August 26, 2025 • 39 mins
Bradley Jay Fills in on NightSide
The American new wave band Devo really hit their stride and broke through to mainstream in the 1980s with hits like “Whip It” and “(I Can’t Get Me No) Satisfaction”. Bradley Jay is a longtime Devo fan, who saw them live in Boston and considers the show in his top ten best concerts of all time! Netflix just released a documentary on the band that explores the evolution of Devo. Mark Mothersbaugh, co-founder and member of Devo joined Bradley to discuss their successful career!
The American new wave band Devo really hit their stride and broke through to mainstream in the 1980s with hits like “Whip It” and “(I Can’t Get Me No) Satisfaction”. Bradley Jay is a longtime Devo fan, who saw them live in Boston and considers the show in his top ten best concerts of all time! Netflix just released a documentary on the band that explores the evolution of Devo. Mark Mothersbaugh, co-founder and member of Devo joined Bradley to discuss their successful career!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Damn Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bradley J for Dan Tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I started out doing college radio in the late seventies,
and when a band called Divo came along, it was
a huge deal. It was different and it was bold.
Devo became a great band and live they blew me away.
They blew me away. But Devo's much more than a band,
And I'd like you to think of Divo as a
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group of people who saw the world and saw what
a mess it was and set out to show us
how ridiculous that it had become.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And while he did.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Kind of infiltrate the mainstream, the message was missed by many,
which is too bad.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
But there's another chance to get it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
There's an excellent documentary which I've watched three times now,
which is almost too you know, like a disease. I
probably shouldn't watch it that much, but it's excellent and
it gives us a chance to understand what Divo was
really doing. And our guest, it's Mark Mothersback, co founder
a Divo and co creator of Concept of Devolution. He's
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here to chat about this excellent documentary and what it
has accomplished.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Thanks for being with us, Mark Hi, thanks for having
me on course.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Now, this documentary is tremendous. You've got to be very
happy with it. Can you tell me what it accomplishes
for you?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, you know, it's this is you know, this has
been fifty years since we started the band, and it's
just it gets everything in one place at one time.
So so pretty much it's like just like a relief
to have it finally happen.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
In the beginning, you strongly felt our culture was broken
going the wrong way. What was your initial vision of
what you could change and your vision about how to
go about it.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Well, you know, we were Jerry Casally and I met
at Kent State and we were there in nineteen seventy
during the shootings on May fourth, and we kind of
it changed our whole thoughts. We were we were protesting
the war in Vietnam that that day, and it changed
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the way we thought about humans on planet Earth. We
felt like maybe things were evolving rather than evolving. And
we were writing music and we wanted to talk about
that in our music and and we did, and we
we were you know, we we learned from the Kent
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State shootings that that revolution is not the way to
change things in this country because if you if you
go out and protest protesters, they just get tired. When
they get tired of you, they just shoot you. So
we thought, who does change things in this world? And
we looked around and we thought Madison Avenue. It gets
people to buy cars that are that don't drive well,
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they buy clothes that look ugly, and they eat food
that's bad for them and they're happy about it. And
we thought maybe we could use those techniques to teach
people about the evolution. And so fifty years later, here
we are.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So when you mentioned de evolution, that's sort of presupposes
that there was evolution, that things went up for a
while and then we'll started going down. Do you have
a sort of peek in your mind of when things
like a point where things started to devolve?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
My feeling is that is that humans are the one
unnatural species on the planet. We're the one species out
of touch with nature. Were destroying things, We're constantly taking
nature apart. And all the other species, you know, they're
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I don't think they know what to do about us,
But I think Mother Nature will probably take care of
Divo at one time. I read a book back in
nineteen sixty nine called a Population Bomb, where a sociologist
said that there'll be so many people on planet Earth
by the year twenty fifty that nature will come up
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with a virus to remove humans from the planet and
save planet Earth. So I don't know, maybe that'll happen.
