September 4, 2025 • 40 mins
Back in 2020, Massachusetts agreed to pass a bill to create a committee to study and redesign the state seal. Now in 2025, Massachusetts has unveiled the finalists for the new state seal, flag, and motto. The state received more than 1,150 submissions. The three finalists for the state flag include one with a blue hill with six blue and white waves. Another with a simple blue background with the state flower, the mayflower and the third has a crimson background with six turkey feathers, representing Massachusetts as the sixth state to enter the union. Of the finalists, which would you choose and why?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray one Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We are talking about the effort and we're trying to
have a little bit of fun but also be a
little serious either way. The effort here in Massachusetts to
find a new state seal, a new state flag, and
a state bought a new I guess a new state mono.
And we've mentioned that we do have this talkback feature
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on the iHeartRadio app, and so got a couple of
folks who have responded. All you have to do is
download the free iHeartRadio app and there's a red microphone
talkback button in the top right corner. You can send
us your personalized audio message and we will play it
back on nights as long as it's in good taste,
no bad words. You know, we are an FCC regulated
radio station. It's that simple. Once again, hit the red
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microphone button in the top right corner of the app
while listening to Nightside, and then send us an audio message. Now,
one of the the top three flag selections they said
involve a circle of Well, I was wrong. I did
not look at the description. I simply looked at the flag.
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I thought it was a six sort of shafts of wheat,
and it might be appropriate for Iowa and Kansas. But
one of our listeners corrected me, and I appreciate that
correction on the iHeartRadio app. I'm sorry, Dan, those aren't wheat,
those are turkey feathers. Well, thank you very much because
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always could to be corrected, even if it's a circle
of turkey feathers. I mean, I still think the head
of a seal, all of us know what a seal
sounds like. That is not Rob Barkham raw. That is
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that's audio Rob has been able to put together of
a seal. I think a seal is so cute, it's
it's just amazing. And there was also one other I'd
like to play one other listener who responded to our
our at nine o'clock with Boston Marriow candidate Josh Kraft.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, Stan Burning from New Hampshire. It's great to hear
your voice, and Josh, thank you for your time and
your app. Been trying to make possibles better. Although I'm
not fun there, I do work in there, and I
just I appreciate what you're going to try and do
with that with the problem in the South end. But
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maybe a national presence wouldn't be the worst thing on
just to create a presence some people that live there.
There's a better, better atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, that's one of our regular calls. He took advantage
of the new app, the iHeartRadio app. So we we're
just we try to turn those things around. It's another
way that we can incorporate you into the program. As
I have said for eighteen years, this is not the
Dan ratio. This is Nightside with Dan Ray. But Nightside
represents all of you. So I would like to just
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This is from a piece that is out of the
Boston Herald on August thirty first, the last day of August.
The three seal options feature a right whale. I like
my idea of a seal, a chickadee encircled by turkey feathers.
What's this with everybody's like into turkey feathers and a
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star with other elements like water in hills. Well, I'm
looking at all three of those. None of them lighted
up for me. The top three those are those are
the seals. The top three those are the seals, right, Okay?
The top three flags involve a circle of turkey feathers. Again,
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turkey feathers with this crimson background. A six pointed gold
star embedded in a white mayflower against a blue background.
I don't know. It looks more than me than the
white mayflower looks like the michel and mantle, that dumpy
miship michel and man uh uh and and blue hills
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and waves with an eight pointed gold star. The model
selections are monte Vace's Una res publica many voices, one commonwealth,
we honor all life, guided by the first light. I
don't know what the hell that means, but that's okay.
And then bono publico uh letu mirror, we rejoiced in
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the public good. You know, didn't that None of those
lighted up for me? I'm my my votes remain the
head of an actual seal, those cute little seals that
pop their head up out of the water. Most of
them are trying to get away from sharks out at
Montamoy Island off the cape. But that's the story for
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another night. So I would say, use the head of
a seal as our state seal. Rob, Thank you, Rob.
Rob actually has a seal in the control room tonight
with him. Rob. It was brilliant. If you bring the
seal with you tonight to the control room. Just one,
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Just one, said Rob Okay. Or we then take the
seal and put it on the flag. So we basically
get two benefits from the head of the seal. It's
the state seal, and it's on the flag. And then
our motto should be President Kennedy's most famous line from
the nineteen sixty one inaugural address ask not what your
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country can do for you, but what you can do
for your country. Someone suggests that we change that to
ask not what your state can do for you, but
what but what you could do for you date, I
still like the Kennedy version. I don't want to rip
that off. I think it's brilliant. He was the last
president of the United States who called Massachusetts home. I
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think it would be perfect. I want you to react
to my suggestions. We had some suggestions last hour. Someone
said the Bunker Hill flag. Someone said, simply get rid
of the sword, that sword that is over the head
of the Native Americans. Someone said that a lobster h
and then someone said Paul Anne and Dorchester said Paul
Revere and a horse and Vinnie up in Maine. Maybe
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he was kind of with the program, he said, a
bright orange parking ticket. My suspicion is that on Vinnie's
trips to Boston he may have accumulated some of those. Okay,
we're going to take a very quick break, and I
got a couple of lines open six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty.
You do not have to be from Massachusetts to participate.
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As a matter of fact, we come back when I
talk with Karen from Wisconsin. She is a Massachusetts native
out in Wisconsin, so she she qualifies, we'll talk with
her or six one seven nine. Let's light it up.
Let's have a little bit of fun. We're going to
get to all the politics at many nights in the
next few months. Trust me, just trying to give U
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a little bit of fun. And I want to hear
from young people because once this flag is picked. And
by the way, they spent a lot of money on
the first commission, which disbanded without even making a decision.
What a bunch of weenies, I mean, make a decision,
come on, uh. And now they have a second commission,
the mass Seal and Flag and Motto Commission. Ah man,
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do we know how to spend money in Massachusetts? What's
wrong with the seal. Let's let seals represent everything that's
good and pure and innocent about Massachusetts. Maybe we should
put some politician as the seal, some guy with stuffing
money in his code or down her braw or whatever.
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Those of you who are from Massachusetts know of what
I speak. Coming back on Night Side, fill up these lines.
Coming right back.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Back to the phones we go. We are going to
go and talk with Karen in Wisconsin. If I memory serves,
he said, Madison, Wisconsin, Hi, Karen, how are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Okay, how are you doing great?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What do you think would you like to see as
a seal or as a flag or a motto.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I'm a little confused because I thought we were talking
about a seal and what put on it. And then
when you started, you know when I heard but flag
and motto and all that. So I don't know if
we're talking about four things.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, we're talking about three things.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Okay, there is diet.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay, hold on, I'm going to explain it to you.
Just relax. I am you ready? Here we go. In Massachusetts,
we had a commission established which was called the Massachusetts
Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. They were in business
for two years. They couldn't come up with anything. They
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they disbanded. Now in Massachusetts, we we we did such
a horrible job with the first one. We're now have
a second Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. And
you see, sorry, sorry for talking while you were interrupted.
To go ahead, Caaren, what do you want to say?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Oh I just I just said I get it so
that you would know that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Oh good, okay. Now, suggesting that we take just the
head of a seal, you know, the little cute little
guys that popped their heads up in harbors and all
of that, and you just see the cute little face,
their little whiskers, their big big eyes. We use the
picture of a seal's head as our seal, and we
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take that seal, we put it on the flag, killing
two birds with one stone or with one seal. And
then as the motto, we use President Kennedy's ask, a
famous line from his inaugural address in nineteen sixty one.
