August 7, 2025 • 38 mins
Various sources say a summit between President Trump and Russian President Putin could occur as early as next week. If the meeting goes off without a hitch, it will be the first in-person summit between an American and Russian president in more than four years. Trump informed European leaders that he plans to hold a follow up trilateral meeting with Putin and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy. Will Trump be able to get both leaders to agree to a meeting and will the three-year war in Ukraine end anytime soon? Who do you trust in all of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As night Side with Dan Ray I WBZST in New Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, let's talk, and I have been in the past.
For some reason, my audience has never risen to the
Ukrainian issue. I don't understand if people don't understand what's
going on over there. But our national interest is should
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be on other side of Ukraine. There's no question about that.
Russia will always take an opportunity to take advantage of
a circumstance, as they did with Crimea, as the as
they did with a Georgia, which they did with South
A Sessia, at what they did, what they did with
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the Dombos region when they invaded Ukraine UH East and
Eastern uh Ukraine area that they have now in some
part occupied. It's been a brutal, brutal war on both
countries and it needs to come to an end. And
if it does come to an end, both countries will benefit.
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And I think that is what Donald Trump is counting
on now. For a while it appeared that Donald Trump's
sympathies were with Russia when he had that dust up,
really a horrific scene with Voldemir Zelensky in the Oval office.
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I remember Zelinsky was supposed to have lunch at the
White House. He left. It was a disaster, absolute disaster.
Now Trump seems to have switched his where applying pressure
so Zelensky. Maybe maybe Trump has come to understand Selensky.
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Maybe Trump felt that that phone call with Selinsky, which
was the the initial cause of the first amendment of
the first impeachment. I have no idea how get it
Donald Trump's head. But the question, and I want to
get into your heads, is who do you trust. I
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think that the argument that the media made that Trump
was Putin's stooge or his toady, I don't think that
was ever true. As much as I have occasionally disagreed
with initiatives by the Trump administration, I think that Trump,
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as a businessman, felt that he could persuade Putin uh
and also he would discourage Putin from any aggressive behaviors
towards any of Russia's neighbors. And during the first administration,
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Putin did nothing. He did take Crimea while Barack Obama
was in the White House. Not that we could have
turned around and invaded Crimea, but it was done under
the eyes of the Obama administration. He massed troops on
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the Ukrainian border during the winter of twenty twenty two
and twenty three, excuse me twenty one and twenty two,
and then in February of twenty two he invaded. And
the best that President Biden came up with was the
word don't. Well, that didn't persuade Putin not to invade.
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So now we have a moment in time. Donald Trump
punished Iran for years and years of their outlandish and
unlawful behavior, and Iran at this point has been somewhat neutralized.
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I think it's pretty clear that their nuclear ambitions have
been set back substantially. So what I want to know,
and this is pretty straightforward, one, do you think that
there will be a summit between Trump and Putin? I
think there will be because I think for it not
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to happen now would be a disaster. Too much discussion
has been out there, too many leaks have come out,
too many comments have been made by both sides. For
this to blow up, I think that would be really unfortunate.
I think that Putin does have an interest in ending
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the carnage. I don't think he likes Ukraine. I think
he enjoys punishing Ukraine. But I think that he feels
he can extract some commitments that Ukraine will never be
allowed to join NATO, that NATO forces would never go
on to Ukrainian territory for military exercises. There is a
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deal to be made here. But my question to you
is the first question is will they meet? And how
confident are you that between these two individuals who many
of you don't trust. Some of you out there don't
trust Putin any more than you trust Donald Trump? Is
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there a possibility that a deal could be made create
which would end the hostilities between Russia and Ukraine. I
think that there's a deal to be made. I'm an optimist.
I'm always going to look at that glass of water
and think it's half full as opposed to half empty. Now,
i'd like to hear from you. There are a lot
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of you out there who know quite a bit about
foreign policy. Please don't be shy, join the conversation. A
So I've said a couple of times in the last
few nights, this is not the Dan ratio. This is
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Feel free to step up in the porch and tell
us what you think. Is this a moment in time?
Because most great opportunities are created not necessarily by the circumstances,
but by the timing of the circumstances. And I think
it might be that both of these countries are so
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war weary that each of them would be willing to
come a little closer to the middle and settle this thing,
at least in the short term. The lines of lighting up,
which I'm gratified by, I hope you'll continue. We'll be
right back on Nightside with a whole bunch of different callers,
and I want to hear from everybody. I want to
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hear from people in New England, like to hear from
people around the country. I want to hear from men
and women. I want to hear from young and old,
because this is this is a very important conflict that
needs to be resolved and needs to be resolved quickly.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Six one seven,
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nine three one ten thirty. That's the only line that's open.
We'll come right back.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Go right to the phones. The only line open is
six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty. First up
is Mike and Brighton. Mike your thoughts going ahead, Mike,
will Trump and putin meat? And will there be any
positive results?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, before I get to that, I have a question
for you related to UH Trump and putent? Okay, Uh
did putin help Donald Trump in the twenty sixteen election?
In my opinion? Absolutely not? Yeah, right, And that and
that's actually the that was actually the big you know,
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the big news has been going on for for for
quite a while. That that you that I would think
you should have you should have covered but you haven't.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Well, let me just tell you this, Mike, I decide
what I cover. Twenty sixteen is now nine years ago.
There's a lot that's being investigated, and when there are
hearings that produce evidence. You asked me, did I think
Russia or Prutin was involved in the twenty sixteen election.
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I gave you an honest answer. But what I think
is not what's important. What is important is what information
can be produced to prove that that that question either way,
either way, you know, I'm not here like some sort
of an orracle Mike to tell to tell the world,
because I'm just frankly, you know, I'm just a guy
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who's attempting to generate genuine conversation and to give people
an opportunity to participate in a conversation. And there are
some talk show hosts who wanted who believe this, and
they believe that, and they'll tell you this, they have
no proof of what that. It's very difficult to prove
a negative, by the way, until you get, you know,
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emails between people who maybe maybe conspired to produce a
false narrative. That's why that's why Mike, I haven't talked
about that I will talk about it when time comes
for to talk about It's as simple as that. And
I don't know if you understand what I'm trying to
tell you, but that's.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
What I truly well, so ill so I will go
on now to your question. But I am going to
say that that what happened then affects what happens now.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Uh, feel free to feel free if you know we're
having a conversation. I spoke. What I do is I
let you speak if you want to say something, if
you want to amplify on what you're saying, and if
you have some proof that you want to present, that's fine.
