September 22, 2025 • 40 mins
Monday, President Trump and Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said taking acetaminophen during pregnancy is linked to higher risk of autism, and will instruct the FDA to recommend doctors suggest limiting the drug's use during pregnancy. What do you think? Dan invited listeners to call in with their thoughts.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's Beach Radio all right.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Now number four coming up here on a Monday night.
It is September twenty second. And by the way, for
those of you who didn't feel it, this afternoon, summer ended.
I think Rob told me it was about two nineteen
here in the Boston area, so that's when it happened.
We are now formerly this. I guess the sun has
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crossed the equator going in the wrong direction, and we're
looking at the autumn, which is we can get through
the fall, okay, and then the winter, the long dark
days of winter here in New England. So hey, there's
still some hope for the Red Sox. Maybe maybe a
little bit of hope for the Patriots, even though they
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lost yesterday. But we're not going to talk about either
of those. We're going to talk about this a news
conference that the Trump administration had this afternoon on Thailand
all and on autism and on acida minifan, which is
the ingredient that I guess is only an autism. I
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am not an expert in this at all. Okay, I
know a little bit about autism. I've been I was
associated for about pretty close to twenty years with a
great organization in Southborough, Massachusetts called the New England Center
for Children that dealt with kids families who are impacted
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by autism. And I have some sound bites. I don't
think the President was particularly prepared for his news conference today.
I didn't watch it, but I've listened to some of
the sound bites from the news conference, and I think
I understand what the president is attempting to do. But
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the the medical literature and the medical tests.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And when we talked earlier tonight with a doctor from
uh Tought's Medical Center, doctor Dallas Reid, UH, she is
an obg y n UH doctor and she just said
that the studies and the surveys that have been done
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and that the administration is relying upon uh are are
not reliable. So I am not a doctor, nor do
I play one on radio. But I wonder, uh what
the motive is here, if if there was some sort
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of a scientific breakthrough that could prove that autism was
brought all on when pregnant women dealing with discomfort or
pain during a pregnancy rely upon thailand All. And again,
apparently thailand All is the one pain killer. And I
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have a bottle in my hand here that contains a
set of minifin which this is an extra strength bottle
of tailanol. If you used thailand al while you were
pregnant and did not suffer a consequence, I'd love to
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hear from you. If, conversely, you believe that the President is,
if not on solid ground scientifically, at least is opening
up the debate. Maybe that's what his goal is. I
don't know, but he looked unprepared for that debate today.
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I think when he talks about the border, for that matter,
when he talks about crime in major American cities, I
think he's on ground that he is comfortable with. But
it seemed to me that he had trouble even pronouncing
a set of minifin the ingredient that allegedly is the
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ingredient that his administration, through Robert Kennedy and others. Now,
I know that there was some some serious medical people
who were standing with him at that news conference. Let
me just open this up here. Let's go to cut
number thirty, Rob if we could, this is cut thirty.
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President Trump, late this afternoon, talking about autism stats.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Just a few decades ago, one in ten thousand children
had autism, So that's not a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And I've always.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Heard, you know, they say a few, but I think
it's a lot less time than that. It used to
be one in twenty thousand, then one in ten thousand,
and I would say that's probably eighteen years ago, and
now it's one in thirty one. But in some areas
it's much worse than that, if you can believe it,
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one in thirty one, and I gave numbers yesterday for
boys it's one in twelve. I was told that's in California,
where they have a for some reason, a more severe problem.
But whether it's one in twelve or one in thirty one,
can you imagine that's down from one in twenty thousand,
then one in ten thousand, and now we're at the
level of one in twelve in some cases for boys,
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one in thirty one overall. So since two thousand, autism
race of surge by much more than four hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Again, he's throwing numbers out, and I'm not a doctor,
I'm not a nurse. But the numbers that are thrown out,
I don't know where he picks the numbers from. I
know that there has been an increase in the percentage
of kids who are found to be autistic. Now, I'm
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smart enough to know that autism is not a diagnosis,
like if someone contracts polio, for example, there are not
many cases of polio, but you either have polio or
you don't. It's simple as that, you're either pregnant or
you're not. With autism, it's a spectrum condition. So you
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can have full blown autism or you can be on
the spectrum and have something that's less than autism called aspergers.
I think that most really smart people, and I don't
want to include myself in that, but I feel some
days as if I have in my mind, what do
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I have to do today? And if you can identify
with this, i'd I'd love to, frankly hear from you.
You wake up in the morning and you probably have
two or three things. You know. They could be mundane things.
I got to drop some laundry off, or I got
to go to the get gas for the car, or
they can be more complicated things. I generally have a
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couple of complicated things. I got to get accomplished. And
you figure out it isn't like someone's going to come
to your house and say, Okay, you need to have
a haircut. Can you know you know you gotta go
and get your haircut. You got to go and get
to the store. And I trained myself. I have what
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I like to call a Tickler file in my head.
Now I think that there are people who don't live
with Tickler files in their head. My question would be,
maybe maybe I have a touch of Aspergers. Now again,
I'm not claiming credit for that. I'm not claiming it
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at all, saying that I think that this whole spectrum
of autism can be overstated. The President today he had
trouble even saying the word a Seda minifan, which obviously
he wasn't prepped for the news conference. And I'm not
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sure what SoundBite that was in. So we're going to
play cut thirty one. This is the president again talking
about this, and then RFK Junior here chimes in and
says something about the Amish and the reporter on the
world news, the world, Yeah it was World News tonight
on Channel five said that he had never heard of
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a study of the Amish. Cut thirty one, Rob.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Who asked questions, everyone should be grateful for those who
are trying to get the answers to this complex situation.
And the first day, all of these great doctors behind
me were there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I told them, this is what we got it.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
We have to find out because when you go from
twenty thousand to ten thousand and then you go to twelve,
you know there's something artificial.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They're taking something.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And by the way, I think I can say that
there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines
and don't take any pills, that have no autism, that
have no autism. Does that tell you something that's currently
Is that a correct statement?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
By the way self theirself? Is that suggests that Yeah,
with the Amish, for example.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
The Amish, Yeah, virtually I had no I heard none.
See Bobby wants to be very careful with what he says,
and he should, but I'm not so careful with what
I say. But you have certain groups the Amish, as
an example, they have essentially no autism.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know, mister President, they either have no ort Uh
you can't it's either no autism essentially some whatever. I mean,
it's this was this was a and he was unprepared
for this news conference. Uh let me uh, let me
grab Bill in Danvers. Bill, I don't know how much
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of this you watch today. It was it was it
was actually about an hour late. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I uh, well, I didn't catch it during the day
because I had other stuff. But I try to catch
stuff up at the gym like I do audio book
and I usually look at that stuff because it's if
you watch them a lot of times they'll just take
clips out. So at the same time I'm watching it, okay,
and they're bringing they had r K, they had doctor Oz,
they had the guy from n I H there. They
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they brought him up. There was also another guy there
I think from Stanford or whatever. He yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's him. And and they also said that they have
a some type of drug or something that was approved
that may help or lessen it that signal.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Talk about the block that drug and there's no no study,
no evidence that I could find, uh that on that drug.
