November 24, 2025 • 41 mins
There is an update in the investigation into the tragic Boston Public Schools school bus accident that killed 5-year-old Lens Joseph in Hyde Park back in April of this year. The Boston Globe reports that there is a video recording that was shown to them that shows the bus driver did not appear to be watching the boy and his cousin after they exited the bus and where they were going. The video also showed the driver appearing to look down at the dashboard, not straight ahead when the bus hit and ran over Lens Joseph. The family has sued the driver and bus company, alleging their negligence and recklessness resulted in Lens’s death.
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It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's Radio.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
We started at nine o'clock tonight talking about video. There's
a story of the Boston Globe tomorrow morning. It cleared
digital Boston Globe today at six fifteen in the morning
by John Hilliard. It's a great story and I recommend
it highly. It talks about video showing to the Boston
Public School bus driver's eyes. We're off the road where
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the bus struck that Hyde Park kindergarter five year old
Lenz Joseph on April twenty eighth and killed the little
boy in the April crash. This is a horrific story,
and what is making it even worse, in my opinion,
is that nothing, nothing, no charge whatsoever has issued events
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against the bus driver. Now I'm just resetting it for
everybody who's tuning in at eleven o'clock. So this driver
who was driving without his certification to be a bus driver. Big,
big French company called Transdev has bus contracts all over America.
They're an eleven billion dollar French company US headquarters in Illinois.
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There have been the bus driver here in Boston since
twenty thirteen, twelve years. So this bus driver on that day,
it was a beautiful day, there was no problem with weather.
It was a beautiful late April day. Sideswipe some car
or cars in Mattapan. Never stopped, which is against the rules.
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Should have stopped. The bus called his supervisors, told them
what happened, notified the police. Never stopped. Then somehow, this
is the first time he's driven this route. He's trying
to figure out he's got a GPS. This is a
new boss. It's you know, twenty twenty three. He's got
a GPS monitor which he could have, you know, looked
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at to see where this kid lived. He drives, He
gets him to the wrong side of his street. So
this five year old and his eleven year old cousin
has to cross the street. The child and the cousin
they leave the bus and with a matter of seconds,
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the child is dead, run over by the very bus.
From the camera inside the bus. At two forty one
pm and forty four seconds. Sixteen seconds before two forty two,
they're walking up the aisle of the bus. Joseph lends
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Joseph and his cousin step off the bus. It's two
forty one pm and fifty five seconds. The driver's looking
at the dashboard, then out to his left through the
driver's side window. He looks back at the dashboard at
two forty one and fifty eight. He briefly glances to
his right in the direction where that children are, then
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up to the rearview mirror. The side door begins to close,
and by the time it shuts completely, the driver appears
to be looking again at the dashboard. It is two
forty two exactly. The bus begins to roll forward. The
view of the bus's exterior camera is blocked by the
vehicle's hood, but in the driver's side mirror, showing the bumper,
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the silhouette of a figure could be seen moving in
front of the passenger side of the bus. One second
after two forty two or three seconds excuse me, three
seconds after the doors are closed, three seconds this child's
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hit by the bus. For the camera inside the bus,
Charles still appears to have his eyes on the dashboard,
looks out through the window through the windshield between two
forty two pm one second and two seconds. At two
forty two pm three seconds, the driver is briefly bumped
up in his driver's seat as if his vehicle ran
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over something. In the next few moments, he's looking around
as if something has caught his attention. Four seconds later,
two forty two and seven seconds, he's looking to his
left out the driver's side window. Children on board the
bus are moving around and looking at something off camera.
At two forty two pm and nine seconds, yes, Charles
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reacts to something off camera. His left hand covers his mouth.
The bus comes to a complete stop two forty two
pm and eleven seconds, so between two in those eleven seconds,
the child alights from the bus. He's hit, dragged out
of the bus, and it's killed. And the district attorney
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in Boston has yet to bring any charge, even a
charge of vehicul homicide against the driver. Go to the phone.
It's going to go to Jennifer in Yarmouthpoort. Hi, Jennifer,
welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 9 (08:34):
Oh good?
Speaker 10 (08:35):
Joan.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
I'll make this really sure. I agree with all your callers,
everything that everyone in his town to say. I just
would like to say, I think somebody should think about
what the parents must be going through and a cousin
who was with this child.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
I mean, yes, yes, you.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Know, and I think that you know, you know, and
that's the only reason I could think of that. Maybe
you know, they're not pursuing this worried about what you know,
impossible retribution might come from the parents.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
You know, what what would come from the parents? I
missed what you said.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
There, Jennifer Well, I said any kind of retribution. You
know that they might you know, but you're thinking of
a lawsuit, and maybe that's why.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Well they have well they have. They have retained council
and they have filed a significant lawsuit against the City
of Boston UH and against the transportation company. This company
is called Transdev t r A N S D e V.
They're a French company. They're an eleven billion dollar company
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that has busy bus contracts across the United States. Why
we're not dealing with US companies with with school bus
contracts is beyond me, but that maybe they don't exist.
I don't know, but that's the situation. They need to
they need to have, I think. And the reason I'm
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doing this tonight, first of all, is that the Globe
does this great piece in the morning. I don't know
if you get a written copy of the Globe or
folks can go on it right now, just go on
the Globe website. Video shows bps bus driver's eyes were
off the road when High Park kindergartener was struck and
killed in April crash.
Speaker 9 (10:19):
Uh tragedy. It's unbelievable, you know. When I first started,
I'll like to think of this, Oh my gosh, those
poor parents losing a young child. And then to find
out everything that's come out afterwards, you know, it's even worse.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Well, it hit me really hard for a couple of reasons. One,
you know, I don't live in High Park anymore, but
that's where I grew up. My wife and I welcomed
a granddaughter the night before on April twenty seventh, which
was Sunday. That was the day that we had our
big event out in Westwood, a brunch on Sunday afternoon.
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And this little boy the next day is killed by
getting off the bus that that he was arriving on.
How does that right?
Speaker 11 (11:10):
Right?
Speaker 9 (11:10):
And you and your wife were probably thinking that could
have been my grandchild then, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Of course, Well that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
Yeah, it really is, Jennifer. I'm glad to hear that
you're going to pursue this. I think you have to.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Oh, I absolutely will, and I want the DA to
come on and explain to me. He and I both
went to the same law school. I'm a little older
than he is, but I want to know what's taken
so long? What you know, why are they hoping this
is going to you know, go away and people are
going to forget about it. They won't forget about it
on nightside, that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
No, we will not forget about it, definitely not.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Thanks Jennifer. Great to hear your voice. Thank you so
much for calling. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Oh, you're welcome and how they help you. Thanksgiving you too,
and thank you and thank you for your call. It's
by the way, that was great.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
No, I owed you that call, that's for sure. Thanks Jennifer.
You have a great Thanksgiving as well.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
Okay, okay, all right, jan talk soon, see you soon.
Speaker 10 (12:12):
Thanks all right much.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Let me keep rolling here, going to go to carol
In Randolph. Hey, Carol, thank you very much. You're next
on Nightside. Hey Dan, how are you a little upset tonight?
To be honest with you, but I'm trying to keep
it together.
Speaker 12 (12:28):
I thank you for keeping this little angel in the spotlight.
And I mean, what had happened to him is horrible,
and I just I mean the bus driver should have
definitely been charged. And I just look at trens Dev.
They were the only bidder for the Boston Public schools.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting? I did not know.
Speaker 12 (12:56):
I did some research on it. They were the only bidder.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Well, then it had to be. They've had the contract
since twenty thirteen. That's not a bad contract to have.
