May 23, 2025 • 40 mins
The latest in the ongoing battle between the Trump Admin. and Harvard University, includes an effort by the Trump Admin. to bar the university from using the Student and Exchange Visitor Program for not complying with their demands to supply information on student visa holders. Harvard followed up with a lawsuit against the administration for violation of the First Amendment, the Due Process Clause, and the Administrative Procedure Act, to which a federal judge temporarily blocked the Admin. from revoking Harvard's ability to enroll international students. Dan takes aim with the President's battle with Harvard and thinks he's wasting political capital. Do you agree or disagree?
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about the Trump administration. Now. I think all of you
know that I am not what you would call a
down the line Trumper. I like to think of myself
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as someone who's willing to look at what a president
does and say, yeah, I agree with that, or maybe
I don't agree with it. Many of you out there
are for on with Donald Trump no matter what he does,
which is fine. I respect that that is not me.
I think he's done a great job on the water
and I think it was necessary. I think that his
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trip to the Middle East was very successful. I'm hoping
that some of the prisoner exchange that occurred between Russia
and Ukraine in the last forty eight hours. Augurs, Well,
I am not convinced that all of the tariffs needed
to be adjusted. I think they could have been much
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more specifically applied. But there's one that perplexes me and
I don't understand it, and maybe you can help me
that are understand it, okay, And that is Donald Trump's
war with Harvard. Now, I did not go to Harvard.
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I went to Boston State College. I have two kids
who went to Harvard. They paid full vote. Okay, it's
as simple as that. There are I guess twenty five
percent of the undergraduate and graduate students at Harvard who
come from countries around the world. Now, if someone comes
to this country from another country on a visa, I
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think they need to behave themselves. Can they participate in demonstrations,
Absolutely absolutely. I would like to think that they would
participate in demonstrations that are support are of our country's
history and our policies. If someone like the students at
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Columbia physically interfered with Jewish students or Israeli students because
they're Jewish or Israel, pull their visis get them out
of here. Okay. But that person. There's a line between
free speech. Going to a demonstration is not the same
as impeding someone from walking to classes. And I don't
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understand why Donald Trump feels that he wants to go
after Harvard. Now, I know Harvard is the biggest and
the best and the most well known. Obviously Princeton, Yale
and a lot of a lot of the other ivys
would disagree with that analysis, but I think it is
the school that is known best around the world. I'm
sure those that at Oxford might disagree with that, but
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for our purposes, I think we can agree upon that.
I think that the new president of Harvard, Alan Garber,
has has indicated that he is willing to have conversations
with the Trump administration. But at the same time, I
don't think that the Trump administration should expect the president
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of Harvard to essentially surrender and say we're done whatever
you want us to do. Now, the Trump administration filed
an action to basically tell Harvard you can no longer
accept foreign students and we're going to pull the visas
of those who are here with their student visas. Now
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that's a huge threat. It's a huge threat, but it's
a threat not only to the institution. It's a threat
that's heard around the world. It is a shot that's
turned around the world. It basically says to the world
that if you're interested in coming here to a university,
whatever your goal is is to get, whether it's to
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become educated and become citizens here or to become educated
and go back and lift up your own country, it's
a noble goal in my opinion. In my opinion, and
you're penalizing young people from around the world. Uh, in
my opinion unnecessarily. Can you distinguish and can you say, Okay,
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this person at Columbia did this, This person at Columbia
engaged in rhetoric that was virulently anti semitic. Absolutely pull
the visa, but do it on an individual basis. If
anyone out there can explain to me why Donald Trump
seems so intent to going after Harvard, I'd love to
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have a conversation six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three, one, ten thirty and
one final court with Donald Trump. I don't think understood
in his first term, and I had hoped he would
understand in his second term, was that you govern by
majority in a democracy. And once you lose your majority,
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you lose your power. You basically expend political capital that
you have earned in your campaign. I thought that he
was in a wonderful campaign, survived an assassin's bullet, survived
the second potential assassination attempt, and I think that that
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there will be people who will follow him through a
brick wall. But that is not fifty one percent of
the American people. He has the support and had the
support of about fifty plus. It was not a mandate
President Trump. It was an election, okay, and you ran
against a weakened Democratic Party and a weekended Democratic candidate.
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And if you think that you can spend political capital
by pursuing things like Harvard and throwing students who are
here and have never done anything problematic, you will destroy
your own candidacy. It won't be the Democrats who will
destroy it. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
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six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Let's get
this conversation going. We're going to go with this until
eleven o'clock. Convince me I'm wrong, Convince me I'm wrong.
I think my position is absolutely defensible, but I want
to hear from you if you agree with me. I'd
love to hear from you. If you disagree with me,
I want to hear from you back on night Side
after this.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
All let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to
Joel and Native Joel, you are first up this hour.
Welcome my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
How are you fine?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Man? I have a collection night for you. Sure Fox
For nineteen o five, Tall pitched the ninth inning and
gave up two runs to the bom Royals who.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Pitched the ninth inning. Oh the first basement. Okay, yeah, okay,
well thanks, thank you, thank you very much. So that
means the Orioles had a field goal and a safety.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
That's right, that's right now. Now that Parma University, Parmi
University does not scream any kind of students at the
university doesn't care whether the students come from, as long
as they paid that tuition or the country to come
from pay the tuition. Alvin Eursey wants to be diversified,
so anti American and antisemitic propal study in Phama's students
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as well Communist Chinese students will allow to attend with
no second thoughts I cannot say that about the copany,
but they're probably just as bad as the students.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Well, look, I think that there there are certainly there
was a professor at Harvard who was indicted, served time
here and is now accepted a faculty position in China.
You're right, I mean, there's no question there's about I
guess seven thousand students what twenty eight thousand between undergraduates
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and graduate students at Harvard, you know, a huge figure.
My problem is when you paint with the broad brush,
I don't know that you do yourself much good. I
understand Harvard is big and represents a lot of things
that uh, you know, real diehard Trump supporters are concerned about.
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But I just think that you know why, you know
what is do you think the President Trump thinks that
every one of these people from around the world who
have come to Harvard are bad people? I mean, why
would you paint with such a why why do you
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paint with such a broadbrush? And again, you and I
see this a little differently. You know, I am as
as virulently concerned about anti Semitism. I am fundamentally concerned
about that, and I don't like the scent of it.
I don't like the smell of it, and it needs
to be rooted out. And some of those kids at
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Columbia who blocked Jewish students from attending classes, that's it.
You're gone. You're gone. But why go after every student?
What's the rationale in your mind?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I don't know if there's any astronaut, but I've made
COGNI needs to do a better job so it wouldn't
be such a broad brush.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well I know that, but but I just think that
that the concept of Uh, you know, when when a
plane lands here in Boston from another country, uh, and
you know people are here as tourists and they have
visas or or they're here as visitors or whatever. You
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you assume that they're coming here for the right reason. Now,
if somebody comes here and commits a crime, they have
to abide by by our laws. I'm not saying all
of these people who are here, these students have come
from student visas. They're here legally, whether you like them
or not. Now, obviously the president, I guess, can try
to suspend the program. It's going to end up in court.