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But the question that I'm interested in is this moment
in time. Okay, that's that's what I want to talk
about tonight. So go ahead, Mike. I'm waiting to hear
your perspective.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah. Well, first thing, you know, I heard a click,
so I thought I got cut off. That's why. Okay,
see you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Didn't get cut off, Mike. Don't don't care. Don't feel
that people are out to get you here on this program.
I allow people a broad latitude of commentary, even when
sometimes that commentary is irrelevant to what we're talking about.
Which so far in the first three minutes and four
seconds is irrelevant to what I want to talk about.
But go ahead, Mike.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I'm a patient man, Okay, I'm just gonna I'm just
gonna say briefly and then and then go on to
your question. You know your top.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Uh No, we're not if you're going to talk about
twenty sixteen, now is not the time, Mike. Okay. And
if you want to call back some night we're open
lines or when we're talking about twenty sixteen, I've wasted
three minutes out of courtesy me.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Okay, Okay, now we'll talk about your topic. I'm gonna
I'm just gonna say, though, what happened then affects the
relationship between Tump and Putin right now.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Everything that happens in the past, Mike, let me, let me.
Let me tell you something that if you haven't learned,
everything that happens in your life in some way impacts
what happens in your future. The school that you choose
not to go to, the girl that you choose not
to date, all of that affects your future. It's it's
sort of like Robert Frost, The Road Not Taken Mike,
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we're wasting time. I'm really not interested in talking philosophy.
If you want to talk about what's on the table, let's.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Go, okay, well what what's on the what's on the table. Well,
i'm you know, on your on your on your topic.
Do they do they trust each other? I would say
probably probably not. You know, uh you know and uh
you know, and you know this walk could continue continue on,
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you know, if you want my opinion that way.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Thanks for the call, Mike. I appreciate it. I am
a very frustrated talk show host right now. Six I
try to be nice to people, okay, And I don't
know why he called. If he wanted to talk about
twenty sixteen. Let me go to Kennon Waltham, Ken You
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were next a night side. Hi, Dan, I can welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I yeah, thank you. So I kind of feel so
far historically with Trump trying to negotiate with Putin would
would be the same way that I think you and
I would feel if Trump was trying to negotiate with
Hamas you know, Putin cannot be trusted at all. I
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said to you, you know, before we really knew each
other early on that I thought Trump, but he's really
negotiating is a Ukraine surrender, not a Ukraine peace deal,
and that six months from that call, I said, in
the future, I hope to call you and apologize because
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I'm wrong. But I don't think I've been wrong yet.
The only thing I'd say back to twenty sixteen, I mean,
it's like it's taken nine years for Trump to to
finally realize that maybe Putin is not someone he can,
you know, deal with the way he's been dealing with him.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And well charitable view of it, Okay, I think that
Trump is a different sort of president, okay in my opinion,
and I'm glad you brought brought it up in the
way you brought it up, because it's it's germane to
what we're talking about, other than what Mike wanted to
talk about was whatever conspiracy theories he's recently read on
bright Bart News or something. But the point is, I
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think that Trump views the world through the prism of business.
I don't think like Ronald Reagan, he views the world
in terms of the evil empire that Reagan talked about,
or even George Bush would talk about. I think that
he feels that everybody is going to do what is
in their best self interest from a business perspective, and
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I think that he probably thought that he could convince
Putin that, you know, come on over to the side
of capitalism, but he didn't understand that Putin is a
is a KGB idelogue at his core. So I think
you're rops have back then was right. But I also
think that at this point Trump realizes that Putin played him,
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always trying to play him, and I think that he
is going to in order to get a deal here. Uh,
He's got to put pressure on Putin and those are
the sanctions that he has on his side of the table,
which maybe maybe will will help resolve this situation. That's
that's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I hope you're right. I think you know the problem
if if there were if peace was negotiated. Now Ukraine
possesses twenty percent I'm sorry, Russia controls twenty percent of Ukraine.
It would be the equivalent of Russia controlled all the
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Eastern states from Maine to Florida. I think if that
were the case, we would not stop fighting. And I
think Trump has to get you know, Ukraine's perspective. I
think they're still willing to fight, and I think that's
you know, that's Ukraine's decision. I think we should support them,
just like Trump is supporting Israel in the same way
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it's one hundred percent for Israel, it should be one
hundred percent for Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, I think that with with Israel, I don't think
there's any real negotiation with Hamas. Hamas has made it
pretty clear that their goal is the obliteration of Israel,
the destruction of the Israeli state. And I think that
the Middle East now has an opportunity moment in time.
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It may not come abye by again in our lifetime.
With Putin and Ukraine, these these are it's a little
more complicated. And I'm not criticizing Ukraine, but you have
that Dombas region that really is Russian ethnic Uh. And
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given a choice between if those people in the in
the Dawnbos region would prefer to be Russian, I mean overwhelmingly,
maybe to stop what I think would eventually be the
death of millions of people might not be the worst thing.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Sometimes borders are uh redrawn. How do you, I mean,
how long do you expect Ukraine to fight? And and
and what can we do to back Russia? Off. I mean,
should should we put US troops on the ground to
help Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I don't think we can do that. Absolutely not. No,
it's the same. We support Ukraine as long as we
supported Afghanistan, and eventually Russia left. I really think that's
the only answer.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I you know, but but but but Afghanistan to Russia,
Afghanistan is less than Ukraine. That's the problem. That's the problem,
you know. I think Russia can live without Poland. I
think they can even live without the Baltic States. They're
gonna have to because those are all members of NATO.
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But they look at Ukraine as as now. We shouldn't
concede Ukraine. I'm not suggesting that, and I don't think
Trump could do that because but he's this is intractable
and it's difficult. But I sure hope somehow there can
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be an agreement here. I don't think Ukraine's ever going
to get Crimea back. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I think that's that's probably true. Yeah, because I think
the way this will end is Russia leaves and stops attacking.
They'll stay in Formia and Ukraine isn't gonna, you know,
try and take Cromia back. So I do think that's correct.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It's it is. It's a tough one. Let me tell you, if, if,
if somehow Trump can convince Putin and Zelensky, who hate
one another, who hate one another, to end the hostilities
because it's in their own best interests in some form
or fashion, he should get the Nobelt piece price.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, I so, I yeah, I mean, right now, I
think I'd give Trump the Nobel surrender price because it
just feels like that's what he's trying to get Ukraine
to do every day.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He didn't surrender on Israel, and he didn't surrender on Iran.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I want you know, I supported the strike in Iran,
and I'm supporting Trump on Israel. I want him to
do the same. And I just every every last point
I'll make a quickly as I can.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But he you know, he can't hit Moscow. He can't
hit Moscow with US missiles, you understand. I mean, there's
there's a difference. He's gotta be a little careful here too.