I think it had other uh it was approved for
other other concerns, other situations. Yeah, So to be like
it was a by this is the worst by the
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seat of news conference that I've seen, and he's had
some seat of his bist news conferences. I didn't think
it was that.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But the I think the honest thing is a real thing,
because I know guys who lived down that way, and
I've talked to him before, and I mean, if that's true,
and I traveled out of the countries too, and they
just don't seem and I'm talking, you know, less developed countries,
you know, Caribbean and stuff, they don't seem to have
high rates like this, Dan. I mean, you know, so
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I don't know, you know what I mean, but I
did watch it because when you watch that, right, and
then you look over and you watch CNN and the
headline is in the volume things are because I met
the gym, you know, you got the TV's up and
underneath it just says that Trump misspells and you know,
I spread different. I mean everything, every news thing, everything
that they covered. I mean you just all the headlines
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as you walked by. There's never not even one percent
positive on anything.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And I'm just telling you that that I watched that
news conference, and if no one had prepped him for it,
it's a big news conference. If he was coming out
and flying by the seat of his pants and talking
about I don't know, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Felt bad for the mothers there, you know, and you know,
their stories and how they handle it. And they, you know,
the first woman that came up, you know with the kid,
you know, simple stuff. You can't go to the neighbor's
house next door because you know he you know, he
doesn't understand. All he knows is no. And then you
know it's it's hot breaking stories. Dan, I mean, you
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know with the kids, you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Know, no, I totally get that. I'm gonna tell you,
I spent twenty years doing some work with the New
England Center for Children out in Southborough, and I met
so many parents and autistic kids and it's heartbreaking. And
I know that that autism is not something that is
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diagnosed at birth. Most kids who come up with full
blown autism, for the first eighteen months of their life
hit all the guide point, all the guideposts, and then
all of a sudden they're they're kind of staring off
and and doctors are saying, gee, they could be a
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concern here with autism. It's like it's like a situation
that that, from from what I've been told, starts only
to evidence itself. It's not something they can do a
blood test on when the child's two months old and say, yeah,
this child looks this. I don't think it's very very mysterious.
But I just don't think the president handled it well today,
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that's all. From what I watched, it seemed like he
was doing it kind of by the seat of his pants,
and he would have been smarted to have stepped aside
and allowed the medical people to take over. Though Kennedy
was talking about the Amish, I've never seen a study
about that, and I read a lot, so we'll see. Yeah,
I just.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
From people I know that live down that way. There's
Amish from Michigan too, because I have another buddy out there.
I didn't even know they were out there, to be
honest with you, right.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I don't know if members of the Armist community go
to doctors, if their medical records are available. I don't
know what studies have been done. It seems to me
it's almost anecdotal, and you can't make policy based upon
anecdotal's issues. I mean, I think that when you talk
about having closed the border, yeah, he's done a very
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effective job at closing the border. When you talk about
that hit on the Iranian nuclear facility, it was a plus,
A plus took them out. You haven't heard it peep
out of them since, but in this one a little different. Bill,
I I hate to do this to you about it.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, I gotta go. I just got it
from the gym and I'm gonna go take a trip
tomorrow for a few days, so I got to pack.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You well, Thanks much for checking in. We'll talk to
you when you get back. Talk to you coming back
on Night Side, Rob. I'm sorry I'm a little bit
late here. Maybe in kick one over for me in
the meantime six one seven two thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. If you have a thought
on this particularly, we would love to hear from you.
I have no no bias here. I just watched the
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president's news conference today and I thought it was kind
of scattershot, and I think it's a serious topic, one
that they'd worked on for a long time, and I
thought they would have been better presented. Let me put
it like that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Back after this, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray
on Boston's news radio Hard.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Let's keep rolling here. Let me get Dave and San Antonio, Texas. Dave,
welcome back.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Not lying tonight, either, but John, I'm sorry what I
knew the obbige for about twenty years. I lived with
them on Kittle in Michigan, in my old Michigan, and
I know that they do not take drugs. They do
don't touch them. They have a they have a book.
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It's it's bigger than the Bible, with finer print than
the Bible is. And it's all cures for every element,
natural cures, and none of it is drugs. It's all
natural cures. And that's how they treat themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, but but I don't know what What I'm trying
to say is, I don't know if they have any
autism or Asperger's with it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
How do you know.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That, Well, I've never met one that did.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
How many did you meet?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Ah, I knew, I knew hardress of them.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And how many? How many Amish are there in the.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Country if you want to, if you want to put
talk about statistics and you haven't. Those statistics don't support you.
They're just fly by, They're just you know, ideas. The
fact is, I knew hundreds of Homish people and I did, Dave.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I understand that, Dave. I've known hundreds of Red Sox fans. Okay,
I've never met a Red Sox fan that had autism.
That doesn't mean that Red Sox fans don't have autism.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well, it's one of the reasons they don't take your
drugs because they feel it will give them autism or
it will result in it being in their family.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When was the last time you talked to them? Let
me ask you this, Dave, let me ask you this. Okay,
we'll do a little cross examination here. When was the
last time you talked to someone in the Amish community?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Why is that the most important thing? I knew them
for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
No, I'm asking you when was the last time you
you live in San Antonio, Texas. I'm just curious. Is
there much of a Youngish representation in the in Texas?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I moved here to Texas six years ago?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Okay, So when was the last time you talked.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
To someone six years ago? I associated with them all
the time, business with them.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I got it. And when was the last time you
talked to any of them about autism?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Autism? Six years ago?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So was this a topic of conversation you had with
them six years Okay?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yes, it was?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, you know what you should have done something? You
should have kept a diary of your conversations because as
that might have been very interesting if you kept the
names of the individuals the time you spoke with them,
uh and what their response was, uh in what medication.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Name of one of them? Give the name of one
of them that sells all the natural healing healing?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, I understand.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I know contract, Dave.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I know a woman named Phyllis who sells natural healings
in Cambridge.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Dave, you being and talk to him. He's a very
influential Amish uh, member of the Homish community.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I appreciate that, Dave, I really do.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But but by the way, my daughter is going to
call you one night and tell you I told you
the truth.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
About what.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
About her being threatened by the entire community of Arabs
because she was a Jewish girl, she was a Jewish.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Real have her give me a call, Dave, Dave up
my break as always.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You want to give you a call, she just doesn't.
Are you going to accept it? I mean, I mean
I accept Dave.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
If I accepted your calls, you know that I don't
have a I don't have a high bar for accepting calls.
I hope you know that at this point. Ah, Okay,
I have a good down, have a good night, good night.
I want to have a serious conversation. I'm hoping that
in my vast audience there are some people who want
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to have a serious conversation about this. I played a
couple of sound bites from the president. I'll continue to
display sound bites from the president. Uh. And you know, again,
anecdotal evidence can have some value. But what Dave continues
to bring to the table. He apparently did some sort
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of a survey he believes of the entire Amish community.
We will be back on Night Side, but I'm looking
for people who medical, people who have a thought on this.