I hope not.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
We're talking with Mark Mothersbaugh, co founder of Devo, and
the documentary that's just come out. It is spectacular, and
I urge everyone not to wait to watch it within
the next twenty four to forty eight hours, especially if
you like the band. If you like the band, if
you sang along with the songs, you're gonna want to
know what was really behind that, because there's a whole
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ice burg under the water that it adds a lot
of a lot of meaning to the to the whole concept,
the whole the whole band. If people would love whipp
It as an upbeat song, if all you knew was
whipp It, you wouldn't know about your angst and the
whole purpose behind the band and the strategy. Early on,
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you weren't even thinking about music, what mediums media?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Were you? You know, planning to.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Work with well.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Jerry and I met we were at Kent State and
we were both visual artists, and so was my brother Bob.
I think my brother Bob in high school started making
short films and we all were working in visuals, but
we also worked in music. I I I since I
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was a teenager, I was certain I was going to
be in a band. I just was obsessed with that.
So but it was after the shootings that Jerry and I.
We'd collaborated on visual projects before that, but then after
the shootings they had shut down our school. So he
started coming over to where my brother and I lived,
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and we were jamming and writing music together and talking
about life on the planet, and that's how it all started.
We've always been kind of interested in multimedia artists. I
think Andy Warhol was a big influence on us because
he was a painter, a photographer, screen printer, fashion designer.
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He threw the best parties in Manhattan. He produced Velvet Underground,
and we kind of liked that where ideas determined what
technology you'd be using to make your art.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, there was another person who was an inspiration to
you because he took pure art like you were making
and made it into popular art. David Bowie had quite
a an effect on.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You, folks.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, we were big fans of David Bowie and kept
an eye on the things he was doing, Like I
really loved Spiders and Mars album, but then he reinvented
himself with every record and we found that really intriguing.
And it just happened that he showed up when we
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were playing in New York City in the seventies seventy seven.
He came to a show we were playing at a
place called Max's Kansas City, and he watched our first set,
and then when after the Sety came backstage and said
he wanted to produce us, and he came out on
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stage with us during our second set, and it was
pretty exciting for a kid that was sleeping in a
Connoline van that.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Night with So you didn't you were at Max's, you
didn't know he was going to be there. He saw
you a set, you probably saw him in the audience.
Then right after that he said, I'm going to introduce
these guys. I'd like him so much, I'm going to
do that, and he did. I And that footage is
in the video and I've never seen that video that
footage before.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Is that the first time that's ever been out that?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, whoever shot it lost it and somebody in New Jersey,
some kid that that was, you know, like, would go
to garage sales, fow these cans of film for sale
at somebody's garage, and he bought them and one of
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them said Divo on it. Two of them said Diva
on it. And he opened them up and he put
him on a projector and it was two different angles
with two different cameras shooting that show. And that wasn't
that long ago. That was in the last five or
six years that that those got discovered and we had,
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by fortune, we had recorded the audio for that show,
so there was no audio on this film, and we
just matched them up together and that's what you got
to see.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well again, have you just joined us? We're with Mac
Mothers Baw, co founder of Devo. You guys were in
on in a conundrum because you wanted to tell everybody
about how the machine was broken and how things were
going wrong. Yet you couldn't get your message about out
about how the machine was broken without using the machine itself.
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So that was that was a tough thing. You You
didn't realize. I saw in the video in that documentary
how important it was to be commercial. But how do
you do what you need to do and be commercial?
How did you work through that?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
That was that was the inspiration of Wall Street. I
was telling you about it. It's like Wes a matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Scored a lot of commercials then after you know, later
on and I I found out you could put subliminal
messages in them. And it was so easy to put
subliminal messages in in commercials, and I got bored with
it after a while. But I somewhere in the warehouse
I have a reel with about thirty different like a
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Hawaiian Punch, Mercedes Benz, a lot of big commercials where
I put things in subliminal messages and like sugar is
bad for you, or we must repeat question authority, things
like that, and so we were always into subversive information.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I hope you can find that reel at some point.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And oh, it's not hard to find.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
I've seen it and release it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I know you're busy and you got to go, but
I want to really tell you how much I appreciate
you taking the time to speak with me. It's a
huge deal, and this is the opportunity for both of
us to urge everyone to see this documentary. I'm telling
you it is really great for somebody who knows nothing
about you, but even better for someone who liked the
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album maybe sars a show and didn't really was not
able to extract the real message. And when you see
the documentary and then listen to the music again, it's
a completely different experience. I want to say thank you
for you know, coming.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
On we're going to be doing some touring. Thank you.