I mean, we're dealing with it every day. This goes on.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Every day this goes on, Russia gets weaker. And that's
not a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I agree with that. I mean, yeah, and if you've
got to go to sanctions, go to sanctions. Ken, I'm
way past by break here. Rob's gonna scream at me
in a moment, and rightfully so thanksful time, Thank you
very much, Thanks for getting asked back on track. I
hope Mike enjoyed our conversation. Let me take a break.
Here comes the news. We'll be right back. Stay there.
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Got one line at six months seven, thirty one line
at six months seven. I want to know what you
think about this. Okay, and Ken obviously has a very
different point of view, but I want to hear from you.
We'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You're on night side on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, well look at me some quick conversation here. Let's
pick it up. Paul in Pennsylvania, hate Paul, What what
do you expect? Do you think Putin and Trump will meet?
And what do you think might come of it? If anything?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Yeah, Dahn, thanks for taking my call. I think that
I think you owe me what Potland He hasn't I
think talked to him with face to face of yours.
He's met with Selenski a few times since he got
in office, and he brought up something that I never
even thought of. When Trump got in peached the first
time over that call a Selensky and that vindom and
I think his name was you a dull citizen from Ukraine,
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and he said that Trump was extorting them all this
stuff and you got acted to the public Office of Virginia.
If I'm not mistaken. I think Trump has animosity towards
filiphy towards that, but he doesn't freak anything that's done
to him. But I think you owe me Potland. I
think eventually all three of them will get together.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, if they get together, that would be a very
good sign. Again, these guys hate each other. I mean,
the hatred is is visceral, it's personal. I mean the
hatred between you know, the net Yahoo government and Hamas,
that's historic, that goes back, you know, a long long time.
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But the thing between Putin and Zelensky is really nasty. Putin.
Putin will only uh agree if if the alternative that
he's going to face is worse, and that would be
the sanctions that we might be able to put on
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him and there and I think I think Trump's as
long as it's not military. I think Trump is ready
to put the the economic handcuffs on Putin and let
him deal with it.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree with you, Dad, And I just want
to say it made my night. On the newsclip you
just had, they talked about our rats are in Boston.
I said, who's it going to be, John Deane, I'll
let you God, thanks for thinking to make cal all right.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, well we need a rad Zara in Boston. We
got a lot of rats that Nita zar Hagabaul and
that was good. Let's go to Patrick in DC. Hey, Patrick,
next on Nightside. What do you think, buddy?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Well, you know, this is a difficult situation. As you say,
it is complicated, It is very complicated. But if I
was to mix in together the European position as the
Western position with the American position, so the American position
I'm stating here would be all over the West. The
American position must put Kuton in a check Nate position.
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Other than that, he's not gonna Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So you're pessimistic then, because the economic sanctions would hurt.
But you know, I don't want to see us firing
off any big rockets. We can't do that. We can't
do it. NATO can't do it because it would lead
inexorably towards something that would be frightful.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Frightful of course, of course that is not the checkmate
position that I'm referring to. But we have waited too
long to check who in Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So what should have we done? In your in your opinion?
And by the way, speak right into that mouthpiece, Patrick,
I want to hear every word. Are you going to say?
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Did I lose it a little bit?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
A little bit? Yeah, I'm feeling like that. Maybe the
mouthpiece on your phone kind of went a little bit
like this. If you know what I'm saying, I want
you to speak right into it.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Go ahead, Okay, I'll hold it up in the thank you. Specifically,
what goes back to the American position with the Obamas
with Crimea, it's it specifically goes here that you're not
holding the line with the Russian separatists that were in
Ukraine to shoot down the air airlines. We just never
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and there's some things that I should not say because
I'm not, you know, in the National Security Agency or
the National Security count meetings. But they still have not
taken a stranglehold out away from Putin. Putin has a
better stranglehold on Ukraine and we haven't begun to take
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that away.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, he has a bigger country, is a bigger army.
He has the equivalent of Hessian troops having come in
from North Korea and I think China at this point.
But the devastation that he has endured has been massive.
I mean, he's lost a lot of people. Ukraine has
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lost a lot of civilians and some military. But I
bet you that there's been more Russian military who have
died than Ukraine and Ukrainian military.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
I don't put a human face on Putin. I don't
think he cares to tell you the truth what he
loses as long as he gained. You know the old
Russian saying the end that justifies the means. And this
is communism, this is real, real comedies.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh No, he's a KGB guy to the core, and
no matter what you got to do with him, you
got you might trust him, but you've got to verify. Uh. Look,
this this is an incredible opportunity for the Trump administration
to to assert themselves on the national stage. He has
he's had some victories recently. Uh, and he's using economic power.
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He's not using military power, He's using economic power. He's
using the threat of military power when Medvedev made those
comments the other day, and he's moved some submarines around,
some nuclear submarines.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
But to wrap up, to help you wrap up, here's
here's an interesting point. Everything that the Russians have taken
in Ukraine is unusable. It's full of minds, it's trashed,
it's it's gossam. You know, they've ruined it, so you
might as well let him have it because it's so
good to them.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Either.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Interesting observation. There's probably mind in both directions, actually, now
that I think of it, in the you're talking about
in the east, the Donbas region, et cetera. Well, it's okay.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I appreciate it though, So you got to move on
and make you ready to hear your voice in good
to speak with you.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, don't be a stranger. Thanks, I love your calls. Man,
talk to you soon, Patrick and DC. We got one
line at six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty,
and we got one line at seventy six one seven,
nine three one thirty. I am more than happy to
continue this into the next hour, but I need you
to be willing to pay to play talk show with me.
And if if this is above your pay grade and
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it doesn't interest you, and we'll move on to something else.
I hope. I think there's going to be the big
story of next week. Now, maybe it will fizzle and
there will be no meeting, But I do believe this
is the big story of next week. And you know,
on night Side, I always like my audience to be
ahead of the curve. We're coming back on night Side.
The only line right now is six one, seven thirty
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coming back right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's Night's Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Let's go to Cambridge. Susan, where have you been? I
missed you? How are you, Susan?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Enjoying the summer or trying to?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
So? What do you think? Do you think? First? Do
you think the meeting a summit? It'll be they'll call
it a summit. Trusting do you think that will be
pulled off?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
For well?
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Because I think they're I think they're both up for
the show, Okay, But I think that I think that
this is just another delay tactic by Putin. He's been
string stringing Trump along, and Trump seems to be kind
of aware of it that he is being strung strung
along at least, you know, according to some of the
comments he's made.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Do you think do you think he enjoys being strung along?
