September 30, 2025 • 38 mins
Monday, President Trump presented Israel and Hamas with a 20-point peace deal to end the ongoing war in Gaza. Israeli has accepted the deal, as Trump gives Hamas 3-4 days to accept the offer. Part of the deal includes an immediate release of all hostages, the demilitarization of Gaza, decommission the military capabilities of Hamas, and destruction of all tunnel infrastructure among other things. What happens if Hamas does not accept the peace deal?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Costs Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, let's move to our next topic of the night.
I really thought last hour was really interesting because there
were five good callers, including David, who just tried to
take the conversation in a different way. And my great
appreciation of Jeff Tacoby at the Boston Globe. And again
that that's an easy subscription. Those of you who like
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to read thoughtful pieces, just go to Globe dot com.
Slash arguable. The word arguable a R g U A
b l E. If I'm small, I think I'm spelling
it correctly. Arguable. So yesterday at the White House was
I thought. There's been a lot of events at the
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White House in the last few weeks, a lot of
events at the White House in the last couple of days,
the last few days, and of course we're monitoring the
the government shutdown, which seems more and more to be
certain that we wake up in the morning the federal
government will have shut down, and we'll probably talk about
that tomorrow night. There's not much we can talk about
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it tonight until it happens. There have been plenty of
opportunities for the government to shut down in the last
few years. We have a sharply divided government Democrats and
Republicans in Washington. But we'll deal with that tomorrow night.
I want to deal with the conversation and the news
conference that was held at the White House yesterday with
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President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo. We are
coming up on the second anniversary of October seventh, which
was a horrific day in human history. That horrific day
in human history now has led to two years of
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war in the Middle East. The groups around the Middle
East who would pledge to destroy Israel today, two years
after October seventh, find Israel in a much stronger position
militarily and diplomatically than they ever could have imagined. Hezbollah
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has virtually been wiped out in Lebanon, the Hooties have
taken quite a beating in Yemen. Asad has now left Syria.
His regime which was inultiably opposed to the governments of Israel,
whatever of whatever type. Asad now I believe, is in
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exile in Russia, protected by Putin's gangsters. This and of
course Hamas has suffered incredible losses, credible losses that they
never could have imagined when they attacked that music festival.
In the early morning hours of October seventh, twenty twenty three,
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yesterday at the White House, Benjamin Nya and President Donald
Trump stood side by side and and I think what
they essentially did, and I'll be interested in your thought
on this, I think that they essentially laid out a
plan for certainly peace the end of the Israeli Palestinian
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more importantly, the Israeli Hamas conflict. This was never a
fight with the Palestinians, in my opinion, it was a
fight with Hamas. After Hamas had tried literally to and
successfully slaughtered Jews on that Saturday morning, slaughtered them in
their beds, slaughtered them, you know, early Saturday morning, as
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they were young people were enjoying themselves. Music festival, took
hundreds hostage. Many of those who were hostage in captivity
died or were killed. Hamas is a horrific organization, and
they now have been pummeled by Israel, and rightfully so. Unfortunately,
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there have been obviously innocent lives lost. But I think
that the proposal that President Trump has put forward is
an interesting proposal because I think, in my opinion, Donald
Trump and Benjamin who are playing the roles of the
good cop and the bad cop. And I think most
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of you understand what I mean by that, in that
Donald Trump is able to stand up with his proposal
for an end to the hostilities in Hamas, to stop
the bombing, stop the bloodshed, stop the death of innocent
gosins of innocent palace, the the same time Benjamin Nett
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Yahoo stands there with him. Donald Trump has given Hamas
a deadline. It's a little unclear, but I think it's
no longer than seventy two or ninety six hours at
the utmost the outside and when Donald Trump gave Iran
a deadline, he had a plan once that deadline was ignored.
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As a matter of fact, I think that he executed
his plan technically before the deadline had lapsed or had expired,
and he took out Iran's nuclear program their capability so
effectively that Iran it will take years for Iran to
come back. They are now trying to work a deal
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with who else, Russia, where Russia will provide them with
some nuclear startup capabilities. We'll have to see where that goes.
I just want to play a couple of the sound bites.
And then I'd like to get you in on this.
This is this is cut number thirty three. This is
President Trump talking about a peace deal in the Middle East.
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Cut thirty three.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But if accepted by Hamas's proposal calls for the release
of all remaining hostages immediately, but in no case more
than seventy two hours.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So the hostages are coming back. And I hate even
saying this from the same point doesn't sound right, but
it is so important to the parents the bodies of
the young men. I believe in almost all cases, the
young men are coming back immediately. I met with parents,
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and parents felt as strongly about getting there the body
of their dead boy back as they did, is though
the boy were alive, and well, it's so important to him.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So again, President Trump, always when he is off script,
he tends to amplify. But what was key about that
seventy two hours? Meanwhile, net in Yahoo is very clear
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in what will happen if Hamas rejects this plan, and
by the way, the plan also will allow. What is
best in it for Hamas is that the leadership or
whatever is left of the leadership of Hamas will be
given an opportunity to relocate elsewhere in the Middle East.
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They are going to continue, obviously to go after Israel
in some form or fashion, but they will not be
able to do it from Kaza. So this is Israeli
Prime Minister net Yahoo Cut thirty seven, please Rob.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
But if Hamas rejects your plan, mister President, or if
they supposedly accept it and then then basically do everything
to counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself.
This can be done the easy way, or it can
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be done the hard way, but it will be done.
We prefer the easy way, but it has to be done.
All these goals must be achieved because we didn't fight
this horrible fight, sacrifice the finest of our young men,
to have Hamas stay in Gaza and threaten us again
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and again and again with these horrific massacres.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Okay, here's what I am convinced of. I am convinced that,
first of all, I think there is actually call me
and I call me naive, but I think that there
is actually a possibility that Hamas will agree to this.
I don't think they have much choice. I don't think
they have much choice. Now, again, they are horrible human beings.
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There's no question about that, okay, And any American who
is demonstrating in the streets of America in support of Hamas,
as far as I'm concerned, either is totally ignorant of
what this organization is all about, or they are some
sort of Hammas supporter, because you cannot come to any
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understanding of what went on on October seventh and support Hamas.
In my opinion, so my sense is that Hamas, when
faced with the certainty of Israel coming in and finishing
the job, I don't know, they want to die with
their boots on. I think that they would prefer to
survive and live to fight another day. In my opinion.