I know enough about autism. I'm not telling you I'm
an expert. I haven't done studies on autism. But I
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think what the President produced today was was little more
than anecdotal evidence, which I think undercuts his credibility on
this issue and maybe on other issues. That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying, and I'd love to get your perspective.
Six one seven, two five, four, ten thirty is the number.
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We have one line at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
As looking at Johnson and Johnson Stock which is.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
The uh the company that that manufactures tail and all
as far as I can understand, and they they they've
they've actually had a little spike in after hours training
and then.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It dropped back down at six o'clock. We'll have to
see how that affects things. Let me go next to
Aleen Is in Cambridge. Eileen appreciates your calling. I believe
that you have a son with autism.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Yes, I do, and I uh, I think that what
that his problems were due to oxygen deprivation during birth.
And this has been studied and the auditory system, the
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system for hearing is damaged by by oxygen lack of birth.
And in you gave the numbers one in ten thousand
back in before the year two thousand and now we're
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up to one in thirty one or one in twelve
for boys.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
And well, I.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Didn't I didn't give give those numbers. That was that
those were numbers that the president quoted at his news conference,
and I did not think that he was especially well
prepared for that news conference. Today he had Yeah, go.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Ahead, that's true. That's true. And the thing is that
in around the year nineteen ninety five, the obstetricians started
using a surgical clamp on the umbilical cord at birth.
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And this, to me is the reason for the increase
in autism because by using a lamp on the umbilical cord,
they're doing a sudden cutoff of oxygen. Now, if the
lungs have not expanded the oxygen, that the blood will
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be drained from other organs in the body, like the brain,
and to fill the lungs because the baby can't breathe.
Now the.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, was your son born at a time when
that oxygen was clamped, that that umbilical cord was clammed.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
No, no, but he I had a difficult birth and
he was pulled out with force ups so he had
head injury as well. And he actually, he actually does
not really have autism. And that was just a term
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that was kidding.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
So is he more of the Asperger's part of the spectrum.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yes, he is a perfect example of Asperger syndrome. He's
beyond belief the memory that he has. You know, we
we drive around and he will tell me about saying
he wants to go visit his grandmother's old house and
he remembers not the street number.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know, I think there's a lot of us, Eileen,
who may have some level. Again, it's it's a spectrum condition.
Everybody is not affected the same way. I have sort
of in my mind every day, I know, uh, sort
of a tickler, a file in my mind about what
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I need to do that day and and what what day?
What what? What projects I can put off for a
couple of days. And so I don't know, I mean,
I don't buy the numbers that that you know, that
that are being thrown out. I think that maybe we're
overdiagnosing a little bit, or maybe we were underdiagnosing. I
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don't know, but I don't think the President was particularly
effective today in making in making the case that he
tried to make.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Well, I don't think it's I don't think that it's
I think it could be in some cases. But by
the way, the Amish, if you go into a PubMed
the medical literature, they do not have autism. They do
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not they have they have a very very few cases
of autism. But the Amish they don't take drugs, and
they don't use a plan on the umbilical cord birthday,
allow natural childbirth.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Take Well, again, I you know Dave brought that up,
and and I tried to make the point to him
that I don't know how many people he had conversations with.
I don't know how much he talked to people about
autism sometimes, Dave, he's trying to tell me the truth,
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but I try to figure out. I just again, I
don't want to go I don't want to go down
that path. I think the points you made have been
a lot more interesting and incredible. Eileen. I got to
run because I got a whole bunch of calls here,
so we've got to keep rolling here. Thank you so much. Okay,
all right, my best to your son. Okay, thanks much,
thank good night. Let me go next to Steve and
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Virginia Beach. Steve, you were next on nightside. Go right ahead,
Steve in Virginia Beach. And if you're not ready, Steve,
we will move on to the next caller. Sounds like
we're going to move on to the next caller. Let
me go to Daniel in Brockton. Daniel, Lucky got you
up here real quickly.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Go ahead, Daniel, Hello, what are you doing? I don't
know too much. Well, I do a limit of asperg
as an autism and the first thing that is the
spectrum disorder, which means it could be something like the
social skills, could be somebody that's over and over the
organized Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean, you know, you ever see the movie ring
Man with Dustin.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Hoffmann, perfect example.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay, well, I don't know that's a perfect example. I
mean that is a severe case that he portrayed in
that movie as someone with a severe case of autism,
very repetitive. I gotta do this, I gotta do this.
Oh I got to go over here and do this now,
you know. So, so that is that's that was an exposure.
But again when I say it's a spectrum, it's not
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everybody who is diagnosed with autism is in the is
in the category of rain Man. You know, that's an
extreme say that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
You know, so, oh no, I mean and one hundred percent.
And this shows the functionality because there are people the actors, teachers,
doctors that they have autism a touch of it, but
not so that they can't function, but they just learn
how to live with it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Oh sure. Yeah. And I also think that there are
a lot of people and as I say, I'm very
happy to admit that when I hear the symptoms of autism. Uh,
you know, within the medical community. You know, I'm thinking
to myself, well, you know, maybe I got a little
touch of this because I tend to be very organized
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and very directed and focused. If I need to get
something done, I want to get it done. This is
just my personality. I want to get it done because
I can kind of check it off my checklist in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I hate. The part of the day that I don't
like the most is when I'm kind of in this
state of suspended animation where I know I'm supposed to
get a couple of tasks accomplished, but I can't do
one because let's say I want to go to CBS
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and get a flu shot, but I know that they're
closed for lunch. Okay, And I also that sort of thing.
It's I organize my day mentally. I don't write it
all down on a piece of paper, but I'm wondering
if that's an indicator and I'd have to talk to
somebody about it. I'm just telling you that's do you
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can you identify with that, Daniel or No?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Oh yeah, no, definitely. I mean, even as far as
things have to be a certain way, like organized the
way it could be something you still weirdraw, why do
you put the superspoone with the with the four you know,
the superpoon And what happens is.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, I'm more of a slob though in that regard,
if you saw my desk, you would not consider that
I was in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
Well, what happens is that if you know, like if
you go into your desk, for instance, and see that
and have a mental breakdown, that's what the problem happens.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know. It's like I know where everything is, I
know what's under the but but I also I also
have files, so a lot of stuff that I will
keep in a file and then every once in a
while I go in and I purged the files. And again,
I don't know if if there was a clinical psychologist
(31:36):
with us tonight, we could have that conversation and and
and see. But I'm just you know, I'm just trying
to explain that. Uh, it's there's a lot Look, no
one wants something like this, but uh, there's a lot worse,
you know, diagnoses.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
And I think it's important though when I think about
like children in school and how to teach the children
in school. So sometimes what happens is a certain way,
and these kids who undiagnosed to have autism then not
able to learn, yep, like they've you know, to learn.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Do you have Do you have a touch of Asperger's yourself?
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Sometimes I think I do?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Have you ever been diagnosed with it?
Speaker 8 (32:27):
Never diagnosed with?
Speaker 9 (32:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
But I do.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I do.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
I learned techniques to deal with it, to deal.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
With when you say deal with it? What do you mean?
Deal with what? When you say deal with it?