Ask not, and I almost can imitate his voice, ask
not what your country can do for you, but ask
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what you can do for your country.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Well, I agree, and whenever we talk about this, I
always agree with the seal. I like the fact that
the seal represents our coastline. And yes, but what I
would like to then put for the motto, and I
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think your friend dies I am Sullivan would agree. Uh,
you know, I will just say she runs shadow fun
probably likes animals more than people, as do I.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And me too. I agree animals are much nicer than people,
no question.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And therefore I think the motto should go out around
the seal and we can kill two words of fun stuff.
I hate that and put help me, don't eat me?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Brilliant. That is brilliant. I wish I had thought.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Of that, Karen.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You know, I hate to not a hate shark, Caesar,
but I just hate to seeze, you know, so help
me don't hurt me, or say something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, we can fine tune that, Karen. But that's a
brilliant idea. I wish I had thought of it myself,
because it would have it would have perfectly complimented the seal.
It's almost like, you know, when you have a wonderful,
you know, steak, and you want to pick a red
wine to pair with the steak, or when you have
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a wonderful fish meal and you pick a white wine
to have with the fish, Chardonnay or a Pino grigio
or whatever. This compliments your idea of the motto helped me.
Don't eat me is a perfect compliment. It's brilliant what
you've come up with, Karen. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I hope maybe it'll stick with people and maybe though adopted.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I join you in that, Karen. And for those
who do not know Diane Sullivan, she not only is
the head of the Shadow Fund, but she in addition
to that, is also the assistant dean at the Massachusetts
School of Law. I hope she's listening. Karen.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That was a brilliant How did you think of that?
How did you think she was mentioned when Michael Coin said,
he said some recess I like, I think I like
animals better than people. And he said, well, Diane Sullivan
would tend to agree with you on that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yes, I think a lot of people would. I think
a lot of people would agree.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Karen.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Thank you very much for for your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Thank you. Have a great night.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Okay, Thanks, We're going to go.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
To Paul in Dorchester. Paul, it's going to be very
Oh what happened to Paul? Paul just disappeared in this.
Paul was listening on the on his speakerphone, and as
soon as he heard me, he hit the button. Paul
called back, and we'll get you on. Let me go
to Robert in Wellesley. Robert is going to be tough
to tough. Karen's idea, Go right ahead, Robert.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Well, I agree animals you off and are nicer than people,
no question, no questions. And I think the ideas are great.
I think your ideas are great. I hate to be
a kill joy, but I sort of like them to
stay as close as possible to what we have had.
I'd like the model to be I'm got to sound
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like a stick in the ride, but I'd like the
model to be in Latin. And I sort of like
the model that we have. But I guess I suppose
there's some reason why we can't stick with n say Pettitt, plaktam,
subliberty tate create them. I wish we could could keep that,
but if not, maybe we maybe we come up with
something that's close. And I just sort of think that
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if there are changes made, it would be nice because
it's in a historic state. I think it would be
nice if we could come up with something that's close
to what we have, that's going to do work, that's
going to set the bill. But I guess that's all.
I'll throw that back to you.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Then, well, no, Robert, that's fine. I know there is
some in our audience who do not speak Latin, very few,
very few of our audience does not speak Latin in
their homes. So why don't you give us the English interpretation?
I think there's a piece of quiet in there that
I heard.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Go right ahead, okay and say is I think swords?
So by the sword, she speaks peace, she seeks peace,
peace under liberty.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yep, absolutely, all right, peace and liberty. Well that's a
good suggestion. But I just get a sense that in
all of the the push for you know, you know,
people like you would be give a lot of I
think emphasis to tradition. And the flag has been around
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in Massachusetts now for about one hundred and thirty years
if I'm doing my math correctly, and there are others
who are constantly looking to change, and I'm having a
little bit of fun tonight if anyone hasn't picked up
on that. But I think the idea of a seal
for our seal, and then make the seal the flag
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kills two birds with one stone.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
You got that. That's a powerful idea, Darren. I may
lose out to that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I don't know. So far it hasn't. It hasn't
caught fire, but we'll see. Hey, Robert has always thanks much,
talk to you soon. Have a great name. Let me
let me keep going here. We're gonna get Florence in Groveland.
I'm fascinated to find out what Florence thinks. Florence, go
right ahead.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Yes, yes, Dan, and welcome back.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 9 (16:21):
Uh Dan, do you recall, first of all, before I
tell you my idea, the little seal that kept coming
in to Beverly? Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes, wasn't that Frederick the seal?
Speaker 9 (16:35):
No? What'sn't Frederick? They gave him a different name.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
What name did they give him?
Speaker 9 (16:41):
I do know. I'm wondering if it was what was
in Beethoven? But it was a musical name.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Maybe Mojart. What about Elvis? Well we'll just think of
him as Elvis. Go ahead, it doesn't matter, but that's okay,
Go ahead, Florence.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Yeah, Dan, look it up late. Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You know something, as soon as I get off the
air at midnight, the first thing I'm going to do
is I'm going to jump on the computer uh and
uh and try to find that name.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
All right, So my idea is the flag, but I
want the full view of the seal, and I want
one of his little sins look like it's waving, and
the model to say welcome to wonderful nastitutes.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
That's very thoughtful. Now, that's interesting. That's interesting.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
So you're taking and you're taking my idea and you're
improving on it, which is exactly what I hope someone
in the audience would do.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Florence. You know the phrase great minds think alike. I
think that you've outthought me here with using his fin
to wave like he's welcoming.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Uh yeah, and welcome to wonderful.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, welcome and wonderful and so illiterative. That's that works perfectly. Well,
it's a great state, Dan, Well, it's a great state
until the politicians threw it up. That's the problem.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
No matter what the politicians have to say about it,
it's our state.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, they don't see it. I mean the problem is
they exercise they don't let us audit the books. They
even don't let the state auditor audit the books. They
keep it in a deep, dark, dirty little secrets they
have in the House of Representatives in the state Senate. No,
and that's that state. That whole thing about transparency. I
love transparency, and sunlight is indeed the greatest disinfectant, but
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the politicians up on Beacon Hill are very happy to
keep it secluded in dark.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
Yeah, well things will change, I sure hope.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So, Florence. Love to hear your voices always. Thanks so much.
I hope you're well and we will talk soon. And
let's see if people respond to your improvement on my idea.
Thank you. Take care all right, I gotta take a
quick break for news at the bottom of the hour.
Paul from Dorchester will be first when we get back.
He's called back. Robert wants you to make sure Paul
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is all sat in his off speaker phone so he
doesn't disconnect automatically. Paul, stay right where you are. We're
coming your way, coming back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
This Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm bes Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Perry. I had full Liyes, we just had a couple
of folks drop off. Had no idea why they dropped off.
But there are two lines open at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. You're listening to the Night Side with Dan Ray.
Tomorrow night, By the way, at nine o'clock we will
go back and revisit that story dealing with the service
pausitors and the Massachusetts Turnpike. Last night we talked with
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the president and CEO of Global Partners, the company that
has lost out on the bid. They are trying to
appeal for a rehearing. We will hear tomorrow night from
someone from Applegreen, the company that prevailed in the bed
and it's quite a controversy here in Massachusetts. Nine o'clock
tomorrow night, we cover both sides of this story. My
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name is Dan Ray. This is Night Side with Dan Ray.