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I think he's going to lose in court. I just
think it's counterproductive that when when you have these students
who are interfering with fellow students who happen to be
Jewish or Israeli. Does does he want to have Harvard
throughout the Israeli students who are here as well, Because
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when he tells Harvard to get rid of all the students,
he's going to be getting rid of some Israeli students.
I don't want to get rid of the Israeli students.
I don't want to get rid of students from other
countries that they can learn the positive aspects of America.
I don't know. I just I think he likes to
fight for the sake of fighting, Joel, and he picks
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fights that he can't win and he lose. It hurts
his credibility in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, as long as students are here, I'm visus
and they expect America.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It's only when they viewers go against American views that
they should not be there.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, I'm with you. We would probably have to debate
over what going against American views. If there is some
student here who says that they disagree with Donald Trump
or whatever, that's you know, that's that's fine, that's acceptable
as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, However, if they come
here and they say they have a right to prevent,
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you know, Jewish students from going to class or studying
in the library, or going into the cafeteria, that's unacceptable.
That student has forfeited their rights to be here. But
you do it on an individual basis.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
In my opinion, I agree with doing that. I agree
with you on that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
All right, So we're in. We're more in agreement than
in disagreement. Joel. And I know you're a you're a
Trump supporter, and I respect that. And I thank you
for having listened to me here, and and and I
I just I think he hurts his cause. I think
he hurts his cause in my opinion. Thanks Joel, Dan,
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you too, my friend. Talk soon. Okay, all right, let
me let me start Harvey Silver glad here Hobby is
called in, and I know Harvey will have something interesting
to say. Harvey, go right ahead. If we got a
break for the newscast, I can always kick you over
to the other side of the news. Go right ahead,
my friend.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Trump's attack on Harvard is not done as a matter
of principle. The man has no principles. He was pro
Israel until he went to Cutter. They gave him, they
gave him a plane, they gave him a lot of deals.
Suddenly he's a friend of the Arabs.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, I think he's still I still think he's pro Israel, Harvey.
I think that he's trying to bring uh. I think
he's trying to cause some division within the Arab block
over there, and he's trying to get Cutter in the
UAAR and maybe eventually Saudi Arabia to establish legitimate relations
with Israel.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I don't think he's you and I disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
To the wolves. You really think he would throw Israel
to the wolves.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
If there was something in it for him.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yes, all right, the.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Man has no principles. Okay, anyway, but that's going by
the point.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
With respect to Harvard, Harvard.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Is, as a matter of fact, the wealthiest American institution.
It is, as a matter of fact, the oldest American
institution of higher learning. It is subjectively considered one of
the half dozen best universities in the world. Trump figures
if he could bring Harvard down, he can control American
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higher education, beating his megalomania and That's the reason he
has attacked Harvard, don't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't think legally he can win that fight.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
No, I don't think he's gonna win because he didn't.
He expected Harvard to fold like a cheap suit that
like Columbia did.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But Garber and the president Garber were in Provost.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Manning suddenly decided enough is enough and they decided to
say no. And Trump ego was really bugged by that,
and so he is trying to bring Harvard them.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Okay, So I got to ask you a question. I
gotta ask you a question. Would you agree with me
that Columbia has much more to account for in how
they conducted themself, how the university conducted themselves in the
face of these demonstrations that Harvard did. I think Harvard
can have conducted themselves very well. I think Columbia had
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a lot to answer for.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I agree with that. But letting Trump run Columbus was
not the The answer was self improvement, Yes, self reform. No,
Colombia has destroyed itself.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, And what I'm saying is is that they still
and and they The president of Columbia is Claire Shipman,
who used to be a network television reporter. Incidentally, I
didn't realize she had such academic credentials to be the
president of Columbia.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I are you.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Familiar with her background? She's she was a good reporter,
good network reporter. I think she at one one point
was married to Jake Sullivan, the former national security advisor
of President of President Biden. But I didn't think that
of hers would be like thinking of me as the
president of a college it was. It would not be
a good it would not be a good look. Harvey,
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I think Garbera I agree with you. I think Garbera
has actually indicated to Trump that he's willing to talk
and that they have done some things at Harvard actually,
And it's like Trump, he doesn't want to take the victory.
He'd rather continue to pound Harvard.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Because I actually wrote a letter to Manning, to John
Manning and too Alan garber and I said, you know,
you guys, I'm so glad to see that you haven't
so you've shown backbone. And I increased my annual giving,
and I said, I suspect that there are a lot
of alumni who increased their donations in order to help
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make up the shortfall.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But I also think I also think Harvey to his
credit and if I'm wrong, please tell me. I think
to his credit, Garber sent signals make comments which suggested
that they recognized that maybe they could tighten up the
ship a little bit, and they wor Yeah, they were
willing to.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
We're working on it. Yeah, and they're working on it.
And I got an email back from Garber thanking me
for my support. I'll beheaf of himself and the provost Manning,
And so they understand that I and the letter of
other alumni are backing them.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Up on this.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah. Well, I'm in similar fashion with you here. And
if you talk to Alan Garvin, he'd like to be
on the show. He's more than welcome. I mean, I
think that he had said to the administration, and not
in so many words, hey, we realize that we're not perfect.
We can do some things better here, and maybe Trump
recognized that or perceived that as a sign of weakness
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as opposed to a sign of accommodation and decided, well,
now that they have shown weakness, I'm going to go
in for the kill. I think at the end of
the day, Trump is going to lose on this, and
he's going to spend a lot of political capital and
lose a lot of political capital.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Dan, Yeah, he is losing court. I have a little
doubt about that. The question is will he obey the
court order.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I don't think he has a choice because if he
lose is a district court, Harvey, you know the system
as well as I do. It's going to go eventually
through the appellate If it does go through the appellate
court up to the US Supreme Court, he may have
one or two votes that would stay with him on this,
but I think he'd lose seven to two eight.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Two votes in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, we see it. You and I and you
and I know who they are, Thomas and Alito. I
think he would lose seven to two his breast case scenario,
and at that point that's going to be devastating. I
have no idea who's advising him legally, Harvey.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I'm not sure he's taking advice.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, you know, if that is true, Uh, he's even worse.
I mean, if he's using Stephen Miller as his legal advisor,
he'd better ask to see Miller's law degree, which doesn't exist. Yeah, Harvey,
thank you man. I got the news here and I
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didn't want to drag you through the news. Thanks, as always.
