing is that in twenty fourteen, from the standpoint
of the Russians. Okay, the euromaden Revolution was launched in
the Ukraine, which resulted in the stepping down of the
(17:45):
pro Russian pro putent aspect president.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm going to concede to you who had been actually elected.
He was not installed, He was an elected he was
a democratically elected leader of youth.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Fair enough.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
But but but.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
This is the biggest point, the biggest point that led
to Operations Special Z. Actually special Operations Z is very
important because upon twenty fourteen, upon the Euromadean Revolution, the
Azov Battalion, which is a mercenary group in essence like
underfunding from different you know sources, that history is shown
(18:27):
to repeat themselves. Begin it began a long war against
Russian separatists in the Dawnbos and specifically what it had
begun to happen in the year twenty twenty was that
Azov was shelling non combatants ethnic Russians in the Dawnbos
like in their apartments. And it last, it persisted over
(18:49):
two years. And I mean, you know, this isn't from
the Russian standpoint. NATO was formed in nineteen sixty seven
specifically the counter the u USSR's growth and what's incredible
is that upon the dissolution of the USSR, you know,
NATO has only expanded. So I'm trying to speak from
(19:09):
the Russian standpoint about how it feels to be encroached upon,
you know, by forces around the world.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
You know, No, I understand the point you're making, and
you're making you You're like a lawyer. You're making a
good point. Points that are interesting. Okay, but remember Russia
occupied half of Europe, you know, all those countries, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland,
(19:39):
r Bulgaria.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
I'm with you on that.
Speaker 10 (19:43):
However, the like up until I mean the Bolshevik Revolution
was also funded by partially by you know, walls enthusiasts,
and the removal of the tsar. Like two things to that,
like number one the tsar.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Can I just correct you on one thing you said?
A lot of what you've said has been absolutely true.
I think you mistakenly said that NATA was founded in
nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 10 (20:11):
I could have had the wrong year, but the premise,
but the reason.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Was founded about twenty years earlier, in nineteen forty nine,
in the wake of.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize no problem, no problem.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So no, the points you made, the points you made
are well stated, okay, But at the same time, we
need to remember that Russia has never been the force.
It's not a democratic institution, it's never been a force
for democracy. It, in conjunction with Hitler, started World War
Two on September one, nineteen thirty nine, invading Poland. And
(20:46):
a lot of those countries that I just mentioned were
under the yoke of Russian Russia and communism, whether it
was Hungary in nineteen fifty six, Czechoslovakia and sixty sixty eight,
those were when up Zech was the president. They have
they have a bad record, bad record here.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
I hear where you're coming from.
Speaker 10 (21:08):
But but one has to remember that the Bolshevik element
that that assassinated bizarre but also removed the essence of
monarchy in Russia was not he was not wound up
within Russia. It came from the outside of the book
Wall Street Bolshiviks by Sutton, he's a professor at the
(21:29):
school in Iowa, wrote a very elaborate history.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
On this, and that's over a hundred years ago.
Speaker 10 (21:36):
But but workers of the World Unite is a very
attractive statement.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, which the work, but the workers, the workers in
Russia have been oppressed. It's the promise of Russia never
never came to be for the Russian people. It was
a country where where people who were dissidents were sent
to Siberia if they were lucky. If they weren't lucky,
(22:02):
they were simply shot and killed. I mean I have
no way for russiayah.
Speaker 10 (22:08):
Well, on a long enough timeline, like Russia as it's
known today, like the sovereignty of the Russian nation out
of sense today. It was in the eight eight I'm sorry,
the year eight third, I don't out between eight thirty
and eight forty eighty. I mean Russia has persisted. So
I mean, I don't know. I just like, really just
(22:32):
a lot of these elements, need you know, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It looks Eric, just like Eric, I have no idea why.
First of all, interesting history lesson a lot of what
you said is accurate, Okay, But I I when the
when the left, when when the Democratic left back in
the days of you know, uh, you know, George McGovern
(22:55):
and Ted Kennedy and the Democratic Party and they thought about, oh,
we can have this this great relationship with Russia, Russia
has never been an ally of the United States unless
it acted in their own interest. When Germany, when they
in Germany turned on one another, you know that that
they were looking for help from us, We were looking
(23:16):
for help from them. It was it was a it
was an alliance of convenience. After the war, they took
advantage of of of Roosevelt and Churchill, in my opinion,
and they enslaved hundreds of millions of people in Eastern Europe.
Simple as that.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
I I.