Speaker 12 (13:05):
And it was renewed in twenty twenty three for five
more years. Great twenty twenty eight. And I just you
know me, I'm a conspiracy theorist. We've talked about this before.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
But that's okay. Sometimes sometimes conspiracy theorists are right, so
they'll be they'll be shy, go ahead.
Speaker 12 (13:27):
I just think they wanted to push this under the rug.
Don't charge the driver, let's not get any more publicity
on this, get our contract in And they were the
only bidder.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Well, I mean they got the contract in you said
in twenty twenty three, right.
Speaker 12 (13:45):
In twenty twenty three, it was extended for another five years,
so they got that.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
But this occurred on April twenty eighth this year, So they.
Speaker 12 (13:59):
Got the contract, they have it till twenty twenty eighth.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Right, That's what I'm saying. So there was no I
just think that, but.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
They were the only bidder.
Speaker 12 (14:07):
No nobody wanted it.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah, I don't understand that. I mean, I would think
that they would be American companies that would look at
a contract like that and say, hey, it's it's desirable.
I don't know, I don't know. I'm not an expert there.
What I am an expert in is I understand how
I've covered enough cases and have involved in enough cases,
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you know, as a lawyer, I understand how the system works.
Charges should have been filed in this case. Even if
the charges, if they were to increase the charges later on,
you cook, you hook the case and you say, okay,
this is a vehicul homicide case. We can always upgrade
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the charges later. But but it's a problem. It's what's
called the private fature case. We know who was driving
the vehicle. We know which vehicle killed this child.
Speaker 12 (15:02):
That's it exactly. And then I mean, I guess he
was drug tested. It all came out negative. But that's fine.
But you press the charges and then you go to
court and figure it out what happened.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Well why, well again you got you got this video
that and again of course today, the District Attorney's Office,
Boston Police, and the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office, according
to the Globe, declined to comment. A statement but released
by a City hall spokesperson stated Lens's death quote continues
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to be deeply felt by the entire city and the
BPS community.
Speaker 11 (15:42):
Of course.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
But and there's still it's still under in memoration. It's like,
come on, there is something bigger going on here, and
I think it has to do with trends Dev and
their contract. And how about the guy that just got
like last week, the guy that ran the maintenance on
I'm a bus yard. We don't know who he worked for,
(16:03):
but he was responsible and he was taking bribes and
everything he works with trans Dev.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Come on, okay, well that will see I'm not familiar.
I should be familiar with that case. And I'm not,
so I'll try to get up to date on that.
But let me tell you, I'm I'm going to stay
on this. I guarantee every one of my listeners, anybody
who knows me. I worked for fifteen years on the
Joe Slovati.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
Case, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
You know, that was a pretty big case. I once
I get my teeth in a case, I don't want
to let it go. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 12 (16:38):
Well that that's why we love you, Dan, because you
hang on and you pursue and when something's wrong, it's wrong.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
And well, I totally I give all the credit to
the Globe on this story today. You can you read
it in a you can read it online. It's online
right now. Video shows you know.
Speaker 12 (16:57):
Where it also is, Dan, It's on the Daily Mail.
It's on National News now.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Okay, well that's the Daily Man will pick stuff up. Sure,
But as they say, people who at I get it.
I get the Globe on my doorstep every morning. But
I also have a digital as part of that. You
have a digital subscription. And I found this earlier today
and I said, okay, we're doing this tonight. That was
that was the decision I made about nine o'clock this morning.
Speaker 12 (17:22):
Oh, keep this little boys spirit alive and let's get him.
Justin said, sure word, Thanks, happy Thanksgiving, damn same to you.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Care We'll talk soon, Okay, thanks very.
Speaker 12 (17:32):
Much, Okay, take care bye YouTube.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Take a very quick break here. This is that quick
turnaround and get one more call in. I got a
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And I am disappointed that more of my listeners in Boston.
This is your city, folks, this is this is a
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story that has to be exposed. You want to talk
about transparency. All these politicians who talk about transparency, that's
that's that's the buzzword. Well, we need some transparency here.
Coming back on.
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Let's go to fill in Boston. Fill your next on
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Speaker 13 (18:25):
The subject well you.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Know what I mean. First of all, we're dealing with
the death of a child, the untimely, the unnecessary death
of a child. And Bob who is like Donald Trump,
is living in his head at Renfree you your thoughts
let's get me back on track.
Speaker 14 (18:45):
Phil, I thank you.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
I don't mean the bottom line is I think I'm
going to one thing up. We talk about him, his
life has been expired. And then, as a gentleman mentioned earlier,
the you have to get a physical every two years,
and sometimes they if you don't pass the physical, the
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high blood verssure yet a year to do it, then
they do with your license whatever. But the point I'm
guessing this, there's gonna be a connection between all these
people are There's gonna be something going on at the
other end because no one's talking about it. And I
don't want to use any names and legal, but you
talk about the thing, the cd O thing in broad
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down in those areas, and it just no one knows
seems to know what people are getting. There has to
be like, uh, a thousand bus drivers out there and
they always have always cels the intake crack or something
like that. It's in a small area like Boston. I mean,
it's kind of it's it's it's gonna be crazy, so
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I can see a few people through the cracks, but
that's probably what they're kind of keep and lo one
know that the bidding thing. It makes a lot of
sense that I didn't know about. Only went better the
multi land doll way. But I think, and I just
don't know if it makes any sense right now, But
there's gotta be a connection between as you do well,
(20:15):
whatever fall fall, the numbers that no big big content
one one one bitter uh. The CDL thing, which is
a proof of being problems down there with certain people
getting life that they shouldn't have. This thing is probably
development in the say she if anyone said in chat
(20:35):
said anything about this, there would blow no bus drivers
to be to be people the union get involved, these
people picking in the streets and be no one going anywhere.
This is what I'm big. It's gotta be a connection
between these three things.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
You know, Look, you may you may have analyzed it
better than I do. All I'm looking at. I'm looking
at the district attorney, who is a very laid back,
just st attorney.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
From the other end.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Well, I'm just saying that this is the case that
was a high profile case when it happened. Now six
months later, all of us are thinking about things like,
you know, Trump invading Venezuela. Maybe that's what Bob wanted
to talk about, or piece a piece deal now potentially
looking like possible, and between Russia and all that.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
I was there when they told that bus. But it happened,
I believe happened near the YMCA. Believe, I guess. I'm
just guessing.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
I have no idea it was. It was in Hyde Park,
which ym It wasn't near the No, no, no, that
that was not anywhere near that. It was over by
Fairmount in then.
Speaker 13 (21:44):
I was driving right by there.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
No, no, no, no, you know it's not near the
y m C A. I mean, I know with the YMC.
The ym CE is in the center. It's in Logan Square.
I grew up in Hyder right.
Speaker 13 (21:55):
Well that's what That's why I think it happened right now.
Speaker 14 (21:57):
I saw no, no, no, trust me.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Maybe the bus was being told through there. I don't
know that. But again, it was a Monday afternoon. It
would have had to have been April twenty eighth, okay,
and the accident took place because in this Globe article tomorrow,
it really does break it down the mistakes that this
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guy made. It was the first time drive. He was
a substitute driver that day, and he's on what they
call it Truman Parkway, I think of it as Truman Highway,
and they're going towards Glenwood Avenue, where the children live.