Speaker 8 (29:55):
I don't, But I also think he doesn't have a
whole lot of leverage. I mean, he's even said that
these sanctions you know, most likely won't have, you know,
a huge effect, because as he said, you know, the
Russians are wildly and they've evaded them, you know, so far.
So he doesn't even sound you know, he's kind of
covering himself there. He doesn't sound that confident to me.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Well, he's also raised his tariffs in which is a
form of sanctions on India, which in yeah, Russian oil,
and so there's sort of like almost like a secondary
set of impacts.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Yeah, that's an interesting situation. I don't know, you know,
we'll see how that all plays out.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, Modi is supposed to be a big friend of
the United States, but it would seem to me that
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a tough one because I mean we've
been we've been kind of budding up to India as
a way to you know, confront China, you know, and
so if we if we suddenly cut India loose, then
you know, what are the ramifications with China? It's all
you know, all these pieces.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You know, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You
may disagree, but you understand that there's there's levels here.
This is really sophisticated stuff. And I'm there. I've had
a bunch of good calls here tonight.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
And yeah to your last caller Mike pointing out that
you know, they've trashed so much. I mean this, you know,
a good part of Ukraine has still been not too touched,
but the parts that Russia has been and they've just
completely you know, demolished, and it's so sad because it's
such a you know, such a beautiful country, bread basket
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of Europe, you know. And one thing I did want.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
To know that's I haven't heard that nickname in a while,
but that is absolutely true.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Right. So, remember when I was a bit skeptical about
the the rare earth steel and providing some security for Ukraine.
Did you note that last month that Russia took hold
of a major lithium field in Ukraine and hasn't been
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any response from the US.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Okay, took hold meaning militarily.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Or yeah, yeah, So they're in charge of it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, okay, well that's that's something that I'm sure should
be on the table for for President Trump. I was
not aware of that. Thank you very much for letting
me know that.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Late June was when that happened. It was late June
when that happened.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I think that. I don't know if there's anything
we could have done to have defended that, but certainly
Putin ignored, ignored that admonition.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
So right, he's just I just think he's going to
do you know, he's going to do what he wants
months and it's it's a tough one because unfortunately, yeah,
he's lost, you know, he's lost a ton of soldiers,
but he has a lot more, a lot more than
Ukraine has, you.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Know, right knowing to say that, but remember, and someone
mentioned it earlier that the public opinion in Russia did
finally swing against them on Afghanistan. Now, I know Ukraine
is considered you know, much more of within their hemison,
which in their right, their area of influence. But that
(33:35):
could turn, that could turn against him as well, and he's, uh,
well we'll see.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It's so interesting that he you know that that you know,
Russia seems to act as though they can't live without Ukraine,
and yet throughout history all they've done is murder Ukrainians.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, there was a point in time when Ukraine was
part of the Soviet Socialists for public.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
For a long time forcibly so no, no.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
No, absolutely, but you know they they still they ran
the show and Putin always would would love to get
He said, it was the worst tragedy of the twentieth century,
the disillusion of the Soviet Union. That shows you where
his head is. Susan, I love your calls. You got
to call more off and I enjoyed tonight's conversation immensely.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Let me go to John and Boston. John, I'm going
to get you in one more in. If I can't,
here's well wrapped the hour, Go ahead, John, okay. If
John isn't ready, we'll put John on hold. We'll see
where John is. In the meantime, I'm going to go
to Gregory in Dorchester. Greg you are next on nightside.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Your thoughts, Hi, Dan, thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
He took some words out of my mouth. I mean
Putin is a KGB agent, you know, And I think
he was fooling around. But Trump, they're testing him out,
and I think he was a little bit smarter than him. Harry,
you thought he was anyway. But I think, like you said,
(34:58):
I think Trump has in his mind. I think.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know who has an advantage of the Trump in
then in that there's no loyal opposition in in Russia. Uh,
there's no one out there who's who's threatening him. Trump
has to worry about people here domestically who don't like
him for a number of valid reasons. Uh. So you know,
(35:25):
from a from a domestic point of view, Putin always
is going to have a stronger hand to play.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But by cam, the former Secretary of State, said, one time,
might POMPEII there, he says, go over and see Putin
and tell me going to drill at cans a while
here and again in the States, and he won't be
able to sell one gallon a while and he's cornered.
That's the only way you can stop him attic you know.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
But again you have you have a bunch of people
in this country who don't see that advantage that that
you just articulated, and they would prefer to make sure
that there's no drilling done on the North Bank or
the or the Gulf of America formerly the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, I hope there's I hope. I mean the snow
letters saying is saying sticks some stones will break your bones,
but talkson never harmed you. So I hope there's some
piece there, but hasn't hasn't, hasn't yelled President Trump has
made some Kendal Greenham so Zany already in minerals over
(36:28):
there in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
There's something basically, yeah, that's part of it is there's
this uh you know, uh special Stusan was referring to it.
But she just told me that also that that there
was a field that the Russians took over and tried
to explain to Zelinski. I think he did that this
(36:49):
was good insurance for for Ukraine. Now I don't know
what what card Trump thought he could play. He couldn't
send me eighty second airborne.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Division in we we don't want that.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
No, no, no, no no, it's very and Putin's wat
enough to understand we don't want. I don't think Trump
wants that. I mean, I think Trump sees likes the
good life, and and and he has grandchildren. And I
hope that Putin sees the same way. I don't want
to end up in a in a nuclear war with
Russia over this.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Well, I'll say one thing down, and if Trump was president,
Putin would have never invaded you.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, because I think I think Putin looks at Trumps
a wild card, and that's probably a good.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
But I still think he was a way stronger president.
He's a way stronger president than.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Biden was, I think.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Don't get me wrong. No, No, he was a little
bit too old like myself to be president.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So yeah, well, Trump's pretty close in age, but Trump
is in a difference. He's he's he's probably he's a
much better shape mentally and physically than Joe. I felt
badly for Biden today. I saw a report that he
was like in a ice cream parl or something. Anyway, Hey, Greg,
hate to do this to you, but Rob just reminded me.
(38:13):
Here comes the eleven o'clock news. We'll talk soon, my friend. Okay,
be well, all right, Greg, right back at you. Here
comes the eleven back after that,
As night Side with Dan Ray I WBZST in New Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, let's talk, and I have been in the past.
For some reason, my audience has never risen to the
Ukrainian issue. I don't understand if people don't understand what's
going on over there. But our national interest is should
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be on other side of Ukraine. There's no question about that.