We are now going to go to Paul in Dorchester. Paul,
we lost you before. Welcome back?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
All right? Good to be found.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes, let me tell you, whenever I get lost, it's
great when someone comes and finds me. I love it.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Even if you wanted to put a police down in
the middle of the night, it's good.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, I don't know about that. I mean, I've never had.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
That lost up in the mountains once there was a rescue. Boy,
I never was so glad.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
So you were lost. You were lost in the mountains
of New Hampshire.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yes, sir, in the White Mountains.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So let me ask you this. I got to ask,
was it I hope it wasn't. In the winter, I.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Was on a ski trip and there was a sudden
storm came in and it went from midday to black
as night. At about three in the afternoon, we were
on our way down.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
How long we lost?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Thank god, I had a cell phone and I called
the Massachusetts State Police from the White Mountains and they
dispatched me to the Wildlife crew in New Hampshire and
rescued the lady I was with and myself in a
matter of two hours, I think. And God blessed them
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and everybody involved in the twenty five thousand dollar bill
for the rescue that I never got, but I was
afraid I would have. But it wasn't our faulty. We
were prepared and we were forgiven. But it's it's incredible.
We weren't that fire off. But we're going the wrong
way suddenly, and I'm glad to be alive. My plan
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b was to set a tree on fire.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
And it's not how.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Farest fire because I really didn't want to die of
the cold my part, and I wanted to lay down
and take a nap.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So let me ask you, ye, let me ask you this.
Have you gone back to New Hampshire to go skiing
in the winter.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No, I don't go anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You were smart. You're smarter than you appeared, you had
said to me, Paul. Oh, yeah, I've gone back several times.
That's a pretty scary story, okay, Paul.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I was so glad to be sitting in the police
car in like uh ten at night.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It was all it was.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And it's a long time from three in the afternoon.
And I'm guessing you miss supper as well.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Well.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Actually we had brought snacks and food with us. We
were all.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Other. The fact that you frozen to death, you would
have froze to death out of full stomach.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Well, God bless the state police. And I don't want
to mention my south area, but they make enough on me.
But it relayed to them, and they relayed to the
New Hampshire Wildlife and they sent up as saved me
was at a flashlight, saved us is that they really
couldn't find us, but they saw the flashlight I was flashing.
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And uh that's good.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You know again you mentioned New Hampshire wildlife. Good thing
you didn't run into any New Hampshire wildlife. All right, Paul,
let's talk about a state seal flag and motto. First
of all, what do you think about my idea?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Well, I wanted to remind you that you know, I
come from I'm older. I remember that the ust Actually
it didn't have it when I was alive, but I
think back in the fifties as late as that they
had a bounty on the seals because each one of
them each about thirty pounds of fish and they were
a real nuisance and I to give like at the.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
Time, I think it was five dollars for UH to
prove that you had, you know, taken a seal out
of the water. But there's too many activists now and there's.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But right now the seals are any dangered species because
you have the the sharks who go out. They have
a seal buffet at Montamoe Island out off the coast
and Shatham.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Well, the cycle of life game, that's my motto. Here
we got uh at the at you we got.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Here's how come they didn't believe in the cycle of
life when the poor seals were grabbing some fish. I
was a seal, That's what I'd be doing. What Let
me ask you what a seal is supposed to do
when they're in the ocean. They're supposed to like just
go to the grocery store. Of course they're going to
eat fish.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Well, it's it's that's in the if, that's in the diagram.
Now listen, you got a lobster trying to swim away. Okay,
you gotta you gotta cod fish going after the lobster.
You got a seal going after the cod fish. You
got the great white going after the seal. You got
the orca going after the great white. You got the
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megashock going after the orca. And then you got all
our Democrat politicians, Pocahontas and MARKI and cuball from Somerville,
all going after that. And they're all carrying a basket
of blueberries. And it's the big fish eat the little fish.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Is this all on the flag that you're proposing.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Yeah, you'd have to have us like you know, and
uh to scale, but you outscale the size of Pocahontas
and all the Democrats chasing Orca and everybody else down
with their mouths open, you know, in the little bays.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Hey, you know, I think that's quite creative. Have you
actually put pen to paper on this yet or no?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
It's just living in my mind kind along with this
one other one? Really quick? How about this one. We'll
call it. We'll have a gavel and a little judge's
pull of it, and we'll call it Massachusetts as much
justice as you can afford.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's a that's a great motto. I like that you
you thought, you thought about a lot of this. You
thought about this, Paul, you're the most thoughtful caller tonight.
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, I'm serious that that was a good job tonight, Paul.
I appreciate it very much. Man, you keep calling this program. Okay.
I love your style. Thank you.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
You know, the chickadee used to be a state bird.
The blueberries off fruit, the codfish used to have it,
and uh and I and you know there were Native
Indians and and how about that lady maybe making a
pie bringing it to the Indian or something.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think all of that would be would be just
a beautiful edition of what we're all about. And I
hope that that the commissioners who might be listening tonight
were taking some notes there, because I think you did
have the cycle of life here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Down perfect, and they can all have a clam base,
all the politicians.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Your flags getting a little crowded, Paul. I hate to
tell you, but your flag's getting just a little crowded.
I don't want you to spoil a good thing. If
you know what to tea. Thank you, Paul, we'll talk soon.
Have a great night. Let me go to Terry Don
in Harwich. Hi, Terry, how are you?
Speaker 12 (27:36):
Hi Dan, Welcome back. How are you doing.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I'm doing just great. We're having a little bit of fun,
but also we're I think we're making people think tonight,
which is what night Side is all about.
Speaker 12 (27:48):
Well, I have a suggestion for you. See what you
think of this, the model being Massachusetts for all seasons
and the flag depicting all four seasons. Now, I thought
the summer picture should be a gorgeous ocean view somewhere
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on a beautiful beachould Tape Cod and yes, your seal
could come out in the middle of the ocean, and
we're going to have the find that Florence want reading.
That would be good. And for the fall, of course,
we have to go to the Berkshires and get the
most beautiful fall foliage, maybe around where they have the
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symphony concerts in the summer outside.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, that was beautiful, beautiful pictures. And what about the
spring the winter?
Speaker 13 (28:50):
Oh, we has to be.
Speaker 12 (28:53):
The public garden when they put all the rights out
for Christmas, hopefully bird with no stand. Oh but you've
got to get the steakhouse with the gold dome in
the background.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely, the spring.
Speaker 12 (29:14):
I would think that we have to get the flowers
in bloom. But somehow we have to figure it out
so that Constitution could be in the background.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I think more. I'll tell you you have you
literally have covered the waterfront. Terry. I give you the
award for the most comprehensive.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Seriously, I think that I never win anything.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, I wish there was surprise associated with it. But oh,
you've won a couple of things with night Side, if
I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 14 (29:51):
Except from Nightside, you have a you have a if
I recall, you get a chance every morning to have
you're morning tea or coffee mug.
Speaker 12 (30:05):
I absolutely love it. Gorgeous.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Yeah, well, hopefully I wanted.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
To stay away from people on politics.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, well, I think I think that's the problem. That's
why I love the seal because Rob cue the seal please.
Rob is at the top of his game tonight. Every
time I've said, queue that seal, he's got the seal.
That was a little bit of a delay. But maybe
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he's on a little delay there. I think that is.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
A great job, Rob.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
All right, Rob, you got Terry seal of approval pod
in the pud. All right, Terry has always You're the best.
Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to seeing you.
I haven't seen you all summer.