He's supposed to take a left turn onto Glenwood. Instead,
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he continues on down. Truman takes a left onto Tyler,
which parallels Glenwood. He drove down Tyler missed another left turn,
this time he goes on too Loring Street, which would
have allowed him to take a right onto Glenwood and
approach Len's home as planned. But in the video he
slows down. He missed that stop sign as well. Uh, Tyler,
I mean this, this guy hit no clue and he
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has GPS on his screen, so mentioned that well, that certainly,
I'm sure would have unsettled him. First of all, the
procedure is that if you're in a in an accident
as a bus driver, you're supposed to stop. You're supposed
to call call the thing in, have them called nine
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to one one. You're a bus driver, that's what you're
supposed to do. He just kept going. So he leaves
the scene of an accident there and he ends up
in a worse accident which involves I'm not suggesting for
a moment that this driver did anything intentionally to harm
this child. But it was his He was driving the
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bus that killed this child. There's no question about that.
It isn't a question of it was a kid hit
by a car? Was he hit by a taxi? Was
he hit by an uber? Was he hit by the No?
We know what hit him? Simple set, all right, Phil
has always appreciate your call. Thank you, Machin. Talk to you.
Okay now for the first time in three hours, we
got some open lines here, so I we're gonna go
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all the way to midnight with this. We had plan
to talk a little bit about the Thanksgiving costs. If
I have to, I can preview that for you tomorrow,
but I'd like to prefer much prefer to continue to
get your thoughts on this. Why has the DA Suffolk
County DA not brought charges against this driver? It's inexplicable
(24:31):
to me. I do not understand or see any reason
why charges would not have issued. Maybe there's someone out
there who's a better lawyer than I can am and
can explain it to me. I don't think so, but
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Here comes the news at the bottom of the hour. Again.
I'm off on Thursday and Friday this week there company holidays.
Bradley Jay will sit in for me on those two nights,
so we can you can talk to me tonight Tomorrow
night or Wednesday night, and after that I'm gone for
the week. Coming back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
It's Night Side, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
We were going to talk tonight about the cost of
Thanksgiving dinners this year, and and we'll talk about that
tomorrow night. I promise. We'll also talk at some point
later this week about how you're going to conduct yourself
at your Thanksgiving table, whether you're hosting or being a guest,
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and what advice will have. We'll talk about that a
little bit, and we we will. We're keeping our eye
on Venezuela and keeping our eye on what's going on
with with Ukraine, so believe me, we spend a lot
of time during the day trying to find important stories.
I found this story early this morning, and again, hats
(26:03):
off to John Hilliard. I don't know John, but he's
a reporter at the Globe, who's who saw? Has someone
showed him the video? I talked today with the plaintiff's
attorney for the Joseph family and his name is Attorney Fogelman,
and he I asked him specifically, and I said, you
(26:26):
don't have to answer this question if you want if
you don't want to. Matthew Fogelman is his name. I said,
did you show the video? Did you get the video
through deposition or something and show it to the Globe.
He says no. He says, I did not show it
to the Globe. So I take him in his word,
and I invited him tonight, but he said that he
felt that he would decline. He was with us last
(26:49):
June one night. So let's keep rolling here. I want
to thank everyone who's taken the time to call in tonight.
We've gotten the way time down a little bit. Let
we go to Tom and Norton. Oh, Tom has his
phone turned up, so let's do this. Let's have Rob
give Tom the instructions that you've got to have that
phone turned down, and we'll go to Chris, who's a
(27:10):
regular caller from the Cape. Chris, you were next on Nisager.
Right ahead, Hi, Dan, Hi Chris.
Speaker 11 (27:18):
I think that it's great that you're pressing on with this.
I cannot admit you and I as normal operators and
motor vehicles, not with a heightened sense of an advanced
license that a bus driver would need. If you get
stopped and your licenses expired, you get a citation. If
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you hit and run with property damage, you not only
get a citation, but you get a criminal complaint. What
about those poor little kids that witnessed all of this.
One the bus driver hit and run, kept going and
then killed one of their classmates. I think it is
terrific that you are pressing down in the DA's office.
(28:00):
Where were the police. If there's a lack of citation
given from moving violations, there could be a defense that
unless you give that citation within three days of the offense,
it's an absolute defense. I think there's a big hide
and seek going on here, and I'm very happy that
(28:23):
you're pursuing it.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Well. I promise you I would stick with it. If
you know anything about my career as a television reporter,
I tended to be, you know, sort of what was
considered to be a bulldog reporter. Once I got in
a story. I worked the story because I wanted to
get some results. One story I worked for fifteen years
resulted in the acquittal of Joe Silvadi, who would serve
(28:46):
thirty years in prison for a murder he had nothing
to do with. Also Peter Lamoni, another gentleman who had
been convicted of a crime wrongfully intentionally by corrupt FBI agents.
I stay with that story. That's probably the biggest story
of my career. I also did stories that put perennial
presidential candidate Little Roution in jail for nine years in
(29:06):
prison he was running a Ponzi scheme to frauding widows
of Texas oilmen. These are really good television stories. This
is a story I'm now in a different role. I'm
a talk show host. So I have a microphone and
I'm going to use that microphone and I'm going to
use it however long I have the opportunity to use
it to try to bring justice for people, and in
(29:29):
this case that I'm trying to bring justice for a
little boy who was killed on April twenty eighth, named
Lenz Joseph.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
So do I understand that the operator of this bus
was not even given a civil let alone a criminal citation.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Nothing as far as I know, and according to the
Globe story as.
Speaker 11 (29:49):
Well, I haven't read the Globes story, but.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Well, the Globe, the Globe.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
The Globe story is just that.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
The Globe story is online. But I have followed this
case very closely. And by the way, the Globe story will,
I assume will be in the print version tomorrow. It
hit the digital website of The Globe at six forty
five am this morning, and it's a breakdown. The Globe
reporter has seen the video, the two minutes of video
(30:18):
up to and including the accident. Now he didn't disclose
where he saw it from, but I'm assuming as a
reporter for the Globe, he saw it, and he explains
it second by second and literally this child that stepped
off the bus at two forty two and like within
(30:39):
three or four or five seconds, he's under the bus.
That's It's not as if the bus driver had waited
and waited and he thought the kid had cleared, but
the kid came running back and the bus drid No,
this bus driver dropped the kid off on the wrong
side of the street and within two or three second
(31:00):
was rolling.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
Very tragic anyway, thank you.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I will stick with it. Thank you for calling. And
I'm gonna go to Rick and Bill Rick or Rick
are you there?
Speaker 14 (31:12):
Yeah, I'm there. How are you good?
Speaker 11 (31:13):
Rick?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Appreciate it. Nice to know you're there. Peter, for some reason,
you hear us. But that's okay.
Speaker 14 (31:18):
He'll be he'll be in on on in the second.
I'll make it fast. I like what Chris said a lot,
and I appreciate your pressing on too. If that was
the son or daughter it was, it was a son.
If that was the son of a politician, oh my god, yeah,
it'd be trouble well.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
If if it can you imagine, in all honesty, if
this had happened in one of the I don't know,
wealthier suburbs around Boston. Seriously, do you think that six
months later, almost seven months later, would be asking these questions?
Speaker 14 (31:53):
No, I don't think so. And listen, I I'm sure
that guy didn't mean to do what he does, but
he is a very responsible job and you can't all
it takes is one time. I feel bad that it
happened to the guy, but the family lost their child.
How old was a child again?
Speaker 13 (32:11):
Nine? Five five years old?
Speaker 14 (32:15):
You you have to Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
I mean that's a kindergarten student five years.
Speaker 14 (32:20):
Old, yeah, or even before kindergarten, preschool or okay, kindergarten, whatever.
But that's terrible.
Speaker 13 (32:28):
You know, you have to don't don't take an extra
responsible job unless you're going to be all eyes.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
But again, the if you look at this in context,
he's driving without his certification. His certification expired in December.
The company has a responsibility to make sure the people
who are driving Okay area are doing the right thing.
Number one. Number two, he has an act and he
(33:00):
sideswipes another car or cars in Mattapan, doesn't stop, doesn't
call the accident in and then he gets this kid.