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Now it could be wrong. I'm not even sure if
Israel knows who the leadership of Hamas is. At this point,
they have wiped out so many of these bad actors.
If that happens, Donald Trump will be able to point
with some pride of authorship of him basically bringing this
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horrific chapter to a close. And part of that is
apparently he put Prime Minister Yahoo on the phone from
the White House with the leadership of Cutter, which Israel
hit with a rocket a couple of weeks ago. In
an effort to wipe out the Hamas negotiators. So I
think that if Hamas is insane, and if they are
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crazy and they decide to reject this deal, or even
if they decide to come back and say, well, we're
kind of in agreement, but we'd like to renegotiate point
seven and point eleven, you know, pick an number, and
I think that will be seen by Israel as an
absolutely unacceptable delay tactic. And at that point, I think
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the dogs will be released and Israel will be able
to go in and do whatever they want and clean
it up. That's why I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that Hamas
sees the light here and they might be able to
view it not as a surrender, but apparently they would
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be allowed to leave. And in addition to that, they
would not have to face any criminal chargers for what
went on. And look, the fact of the matters, most
of the leadership of Hamas is dead. So I'd like
to get a conversation going. Have we reached that point
in the Middle East where this ugly chapter of the
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Hamas attack of October seventh is about to be ended?
It will probably continue on in another form, in another
fashion in another time, at in another place. But I'm hopeful.
I'm hopeful, particularly for the people of Palestine, that the
fighting can stop. I'd love to know what you think.
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Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. In my opinion, this military
engagement is either over or about to be over, because
I don't think net Nyahu will mess around with this.
And again, if we count from yesterday twenty four hours down,
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maybe another forty eight at most to go, I don't
think this is going to continue in a state of
suspended animation. Join the conversation six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one
ten thirty. Hats off to Israel for getting up off
the mat from that horrible morning and basically wiping out
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so much of the leadership of the various groups that
are dedicated and are still dedicated to the destruction of
the state of Israel. We're back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
The other question that I have is if this proposal works,
will people be willing to give Donald Trump credit for
it working. Let's get going. Let me start off with
Lawrence in Jamaica playing Lawrence, welcome you first this hour
on Nightside.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Good evening, Dan. My involvement with Israel dates back to
nineteen sixty six sixty seven as an Air Force officer
giving them in training and combined operations yep, that is
air ground operations. And my wife, my late wife, who
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was the chief nurse executive at Beth Israel Hofo here
in Boston. Her name was Joyce Clip had a relationship
with the early medical Services over the years under the
direction of Mitchell Rapkin. And so I and I just
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want to say to you that in the current situation
mister Trump's administration and mister Nahu who stood next to him,
we do not have a sexually estate with the competents
of George Marshall or or Dean Atchison, which goes back
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to the Truman administration.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah. Well, I think Rubio is a pretty pretty solid guy.
I don't know what you think of Rubio, but I
don't think much of it really. Okay, we could disagree there,
but go ahead.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
And I until the level of competence can be reinserted somehow,
I think that you know and don't no misunderstand me.
I truly hope that you're correct that what you witnessed
here in the last day or so with mister Netta
and and UH President Trump UH will come forward. I
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would hope, be hopeful if that could be that way,
But I don't think so, because I don't think they
have the competence people around them to get that done.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, let me ask you this. Let me let me
ask you, Okay, putting aside the competence of the individuals,
you know, I believe that Netanya, who is prepared to
do whatever he has to do militarily, if Hamas has
not complied with this proposal, Okay, If if you were,
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let's say, in the position of power, and I know
that you have military background, no knowing, having some sense,
I guess of how leadleless Hamas is at this point.
They've lost a lot of their leaders, as well as
the other groups Hespolah and Hutis, et cetera. What what
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would you what would you propose if Netanya who said,
you know, hey, Lawrence, we know your military background. What
do you think I should do here?
Speaker 7 (16:24):
What?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How do you see this playing out? I'm just kind
of curious because you have that experience, and I would
really be interested in how you think this could best
play out.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I think it would. I think as you said here previously,
I think it would continue to go on. Maybe not
at the same level initially, but it would. It would
return to a pretty significant level of disagreement and things
that happened. I mean between nineteen forty seven and now, Dan,
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there has been so much awfulness between the Palestinians and
the Israelis.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's really between Hamas and the Israelis. I think that
the way we we frame if we see it as
a war between Palace, between Israel and Palestine. I don't
think they israel Is concerned about the Palestinians. I think
they're concerned about Hamas. It wasn't the Palestinians who who
killed twelve hundred Jews and took a two hundred and
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fifty more into captivity on October seventh. It was Amaas.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Oh yes. But in terms of the disagreement between the
Palestinian and the Israli community, it goes back that may
five years.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh. Absolutely, there's been four wars, no doubt, no question.
And you probably what.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I'm trying to say to you is until a president
of the United States with the competence of a Machrel
or Dean Atchison or Curtis Lame. Uh, you're not going
to get anything done.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, guess what. Let's let's talk about this next week
and see if anything transpires. I I think that they
put put a real tight time limit on them. Let's
see what happens if if nothing happens a week from by,
a week from now, I think you have every right
to call me back and see I told you, Dan,
nothing was going to happen. I think by hookah by
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crook to Hamas's days in Gaza are numbered. That's my
thoughts that well may be.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah, I don't dis agree with you. There that will be.
But the different they'll be. There'll be another group sure
that will argue with the Israelis. That's the same level
they've been agnual in since President Truman acknowledged it is
reelould be a state.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
No, I agree, I agree with you. Okay, there are
people over there who just don't tolerate, they don't want
Israel to exist. I totally agree with you. I think
the point you're making and that we're they're never going
to have a comeby your moment, which is why I
think Israel has to do what they have to do
to wipe out not only Hamas, but anyone else who
comes to take their place. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
And you're going to expect the Israelis to behave differently
to the Palestinian community.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Oh, I think the Israelis will will behave very differently
in my opinion, Lawrence, to the Palestinian community. They have
offered the Palestinian authority on several occasions over the last
over the last few decades, an opportunity to establish their own,
their own space. Uh. They they they allowed the Palestinian
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authority to to take over the West Bank. They allowed
the creation of of Gaza. Uh. And unfortunately, the Palestinian
people elected Hamas and I think it was two thousand
and five and there have never been another election in Gaza.
So I don't know what the Palestine. I think the
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Palestinians are going to be happy to be rid of
a Maas. Maybe I'm a starry eyed idolist here, Lawrence.