Speaker 10 (23:37):
Don't disagree with that, but it was under the guise
of communism, and it was got It was outside agitators,
if you wire, like like the Trotsky I I mean Lenin,
like these were all outside provocateurs. It wasn't like the
essence of the Russian people.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
It's always Look, the Cuban people are probably great people,
but they live in a dictatorship, you know, I mean
the people a great people when they live they live
under Hamas.
Speaker 10 (24:04):
You know, I mean, I mean, I mean I Hamas
is the resistance to like like you know, since the
knock Bob, I mean, that's a separate issue. Like you know,
obviously I haven't I have a you.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Make it simpler simpler, Eric, I'll make it simpler. The
North Koreans probably a great people, but they live under
under the boot of Kim Jong un and before him
is grandfather.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
But jeu Cha is an excellent philosophy if one was
to read it like if you took the philosophy of
ju cha, which is practiced in North Korea.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And I'm not going in because I have know what
you're talking about at that point. At that point, I
got to end it. And plus Kevin rather, Eric, I'm
five minutes into my newscast and we've gone eight minutes.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
So I appreciate it. I appreciate the discussion, and as all,
God bless you again and thank you, thank you, sir.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Back on night Side, right after.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
The news, Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
We're getting everybody in and we got one line open, six, one, seven, two,
ten thirty. How's it going to end tomorrow, folks? I don't.
I don't think it's gonna end. Well. I think it
probably will end with a lot of frustration and question marks.
That would be my prediction. Where are we going next?
Gonna go to Joe and our LinkedIn Joe appreciate your patients.
(25:31):
You have held on quite a while. You're next on nightside, Joe,
go right ahead, Oh yeah, Dan.
Speaker 12 (25:38):
One thing I wanted to mention was I think I
heard Crump say something like, within the first two minutes
of meeting Putin, he would be able to sense whether
there's a deal possible with him.
Speaker 10 (25:47):
As I remember, right, you.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Are absolutely correct on that, you know, to be honest
with this a matter of fact, I might even have this.
Let me say, do we have that that that bite Robert? Now,
I think I think we do. No, I don't. I
(26:10):
don't think so, don't think so. Okay, but he did
say that, yeah, go right.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Ahead, he did.
Speaker 12 (26:15):
Given that, I mean, from Putin's point of view, I
think he's basically just going to try to string Trump along,
as he has been doing. And as I think Zelenski
points out there. The one thing I would say, though, is,
given that Trump, you know, has a lot of confidence
in being able to quickly discern, you know, what Putin's
intentions are within the first two minutes, why not do
something along the lines of what he's threatening to do
is impose secondary sanctions. I think he's mentioned a few
(26:38):
times and as a as an old international economist. That
is one thing that would, in fact, I think in
most of your other economic experts around about they probably
would agree, would bring the Russian economy to its knees
in pretty short order. I mean, everything else has been
kind of doing playing titoy and wings with them. But
if they do secondary sanctions, I mean that's going to
cut off the Chinese ally and positive, you know, all
(27:02):
their revenue from gas and oil. And so I think
Trump might be well advised to say, listen, you know, Vladimir,
you know we're old friends and all that, but you know,
unless you show some good faith here and you know,
convince me that you're going to make some positive moves,
let me just play.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
I have one SoundBite that I want you to respond to,
and this is pretty much what you're saying. But I
think it reinforces the validity of your comment. Cut number one,
please rob cut number one. Russia face any consequences if
Vladimir Putin does not agree to stop the war after
(27:39):
your meeting on Friday, Yes, they will. What will there
will be consitution today will be I don't have to
say there will be very severe consequences. Yes, yeah, So
I think that's what he's that's what you're talking about.
I think that's what President Trump was talking about.
Speaker 12 (27:55):
Yeah, I think that's one thing that actually might work
with him. In other words, basically just tell them, you know,
unless you come to some sort of tenetive agreement here,
you know, the secondary sanctions I think Trump is threatening
one hundred percent on India and China.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Yeah, with them, it.
Speaker 12 (28:09):
Would go into effect the minute you know, the you know,
Vladimir is playing crosses out of Alaskan their space into Russia.
And then you know, let them think about that.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, I suspect Button has probably thought about that at
this point. Let's see what Let's see what happens. We
certainly can hope it doesn't end that that way because
if it does, that's going to Royal, the stock market,
and right there will be consequences for us as well.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Oh.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
I mean, yeah, it's really playing chicken with the world economy.
I mean, but I mean it's what everyone's been trying
to do for three years, which is bring the Russian
economy to its knees, which hasn't happened.
Speaker 10 (28:46):
That would do it, all.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Right, Joe, great questions, great comments.