Russia will always take an opportunity to take advantage of
a circumstance, as they did with Crimea, as the as
they did with a Georgia, which they did with South
A Sessia, at what they did, what they did with
(00:54):
the Dombos region when they invaded Ukraine UH East and
Eastern uh Ukraine area that they have now in some
part occupied. It's been a brutal, brutal war on both
countries and it needs to come to an end. And
if it does come to an end, both countries will benefit.
(01:17):
And I think that is what Donald Trump is counting
on now. For a while it appeared that Donald Trump's
sympathies were with Russia when he had that dust up,
really a horrific scene with Voldemir Zelensky in the Oval office.
(01:44):
I remember Zelinsky was supposed to have lunch at the
White House. He left. It was a disaster, absolute disaster.
Now Trump seems to have switched his where applying pressure
so Zelensky. Maybe maybe Trump has come to understand Selensky.
(02:07):
Maybe Trump felt that that phone call with Selinsky, which
was the the initial cause of the first amendment of
the first impeachment. I have no idea how get it
Donald Trump's head. But the question, and I want to
get into your heads, is who do you trust. I
(02:29):
think that the argument that the media made that Trump
was Putin's stooge or his toady, I don't think that
was ever true. As much as I have occasionally disagreed
with initiatives by the Trump administration, I think that Trump,
(02:52):
as a businessman, felt that he could persuade Putin uh
and also he would discourage Putin from any aggressive behaviors
towards any of Russia's neighbors. And during the first administration,
(03:13):
Putin did nothing. He did take Crimea while Barack Obama
was in the White House. Not that we could have
turned around and invaded Crimea, but it was done under
the eyes of the Obama administration. He massed troops on
(03:35):
the Ukrainian border during the winter of twenty twenty two
and twenty three, excuse me twenty one and twenty two,
and then in February of twenty two he invaded. And
the best that President Biden came up with was the
word don't. Well, that didn't persuade Putin not to invade.
(04:06):
So now we have a moment in time. Donald Trump
punished Iran for years and years of their outlandish and
unlawful behavior, and Iran at this point has been somewhat neutralized.
(04:29):
I think it's pretty clear that their nuclear ambitions have
been set back substantially. So what I want to know,
and this is pretty straightforward, one, do you think that
there will be a summit between Trump and Putin? I
think there will be because I think for it not
(04:53):
to happen now would be a disaster. Too much discussion
has been out there, too many leaks have come out,
too many comments have been made by both sides. For
this to blow up, I think that would be really unfortunate.
I think that Putin does have an interest in ending
(05:13):
the carnage. I don't think he likes Ukraine. I think
he enjoys punishing Ukraine. But I think that he feels
he can extract some commitments that Ukraine will never be
allowed to join NATO, that NATO forces would never go
on to Ukrainian territory for military exercises. There is a
(05:34):
deal to be made here. But my question to you
is the first question is will they meet? And how
confident are you that between these two individuals who many
of you don't trust. Some of you out there don't
trust Putin any more than you trust Donald Trump? Is
(05:56):
there a possibility that a deal could be made create
which would end the hostilities between Russia and Ukraine. I
think that there's a deal to be made. I'm an optimist.
I'm always going to look at that glass of water
and think it's half full as opposed to half empty. Now,
i'd like to hear from you. There are a lot
(06:17):
of you out there who know quite a bit about
foreign policy. Please don't be shy, join the conversation. A
So I've said a couple of times in the last
few nights, this is not the Dan ratio. This is
a show in which I'm the host. It's called Nightside
with Dan Ray, and I try to find topics that
(06:37):
people might be interested in discussing and might be interested
in providing their own opinions opining if you will, here
are the numbers six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, six, seven, nine, three, one,
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(06:58):
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(07:20):
Feel free to step up in the porch and tell
us what you think. Is this a moment in time?
Because most great opportunities are created not necessarily by the circumstances,
but by the timing of the circumstances. And I think
it might be that both of these countries are so
(07:41):
war weary that each of them would be willing to
come a little closer to the middle and settle this thing,
at least in the short term. The lines of lighting up,
which I'm gratified by, I hope you'll continue. We'll be
right back on Nightside with a whole bunch of different callers,
and I want to hear from everybody. I want to
(08:02):
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people around the country. I want to hear from men
and women. I want to hear from young and old,
because this is this is a very important conflict that
needs to be resolved and needs to be resolved quickly.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Six one seven,
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nine three one ten thirty. That's the only line that's open.
We'll come right back.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Go right to the phones. The only line open is
six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty. First up
is Mike and Brighton. Mike your thoughts going ahead, Mike,
will Trump and putin meat? And will there be any
positive results?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, before I get to that, I have a question
for you related to UH Trump and putent? Okay, Uh
did putin help Donald Trump in the twenty sixteen election?
In my opinion? Absolutely not? Yeah, right, And that and
that's actually the that was actually the big you know,
(09:11):
the big news has been going on for for for
quite a while. That that you that I would think
you should have you should have covered but you haven't.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Well, let me just tell you this, Mike, I decide
what I cover. Twenty sixteen is now nine years ago.
There's a lot that's being investigated, and when there are
hearings that produce evidence. You asked me, did I think
Russia or Prutin was involved in the twenty sixteen election.
(09:42):
I gave you an honest answer. But what I think
is not what's important. What is important is what information
can be produced to prove that that that question either way,
either way, you know, I'm not here like some sort
of an orracle Mike to tell to tell the world,
because I'm just frankly, you know, I'm just a guy
(10:05):
who's attempting to generate genuine conversation and to give people
an opportunity to participate in a conversation. And there are
some talk show hosts who wanted who believe this, and
they believe that, and they'll tell you this, they have
no proof of what that. It's very difficult to prove
a negative, by the way, until you get, you know,
(10:27):
emails between people who maybe maybe conspired to produce a
false narrative. That's why that's why Mike, I haven't talked
about that I will talk about it when time comes
for to talk about It's as simple as that. And
I don't know if you understand what I'm trying to
tell you, but that's.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
What I truly well, so ill so I will go
on now to your question. But I am going to
say that that what happened then affects what happens now.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Uh, feel free to feel free if you know we're
having a conversation. I spoke. What I do is I
let you speak if you want to say something, if
you want to amplify on what you're saying, and if
you have some proof that you want to present, that's fine.
(11:19):
But the question that I'm interested in is this moment
in time. Okay, that's that's what I want to talk
about tonight. So go ahead, Mike. I'm waiting to hear
your perspective.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah. Well, first thing, you know, I heard a click,
so I thought I got cut off. That's why. Okay,
see you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Didn't get cut off, Mike. Don't don't care. Don't feel
that people are out to get you here on this program.