He's obviously confused. He's driving this route for the first time.
He's probably upset. He drops the kid off on the
wrong side of the street. He's supposed to drop the
kid off on the side of the street where his
(33:20):
house is. So the kid gets off the bus, steps
forward two or three steps, and he's at his home. Yeah.
Speaker 14 (33:28):
Yeah, and the little boy, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
He sideswiped a couple of cars like fifteen minutes earlier
in Matapan and never stopped, never reported it. And nothing
has issued against him for this, this comedy of errors,
which is a tragedy.
Speaker 14 (33:50):
Yeah, I know the expression yeah sure should have stopped?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, should have should have stopped, should have
called it in. He did none of that, and he
is he at this point hasn't been charged with anything.
Where's the district attorney? And we've heard nothing from the DA,
no comment. Great story in the Globe. You read it
tomorrow or you can see it online right now.
Speaker 14 (34:15):
I can read it.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Sure, But well, I'm just saying, is that that's what we're
you know, we're we're and I will stick with this story.
I promise you. Rick. I got you in here, but
I'm a little past my break, so I gotta let
you run. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Rick. Thanks you for
being such a longline tied listener.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Thank you. Have a great one. Okay, we do it.
Peter from Rockport. We'll get him right after the break.
I also got bj and Acton, David and Pennsylvania and
Jim and Kingston.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
It's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Okay, we got Peter from Rockport. Back Peter, hopefully the
audio is perfect.
Speaker 15 (34:50):
Right ahead, now you would take my card. Man. Listen
about the third or fourth time you've talked about this.
I've never heard anything worse than this five year old
bo He's never coming back. His poor parents cross, the
commissioner did nothing, None of them did nothing. It's just
a tragedy.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Well, I thank you for your supporting this one, Peter,
and I'm glad we got we got your your soundback.
It sounds much better and I need more people to call.
Every time I do this. I want people to rise up.
Everybody is always upset with city Hall, but you can
fight city hall if we all stand up right.
Speaker 15 (35:29):
Last night you sold me you want to send me
a toad day, which is nice.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yep. It should be in the mail today.
Speaker 15 (35:36):
Peter, have a good money, You have a good day,
have a good thanks, Joan. I'm mad as hell about.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
This, all right, Thanks Peter, you're on the money there, Rob,
you got it. I missed it. Let's go to Jim
and Kingston. Jim next on Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 15 (35:50):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (35:50):
I'm great, Dana. I'm very sad that this tragedy had
to happen.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
But it didn't have to happen. It's tragedy. Tragedy happened.
Speaker 10 (35:59):
It happened unfortunately.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
Actually as a cd L holder and a passenger endorsement, uh,
I can relate uh to this. I've never actually driven
the bus, but uh I've driven other trucks and so forth.
Diesel mechanic. Now, yeah, one thing that has not been
Uh has the Has that person that was behind the
(36:25):
wheel been identified?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (36:27):
Actually by name?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yes, his name is according to the Globe and including
other stories I've read, his name is Jean Charles, j E. N. Charles,
c H A R L E S. John Charles.
Speaker 11 (36:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Other thing is that, uh, you know, no accidents happened
to everybody. Uh, but uh, you know, he just wonders
sometimes if it if it's a problem. I know that
cd L holder. Uh down a LA that did the
U turn. Yeah, he tried to escape back to his
(37:04):
own country.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Well he tried. He did a U turn and on
a major road, and I think he called three people
their lives in this case. I don't know if you
know what this gentleman's background is. Could be a lifelong
resident of Boston. I have no clue. I've seen nothing
like that. All I have is his name, simple as that. Okay,
all right, you appreciate you call. I got two money
(37:26):
out to give her mind buddy, Thank you much appreciate it.
David in Pennsylvania, David, thanks for calling in. Don't know
if you have much info on this down in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 16 (37:34):
Go right ahead, Yes, I heard a bit about it.
Speaker 11 (37:37):
Good evening.
Speaker 16 (37:39):
First of all, the appropriate charge, if he had those
all the cerifications up to day, it would have been
an involuntary mindslaughter an accidental death of another individual. But
because of the fact that he was out of compliance
with his thing, that now raises the charge to manslaughter,
a deliberate attempt at murder, dude, in neglige.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
No, that's not the way the laws written in Massachusetts.
I'm not a Pennsylvania lawyer, but this would be, in
my opinion, at most, an involuntary manslaughter. That's at most okay.
Speaker 16 (38:14):
Then I'll agree with that, you know, but involuntary manslaughter
is a serious charge and can be a substantial prison
term and fine and whatever. But the second thing, if
this person a US citizen or not a US citizen,
that seems no idea strange.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
I have no idea, no idea. There's been no mention
of it in any of the coverage that I have seen,
and to me, it's irrelevant at this point.
Speaker 16 (38:38):
Well, the thing about the relevance of it is if
he has a passport, has it been seized? You know,
But he's not been charged.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
So unless unless his lawyer said, okay, look, I'll give
you his passport. I promise you he will not leave
the country. Maybe they've put some sort of a tracking
device on his ankle. I don't know, but we found
out today tracking devices can be cut off. There was
some woman who was committed out in Wisconsin.
Speaker 16 (39:07):
The slender Yeah, okay, she should have never been released
in the first place. But you know, there has to
be precautions to keep this person in the United States.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
We talked about that earlier tonight. You're absolutely right, David.
I know you've you've waited a long time, or actually
not as long as most other people. But no, I
don't think you're off for forty minutes. Trust me on that.
There were people who waited in the last hour. We'd
moved pretty quickly.
Speaker 16 (39:35):
I try to call in a couple of times.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Yeah, right, well, I'm glad you get in. I got
one behind you who's only going to get about a
minute I'd love to be able to accommodate him as well,
if possible. An the point you want to add.
Speaker 16 (39:46):
Go go right ahead, now, be safe and enjoy your
family this weekend, and you have great Thanksgiving as well.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Thanks, Thanks, David, I appreciate it. Thanks for listening down
in Pennsylvania. Appreciate it, BJ, BJ in acton, we're tired
in time. What do we got rob here? A little
bit more than a minute? Okay, go ahead, go ahead, BJ.
Speaker 17 (40:04):
Yes, Dan, I think that, uh, we got a problem
in this country with the wheels of justice turning too slowly.
I agree with you about this uh uh this district
attorney not bringing the charges soon enough.
Speaker 11 (40:18):
There.
Speaker 17 (40:19):
Yeah, I think we should start introducing legislation to uh
to turn the wheels of justice more quickly.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
I don't think you need legislation. I think you have
to worry about who you elected these offices and if
you know, prosecutors should be fair, uh, but they should
be swift.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
And and six six six almost seven months here too
much time, BJ. You got the final word, but I
got I wish you called it earlier. I gotta I
gotta run for now. We'll be back tomorrow night.
Speaker 12 (40:48):
Thanks bj Thanks Dan, have a happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Happy Thanksgiving you and yours as well. Rob Brooks, good
job tonight. I want to thank Marita. We did not
get to our topic of the night. We'll get to
that tomorrow. The cost of Thanksgiving dinners actually are less
this year than a year ago. We'll talk about that
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Speaker 6 (03:29):
We started at nine o'clock tonight talking about video. There's
a story of the Boston Globe tomorrow morning. It cleared
digital Boston Globe today at six fifteen in the morning
by John Hilliard. It's a great story and I recommend
it highly. It talks about video showing to the Boston
Public School bus driver's eyes. We're off the road where
(03:52):
the bus struck that Hyde Park kindergarter five year old
Lenz Joseph on April twenty eighth and killed the little
boy in the April crash. This is a horrific story,
and what is making it even worse, in my opinion,
is that nothing, nothing, no charge whatsoever has issued events
(04:21):
against the bus driver. Now I'm just resetting it for
everybody who's tuning in at eleven o'clock. So this driver
who was driving without his certification to be a bus driver. Big,
big French company called Transdev has bus contracts all over America.