I hope I'm not, and I hope you're wrong, But
but let's see, let us see. Look, you know, for
all those folks you mentioned, Dean Atchinson, and those guys
they they had there, They had plenty of screw ups
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when they were running the State Department. George Marshall was
the exception. Marshall rebuilt Europe and that was a time
when when nobody could stand up to America. Dean Acherson,
you know, played a role in the run up to Vietnam.
I mean, I don't know that I would put Dean
Atchinson in the state of the state.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
He was the last thing government January twentieth, nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, I remember Atchinson having influence beyond nineteen fifty three.
But I'll double check. I'll double check you in that,
and if I'm wrong, I'll acknowledge that. Lawrence, I'm way
past my break here on my newscast. Thanks for getting
the conversation going.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
May I say one last thing to you, sfore you
really go off with that storry eyed feeling, go and
live in Israel for a month.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I've never lived in Israel. Okay, for a day, for
a day, I don't I honest, I'm not gonna be
s u. I don't have the time. If I said
to my radio station, I'm gonna go live in Israel
for a month, They're gonna say, who's gonna do your
talk show? Okay, So I do not have that experience.
You probably have that experience, but I would. I would
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be a lot more comfortable living under the Israeli government
in Israel that I would be living in Gaza on
the hem Us under the rule of Amas. Let me
put it like that.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
I mean, hamasten come out of come out of the
blue sky, and in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No, they came. They came out of centuries of hatred
towards towards the Jewish people, and and hatred that intensified
when the United Nations and President Truman authorized the establishment
of Israel in May of nineteen forty eight. All right, Lawrence,
thank you, thank you. I got to run. Thank you
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so much. Good night. All right. If you want to
agree with Lawrence, that's fine, that's fine. If you want
to agree with me, I'd love to hear from you.
Six either way. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven, nine thirty. I believe that yesterday was
a moment in time where Hamas now knows the clock
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is sticking. And that's a good thing. That's a good thing.
And I think President Trump and Yahoo joined at the
hip here in their relationship with the Maas. They've had
it with the Maas, the world has had it with Hamas.
Let's Hamas leave Gaza. Uh let them reconstitute somewhere else.
Israel will deal with them in the future. But in
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my opinion, if Hamas chooses not to leave Gaza, it
will be the end of Hamas one way or the other.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Will be back on Nightside
after this.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
By the way, I am just following up real quickly
here and not to contradict my my friend Lawrence who
called this is from the U. The official Biographies of
the Secretaries of State Dean Atchison eighteen ninety three to
nineteen seventy one Office of the Historian the Department of State,
and they write about Russ Russ or rather not Dean Russ.
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Deane Atchison. He did serve as a Secretary of State
and left when Harry Truman went home to Independence, Missouri.
They right here. Atchison continued to have influence on US
foreign policy after leaving the Department of State. During the
Kennedy administration, Atchison sat on the Executive Committee created to
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address the Cuban missile crisis. Later in the decade, Atchison
served as an advisor to Lyndon B. Johnson President Lyndon
Johnson's administration on how to disengage from the war in Vietnam.
Atchison died at the age of seventy eight in nineteen
seventy one. Lindon Johnson didn't do too much on disengaging
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in Vietnam. Johnson, if anything, was the person who increased
when John Kennedy was assassinate and we had sixteen thousand
troops in Vietnam. When John Hunsen retired after the nineteen
sixty eight election and chose not to run, there are
half a million US troops in Vietnam. So if Atchison
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was an advisor to Linda Johnson on how to disengage
from the war in Vietnam, I don't think that his
advice had much of an impact. Again, I'm interested here.
I have thrown this out and I would love to
hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six, one seven ninety Do you share the hope
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that I share based upon the news conference yesterday at
the White House with President Trump and Prime Minister net
and Yahoo that Hamas is about is facing a big
decision either comply with this peace deal or stand and
fight to the last man dies. Jack is a Newton
Jack next on Nightsiger, right ahead?
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Yeah, how to do on Jack Porter? Hey, Jack, I'm
trying to work for peace for sixty years. I remember
something that I'll be even once say that the Palestinians
never lose an opportunity, to lose an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, they never. I think it was that Palestinians never
miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity. So what I
think it's the same point.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Well, the thing is that here, at least the moderate
of Robas, you know, has agreed to an opportunity. But
the problems we're dealing with Hamas. It's a suicidal, self
destructive organization. They've got tremendous destructions of their own people,
and I don't know if they'll give up their guns.
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And that's why there's never been peace. I mean, you've
had the Protestants made peace with the Catholics in Ireland,
the Hutus made peace with the Tutsis, tout sees. But one,
it's just intractable because of the self destructive nature of
Hamas and FT's bulla. They they would rather destroy themselves
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than accept.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Absolutely, Jack, I mean, they're convinced that when they die,
they're going to go to heaven and have seventy two
virgins or whatever the deal is. This is what and
they hate. They hate Israel, they hate the Jewish state.
They hate the fact that Israel has been in existence
and has has grown and developed as not only as
a political power, but as an economic power, and it's
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a military power. And look, the last two years have
been great for Israel in terms of they were asleep
at the switch on October seventh. I thought that Netanyahu's
government might have fallen if some sort of a vote
of confidence was taken because they were asleep at the
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switch for that attack to have occurred. But this country
has an indomitable spirit that we in this country could use.
And I know that it's a democracy and there's different
points of view, Jack, and I know that you don't
agree with everything that BB that Nyia who has ever done,
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But I think your points are well taken here. Hamas
wants to destroy Israel, Israel is the size of the
state of New Jersey on a continent that is larger
the United States. It's a little strip of land. And
all Israel wants to do is survive. It's fourteen million
people and they were surrounded by company by countries that
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invaded them Syria and in Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon.
All of these these countries either harbored terrorist organizations or
their own military invaded them in forty eight and sixty
seven and seventy three. They are remarkable nation, a remarkable nation.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
I that's what I agreed at the one hundred percent
thinking is that who is going to in forest? What
if you have there's entity of this peace board of
on Gaza. Who is going to any of the Palestinians
from Rama. Where's the police force, Where's the army force
that's going to do that? Hamas has an argistential decision
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that age has to give up its arms or else
they'll never you know, they'll be totally destroyed. So this
is a real, you know, logistical and practical issue here.