Speaker 12 (30:49):
Okay, well, so why I'm so much Just say to
you one and a half down coffee dam all right.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, you bring the mugg and we all said, okay, thanks,
all right, take it easy.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
All right now, for the first time tonight, the lines
have lightened up a little bit, so I need some
two or three quick more calls six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one
ten thirty. We're talking about the Massachusetts state seal, state flag,
and state Mono Commission. It is actually called the Massachusetts Seal,
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Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. They were in operation for
a year, and like so many things in Massachusetts, they
petered out and they disbanded. What if they'd done. They
have now created a second commission, which probably will also disband,
although they have come up with I think really some
loser finalists. I think we need new commissioners. I will
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be more than happy. I will volunteer. If Governor Healy
is listening, I will volunteer to become the chair of
the Motto Advisory Commission, the Massachusetts Seal, Flag and Modo
Advisory Commission. At this point, I think the commissioner is
the Secretary of Education, Secretary Tutwiler. But I got to
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be honest with you, I think that his responsibilities are
much it's overwhelming. So if the governor's listening, I'm more
than happy to assume that obligation. But I need a
couple more callers here to join me and make give
me some ideas and suggestions. My idea, the head of
a seal use that as the state seal well named
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Rob get ready to queue here, and then we use
the head of the seal. The motto rather the seal
on the flag, and the motto is President Kennedy's inaugural speech,
ask not what your country can do for you, ask
what you can do for your country. But again, the
seal is what I continue to hear every time I
mentioned the word seal. Thank you, Rob. We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We're wrapping up a show. We've spent the last couple
of hours talking about the Massachusetts Seal, Flag and Modo
Advisory Commission. It was created in twenty twenty one and
it disbanded in twenty twenty three. It couldn't come up
with a motto, a seal or a flag, and now
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they have recreated another commission only in Massachusetts. Let me
go to Mike in Milton. Hey, Mike, welcome back. How
are you sir?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah? Hi, Dan, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I'm doing great? Appreciate you calling in, Michael. What's your thought?
What would you like to add?
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Good?
Speaker 15 (33:43):
Good good? I you haven't talked he in a while.
I like your idea. I love seals.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I'm a saltwater guy, a sawtwater fisherman, and I love them.
I know the fishermen, you know, the commercial fishermen hate
them because they eat so much bait, fish and stuff.
Speaker 15 (33:58):
But you know they're cute to well, you know, I
just I love the way they look. I could picture
one at the top of a Massachusetts stamp. Yeah, maybe a.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Little logo underneath the Massachusetts first to arrive. He had
to say something like that.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know, no, I get it. I just like the idea.
You know, they can't come up with the seal and
because no matter what, here's what the reality is. No
matter what they come up with, there's going to be
someone who's offended by it. If they put it a
Native American in, there'll be people offended. If they take
the Native American out, people will be offended if they
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it's just it's a losing proposition. But who's going to
be offended by a cute little seal face?
Speaker 13 (34:47):
Well yeah, yeah, But if it goes through, and I
hope it does, because I just want to throw a
little sugar on top of what I already did it to,
I'll tell you in a second. But if this goes through,
the next thing, you know, Wyoming and Montana are going
to have a face of a grizzly bear.
Speaker 15 (35:08):
On this stamp or Alaska or whatever, you.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Know, and that's all good, that's okay.
Speaker 15 (35:12):
It represents the state and it's a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Thing, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
I mean, we are, after all, a state of coastal waters,
coastal Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Mean if we lived in Wyoming, Colorado or Kansas and
we talked about a seal, they wouldn't even know what
we're talking about.
Speaker 16 (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there used to be a There
used to be a thro the seal on the top left,
the little motto, you know, mass here to stay first,
to arrive here, to stay or whatever, something like that,
and then underneath I heard this from your.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Call is either a small depiction of the Constitution in
a scroll or a picture of Paul Revere on his horse.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
No, but you got it, you got it covered. I
like that. I like to remind people when I talk
about seals. There used to be a pretty well known
baseball team, a minor league baseball team called the San
Francisco Seals. That was the last minor league baseball team
that Joe DiMaggio played for. You know, he grew up
he was a San Francisco guy, and so if San
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Francisco can have a baseball team. Need to see name
the seals? Why can't we have a state seal or
a flag that depicts the seal? You know, that's that's
I'm just trying to have a little bit of fun
with it. I'm trying to think outside the box.
Speaker 15 (36:32):
And many of you know that's excellent.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I mean, you know obviously that.
Speaker 15 (36:37):
The committee couldn't come up with anything.
Speaker 16 (36:39):
So hey, here we are.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
You got it. You got it, Hey, Mike, call more often,
great deal your voice. Thank you so much. Thanks buddy,
talk to you soon. Okay, gotta go to Dick in Burlington. Dick,
we've we've we've talked about this now for almost two hours.
You might wrap us up.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
Go ahead, Dick, I doing ray there, you would take
it right.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Call.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
National Cemetery. I saw you Ti playing. I said to
mister Kennedy, you were the one and only you told
those son of the guns in Cuba to get the
cannons out of there or they're all gone. So Russia
right with supplying them and they disappeared.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, that was nineteen nineteen sixty two. And uh, you
got to wonder if him embarrassing Russia and Cuba if
maybe that somehow contributed to what happened in Dallas in
November of nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
Twenty second, Yeah, well we'll never know.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So what do you think about that one and only?
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Like Massachusetts is the one and only as you put
it on the flag.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yep, that's possible. What do you think about just a
seal ahead of a seal as the state seal?
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Think you're going great for me. I'm as free as
a bird because of Danuary, Donald Trump and Beaman men.
Speaker 16 (37:54):
Yahoo.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right, there's a trifecta for you. All right, Dick in Burlington.
Nice to hear your voice. Thank you, my friend, Thank
you Dan. All right, okay, all right, we've we've wrapped
it for the night here, Rob. Do you still have
the seal in the in the control room? Yeah? Yeah,
Well I just hope you clean it up there if
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they don't leave that control room missy for the morning crew. Rob, Okay,
you got to make sure that that that is that
control room is clean and uh uh, and you're gonna
have a tough time getting the seal in the car.
But that's okay. I know if anybody can do it,
you will want to thank everybody who called tonight, and
UH want to thank Josh Kraft who joined us in
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the nine o'clock hour. Candidate for mayor again, that preliminary election,
and they call it a preliminary election, not a primary
because it's uh it's you don't declare as a democratic Republican.
It doesn't matter. It's a non denominational election, if you will.
If it was a primary, it would be Democrats here,
Republicans here, So don't get confused by it. It will
(39:02):
cut down the field of four mayoral candidates in Boston
to two and then the final the winner will be
decided in November, early November. So I would ask all
of you to please tell you friends about Nightside. I
will I will do a nightside post game tonight at midnight.
(39:23):
All you have to do is go to Facebook Nightside
with Dan Ray and you can find me there in
about two minutes. We don't spend much time on postgame
because frankly, at this time of night, I'm a little tired.
And we have another program tomorrow night. We'll have four
interesting yes during the news update at eight o'clock and
we will talk about the Massachusetts Turnpike Service Plaza conversation
(39:45):
will follow up as we did on Wednesday night, with
the group that won that proposal, a group out of
Ireland called Apple Green. I'll end as always, all dogs,
all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's why Pal
Charlie Ray is, who passed fifteen years ago in February,
That's where all your pets are. When we passed, they
(40:06):
loved you and you loved them. I do believe that
you'll see them again, and I hope to see again
tomorrow night on night Side. Everyone, Rob Brooks, thank you, Marita,
thank you very much, and to all of you who
listened and particularly those who you called, thanks for making
this show the show that it is. My name's Dan Ray,
the host of Nightside. Will see tomorrow. I'll see you
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It's Night Side with Dan Ray one Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We are talking about the effort and we're trying to
have a little bit of fun but also be a
little serious either way. The effort here in Massachusetts to
find a new state seal, a new state flag, and
a state bought a new I guess a new state mono.