Speaker 8 (32:37):
Like say, if somebody puts down you know, I go
in somewhere and it's out a place I know to
not have a breakdown if it's something I can't handle.
I learned just like.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Okay, so you're telling me that you have compensated, but
but you think down deep that you may have a
touch of this? Yeah, definitely, Okay, fair enough, Daniel, Thank
you for your honesty. Have you called my show before?
I know? I don't recall a conversation with you.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
No, No, I never asked me. The first time my
friend introduced me to ten thirty Am. So I said,
let me check it out. You need chime in, You
need to chime in. They're talking about this, talking about this,
I said, let me check it out.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Good for you. We'll give you a ronin mcclause from
my digital studio audience. As a first time caller. I
look forward to your calling again. Okay, my friend, thank
you very much.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
All right, take you have a great night.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We'll take a quick break. Hopefully we'll get Steve from
Virginia Beach lined up. I got Jennison, Melrose and Carl
in New York. I got a little room for you.
I got one line at six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty and one line at six one seven nine
three one. We're having honest conversation here in North America's
back porch. My name is Dan Ray, the host of
night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're gonna go back
to Steve and Virginia Beach. Steve, I hope you in ahead.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Uh yeah, I hope I'm here too. I just had
trouble with my phone.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Okay, no problem. What is what you're what? What you got?
Full lines?
Speaker 10 (34:09):
We're going to have to ask you to be quick,
go right ahead, Okay, I'm gonna be quick on a
couple of two points. One is I don't think the
president should be giving medical advice. He's not a doctor,
and it hurts the credibility of the office and our country.
And also I think it really affects the value of
our dollar. It's what the other countries think of our country.
(34:31):
But I I want to just make another point. I
talked to you last Thursday, found this time right before
UH and I was saying, it's saying it's another subject
about Charlie Kirk and something being vague, and I just
want to make a quick point about how he jumped
off of the building when he left, and it didn't
look like he had a gun with him, But then
they said he wrapped it up and put it in
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a bush.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So I just think I think that he had it
in a blanket. If you look at that video. I
really don't want to go there now because we're so
late on time. Look at the video, it looked as
if he had some sort of either a bag as
he came down. He didn't have what you think of
as a rifle, but he could have broken the stock
(35:15):
down and wrapped it in a in a blanket. Trust
me on that one. Okay, give a look at it
and call me back and let me know if you
if you agree.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
Okay, okay, thanks Ally, Dan, thank.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You, Steve, appreciate it very much. Just keep rolling. He're
going to go to Carl and New York. Collie, gotta
be quick for me, buddy, go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (35:33):
I had an interesting autism fact for you, Dan. I'm
left handed, and I'm left handed, and if you're left handed,
you're more likely susceptible to autism and Asperger's. We're ten
percent of the world's population. We're represented at twenty eight
percent of people who have autism.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Interesting statistic. I was unaware of it. Thank you. I
wish you'd called early. We could plummet a little bit
more and explore it a little bit more. But that
is interesting. Carl, thank you, Thank you very much. Let
me go to Janice in Melrose. Janis next on nights.
I gotta be quick for me. Jannis. I'm sorry, but
(36:10):
everybody's to calling it the last few minutes.
Speaker 9 (36:13):
I tuned in late, so excuse me if you already
talked about this, But it seemed like you were mentioning
the president's comments, but you didn't mention all the experts
in their comments.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, I just think that the president was what I heard.
I asked his comments were late, and I asked my
producer to pull some comments from the president. I just
thought that he was a little scattershot, that's all.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
But what he did, he tried to tell us what
the experts were going to talk about. And they shouldn't
have wasted time on having him do that. They should
have gone right to them.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Okay, So that's similar about that.
Speaker 9 (36:49):
He was some man said that he was practicing medicine,
but as I think it was McCarry, the one who
was at John Hopkins.
Speaker 12 (36:56):
He said that the study Jerry area even.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Carry I've had him on my show. He's a very
competent guy. Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
He said that the studies I think there was out
of John Hopkins and out of Harvard ye, and that
those were two important, good studies to ignore, and that's
why they came out with their recommendation about time.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, fair enough, let's see where it goes. All we're doing,
all we're having is a conversation about it. Jennis, don't
don't take it. Don't take it.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Personally, Chester saying it doesn't sound it sounds like people
are the president and the important people. And they're also
putting a lot of money into grants to look at
the causes. And as one of them said, there is
probably not one cause because there's so many different Well that's.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Fine, but certainly his his focus seemed the President's focus
seemed to be on Tylano, that's all.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
But he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Argue Janet. I'm not going to argue with you. I
got two other calls who also called it late. I
want to give everybody a quick chance. Okay, we may
we may hit this later this week. You can call
back and we can break it down a little bit further.
Fair enough, Okay, all right, much appreciate it. Let me
go real quickly to Sachi in saga. Sachi got room
for you in one more go ahead, Sachi.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
Then I do have an artisan, kid, but I don't
want to get into it right now. Okay, you know,
short of time. But the same ingredient that Tyler knows
is being used throughout the whole world is under the
name of parasdam all or they have a different name
called paradal throughout Asia and Europe. And there's no evidence
(38:35):
of people have artism. Only US has. Most of the
people who have the artism. I think it's more like
something else. It's like transclaimed the color quane.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, okay again, you're you're beyond me and this. You
better hear what you say.
Speaker 13 (38:56):
No, you're a short of time.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Thank you man. We'll talk soon earlier so we can
have a conversation longer. But I just am. I'm in
deep water with this part of the car. I don't
have much to add to it. So thanks thanks for
you called. Let me go findal wrap it up with
Ron and Newton rong. What do we get left here? Rob,
give me one minute? Okay, go ahead, Ron, we get
less than a minute.
Speaker 12 (39:17):
Go ahead, okay, Dan, Just one quick comment. Recent study
in Journal of the Journal of American Medical Association with
a prospective population size of two million, four hundred and
eighty thousand, seven ninety seven had a hazard ratio that
is being exposed and not exposed of one point oh
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five for autism one point seven, which basically, if it's
a one, it doesn't indicate that exposure to the drug
creates a link.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Ron, give it to me in quick fifteen. Give it
to me in ten second language that my audience can understand.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
What are you saying okay, big, big population looked at
and they did not show they did not show a
risk in that although in the last ten hours the
Yale School of Public Health shows, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Ron, I'm gone way too long here. I gotta let
you go. We'll pick it up later in the week.
Thank you much, Rob Brooks, thank you, Marita, thank you
very much. We will end as always, all dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven. That's my pal Charlie Rays,
who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's why your
pets are pasted. They love you and you love them,
and I do believe you'll see them again. I'll see
(40:34):
you on Facebook nightside postgame in a couple of minutes,
and we'll see tomorrow night at eight o five on
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It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's Beach Radio all right.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Now number four coming up here on a Monday night.
It is September twenty second. And by the way, for
those of you who didn't feel it, this afternoon, summer ended.
I think Rob told me it was about two nineteen
here in the Boston area, so that's when it happened.