They're an eleven billion dollar French company US headquarters in Illinois.
(04:46):
There have been the bus driver here in Boston since
twenty thirteen, twelve years. So this bus driver on that day,
it was a beautiful day, there was no problem with weather.
It was a beautiful late April day. Sideswipe some car
or cars in Mattapan. Never stopped, which is against the rules.
(05:08):
Should have stopped. The bus called his supervisors, told them
what happened, notified the police. Never stopped. Then somehow, this
is the first time he's driven this route. He's trying
to figure out he's got a GPS. This is a
new boss. It's you know, twenty twenty three. He's got
a GPS monitor which he could have, you know, looked
(05:28):
at to see where this kid lived. He drives, He
gets him to the wrong side of his street. So
this five year old and his eleven year old cousin
has to cross the street. The child and the cousin
they leave the bus and with a matter of seconds,
(05:49):
the child is dead, run over by the very bus.
From the camera inside the bus. At two forty one
pm and forty four seconds. Sixteen seconds before two forty two,
they're walking up the aisle of the bus. Joseph lends
(06:10):
Joseph and his cousin step off the bus. It's two
forty one pm and fifty five seconds. The driver's looking
at the dashboard, then out to his left through the
driver's side window. He looks back at the dashboard at
two forty one and fifty eight. He briefly glances to
his right in the direction where that children are, then
(06:32):
up to the rearview mirror. The side door begins to close,
and by the time it shuts completely, the driver appears
to be looking again at the dashboard. It is two
forty two exactly. The bus begins to roll forward. The
view of the bus's exterior camera is blocked by the
vehicle's hood, but in the driver's side mirror, showing the bumper,
(06:56):
the silhouette of a figure could be seen moving in
front of the passenger side of the bus. One second
after two forty two or three seconds excuse me, three
seconds after the doors are closed, three seconds this child's
(07:18):
hit by the bus. For the camera inside the bus,
Charles still appears to have his eyes on the dashboard,
looks out through the window through the windshield between two
forty two pm one second and two seconds. At two
forty two pm three seconds, the driver is briefly bumped
up in his driver's seat as if his vehicle ran
(07:40):
over something. In the next few moments, he's looking around
as if something has caught his attention. Four seconds later,
two forty two and seven seconds, he's looking to his
left out the driver's side window. Children on board the
bus are moving around and looking at something off camera.
At two forty two pm and nine seconds, yes, Charles
(08:01):
reacts to something off camera. His left hand covers his mouth.
The bus comes to a complete stop two forty two
pm and eleven seconds, so between two in those eleven seconds,
the child alights from the bus. He's hit, dragged out
of the bus, and it's killed. And the district attorney
(08:22):
in Boston has yet to bring any charge, even a
charge of vehicul homicide against the driver. Go to the phone.
It's going to go to Jennifer in Yarmouthpoort. Hi, Jennifer,
welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 9 (08:34):
Oh good?
Speaker 10 (08:35):
Joan.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
I'll make this really sure. I agree with all your callers,
everything that everyone in his town to say. I just
would like to say, I think somebody should think about
what the parents must be going through and a cousin
who was with this child.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
I mean, yes, yes, you.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Know, and I think that you know, you know, and
that's the only reason I could think of that. Maybe
you know, they're not pursuing this worried about what you know,
impossible retribution might come from the parents.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
You know, what what would come from the parents? I
missed what you said.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
There, Jennifer Well, I said any kind of retribution. You
know that they might you know, but you're thinking of
a lawsuit, and maybe that's why.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Well they have well they have. They have retained council
and they have filed a significant lawsuit against the City
of Boston UH and against the transportation company. This company
is called Transdev t r A N S D e V.
They're a French company. They're an eleven billion dollar company
(09:37):
that has busy bus contracts across the United States. Why
we're not dealing with US companies with with school bus
contracts is beyond me, but that maybe they don't exist.
I don't know, but that's the situation. They need to
they need to have, I think. And the reason I'm
(10:01):
doing this tonight, first of all, is that the Globe
does this great piece in the morning. I don't know
if you get a written copy of the Globe or
folks can go on it right now, just go on
the Globe website. Video shows bps bus driver's eyes were
off the road when High Park kindergartener was struck and
killed in April crash.
Speaker 9 (10:19):
Uh tragedy. It's unbelievable, you know. When I first started,
I'll like to think of this, Oh my gosh, those
poor parents losing a young child. And then to find
out everything that's come out afterwards, you know, it's even worse.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Well, it hit me really hard for a couple of reasons. One,
you know, I don't live in High Park anymore, but
that's where I grew up. My wife and I welcomed
a granddaughter the night before on April twenty seventh, which
was Sunday. That was the day that we had our
big event out in Westwood, a brunch on Sunday afternoon.
(11:00):
And this little boy the next day is killed by
getting off the bus that that he was arriving on.
How does that right?
Speaker 11 (11:10):
Right?
Speaker 9 (11:10):
And you and your wife were probably thinking that could
have been my grandchild then, you know.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Of course, Well that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
Yeah, it really is, Jennifer. I'm glad to hear that
you're going to pursue this. I think you have to.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
Oh, I absolutely will, and I want the DA to
come on and explain to me. He and I both
went to the same law school. I'm a little older
than he is, but I want to know what's taken
so long? What you know, why are they hoping this
is going to you know, go away and people are
going to forget about it. They won't forget about it
on nightside, that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
No, we will not forget about it, definitely not.
Speaker 6 (11:49):
Thanks Jennifer. Great to hear your voice. Thank you so
much for calling. I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Oh, you're welcome and how they help you. Thanksgiving you too,
and thank you and thank you for your call. It's
by the way, that was great.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
No, I owed you that call, that's for sure. Thanks Jennifer.
You have a great Thanksgiving as well.
Speaker 9 (12:08):
Okay, okay, all right, jan talk soon, see you soon.
Speaker 10 (12:12):
Thanks all right much.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
Let me keep rolling here, going to go to carol
In Randolph. Hey, Carol, thank you very much. You're next
on Nightside. Hey Dan, how are you a little upset tonight?
To be honest with you, but I'm trying to keep
it together.
Speaker 12 (12:28):
I thank you for keeping this little angel in the spotlight.
And I mean, what had happened to him is horrible,
and I just I mean the bus driver should have
definitely been charged. And I just look at trens Dev.
They were the only bidder for the Boston Public schools.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting? I did not know.
Speaker 12 (12:56):
I did some research on it. They were the only bidder.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
Well, then it had to be. They've had the contract
since twenty thirteen. That's not a bad contract to have.
Speaker 12 (13:05):
And it was renewed in twenty twenty three for five
more years. Great twenty twenty eight. And I just you
know me, I'm a conspiracy theorist. We've talked about this before.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
But that's okay. Sometimes sometimes conspiracy theorists are right, so
they'll be they'll be shy, go ahead.
Speaker 12 (13:27):
I just think they wanted to push this under the rug.
Don't charge the driver, let's not get any more publicity
on this, get our contract in And they were the
only bidder.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
Well, I mean they got the contract in you said
in twenty twenty three, right.
Speaker 12 (13:45):
In twenty twenty three, it was extended for another five years,
so they got that.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
But this occurred on April twenty eighth this year, So they.
Speaker 12 (13:59):
Got the contract, they have it till twenty twenty eighth.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
Right, That's what I'm saying. So there was no I
just think that, but.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
They were the only bidder.