And we've mentioned that we do have this talkback feature
(00:30):
on the iHeartRadio app, and so got a couple of
folks who have responded. All you have to do is
download the free iHeartRadio app and there's a red microphone
talkback button in the top right corner. You can send
us your personalized audio message and we will play it
back on nights as long as it's in good taste,
no bad words. You know, we are an FCC regulated
radio station. It's that simple. Once again, hit the red
(00:52):
microphone button in the top right corner of the app
while listening to Nightside, and then send us an audio message. Now,
one of the the top three flag selections they said
involve a circle of Well, I was wrong. I did
not look at the description. I simply looked at the flag.
(01:15):
I thought it was a six sort of shafts of wheat,
and it might be appropriate for Iowa and Kansas. But
one of our listeners corrected me, and I appreciate that
correction on the iHeartRadio app. I'm sorry, Dan, those aren't wheat,
those are turkey feathers. Well, thank you very much because
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always could to be corrected, even if it's a circle
of turkey feathers. I mean, I still think the head
of a seal, all of us know what a seal
sounds like. That is not Rob Barkham raw. That is
(01:59):
that's audio Rob has been able to put together of
a seal. I think a seal is so cute, it's
it's just amazing. And there was also one other I'd
like to play one other listener who responded to our
our at nine o'clock with Boston Marriow candidate Josh Kraft.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, Stan Burning from New Hampshire. It's great to hear
your voice, and Josh, thank you for your time and
your app. Been trying to make possibles better. Although I'm
not fun there, I do work in there, and I
just I appreciate what you're going to try and do
with that with the problem in the South end. But
(02:41):
maybe a national presence wouldn't be the worst thing on
just to create a presence some people that live there.
There's a better, better atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, that's one of our regular calls. He took advantage
of the new app, the iHeartRadio app. So we we're
just we try to turn those things around. It's another
way that we can incorporate you into the program. As
I have said for eighteen years, this is not the
Dan ratio. This is Nightside with Dan Ray. But Nightside
represents all of you. So I would like to just
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This is from a piece that is out of the
Boston Herald on August thirty first, the last day of August.
The three seal options feature a right whale. I like
my idea of a seal, a chickadee encircled by turkey feathers.
What's this with everybody's like into turkey feathers and a
(03:37):
star with other elements like water in hills. Well, I'm
looking at all three of those. None of them lighted
up for me. The top three those are those are
the seals. The top three those are the seals, right, Okay?
The top three flags involve a circle of turkey feathers. Again,
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turkey feathers with this crimson background. A six pointed gold
star embedded in a white mayflower against a blue background.
I don't know. It looks more than me than the
white mayflower looks like the michel and mantle, that dumpy
miship michel and man uh uh and and blue hills
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and waves with an eight pointed gold star. The model
selections are monte Vace's Una res publica many voices, one commonwealth,
we honor all life, guided by the first light. I
don't know what the hell that means, but that's okay.
And then bono publico uh letu mirror, we rejoiced in
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the public good. You know, didn't that None of those
lighted up for me? I'm my my votes remain the
head of an actual seal, those cute little seals that
pop their head up out of the water. Most of
them are trying to get away from sharks out at
Montamoy Island off the cape. But that's the story for
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another night. So I would say, use the head of
a seal as our state seal. Rob, Thank you, Rob.
Rob actually has a seal in the control room tonight
with him. Rob. It was brilliant. If you bring the
seal with you tonight to the control room. Just one,
(05:26):
Just one, said Rob Okay. Or we then take the
seal and put it on the flag. So we basically
get two benefits from the head of the seal. It's
the state seal, and it's on the flag. And then
our motto should be President Kennedy's most famous line from
the nineteen sixty one inaugural address ask not what your
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country can do for you, but what you can do
for your country. Someone suggests that we change that to
ask not what your state can do for you, but
what but what you could do for you date, I
still like the Kennedy version. I don't want to rip
that off. I think it's brilliant. He was the last
president of the United States who called Massachusetts home. I
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think it would be perfect. I want you to react
to my suggestions. We had some suggestions last hour. Someone
said the Bunker Hill flag. Someone said, simply get rid
of the sword, that sword that is over the head
of the Native Americans. Someone said that a lobster h
and then someone said Paul Anne and Dorchester said Paul
Revere and a horse and Vinnie up in Maine. Maybe
(06:34):
he was kind of with the program, he said, a
bright orange parking ticket. My suspicion is that on Vinnie's
trips to Boston he may have accumulated some of those. Okay,
we're going to take a very quick break, and I
got a couple of lines open six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty.
You do not have to be from Massachusetts to participate.
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As a matter of fact, we come back when I
talk with Karen from Wisconsin. She is a Massachusetts native
out in Wisconsin, so she she qualifies, we'll talk with
her or six one seven nine. Let's light it up.
Let's have a little bit of fun. We're going to
get to all the politics at many nights in the
next few months. Trust me, just trying to give U
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a little bit of fun. And I want to hear
from young people because once this flag is picked. And
by the way, they spent a lot of money on
the first commission, which disbanded without even making a decision.
What a bunch of weenies, I mean, make a decision,
come on, uh. And now they have a second commission,
the mass Seal and Flag and Motto Commission. Ah man,
(07:43):
do we know how to spend money in Massachusetts? What's
wrong with the seal. Let's let seals represent everything that's
good and pure and innocent about Massachusetts. Maybe we should
put some politician as the seal, some guy with stuffing
money in his code or down her braw or whatever.
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Those of you who are from Massachusetts know of what
I speak. Coming back on Night Side, fill up these lines.
Coming right back.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Back to the phones we go. We are going to
go and talk with Karen in Wisconsin. If I memory serves,
he said, Madison, Wisconsin, Hi, Karen, how are you tonight?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Okay, how are you doing great?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
What do you think would you like to see as
a seal or as a flag or a motto.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I'm a little confused because I thought we were talking
about a seal and what put on it. And then
when you started, you know when I heard but flag
and motto and all that. So I don't know if
we're talking about four things.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No, we're talking about three things.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Okay, there is diet.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Okay, hold on, I'm going to explain it to you.
Just relax. I am you ready? Here we go. In Massachusetts,
we had a commission established which was called the Massachusetts
Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. They were in business
for two years. They couldn't come up with anything. They
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they disbanded. Now in Massachusetts, we we we did such
a horrible job with the first one. We're now have
a second Massachusetts Seal Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. And
you see, sorry, sorry for talking while you were interrupted.
To go ahead, Caaren, what do you want to say?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Oh I just I just said I get it so
that you would know that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Oh good, okay. Now, suggesting that we take just the
head of a seal, you know, the little cute little
guys that popped their heads up in harbors and all
of that, and you just see the cute little face,
their little whiskers, their big big eyes. We use the
picture of a seal's head as our seal, and we
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take that seal, we put it on the flag, killing
two birds with one stone or with one seal. And
then as the motto, we use President Kennedy's ask, a
famous line from his inaugural address in nineteen sixty one.
Ask not, and I almost can imitate his voice, ask
not what your country can do for you, but ask
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what you can do for your country.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Well, I agree, and whenever we talk about this, I
always agree with the seal. I like the fact that
the seal represents our coastline. And yes, but what I
would like to then put for the motto, and I
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think your friend dies I am Sullivan would agree. Uh,
you know, I will just say she runs shadow fun
probably likes animals more than people, as do I.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And me too. I agree animals are much nicer than people,
no question.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And therefore I think the motto should go out around
the seal and we can kill two words of fun stuff.