We are now formerly this. I guess the sun has
(00:29):
crossed the equator going in the wrong direction, and we're
looking at the autumn, which is we can get through
the fall, okay, and then the winter, the long dark
days of winter here in New England. So hey, there's
still some hope for the Red Sox. Maybe maybe a
little bit of hope for the Patriots, even though they
(00:50):
lost yesterday. But we're not going to talk about either
of those. We're going to talk about this a news
conference that the Trump administration had this afternoon on Thailand
all and on autism and on acida minifan, which is
the ingredient that I guess is only an autism. I
(01:12):
am not an expert in this at all. Okay, I
know a little bit about autism. I've been I was
associated for about pretty close to twenty years with a
great organization in Southborough, Massachusetts called the New England Center
for Children that dealt with kids families who are impacted
(01:35):
by autism. And I have some sound bites. I don't
think the President was particularly prepared for his news conference today.
I didn't watch it, but I've listened to some of
the sound bites from the news conference, and I think
I understand what the president is attempting to do. But
(02:01):
the the medical literature and the medical tests.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And when we talked earlier tonight with a doctor from
uh Tought's Medical Center, doctor Dallas Reid, UH, she is
an obg y n UH doctor and she just said
that the studies and the surveys that have been done
(02:30):
and that the administration is relying upon uh are are
not reliable. So I am not a doctor, nor do
I play one on radio. But I wonder, uh what
the motive is here, if if there was some sort
(02:51):
of a scientific breakthrough that could prove that autism was
brought all on when pregnant women dealing with discomfort or
pain during a pregnancy rely upon thailand All. And again,
apparently thailand All is the one pain killer. And I
(03:17):
have a bottle in my hand here that contains a
set of minifin which this is an extra strength bottle
of tailanol. If you used thailand al while you were
pregnant and did not suffer a consequence, I'd love to
(03:39):
hear from you. If, conversely, you believe that the President is,
if not on solid ground scientifically, at least is opening
up the debate. Maybe that's what his goal is. I
don't know, but he looked unprepared for that debate today.
(04:00):
I think when he talks about the border, for that matter,
when he talks about crime in major American cities, I
think he's on ground that he is comfortable with. But
it seemed to me that he had trouble even pronouncing
a set of minifin the ingredient that allegedly is the
(04:21):
ingredient that his administration, through Robert Kennedy and others. Now,
I know that there was some some serious medical people
who were standing with him at that news conference. Let
me just open this up here. Let's go to cut
number thirty, Rob if we could, this is cut thirty.
(04:42):
President Trump, late this afternoon, talking about autism stats.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Just a few decades ago, one in ten thousand children
had autism, So that's not a long time.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And I've always.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Heard, you know, they say a few, but I think
it's a lot less time than that. It used to
be one in twenty thousand, then one in ten thousand,
and I would say that's probably eighteen years ago, and
now it's one in thirty one. But in some areas
it's much worse than that, if you can believe it,
(05:15):
one in thirty one, and I gave numbers yesterday for
boys it's one in twelve. I was told that's in California,
where they have a for some reason, a more severe problem.
But whether it's one in twelve or one in thirty one,
can you imagine that's down from one in twenty thousand,
then one in ten thousand, and now we're at the
level of one in twelve in some cases for boys,
(05:39):
one in thirty one overall. So since two thousand, autism
race of surge by much more than four hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Again, he's throwing numbers out, and I'm not a doctor,
I'm not a nurse. But the numbers that are thrown out,
I don't know where he picks the numbers from. I
know that there has been an increase in the percentage
of kids who are found to be autistic. Now, I'm
(06:10):
smart enough to know that autism is not a diagnosis,
like if someone contracts polio, for example, there are not
many cases of polio, but you either have polio or
you don't. It's simple as that, you're either pregnant or
you're not. With autism, it's a spectrum condition. So you
(06:32):
can have full blown autism or you can be on
the spectrum and have something that's less than autism called aspergers.
I think that most really smart people, and I don't
want to include myself in that, but I feel some
days as if I have in my mind, what do
(06:54):
I have to do today? And if you can identify
with this, i'd I'd love to, frankly hear from you.
You wake up in the morning and you probably have
two or three things. You know. They could be mundane things.
I got to drop some laundry off, or I got
to go to the get gas for the car, or
they can be more complicated things. I generally have a
(07:16):
couple of complicated things. I got to get accomplished. And
you figure out it isn't like someone's going to come
to your house and say, Okay, you need to have
a haircut. Can you know you know you gotta go
and get your haircut. You got to go and get
to the store. And I trained myself. I have what
(07:38):
I like to call a Tickler file in my head.
Now I think that there are people who don't live
with Tickler files in their head. My question would be,
maybe maybe I have a touch of Aspergers. Now again,
I'm not claiming credit for that. I'm not claiming it
(07:59):
at all, saying that I think that this whole spectrum
of autism can be overstated. The President today he had
trouble even saying the word a Seda minifan, which obviously
he wasn't prepped for the news conference. And I'm not
(08:22):
sure what SoundBite that was in. So we're going to
play cut thirty one. This is the president again talking
about this, and then RFK Junior here chimes in and
says something about the Amish and the reporter on the
world news, the world, Yeah it was World News tonight
on Channel five said that he had never heard of
(08:46):
a study of the Amish. Cut thirty one, Rob.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Who asked questions, everyone should be grateful for those who
are trying to get the answers to this complex situation.
And the first day, all of these great doctors behind
me were there.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I told them, this is what we got it.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
We have to find out because when you go from
twenty thousand to ten thousand and then you go to twelve,
you know there's something artificial.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They're taking something.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And by the way, I think I can say that
there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines
and don't take any pills, that have no autism, that
have no autism. Does that tell you something that's currently
Is that a correct statement?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
By the way self theirself? Is that suggests that Yeah,
with the Amish, for example.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
The Amish, Yeah, virtually I had no I heard none.
See Bobby wants to be very careful with what he says,
and he should, but I'm not so careful with what
I say. But you have certain groups the Amish, as
an example, they have essentially no autism.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know, mister President, they either have no ort Uh
you can't it's either no autism essentially some whatever. I mean,
it's this was this was a and he was unprepared
for this news conference. Uh let me uh, let me
grab Bill in Danvers. Bill, I don't know how much
(10:20):
of this you watch today. It was it was it
was actually about an hour late. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I uh, well, I didn't catch it during the day
because I had other stuff. But I try to catch
stuff up at the gym like I do audio book
and I usually look at that stuff because it's if
you watch them a lot of times they'll just take
clips out. So at the same time I'm watching it, okay,
and they're bringing they had r K, they had doctor Oz,
they had the guy from n I H there. They
(10:46):
they brought him up. There was also another guy there
I think from Stanford or whatever. He yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's him. And and they also said that they have
a some type of drug or something that was approved
that may help or lessen it that signal.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Talk about the block that drug and there's no no study,
no evidence that I could find, uh that on that drug.