Who is going to protect the modern Palestinian leadership or
whoever leads Gaza from Hamas? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, well again there is a zero point fourteen says
a guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure
that Hamas and the factions comply with their obligations and
the new Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors. The
US zero point fifteen will work with Arab and international
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partners develop a temporary international stabilization fund to immediately deploy
to Gaza.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
A lot about the actual soldiers or police that will
actually be there and lists well.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Let me let me finish, let me let me finish
reading the plan. This International Stabilization Force will train and
prove and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza,
and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive
experience in the field. The force will be a long
term internal security solution. The Internal Security Force will work
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with Israel in Egypt to help secure border areas along
with the newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical
to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the
rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza.
A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.
There is some meet to this, to this plan that
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President Trump announced yesterday. Now the first step has to
be Hamas saying we will agree, we will agree, uh
and and we will leave and they will get safe
passage out of Hamas, out of Gaza. I should say
to whatever Arab country will have them. I'm not sure
what Arab country wants Hamas.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I agree. You're right, that's why the thing has been
almost impossible to bring to Furlish in all these decades.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, I agree with you. I agree with you. But look,
this seems to me to be a clean effort. It's
the time for negotiations are over. I think that was
very clear. This is the deal that Israel and the
Trump administration is presenting to Hamas. Hamas either accepts it
or they deal with the consequences, which will be Israel unchained.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
Yeah, I agree. I wonder who put this together. It's
very sophisticated, very sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The Trump administration, in conjunction.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
With this rule will put this together.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, I'm not surprised that. That's why my friend Lawrence
was not a big fan of Marco Rubio. I assume
that the office of the Secretary of State would have
had to have been consulted by the Trump administration. I'm
sure those stories will come out, particularly if it is successful.
Jack is always great to hear your voice. Thank you
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very much on this. You and I are are absolutely
we got each other's.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Backs, right. I don't have a happy new year, you.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Too, my friend. Absolutely a sweet and happy new year
for you and yours. Okay, thank you, Okay, thanks, all right,
I'm going to take a quick break here. I've got
only a few minutes left in this hour. This is
clearly not a subject that most people want to talk about.
Maybe it's too new. Okay, that's fine, if you have
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a thought on this. I think that this is an
innovative proposal, and I think it's also a proposal that
is backed up by this sort of good cop bad
cop situation. And I don't mean to reduce it to simplicity,
but Donald Trump is kind of playing the good cop, saying, okay,
here's what we can do. Here's a little bit of
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a little bit for Hamas, and then NETNYA is saying
we can do it the easy way of the hard way.
So it's like you're sitting in the station house with
a good cop and a bad cap and one cop
is saying, look, you know you're not gonna be well,
You're not gonna go to jail, but you got to
give up whatever, and you've got some tough decisions to make. Well.
Hamas has some tough decisions to make, thank God, Thank God,
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and hopefully they do the right thing in the interest
of the godsen people. I don't think that will be
their motivation. I will think they will do the right
I hope they will do the right thing in the
in the interest of their own self survival, because if not,
I think that Israel is ready to go in there
and wipe them all out, every last one of them.
They can find. It will be difficult. But I think Netanya,
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who has lost his patience, and when he says, we
can do it the easy way of the hard way, Hamas,
if you're listening, you got to you gotta be smart here.
You gotta be smart, okay, because if not, it's gonna
end badly, and it's gonna end badly quickly, quickly. Seventy
two maybe ninety six hours I heard the President say today,
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just look back as to what happened to Iran when
they decided to not comply with a deadline that President
Trump strongly suggested six one seven, two four thirty six
one seven, nine three, one ten thirty. I love this topic,
I love my audience, and I hope you'll join the conversation.
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If not, we will talk about this. I'll talk about
it until eleven and we'll move on to something else
after the eleven o'clock news. We're coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So we're talking about the Middle East, talking about Israel,
talking about the proposed peace plan that was enveiled at
the White House yesterday by both President Trump and Prime
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who leaving no doubt about
where the Trump administration stands on Israel. And I'm and
the cowardly attack that Hamas inflicted on the nation of
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Israel on October seventh, twenty twenty three. Let's I think
that Hamas be better understand that that there are days
in Gaza are numbered. And if you disagree, you're more
than welcome to call. Let me go to Matt and Brighton. Matt,
welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Hey, Dan pootball as well, you know, for the in
terms of the time and his plan. You know, look,
I I think, honestly, in a slight diversion, I think
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that President Trump, who I in many respects agree with
on a lot of stuff, this is just one of
his moves to try and be a you know, play
the part, if you will.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Play the part of what matt a peace maker? Well,
but I'm just trying to get you.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
To tell me what you think you're going to answer
the question.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
I think that, yes, play the part of a peacemaker.
But you know how many times had President Trump on
this subject also had debacles with Prime Minister Yahoo. I
think that in this debacle, why.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Why are you calling this a debacle? They announced a
peace plan. They basically have said to Hamas, they have
put a figurative gun to the Temple of Hamas and
said you better take this and and you're lucky. You're
going to be able to leave and go to find
some Arab state where you might be able to live
and uh maybe uh or or Benjamin not and Yahoo
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is gonna let the IDEF go in and clean it up.
I think it's well, I think it's a pretty interesting
proposal and if Hamas doesn't pay attention, they may have
the same fate as the Iranian nuclear program.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
And I agree with that, and you know how, or
you maybe because personally you know me and I call
it very often, you know how I feel, and as how,
I think I might.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Know how you feel, Matt. But you know, in order
to be a really good caller, what you got to
do is tell my audience how you feel. You can
disagree with me if you want, I'll go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Okay, Well, I think it's going to happen, is that
this is going to turn into people who are going
to stay and say that they are part of Kamosa,
are not going to leave no matter what happens. No
matter what the IVF wants to try and do, the
IDF is going to walk through and blow it down,
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and they easily can and will. But in this situation,
Trump does not want it to happen because he wants
to be able to get both sides of the aisle
on this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Okay, Matt, you've confused me totally, but thank you for
your call. Nonetheless, I still don't know what your position is,
but guess what it's the eleven o'clock news, So I
gotta say good night. For next time, just pull your
thoughts together. I still don't know where you're coming from,
but I do appreciate your calling. Nonetheless, thank you, my friend.
Have a good one. You know what, if you want
to talk about this, we can talk about it after
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the eleven. If not, we'll change topics. If it's too
deep for my audience, that's fine. We can go to
an ease of your topic, coming back right after the
eleven on night's side. Our final hour of this, our
eighteenth year. Let's make it strong.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Costs Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, let's move to our next topic of the night.
