September 4, 2025 • 39 mins
Back in 2020, Massachusetts agreed to pass a bill to create a committee to study and redesign the state seal. Now in 2025, Massachusetts has unveiled the finalists for the new state seal, flag, and motto. The state received more than 1,150 submissions. The three finalists for the state flag include one with a blue hill with six blue and white waves. Another with a simple blue background with the state flower, the mayflower and the third has a crimson background with six turkey feathers, representing Massachusetts as the sixth state to enter the union. Of the finalists, which would you choose and why?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's night with Dan Rays Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
If you haven't been paying attention for the last few years,
We've got lots of problems in Massachusetts, Okay, and I
don't mean to make light of any of them, but
the fact of the matter is that Massachusetts is we're
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losing residents. The people are leaving Massachusetts. More people are
leaving that are coming to Massachusetts. We have an aging
population in Massachusetts. We uh, we've we've had major problems
with the medical community in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I need not remind you.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We have Boston public school system, which is really dysfunctional
because if you if you think about the the people
who are consigned, the young people who are consigned to
that school system, who cannot escape the school system through
some you know, some form of voucher program or some
form of private school education. Poor kids that they're basically
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stockpiled in the in the City of Boston school system.
And as Josh Kraft just mentioned, at a time when
they're losing students, they're they're increasing the number of administrators.
It's always the bad sign of an organization when administrators
grow at an exponential rate. Uh, and the people who
those administrators are serving are leaving the system.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It goes on and on and on all of.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Us know, you know, we have problems with our roads
in Massachusetts. The cost of roads in the state of
Massachusetts are substantially higher on a per mile basis, uh
made from a maintenance point of view, than they are
in New Hampshire, state to the north of US, which
has much tougher winters, or it's certainly tougher winters than
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we do Massachusetts. New Hampshire does they basically maximize the
tax dollars that they raise. We I think somehow minimize them.
We talked earlier this week with the new colonel of
the Massachusetts State Police, who has inherited a state police
that is in a system that is in disarray. We
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still have to find out what happened to the to
the mass State Police applicant who was killed in a
training exercise in a boxing ring. And I mentioned last hour,
we have a five year old boy in Boston who
was run over by the school bus that he had
just gotten off. So we have problems everywhere. We have
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older cities, aging cities, and you know, all of those
are really serious problems. I mean, let me tell you,
we have big time, serious problems. Our politicians who we
send a water ishington, they seem to be very happy
with their physicians.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
They stay in those offices for a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
We have, I think, two of the oldest US Senators
in Massachusetts of any state in the country, although there
are some states that even have US senators older than us.
But if there is one thing that epitomizes, I don't know,
just the ineffectiveness of this state, it is always for
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me the effort to find a new state seal, a
new state flag, and a new state motto. There is
a You probably don't know this, but there is a
state flag and Motto advisory Commission.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yes, how about that?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
There was a state Flag and Advisory Commission that was
formulated several years ago, back in twenty and twenty one.
They were established for a number of reasons. People were
upset or concerned with the Massachusetts state flag. And again,
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it may not seem like the biggest issue in the
world to you, but I think it's I think it's
it's indicative and it's reflective of a problem we have
in this state. We had a state we still have
a state flag in which a controversy developed was also
in the wake of the George Floyd horrific murder that
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happened in Minneapolis, in which our flag which depicted an
Algonquin warrior standing proudly with a bow and arrow, but
he was standing that warrior, the Algonquin warrior, was standing
beneath a raised sword held by just the arm of
an individual. And people said, well, this shows that the Indians,
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the Native Americans were not treated well, et cetera, and
we're going to address that well. The State Flag and
Model Advisory Commission went into business in twenty twenty one,
but about two years later they disbanded. They were not
able to come up with anything. In a report of
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reading from a Boston law article written by Spencer Buell
August of this year August twenty fifth, Buell wrote in
a report the commission submitted to lawmakers, it said the
new seal and motto should be aspirational and inclusive of
the diverse perspectives, histories, and experiences of Massachusetts residents. So
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the group disbanded in November twenty twenty three, and in
July twenty twenty four, the governor signed a budget amendment
allocating another one hundred thousand dollars to establish a new
advisory group which has ten members, and they have worked diligently.
They they have come up with an equal number of
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ideas or proposals which I think.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Are just horrific.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Now I know that this is a visual story and
to show you or to talk about the flag selections
of the Seal Flag and Model Commission. This one that
our flag is a is a is basically a basic flag,
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that is a white flag, which which they they can
do anything they want. They can change the color, they
can change anything they want. But they have come up
with them three ideas which we're in an article that
I read August thirty. First, the the the chairman of
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the commission is the Education Secretary.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Here here are some of the model slogans. Motto is
like a slogan.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay, multi voce is una res publica, which means many voices,
one commonwealth.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Okay, little latin lingo never heard. We honor all life
guided by the first light. What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Bon bono publico latomure We rejoice in the public good.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean it's just to me, nothing strikes me. I mean,
if you want to go a little Latin go with
illegitimate to me non compoundom. I think all of you
know what that means. I'm not going to tell you.
If it doesn't, you can look it up.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Illegitdim, illegitimate, teamy, ilegitimate, non compound. Basically, it's don't let
the B word.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Cried you down. That was apparently I looked that one
up today. Apparently it was created by a US Army General,
Vinegar Joe Stillwell, who was in charge of the US
military in the China CBI China Burman, India during World
War Two. Joe still Wall still Well. Anyway, I have
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a proposal, and I've run this proposal previously before you,
and I really wanted tonight present it to you seriously
because I have looked at these these these banners. I
have no idea. Some of them look juvenile, some of them.
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It's if we can't come up with something better, I
want to give my proposal. And I've given this proposal before.
But since we need a seal, a flag, and a
motto to be discovered by our Seal, Flag and Motto Commission,
I am tonight proposing once again. There is nothing cwter
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in my mind if you've ever been out on a
boat in a harbor in Massachusetts and all of a
sudden you see a little seal's head pop up. I
think everybody knows what a seal looks like. The body
of a seal is not particularly attractive. They're kind of
like just a glob. So I'm just saying that, if
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you can visualize the whiskers, the little eyes, the shape
of the head, why don't we take that visual just
the head of the seal. Make that our official state seal.
I mean, we are a coastal state. We are surrounded
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by sea uh and during the summer they are eaten
by sharks. But it's a cute visual. It's it's a
charming visual. Put that on the flag. It is our
would be our state seal, and it also would be
right on the flag. I I think my idea, if
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I do say so, is brilliant. We don't need any
real model, but we could we could select so I'm
open for business here. I'm looking for ideas. Okay, I've
put forward my idea. I want to hear from you.
I'm looking at the three supposedly top flag selections.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
To describe them. One is like a maroon type flag with.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Six little like little swirls of of look like wheats wheat.