I appreciate you. You're particularly situated, particularly well situated to
talk about anything related to Harvard. I really do appreciate
you taking the time tonight. Appreciate it. Thanks, buddy, Talk
to you soon, all right. I'd love to hear from
you if you're if you think the President is doing
this effectively and it is in his political interest, I
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think he has basically taken on a fight he cannot win.
And I don't understand why his lawyers don't have the
backbone to say, mister President, with all due respect, you
were not on legal ground here that is solid. You
are going to lose if you continue to press this point,
agree or disagree. I'd love to hear from you, whatever
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your point of view is. I got some lines and
we will talk about this. If I have to make
a speech about it, I'll make a speech about it
until eleven o'clock six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. The
Trump administration is the day's click off the calendar. He
won the vote in the House on the Big Beautiful
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budget bill by one vote. That's there's not a lot
of room there, folks.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And if you're if you're a Trump supporter and you
think I'm dead wrong, bring it on. We can have
a conversation. And if you if you're a Trump supporter
and you agree with me, I'd love to hear from you.
Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Next up, Ted in Medford, Ted next to the Nightside.
Thanks for calling in. Go right ahead, sir, Hi.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Dan, long time. We've talked quite often. Apparently Trump has
never been to Harvard because that place, that's not an
unsafe place for Jewish people. My daughter works there, she
goes there for her master's degree. Yes, a lot of
the students my daughter's age don't get the world and
they do stupid things. I walked by Tufts every day,
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and last year with all the protests the Middle East
and Israel and Palestine is very hard for the smartest
people to figure out. I didn't vote for Trump, I
didn't vote for Biden. I'm disappointed in Trump because I
really think he had an opportunity, with his bully pulpit,
to really make change. And I don't get it when
you're the heavyweight champ.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Of the world.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
You don't punch down and wait. Yeah, and he fights
for the sake of fighting. And I don't know what
lawyers he has, just like the Doze Union stuff. He's
losing all those cases. He's losing a lot of credibility.
I think this is about taking down higher education. And
what I should have led with is I've never thought
I would say these words in my life. That my
thunder was stolen by Hobby Silvergate, who I've read for
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years and years, because a lot of what he said,
I agree with him. He's obviously a much smarter man
and I'll ever be and knows Harvard much better than.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I ever will.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
But people need to understand too with international students, I
deal with a lot of people from into here in
my business. A they pay full freight to come here, yep,
they pay, they had no help. And B these as
people disappear, Like in the liquor inconvenience business. It's been
getting killed since Trump has been office because a lot
of these people aren't going out because some of them
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on here legally. They're afraid that I know somebody whose
daughter had a violation on a kicket very well to do,
wealthy Indian family that owns a lot of businesses in Boston.
Because of that, her visa is in jeopardy. No, I
don't understand the laws as to why. But this is
all not it's just it's it's just a complete waste
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of time. The whole cut of thing bothers me. I
am trying to hold out hope that at some point
Saudi Arabia has to help us figure out Israel and
Palestine and say y'all going here, y'all going here, we
promise there'll be no Arab aggression. Maybe that's what he's
trying to do.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think what he's trying to do, I think, and
I'll disagree with my good friend Harvey silver Clay. I
do know that from Trump's perspective, he sees the world
from his perspective and what's in it for him. But
I do think that he has an understanding, just a
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fundamental understanding of the importance of the name of the
state of Israel and what it represents historically, you know, biblically,
I mean all of that, all of that. It's a
very special place. It has a history. I spent the
day at Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six. Not that it
changed my view. My dad had lectured us as kids
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World War II veteran never forget, never again. I mean
it was it was imprinted on my mind. The smartest
kids who I went to high school with were Jewish kids.
And you know, it's yes, you know, I gotta tell you.
I mean, it's it's it's true. But but the point
is it's pretty clear who the good guys and the
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bad guys are in the Middle East, and and the
israelis the good guys. They didn't stay.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
This generation is more to lunch than our generation was.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, they didn't. It wasn't Israel that attacked Tamas on
October seventh, and and Trump, if you go back to
the first Trump presidency, the Arab Accords was an effort
to basically get some of the kind of rational Arab
states to come around and say, look, Israel exists and
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we're going to deal with it. And you have Yemeny Yemen,
with their backing from Iran firing rockets into Saudi Arabia.
I think that Saudi Arabia might come around even is
what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, they're coming around in a lot of other ways too,
because the world has changed and money makes the world
go around.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's absolutely there's real money at stake.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
And you know, like I say, with my daughter all
the time, as bright as she is, much smarter than me,
better student, we did not push back when the older
generation the way that this generation does even were aarguan
something on Mother's Day and I was clearly right. She's like, yet,
I don't want to occu on Mother's Day. And then
she texted me the next day like twenty five PowerPoint slides.
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I go, sweetheart, I've lived a lot more life than you.
I love it yet, it's the best thing.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
In my life.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I'm beyond proud of you. You haven't lived enough life yet.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I have a daughter too. I have a daughter too. Okay, yes,
we'll just leave it.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
At that dead Yes, yes, sir, enjoy the show is always.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Thank you very much, thanks so much for calling. I've
called more off and will you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Let's keep going here with the conversation. We're having a
fun tonight. Let me go to my friend Susan and Cambridge.
Susan and I normally disagree, but there may be some
some threat of agreement here, Go ahead, Susan.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Yeah, there may be, but I just I got to
chuckle out of that. Twenty five power points flies. That's
a good one.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh yeah, I assume you could probably pull one of
those together pretty quickly too, Go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Did you happen to hear Representative Lynch's comments today?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I did.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Yeah, they were on DZ, and I don't think i've
ever heard him so exasperated. He used every four letter
word that he's allowed to use, you know, in the media.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
But let me ask you this, Steve, I've always said
that I felt Steve Lynch was the along with Seth Moulton.
They are, and they are two solid members of the delegation.
They would be my two favorite Democrats. May not be
your two favorite Democrats. But today you're going to be
(30:52):
quoting Steve Lynch, so go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Well, I was just going to point out that, you know,
he's no, you know, far far lefty. Of course, I'm
pretty sure he wasn't educated at Harvard.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
He's still oh absolutely no, I'm just saying that he's not,
you know, he's not coming to you know, Harvard's sense
because of that, you know, and what I liked is
that he spoke to to be honest, like, you know,
I don't really care about.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
What political capital Trump is expending on this, Like I'm
not I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in what
Lynch was saying, which is the stuff that he is
destroying right now, like in terms of the sciences and
people coming here and doing research and and pulling funding
in the midst of clinical trials. I mean, that's just
(31:41):
economically stupid. That's just a waste.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That was what Lynch said today. And I understand that,
and I agree with that. I have a different view
a little bit, so I give you a chance to
take a shot at me. I want Donald Trump to succeed, Okay,
I want Donald Trump to be a good president. I
want the federal debt to be brought down. I want
the border secure, I want the United States to have
(32:08):
a better standing in the world. And I think that
the craziness of talking about invading Greenland or taking over Greenland,
or taking over part of Canada basically expends political capital.