I really thought last hour was really interesting because there
were five good callers, including David, who just tried to
take the conversation in a different way. And my great
appreciation of Jeff Tacoby at the Boston Globe. And again
that that's an easy subscription. Those of you who like
(00:30):
to read thoughtful pieces, just go to Globe dot com.
Slash arguable. The word arguable a R g U A
b l E. If I'm small, I think I'm spelling
it correctly. Arguable. So yesterday at the White House was
I thought. There's been a lot of events at the
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White House in the last few weeks, a lot of
events at the White House in the last couple of days,
the last few days, and of course we're monitoring the
the government shutdown, which seems more and more to be
certain that we wake up in the morning the federal
government will have shut down, and we'll probably talk about
that tomorrow night. There's not much we can talk about
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it tonight until it happens. There have been plenty of
opportunities for the government to shut down in the last
few years. We have a sharply divided government Democrats and
Republicans in Washington. But we'll deal with that tomorrow night.
I want to deal with the conversation and the news
conference that was held at the White House yesterday with
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President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahoo. We are
coming up on the second anniversary of October seventh, which
was a horrific day in human history. That horrific day
in human history now has led to two years of
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war in the Middle East. The groups around the Middle
East who would pledge to destroy Israel today, two years
after October seventh, find Israel in a much stronger position
militarily and diplomatically than they ever could have imagined. Hezbollah
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has virtually been wiped out in Lebanon, the Hooties have
taken quite a beating in Yemen. Asad has now left Syria.
His regime which was inultiably opposed to the governments of Israel,
whatever of whatever type. Asad now I believe, is in
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exile in Russia, protected by Putin's gangsters. This and of
course Hamas has suffered incredible losses, credible losses that they
never could have imagined when they attacked that music festival.
In the early morning hours of October seventh, twenty twenty three,
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yesterday at the White House, Benjamin Nya and President Donald
Trump stood side by side and and I think what
they essentially did, and I'll be interested in your thought
on this, I think that they essentially laid out a
plan for certainly peace the end of the Israeli Palestinian
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more importantly, the Israeli Hamas conflict. This was never a
fight with the Palestinians, in my opinion, it was a
fight with Hamas. After Hamas had tried literally to and
successfully slaughtered Jews on that Saturday morning, slaughtered them in
their beds, slaughtered them, you know, early Saturday morning, as
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they were young people were enjoying themselves. Music festival, took
hundreds hostage. Many of those who were hostage in captivity
died or were killed. Hamas is a horrific organization, and
they now have been pummeled by Israel, and rightfully so. Unfortunately,
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there have been obviously innocent lives lost. But I think
that the proposal that President Trump has put forward is
an interesting proposal because I think, in my opinion, Donald
Trump and Benjamin who are playing the roles of the
good cop and the bad cop. And I think most
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of you understand what I mean by that, in that
Donald Trump is able to stand up with his proposal
for an end to the hostilities in Hamas, to stop
the bombing, stop the bloodshed, stop the death of innocent
gosins of innocent palace, the the same time Benjamin Nett
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Yahoo stands there with him. Donald Trump has given Hamas
a deadline. It's a little unclear, but I think it's
no longer than seventy two or ninety six hours at
the utmost the outside and when Donald Trump gave Iran
a deadline, he had a plan once that deadline was ignored.
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As a matter of fact, I think that he executed
his plan technically before the deadline had lapsed or had expired,
and he took out Iran's nuclear program their capability so
effectively that Iran it will take years for Iran to
come back. They are now trying to work a deal
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with who else, Russia, where Russia will provide them with
some nuclear startup capabilities. We'll have to see where that goes.
I just want to play a couple of the sound bites.
And then I'd like to get you in on this.
This is this is cut number thirty three. This is
President Trump talking about a peace deal in the Middle East.
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Cut thirty three.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
But if accepted by Hamas's proposal calls for the release
of all remaining hostages immediately, but in no case more
than seventy two hours.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
So the hostages are coming back. And I hate even
saying this from the same point doesn't sound right, but
it is so important to the parents the bodies of
the young men. I believe in almost all cases, the
young men are coming back immediately. I met with parents,
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and parents felt as strongly about getting there the body
of their dead boy back as they did, is though
the boy were alive, and well, it's so important to him.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
So again, President Trump, always when he is off script,
he tends to amplify. But what was key about that
seventy two hours? Meanwhile, net in Yahoo is very clear
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in what will happen if Hamas rejects this plan, and
by the way, the plan also will allow. What is
best in it for Hamas is that the leadership or
whatever is left of the leadership of Hamas will be
given an opportunity to relocate elsewhere in the Middle East.
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They are going to continue, obviously to go after Israel
in some form or fashion, but they will not be
able to do it from Kaza. So this is Israeli
Prime Minister net Yahoo Cut thirty seven, please Rob.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
But if Hamas rejects your plan, mister President, or if
they supposedly accept it and then then basically do everything
to counter it, then Israel will finish the job by itself.
This can be done the easy way, or it can
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be done the hard way, but it will be done.
We prefer the easy way, but it has to be done.
All these goals must be achieved because we didn't fight
this horrible fight, sacrifice the finest of our young men,
to have Hamas stay in Gaza and threaten us again
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and again and again with these horrific massacres.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Okay, here's what I am convinced of. I am convinced that,
first of all, I think there is actually call me
and I call me naive, but I think that there
is actually a possibility that Hamas will agree to this.
I don't think they have much choice. I don't think
they have much choice. Now, again, they are horrible human beings.
(09:14):
There's no question about that, okay, And any American who
is demonstrating in the streets of America in support of Hamas,
as far as I'm concerned, either is totally ignorant of
what this organization is all about, or they are some
sort of Hammas supporter, because you cannot come to any
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understanding of what went on on October seventh and support Hamas.
In my opinion, so my sense is that Hamas, when
faced with the certainty of Israel coming in and finishing
the job, I don't know, they want to die with
their boots on. I think that they would prefer to
survive and live to fight another day. In my opinion.
(10:00):
Now it could be wrong. I'm not even sure if
Israel knows who the leadership of Hamas is. At this point,
they have wiped out so many of these bad actors.