I don't know that we grow wheat in Massachusetts. I
mean if we were in Iowa or Kansas maybe. And
then there's another a blue flag, a blue flag with
a white kind of like a fat star.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Okay, who is the Rob? You will know this?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
The little tire guy that is kind of a stumpy
little tire guy is what's that michelin man. Yeah, it
looks like a micheline man with two arms ahead and
two legs, a star with a six pointed yellow star
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on his on this chest. Thank you Rob for the
michelin Man. And then there's one that I have no idea. Again,
it's like a blue blue hill. We have a blue hills,
but we also have the berkshears. And then some looks
like a flag. You know you have little blue blue lines.
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So none of it. Is this the best they come
up with? Have spent money, that's for a flag? Why
don't they they come up with a flag that would
would mean something and have the seal head as the
that's my idea. Okay, if you can beat that idea?
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three,
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one ten thirty. I'm appealing to all of you, artistic
and otherwise. There has to be a way in which
we can encounter I like the old flag, to be
really honest with you, I thought that it paid tribute
to the Algonquin warrior. You know, the public's opinion changes here, okay.
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I suspect if they did a poll on the Massachusetts
flag currently, it would be it would be received and
perceived much more favorably now, you know, four or five
years away from the horrific murder of George Floyd. In
my opinion, just as there are those who are saying, hey,
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it's time to turn the name of the football team
in Washington away from the Commodores and maybe even get
rid of the Guardians, bring back to the to the
Cleveland Indians. I'm again, I'm not so much interested in
that argument. I'm interested in coming up with something, and
you can describe it a a seal. I would suggest
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incorporate just the head of a seal as our seal,
and incorporate that seal the head of the seal in
the middle of the flag, and that takes care of
two of three of the problems. Okay, six one six
one seven, coming right back on night side right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now, let's hear it, Rob. That's a barking seal.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Most everyone can visualize what a seal looks like, you know,
that's what they sound like too.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
By the way, thanks Rob. Okay. I've also come up
with a mono, and if you want to come up
with a model, that's fine too.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Here's my motto, ask not what your country can do
for you, what would you can do for your country.
That is a quote from the inaugural address of President
John F. Kennedy on January twentieth, nineteen sixty one. That
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is I think probably the greatest statement that Kennedy ever made,
and I think it is something that we could we
could adopt as a as a state mono. Now, I
don't know if Democrats would support that or not, but
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that's my suggestion.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
A seal's head for the seal.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That seal then is on our flag, and we then
can have as our state motto, ask not what your country.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Can do for you, but what you can do for
your country? The only lines open six one seven nine.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Ten thirty. You can give me your ideas, and that's
what I want to hear. Let me go first to
Walter in Marlborough. Walter, you a first this hour nightside welcome.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yes, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Oh, I think that's very funny, the idea of making
a seal, the state seal.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm not being funny about it. I'm being serious.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I think I think it would simplify a lot of problems.
Who would be opposed to that? Seriously, because no matter
what you think, there's going to be some people who
will be offended.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Go ahead. I didn't mean to a drop question.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I'm sorry, you just meant to do it. I wanted
to use simplify. These people are I saw the proposals
for the flag and a model, and these people are
just over complicating these things. And I guess that's what
comedians do, you know. But back to the matter is
we have a very simple flag from our own history
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that would make a perfect flag, and the Bunker Hill flag.
You must have seen the Bunker Hill flag, a very
simple flag. It has what a red field with a
white canton in the upper left hand corner and a
green pine tree and it's very simple, very straightforward, and
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it's right from our history. It was flown up Bunker
Hill during the battle. And I would make a perfect
state flag in my opinion.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Okay, okay, And as.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
The MODI, we will put that into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
See if I'm looking at it right now, let me
see if I got it here.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well the problem with that flag, if I could, if
I could be so bold, okay.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Is it looks very British to me.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Well, I I, well.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Do you know what you know I'm looking at? Tell
me if you agree or disagree if you I think it.
You know, with the with the red cross in the corner,
it looks like something that would be suited you don't have.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
You don't have, you don't have to you can. There
are versions that don't have the cross, and I know
what you're looking at. There are versions that just have
the pine tree. Okay, So we can get rid of
the cross.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well I'm not I'm not opposed to the cross on
a on an anti religious ground. I'm just saying that, Yeah,
there's one here. It's a red flag and I think
it's the Is it the flag of New England? That's
a red flag with the green pine tree.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Yeah, well, I've heard that that's the Punker Hill flags.
There are like a couple of different depictions of it.
The first one you mentioned with the red cross is
one of them, but the one I'm thinking of is
the second one you mentioned there with just the the
green flag of the upper left hand corner. And to
continue with the idea of simplifying, I think the state
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motto will be very good if we just simplify it
down to three words, uh talks of libertat peace under liberty.
That says it all. That's all you need to say.
You don't need all this extra rubias that John Adams wrote,
you know, just talk sub libertati.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So you're not buying my seal idea, and you're not
buying the quote of President Kennedy from which I think
was was something.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That well that all Americans could agree upon. But that's okay.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Wa' Well, Well, like I said, I'm trying to keep
it simple. Kiss You know, I'm with.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You, is keep it simple stupid, I get it.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I guess right, And I like to simplify these says.
I mean, we've got a flag that's a nice simple
flag for our old history that would make the perfect
stay last.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
All right, we've you've made the pitch.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Let's them.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Let's see what people have to say, Walter.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Maybe maybe we will come up with an idea. Here
on night Side, they spend all this money, and all
of a sudden, I'm getting some good suggestions from my audience,
starting with you.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Well, I thank you for letting me have this opportunity
to speak byline, and we'll we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Anytime, Walter.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You always welcome here on Nightside. I think we try
to make this program available. This is not the Dan
Ray Show. This is Nightside with Dan Ray, and the
Nightside is my audience. So and you're part of my audience,
and I appreciate your loyalty. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Right, we got the news at the bottom of the hour,
and we're coming back. We got Frank and Boston, next,
Richard and Lyttleton, Mac and Quincy, Bob and Rhode Island
and guess what we got one line at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Great opportunity for maybe you to recommend. I've made my
recommendation and I'm standing on it. Walter thinks the Bunker
Hill flag would would would be fine.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That's okay, We'll uh, we'll take as.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Many ideas as possible, and who knows, in the midst
of them we might be able to accomplish. Uh here
on Nightside, but the Massachusetts Seal Flag and Moto Advisory
Commission has been able to I've been unable.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
To accomplish in four years. Coming back on Nightside, you're.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
On Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Let's get right back to the phones. Six thirty got
Frank at Boston. Frank, welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Hey, good eating, Frank.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What's your idea of either a seal flag on a
state motto.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Well, it's just like you said earlier, they should just
leave it with Gonquin Warrior and just take the sword out.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I don't understand why that is an option for these guys,
I mean most the most obvious spain.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Well, at a on a serious level, I would agree
with you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, but you know again, look, these commissioners, they have
had their meetings that they've spent they've spent money.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Did what I'm again.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, I was trying to say, Frank, that for four
years these folks, and I'm sure they're nice people. They
have spent taxpayer money. Uh, you know, they've had meetings.