I hate that and put help me, don't eat me?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Brilliant. That is brilliant. I wish I had thought.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Of that, Karen.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
You know, I hate to not a hate shark, Caesar,
but I just hate to seeze, you know, so help
me don't hurt me, or say something like that.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, we can fine tune that, Karen. But that's a
brilliant idea. I wish I had thought of it myself,
because it would have it would have perfectly complimented the seal.
It's almost like, you know, when you have a wonderful,
you know, steak, and you want to pick a red
wine to pair with the steak, or when you have
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a wonderful fish meal and you pick a white wine
to have with the fish, Chardonnay or a Pino grigio
or whatever. This compliments your idea of the motto helped me.
Don't eat me is a perfect compliment. It's brilliant what
you've come up with, Karen. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I hope maybe it'll stick with people and maybe though adopted.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I join you in that, Karen. And for those
who do not know Diane Sullivan, she not only is
the head of the Shadow Fund, but she in addition
to that, is also the assistant dean at the Massachusetts
School of Law. I hope she's listening. Karen.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
That was a brilliant How did you think of that?
How did you think she was mentioned when Michael Coin said,
he said some recess I like, I think I like
animals better than people. And he said, well, Diane Sullivan
would tend to agree with you on that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yes, I think a lot of people would. I think
a lot of people would agree.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Karen.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Thank you very much for for your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Thank you. Have a great night.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Okay, Thanks, We're going to go.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
To Paul in Dorchester. Paul, it's going to be very
Oh what happened to Paul? Paul just disappeared in this.
Paul was listening on the on his speakerphone, and as
soon as he heard me, he hit the button. Paul
called back, and we'll get you on. Let me go
to Robert in Wellesley. Robert is going to be tough
to tough. Karen's idea, Go right ahead, Robert.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Well, I agree animals you off and are nicer than people,
no question, no questions. And I think the ideas are great.
I think your ideas are great. I hate to be
a kill joy, but I sort of like them to
stay as close as possible to what we have had.
I'd like the model to be I'm got to sound
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like a stick in the ride, but I'd like the
model to be in Latin. And I sort of like
the model that we have. But I guess I suppose
there's some reason why we can't stick with n say Pettitt, plaktam,
subliberty tate create them. I wish we could could keep that,
but if not, maybe we maybe we come up with
something that's close. And I just sort of think that
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if there are changes made, it would be nice because
it's in a historic state. I think it would be
nice if we could come up with something that's close
to what we have, that's going to do work, that's
going to set the bill. But I guess that's all.
I'll throw that back to you.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Then, well, no, Robert, that's fine. I know there is
some in our audience who do not speak Latin, very few,
very few of our audience does not speak Latin in
their homes. So why don't you give us the English interpretation?
I think there's a piece of quiet in there that
I heard.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
Go right ahead, okay and say is I think swords?
So by the sword, she speaks peace, she seeks peace,
peace under liberty.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yep, absolutely, all right, peace and liberty. Well that's a
good suggestion. But I just get a sense that in
all of the the push for you know, you know,
people like you would be give a lot of I
think emphasis to tradition. And the flag has been around
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in Massachusetts now for about one hundred and thirty years
if I'm doing my math correctly, and there are others
who are constantly looking to change, and I'm having a
little bit of fun tonight if anyone hasn't picked up
on that. But I think the idea of a seal
for our seal, and then make the seal the flag
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kills two birds with one stone.
Speaker 8 (15:56):
You got that. That's a powerful idea, Darren. I may
lose out to that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Well, I don't know. So far it hasn't. It hasn't
caught fire, but we'll see. Hey, Robert has always thanks much,
talk to you soon. Have a great name. Let me
let me keep going here. We're gonna get Florence in Groveland.
I'm fascinated to find out what Florence thinks. Florence, go
right ahead.
Speaker 9 (16:17):
Yes, yes, Dan, and welcome back.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Thank you?
Speaker 9 (16:21):
Uh Dan, do you recall, first of all, before I
tell you my idea, the little seal that kept coming
in to Beverly? Do you remember that?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yes, wasn't that Frederick the seal?
Speaker 9 (16:35):
No? What'sn't Frederick? They gave him a different name.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
What name did they give him?
Speaker 9 (16:41):
I do know. I'm wondering if it was what was
in Beethoven? But it was a musical name.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Maybe Mojart. What about Elvis? Well we'll just think of
him as Elvis. Go ahead, it doesn't matter, but that's okay,
Go ahead, Florence.
Speaker 9 (17:00):
Yeah, Dan, look it up late. Okay.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You know something, as soon as I get off the
air at midnight, the first thing I'm going to do
is I'm going to jump on the computer uh and
uh and try to find that name.
Speaker 9 (17:13):
All right, So my idea is the flag, but I
want the full view of the seal, and I want
one of his little sins look like it's waving, and
the model to say welcome to wonderful nastitutes.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
That's very thoughtful. Now, that's interesting. That's interesting.
Speaker 10 (17:40):
So you're taking and you're taking my idea and you're
improving on it, which is exactly what I hope someone
in the audience would do.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Florence. You know the phrase great minds think alike. I
think that you've outthought me here with using his fin
to wave like he's welcoming.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Uh yeah, and welcome to wonderful.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, welcome and wonderful and so illiterative. That's that works perfectly. Well,
it's a great state, Dan, Well, it's a great state
until the politicians threw it up. That's the problem.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
No matter what the politicians have to say about it,
it's our state.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Well, they don't see it. I mean the problem is
they exercise they don't let us audit the books. They
even don't let the state auditor audit the books. They
keep it in a deep, dark, dirty little secrets they
have in the House of Representatives in the state Senate. No,
and that's that state. That whole thing about transparency. I
love transparency, and sunlight is indeed the greatest disinfectant, but
(18:49):
the politicians up on Beacon Hill are very happy to
keep it secluded in dark.
Speaker 9 (18:55):
Yeah, well things will change, I sure hope.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So, Florence. Love to hear your voices always. Thanks so much.
I hope you're well and we will talk soon. And
let's see if people respond to your improvement on my idea.
Thank you. Take care all right, I gotta take a
quick break for news at the bottom of the hour.
Paul from Dorchester will be first when we get back.
He's called back. Robert wants you to make sure Paul
(19:19):
is all sat in his off speaker phone so he
doesn't disconnect automatically. Paul, stay right where you are. We're
coming your way, coming back on Nightside after.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
This Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm bes Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Perry. I had full Liyes, we just had a couple
of folks drop off. Had no idea why they dropped off.
But there are two lines open at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. You're listening to the Night Side with Dan Ray.
Tomorrow night, By the way, at nine o'clock we will
go back and revisit that story dealing with the service
pausitors and the Massachusetts Turnpike. Last night we talked with
(20:00):
the president and CEO of Global Partners, the company that
has lost out on the bid. They are trying to
appeal for a rehearing. We will hear tomorrow night from
someone from Applegreen, the company that prevailed in the bed
and it's quite a controversy here in Massachusetts. Nine o'clock
tomorrow night, we cover both sides of this story. My
(20:21):
name is Dan Ray. This is Night Side with Dan Ray.
We are now going to go to Paul in Dorchester. Paul,
we lost you before. Welcome back?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
All right? Good to be found.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yes, let me tell you, whenever I get lost, it's
great when someone comes and finds me. I love it.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
Even if you wanted to put a police down in
the middle of the night, it's good.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Well, I don't know about that. I mean, I've never had.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
That lost up in the mountains once there was a rescue. Boy,
I never was so glad.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
So you were lost. You were lost in the mountains
of New Hampshire.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
Yes, sir, in the White Mountains.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So let me ask you this. I got to ask,
was it I hope it wasn't. In the winter, I.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Was on a ski trip and there was a sudden
storm came in and it went from midday to black
as night. At about three in the afternoon, we were
on our way down.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
How long we lost?