If that happens, Donald Trump will be able to point
with some pride of authorship of him basically bringing this
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horrific chapter to a close. And part of that is
apparently he put Prime Minister Yahoo on the phone from
the White House with the leadership of Cutter, which Israel
hit with a rocket a couple of weeks ago. In
an effort to wipe out the Hamas negotiators. So I
think that if Hamas is insane, and if they are
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crazy and they decide to reject this deal, or even
if they decide to come back and say, well, we're
kind of in agreement, but we'd like to renegotiate point
seven and point eleven, you know, pick an number, and
I think that will be seen by Israel as an
absolutely unacceptable delay tactic. And at that point, I think
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the dogs will be released and Israel will be able
to go in and do whatever they want and clean
it up. That's why I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that Hamas
sees the light here and they might be able to
view it not as a surrender, but apparently they would
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be allowed to leave. And in addition to that, they
would not have to face any criminal chargers for what
went on. And look, the fact of the matters, most
of the leadership of Hamas is dead. So I'd like
to get a conversation going. Have we reached that point
in the Middle East where this ugly chapter of the
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Hamas attack of October seventh is about to be ended?
It will probably continue on in another form, in another
fashion in another time, at in another place. But I'm hopeful.
I'm hopeful, particularly for the people of Palestine, that the
fighting can stop. I'd love to know what you think.
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Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. In my opinion, this military
engagement is either over or about to be over, because
I don't think net Nyahu will mess around with this.
And again, if we count from yesterday twenty four hours down,
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maybe another forty eight at most to go, I don't
think this is going to continue in a state of
suspended animation. Join the conversation six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one
ten thirty. Hats off to Israel for getting up off
the mat from that horrible morning and basically wiping out
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so much of the leadership of the various groups that
are dedicated and are still dedicated to the destruction of
the state of Israel. We're back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
The other question that I have is if this proposal works,
will people be willing to give Donald Trump credit for
it working. Let's get going. Let me start off with
Lawrence in Jamaica playing Lawrence, welcome you first this hour
on Nightside.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Good evening, Dan. My involvement with Israel dates back to
nineteen sixty six sixty seven as an Air Force officer
giving them in training and combined operations yep, that is
air ground operations. And my wife, my late wife, who
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was the chief nurse executive at Beth Israel Hofo here
in Boston. Her name was Joyce Clip had a relationship
with the early medical Services over the years under the
direction of Mitchell Rapkin. And so I and I just
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want to say to you that in the current situation
mister Trump's administration and mister Nahu who stood next to him,
we do not have a sexually estate with the competents
of George Marshall or or Dean Atchison, which goes back
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to the Truman administration.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah. Well, I think Rubio is a pretty pretty solid guy.
I don't know what you think of Rubio, but I
don't think much of it really. Okay, we could disagree there,
but go ahead.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
And I until the level of competence can be reinserted somehow,
I think that you know and don't no misunderstand me.
I truly hope that you're correct that what you witnessed
here in the last day or so with mister Netta
and and UH President Trump UH will come forward. I
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would hope, be hopeful if that could be that way,
But I don't think so, because I don't think they
have the competence people around them to get that done.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, let me ask you this. Let me let me
ask you, Okay, putting aside the competence of the individuals,
you know, I believe that Netanya, who is prepared to
do whatever he has to do militarily, if Hamas has
not complied with this proposal, Okay, If if you were,
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let's say, in the position of power, and I know
that you have military background, no knowing, having some sense,
I guess of how leadleless Hamas is at this point.
They've lost a lot of their leaders, as well as
the other groups Hespolah and Hutis, et cetera. What what
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would you what would you propose if Netanya who said,
you know, hey, Lawrence, we know your military background. What
do you think I should do here?
Speaker 7 (16:24):
What?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
How do you see this playing out? I'm just kind
of curious because you have that experience, and I would
really be interested in how you think this could best
play out.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I think it would. I think as you said here previously,
I think it would continue to go on. Maybe not
at the same level initially, but it would. It would
return to a pretty significant level of disagreement and things
that happened. I mean between nineteen forty seven and now, Dan,
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there has been so much awfulness between the Palestinians and
the Israelis.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It's really between Hamas and the Israelis. I think that
the way we we frame if we see it as
a war between Palace, between Israel and Palestine. I don't
think they israel Is concerned about the Palestinians. I think
they're concerned about Hamas. It wasn't the Palestinians who who
killed twelve hundred Jews and took a two hundred and
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fifty more into captivity on October seventh. It was Amaas.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Oh yes. But in terms of the disagreement between the
Palestinian and the Israli community, it goes back that may
five years.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Oh. Absolutely, there's been four wars, no doubt, no question.
And you probably what.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
I'm trying to say to you is until a president
of the United States with the competence of a Machrel
or Dean Atchison or Curtis Lame. Uh, you're not going
to get anything done.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, guess what. Let's let's talk about this next week
and see if anything transpires. I I think that they
put put a real tight time limit on them. Let's
see what happens if if nothing happens a week from by,
a week from now, I think you have every right
to call me back and see I told you, Dan,
nothing was going to happen. I think by hookah by
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crook to Hamas's days in Gaza are numbered. That's my
thoughts that well may be.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
Yeah, I don't dis agree with you. There that will be.
But the different they'll be. There'll be another group sure
that will argue with the Israelis. That's the same level
they've been agnual in since President Truman acknowledged it is
reelould be a state.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
No, I agree, I agree with you. Okay, there are
people over there who just don't tolerate, they don't want
Israel to exist. I totally agree with you. I think
the point you're making and that we're they're never going
to have a comeby your moment, which is why I
think Israel has to do what they have to do
to wipe out not only Hamas, but anyone else who
comes to take their place. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
And you're going to expect the Israelis to behave differently
to the Palestinian community.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Oh, I think the Israelis will will behave very differently
in my opinion, Lawrence, to the Palestinian community. They have
offered the Palestinian authority on several occasions over the last
over the last few decades, an opportunity to establish their own,
their own space. Uh. They they they allowed the Palestinian
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authority to to take over the West Bank. They allowed
the creation of of Gaza. Uh. And unfortunately, the Palestinian
people elected Hamas and I think it was two thousand
and five and there have never been another election in Gaza.
So I don't know what the Palestine. I think the
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Palestinians are going to be happy to be rid of
a Maas. Maybe I'm a starry eyed idolist here, Lawrence.
I hope I'm not, and I hope you're wrong, But
but let's see, let us see. Look, you know, for
all those folks you mentioned, Dean Atchinson, and those guys
they they had there, They had plenty of screw ups
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when they were running the State Department. George Marshall was
the exception. Marshall rebuilt Europe and that was a time
when when nobody could stand up to America. Dean Acherson,
you know, played a role in the run up to Vietnam.