Speaker 12 (14:07):
No nobody wanted it.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah, I don't understand that. I mean, I would think
that they would be American companies that would look at
a contract like that and say, hey, it's it's desirable.
I don't know, I don't know. I'm not an expert there.
What I am an expert in is I understand how
I've covered enough cases and have involved in enough cases,
(14:31):
you know, as a lawyer, I understand how the system works.
Charges should have been filed in this case. Even if
the charges, if they were to increase the charges later on,
you cook, you hook the case and you say, okay,
this is a vehicul homicide case. We can always upgrade
(14:51):
the charges later. But but it's a problem. It's what's
called the private fature case. We know who was driving
the vehicle. We know which vehicle killed this child.
Speaker 12 (15:02):
That's it exactly. And then I mean, I guess he
was drug tested. It all came out negative. But that's fine.
But you press the charges and then you go to
court and figure it out what happened.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Well why, well again you got you got this video
that and again of course today, the District Attorney's Office,
Boston Police, and the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office, according
to the Globe, declined to comment. A statement but released
by a City hall spokesperson stated Lens's death quote continues
(15:36):
to be deeply felt by the entire city and the
BPS community.
Speaker 11 (15:42):
Of course.
Speaker 12 (15:42):
But and there's still it's still under in memoration. It's like,
come on, there is something bigger going on here, and
I think it has to do with trends Dev and
their contract. And how about the guy that just got
like last week, the guy that ran the maintenance on
I'm a bus yard. We don't know who he worked for,
(16:03):
but he was responsible and he was taking bribes and
everything he works with trans Dev.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
Come on, okay, well that will see I'm not familiar.
I should be familiar with that case. And I'm not,
so I'll try to get up to date on that.
But let me tell you, I'm I'm going to stay
on this. I guarantee every one of my listeners, anybody
who knows me. I worked for fifteen years on the
Joe Slovati.
Speaker 12 (16:27):
Case, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
You know, that was a pretty big case. I once
I get my teeth in a case, I don't want
to let it go. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 12 (16:38):
Well that that's why we love you, Dan, because you
hang on and you pursue and when something's wrong, it's wrong.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
And well, I totally I give all the credit to
the Globe on this story today. You can you read
it in a you can read it online. It's online
right now. Video shows you know.
Speaker 12 (16:57):
Where it also is, Dan, It's on the Daily Mail.
It's on National News now.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Okay, well that's the Daily Man will pick stuff up. Sure,
But as they say, people who at I get it.
I get the Globe on my doorstep every morning. But
I also have a digital as part of that. You
have a digital subscription. And I found this earlier today
and I said, okay, we're doing this tonight. That was
that was the decision I made about nine o'clock this morning.
Speaker 12 (17:22):
Oh, keep this little boys spirit alive and let's get him.
Justin said, sure word, Thanks, happy Thanksgiving, damn same to you.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Care We'll talk soon, Okay, thanks very.
Speaker 12 (17:32):
Much, Okay, take care bye YouTube.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
Take a very quick break here. This is that quick
turnaround and get one more call in. I got a
couple of lines open for the first time tonight. If
you've been trying to get through dial now six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
And I am disappointed that more of my listeners in Boston.
This is your city, folks, this is this is a
(17:57):
story that has to be exposed. You want to talk
about transparency. All these politicians who talk about transparency, that's
that's that's the buzzword. Well, we need some transparency here.
Coming back on.
Speaker 8 (18:11):
Night Side, you're on Nightside's news radio.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Let's go to fill in Boston. Fill your next on
night Side.
Speaker 13 (18:25):
The subject well you.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Know what I mean. First of all, we're dealing with
the death of a child, the untimely, the unnecessary death
of a child. And Bob who is like Donald Trump,
is living in his head at Renfree you your thoughts
let's get me back on track.
Speaker 14 (18:45):
Phil, I thank you.
Speaker 13 (18:47):
I don't mean the bottom line is I think I'm
going to one thing up. We talk about him, his
life has been expired. And then, as a gentleman mentioned earlier,
the you have to get a physical every two years,
and sometimes they if you don't pass the physical, the
(19:09):
high blood verssure yet a year to do it, then
they do with your license whatever. But the point I'm
guessing this, there's gonna be a connection between all these
people are There's gonna be something going on at the
other end because no one's talking about it. And I
don't want to use any names and legal, but you
talk about the thing, the cd O thing in broad
(19:33):
down in those areas, and it just no one knows
seems to know what people are getting. There has to
be like, uh, a thousand bus drivers out there and
they always have always cels the intake crack or something
like that. It's in a small area like Boston. I mean,
it's kind of it's it's it's gonna be crazy, so
(19:55):
I can see a few people through the cracks, but
that's probably what they're kind of keep and lo one
know that the bidding thing. It makes a lot of
sense that I didn't know about. Only went better the
multi land doll way. But I think, and I just
don't know if it makes any sense right now, But
there's gotta be a connection between as you do well,
(20:15):
whatever fall fall, the numbers that no big big content
one one one bitter uh. The CDL thing, which is
a proof of being problems down there with certain people
getting life that they shouldn't have. This thing is probably
development in the say she if anyone said in chat
(20:35):
said anything about this, there would blow no bus drivers
to be to be people the union get involved, these
people picking in the streets and be no one going anywhere.
This is what I'm big. It's gotta be a connection
between these three things.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
You know, Look, you may you may have analyzed it
better than I do. All I'm looking at. I'm looking
at the district attorney, who is a very laid back,
just st attorney.
Speaker 13 (21:02):
From the other end.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Well, I'm just saying that this is the case that
was a high profile case when it happened. Now six
months later, all of us are thinking about things like,
you know, Trump invading Venezuela. Maybe that's what Bob wanted
to talk about, or piece a piece deal now potentially
looking like possible, and between Russia and all that.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
I was there when they told that bus. But it happened,
I believe happened near the YMCA. Believe, I guess. I'm
just guessing.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
I have no idea it was. It was in Hyde Park,
which ym It wasn't near the No, no, no, that
that was not anywhere near that. It was over by
Fairmount in then.
Speaker 13 (21:44):
I was driving right by there.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
No, no, no, no, you know it's not near the
y m C A. I mean, I know with the YMC.
The ym CE is in the center. It's in Logan Square.
I grew up in Hyder right.
Speaker 13 (21:55):
Well that's what That's why I think it happened right now.
Speaker 14 (21:57):
I saw no, no, no, trust me.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Maybe the bus was being told through there. I don't
know that. But again, it was a Monday afternoon. It
would have had to have been April twenty eighth, okay,
and the accident took place because in this Globe article tomorrow,
it really does break it down the mistakes that this
(22:23):
guy made. It was the first time drive. He was
a substitute driver that day, and he's on what they
call it Truman Parkway, I think of it as Truman Highway,
and they're going towards Glenwood Avenue, where the children live.
He's supposed to take a left turn onto Glenwood. Instead,
(22:44):
he continues on down. Truman takes a left onto Tyler,
which parallels Glenwood. He drove down Tyler missed another left turn,
this time he goes on too Loring Street, which would
have allowed him to take a right onto Glenwood and
approach Len's home as planned. But in the video he
slows down. He missed that stop sign as well. Uh, Tyler,
I mean this, this guy hit no clue and he
(23:06):
has GPS on his screen, so mentioned that well, that certainly,
I'm sure would have unsettled him. First of all, the
procedure is that if you're in a in an accident
as a bus driver, you're supposed to stop. You're supposed
to call call the thing in, have them called nine
(23:27):
to one one. You're a bus driver, that's what you're
supposed to do. He just kept going. So he leaves
the scene of an accident there and he ends up
in a worse accident which involves I'm not suggesting for
a moment that this driver did anything intentionally to harm
this child. But it was his He was driving the
(23:48):
bus that killed this child. There's no question about that.