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Thank god, I had a cell phone and I called
the Massachusetts State Police from the White Mountains and they
dispatched me to the Wildlife crew in New Hampshire and
rescued the lady I was with and myself in a
matter of two hours, I think. And God blessed them
(21:43):
and everybody involved in the twenty five thousand dollar bill
for the rescue that I never got, but I was
afraid I would have. But it wasn't our faulty. We
were prepared and we were forgiven. But it's it's incredible.
We weren't that fire off. But we're going the wrong
way suddenly, and I'm glad to be alive. My plan
(22:06):
b was to set a tree on fire.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
And it's not how.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Farest fire because I really didn't want to die of
the cold my part, and I wanted to lay down
and take a nap.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
So let me ask you, ye, let me ask you this.
Have you gone back to New Hampshire to go skiing
in the winter.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
No, I don't go anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
You were smart. You're smarter than you appeared, you had
said to me, Paul. Oh, yeah, I've gone back several times.
That's a pretty scary story, okay, Paul.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
I was so glad to be sitting in the police
car in like uh ten at night.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It was all it was.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
And it's a long time from three in the afternoon.
And I'm guessing you miss supper as well.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Well.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Actually we had brought snacks and food with us. We
were all.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Other. The fact that you frozen to death, you would
have froze to death out of full stomach.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Well, God bless the state police. And I don't want
to mention my south area, but they make enough on me.
But it relayed to them, and they relayed to the
New Hampshire Wildlife and they sent up as saved me
was at a flashlight, saved us is that they really
couldn't find us, but they saw the flashlight I was flashing.
(23:25):
And uh that's good.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You know again you mentioned New Hampshire wildlife. Good thing
you didn't run into any New Hampshire wildlife. All right, Paul,
let's talk about a state seal flag and motto. First
of all, what do you think about my idea?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Well, I wanted to remind you that you know, I
come from I'm older. I remember that the ust Actually
it didn't have it when I was alive, but I
think back in the fifties as late as that they
had a bounty on the seals because each one of
them each about thirty pounds of fish and they were
a real nuisance and I to give like at the.
Speaker 11 (24:01):
Time, I think it was five dollars for UH to
prove that you had, you know, taken a seal out
of the water. But there's too many activists now and there's.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But right now the seals are any dangered species because
you have the the sharks who go out. They have
a seal buffet at Montamoe Island out off the coast
and Shatham.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Well, the cycle of life game, that's my motto. Here
we got uh at the at you we got.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Here's how come they didn't believe in the cycle of
life when the poor seals were grabbing some fish. I
was a seal, That's what I'd be doing. What Let
me ask you what a seal is supposed to do
when they're in the ocean. They're supposed to like just
go to the grocery store. Of course they're going to
eat fish.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Well, it's it's that's in the if, that's in the diagram.
Now listen, you got a lobster trying to swim away. Okay,
you gotta you gotta cod fish going after the lobster.
You got a seal going after the cod fish. You
got the great white going after the seal. You got
the orca going after the great white. You got the
(25:11):
megashock going after the orca. And then you got all
our Democrat politicians, Pocahontas and MARKI and cuball from Somerville,
all going after that. And they're all carrying a basket
of blueberries. And it's the big fish eat the little fish.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Is this all on the flag that you're proposing.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Yeah, you'd have to have us like you know, and
uh to scale, but you outscale the size of Pocahontas
and all the Democrats chasing Orca and everybody else down
with their mouths open, you know, in the little bays.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Hey, you know, I think that's quite creative. Have you
actually put pen to paper on this yet or no?
Speaker 6 (25:58):
It's just living in my mind kind along with this
one other one? Really quick? How about this one. We'll
call it. We'll have a gavel and a little judge's
pull of it, and we'll call it Massachusetts as much
justice as you can afford.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's a that's a great motto. I like that you
you thought, you thought about a lot of this. You
thought about this, Paul, you're the most thoughtful caller tonight.
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I can't.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, I'm serious that that was a good job tonight, Paul.
I appreciate it very much. Man, you keep calling this program. Okay.
I love your style. Thank you.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
You know, the chickadee used to be a state bird.
The blueberries off fruit, the codfish used to have it,
and uh and I and you know there were Native
Indians and and how about that lady maybe making a
pie bringing it to the Indian or something.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think all of that would be would be just
a beautiful edition of what we're all about. And I
hope that that the commissioners who might be listening tonight
were taking some notes there, because I think you did
have the cycle of life here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Down perfect, and they can all have a clam base,
all the politicians.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Your flags getting a little crowded, Paul. I hate to
tell you, but your flag's getting just a little crowded.
I don't want you to spoil a good thing. If
you know what to tea. Thank you, Paul, we'll talk soon.
Have a great night. Let me go to Terry Don
in Harwich. Hi, Terry, how are you?
Speaker 12 (27:36):
Hi Dan, Welcome back. How are you doing.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I'm doing just great. We're having a little bit of fun,
but also we're I think we're making people think tonight,
which is what night Side is all about.
Speaker 12 (27:48):
Well, I have a suggestion for you. See what you
think of this, the model being Massachusetts for all seasons
and the flag depicting all four seasons. Now, I thought
the summer picture should be a gorgeous ocean view somewhere
(28:13):
on a beautiful beachould Tape Cod and yes, your seal
could come out in the middle of the ocean, and
we're going to have the find that Florence want reading.
That would be good. And for the fall, of course,
we have to go to the Berkshires and get the
most beautiful fall foliage, maybe around where they have the
(28:38):
symphony concerts in the summer outside.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, that was beautiful, beautiful pictures. And what about the
spring the winter?
Speaker 13 (28:50):
Oh, we has to be.
Speaker 12 (28:53):
The public garden when they put all the rights out
for Christmas, hopefully bird with no stand. Oh but you've
got to get the steakhouse with the gold dome in
the background.
Speaker 10 (29:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely, the spring.
Speaker 12 (29:14):
I would think that we have to get the flowers
in bloom. But somehow we have to figure it out
so that Constitution could be in the background.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, I think more. I'll tell you you have you
literally have covered the waterfront. Terry. I give you the
award for the most comprehensive.
Speaker 12 (29:39):
Seriously, I think that I never win anything.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well, I wish there was surprise associated with it. But oh,
you've won a couple of things with night Side, if
I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 14 (29:51):
Except from Nightside, you have a you have a if
I recall, you get a chance every morning to have
you're morning tea or coffee mug.
Speaker 12 (30:05):
I absolutely love it. Gorgeous.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
Yeah, well, hopefully I wanted.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
To stay away from people on politics.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, well, I think I think that's the problem. That's
why I love the seal because Rob cue the seal please.
Rob is at the top of his game tonight. Every
time I've said, queue that seal, he's got the seal.
That was a little bit of a delay. But maybe
(30:34):
he's on a little delay there. I think that is.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
A great job, Rob.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
All right, Rob, you got Terry seal of approval pod
in the pud. All right, Terry has always You're the best.
Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to seeing you.
I haven't seen you all summer.
Speaker 12 (30:49):
Okay, well, so why I'm so much Just say to
you one and a half down coffee dam all right.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, you bring the mugg and we all said, okay, thanks,
all right, take it easy.