I think it had other uh it was approved for
other other concerns, other situations. Yeah, So to be like
it was a by this is the worst by the
(11:24):
seat of news conference that I've seen, and he's had
some seat of his bist news conferences. I didn't think
it was that.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But the I think the honest thing is a real thing,
because I know guys who lived down that way, and
I've talked to him before, and I mean, if that's true,
and I traveled out of the countries too, and they
just don't seem and I'm talking, you know, less developed countries,
you know, Caribbean and stuff, they don't seem to have
high rates like this, Dan. I mean, you know, so
(11:55):
I don't know, you know what I mean, but I
did watch it because when you watch that, right, and
then you look over and you watch CNN and the
headline is in the volume things are because I met
the gym, you know, you got the TV's up and
underneath it just says that Trump misspells and you know,
I spread different. I mean everything, every news thing, everything
that they covered. I mean you just all the headlines
(12:17):
as you walked by. There's never not even one percent
positive on anything.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And I'm just telling you that that I watched that
news conference, and if no one had prepped him for it,
it's a big news conference. If he was coming out
and flying by the seat of his pants and talking
about I don't know, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Felt bad for the mothers there, you know, and you know,
their stories and how they handle it. And they, you know,
the first woman that came up, you know with the kid,
you know, simple stuff. You can't go to the neighbor's
house next door because you know he you know, he
doesn't understand. All he knows is no. And then you
know it's it's hot breaking stories. Dan, I mean, you
(12:59):
know with the kids, you.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Know, no, I totally get that. I'm gonna tell you,
I spent twenty years doing some work with the New
England Center for Children out in Southborough, and I met
so many parents and autistic kids and it's heartbreaking. And
I know that that autism is not something that is
(13:24):
diagnosed at birth. Most kids who come up with full
blown autism, for the first eighteen months of their life
hit all the guide point, all the guideposts, and then
all of a sudden they're they're kind of staring off
and and doctors are saying, gee, they could be a
(13:45):
concern here with autism. It's like it's like a situation
that that, from from what I've been told, starts only
to evidence itself. It's not something they can do a
blood test on when the child's two months old and say, yeah,
this child looks this. I don't think it's very very mysterious.
But I just don't think the president handled it well today,
(14:05):
that's all. From what I watched, it seemed like he
was doing it kind of by the seat of his pants,
and he would have been smarted to have stepped aside
and allowed the medical people to take over. Though Kennedy
was talking about the Amish, I've never seen a study
about that, and I read a lot, so we'll see. Yeah,
I just.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
From people I know that live down that way. There's
Amish from Michigan too, because I have another buddy out there.
I didn't even know they were out there, to be
honest with you, right.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I don't know if members of the Armist community go
to doctors, if their medical records are available. I don't
know what studies have been done. It seems to me
it's almost anecdotal, and you can't make policy based upon
anecdotal's issues. I mean, I think that when you talk
about having closed the border, yeah, he's done a very
(14:56):
effective job at closing the border. When you talk about
that hit on the Iranian nuclear facility, it was a plus,
A plus took them out. You haven't heard it peep
out of them since, but in this one a little different. Bill,
I I hate to do this to you about it.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, I gotta go. I just got it
from the gym and I'm gonna go take a trip
tomorrow for a few days, so I got to pack.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
You well, Thanks much for checking in. We'll talk to
you when you get back. Talk to you coming back
on Night Side, Rob. I'm sorry I'm a little bit
late here. Maybe in kick one over for me in
the meantime six one seven two thirty six one seven,
nine three one ten thirty. If you have a thought
on this particularly, we would love to hear from you.
I have no no bias here. I just watched the
(15:40):
president's news conference today and I thought it was kind
of scattershot, and I think it's a serious topic, one
that they'd worked on for a long time, and I
thought they would have been better presented. Let me put
it like that.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Back after this, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray
on Boston's news radio Hard.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Let's keep rolling here. Let me get Dave and San Antonio, Texas. Dave,
welcome back.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Not lying tonight, either, but John, I'm sorry what I
knew the obbige for about twenty years. I lived with
them on Kittle in Michigan, in my old Michigan, and
I know that they do not take drugs. They do
don't touch them. They have a they have a book.
(16:28):
It's it's bigger than the Bible, with finer print than
the Bible is. And it's all cures for every element,
natural cures, and none of it is drugs. It's all
natural cures. And that's how they treat themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, but but I don't know what What I'm trying
to say is, I don't know if they have any
autism or Asperger's with it.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
How do you know.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
That, Well, I've never met one that did.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
How many did you meet?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Ah, I knew, I knew hardress of them.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And how many? How many Amish are there in the.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Country if you want to, if you want to put
talk about statistics and you haven't. Those statistics don't support you.
They're just fly by, They're just you know, ideas. The
fact is, I knew hundreds of Homish people and I did, Dave.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I understand that, Dave. I've known hundreds of Red Sox fans. Okay,
I've never met a Red Sox fan that had autism.
That doesn't mean that Red Sox fans don't have autism.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well, it's one of the reasons they don't take your
drugs because they feel it will give them autism or
it will result in it being in their family.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
When was the last time you talked to them? Let
me ask you this, Dave, let me ask you this. Okay,
we'll do a little cross examination here. When was the
last time you talked to someone in the Amish community?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Why is that the most important thing? I knew them
for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
No, I'm asking you when was the last time you
you live in San Antonio, Texas. I'm just curious. Is
there much of a Youngish representation in the in Texas?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I moved here to Texas six years ago?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Okay, So when was the last time you talked.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
To someone six years ago? I associated with them all
the time, business with them.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I got it. And when was the last time you
talked to any of them about autism?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Autism? Six years ago?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So was this a topic of conversation you had with
them six years Okay?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yes, it was?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well, you know what you should have done something? You
should have kept a diary of your conversations because as
that might have been very interesting if you kept the
names of the individuals the time you spoke with them,
uh and what their response was, uh in what medication.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Name of one of them? Give the name of one
of them that sells all the natural healing healing?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, I understand.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I know contract, Dave.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I know a woman named Phyllis who sells natural healings
in Cambridge.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Dave, you being and talk to him. He's a very
influential Amish uh, member of the Homish community.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I appreciate that, Dave, I really do.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But but by the way, my daughter is going to
call you one night and tell you I told you
the truth.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
About what.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
About her being threatened by the entire community of Arabs
because she was a Jewish girl, she was a Jewish.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Real have her give me a call, Dave, Dave up
my break as always.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You want to give you a call, she just doesn't.
Are you going to accept it? I mean, I mean
I accept Dave.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
If I accepted your calls, you know that I don't
have a I don't have a high bar for accepting calls.
I hope you know that at this point. Ah, Okay,
I have a good down, have a good night, good night.
I want to have a serious conversation. I'm hoping that
in my vast audience there are some people who want
(20:34):
to have a serious conversation about this. I played a
couple of sound bites from the president. I'll continue to
display sound bites from the president. Uh. And you know, again,
anecdotal evidence can have some value. But what Dave continues
to bring to the table. He apparently did some sort
(20:55):
of a survey he believes of the entire Amish community.
We will be back on Night Side, but I'm looking
for people who medical, people who have a thought on this.
I know enough about autism. I'm not telling you I'm
an expert. I haven't done studies on autism. But I
(21:18):
think what the President produced today was was little more
than anecdotal evidence, which I think undercuts his credibility on
this issue and maybe on other issues. That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying, and I'd love to get your perspective.