I'm sure they've had meals, and I'm sure they've had
they've they've had these wonderful thought thinking sessions, and they've
come up with nothing.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, I'm kind of wondering.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
Of I'm kind of wondering whether the most simple solution
just keeping a Gonko warrior on there was was a
fear factor and the ind of the sword was controversial.
I mean, the sword was controversial.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
That that of the sword. I think they're.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Afraid of.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Up sending the right by just making the state seal
algonquin warrior.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, you know, this is what I'm not going to
argue with you on, Frank, That's that's the theory. However,
let me ask you this, what do you think about
my idea using the head of a seal as the
state seal, putting that on the flag, and using President
Kennedy's presidential inaugural address you ask not what your country
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can do for you, but what you can do for
your country.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
He's the son of Massachusetts.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Yeah, I mean, I don't like the seal.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But the statement is exactly that these poor seals are
getting eaten by sharks man and I mean they're having
a tough time, the cute little things when you see
him in the water, trust me. And it's non political too,
it's you, you know, it's it's neither right nor left, Democrat, Republican.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So but hey, I dig your ideas worthy of consideration.
I really mean that. Let's see what other people have
to say.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Okay, hey, people would tell you guys, look.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Frank, Frank, you're breaking up on me? Are you? Are
you normally? Your audience? Pretty good?
Speaker 8 (23:35):
They don't all more complicated.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
I hope they get their message.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
All right, I got you. I'm with you, Frank. This
is one we agree on, my man. Thank you very much.
All right, Pal, talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Good night. Let me go to Mac and Quincy. Hey, Mac,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Pretty good? Pretty good? I have a couple I've got
something on on on each one of the things on
the flag. I'm not I'll get to that later on.
But the three opts, the three suggestions that they have
given them, they they're the dumbest things I've ever seen.
They look like the losing entry in a cub scout
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den pak flag contests. I mean, they are really atrocious.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I agree, Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
And I can't believe. I can't believe people who were
high enough in society, if you want to call us,
that they got collected to this thing, would come up
to these asinine.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm sure that all of these people had some backgrounds,
maybe in art, maybe in the cat I don't have
the list of names I wish I did. I'm sure
all of them were friends of politicians.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm going to ask you.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
That's their only that's their only qualification, that their friends.
They had nothing to do with art or history or
anything else. They're friends of politicians period.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well maybe they were a friend of some politician who
was named art and that kind of.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Okay, that's as closure as you're going to get to
that one.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So what about my idea of the seal?
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Your idea of the seal?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Don't know?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Tell me the truth, don't don't don't, don't play, don't
play to me and tell me things I.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Don't want to hear.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Go ahead, it won't be nice to you.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Okay, good.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
I like a I think a lobster would be a
better one.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Lobsters are ugly. Lobsters are like the ugliest.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Animal however they are. They are I mean, the the
Puritans of the Pilgrims. They they ate those thinks. That's
all there was there was trash food, and they they
lived off of them. Because I have.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Friends of mine who love lobster, but to me, it's
just too much work and they look.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Robin Williams did a thing, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
On one of the comedians did a thing on lobsters
and basically said that they were like eating a big cockroach.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
You know, well, they're actually in the same family if
you if you didn't know that, but anyway, they are Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Have.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Who doesn't like a baby I mean, who doesn't like
a seal? They're cute as a butt. Little Whiskers said
everything those eyes.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
If it's if it turns out to be the baby seal,
if that one is selected, then that automatically tells you
what the mono is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
What you know, what you have got, mac, You have
caught the spirit of this hour.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
Okay, the the the the uh oh heck, well, I'm
gonna say here, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
What about using Kennedy, what about using Kennedy's inaugural addressed
the famous.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Line, well, well number one I was I knew where
you were going the first three words in there. But
they the motto should be I mean, this is a
state motto, and that's a country motto. What can you
do for the country this this is a model that
should be our state.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So that's about this motto what Massachusetts can do for you,
but what.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
You could do for Massachusetts.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Well, I did have one other idea about the only
other the only other idea I thought for a seal, uh,
not the our seal, but the but the seal on
the flag would be some some sort of a lighthouse,
and that would be you know that that comes in
a couple of places here in Massachusetts. Is not necessarily
any particular one, but you know, you know, you're kind
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of generic lighthouse at the end of a point of
land and the lighthouse up and the light teams coming out,
because that's you know, we had a lot of those
up in this part of them.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And I think they're getting rid of them, if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Well they're not. Actually, they're not getting rid of them.
They're all being automated.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
No, I get that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, but but what I'm saying is also I think
that with all of the boats now, they don't need
lighthouses anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Well, we don't need these flags either, I mean the
one that is suggested. So but.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Look, you got some good, good suggestions.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I got pack lines. I want to keep rolling here.
Many have you called before?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I don't think I've ever remember hearing from a mac
and guns.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Not for many many years. I will call you back.
I have another good one. I'll call you back in
a couple of days about my other one.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A different topic, different topic.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Yeah, well it's you. You brought it up the name
of the club down in Washington that they changed to
the what is it, the Guardians, Well.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
The Cleveland Gardens, the Washington Commander's Commanders.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
My wife said there should be the Washington Silabusters.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's a good one too. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, you're gonna have like the little the little fat
guy with the hat and the cigar.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
All right, thanks, ma, alright, bye, all right, we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We gotta take a break. Bob and Rhode Island is
up next. I got Vinnie and Maine. I got Adam
and Canton. The in in Dorchester.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
We very well. May take this into the next hour.
I hope we will.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We're trying to have a little bit of fun, but
we're also trying to basically say to the politicians, if
you kind of come up with a flag, a seal,
a flag and a motto, leave it to the night
side audience, we will do it for you, and we
won't charge you a dime.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm telling you bes Boston's
news radio, just get.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
One line open. We're gonna get to everybody. I promise
hopefully by the end of the hour, we're going to
carry this as in the next hour. I think this
is just too much fun. Six one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's the line.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Will get you in. Let me go next to Bob
and Rhode Island. Bob, appreciate your patience. Next on Nightside, Bob.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Okay, Dan, I'm gonna slogan from Massachusetts and maybe in
a lot of other states.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Even though you're from Rhode Island, we will allow it
to be considered.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Go right ahead, anybody but Trump.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I'm trying to keep the politics.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Because hopefully we'll get impeached before then.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I think he's probably gonna be
in Peach twenty thirty times here. Yeah, how did that
work out with the Democrats?
Speaker 7 (29:59):
How did that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Work out for the Democrats the first time? Bob? That was?
That was really good, wasn't it.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
I mean that's all I know.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Trump didn't get re elected.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Uh he didn't. He got re elected in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Go check out some of the newspapers.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well he's two and one. He's two and.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
One's storm the Capitol because he couldn't take it as
a baby.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Okay, Bob, thanks very much for being the downer that
you genuinely are, and you've taken a topic that I
wanted to be fun and light and basically.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Bob, I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
You got to get Trump's living Trump free.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
He's living rent free. In your head, man, you gotta
get another interest. Do you like sports? Do you like football?