Speaker 12 (28:50):
Thank you, welcome, min.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Not good let me go to mixed up Daryl in
New Brunswick, Darryl First Canadian College tonight, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Hey, Then you asked the question about remembering Reagan and Gorbachev,
and I do remember it because if you recall, if
people might know, the air show is back in after
nineteen ninety two, they had the mid twenty nine s
flying around. If you recall that, I.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Don't, but I'll take your word for it. And what
are the implications of that.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Well, what it is is when the wall came down,
then we received the air the fighters to do tours
for air shows around North America after the wall came down.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
No, I understand that. Yeah, things changed dramatically and yep,
that's true.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Yes, And going to what's going to happen, possibly because
the Lenski cannot give up land because also with the
ports they have in the Black Sea, that would give
Russia more control and they couldn't get their products out
of ports. Right, Well, that's my thought.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, Okay, that's pretty complicated. I got to kind of
straighten that out of my mind. But let's see if
people want to react to that. Daryl. I don't think
you're incorrect, but I hadn't quite looked at it that way.
So thank you for your call.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Okay, Hey, we got to stay strong and together.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I would I would agree with you on that. That
is for sure. That is for sure. We then Canada
and the US should be allies, whatever agreement disagreements we
might have. Okay, we are and people don't know it.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Great, you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Thank you, Darree, appreciate the call. Six one seven, two five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, ten thirty. We're
coming right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Okay, we're going to try to get everybody in. It's
going to be tough. I'm going to ask everybody to
be as concise as they can. Let me start with
Rob in Medford. Rob, you're going to start us off.
Set the tone, Please go ahead.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Rob.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Hello, Dan, what happened to who being a war criminal
and now he's negotiating? Did did I miss something between
him being a war criminal at the Hague and and
and and now he's back in good standing? Well, something
happened that he was.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Problem is with a lot of the international tributals. Uh,
they can label people, but they don't have jurisdiction over them.
And if you want to negotiate, if you want to
end the fighting in Ukraine, there are two men who
can effectuate that desire. One his name is Zelenski, won
his name Putin. We can ignore Putin and and he'll
(31:39):
just continue firing rockets at Ukraine.
Speaker 9 (31:41):
I don't think he'd be taken into custody.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And could he be Could he be arrested while on
the US territory and taken to the Hague or something
by the UN.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
No, No, he would have diplomatic immunity. He would have
diplomatical unity. He's he's not going to be taken into custody,
he's but he's he's here at the invitation of the
United States. He asked for the meeting. Trump agreed they
actually had to drop sanctions momentarily personal sanctions against him
(32:11):
so he could come into the United States and that
those sanctions will be restored on August twentieth. So you know,
he has a little window of opportunity here to do
the right thing.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
But he's not a war criminal.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
War criminal until he's accused of being a war criminal,
Sure he is. But I'm not going to debate whether
he's a war criminal or lot because at this point
we got to deal with him.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
We should hope.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Well, I mean it's a reality. I mean hamaso war
criminals to what they did in Israel.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
But right, and that's all of that.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
They the hostages should have been returned a long time ago.
Nobody made a big deal out of it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Well, sure they did, made a big deal out of it.
Trump made a big deal a lot of it. Hostage
families are still making a big deal out of it.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
I think it was a big deal.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What's that gonna be?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
A university students and a lot of it.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
These these no they were.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
They're rooting for Hamas. They're they're anti Semites. They they
they're rooting overtly for Hamas. If Hitler were alive, they'd
be they'd be sick, Hiley Hitler. Hey, Rob, I gotta run,
Thank you much.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Go by, thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Let's keep rolling here, Dave and san Antonio. Dave, you've
got to be quick for me tonight. You've called late,
and I know it's late, but so help me out.
Go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Yeah, I just think that Putin will he's coming with
one point of.
Speaker 8 (33:36):
View or the other.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
He's other either going to tell Donald if he doesn't
lay off financially with you know, the oil in India
and China and the financially causing financial stress in Russia,
he's only going to tell him you going to be
confronting us, or he's going to uh surrender some of
(34:02):
that land back to Ukraine and keep the rest. And
I got a feeling that that's a very good chance
of happening because Zlensky said he's not going to give
up any land, but he's already lost the totally side
of the Ukraine to the Russians.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
They have that well, he's there is land that that
that that the Russians now hold. You're correct on that, h.
I don't know if you have to define for me
the total east side. I again, I know that there's
some land, but I think that that it's.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Not like the land that was was mostly populated by Russians.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I know that. Yeah, I've expressed that, and I said
one of the ways out will be to have some
sort of a plebiscite that will be conducted by the
United Nations or some third party, which then might uh
you know, the Lensky as a as a democratically elected
president and someone who believes in democracy. Maybe he'd go
with that. I don't know, Dave. I got to run.