I allow people a broad latitude of commentary, even when
sometimes that commentary is irrelevant to what we're talking about.
Which so far in the first three minutes and four
seconds is irrelevant to what I want to talk about.
But go ahead, Mike.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I'm a patient man, Okay, I'm just gonna I'm just
gonna say briefly and then and then go on to
your question. You know your top.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Uh No, we're not if you're going to talk about
twenty sixteen, now is not the time, Mike. Okay. And
if you want to call back some night we're open
lines or when we're talking about twenty sixteen, I've wasted
three minutes out of courtesy me.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Okay, Okay, now we'll talk about your topic. I'm gonna
I'm just gonna say, though, what happened then affects the
relationship between Tump and Putin right now.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Everything that happens in the past, Mike, let me, let me.
Let me tell you something that if you haven't learned,
everything that happens in your life in some way impacts
what happens in your future. The school that you choose
not to go to, the girl that you choose not
to date, all of that affects your future. It's it's
sort of like Robert Frost, The Road Not Taken Mike,
(12:51):
we're wasting time. I'm really not interested in talking philosophy.
If you want to talk about what's on the table, let's.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Go, okay, well what what's on the what's on the table. Well,
i'm you know, on your on your on your topic.
Do they do they trust each other? I would say
probably probably not. You know, uh you know and uh
you know, and you know this walk could continue continue on,
(13:22):
you know, if you want my opinion that way.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Thanks for the call, Mike. I appreciate it. I am
a very frustrated talk show host right now. Six I
try to be nice to people, okay, And I don't
know why he called. If he wanted to talk about
twenty sixteen. Let me go to Kennon Waltham, Ken You
(13:49):
were next a night side. Hi, Dan, I can welcome.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I yeah, thank you. So I kind of feel so
far historically with Trump trying to negotiate with Putin would
would be the same way that I think you and
I would feel if Trump was trying to negotiate with
Hamas you know, Putin cannot be trusted at all. I
(14:17):
said to you, you know, before we really knew each
other early on that I thought Trump, but he's really
negotiating is a Ukraine surrender, not a Ukraine peace deal,
and that six months from that call, I said, in
the future, I hope to call you and apologize because
(14:39):
I'm wrong. But I don't think I've been wrong yet.
The only thing I'd say back to twenty sixteen, I mean,
it's like it's taken nine years for Trump to to
finally realize that maybe Putin is not someone he can,
you know, deal with the way he's been dealing with him.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
And well charitable view of it, Okay, I think that
Trump is a different sort of president, okay in my opinion,
and I'm glad you brought brought it up in the
way you brought it up, because it's it's germane to
what we're talking about, other than what Mike wanted to
talk about was whatever conspiracy theories he's recently read on
bright Bart News or something. But the point is, I
(15:21):
think that Trump views the world through the prism of business.
I don't think like Ronald Reagan, he views the world
in terms of the evil empire that Reagan talked about,
or even George Bush would talk about. I think that
he feels that everybody is going to do what is
in their best self interest from a business perspective, and
(15:45):
I think that he probably thought that he could convince
Putin that, you know, come on over to the side
of capitalism, but he didn't understand that Putin is a
is a KGB idelogue at his core. So I think
you're rops have back then was right. But I also
think that at this point Trump realizes that Putin played him,
(16:08):
always trying to play him, and I think that he
is going to in order to get a deal here. Uh,
He's got to put pressure on Putin and those are
the sanctions that he has on his side of the table,
which maybe maybe will will help resolve this situation. That's
that's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I hope you're right. I think you know the problem
if if there were if peace was negotiated. Now Ukraine
possesses twenty percent I'm sorry, Russia controls twenty percent of Ukraine.
It would be the equivalent of Russia controlled all the
(16:50):
Eastern states from Maine to Florida. I think if that
were the case, we would not stop fighting. And I
think Trump has to get you know, Ukraine's perspective. I
think they're still willing to fight, and I think that's
you know, that's Ukraine's decision. I think we should support them,
just like Trump is supporting Israel in the same way
(17:12):
it's one hundred percent for Israel, it should be one
hundred percent for Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well, I think that with with Israel, I don't think
there's any real negotiation with Hamas. Hamas has made it
pretty clear that their goal is the obliteration of Israel,
the destruction of the Israeli state. And I think that
the Middle East now has an opportunity moment in time.
(17:38):
It may not come abye by again in our lifetime.
With Putin and Ukraine, these these are it's a little
more complicated. And I'm not criticizing Ukraine, but you have
that Dombas region that really is Russian ethnic Uh. And
(18:02):
given a choice between if those people in the in
the Dawnbos region would prefer to be Russian, I mean overwhelmingly,
maybe to stop what I think would eventually be the
death of millions of people might not be the worst thing.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Sometimes borders are uh redrawn. How do you, I mean,
how long do you expect Ukraine to fight? And and
and what can we do to back Russia? Off. I mean,
should should we put US troops on the ground to
help Ukraine.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I don't think we can do that. Absolutely not. No,
it's the same. We support Ukraine as long as we
supported Afghanistan, and eventually Russia left. I really think that's
the only answer.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
I you know, but but but but Afghanistan to Russia,
Afghanistan is less than Ukraine. That's the problem. That's the problem,
you know. I think Russia can live without Poland. I
think they can even live without the Baltic States. They're
gonna have to because those are all members of NATO.
(19:15):
But they look at Ukraine as as now. We shouldn't
concede Ukraine. I'm not suggesting that, and I don't think
Trump could do that because but he's this is intractable
and it's difficult. But I sure hope somehow there can
(19:35):
be an agreement here. I don't think Ukraine's ever going
to get Crimea back. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I think that's that's probably true. Yeah, because I think
the way this will end is Russia leaves and stops attacking.
They'll stay in Formia and Ukraine isn't gonna, you know,
try and take Cromia back. So I do think that's correct.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
But.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
It's it is. It's a tough one. Let me tell you, if, if,
if somehow Trump can convince Putin and Zelensky, who hate
one another, who hate one another, to end the hostilities
because it's in their own best interests in some form
or fashion, he should get the Nobelt piece price.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, I so, I yeah, I mean, right now, I
think I'd give Trump the Nobel surrender price because it
just feels like that's what he's trying to get Ukraine
to do every day.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
He didn't surrender on Israel, and he didn't surrender on Iran.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Right.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
I want you know, I supported the strike in Iran,
and I'm supporting Trump on Israel. I want him to
do the same. And I just every every last point
I'll make a quickly as I can.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
But he you know, he can't hit Moscow. He can't
hit Moscow with US missiles, you understand. I mean, there's
there's a difference. He's gotta be a little careful here too.