It isn't a question of it was a kid hit
by a car? Was he hit by a taxi? Was
he hit by an uber? Was he hit by the No?
We know what hit him? Simple set, all right, Phil
has always appreciate your call. Thank you, Machin. Talk to you.
Okay now for the first time in three hours, we
got some open lines here, so I we're gonna go
(24:11):
all the way to midnight with this. We had plan
to talk a little bit about the Thanksgiving costs. If
I have to, I can preview that for you tomorrow,
but I'd like to prefer much prefer to continue to
get your thoughts on this. Why has the DA Suffolk
County DA not brought charges against this driver? It's inexplicable
(24:31):
to me. I do not understand or see any reason
why charges would not have issued. Maybe there's someone out
there who's a better lawyer than I can am and
can explain it to me. I don't think so, but
I'll be happy to hear if you'd like six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty one line there and six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. This is night Side. It's eleven thirty two.
(24:53):
Here comes the news at the bottom of the hour. Again.
I'm off on Thursday and Friday this week there company holidays.
Bradley Jay will sit in for me on those two nights,
so we can you can talk to me tonight Tomorrow
night or Wednesday night, and after that I'm gone for
the week. Coming back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
It's Night Side, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
We were going to talk tonight about the cost of
Thanksgiving dinners this year, and and we'll talk about that
tomorrow night. I promise. We'll also talk at some point
later this week about how you're going to conduct yourself
at your Thanksgiving table, whether you're hosting or being a guest,
(25:41):
and what advice will have. We'll talk about that a
little bit, and we we will. We're keeping our eye
on Venezuela and keeping our eye on what's going on
with with Ukraine, so believe me, we spend a lot
of time during the day trying to find important stories.
I found this story early this morning, and again, hats
(26:03):
off to John Hilliard. I don't know John, but he's
a reporter at the Globe, who's who saw? Has someone
showed him the video? I talked today with the plaintiff's
attorney for the Joseph family and his name is Attorney Fogelman,
and he I asked him specifically, and I said, you
(26:26):
don't have to answer this question if you want if
you don't want to. Matthew Fogelman is his name. I said,
did you show the video? Did you get the video
through deposition or something and show it to the Globe.
He says no. He says, I did not show it
to the Globe. So I take him in his word,
and I invited him tonight, but he said that he
felt that he would decline. He was with us last
(26:49):
June one night. So let's keep rolling here. I want
to thank everyone who's taken the time to call in tonight.
We've gotten the way time down a little bit. Let
we go to Tom and Norton. Oh, Tom has his
phone turned up, so let's do this. Let's have Rob
give Tom the instructions that you've got to have that
phone turned down, and we'll go to Chris, who's a
(27:10):
regular caller from the Cape. Chris, you were next on Nisager.
Right ahead, Hi, Dan, Hi Chris.
Speaker 11 (27:18):
I think that it's great that you're pressing on with this.
I cannot admit you and I as normal operators and
motor vehicles, not with a heightened sense of an advanced
license that a bus driver would need. If you get
stopped and your licenses expired, you get a citation. If
(27:39):
you hit and run with property damage, you not only
get a citation, but you get a criminal complaint. What
about those poor little kids that witnessed all of this.
One the bus driver hit and run, kept going and
then killed one of their classmates. I think it is
terrific that you are pressing down in the DA's office.
(28:00):
Where were the police. If there's a lack of citation
given from moving violations, there could be a defense that
unless you give that citation within three days of the offense,
it's an absolute defense. I think there's a big hide
and seek going on here, and I'm very happy that
(28:23):
you're pursuing it.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
Well. I promise you I would stick with it. If
you know anything about my career as a television reporter,
I tended to be, you know, sort of what was
considered to be a bulldog reporter. Once I got in
a story. I worked the story because I wanted to
get some results. One story I worked for fifteen years
resulted in the acquittal of Joe Silvadi, who would serve
(28:46):
thirty years in prison for a murder he had nothing
to do with. Also Peter Lamoni, another gentleman who had
been convicted of a crime wrongfully intentionally by corrupt FBI agents.
I stay with that story. That's probably the biggest story
of my career. I also did stories that put perennial
presidential candidate Little Roution in jail for nine years in
(29:06):
prison he was running a Ponzi scheme to frauding widows
of Texas oilmen. These are really good television stories. This
is a story I'm now in a different role. I'm
a talk show host. So I have a microphone and
I'm going to use that microphone and I'm going to
use it however long I have the opportunity to use
it to try to bring justice for people, and in
(29:29):
this case that I'm trying to bring justice for a
little boy who was killed on April twenty eighth, named
Lenz Joseph.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
So do I understand that the operator of this bus
was not even given a civil let alone a criminal citation.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Nothing as far as I know, and according to the
Globe story as.
Speaker 11 (29:49):
Well, I haven't read the Globes story, but.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Well, the Globe, the Globe.
Speaker 11 (29:54):
The Globe story is just that.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
The Globe story is online. But I have followed this
case very closely. And by the way, the Globe story will,
I assume will be in the print version tomorrow. It
hit the digital website of The Globe at six forty
five am this morning, and it's a breakdown. The Globe
reporter has seen the video, the two minutes of video
(30:18):
up to and including the accident. Now he didn't disclose
where he saw it from, but I'm assuming as a
reporter for the Globe, he saw it, and he explains
it second by second and literally this child that stepped
off the bus at two forty two and like within
(30:39):
three or four or five seconds, he's under the bus.
That's It's not as if the bus driver had waited
and waited and he thought the kid had cleared, but
the kid came running back and the bus drid No,
this bus driver dropped the kid off on the wrong
side of the street and within two or three second
(31:00):
was rolling.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
Very tragic anyway, thank you.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I will stick with it. Thank you for calling. And
I'm gonna go to Rick and Bill Rick or Rick
are you there?
Speaker 14 (31:12):
Yeah, I'm there. How are you good?
Speaker 11 (31:13):
Rick?
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Appreciate it. Nice to know you're there. Peter, for some reason,
you hear us. But that's okay.
Speaker 14 (31:18):
He'll be he'll be in on on in the second.
I'll make it fast. I like what Chris said a lot,
and I appreciate your pressing on too. If that was
the son or daughter it was, it was a son.
If that was the son of a politician, oh my god, yeah,
it'd be trouble well.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
If if it can you imagine, in all honesty, if
this had happened in one of the I don't know,
wealthier suburbs around Boston. Seriously, do you think that six
months later, almost seven months later, would be asking these questions?
Speaker 14 (31:53):
No, I don't think so. And listen, I I'm sure
that guy didn't mean to do what he does, but
he is a very responsible job and you can't all
it takes is one time. I feel bad that it
happened to the guy, but the family lost their child.
How old was a child again?
Speaker 13 (32:11):
Nine? Five five years old?
Speaker 14 (32:15):
You you have to Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
I mean that's a kindergarten student five years.
Speaker 14 (32:20):
Old, yeah, or even before kindergarten, preschool or okay, kindergarten, whatever.
But that's terrible.
Speaker 13 (32:28):
You know, you have to don't don't take an extra
responsible job unless you're going to be all eyes.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
But again, the if you look at this in context,
he's driving without his certification. His certification expired in December.
The company has a responsibility to make sure the people
who are driving Okay area are doing the right thing.
Number one. Number two, he has an act and he
(33:00):
sideswipes another car or cars in Mattapan, doesn't stop, doesn't
call the accident in and then he gets this kid.
He's obviously confused. He's driving this route for the first time.