Six one seven, two five, four, ten thirty is the number.
(21:39):
We have one line at six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
As looking at Johnson and Johnson Stock which is.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
The uh the company that that manufactures tail and all
as far as I can understand, and they they they've
they've actually had a little spike in after hours training
and then.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It dropped back down at six o'clock. We'll have to
see how that affects things. Let me go next to
Aleen Is in Cambridge. Eileen appreciates your calling. I believe
that you have a son with autism.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Yes, I do, and I uh, I think that what
that his problems were due to oxygen deprivation during birth.
And this has been studied and the auditory system, the
(22:54):
system for hearing is damaged by by oxygen lack of birth.
And in you gave the numbers one in ten thousand
back in before the year two thousand and now we're
(23:15):
up to one in thirty one or one in twelve
for boys.
Speaker 8 (23:20):
And well, I.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Didn't I didn't give give those numbers. That was that
those were numbers that the president quoted at his news conference,
and I did not think that he was especially well
prepared for that news conference. Today he had Yeah, go.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Ahead, that's true. That's true. And the thing is that
in around the year nineteen ninety five, the obstetricians started
using a surgical clamp on the umbilical cord at birth.
(23:59):
And this, to me is the reason for the increase
in autism because by using a lamp on the umbilical cord,
they're doing a sudden cutoff of oxygen. Now, if the
lungs have not expanded the oxygen, that the blood will
(24:20):
be drained from other organs in the body, like the brain,
and to fill the lungs because the baby can't breathe.
Now the.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I mean, was your son born at a time when
that oxygen was clamped, that that umbilical cord was clammed.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
No, no, but he I had a difficult birth and
he was pulled out with force ups so he had
head injury as well. And he actually, he actually does
not really have autism. And that was just a term
(25:07):
that was kidding.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
So is he more of the Asperger's part of the spectrum.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Yes, he is a perfect example of Asperger syndrome. He's
beyond belief the memory that he has. You know, we
we drive around and he will tell me about saying
he wants to go visit his grandmother's old house and
he remembers not the street number.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You know, I think there's a lot of us, Eileen,
who may have some level. Again, it's it's a spectrum condition.
Everybody is not affected the same way. I have sort
of in my mind every day, I know, uh, sort
of a tickler, a file in my mind about what
(25:55):
I need to do that day and and what what day?
What what? What projects I can put off for a
couple of days. And so I don't know, I mean,
I don't buy the numbers that that you know, that
that are being thrown out. I think that maybe we're
overdiagnosing a little bit, or maybe we were underdiagnosing. I
(26:17):
don't know, but I don't think the President was particularly
effective today in making in making the case that he
tried to make.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
Well, I don't think it's I don't think that it's
I think it could be in some cases. But by
the way, the Amish, if you go into a PubMed
the medical literature, they do not have autism. They do
(26:48):
not they have they have a very very few cases
of autism. But the Amish they don't take drugs, and
they don't use a plan on the umbilical cord birthday,
allow natural childbirth.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Take Well, again, I you know Dave brought that up,
and and I tried to make the point to him
that I don't know how many people he had conversations with.
I don't know how much he talked to people about
autism sometimes, Dave, he's trying to tell me the truth,
(27:27):
but I try to figure out. I just again, I
don't want to go I don't want to go down
that path. I think the points you made have been
a lot more interesting and incredible. Eileen. I got to
run because I got a whole bunch of calls here,
so we've got to keep rolling here. Thank you so much. Okay,
all right, my best to your son. Okay, thanks much,
thank good night. Let me go next to Steve and
(27:50):
Virginia Beach. Steve, you were next on nightside. Go right ahead,
Steve in Virginia Beach. And if you're not ready, Steve,
we will move on to the next caller. Sounds like
we're going to move on to the next caller. Let
me go to Daniel in Brockton. Daniel, Lucky got you
up here real quickly.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
Go ahead, Daniel, Hello, what are you doing? I don't
know too much. Well, I do a limit of asperg
as an autism and the first thing that is the
spectrum disorder, which means it could be something like the
social skills, could be somebody that's over and over the
organized Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean, you know, you ever see the movie ring
Man with Dustin.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Hoffmann, perfect example.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay, well, I don't know that's a perfect example. I
mean that is a severe case that he portrayed in
that movie as someone with a severe case of autism,
very repetitive. I gotta do this, I gotta do this.
Oh I got to go over here and do this now,
you know. So, so that is that's that was an exposure.
But again when I say it's a spectrum, it's not
(28:58):
everybody who is diagnosed with autism is in the is
in the category of rain Man. You know, that's an
extreme say that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (29:08):
You know, so, oh no, I mean and one hundred percent.
And this shows the functionality because there are people the actors, teachers,
doctors that they have autism a touch of it, but
not so that they can't function, but they just learn
how to live with it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Oh sure. Yeah. And I also think that there are
a lot of people and as I say, I'm very
happy to admit that when I hear the symptoms of autism. Uh,
you know, within the medical community. You know, I'm thinking
to myself, well, you know, maybe I got a little
touch of this because I tend to be very organized
(29:46):
and very directed and focused. If I need to get
something done, I want to get it done. This is
just my personality. I want to get it done because
I can kind of check it off my checklist in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I hate. The part of the day that I don't
like the most is when I'm kind of in this
state of suspended animation where I know I'm supposed to
get a couple of tasks accomplished, but I can't do
one because let's say I want to go to CBS
(30:23):
and get a flu shot, but I know that they're
closed for lunch. Okay, And I also that sort of thing.
It's I organize my day mentally. I don't write it
all down on a piece of paper, but I'm wondering
if that's an indicator and I'd have to talk to
somebody about it. I'm just telling you that's do you
(30:43):
can you identify with that, Daniel or No?
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Oh yeah, no, definitely. I mean, even as far as
things have to be a certain way, like organized the
way it could be something you still weirdraw, why do
you put the superspoone with the with the four you know,
the superpoon And what happens is.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, I'm more of a slob though in that regard,
if you saw my desk, you would not consider that
I was in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
Well, what happens is that if you know, like if
you go into your desk, for instance, and see that
and have a mental breakdown, that's what the problem happens.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know. It's like I know where everything is, I
know what's under the but but I also I also
have files, so a lot of stuff that I will
keep in a file and then every once in a
while I go in and I purged the files. And again,
I don't know if if there was a clinical psychologist
(31:36):
with us tonight, we could have that conversation and and
and see. But I'm just you know, I'm just trying
to explain that. Uh, it's there's a lot Look, no
one wants something like this, but uh, there's a lot worse,
you know, diagnoses.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
And I think it's important though when I think about
like children in school and how to teach the children
in school. So sometimes what happens is a certain way,
and these kids who undiagnosed to have autism then not
able to learn, yep, like they've you know, to learn.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Do you have Do you have a touch of Asperger's yourself?
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Sometimes I think I do?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Have you ever been diagnosed with it?
Speaker 8 (32:27):
Never diagnosed with?
Speaker 9 (32:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
But I do.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
I do.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
I learned techniques to deal with it, to deal.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
With when you say deal with it? What do you mean?