I mean, we're dealing with it every day. This goes on.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Every day this goes on, Russia gets weaker. And that's
not a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I agree with that. I mean, yeah, and if you've
got to go to sanctions, go to sanctions. Ken, I'm
way past by break here. Rob's gonna scream at me
in a moment, and rightfully so thanksful time, Thank you
very much, Thanks for getting asked back on track. I
hope Mike enjoyed our conversation. Let me take a break.
Here comes the news. We'll be right back. Stay there.
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Got one line at six months seven, thirty one line
at six months seven. I want to know what you
think about this. Okay, and Ken obviously has a very
different point of view, but I want to hear from you.
We'll be back after this.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You're on night side on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Okay, well look at me some quick conversation here. Let's
pick it up. Paul in Pennsylvania, hate Paul, What what
do you expect? Do you think Putin and Trump will meet?
And what do you think might come of it? If anything?
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Yeah, Dahn, thanks for taking my call. I think that
I think you owe me what Potland He hasn't I
think talked to him with face to face of yours.
He's met with Selenski a few times since he got
in office, and he brought up something that I never
even thought of. When Trump got in peached the first
time over that call a Selensky and that vindom and
I think his name was you a dull citizen from Ukraine,
(22:34):
and he said that Trump was extorting them all this
stuff and you got acted to the public Office of Virginia.
If I'm not mistaken. I think Trump has animosity towards
filiphy towards that, but he doesn't freak anything that's done
to him. But I think you owe me Potland. I
think eventually all three of them will get together.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, if they get together, that would be a very
good sign. Again, these guys hate each other. I mean,
the hatred is is visceral, it's personal. I mean the
hatred between you know, the net Yahoo government and Hamas,
that's historic, that goes back, you know, a long long time.
(23:13):
But the thing between Putin and Zelensky is really nasty. Putin.
Putin will only uh agree if if the alternative that
he's going to face is worse, and that would be
the sanctions that we might be able to put on
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him and there and I think I think Trump's as
long as it's not military. I think Trump is ready
to put the the economic handcuffs on Putin and let
him deal with it.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yeah, I agree with you, Dad, And I just want
to say it made my night. On the newsclip you
just had, they talked about our rats are in Boston.
I said, who's it going to be, John Deane, I'll
let you God, thanks for thinking to make cal all right.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, well we need a rad Zara in Boston. We
got a lot of rats that Nita zar Hagabaul and
that was good. Let's go to Patrick in DC. Hey, Patrick,
next on Nightside. What do you think, buddy?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
Well, you know, this is a difficult situation. As you say,
it is complicated, It is very complicated. But if I
was to mix in together the European position as the
Western position with the American position, so the American position
I'm stating here would be all over the West. The
American position must put Kuton in a check Nate position.
(24:36):
Other than that, he's not gonna Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So you're pessimistic then, because the economic sanctions would hurt.
But you know, I don't want to see us firing
off any big rockets. We can't do that. We can't
do it. NATO can't do it because it would lead
inexorably towards something that would be frightful.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Frightful of course, of course that is not the checkmate
position that I'm referring to. But we have waited too
long to check who in Ukraine?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So what should have we done? In your in your opinion?
And by the way, speak right into that mouthpiece, Patrick,
I want to hear every word. Are you going to say?
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Did I lose it a little bit?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
A little bit? Yeah, I'm feeling like that. Maybe the
mouthpiece on your phone kind of went a little bit
like this. If you know what I'm saying, I want
you to speak right into it.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
Go ahead, Okay, I'll hold it up in the thank you. Specifically,
what goes back to the American position with the Obamas
with Crimea, it's it specifically goes here that you're not
holding the line with the Russian separatists that were in
Ukraine to shoot down the air airlines. We just never
(25:52):
and there's some things that I should not say because
I'm not, you know, in the National Security Agency or
the National Security count meetings. But they still have not
taken a stranglehold out away from Putin. Putin has a
better stranglehold on Ukraine and we haven't begun to take
(26:13):
that away.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, he has a bigger country, is a bigger army.
He has the equivalent of Hessian troops having come in
from North Korea and I think China at this point.
But the devastation that he has endured has been massive.
I mean, he's lost a lot of people. Ukraine has
(26:35):
lost a lot of civilians and some military. But I
bet you that there's been more Russian military who have
died than Ukraine and Ukrainian military.
Speaker 7 (26:45):
I don't put a human face on Putin. I don't
think he cares to tell you the truth what he
loses as long as he gained. You know the old
Russian saying the end that justifies the means. And this
is communism, this is real, real comedies.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Oh No, he's a KGB guy to the core, and
no matter what you got to do with him, you
got you might trust him, but you've got to verify. Uh. Look,
this this is an incredible opportunity for the Trump administration
to to assert themselves on the national stage. He has
he's had some victories recently. Uh, and he's using economic power.
(27:26):
He's not using military power, He's using economic power. He's
using the threat of military power when Medvedev made those
comments the other day, and he's moved some submarines around,
some nuclear submarines.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
But to wrap up, to help you wrap up, here's
here's an interesting point. Everything that the Russians have taken
in Ukraine is unusable. It's full of minds, it's trashed,
it's it's gossam. You know, they've ruined it, so you
might as well let him have it because it's so
good to them.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Either.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Interesting observation. There's probably mind in both directions, actually, now
that I think of it, in the you're talking about
in the east, the Donbas region, et cetera. Well, it's okay.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
I appreciate it though, So you got to move on
and make you ready to hear your voice in good
to speak with you.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, don't be a stranger. Thanks, I love your calls. Man,
talk to you soon, Patrick and DC. We got one
line at six one seven, two, five, four to ten thirty,
and we got one line at seventy six one seven,
nine three one thirty. I am more than happy to
continue this into the next hour, but I need you
to be willing to pay to play talk show with me.
And if if this is above your pay grade and
(28:41):
it doesn't interest you, and we'll move on to something else.
I hope. I think there's going to be the big
story of next week. Now, maybe it will fizzle and
there will be no meeting, But I do believe this
is the big story of next week. And you know,
on night Side, I always like my audience to be
ahead of the curve. We're coming back on night Side.
The only line right now is six one, seven thirty
(29:03):
coming back right after this.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
It's Night's Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Let's go to Cambridge. Susan, where have you been? I
missed you? How are you, Susan?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Enjoying the summer or trying to?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
So? What do you think? Do you think? First? Do
you think the meeting a summit? It'll be they'll call
it a summit. Trusting do you think that will be
pulled off?
Speaker 5 (29:31):
For well?