I would have liked to have seen whoever the president
has succeeded, what Democrat or Republican, And I just I
(32:29):
hope you feel that way, not that you support his policies,
but when any president is undercutting their own policies, and
I can't think of any president who has undercut their
policies more in both terms than Donald Trump. All it
means is we will have a president who will be
(32:51):
an ineffective president, which hurts all of us, right, I.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Mean past his prologue. We saw that to a certain
extent in his first and this time. You know, as
many have said, the guardrails are off. He's got, you know,
all the sycophants he wants around him, nobody to you know,
take him aside, you know, and I mean supposedly. The
reporting is that within within the White House, Stephen Miller
(33:18):
and a group of a's are like intent on taking
down Harvard, like destroying it. Basically, I don't understand not
going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen.
But I don't understand how they think that that serves America.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I mean, I don't need yeah and an agreement.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But by the way, I do think that many of
the appointments of Trump in his cabinet in the second term.
I think Marco Rubio is a good Secretary of State appointment. Okay.
I think that, uh, the Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy is
going to do a much better job than Pete Boudhajet.
(34:01):
I think that our transportation system, particularly our airline system,
will be in much better shape when Duffy ends his
four years as Transportation Secretary than it was when Budajet
Butajet was asleep at the switch. You cannot convince me
of that, Susan. Okay, So are there are some appointments
that he's made that are good appointments. Stephen Miller is
(34:24):
not a good person to have in your in either
your kitchen cabinet or in your close close circle.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
We agree on that, Yes, I would push back a
bit on the Buddha sucks because they did. He did
go to Congress asking for more funding for the FAA
and was turned down flat.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Didn't he have a Didn't he have a democratic Congress?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
He didn't?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
He he did initially, but sure he had a democratic
He had a democratic Congress in twenty twenty one when
Joe Biden went into office, and our the planes that
you fly on and the planes that I fly on
and that your family flies on, we're not as safe
as they should be. And I don't care whether it's
(35:10):
a Democrat or.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Republic focus on the initially was on the effects of
the pandemic on the you know, the airspace and transportation industry.
And so once he got past that, many times.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You make an excuses, Susan, I'm telling.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You what happened.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I know what about Congress.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
They did go, you can look at look at the record.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
He did go.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Then he did a fabulous job. And he then let's
let's agree that Pete Buddha Chet was the greatest transportation
secretary in our history, and that all the problems with
the planes right now are our Duffy's problems because he's
been in office now about one hundred days.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Come on, So I didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I didn't know, but you're not saying it.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But you're okay, all right, Hey, look I got I
don't want to fight with you. This is the night
I wanted to to have some some areas of a
agreement with you. So sorry, if I took the conversation
off in a different direction, I got to run because
they got two more I gotta get to We'll talk again,
and next time we'll fight like cats and dogs. Okay, thanks,
all right, all right, coming back on night Side right after.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
This night with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I love Susan. She's a friend of mine, even though
we disagree in a lot of things, but today we
have some agreement. Hey, let me go to my pal
Dallas in Ohio. Dallas, Welcome, How are you?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yes? How you doing?
Speaker 8 (36:32):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Hello to you and hello Boston and WBZ. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
I I really think that President Trump should back down
on Harvard. I don't understand, you know, what the anks is,
you know, was he.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Does. He has some kind of been vindictive attitude towards
Harvard that you know.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
It's like if you if you're the toughest guy in
this in the town Dallas, and you can beat anyone
up on a one on one fight, you don't go
into a bar inside of fight with five people simultaneously
because you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Get your No, you don't, but.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He I don't know, you know, it's like, okay, you
got Harvard, you know, and then he's back and forth
with the tariff, you know, and then for a while,
you know, he wants to get Canada and Greenland, and
I mean, you know, you know, if you know, I'm
gonna put it this way. He's not careful. The enemy
(37:46):
is going to sneak in the back door, and you
know that's gonna end up being a disaster for the
United States. I think there's too much distraction, too much
going on. He needs to really focus on. Uh you know, Uh,
(38:09):
he's got.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
He's got everything going for him. You know, he won
an election. People were supporting. He was getting a second chance.
Americans love a comeback story. They love a second a
guy that comes back. You know, some quarterback who gets
hurt and they think his career is over, and next
he's winning into the super Bowl. Uh. They America loves that.
They love that. Yeah, and he's just he's he's gonna
(38:32):
blow it if he doesn't watch himself. Dallas, I gotta
get one more in body. How's everything an Akron? Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Hey, just fine, just fine. I just wish it would
stop raining.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Well, we got rain up here too. Happy Memorial Day.
Everybody talks. Soon have a great one. I'm gonna get
Peter in New York in here, Peter, You're gonna you're
gonna wrap it up. You're you're called late. I've got
a break for the eleven o'clock news. You got the
you got the microphone, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
You know I can't stand Trump. I think he's a
as Rex Tillison said, and Effie moron, and I know
what he's doing. He has those scruples, as Harvey said.
And I know him from the time of him, from
the time he's a kid. His trainer, his personal trainer
(39:27):
was Roy Cohen. Is anybody worse than Roy Cohen.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Roy Cone, not Roy Cohen, Roy Cone, Roy Cohen.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Yeah, right, the guy from the McCarthy here is and
everything he does is a test. Look, he's still jerking
around with the tariffs. He has no idea what he's doing.
As somebody I heard talk say, he's a bomb thrower.
He throws the bomb in and then takes on the fight.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
He loves it.
Speaker 9 (39:57):
He has no scroup, as Harvey said, he has no scruples.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
All right, you got the final word of the hour, Peter,
thanks so much. You got to call earlier.
Speaker 9 (40:07):
I love your calls, but I believe people have to
read by Roy Cohne.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
They're too young.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Well, no people can read. They if they can read
up on George Washington. You know it's like people, they're
not they're not too young to read history, you know
as well as I do. Thanks Pete, Thank you, Peter.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Thanks good great talks.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Talk to you soon. Goodnight. Okay, Uh, Jack and Newton,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
If you want to hold on for the twentieth hour,
you can, but we got to go to the twentieth hour.
I'm gonna give you three options. Remember somebody of Memorial Day.
You could salute a vet uh in that regard, uh,
your first concert or your biggest regret.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's kind of a multiple choice twentieth hour. We'll be
back on Night's side.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Radio.