He's probably upset. He drops the kid off on the
wrong side of the street. He's supposed to drop the
kid off on the side of the street where his
(33:20):
house is. So the kid gets off the bus, steps
forward two or three steps, and he's at his home. Yeah.
Speaker 14 (33:28):
Yeah, and the little boy, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
He sideswiped a couple of cars like fifteen minutes earlier
in Matapan and never stopped, never reported it. And nothing
has issued against him for this, this comedy of errors,
which is a tragedy.
Speaker 14 (33:50):
Yeah, I know the expression yeah sure should have stopped?
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, should have should have stopped, should have
called it in. He did none of that, and he
is he at this point hasn't been charged with anything.
Where's the district attorney? And we've heard nothing from the DA,
no comment. Great story in the Globe. You read it
tomorrow or you can see it online right now.
Speaker 14 (34:15):
I can read it.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Sure, But well, I'm just saying, is that that's what we're
you know, we're we're and I will stick with this story.
I promise you. Rick. I got you in here, but
I'm a little past my break, so I gotta let
you run. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Rick. Thanks you for
being such a longline tied listener.
Speaker 13 (34:31):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Thank you. Have a great one. Okay, we do it.
Peter from Rockport. We'll get him right after the break.
I also got bj and Acton, David and Pennsylvania and
Jim and Kingston.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
It's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Okay, we got Peter from Rockport. Back Peter, hopefully the
audio is perfect.
Speaker 15 (34:50):
Right ahead, now you would take my card. Man. Listen
about the third or fourth time you've talked about this.
I've never heard anything worse than this five year old
bo He's never coming back. His poor parents cross, the
commissioner did nothing, None of them did nothing. It's just
a tragedy.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Well, I thank you for your supporting this one, Peter,
and I'm glad we got we got your your soundback.
It sounds much better and I need more people to call.
Every time I do this. I want people to rise up.
Everybody is always upset with city Hall, but you can
fight city hall if we all stand up right.
Speaker 15 (35:29):
Last night you sold me you want to send me
a toad day, which is nice.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yep. It should be in the mail today.
Speaker 15 (35:36):
Peter, have a good money, You have a good day,
have a good thanks, Joan. I'm mad as hell about.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
This, all right, Thanks Peter, you're on the money there, Rob,
you got it. I missed it. Let's go to Jim
and Kingston. Jim next on Nightside. How are you?
Speaker 15 (35:50):
Oh?
Speaker 10 (35:50):
I'm great, Dana. I'm very sad that this tragedy had
to happen.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
But it didn't have to happen. It's tragedy. Tragedy happened.
Speaker 10 (35:59):
It happened unfortunately.
Speaker 11 (36:01):
Yes.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
Actually as a cd L holder and a passenger endorsement, uh,
I can relate uh to this. I've never actually driven
the bus, but uh I've driven other trucks and so forth.
Diesel mechanic. Now, yeah, one thing that has not been
Uh has the Has that person that was behind the
(36:25):
wheel been identified?
Speaker 6 (36:27):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (36:27):
Actually by name?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Yes, his name is according to the Globe and including
other stories I've read, his name is Jean Charles, j E. N. Charles,
c H A R L E S. John Charles.
Speaker 11 (36:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Other thing is that, uh, you know, no accidents happened
to everybody. Uh, but uh, you know, he just wonders
sometimes if it if it's a problem. I know that
cd L holder. Uh down a LA that did the
U turn. Yeah, he tried to escape back to his
(37:04):
own country.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Well he tried. He did a U turn and on
a major road, and I think he called three people
their lives in this case. I don't know if you
know what this gentleman's background is. Could be a lifelong
resident of Boston. I have no clue. I've seen nothing
like that. All I have is his name, simple as that. Okay,
all right, you appreciate you call. I got two money
(37:26):
out to give her mind buddy, Thank you much appreciate it.
David in Pennsylvania, David, thanks for calling in. Don't know
if you have much info on this down in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 16 (37:34):
Go right ahead, Yes, I heard a bit about it.
Speaker 11 (37:37):
Good evening.
Speaker 16 (37:39):
First of all, the appropriate charge, if he had those
all the cerifications up to day, it would have been
an involuntary mindslaughter an accidental death of another individual. But
because of the fact that he was out of compliance
with his thing, that now raises the charge to manslaughter,
a deliberate attempt at murder, dude, in neglige.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
No, that's not the way the laws written in Massachusetts.
I'm not a Pennsylvania lawyer, but this would be, in
my opinion, at most, an involuntary manslaughter. That's at most okay.
Speaker 16 (38:14):
Then I'll agree with that, you know, but involuntary manslaughter
is a serious charge and can be a substantial prison
term and fine and whatever. But the second thing, if
this person a US citizen or not a US citizen,
that seems no idea strange.
Speaker 6 (38:30):
I have no idea, no idea. There's been no mention
of it in any of the coverage that I have seen,
and to me, it's irrelevant at this point.
Speaker 16 (38:38):
Well, the thing about the relevance of it is if
he has a passport, has it been seized? You know,
But he's not been charged.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
So unless unless his lawyer said, okay, look, I'll give
you his passport. I promise you he will not leave
the country. Maybe they've put some sort of a tracking
device on his ankle. I don't know, but we found
out today tracking devices can be cut off. There was
some woman who was committed out in Wisconsin.
Speaker 16 (39:07):
The slender Yeah, okay, she should have never been released
in the first place. But you know, there has to
be precautions to keep this person in the United States.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
We talked about that earlier tonight. You're absolutely right, David.
I know you've you've waited a long time, or actually
not as long as most other people. But no, I
don't think you're off for forty minutes. Trust me on that.
There were people who waited in the last hour. We'd
moved pretty quickly.
Speaker 16 (39:35):
I try to call in a couple of times.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Yeah, right, well, I'm glad you get in. I got
one behind you who's only going to get about a
minute I'd love to be able to accommodate him as well,
if possible. An the point you want to add.
Speaker 16 (39:46):
Go go right ahead, now, be safe and enjoy your
family this weekend, and you have great Thanksgiving as well.
Speaker 6 (39:52):
Thanks, Thanks, David, I appreciate it. Thanks for listening down
in Pennsylvania. Appreciate it, BJ, BJ in acton, we're tired
in time. What do we got rob here? A little
bit more than a minute? Okay, go ahead, go ahead, BJ.
Speaker 17 (40:04):
Yes, Dan, I think that, uh, we got a problem
in this country with the wheels of justice turning too slowly.
I agree with you about this uh uh this district
attorney not bringing the charges soon enough.
Speaker 11 (40:18):
There.
Speaker 17 (40:19):
Yeah, I think we should start introducing legislation to uh
to turn the wheels of justice more quickly.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
I don't think you need legislation. I think you have
to worry about who you elected these offices and if
you know, prosecutors should be fair, uh, but they should
be swift.
Speaker 11 (40:36):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
And and six six six almost seven months here too
much time, BJ. You got the final word, but I
got I wish you called it earlier. I gotta I
gotta run for now. We'll be back tomorrow night.
Speaker 12 (40:48):
Thanks bj Thanks Dan, have a happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
Happy Thanksgiving you and yours as well. Rob Brooks, good
job tonight. I want to thank Marita. We did not
get to our topic of the night. We'll get to
that tomorrow. The cost of Thanksgiving dinners actually are less
this year than a year ago. We'll talk about that
tomorrow night. All end as always all and we'll be
doing Facebook on Nightside, Nightside with Dan Ray on Facebook.
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pets go to heaven. That's why Pal Charlie Rays who
passed fifteen years ago on February. So are your pets
are who have passed? They loved you when you love them.
I do believe you'll see them again. We'll see again
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.