Speaker 10 (31:01):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
All right now, for the first time tonight, the lines
have lightened up a little bit, so I need some
two or three quick more calls six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one
ten thirty. We're talking about the Massachusetts state seal, state flag,
and state Mono Commission. It is actually called the Massachusetts Seal,
(31:22):
Flag and Motto Advisory Commission. They were in operation for
a year, and like so many things in Massachusetts, they
petered out and they disbanded. What if they'd done. They
have now created a second commission, which probably will also disband,
although they have come up with I think really some
loser finalists. I think we need new commissioners. I will
(31:47):
be more than happy. I will volunteer. If Governor Healy
is listening, I will volunteer to become the chair of
the Motto Advisory Commission, the Massachusetts Seal, Flag and Modo
Advisory Commission. At this point, I think the commissioner is
the Secretary of Education, Secretary Tutwiler. But I got to
(32:08):
be honest with you, I think that his responsibilities are
much it's overwhelming. So if the governor's listening, I'm more
than happy to assume that obligation. But I need a
couple more callers here to join me and make give
me some ideas and suggestions. My idea, the head of
a seal use that as the state seal well named
(32:32):
Rob get ready to queue here, and then we use
the head of the seal. The motto rather the seal
on the flag, and the motto is President Kennedy's inaugural speech,
ask not what your country can do for you, ask
what you can do for your country. But again, the
seal is what I continue to hear every time I
mentioned the word seal. Thank you, Rob. We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
We're wrapping up a show. We've spent the last couple
of hours talking about the Massachusetts Seal, Flag and Modo
Advisory Commission. It was created in twenty twenty one and
it disbanded in twenty twenty three. It couldn't come up
with a motto, a seal or a flag, and now
(33:26):
they have recreated another commission only in Massachusetts. Let me
go to Mike in Milton. Hey, Mike, welcome back. How
are you sir?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Yeah? Hi, Dan, how you doing.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I'm doing great? Appreciate you calling in, Michael. What's your thought?
What would you like to add?
Speaker 7 (33:43):
Good?
Speaker 15 (33:43):
Good good? I you haven't talked he in a while.
I like your idea. I love seals.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
I'm a saltwater guy, a sawtwater fisherman, and I love them.
I know the fishermen, you know, the commercial fishermen hate
them because they eat so much bait, fish and stuff.
Speaker 15 (33:58):
But you know they're cute to well, you know, I
just I love the way they look. I could picture
one at the top of a Massachusetts stamp. Yeah, maybe a.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Little logo underneath the Massachusetts first to arrive. He had
to say something like that.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know, no, I get it. I just like the idea.
You know, they can't come up with the seal and
because no matter what, here's what the reality is. No
matter what they come up with, there's going to be
someone who's offended by it. If they put it a
Native American in, there'll be people offended. If they take
the Native American out, people will be offended if they
(34:41):
it's just it's a losing proposition. But who's going to
be offended by a cute little seal face?
Speaker 13 (34:47):
Well yeah, yeah, But if it goes through, and I
hope it does, because I just want to throw a
little sugar on top of what I already did it to,
I'll tell you in a second. But if this goes through,
the next thing, you know, Wyoming and Montana are going
to have a face of a grizzly bear.
Speaker 15 (35:08):
On this stamp or Alaska or whatever, you.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
Know, and that's all good, that's okay.
Speaker 15 (35:12):
It represents the state and it's a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Thing, you know.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
I mean, we are, after all, a state of coastal waters,
coastal Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Mean if we lived in Wyoming, Colorado or Kansas and
we talked about a seal, they wouldn't even know what
we're talking about.
Speaker 16 (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there used to be a There
used to be a thro the seal on the top left,
the little motto, you know, mass here to stay first,
to arrive here, to stay or whatever, something like that,
and then underneath I heard this from your.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Call is either a small depiction of the Constitution in
a scroll or a picture of Paul Revere on his horse.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
No, but you got it, you got it covered. I
like that. I like to remind people when I talk
about seals. There used to be a pretty well known
baseball team, a minor league baseball team called the San
Francisco Seals. That was the last minor league baseball team
that Joe DiMaggio played for. You know, he grew up
he was a San Francisco guy, and so if San
(36:20):
Francisco can have a baseball team. Need to see name
the seals? Why can't we have a state seal or
a flag that depicts the seal? You know, that's that's
I'm just trying to have a little bit of fun
with it. I'm trying to think outside the box.
Speaker 15 (36:32):
And many of you know that's excellent.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
I mean, you know obviously that.
Speaker 15 (36:37):
The committee couldn't come up with anything.
Speaker 16 (36:39):
So hey, here we are.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
You got it. You got it, Hey, Mike, call more often,
great deal your voice. Thank you so much. Thanks buddy,
talk to you soon. Okay, gotta go to Dick in Burlington. Dick,
we've we've we've talked about this now for almost two hours.
You might wrap us up.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
Go ahead, Dick, I doing ray there, you would take
it right.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Call.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
National Cemetery. I saw you Ti playing. I said to
mister Kennedy, you were the one and only you told
those son of the guns in Cuba to get the
cannons out of there or they're all gone. So Russia
right with supplying them and they disappeared.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, that was nineteen nineteen sixty two. And uh, you
got to wonder if him embarrassing Russia and Cuba if
maybe that somehow contributed to what happened in Dallas in
November of nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 7 (37:32):
Twenty second, Yeah, well we'll never know.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So what do you think about that one and only?
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Like Massachusetts is the one and only as you put
it on the flag.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yep, that's possible. What do you think about just a
seal ahead of a seal as the state seal?
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Think you're going great for me. I'm as free as
a bird because of Danuary, Donald Trump and Beaman men.
Speaker 16 (37:54):
Yahoo.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right, there's a trifecta for you. All right, Dick in Burlington.
Nice to hear your voice. Thank you, my friend, Thank
you Dan. All right, okay, all right, we've we've wrapped
it for the night here, Rob. Do you still have
the seal in the in the control room? Yeah? Yeah,
Well I just hope you clean it up there if
(38:17):
they don't leave that control room missy for the morning crew. Rob, Okay,
you got to make sure that that that is that
control room is clean and uh uh, and you're gonna
have a tough time getting the seal in the car.
But that's okay. I know if anybody can do it,
you will want to thank everybody who called tonight, and
UH want to thank Josh Kraft who joined us in
(38:39):
the nine o'clock hour. Candidate for mayor again, that preliminary election,
and they call it a preliminary election, not a primary
because it's uh it's you don't declare as a democratic Republican.
It doesn't matter. It's a non denominational election, if you will.
If it was a primary, it would be Democrats here,
Republicans here, So don't get confused by it. It will
(39:02):
cut down the field of four mayoral candidates in Boston
to two and then the final the winner will be
decided in November, early November. So I would ask all
of you to please tell you friends about Nightside. I
will I will do a nightside post game tonight at midnight.
(39:23):
All you have to do is go to Facebook Nightside
with Dan Ray and you can find me there in
about two minutes. We don't spend much time on postgame
because frankly, at this time of night, I'm a little tired.
And we have another program tomorrow night. We'll have four
interesting yes during the news update at eight o'clock and
we will talk about the Massachusetts Turnpike Service Plaza conversation
(39:45):
will follow up as we did on Wednesday night, with
the group that won that proposal, a group out of
Ireland called Apple Green. I'll end as always, all dogs,
all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's why Pal
Charlie Ray is, who passed fifteen years ago in February,
That's where all your pets are. When we passed, they
(40:06):
loved you and you loved them. I do believe that
you'll see them again, and I hope to see again
tomorrow night on night Side. Everyone, Rob Brooks, thank you, Marita,
thank you very much, and to all of you who
listened and particularly those who you called, thanks for making
this show the show that it is. My name's Dan Ray,
the host of Nightside. Will see tomorrow. I'll see you
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