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Thanks very much'll wish the Red Sox saved a few
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How would you like to be a member of Baltimore
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It's going to be a long season, fella, It's going
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And as they say, we always love input from you
in terms of stories. We will do an eleven o'clock
hour tonight, and which of course is the twentieth hour,
and I will tell you that I'm thinking tonight of
giving you three options in the eleven o'clock hour, And
it is also what we call a hall pass hour,
which means even if you have called in earlier this week,
(03:42):
we'd like to try to keep people to one call
a week, but in that eleven o'clock hour, or what
we call the twentieth hour of the week, everyone has
a hall pass. So I want to talk this hour
about the Trump administration. Now. I think all of you
know that I am not what you would call a
down the line Trumper. I like to think of myself
(04:05):
as someone who's willing to look at what a president
does and say, yeah, I agree with that, or maybe
I don't agree with it. Many of you out there
are for on with Donald Trump no matter what he does,
which is fine. I respect that that is not me.
I think he's done a great job on the water
and I think it was necessary. I think that his
(04:27):
trip to the Middle East was very successful. I'm hoping
that some of the prisoner exchange that occurred between Russia
and Ukraine in the last forty eight hours. Augurs, Well,
I am not convinced that all of the tariffs needed
to be adjusted. I think they could have been much
(04:48):
more specifically applied. But there's one that perplexes me and
I don't understand it, and maybe you can help me
that are understand it, okay, And that is Donald Trump's
war with Harvard. Now, I did not go to Harvard.
(05:09):
I went to Boston State College. I have two kids
who went to Harvard. They paid full vote. Okay, it's
as simple as that. There are I guess twenty five
percent of the undergraduate and graduate students at Harvard who
come from countries around the world. Now, if someone comes
to this country from another country on a visa, I
(05:32):
think they need to behave themselves. Can they participate in demonstrations,
Absolutely absolutely. I would like to think that they would
participate in demonstrations that are support are of our country's
history and our policies. If someone like the students at
(05:53):
Columbia physically interfered with Jewish students or Israeli students because
they're Jewish or Israel, pull their visis get them out
of here. Okay. But that person. There's a line between
free speech. Going to a demonstration is not the same
as impeding someone from walking to classes. And I don't
(06:16):
understand why Donald Trump feels that he wants to go
after Harvard. Now, I know Harvard is the biggest and
the best and the most well known. Obviously Princeton, Yale
and a lot of a lot of the other ivys
would disagree with that analysis, but I think it is
the school that is known best around the world. I'm
sure those that at Oxford might disagree with that, but
(06:38):
for our purposes, I think we can agree upon that.
I think that the new president of Harvard, Alan Garber,
has has indicated that he is willing to have conversations
with the Trump administration. But at the same time, I
don't think that the Trump administration should expect the president
(06:59):
of Harvard to essentially surrender and say we're done whatever
you want us to do. Now, the Trump administration filed
an action to basically tell Harvard you can no longer
accept foreign students and we're going to pull the visas
of those who are here with their student visas. Now
(07:22):
that's a huge threat. It's a huge threat, but it's
a threat not only to the institution. It's a threat
that's heard around the world. It is a shot that's
turned around the world. It basically says to the world
that if you're interested in coming here to a university,
whatever your goal is is to get, whether it's to
(07:45):
become educated and become citizens here or to become educated
and go back and lift up your own country, it's
a noble goal in my opinion. In my opinion, and
you're penalizing young people from around the world. Uh, in
my opinion unnecessarily. Can you distinguish and can you say, Okay,
(08:06):
this person at Columbia did this, This person at Columbia
engaged in rhetoric that was virulently anti semitic. Absolutely pull
the visa, but do it on an individual basis. If
anyone out there can explain to me why Donald Trump
seems so intent to going after Harvard, I'd love to
(08:27):
have a conversation six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three, one, ten thirty and
one final court with Donald Trump. I don't think understood
in his first term, and I had hoped he would
understand in his second term, was that you govern by
majority in a democracy. And once you lose your majority,
(08:50):
you lose your power. You basically expend political capital that
you have earned in your campaign. I thought that he
was in a wonderful campaign, survived an assassin's bullet, survived
the second potential assassination attempt, and I think that that
(09:12):
there will be people who will follow him through a
brick wall. But that is not fifty one percent of
the American people. He has the support and had the
support of about fifty plus. It was not a mandate
President Trump. It was an election, okay, and you ran
against a weakened Democratic Party and a weekended Democratic candidate.
(09:34):
And if you think that you can spend political capital
by pursuing things like Harvard and throwing students who are
here and have never done anything problematic, you will destroy
your own candidacy. It won't be the Democrats who will
destroy it. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
(09:54):
six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Let's get
this conversation going. We're going to go with this until
eleven o'clock. Convince me I'm wrong, Convince me I'm wrong.
I think my position is absolutely defensible, but I want
to hear from you if you agree with me. I'd
love to hear from you. If you disagree with me,
I want to hear from you back on night Side
after this.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
All let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to
Joel and Native Joel, you are first up this hour.
Welcome my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
How are you fine?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Man? I have a collection night for you. Sure Fox
For nineteen o five, Tall pitched the ninth inning and
gave up two runs to the bom Royals who.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Pitched the ninth inning. Oh the first basement. Okay, yeah, okay,
well thanks, thank you, thank you very much. So that
means the Orioles had a field goal and a safety.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
That's right, that's right now. Now that Parma University, Parmi
University does not scream any kind of students at the
university doesn't care whether the students come from, as long
as they paid that tuition or the country to come
from pay the tuition. Alvin Eursey wants to be diversified,
so anti American and antisemitic propal study in Phama's students
(11:15):
as well Communist Chinese students will allow to attend with
no second thoughts I cannot say that about the copany,
but they're probably just as bad as the students.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Well, look, I think that there there are certainly there
was a professor at Harvard who was indicted, served time
here and is now accepted a faculty position in China.
You're right, I mean, there's no question there's about I
guess seven thousand students what twenty eight thousand between undergraduates
(11:47):
and graduate students at Harvard, you know, a huge figure.
My problem is when you paint with the broad brush,
I don't know that you do yourself much good. I
understand Harvard is big and represents a lot of things
that uh, you know, real diehard Trump supporters are concerned about.
(12:11):
But I just think that you know why, you know
what is do you think the President Trump thinks that
every one of these people from around the world who
have come to Harvard are bad people? I mean, why
would you paint with such a why why do you
(12:31):
paint with such a broadbrush? And again, you and I
see this a little differently. You know, I am as
as virulently concerned about anti Semitism. I am fundamentally concerned
about that, and I don't like the scent of it.
I don't like the smell of it, and it needs
to be rooted out. And some of those kids at
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Columbia who blocked Jewish students from attending classes, that's it.
You're gone. You're gone. But why go after every student?
What's the rationale in your mind?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I don't know if there's any astronaut, but I've made
COGNI needs to do a better job so it wouldn't
be such a broad brush.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well I know that, but but I just think that
that the concept of Uh, you know, when when a
plane lands here in Boston from another country, uh, and
you know people are here as tourists and they have
visas or or they're here as visitors or whatever. You
(13:35):
you assume that they're coming here for the right reason. Now,
if somebody comes here and commits a crime, they have
to abide by by our laws. I'm not saying all
of these people who are here, these students have come
from student visas. They're here legally, whether you like them
or not. Now, obviously the president, I guess, can try
to suspend the program. It's going to end up in court.