I mean, I don't know that I would put Dean
Atchinson in the state of the state.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
He was the last thing government January twentieth, nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, I remember Atchinson having influence beyond nineteen fifty three.
But I'll double check. I'll double check you in that,
and if I'm wrong, I'll acknowledge that. Lawrence, I'm way
past my break here on my newscast. Thanks for getting
the conversation going.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
May I say one last thing to you, sfore you
really go off with that storry eyed feeling, go and
live in Israel for a month.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I've never lived in Israel. Okay, for a day, for
a day, I don't I honest, I'm not gonna be
s u. I don't have the time. If I said
to my radio station, I'm gonna go live in Israel
for a month, They're gonna say, who's gonna do your
talk show? Okay, So I do not have that experience.
You probably have that experience, but I would. I would
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be a lot more comfortable living under the Israeli government
in Israel that I would be living in Gaza on
the hem Us under the rule of Amas. Let me
put it like that.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
I mean, hamasten come out of come out of the
blue sky, and in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No, they came. They came out of centuries of hatred
towards towards the Jewish people, and and hatred that intensified
when the United Nations and President Truman authorized the establishment
of Israel in May of nineteen forty eight. All right, Lawrence,
thank you, thank you. I got to run. Thank you
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so much. Good night. All right. If you want to
agree with Lawrence, that's fine, that's fine. If you want
to agree with me, I'd love to hear from you.
Six either way. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty,
six one seven, nine thirty. I believe that yesterday was
a moment in time where Hamas now knows the clock
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is sticking. And that's a good thing. That's a good thing.
And I think President Trump and Yahoo joined at the
hip here in their relationship with the Maas. They've had
it with the Maas, the world has had it with Hamas.
Let's Hamas leave Gaza. Uh let them reconstitute somewhere else.
Israel will deal with them in the future. But in
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my opinion, if Hamas chooses not to leave Gaza, it
will be the end of Hamas one way or the other.
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. Will be back on Nightside
after this.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
By the way, I am just following up real quickly
here and not to contradict my my friend Lawrence who
called this is from the U. The official Biographies of
the Secretaries of State Dean Atchison eighteen ninety three to
nineteen seventy one Office of the Historian the Department of State,
and they write about Russ Russ or rather not Dean Russ.
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Deane Atchison. He did serve as a Secretary of State
and left when Harry Truman went home to Independence, Missouri.
They right here. Atchison continued to have influence on US
foreign policy after leaving the Department of State. During the
Kennedy administration, Atchison sat on the Executive Committee created to
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address the Cuban missile crisis. Later in the decade, Atchison
served as an advisor to Lyndon B. Johnson President Lyndon
Johnson's administration on how to disengage from the war in Vietnam.
Atchison died at the age of seventy eight in nineteen
seventy one. Lindon Johnson didn't do too much on disengaging
(24:47):
in Vietnam. Johnson, if anything, was the person who increased
when John Kennedy was assassinate and we had sixteen thousand
troops in Vietnam. When John Hunsen retired after the nineteen
sixty eight election and chose not to run, there are
half a million US troops in Vietnam. So if Atchison
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was an advisor to Linda Johnson on how to disengage
from the war in Vietnam, I don't think that his
advice had much of an impact. Again, I'm interested here.
I have thrown this out and I would love to
hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten,
thirty six, one seven ninety Do you share the hope
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that I share based upon the news conference yesterday at
the White House with President Trump and Prime Minister net
and Yahoo that Hamas is about is facing a big
decision either comply with this peace deal or stand and
fight to the last man dies. Jack is a Newton
Jack next on Nightsiger, right ahead?
Speaker 7 (25:52):
Yeah, how to do on Jack Porter? Hey, Jack, I'm
trying to work for peace for sixty years. I remember
something that I'll be even once say that the Palestinians
never lose an opportunity, to lose an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, they never. I think it was that Palestinians never
miss an opportunity, to miss an opportunity. So what I
think it's the same point.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Well, the thing is that here, at least the moderate
of Robas, you know, has agreed to an opportunity. But
the problems we're dealing with Hamas. It's a suicidal, self
destructive organization. They've got tremendous destructions of their own people,
and I don't know if they'll give up their guns.
(26:36):
And that's why there's never been peace. I mean, you've
had the Protestants made peace with the Catholics in Ireland,
the Hutus made peace with the Tutsis, tout sees. But one,
it's just intractable because of the self destructive nature of
Hamas and FT's bulla. They they would rather destroy themselves
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than accept.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Absolutely, Jack, I mean, they're convinced that when they die,
they're going to go to heaven and have seventy two
virgins or whatever the deal is. This is what and
they hate. They hate Israel, they hate the Jewish state.
They hate the fact that Israel has been in existence
and has has grown and developed as not only as
a political power, but as an economic power, and it's
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a military power. And look, the last two years have
been great for Israel in terms of they were asleep
at the switch on October seventh. I thought that Netanyahu's
government might have fallen if some sort of a vote
of confidence was taken because they were asleep at the
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switch for that attack to have occurred. But this country
has an indomitable spirit that we in this country could use.
And I know that it's a democracy and there's different
points of view, Jack, and I know that you don't
agree with everything that BB that Nyia who has ever done,
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But I think your points are well taken here. Hamas
wants to destroy Israel, Israel is the size of the
state of New Jersey on a continent that is larger
the United States. It's a little strip of land. And
all Israel wants to do is survive. It's fourteen million
people and they were surrounded by company by countries that
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invaded them Syria and in Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon.
All of these these countries either harbored terrorist organizations or
their own military invaded them in forty eight and sixty
seven and seventy three. They are remarkable nation, a remarkable nation.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
I that's what I agreed at the one hundred percent
thinking is that who is going to in forest? What
if you have there's entity of this peace board of
on Gaza. Who is going to any of the Palestinians
from Rama. Where's the police force, Where's the army force
that's going to do that? Hamas has an argistential decision
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that age has to give up its arms or else
they'll never you know, they'll be totally destroyed. So this
is a real, you know, logistical and practical issue here.
Who is going to protect the modern Palestinian leadership or
whoever leads Gaza from Hamas? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, well again there is a zero point fourteen says
a guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure
that Hamas and the factions comply with their obligations and
the new Gaza poses no threat to its neighbors. The
US zero point fifteen will work with Arab and international
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partners develop a temporary international stabilization fund to immediately deploy
to Gaza.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
A lot about the actual soldiers or police that will
actually be there and lists well.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Let me let me finish, let me let me finish
reading the plan. This International Stabilization Force will train and
prove and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza,
and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive
experience in the field. The force will be a long
term internal security solution. The Internal Security Force will work
(30:27):
with Israel in Egypt to help secure border areas along
with the newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical
to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the
rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza.