The Patriots are playing on Sunday? But you hate everybody,
Bob you hate. Do you like the Red Socks? No,
you probably hate the Red Sots too, of course, don Bob.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
What do you like it?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
What do you like in your life? Bob? What do
you like in your miserable life? No?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I think you've got a miserable great comeback.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh god, he waited twenty minutes for that. I'm trying
to keep it light. Let's go, folks. Adam in Canton. Adam, welcome,
and I mean it welcome to night side.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Yeah, I'm good Dan.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
First of all, I like your idea of the seal.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
You know, it's kind of straight to the point.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And then as far as far as he's the JFK's quote,
I'm on board with that. I mean, because JFK was
from Massachusetts, by all means maybe set an example for
the rest of the country. But kind of just going back
to the was that the candidate was that mister Kraft
that was talking about, Uh, well.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
We had we had we had Josh Kraft on last hour?
Were we talking about the mayor's race in Boston right right?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
And in terms of like reducing government spending and things
like this. So if we have these two commiss that
are tasked with taking a seal and a model in
their falling flat on their flace, I mean that seems
like bloated bureaucracy to me. So I think dissolve goes.
And then now and then take all public high schools
and open it up, open it up to the public
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high schools, a competition for high school juniors.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, that's a great idea. That's a great idea.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
And then when and then when there's a winner selected
that school, you know, first place, second place, third place,
you know, award that school one hundred thousand dollars in scholarships,
fifty thousand scholarships, twenty five thousand in college scholarship.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, it's better than it's better than buying meals meals
for people who were elected, who are appointed to some commission.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
It's yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, I'm glad to know that you liked the idea
of the seal, because I think that it is an
unappreciated asset of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I have been on like.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
A boat and you get out, you know, you don't
have to get too far out in the ocean, and
all of a sudden, these little baby seals are these
seals come bin and they pop their heads up and
they're they're cute as a button.
Speaker 10 (33:09):
So, yeah, we have some of the most incredible like, uh,
ocean life. Yeah, I like, I've been on a couple
of fishing trips and have seen things that you know,
never would have otherwise seen them. You know, I'm not
really a man of the seas, and yeah, I mean
we do where we are fortunate to have the exposure
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to the two different you know, whether it's from Brothers
Bay or Race Point.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I mean, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
We're a coastal state. You know, We're not Florida, We're
not California. But we we have it.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
We have it all.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
We got the Berkshires, we got skiing up and up
in New Hampshire and Vermont and Maine. We have the
ocean in the summertime. We got all the major league
sports here, we got minor league sports. We got it all.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Hey, have you called before Adams this year? First time?
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Uh, this was my first time calling in a long
in a long time, but I'm a long time listener.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, I want to give you a round of applause
not only is your first time calling, but also as
a long time listener.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Adam, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You you caught the spirit of the conversation a lot
better than my friend Bob and Rhode Island.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Yeah, maybe we.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Should make this the Big Bob Happy somehow.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
That could be our model.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Thanks man, Okay, talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Good.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let me go next to in in Dorchester and you
were next on nightside. What are your thoughts about a
new state seal, state flag and state motto?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Hi Dan, thanks taking my call.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
You're welcome.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
The three that we are given were just so AI created.
It's what a way to put it.
Speaker 11 (34:52):
The I think maybe Paul Revere and Silversmith, maybe something
like that, or even a picture of the Constitution, or
something to do with music.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Like you said, we have the berkeshears and we have
Berkeley School of Music and maybe something like that.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So so you're I just again, because I'm the host.
I think my idea is brilliant.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
Of course you do, and I think so too. But
I'm going to give you a run for your money.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
How about a mono? You got a model that you
think would roll off your tongue?
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Just what did the other gentleman say?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Peace?
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Peace, kindness?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
How about how about we use we use a symbol
of a crazy Boston driver on the flag and peace
and unity.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
No, no, no, that's not going to happen. But I
don't know. Just mister history, music and okay, something like that.
But we could even put the the.
Speaker 11 (36:13):
Oh god, I forget the name of it. The the public.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Gardens, okay, the all the common Okay, you're taking this
really seriously in and I respect you for that. But
I'm gonna put down Paul Revere on a horse, because yeah,
without Paul.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Revere, we never would have known which way the British.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Were coming, right, that's correct?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
All right, hey, and thanks so much for calling. I
appreciate it, Thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
Okay, by now, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Let me go to Vinnie up in Maine. It's funny
we got a couple of out of state callers. I'm
sure Vinnie's gonna be much better quality than Bob and
Rhode Island.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Hi, Vinnie, how are you?
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Hi? Bob was right about everything. Let me. I know
you want to keep it light hearted, so here it comes.
I'll give you something like that.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I feel by the way, just so you know, I
put Bob on because I feel bad for Bobby.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Think it's therapy.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I think it's therapeutic that he gets to get whatever
bile out.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
He wants to get out. I'm trying to be He's
making it difficult.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Yeah, there's only one judge. But anyway, I really think
that the true spirit and essence of Boston.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
It will also show inclusion and the fact that they
treat everyone the same. The flag should be just one big,
bright orange pocketing ticket.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That's a good one. I like that. I actually like that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That is something it should be many many people, many
people who come to Boston from out of town get
a souvenir.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Boston Welcome. There you go. Yeah, yeah, could be yeah,
what could be use your blinker? Use your blinker?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Why would you want to know? Yeah? But I know,
and it would have to be b.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
L I n k A right exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, okay, I do.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Like the idea of the solhoette. I like the soloette,
idea of Paul River on a horse.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Also, and what about my idea of a seal the
head of a seal. Deal.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You gotta be careful with copyright because I want you
to go to Smutty Noses website. It's a beer that's
made in New Hampshire, and uh, that's exactly what they have.
A look you little seal poking his head out of
the water with a little smile.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, I think that we let me tell you something.
If we use the seal as a state flag, some
little brewery in New Hampshire would be thrilled that that that.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Okay, think of.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
The publicity they would get out of that, they would
they would agree to that in a New York second. Okay, hey, Bennie,
thank you much. Where about some Maine, are you?
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Yeah, Boston Strong, that's what I think the model should be.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Because that's all right, that's a good one too. I
agree with you on that, Thank you much. You guys
are getting too serious for me here though. If you're
on the line, stay there. We're going to carry this
into the next hour. Six point seven two five four
thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I am. I am telling you what I believe, and
I want to know what you think. Massachusetts needs a seal,
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a flag, and a motto. Let's do it, people,
It's night with Dan Rays Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
If you haven't been paying attention for the last few years,
We've got lots of problems in Massachusetts, Okay, and I
don't mean to make light of any of them, but
the fact of the matter is that Massachusetts is we're
(00:26):
losing residents. The people are leaving Massachusetts. More people are
leaving that are coming to Massachusetts. We have an aging
population in Massachusetts. We uh, we've we've had major problems
with the medical community in Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I need not remind you.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We have Boston public school system, which is really dysfunctional
because if you if you think about the the people
who are consigned, the young people who are consigned to
that school system, who cannot escape the school system through
some you know, some form of voucher program or some
form of private school education. Poor kids that they're basically
(01:11):
stockpiled in the in the City of Boston school system.