(13:58):
I think he's going to lose in court. I just
think it's counterproductive that when when you have these students
who are interfering with fellow students who happen to be
Jewish or Israeli. Does does he want to have Harvard
throughout the Israeli students who are here as well, Because
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when he tells Harvard to get rid of all the students,
he's going to be getting rid of some Israeli students.
I don't want to get rid of the Israeli students.
I don't want to get rid of students from other
countries that they can learn the positive aspects of America.
I don't know. I just I think he likes to
fight for the sake of fighting, Joel, and he picks
(14:41):
fights that he can't win and he lose. It hurts
his credibility in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
You know, as long as students are here, I'm visus
and they expect America.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
I have no problem with that.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
It's only when they viewers go against American views that
they should not be there.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, I'm with you. We would probably have to debate
over what going against American views. If there is some
student here who says that they disagree with Donald Trump
or whatever, that's you know, that's that's fine, that's acceptable
as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, However, if they come
here and they say they have a right to prevent,
(15:23):
you know, Jewish students from going to class or studying
in the library, or going into the cafeteria, that's unacceptable.
That student has forfeited their rights to be here. But
you do it on an individual basis.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
In my opinion, I agree with doing that. I agree
with you on that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
All right, So we're in. We're more in agreement than
in disagreement. Joel. And I know you're a you're a
Trump supporter, and I respect that. And I thank you
for having listened to me here, and and and I
I just I think he hurts his cause. I think
he hurts his cause in my opinion. Thanks Joel, Dan,
(16:03):
you too, my friend. Talk soon. Okay, all right, let
me let me start Harvey Silver glad here Hobby is
called in, and I know Harvey will have something interesting
to say. Harvey, go right ahead. If we got a
break for the newscast, I can always kick you over
to the other side of the news. Go right ahead,
my friend.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Trump's attack on Harvard is not done as a matter
of principle. The man has no principles. He was pro
Israel until he went to Cutter. They gave him, they
gave him a plane, they gave him a lot of deals.
Suddenly he's a friend of the Arabs.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Well, I think he's still I still think he's pro Israel, Harvey.
I think that he's trying to bring uh. I think
he's trying to cause some division within the Arab block
over there, and he's trying to get Cutter in the
UAAR and maybe eventually Saudi Arabia to establish legitimate relations
with Israel.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
I don't think he's you and I disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
To the wolves. You really think he would throw Israel
to the wolves.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
If there was something in it for him.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yes, all right, the.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Man has no principles. Okay, anyway, but that's going by
the point.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
With respect to Harvard, Harvard.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Is, as a matter of fact, the wealthiest American institution.
It is, as a matter of fact, the oldest American
institution of higher learning. It is subjectively considered one of
the half dozen best universities in the world. Trump figures
if he could bring Harvard down, he can control American
(17:45):
higher education, beating his megalomania and That's the reason he
has attacked Harvard, don't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't think legally he can win that fight.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
No, I don't think he's gonna win because he didn't.
He expected Harvard to fold like a cheap suit that
like Columbia did.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
But Garber and the president Garber were in Provost.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Manning suddenly decided enough is enough and they decided to
say no. And Trump ego was really bugged by that,
and so he is trying to bring Harvard them.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Okay, So I got to ask you a question. I
gotta ask you a question. Would you agree with me
that Columbia has much more to account for in how
they conducted themself, how the university conducted themselves in the
face of these demonstrations that Harvard did. I think Harvard
can have conducted themselves very well. I think Columbia had
(18:53):
a lot to answer for.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I agree with that. But letting Trump run Columbus was
not the The answer was self improvement, Yes, self reform. No,
Colombia has destroyed itself.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, And what I'm saying is is that they still
and and they The president of Columbia is Claire Shipman,
who used to be a network television reporter. Incidentally, I
didn't realize she had such academic credentials to be the
president of Columbia.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I are you.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Familiar with her background? She's she was a good reporter,
good network reporter. I think she at one one point
was married to Jake Sullivan, the former national security advisor
of President of President Biden. But I didn't think that
of hers would be like thinking of me as the
president of a college it was. It would not be
a good it would not be a good look. Harvey,
(19:49):
I think Garbera I agree with you. I think Garbera
has actually indicated to Trump that he's willing to talk
and that they have done some things at Harvard actually,
And it's like Trump, he doesn't want to take the victory.
He'd rather continue to pound Harvard.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
Because I actually wrote a letter to Manning, to John
Manning and too Alan garber and I said, you know,
you guys, I'm so glad to see that you haven't
so you've shown backbone. And I increased my annual giving,
and I said, I suspect that there are a lot
of alumni who increased their donations in order to help
(20:28):
make up the shortfall.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
But I also think I also think Harvey to his
credit and if I'm wrong, please tell me. I think
to his credit, Garber sent signals make comments which suggested
that they recognized that maybe they could tighten up the
ship a little bit, and they wor Yeah, they were
willing to.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
We're working on it. Yeah, and they're working on it.
And I got an email back from Garber thanking me
for my support. I'll beheaf of himself and the provost Manning,
And so they understand that I and the letter of
other alumni are backing them.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Up on this.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah. Well, I'm in similar fashion with you here. And
if you talk to Alan Garvin, he'd like to be
on the show. He's more than welcome. I mean, I
think that he had said to the administration, and not
in so many words, hey, we realize that we're not perfect.
We can do some things better here, and maybe Trump
recognized that or perceived that as a sign of weakness
(21:31):
as opposed to a sign of accommodation and decided, well,
now that they have shown weakness, I'm going to go
in for the kill. I think at the end of
the day, Trump is going to lose on this, and
he's going to spend a lot of political capital and
lose a lot of political capital.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Dan, Yeah, he is losing court. I have a little
doubt about that. The question is will he obey the
court order.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I don't think he has a choice because if he
lose is a district court, Harvey, you know the system
as well as I do. It's going to go eventually
through the appellate If it does go through the appellate
court up to the US Supreme Court, he may have
one or two votes that would stay with him on this,
but I think he'd lose seven to two eight.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Two votes in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, we see it. You and I and you
and I know who they are, Thomas and Alito. I
think he would lose seven to two his breast case scenario,
and at that point that's going to be devastating. I
have no idea who's advising him legally, Harvey.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I'm not sure he's taking advice.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, you know, if that is true, Uh, he's even worse.
I mean, if he's using Stephen Miller as his legal advisor,
he'd better ask to see Miller's law degree, which doesn't exist. Yeah, Harvey,
thank you man. I got the news here and I
(23:05):
didn't want to drag you through the news. Thanks, as always.