Deal with what? When you say deal with it?
Speaker 8 (32:37):
Like say, if somebody puts down you know, I go
in somewhere and it's out a place I know to
not have a breakdown if it's something I can't handle.
I learned just like.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Okay, so you're telling me that you have compensated, but
but you think down deep that you may have a
touch of this? Yeah, definitely, Okay, fair enough, Daniel, Thank
you for your honesty. Have you called my show before?
I know? I don't recall a conversation with you.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
No, No, I never asked me. The first time my
friend introduced me to ten thirty Am. So I said,
let me check it out. You need chime in, You
need to chime in. They're talking about this, talking about this,
I said, let me check it out.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Good for you. We'll give you a ronin mcclause from
my digital studio audience. As a first time caller. I
look forward to your calling again. Okay, my friend, thank
you very much.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
All right, take you have a great night.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
We'll take a quick break. Hopefully we'll get Steve from
Virginia Beach lined up. I got Jennison, Melrose and Carl
in New York. I got a little room for you.
I got one line at six one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty and one line at six one seven nine
three one. We're having honest conversation here in North America's
back porch. My name is Dan Ray, the host of
night Side.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
It's night Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're gonna go back
to Steve and Virginia Beach. Steve, I hope you in ahead.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Uh yeah, I hope I'm here too. I just had
trouble with my phone.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Okay, no problem. What is what you're what? What you got?
Full lines?
Speaker 10 (34:09):
We're going to have to ask you to be quick,
go right ahead, Okay, I'm gonna be quick on a
couple of two points. One is I don't think the
president should be giving medical advice. He's not a doctor,
and it hurts the credibility of the office and our country.
And also I think it really affects the value of
our dollar. It's what the other countries think of our country.
(34:31):
But I I want to just make another point. I
talked to you last Thursday, found this time right before
UH and I was saying, it's saying it's another subject
about Charlie Kirk and something being vague, and I just
want to make a quick point about how he jumped
off of the building when he left, and it didn't
look like he had a gun with him, But then
they said he wrapped it up and put it in
(34:53):
a bush.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So I just think I think that he had it
in a blanket. If you look at that video. I
really don't want to go there now because we're so
late on time. Look at the video, it looked as
if he had some sort of either a bag as
he came down. He didn't have what you think of
as a rifle, but he could have broken the stock
(35:15):
down and wrapped it in a in a blanket. Trust
me on that one. Okay, give a look at it
and call me back and let me know if you
if you agree.
Speaker 10 (35:23):
Okay, okay, thanks Ally, Dan, thank.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You, Steve, appreciate it very much. Just keep rolling. He're
going to go to Carl and New York. Collie, gotta
be quick for me, buddy, go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (35:33):
I had an interesting autism fact for you, Dan. I'm
left handed, and I'm left handed, and if you're left handed,
you're more likely susceptible to autism and Asperger's. We're ten
percent of the world's population. We're represented at twenty eight
percent of people who have autism.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Interesting statistic. I was unaware of it. Thank you. I
wish you'd called early. We could plummet a little bit
more and explore it a little bit more. But that
is interesting. Carl, thank you, Thank you very much. Let
me go to Janice in Melrose. Janis next on nights.
I gotta be quick for me. Jannis. I'm sorry, but
(36:10):
everybody's to calling it the last few minutes.
Speaker 9 (36:13):
I tuned in late, so excuse me if you already
talked about this, But it seemed like you were mentioning
the president's comments, but you didn't mention all the experts
in their comments.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, I just think that the president was what I heard.
I asked his comments were late, and I asked my
producer to pull some comments from the president. I just
thought that he was a little scattershot, that's all.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
But what he did, he tried to tell us what
the experts were going to talk about. And they shouldn't
have wasted time on having him do that. They should
have gone right to them.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Okay, So that's similar about that.
Speaker 9 (36:49):
He was some man said that he was practicing medicine,
but as I think it was McCarry, the one who
was at John Hopkins.
Speaker 12 (36:56):
He said that the study Jerry area even.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Carry I've had him on my show. He's a very
competent guy. Go ahead.
Speaker 9 (37:04):
He said that the studies I think there was out
of John Hopkins and out of Harvard ye, and that
those were two important, good studies to ignore, and that's
why they came out with their recommendation about time.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, fair enough, let's see where it goes. All we're doing,
all we're having is a conversation about it. Jennis, don't
don't take it. Don't take it.
Speaker 9 (37:23):
Personally, Chester saying it doesn't sound it sounds like people
are the president and the important people. And they're also
putting a lot of money into grants to look at
the causes. And as one of them said, there is
probably not one cause because there's so many different Well that's.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Fine, but certainly his his focus seemed the President's focus
seemed to be on Tylano, that's all.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
But he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Argue Janet. I'm not going to argue with you. I
got two other calls who also called it late. I
want to give everybody a quick chance. Okay, we may
we may hit this later this week. You can call
back and we can break it down a little bit further.
Fair enough, Okay, all right, much appreciate it. Let me
go real quickly to Sachi in saga. Sachi got room
for you in one more go ahead, Sachi.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
Then I do have an artisan, kid, but I don't
want to get into it right now. Okay, you know,
short of time. But the same ingredient that Tyler knows
is being used throughout the whole world is under the
name of parasdam all or they have a different name
called paradal throughout Asia and Europe. And there's no evidence
(38:35):
of people have artism. Only US has. Most of the
people who have the artism. I think it's more like
something else. It's like transclaimed the color quane.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, okay again, you're you're beyond me and this. You
better hear what you say.
Speaker 13 (38:56):
No, you're a short of time.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Thank you man. We'll talk soon earlier so we can
have a conversation longer. But I just am. I'm in
deep water with this part of the car. I don't
have much to add to it. So thanks thanks for
you called. Let me go findal wrap it up with
Ron and Newton rong. What do we get left here? Rob,
give me one minute? Okay, go ahead, Ron, we get
less than a minute.
Speaker 12 (39:17):
Go ahead, okay, Dan, Just one quick comment. Recent study
in Journal of the Journal of American Medical Association with
a prospective population size of two million, four hundred and
eighty thousand, seven ninety seven had a hazard ratio that
is being exposed and not exposed of one point oh
(39:38):
five for autism one point seven, which basically, if it's
a one, it doesn't indicate that exposure to the drug
creates a link.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Ron, give it to me in quick fifteen. Give it
to me in ten second language that my audience can understand.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
What are you saying okay, big, big population looked at
and they did not show they did not show a
risk in that although in the last ten hours the
Yale School of Public Health shows, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Ron, I'm gone way too long here. I gotta let
you go. We'll pick it up later in the week.
Thank you much, Rob Brooks, thank you, Marita, thank you
very much. We will end as always, all dogs, all cats,
all pets go to heaven. That's my pal Charlie Rays,
who passed fifteen years ago in February. That's why your
pets are pasted. They love you and you love them,
and I do believe you'll see them again. I'll see
(40:34):
you on Facebook nightside postgame in a couple of minutes,
and we'll see tomorrow night at eight o five on
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