And as Josh Kraft just mentioned, at a time when
they're losing students, they're they're increasing the number of administrators.
It's always the bad sign of an organization when administrators
grow at an exponential rate. Uh, and the people who
those administrators are serving are leaving the system.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
It goes on and on and on all of.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Us know, you know, we have problems with our roads
in Massachusetts. The cost of roads in the state of
Massachusetts are substantially higher on a per mile basis, uh
made from a maintenance point of view, than they are
in New Hampshire, state to the north of US, which
has much tougher winters, or it's certainly tougher winters than
(01:59):
we do Massachusetts. New Hampshire does they basically maximize the
tax dollars that they raise. We I think somehow minimize them.
We talked earlier this week with the new colonel of
the Massachusetts State Police, who has inherited a state police
that is in a system that is in disarray. We
(02:23):
still have to find out what happened to the to
the mass State Police applicant who was killed in a
training exercise in a boxing ring. And I mentioned last hour,
we have a five year old boy in Boston who
was run over by the school bus that he had
just gotten off. So we have problems everywhere. We have
(02:44):
older cities, aging cities, and you know, all of those
are really serious problems. I mean, let me tell you,
we have big time, serious problems. Our politicians who we
send a water ishington, they seem to be very happy
with their physicians.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
They stay in those offices for a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
We have, I think, two of the oldest US Senators
in Massachusetts of any state in the country, although there
are some states that even have US senators older than us.
But if there is one thing that epitomizes, I don't know,
just the ineffectiveness of this state, it is always for
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me the effort to find a new state seal, a
new state flag, and a new state motto. There is
a You probably don't know this, but there is a
state flag and Motto advisory Commission.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yes, how about that?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
There was a state Flag and Advisory Commission that was
formulated several years ago, back in twenty and twenty one.
They were established for a number of reasons. People were
upset or concerned with the Massachusetts state flag. And again,
(04:13):
it may not seem like the biggest issue in the
world to you, but I think it's I think it's
it's indicative and it's reflective of a problem we have
in this state. We had a state we still have
a state flag in which a controversy developed was also
in the wake of the George Floyd horrific murder that
(04:35):
happened in Minneapolis, in which our flag which depicted an
Algonquin warrior standing proudly with a bow and arrow, but
he was standing that warrior, the Algonquin warrior, was standing
beneath a raised sword held by just the arm of
an individual. And people said, well, this shows that the Indians,
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the Native Americans were not treated well, et cetera, and
we're going to address that well. The State Flag and
Model Advisory Commission went into business in twenty twenty one,
but about two years later they disbanded. They were not
able to come up with anything. In a report of
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reading from a Boston law article written by Spencer Buell
August of this year August twenty fifth, Buell wrote in
a report the commission submitted to lawmakers, it said the
new seal and motto should be aspirational and inclusive of
the diverse perspectives, histories, and experiences of Massachusetts residents. So
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the group disbanded in November twenty twenty three, and in
July twenty twenty four, the governor signed a budget amendment
allocating another one hundred thousand dollars to establish a new
advisory group which has ten members, and they have worked diligently.
They they have come up with an equal number of
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ideas or proposals which I think.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Are just horrific.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Now I know that this is a visual story and
to show you or to talk about the flag selections
of the Seal Flag and Model Commission. This one that
our flag is a is a is basically a basic flag,
(06:38):
that is a white flag, which which they they can
do anything they want. They can change the color, they
can change anything they want. But they have come up
with them three ideas which we're in an article that
I read August thirty. First, the the the chairman of
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the commission is the Education Secretary.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Here here are some of the model slogans. Motto is
like a slogan.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay, multi voce is una res publica, which means many voices,
one commonwealth.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Okay, little latin lingo never heard. We honor all life
guided by the first light. What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Bon bono publico latomure We rejoice in the public good.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean it's just to me, nothing strikes me. I mean,
if you want to go a little Latin go with
illegitimate to me non compoundom. I think all of you
know what that means. I'm not going to tell you.
If it doesn't, you can look it up.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Illegitdim, illegitimate, teamy, ilegitimate, non compound. Basically, it's don't let
the B word.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Cried you down. That was apparently I looked that one
up today. Apparently it was created by a US Army General,
Vinegar Joe Stillwell, who was in charge of the US
military in the China CBI China Burman, India during World
War Two. Joe still Wall still Well. Anyway, I have
(08:25):
a proposal, and I've run this proposal previously before you,
and I really wanted tonight present it to you seriously
because I have looked at these these these banners. I
have no idea. Some of them look juvenile, some of them.
(08:50):
It's if we can't come up with something better, I
want to give my proposal. And I've given this proposal before.
But since we need a seal, a flag, and a
motto to be discovered by our Seal, Flag and Motto Commission,
I am tonight proposing once again. There is nothing cwter
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in my mind if you've ever been out on a
boat in a harbor in Massachusetts and all of a
sudden you see a little seal's head pop up. I
think everybody knows what a seal looks like. The body
of a seal is not particularly attractive. They're kind of
like just a glob. So I'm just saying that, if
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you can visualize the whiskers, the little eyes, the shape
of the head, why don't we take that visual just
the head of the seal. Make that our official state seal.
I mean, we are a coastal state. We are surrounded
(09:59):
by sea uh and during the summer they are eaten
by sharks. But it's a cute visual. It's it's a
charming visual. Put that on the flag. It is our
would be our state seal, and it also would be
right on the flag. I I think my idea, if
(10:21):
I do say so, is brilliant. We don't need any
real model, but we could we could select so I'm
open for business here. I'm looking for ideas. Okay, I've
put forward my idea. I want to hear from you.
I'm looking at the three supposedly top flag selections.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
To describe them. One is like a maroon type flag with.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Six little like little swirls of of look like wheats wheat.
I don't know that we grow wheat in Massachusetts. I
mean if we were in Iowa or Kansas maybe. And
then there's another a blue flag, a blue flag with
a white kind of like a fat star.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Okay, who is the Rob? You will know this?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
The little tire guy that is kind of a stumpy
little tire guy is what's that michelin man. Yeah, it
looks like a micheline man with two arms ahead and
two legs, a star with a six pointed yellow star
(11:33):
on his on this chest. Thank you Rob for the
michelin Man. And then there's one that I have no idea. Again,
it's like a blue blue hill. We have a blue hills,
but we also have the berkshears. And then some looks
like a flag. You know you have little blue blue lines.