I appreciate you. You're particularly situated, particularly well situated to
talk about anything related to Harvard. I really do appreciate
you taking the time tonight. Appreciate it. Thanks, buddy, Talk
to you soon, all right. I'd love to hear from
you if you're if you think the President is doing
this effectively and it is in his political interest, I
(23:31):
think he has basically taken on a fight he cannot win.
And I don't understand why his lawyers don't have the
backbone to say, mister President, with all due respect, you
were not on legal ground here that is solid. You
are going to lose if you continue to press this point,
agree or disagree. I'd love to hear from you, whatever
(23:55):
your point of view is. I got some lines and
we will talk about this. If I have to make
a speech about it, I'll make a speech about it
until eleven o'clock six one, seven, two, five, four ten
thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. The
Trump administration is the day's click off the calendar. He
won the vote in the House on the Big Beautiful
(24:16):
budget bill by one vote. That's there's not a lot
of room there, folks.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And if you're if you're a Trump supporter and you
think I'm dead wrong, bring it on. We can have
a conversation. And if you if you're a Trump supporter
and you agree with me, I'd love to hear from you.
Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Next up, Ted in Medford, Ted next to the Nightside.
Thanks for calling in. Go right ahead, sir, Hi.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Dan, long time. We've talked quite often. Apparently Trump has
never been to Harvard because that place, that's not an
unsafe place for Jewish people. My daughter works there, she
goes there for her master's degree. Yes, a lot of
the students my daughter's age don't get the world and
they do stupid things. I walked by Tufts every day,
(25:10):
and last year with all the protests the Middle East
and Israel and Palestine is very hard for the smartest
people to figure out. I didn't vote for Trump, I
didn't vote for Biden. I'm disappointed in Trump because I
really think he had an opportunity, with his bully pulpit,
to really make change. And I don't get it when
you're the heavyweight champ.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Of the world.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
You don't punch down and wait. Yeah, and he fights
for the sake of fighting. And I don't know what
lawyers he has, just like the Doze Union stuff. He's
losing all those cases. He's losing a lot of credibility.
I think this is about taking down higher education. And
what I should have led with is I've never thought
I would say these words in my life. That my
thunder was stolen by Hobby Silvergate, who I've read for
(25:55):
years and years, because a lot of what he said,
I agree with him. He's obviously a much smarter man
and I'll ever be and knows Harvard much better than.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I ever will.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
But people need to understand too with international students, I
deal with a lot of people from into here in
my business. A they pay full freight to come here, yep,
they pay, they had no help. And B these as
people disappear, Like in the liquor inconvenience business. It's been
getting killed since Trump has been office because a lot
of these people aren't going out because some of them
(26:24):
on here legally. They're afraid that I know somebody whose
daughter had a violation on a kicket very well to do,
wealthy Indian family that owns a lot of businesses in Boston.
Because of that, her visa is in jeopardy. No, I
don't understand the laws as to why. But this is
all not it's just it's it's just a complete waste
(26:45):
of time. The whole cut of thing bothers me. I
am trying to hold out hope that at some point
Saudi Arabia has to help us figure out Israel and
Palestine and say y'all going here, y'all going here, we
promise there'll be no Arab aggression. Maybe that's what he's
trying to do.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I think what he's trying to do, I think, and
I'll disagree with my good friend Harvey silver Clay. I
do know that from Trump's perspective, he sees the world
from his perspective and what's in it for him. But
I do think that he has an understanding, just a
(27:25):
fundamental understanding of the importance of the name of the
state of Israel and what it represents historically, you know, biblically,
I mean all of that, all of that. It's a
very special place. It has a history. I spent the
day at Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six. Not that it
changed my view. My dad had lectured us as kids
(27:48):
World War II veteran never forget, never again. I mean
it was it was imprinted on my mind. The smartest
kids who I went to high school with were Jewish kids.
And you know, it's yes, you know, I gotta tell you.
I mean, it's it's it's true. But but the point
is it's pretty clear who the good guys and the
(28:09):
bad guys are in the Middle East, and and the
israelis the good guys. They didn't stay.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
This generation is more to lunch than our generation was.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well, they didn't. It wasn't Israel that attacked Tamas on
October seventh, and and Trump, if you go back to
the first Trump presidency, the Arab Accords was an effort
to basically get some of the kind of rational Arab
states to come around and say, look, Israel exists and
(28:41):
we're going to deal with it. And you have Yemeny Yemen,
with their backing from Iran firing rockets into Saudi Arabia.
I think that Saudi Arabia might come around even is
what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, they're coming around in a lot of other ways too,
because the world has changed and money makes the world
go around.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's absolutely there's real money at stake.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
And you know, like I say, with my daughter all
the time, as bright as she is, much smarter than me,
better student, we did not push back when the older
generation the way that this generation does even were aarguan
something on Mother's Day and I was clearly right. She's like, yet,
I don't want to occu on Mother's Day. And then
she texted me the next day like twenty five PowerPoint slides.
(29:22):
I go, sweetheart, I've lived a lot more life than you.
I love it yet, it's the best thing.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
In my life.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I'm beyond proud of you. You haven't lived enough life yet.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I have a daughter too. I have a daughter too. Okay, yes,
we'll just leave it.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
At that dead Yes, yes, sir, enjoy the show is always.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Thank you very much, thanks so much for calling. I've
called more off and will you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Let's keep going here with the conversation. We're having a
fun tonight. Let me go to my friend Susan and Cambridge.
Susan and I normally disagree, but there may be some
some threat of agreement here, Go ahead, Susan.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Yeah, there may be, but I just I got to
chuckle out of that. Twenty five power points flies. That's
a good one.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh yeah, I assume you could probably pull one of
those together pretty quickly too, Go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Did you happen to hear Representative Lynch's comments today?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I did.
Speaker 7 (30:19):
Yeah, they were on DZ, and I don't think i've
ever heard him so exasperated. He used every four letter
word that he's allowed to use, you know, in the media.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
But let me ask you this, Steve, I've always said
that I felt Steve Lynch was the along with Seth Moulton.
They are, and they are two solid members of the delegation.
They would be my two favorite Democrats. May not be
your two favorite Democrats. But today you're going to be
(30:52):
quoting Steve Lynch, so go right ahead.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Well, I was just going to point out that, you know,
he's no, you know, far far lefty. Of course, I'm
pretty sure he wasn't educated at Harvard.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
He's still oh absolutely no, I'm just saying that he's not,
you know, he's not coming to you know, Harvard's sense
because of that, you know, and what I liked is
that he spoke to to be honest, like, you know,
I don't really care about.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
What political capital Trump is expending on this, Like I'm
not I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in what
Lynch was saying, which is the stuff that he is
destroying right now, like in terms of the sciences and
people coming here and doing research and and pulling funding
in the midst of clinical trials. I mean, that's just
(31:41):
economically stupid. That's just a waste.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That was what Lynch said today. And I understand that,
and I agree with that. I have a different view
a little bit, so I give you a chance to
take a shot at me. I want Donald Trump to succeed, Okay,
I want Donald Trump to be a good president. I
want the federal debt to be brought down. I want
the border secure, I want the United States to have
(32:08):
a better standing in the world. And I think that
the craziness of talking about invading Greenland or taking over Greenland,
or taking over part of Canada basically expends political capital.