But we're going to be doing some touring this year
with the B fifty two's who We never toured with
them before, played shows with them before, but I like
them and I think we're complimentary to each other. So
we'll be over on the East coast over there.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Okay, if you come to my neighborhood and you need
an MC, have your people contact my people.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It will be sometime in September.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
It starts.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I don't know the exact date, but it'll go to
the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I think, well, thanks again, good for you, and congratulations
on a spectacular documentary that that really is important.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Thank you, Thanks man.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That's Mark Mother's Blaw of Divo Believe it or Not
on WBZ News Radio ten thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
This is fun.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm glad that you're with me. That was quite a thing.
You may not know it, but to talk to Mark
Mother's law of Devo is it good yet? And I
do want to thank some folks that were involved in that.
When I first saw that there was a documentary on them,
I had no idea how important it would be. It's great,
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and I said to myself, you know, there's no reason
I couldn't get one.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Of these folks on. I'll see what I see.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
If anybody I know knows Mark Mothersbaugh, who's the person
you spoke to on wbzsh you heard on WBZ. So
I just want to give some credit to a couple
of people who made that happen. One Mark Hamilton, my
colleague from WBCN who moved out to Los Angeles. I
called him up and said, hey, do you know anyone
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who knows anybody in Devo? You know, just a shot
in the dark. He goes, no, I don't, but oh,
he says, I have a friend Kat Corbett, who is
a broadcaster out there on the West coast.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
She knows him.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I'll call him that happened. And then she called him
or his people, and then Mark's person, the DEVO person's
person called Marita, who is dan Rays executive producer, and
it all happened lightning fast, and usually stuff doesn't work
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out that well. But I just want to thank all
three of those people involved.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So there you go. We don't need to.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Continue on that, but I have about thirty five minutes
and when I was speaking with primary care physician Peter
grinspoonne cannabis expert, something came up. It was unrelated to
cannabis that I thought I might use this next half
hour on. And have you noticed it's hard to find
a PCP these days? Where do you suppose that is?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Number of reasons insurance, working with insurances, difficult, being in practices,
burn the doctors out, they don't get enough time with
the patients. They're whipping through patients and it burns them out.
But another thing is during COVID many PCPs, many physicians
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got PTSD, they really got peteous significant and real PTSD
and just couldn't do it anymore. I spoke with a
colleague of my former colleague of mine today who was
a physician and was in charge of the COVID response
in a major Massachusetts city, and he just it just
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blew him out. And I asked if that was the
were the case with doctor Peter Grinspoon, whom we spoke
with earlier on the program. He said, yep. People have
no idea they they would go into work expecting to
get sick and die. And doctors between themselves were saying
(15:29):
things like, if I die from COVID, you take care
of my kids, and if you do, I'll take care
of your kids.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It was real, and.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It's you know, it's It kind of saddens me when
folks doubt that it was real. Some folks actually doubt
that it existed at all. I just thought it was overblown.
But I guarantee you those others were not the people
working in the on the front lines, in the hospitals
and in the clinics.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
They'd have to watch people die a horrible death all
the time, constantly in fear of catching it themselves dying
and leaving their family without a bread winner or a
dad or a mom, and all they constantly had to
make stressful decisions like this. Let's say this is an emergency.
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Let's say there's a cardiac arist and the patient needs CPR.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What do you do. Do you quickly take.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The time to gown and glove all the time, all
that time the patient's not getting oxygen and getting brain damage.
Or do you just go ahead and do the CPR
to give the patient the best chance while risking getting
CPR yourself. By the way, CPR used to be so
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many compressions and then a breath. It's my understanding that
that is not the case. That the act of doing
the compressions itself will get enough oxygen air with the
oxygen in and out of the lungs, and it's more important.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
To keep the blood flowing.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
And there's also this This is as on a side,
but you might as well learn while we're on the topic.
When you see CPR don on TV, they do these
little pushes that is completely wrong and completely fake. Consider
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you have to squeeze that muscle with the blood in
it hard enough to get that blood to move throughout
the body, So you really really have to do it significantly.