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So none of it. Is this the best they come
up with? Have spent money, that's for a flag? Why
don't they they come up with a flag that would
would mean something and have the seal head as the
that's my idea. Okay, if you can beat that idea?
Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six, one seven, nine, three,
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one ten thirty. I'm appealing to all of you, artistic
and otherwise. There has to be a way in which
we can encounter I like the old flag, to be
really honest with you, I thought that it paid tribute
to the Algonquin warrior. You know, the public's opinion changes here, okay.
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I suspect if they did a poll on the Massachusetts
flag currently, it would be it would be received and
perceived much more favorably now, you know, four or five
years away from the horrific murder of George Floyd. In
my opinion, just as there are those who are saying, hey,
(12:59):
it's time to turn the name of the football team
in Washington away from the Commodores and maybe even get
rid of the Guardians, bring back to the to the
Cleveland Indians. I'm again, I'm not so much interested in
that argument. I'm interested in coming up with something, and
you can describe it a a seal. I would suggest
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incorporate just the head of a seal as our seal,
and incorporate that seal the head of the seal in
the middle of the flag, and that takes care of
two of three of the problems. Okay, six one six
one seven, coming right back on night side right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WZ Boston's
news Radio.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now, let's hear it, Rob. That's a barking seal.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Most everyone can visualize what a seal looks like, you know,
that's what they sound like too.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
By the way, thanks Rob. Okay. I've also come up
with a mono, and if you want to come up
with a model, that's fine too.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Here's my motto, ask not what your country can do
for you, what would you can do for your country.
That is a quote from the inaugural address of President
John F. Kennedy on January twentieth, nineteen sixty one. That
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is I think probably the greatest statement that Kennedy ever made,
and I think it is something that we could we
could adopt as a as a state mono. Now, I
don't know if Democrats would support that or not, but
(14:54):
that's my suggestion.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
A seal's head for the seal.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That seal then is on our flag, and we then
can have as our state motto, ask not what your country.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Can do for you, but what you can do for
your country? The only lines open six one seven nine.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Ten thirty. You can give me your ideas, and that's
what I want to hear. Let me go first to
Walter in Marlborough. Walter, you a first this hour nightside welcome.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yes, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
Oh, I think that's very funny, the idea of making
a seal, the state seal.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I'm not being funny about it. I'm being serious.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I think I think it would simplify a lot of problems.
Who would be opposed to that? Seriously, because no matter
what you think, there's going to be some people who
will be offended.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Go ahead. I didn't mean to a drop question.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
I'm sorry, you just meant to do it. I wanted
to use simplify. These people are I saw the proposals
for the flag and a model, and these people are
just over complicating these things. And I guess that's what
comedians do, you know. But back to the matter is
we have a very simple flag from our own history
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that would make a perfect flag, and the Bunker Hill flag.
You must have seen the Bunker Hill flag, a very
simple flag. It has what a red field with a
white canton in the upper left hand corner and a
green pine tree and it's very simple, very straightforward, and
(16:29):
it's right from our history. It was flown up Bunker
Hill during the battle. And I would make a perfect
state flag in my opinion.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Okay, okay, And as.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
The MODI, we will put that into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
See if I'm looking at it right now, let me
see if I got it here.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well the problem with that flag, if I could, if
I could be so bold, okay.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Is it looks very British to me.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Well, I I, well.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Do you know what you know I'm looking at? Tell
me if you agree or disagree if you I think it.
You know, with the with the red cross in the corner,
it looks like something that would be suited you don't have.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
You don't have, you don't have to you can. There
are versions that don't have the cross, and I know
what you're looking at. There are versions that just have
the pine tree. Okay, So we can get rid of
the cross.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well I'm not I'm not opposed to the cross on
a on an anti religious ground. I'm just saying that, Yeah,
there's one here. It's a red flag and I think
it's the Is it the flag of New England? That's
a red flag with the green pine tree.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Yeah, well, I've heard that that's the Punker Hill flags.
There are like a couple of different depictions of it.
The first one you mentioned with the red cross is
one of them, but the one I'm thinking of is
the second one you mentioned there with just the the
green flag of the upper left hand corner. And to
continue with the idea of simplifying, I think the state
(18:12):
motto will be very good if we just simplify it
down to three words, uh talks of libertat peace under liberty.
That says it all. That's all you need to say.
You don't need all this extra rubias that John Adams wrote,
you know, just talk sub libertati.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So you're not buying my seal idea, and you're not
buying the quote of President Kennedy from which I think
was was something.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
That well that all Americans could agree upon. But that's okay.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Wa' Well, Well, like I said, I'm trying to keep
it simple. Kiss You know, I'm with.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You, is keep it simple stupid, I get it.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I guess right, And I like to simplify these says.
I mean, we've got a flag that's a nice simple
flag for our old history that would make the perfect
stay last.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
All right, we've you've made the pitch.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Let's them.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Let's see what people have to say, Walter.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Maybe maybe we will come up with an idea. Here
on night Side, they spend all this money, and all
of a sudden, I'm getting some good suggestions from my audience,
starting with you.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
So I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Well, I thank you for letting me have this opportunity
to speak byline, and we'll we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Anytime, Walter.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
You always welcome here on Nightside. I think we try
to make this program available. This is not the Dan
Ray Show. This is Nightside with Dan Ray, and the
Nightside is my audience. So and you're part of my audience,
and I appreciate your loyalty. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Right, we got the news at the bottom of the hour,
and we're coming back. We got Frank and Boston, next,
Richard and Lyttleton, Mac and Quincy, Bob and Rhode Island
and guess what we got one line at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
This is a.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Great opportunity for maybe you to recommend. I've made my
recommendation and I'm standing on it. Walter thinks the Bunker
Hill flag would would would be fine.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That's okay, We'll uh, we'll take as.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Many ideas as possible, and who knows, in the midst
of them we might be able to accomplish. Uh here
on Nightside, but the Massachusetts Seal Flag and Moto Advisory
Commission has been able to I've been unable.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
To accomplish in four years. Coming back on Nightside, you're.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
On Nightside with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Let's get right back to the phones. Six thirty got
Frank at Boston. Frank, welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Hey, good eating, Frank.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What's your idea of either a seal flag on a
state motto.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Well, it's just like you said earlier, they should just
leave it with Gonquin Warrior and just take the sword out.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (21:00):
I don't understand why that is an option for these guys,
I mean most the most obvious spain.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Well, at a on a serious level, I would agree
with you.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, but you know again, look, these commissioners, they have
had their meetings that they've spent they've spent money.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Did what I'm again.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Well, I was trying to say, Frank, that for four
years these folks, and I'm sure they're nice people. They
have spent taxpayer money. Uh, you know, they've had meetings.
I'm sure they've had meals, and I'm sure they've had
they've they've had these wonderful thought thinking sessions, and they've
come up with nothing.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, I'm kind of wondering.