I would have liked to have seen whoever the president
has succeeded, what Democrat or Republican, And I just I
(32:29):
hope you feel that way, not that you support his policies,
but when any president is undercutting their own policies, and
I can't think of any president who has undercut their
policies more in both terms than Donald Trump. All it
means is we will have a president who will be
(32:51):
an ineffective president, which hurts all of us, right, I.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Mean past his prologue. We saw that to a certain
extent in his first and this time. You know, as
many have said, the guardrails are off. He's got, you know,
all the sycophants he wants around him, nobody to you know,
take him aside, you know, and I mean supposedly. The
reporting is that within within the White House, Stephen Miller
(33:18):
and a group of a's are like intent on taking
down Harvard, like destroying it. Basically, I don't understand not
going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen.
But I don't understand how they think that that serves America.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
I mean, I don't need yeah and an agreement.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But by the way, I do think that many of
the appointments of Trump in his cabinet in the second term.
I think Marco Rubio is a good Secretary of State appointment. Okay.
I think that, uh, the Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy is
going to do a much better job than Pete Boudhajet.
(34:01):
I think that our transportation system, particularly our airline system,
will be in much better shape when Duffy ends his
four years as Transportation Secretary than it was when Budajet
Butajet was asleep at the switch. You cannot convince me
of that, Susan. Okay, So are there are some appointments
that he's made that are good appointments. Stephen Miller is
(34:24):
not a good person to have in your in either
your kitchen cabinet or in your close close circle.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
We agree on that, Yes, I would push back a
bit on the Buddha sucks because they did. He did
go to Congress asking for more funding for the FAA
and was turned down flat.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Didn't he have a Didn't he have a democratic Congress?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
He didn't?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
He he did initially, but sure he had a democratic
He had a democratic Congress in twenty twenty one when
Joe Biden went into office, and our the planes that
you fly on and the planes that I fly on
and that your family flies on, we're not as safe
as they should be. And I don't care whether it's
(35:10):
a Democrat or.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Republic focus on the initially was on the effects of
the pandemic on the you know, the airspace and transportation industry.
And so once he got past that, many times.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You make an excuses, Susan, I'm telling.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
You what happened.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I know what about Congress.
Speaker 7 (35:29):
They did go, you can look at look at the record.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
He did go.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Then he did a fabulous job. And he then let's
let's agree that Pete Buddha Chet was the greatest transportation
secretary in our history, and that all the problems with
the planes right now are our Duffy's problems because he's
been in office now about one hundred days.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
Come on, So I didn't say that.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I didn't know, but you're not saying it.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But you're okay, all right, Hey, look I got I
don't want to fight with you. This is the night
I wanted to to have some some areas of a
agreement with you. So sorry, if I took the conversation
off in a different direction, I got to run because
they got two more I gotta get to We'll talk again,
and next time we'll fight like cats and dogs. Okay, thanks,
all right, all right, coming back on night Side right after.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
This night with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I love Susan. She's a friend of mine, even though
we disagree in a lot of things, but today we
have some agreement. Hey, let me go to my pal
Dallas in Ohio. Dallas, Welcome, How are you?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yes? How you doing?
Speaker 8 (36:32):
Dan?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Hello to you and hello Boston and WBZ. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
I I really think that President Trump should back down
on Harvard. I don't understand, you know, what the anks is,
you know, was he.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Does. He has some kind of been vindictive attitude towards
Harvard that you know.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
It's like if you if you're the toughest guy in
this in the town Dallas, and you can beat anyone
up on a one on one fight, you don't go
into a bar inside of fight with five people simultaneously
because you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Get your No, you don't, but.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He I don't know, you know, it's like, okay, you
got Harvard, you know, and then he's back and forth
with the tariff, you know, and then for a while,
you know, he wants to get Canada and Greenland, and
I mean, you know, you know, if you know, I'm
gonna put it this way. He's not careful. The enemy
(37:46):
is going to sneak in the back door, and you
know that's gonna end up being a disaster for the
United States. I think there's too much distraction, too much
going on. He needs to really focus on. Uh you know, Uh,
(38:09):
he's got.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
He's got everything going for him. You know, he won
an election. People were supporting. He was getting a second chance.
Americans love a comeback story. They love a second a
guy that comes back. You know, some quarterback who gets
hurt and they think his career is over, and next
he's winning into the super Bowl. Uh. They America loves that.
They love that. Yeah, and he's just he's he's gonna
(38:32):
blow it if he doesn't watch himself. Dallas, I gotta
get one more in body. How's everything an Akron? Okay?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Hey, just fine, just fine. I just wish it would
stop raining.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Well, we got rain up here too. Happy Memorial Day.
Everybody talks. Soon have a great one. I'm gonna get
Peter in New York in here, Peter, You're gonna you're
gonna wrap it up. You're you're called late. I've got
a break for the eleven o'clock news. You got the
you got the microphone, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
You know I can't stand Trump. I think he's a
as Rex Tillison said, and Effie moron, and I know
what he's doing. He has those scruples, as Harvey said.
And I know him from the time of him, from
the time he's a kid. His trainer, his personal trainer
(39:27):
was Roy Cohen. Is anybody worse than Roy Cohen.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Roy Cone, not Roy Cohen, Roy Cone, Roy Cohen.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Yeah, right, the guy from the McCarthy here is and
everything he does is a test. Look, he's still jerking
around with the tariffs. He has no idea what he's doing.
As somebody I heard talk say, he's a bomb thrower.
He throws the bomb in and then takes on the fight.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
He loves it.
Speaker 9 (39:57):
He has no scroup, as Harvey said, he has no scruples.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
All right, you got the final word of the hour, Peter,
thanks so much. You got to call earlier.
Speaker 9 (40:07):
I love your calls, but I believe people have to
read by Roy Cohne.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
They're too young.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Well, no people can read. They if they can read
up on George Washington. You know it's like people, they're
not they're not too young to read history, you know
as well as I do. Thanks Pete, Thank you, Peter.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Thanks good great talks.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Talk to you soon. Goodnight. Okay, Uh, Jack and Newton,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
If you want to hold on for the twentieth hour,
you can, but we got to go to the twentieth hour.
I'm gonna give you three options. Remember somebody of Memorial Day.
You could salute a vet uh in that regard, uh,
your first concert or your biggest regret.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's kind of a multiple choice twentieth hour. We'll be
back on Night's side.
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