You have to put a significant amount of pressure and
you really should study how to do it right because
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you never know when a loved one or a stranger
might need it. And here's another key key thing. You
can't do it on a soft bed. It will not work.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You need well.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
In the hospital, they'll slide a bedboard under you, which
is a when I was doing it, wouldn't I woodn't board,
so that there's something to press against when you when
you're depressing the cardiac tissue. So if you need to,
if you ever need to do it, and you might,
you know those two things.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And how fast do you do it? While we're on
how to do it?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I'm not an expert, and I need you to
take a course, but this is as I understand it
as a non and no longer an expert on it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How fast do you do it?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You do it about as fast as the Beg's song
Staying Alive. So if you have a good sense of
how fast that song was kind of hum the tune
in your mind, staying Alive, Staying alive, boom boom, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Supposed to be the speed.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But again, take an official course, so go online, watch
an official video with a real doctor and learn how
to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And while you're at it, learn the Heimlich maneuver. You
never know when you need that.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
My brother actually in high school, saved somebody's life with
the Heimlich maneuver. They were in the cafeteria. They they
breathed in a hotball of all things. It's like that
is the worst because it creates such a firm, solid
seal in your airway that that's.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Tough to get out.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You have seconds to save someone's life, to prevent brain damage.
And I will tell you all to remind you that
I do have some expertise on this because I have
done CPR a lot. A little bit more background as
you get to know me, not just this glib former
rock DJ on a talk show. I used to be
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as an operating room technician, as I mentioned the other night.
But prior to getting that job, I worked in the
emergency department. You never know what's coming through the door,
and a lot of times it was a car accident
or perhaps a near drowning, a lot of a lot
of I did CPR a lot. Sometimes it worked, sometimes
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it didn't, but I learned to do it correctly. I
have jack and readingly, you know I don't want to
get way behind the eight ball tonight. So we'll do
this this news break and we'll go right to Jack
and reading.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And for the next half hour.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Since I brought up COVID, I want to know this
is just for the half hour because we have another
guest at ten. Now that you don't hear so much
about COVID, do you still get your COVID shot?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Did you ever get the COVID shot? Did you resent
the COVID shot?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Did you resent that you were pressured to have people
get COVID shots if they were going to go to
public school? You know, in retrospect in the clear light
of day, now that the panic is over, how do
you feel about how it was handled? And how will
you operate in the future.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
For this disease?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Will continue to get the COVID vaccines and when the
next pandemic comes around, will you behave in a differently?
But Jack, whatever you want to ask doesn't matter if
it's about COVID or not. We'll take you Jack and
ready and pretty relaxed. So anybody else six one, seven, two,
five four. And in the ten o'clock hour, we have
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the boss of the Cabot Theater, which has undergone an
extensive and beautiful renovation. And we want to talk about
that gem up on the North Shore and what happened
to it and what's going to be coming up there,
because there are a lot of events, a lot of
events that you may want to attend in this newly renovated,
beautiful gem. And then at excuse me, at eleven, we
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have a horror film star. You see, there's a thing called.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Silver Scream, a horror.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Convention, and we'll tell you all about how that works,
and a lot of horror stars make appearances there. It's
a whole thing. And one of those horror stars is
going to join us and talk about what her life
is like. What's her life like on the road going
from silver screen, you know, from horror convention to horror convention,
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life on the road.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Is it like being a carnival person? We'll find out.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
She's also very talented a singer. She's got music on Spotify,
so that'll be fun too.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And I don't know how long that will last, but
will chat and I'm glad to have you with us.
And Jack will be next to WBZ.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We have kind of an open a few minutes here,
let's talk to Jack and reading about anything you want.
If it'd be cool also to talk about my questions
to you about COVID going forward.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Hi Jack and reading.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Yep, Good evening, Bradley. I spoke to you last week
about the stop sign issue. My wife's a nurse in
a Boston hospital. She and five other nurses got COVID
back early stages of it, and there was so much
disinformation going around. They were told maths didn't work. They
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did work. None of them had masks on, they had
a super spread. Our patient who died the next day.
They all got a huge viral load.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Keep it short.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
My wife spent forty five days at Mass General in
an induced medical coma on a ventilator, and then had
to spend another fifty days at Cambridge Spalding Rehab, just
doing her job. So anyone who thinks COVID wasn't real,
I'd love to have them come and sit down and
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have a chat with me, because it was real and
we live through it. And also doctors do a great job.