Speaker 8 (21:51):
Of I'm kind of wondering whether the most simple solution
just keeping a Gonko warrior on there was was a
fear factor and the ind of the sword was controversial.
I mean, the sword was controversial.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
That that of the sword. I think they're.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Afraid of.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Up sending the right by just making the state seal
algonquin warrior.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, you know, this is what I'm not going to
argue with you on, Frank, That's that's the theory. However,
let me ask you this, what do you think about
my idea using the head of a seal as the
state seal, putting that on the flag, and using President
Kennedy's presidential inaugural address you ask not what your country
(22:45):
can do for you, but what you can do for
your country.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
He's the son of Massachusetts.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
Yeah, I mean, I don't like the seal.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
But the statement is exactly that these poor seals are
getting eaten by sharks man and I mean they're having
a tough time, the cute little things when you see
him in the water, trust me. And it's non political too,
it's you, you know, it's it's neither right nor left, Democrat, Republican.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So but hey, I dig your ideas worthy of consideration.
I really mean that. Let's see what other people have
to say.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Okay, hey, people would tell you guys, look.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Frank, Frank, you're breaking up on me? Are you? Are
you normally? Your audience? Pretty good?
Speaker 8 (23:35):
They don't all more complicated.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
I hope they get their message.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
All right, I got you. I'm with you, Frank. This
is one we agree on, my man. Thank you very much.
All right, Pal, talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Good night. Let me go to Mac and Quincy. Hey, Mac,
how are you tonight?
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Pretty good? Pretty good? I have a couple I've got
something on on on each one of the things on
the flag. I'm not I'll get to that later on.
But the three opts, the three suggestions that they have
given them, they they're the dumbest things I've ever seen.
They look like the losing entry in a cub scout
(24:10):
den pak flag contests. I mean, they are really atrocious.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I agree, Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
And I can't believe. I can't believe people who were
high enough in society, if you want to call us,
that they got collected to this thing, would come up
to these asinine.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm sure that all of these people had some backgrounds,
maybe in art, maybe in the cat I don't have
the list of names I wish I did. I'm sure
all of them were friends of politicians.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
I'm going to ask you.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
That's their only that's their only qualification, that their friends.
They had nothing to do with art or history or
anything else. They're friends of politicians period.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Well maybe they were a friend of some politician who
was named art and that kind of.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Okay, that's as closure as you're going to get to
that one.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
So what about my idea of the seal?
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Your idea of the seal?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Don't know?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Tell me the truth, don't don't don't, don't play, don't
play to me and tell me things I.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Don't want to hear.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Go ahead, it won't be nice to you.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Okay, good.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
I like a I think a lobster would be a
better one.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Lobsters are ugly. Lobsters are like the ugliest.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
Animal however they are. They are I mean, the the
Puritans of the Pilgrims. They they ate those thinks. That's
all there was there was trash food, and they they
lived off of them. Because I have.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Friends of mine who love lobster, but to me, it's
just too much work and they look.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Robin Williams did a thing, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
On one of the comedians did a thing on lobsters
and basically said that they were like eating a big cockroach.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
You know, well, they're actually in the same family if
you if you didn't know that, but anyway, they are Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Have.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Who doesn't like a baby I mean, who doesn't like
a seal? They're cute as a butt. Little Whiskers said
everything those eyes.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
If it's if it turns out to be the baby seal,
if that one is selected, then that automatically tells you
what the mono is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
What you know, what you have got, mac, You have
caught the spirit of this hour.
Speaker 7 (26:21):
Okay, the the the the uh oh heck, well, I'm
gonna say here, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
What about using Kennedy, what about using Kennedy's inaugural addressed
the famous.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
Line, well, well number one I was I knew where
you were going the first three words in there. But
they the motto should be I mean, this is a
state motto, and that's a country motto. What can you
do for the country this this is a model that
should be our state.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So that's about this motto what Massachusetts can do for you,
but what.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
You could do for Massachusetts.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
Well, I did have one other idea about the only
other the only other idea I thought for a seal, uh,
not the our seal, but the but the seal on
the flag would be some some sort of a lighthouse,
and that would be you know that that comes in
a couple of places here in Massachusetts. Is not necessarily
any particular one, but you know, you know, you're kind
(27:22):
of generic lighthouse at the end of a point of
land and the lighthouse up and the light teams coming out,
because that's you know, we had a lot of those
up in this part of them.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
And I think they're getting rid of them, if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Well they're not. Actually, they're not getting rid of them.
They're all being automated.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
No, I get that.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, but but what I'm saying is also I think
that with all of the boats now, they don't need
lighthouses anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Well, we don't need these flags either, I mean the
one that is suggested. So but.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Look, you got some good, good suggestions.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I got pack lines. I want to keep rolling here.
Many have you called before?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I don't think I've ever remember hearing from a mac
and guns.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Not for many many years. I will call you back.
I have another good one. I'll call you back in
a couple of days about my other one.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A different topic, different topic.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Yeah, well it's you. You brought it up the name
of the club down in Washington that they changed to
the what is it, the Guardians, Well.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
The Cleveland Gardens, the Washington Commander's Commanders.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
My wife said there should be the Washington Silabusters.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's a good one too. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, you're gonna have like the little the little fat
guy with the hat and the cigar.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
All right, thanks, ma, alright, bye, all right, we're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We gotta take a break. Bob and Rhode Island is
up next. I got Vinnie and Maine. I got Adam
and Canton. The in in Dorchester.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
We very well. May take this into the next hour.
I hope we will.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We're trying to have a little bit of fun, but
we're also trying to basically say to the politicians, if
you kind of come up with a flag, a seal,
a flag and a motto, leave it to the night
side audience, we will do it for you, and we
won't charge you a dime.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm telling you bes Boston's
news radio, just get.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
One line open. We're gonna get to everybody. I promise
hopefully by the end of the hour, we're going to
carry this as in the next hour. I think this
is just too much fun. Six one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
That's the line.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Will get you in. Let me go next to Bob
and Rhode Island. Bob, appreciate your patience. Next on Nightside, Bob.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Okay, Dan, I'm gonna slogan from Massachusetts and maybe in
a lot of other states.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Even though you're from Rhode Island, we will allow it
to be considered.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
Go right ahead, anybody but Trump.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I'm trying to keep the politics.
Speaker 7 (29:48):
Because hopefully we'll get impeached before then.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I think he's probably gonna be
in Peach twenty thirty times here. Yeah, how did that
work out with the Democrats?
Speaker 7 (29:59):
How did that.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Work out for the Democrats the first time? Bob? That was?
That was really good, wasn't it.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
I mean that's all I know.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Trump didn't get re elected.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Uh he didn't. He got re elected in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Go check out some of the newspapers.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well he's two and one. He's two and.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
One's storm the Capitol because he couldn't take it as
a baby.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Okay, Bob, thanks very much for being the downer that
you genuinely are, and you've taken a topic that I
wanted to be fun and light and basically.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Bob, I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
You got to get Trump's living Trump free.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
He's living rent free. In your head, man, you gotta
get another interest. Do you like sports? Do you like football?