Speaker 9 (35:08):
They give them may be willing to give them land
that has access to the Black Sea. I believe it
is so that they can, you know, do their do
their business, their their capitalistic business. But he's going to
keep a lot of that land.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Okay, all right, David made that point, and I got
to run because I got four behind you. Thank you,
my friend, and talk to you soon. Let me go
to Tina and won socket Tina, you are calling late.
I'm going to be very tight.
Speaker 11 (35:35):
Ona, Okay, Yes, Well, you have three big egos. Trump's
the Lenscampo, and I think this is a chance for
Russia to align with the United States. Ukraine for all
it's suffering and all their devastation, they're going to go
quietly in the night, and then nobody's going to recognize
(35:57):
the heroism. And I think that they agree that Ukraine
will not join NATO. There's a chance for this to
work out for for for everybody, and that's what I'm
hoping for.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay. I don't discount that possibility, to be honest with you, Uh,
that's a pretty student observation. I thank you for making
I thank you for making it quickly.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Thank you, Tina, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Good night, Keep going here. We're gonna get everybody in
maybe maybe maybe maybe Bill in Pennsylvania, Bill, you gotta
be quick for me, my friend. I give you a
lot of time, but you've called in late. Others have
sacrificed their time. Your thoughts go ahead.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Bill.
Speaker 13 (36:44):
I don't think Putin's ever gonna make it back to Russia.
I think there's gonna be a mid air collision or
something like that. They can't let this guy get back
to Russia alive.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's pretty uh, that's that's the way we would That's
why we would do it, and that's what they got
to do with Putin.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
Let's start thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Yeah, you know what, I don't think that would be
a smart thing to do. I do and I don't
think that will happen. But if that happens, I want
you to call me back tomorrow. I know. Whenever that
were to happen, and give us a call, I suspect him.
That's a frightening prospect in my opinion, in terms of
(37:25):
what then the people left behind in Russia might decide
to do. If you get my.
Speaker 13 (37:28):
Drift, well they better they our CIA better have the
next guy lined up already.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
All Right, we'll see what happens. Thanks, Bill, appreciate it. Okay,
they're gonna go to Jim and the Cape. Jim, I
got you, and I get one more coming up. Go ahead, Jim.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
I just want to say, let's never remember how we
got here from two feckless week individuals named Barack Obama
and Joe Biden, and just think about what's going on
tomorrow as if it would ever happen with Kamala Harris.
For you idiots that voted for her, this is all
because of Joe Biden and Barack Obama. Let us not
(38:06):
forget the facts.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
And let's be.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
Thrilled that we at least have somebody who's got the
strength to go after Putin and to meet with him
and put America first.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
All right, Okay, the previous was a paid political announcement.
That's you got it in. I let it in. I
think it's a night where all points of views should
be expressed. Thank you Jim for your call. No response.
George and rock Boy George, I give you about but
I got a minute a half. Rob'll give you thirty seconds.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
George, go ahead, thank you taking my call Dan Ray tomorrow. Right,
Trump's not gonna say it went good. There's gonna there's
gonna be no nothing. It'll be the same thing nothing.
Trump's not gonna say we made progress. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
So you think it's just gonna be a salemate.
Speaker 9 (39:01):
That's it still may not. There's gonna be no peace, nothing.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Well, I only hope that you're wrong, and I hope
that there is some peace. But we're gonna find out.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so fair enough.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I understand that sentiment. Thank you, so thank you, George,
appreciate it. Have a great night.
Speaker 6 (39:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
All right, thank you. I'm not sure if he's a
friend of him or me. We'll leave. We'll let that,
We'll let you decide.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
All right.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I'm going to be on Facebook Night Side with Dan
Ray in about three minutes. I'll see you there. I
thank you all. We had a good show tonight. I
want to thank my guests. I really feel we had
a really good show. I want to thank Kevin Sir
really of MTF Meetthfuture dot TV. He's a futurist, that's
for sure. I want to thank Massachusetts State Senator Nick
(39:49):
Collins talking about his act relative to transportation safety. All
it is always all dogs, all cats, all pets go
to heaven. That's why Pal Charlie Rays, who passed fifteen
years ago in February, That's why all your pets are
who passed. They loved you and you love them. I
do believe you'll see them again. I want you to
know Mustard spent part of the time with me tonight
in studio. Mustard the Corgy. You've seen him, but he
(40:12):
was here tonight giving me moral support as all of
you were down for the night.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Great job, Rob, great job, Marita. See you tomorrow night.
I'll see you on Facebook in about two minutes.
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