A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.
There is some meet to this, to this plan that
(30:49):
President Trump announced yesterday. Now the first step has to
be Hamas saying we will agree, we will agree, uh
and and we will leave and they will get safe
passage out of Hamas, out of Gaza. I should say
to whatever Arab country will have them. I'm not sure
what Arab country wants Hamas.
Speaker 7 (31:10):
I agree. You're right, that's why the thing has been
almost impossible to bring to Furlish in all these decades.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, I agree with you. I agree with you. But look,
this seems to me to be a clean effort. It's
the time for negotiations are over. I think that was
very clear. This is the deal that Israel and the
Trump administration is presenting to Hamas. Hamas either accepts it
or they deal with the consequences, which will be Israel unchained.
Speaker 7 (31:39):
Yeah, I agree. I wonder who put this together. It's
very sophisticated, very sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The Trump administration, in conjunction.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
With this rule will put this together.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, I'm not surprised that. That's why my friend Lawrence
was not a big fan of Marco Rubio. I assume
that the office of the Secretary of State would have
had to have been consulted by the Trump administration. I'm
sure those stories will come out, particularly if it is successful.
Jack is always great to hear your voice. Thank you
(32:09):
very much on this. You and I are are absolutely
we got each other's.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
Backs, right. I don't have a happy new year, you.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Too, my friend. Absolutely a sweet and happy new year
for you and yours. Okay, thank you, Okay, thanks, all right,
I'm going to take a quick break here. I've got
only a few minutes left in this hour. This is
clearly not a subject that most people want to talk about.
Maybe it's too new. Okay, that's fine, if you have
(32:41):
a thought on this. I think that this is an
innovative proposal, and I think it's also a proposal that
is backed up by this sort of good cop bad
cop situation. And I don't mean to reduce it to simplicity,
but Donald Trump is kind of playing the good cop, saying, okay,
here's what we can do. Here's a little bit of
(33:01):
a little bit for Hamas, and then NETNYA is saying
we can do it the easy way of the hard way.
So it's like you're sitting in the station house with
a good cop and a bad cap and one cop
is saying, look, you know you're not gonna be well,
You're not gonna go to jail, but you got to
give up whatever, and you've got some tough decisions to make. Well.
Hamas has some tough decisions to make, thank God, Thank God,
(33:21):
and hopefully they do the right thing in the interest
of the godsen people. I don't think that will be
their motivation. I will think they will do the right
I hope they will do the right thing in the
in the interest of their own self survival, because if not,
I think that Israel is ready to go in there
and wipe them all out, every last one of them.
They can find. It will be difficult. But I think Netanya,
(33:45):
who has lost his patience, and when he says, we
can do it the easy way of the hard way, Hamas,
if you're listening, you got to you gotta be smart here.
You gotta be smart, okay, because if not, it's gonna
end badly, and it's gonna end badly quickly, quickly. Seventy
two maybe ninety six hours I heard the President say today,
(34:06):
just look back as to what happened to Iran when
they decided to not comply with a deadline that President
Trump strongly suggested six one seven, two four thirty six
one seven, nine three, one ten thirty. I love this topic,
I love my audience, and I hope you'll join the conversation.
(34:26):
If not, we will talk about this. I'll talk about
it until eleven and we'll move on to something else
after the eleven o'clock news. We're coming right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So we're talking about the Middle East, talking about Israel,
talking about the proposed peace plan that was enveiled at
the White House yesterday by both President Trump and Prime
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who leaving no doubt about
where the Trump administration stands on Israel. And I'm and
the cowardly attack that Hamas inflicted on the nation of
(35:05):
Israel on October seventh, twenty twenty three. Let's I think
that Hamas be better understand that that there are days
in Gaza are numbered. And if you disagree, you're more
than welcome to call. Let me go to Matt and Brighton. Matt,
welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Hey, Dan pootball as well, you know, for the in
terms of the time and his plan. You know, look,
I I think, honestly, in a slight diversion, I think
(35:46):
that President Trump, who I in many respects agree with
on a lot of stuff, this is just one of
his moves to try and be a you know, play
the part, if you will.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Play the part of what matt a peace maker? Well,
but I'm just trying to get you.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
To tell me what you think you're going to answer
the question.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
I think that, yes, play the part of a peacemaker.
But you know how many times had President Trump on
this subject also had debacles with Prime Minister Yahoo. I
think that in this debacle, why.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Why are you calling this a debacle? They announced a
peace plan. They basically have said to Hamas, they have
put a figurative gun to the Temple of Hamas and
said you better take this and and you're lucky. You're
going to be able to leave and go to find
some Arab state where you might be able to live
and uh maybe uh or or Benjamin not and Yahoo
(37:01):
is gonna let the IDEF go in and clean it up.
I think it's well, I think it's a pretty interesting
proposal and if Hamas doesn't pay attention, they may have
the same fate as the Iranian nuclear program.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
And I agree with that, and you know how, or
you maybe because personally you know me and I call
it very often, you know how I feel, and as how,
I think I might.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Know how you feel, Matt. But you know, in order
to be a really good caller, what you got to
do is tell my audience how you feel. You can
disagree with me if you want, I'll go right ahead.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Okay, Well, I think it's going to happen, is that
this is going to turn into people who are going
to stay and say that they are part of Kamosa,
are not going to leave no matter what happens. No
matter what the IVF wants to try and do, the
IDF is going to walk through and blow it down,
(38:04):
and they easily can and will. But in this situation,
Trump does not want it to happen because he wants
to be able to get both sides of the aisle
on this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Okay, Matt, you've confused me totally, but thank you for
your call. Nonetheless, I still don't know what your position is,
but guess what it's the eleven o'clock news, So I
gotta say good night. For next time, just pull your
thoughts together. I still don't know where you're coming from,
but I do appreciate your calling. Nonetheless, thank you, my friend.
Have a good one. You know what, if you want
to talk about this, we can talk about it after
(38:40):
the eleven. If not, we'll change topics. If it's too
deep for my audience, that's fine. We can go to
an ease of your topic, coming back right after the
eleven on night's side. Our final hour of this, our
eighteenth year. Let's make it strong.
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