The Patriots are playing on Sunday? But you hate everybody,
Bob you hate. Do you like the Red Socks? No,
you probably hate the Red Sots too, of course, don Bob.
Speaker 9 (30:53):
What do you like it?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
What do you like in your life? Bob? What do
you like in your miserable life? No?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I think you've got a miserable great comeback.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh god, he waited twenty minutes for that. I'm trying
to keep it light. Let's go, folks. Adam in Canton. Adam, welcome,
and I mean it welcome to night side.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
Yeah, I'm good Dan.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
First of all, I like your idea of the seal.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
You know, it's kind of straight to the point.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
And then as far as far as he's the JFK's quote,
I'm on board with that. I mean, because JFK was
from Massachusetts, by all means maybe set an example for
the rest of the country. But kind of just going back
to the was that the candidate was that mister Kraft
that was talking about, Uh, well.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
We had we had we had Josh Kraft on last hour?
Were we talking about the mayor's race in Boston right right?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
And in terms of like reducing government spending and things
like this. So if we have these two commiss that
are tasked with taking a seal and a model in
their falling flat on their flace, I mean that seems
like bloated bureaucracy to me. So I think dissolve goes.
And then now and then take all public high schools
and open it up, open it up to the public
(32:16):
high schools, a competition for high school juniors.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, that's a great idea. That's a great idea.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
And then when and then when there's a winner selected
that school, you know, first place, second place, third place,
you know, award that school one hundred thousand dollars in scholarships,
fifty thousand scholarships, twenty five thousand in college scholarship.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, it's better than it's better than buying meals meals
for people who were elected, who are appointed to some commission.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
It's yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, I'm glad to know that you liked the idea
of the seal, because I think that it is an
unappreciated asset of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I have been on like.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
A boat and you get out, you know, you don't
have to get too far out in the ocean, and
all of a sudden, these little baby seals are these
seals come bin and they pop their heads up and
they're they're cute as a button.
Speaker 10 (33:09):
So, yeah, we have some of the most incredible like, uh,
ocean life. Yeah, I like, I've been on a couple
of fishing trips and have seen things that you know,
never would have otherwise seen them. You know, I'm not
really a man of the seas, and yeah, I mean
we do where we are fortunate to have the exposure
(33:33):
to the two different you know, whether it's from Brothers
Bay or Race Point.
Speaker 6 (33:37):
I mean, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
We're a coastal state. You know, We're not Florida, We're
not California. But we we have it.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
We have it all.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
We got the Berkshires, we got skiing up and up
in New Hampshire and Vermont and Maine. We have the
ocean in the summertime. We got all the major league
sports here, we got minor league sports. We got it all.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Hey, have you called before Adams this year? First time?
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Uh, this was my first time calling in a long
in a long time, but I'm a long time listener.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, I want to give you a round of applause
not only is your first time calling, but also as
a long time listener.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Adam, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You you caught the spirit of the conversation a lot
better than my friend Bob and Rhode Island.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Yeah, maybe we.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Should make this the Big Bob Happy somehow.
Speaker 10 (34:23):
That could be our model.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Thanks man, Okay, talk to you soon.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
Good.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let me go next to in in Dorchester and you
were next on nightside. What are your thoughts about a
new state seal, state flag and state motto?
Speaker 9 (34:39):
Hi Dan, thanks taking my call.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
You're welcome.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
The three that we are given were just so AI created.
It's what a way to put it.
Speaker 11 (34:52):
The I think maybe Paul Revere and Silversmith, maybe something
like that, or even a picture of the Constitution, or
something to do with music.
Speaker 9 (35:06):
Like you said, we have the berkeshears and we have
Berkeley School of Music and maybe something like that.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
So so you're I just again, because I'm the host.
I think my idea is brilliant.
Speaker 9 (35:22):
Of course you do, and I think so too. But
I'm going to give you a run for your money.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
How about a mono? You got a model that you
think would roll off your tongue?
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Just what did the other gentleman say?
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Peace?
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Peace, kindness?
Speaker 2 (35:47):
How about how about we use we use a symbol
of a crazy Boston driver on the flag and peace
and unity.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
No, no, no, that's not going to happen. But I
don't know. Just mister history, music and okay, something like that.
But we could even put the the.
Speaker 11 (36:13):
Oh god, I forget the name of it. The the public.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Gardens, okay, the all the common Okay, you're taking this
really seriously in and I respect you for that. But
I'm gonna put down Paul Revere on a horse, because yeah,
without Paul.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Revere, we never would have known which way the British.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Were coming, right, that's correct?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
All right, hey, and thanks so much for calling. I
appreciate it, Thanks so much.
Speaker 9 (36:42):
Okay, by now, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Let me go to Vinnie up in Maine. It's funny
we got a couple of out of state callers. I'm
sure Vinnie's gonna be much better quality than Bob and
Rhode Island.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Hi, Vinnie, how are you?
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Hi? Bob was right about everything. Let me. I know
you want to keep it light hearted, so here it comes.
I'll give you something like that.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I feel by the way, just so you know, I
put Bob on because I feel bad for Bobby.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Think it's therapy.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I think it's therapeutic that he gets to get whatever
bile out.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
He wants to get out. I'm trying to be He's
making it difficult.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Yeah, there's only one judge. But anyway, I really think
that the true spirit and essence of Boston.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
It will also show inclusion and the fact that they
treat everyone the same. The flag should be just one big,
bright orange pocketing ticket.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
That's a good one. I like that. I actually like that.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
That is something it should be many many people, many
people who come to Boston from out of town get
a souvenir.
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Boston Welcome. There you go. Yeah, yeah, could be yeah,
what could be use your blinker? Use your blinker?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Why would you want to know? Yeah? But I know,
and it would have to be b.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
L I n k A right exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, okay, I do.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
Like the idea of the solhoette. I like the soloette,
idea of Paul River on a horse.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Also, and what about my idea of a seal the
head of a seal. Deal.
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You gotta be careful with copyright because I want you
to go to Smutty Noses website. It's a beer that's
made in New Hampshire, and uh, that's exactly what they have.
A look you little seal poking his head out of
the water with a little smile.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, I think that we let me tell you something.
If we use the seal as a state flag, some
little brewery in New Hampshire would be thrilled that that that.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Okay, think of.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
The publicity they would get out of that, they would
they would agree to that in a New York second. Okay, hey, Bennie,
thank you much. Where about some Maine, are you?
Speaker 7 (38:44):
Yeah, Boston Strong, that's what I think the model should be.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Because that's all right, that's a good one too. I
agree with you on that, Thank you much. You guys
are getting too serious for me here though. If you're
on the line, stay there. We're going to carry this
into the next hour. Six point seven two five four
thirty or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
I am. I am telling you what I believe, and
I want to know what you think. Massachusetts needs a seal,
(39:09):
a flag, and a motto. Let's do it, people,
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