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Because I think they're I think they're both up for
the show, Okay, But I think that I think that
this is just another delay tactic by Putin. He's been
string stringing Trump along, and Trump seems to be kind
of aware of it that he is being strung strung
along at least, you know, according to some of the
comments he's made.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Do you think do you think he enjoys being strung along?
Speaker 8 (29:55):
I don't, But I also think he doesn't have a
whole lot of leverage. I mean, he's even said that
these sanctions you know, most likely won't have, you know,
a huge effect, because as he said, you know, the
Russians are wildly and they've evaded them, you know, so far.
So he doesn't even sound you know, he's kind of
covering himself there. He doesn't sound that confident to me.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Well, he's also raised his tariffs in which is a
form of sanctions on India, which in yeah, Russian oil,
and so there's sort of like almost like a secondary
set of impacts.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
Yeah, that's an interesting situation. I don't know, you know,
we'll see how that all plays out.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, Modi is supposed to be a big friend of
the United States, but it would seem to me that
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Yeah, Yeah, it's a tough one because I mean we've
been we've been kind of budding up to India as
a way to you know, confront China, you know, and
so if we if we suddenly cut India loose, then
you know, what are the ramifications with China? It's all
you know, all these pieces.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You know, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You
may disagree, but you understand that there's there's levels here.
This is really sophisticated stuff. And I'm there. I've had
a bunch of good calls here tonight.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
And yeah to your last caller Mike pointing out that
you know, they've trashed so much. I mean this, you know,
a good part of Ukraine has still been not too touched,
but the parts that Russia has been and they've just
completely you know, demolished, and it's so sad because it's
such a you know, such a beautiful country, bread basket
(31:43):
of Europe, you know. And one thing I did want.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
To know that's I haven't heard that nickname in a while,
but that is absolutely true.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Right. So, remember when I was a bit skeptical about
the the rare earth steel and providing some security for Ukraine.
Did you note that last month that Russia took hold
of a major lithium field in Ukraine and hasn't been
(32:17):
any response from the US.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Okay, took hold meaning militarily.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Or yeah, yeah, So they're in charge of it.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, okay, well that's that's something that I'm sure should
be on the table for for President Trump. I was
not aware of that. Thank you very much for letting
me know that.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Late June was when that happened. It was late June
when that happened.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah, I think that. I don't know if there's anything
we could have done to have defended that, but certainly
Putin ignored, ignored that admonition.
Speaker 8 (32:54):
So right, he's just I just think he's going to
do you know, he's going to do what he wants
months and it's it's a tough one because unfortunately, yeah,
he's lost, you know, he's lost a ton of soldiers,
but he has a lot more, a lot more than
Ukraine has, you.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Know, right knowing to say that, but remember, and someone
mentioned it earlier that the public opinion in Russia did
finally swing against them on Afghanistan. Now, I know Ukraine
is considered you know, much more of within their hemison,
which in their right, their area of influence. But that
(33:35):
could turn, that could turn against him as well, and he's, uh,
well we'll see.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
It's so interesting that he you know that that you know,
Russia seems to act as though they can't live without Ukraine,
and yet throughout history all they've done is murder Ukrainians.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, there was a point in time when Ukraine was
part of the Soviet Socialists for public.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
For a long time forcibly so no, no.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
No, absolutely, but you know they they still they ran
the show and Putin always would would love to get
He said, it was the worst tragedy of the twentieth century,
the disillusion of the Soviet Union. That shows you where
his head is. Susan, I love your calls. You got
to call more off and I enjoyed tonight's conversation immensely.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Let me go to John and Boston. John, I'm going
to get you in one more in. If I can't,
here's well wrapped the hour, Go ahead, John, okay. If
John isn't ready, we'll put John on hold. We'll see
where John is. In the meantime, I'm going to go
to Gregory in Dorchester. Greg you are next on nightside.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Your thoughts, Hi, Dan, thanks for taking the call.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
He took some words out of my mouth. I mean
Putin is a KGB agent, you know, And I think
he was fooling around. But Trump, they're testing him out,
and I think he was a little bit smarter than him. Harry,
you thought he was anyway. But I think, like you said,
(34:58):
I think Trump has in his mind. I think.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know who has an advantage of the Trump in
then in that there's no loyal opposition in in Russia. Uh,
there's no one out there who's who's threatening him. Trump
has to worry about people here domestically who don't like
him for a number of valid reasons. Uh. So you know,
(35:25):
from a from a domestic point of view, Putin always
is going to have a stronger hand to play.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
But by cam, the former Secretary of State, said, one time,
might POMPEII there, he says, go over and see Putin
and tell me going to drill at cans a while
here and again in the States, and he won't be
able to sell one gallon a while and he's cornered.
That's the only way you can stop him attic you know.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
But again you have you have a bunch of people
in this country who don't see that advantage that that
you just articulated, and they would prefer to make sure
that there's no drilling done on the North Bank or
the or the Gulf of America formerly the Gulf of Mexico.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah, I hope there's I hope. I mean the snow
letters saying is saying sticks some stones will break your bones,
but talkson never harmed you. So I hope there's some
piece there, but hasn't hasn't, hasn't yelled President Trump has
made some Kendal Greenham so Zany already in minerals over
(36:28):
there in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
There's something basically, yeah, that's part of it is there's
this uh you know, uh special Stusan was referring to it.
But she just told me that also that that there
was a field that the Russians took over and tried
to explain to Zelinski. I think he did that this
(36:49):
was good insurance for for Ukraine. Now I don't know
what what card Trump thought he could play. He couldn't
send me eighty second airborne.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Division in we we don't want that.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
No, no, no, no no, it's very and Putin's wat
enough to understand we don't want. I don't think Trump
wants that. I mean, I think Trump sees likes the
good life, and and and he has grandchildren. And I
hope that Putin sees the same way. I don't want
to end up in a in a nuclear war with
Russia over this.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Well, I'll say one thing down, and if Trump was president,
Putin would have never invaded you.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, because I think I think Putin looks at Trumps
a wild card, and that's probably a good.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
But I still think he was a way stronger president.
He's a way stronger president than.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Biden was, I think.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Don't get me wrong. No, No, he was a little
bit too old like myself to be president.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
So yeah, well, Trump's pretty close in age, but Trump
is in a difference. He's he's he's probably he's a
much better shape mentally and physically than Joe. I felt
badly for Biden today. I saw a report that he
was like in a ice cream parl or something. Anyway, Hey, Greg,
hate to do this to you, but Rob just reminded me.
(38:13):
Here comes the eleven o'clock news. We'll talk soon, my friend. Okay,
be well, all right, Greg, right back at you. Here
comes the eleven back after that,
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