Yes the nurses. People don't understand what nurses do. Doctors
diagnose you and they do great work. But nurses heal
you mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally. I think we've got to
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give nurses their credit they're due.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
That's what they have to say, sir.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Oh, I agree with them one hundred percent. So you
what would you say to skeptics, actually, let me change that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
What would you say to.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
The folks who don't want the vaccine, who are anti vaccines?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Personal?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Personal choice? You're an adult, personal choice. I get I
still get a vaccine every year. That's my personal choice. Okay,
if you don't want to, Hey, this America, that's your choice.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Okay, that's pretty straightforward and good. Thanks a lot, Jack,
you bet the great work. Well, thank you and all
the best of your wife.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
We have that evil Oh she's back at work.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh good, good, good good, Yeah, we have Larry and
Dennis Port Hi.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Larry by good evening, Bradley. I tried to call you
last week. I used to live in a corner of
comwals Avan, Brighton, AV and I actually saw Al Cooper
at Hopper's Ferry.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Remember hoppers Ferry.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
First of all, let me a corner of Colm Avan,
Brighton EV. Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So well they call it Packet's Corner.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I think now absolutely back.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, but member Hoppers, Ferry Down and Brighton av.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, now it's the Brighton Music Hall.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I don't know whether it is.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
But anyway, let's talk about COVID. Okay, I got I
got the first two shots.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I did fine.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
I got the first booster November of twenty twenty one.
I was an avid cyclist even at my age. I
was in the early seventies. I said to my wife
from going out for a mountain bike ride, because I
know tonight I might get a little tired. That night,
I got sick, fever shakes. Through the next two weeks,
I developed all of these symptoms that mimicked long COVID headaches,
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muscle pain, joint pain, gastric problems. I lost my sense
of taste and smell.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Now, did you get this from the vaccine or from COVID?
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yes, from the vaccine. I never had COVID.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
How do you know maybe you did have COVID?
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Well, it was when you get the vaccine at ten
o'clock in the morning and then six o'clock at night
that night you get sick. You assume it's the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Okay, that could be but it's also a distinct possibility
you already had it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Well, I won't disagree with that, but I'll continue my
story and I'll tell you why that's not the cake.
My PCP did a whole bunch of viral panels. It
split up a bunch of old stuff hanging in my body,
sent me to an infectious disease. Doctor took a spike protein.
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Blood tests showed that my spike protein counts from the
vaccine was over the top. So he said, your immune
system is in a state of overdrive and you're in
a state of inflammation, and you probably hit COVID. I said, okay,
I never did. Finally found a doctor at the Brigham
and Women's an immologist, who said, there is now a
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blood test. It shows whether the spike proteins are from
the vaccine or from COVID. He does the blood test
bike proteins from the vaccine over the top COVID zero.
I said to him, So does that mean I'm vaccine
ninjured because all medications have side effects, you know, and
just admit it and try to help me. He goes up,
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raises his hands and he says, I can't talk about
the vaccine. So I start looking around his office and
he goes, what are you looking for? He says, I
want to see if there's a camera in here. Big
brothers watching you. You know who big brother is. Yeah,
he says that just can't talk about the vaccine. All
I can tell you is I wouldn't get any more shots.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
More shots.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
I finally did get COVID in match of twenty twenty three,
went to the Brigham Women's COVID Recovery Center. Doctors didn't
know what to do. I found a functional medicine doctor
that was helping me. Unfortunately, on December of last year,
I got COVID again. And every time you get COVID
and you have long COVID, it makes it worse. So
(28:27):
finally at the brighamom Women's one of the directors of
the recovery center said to me, Larry, it has now
shown that some people, for whatever reason, the vaccine causes
long COVID and they don't know why. Oh no, no, yeah,
So for me it didn't work for other people. I'm
not an anti vaccine. I know it saved a lot
(28:49):
of lives. All I can tell you is there was
a documentary on the website React nineteen dot.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Org called follow forgotten.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
It's all of us injured people that they don't want
to talk about. Four years now, I still don't have
any taste for food. So that's my story, and I'm
sticking to it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, that's a legitimate story.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
You sound you have a lot of credibility when you
tell it, and I guess I have to factor that
in when I decide what I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Going to do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Hopefully, Hopefully, if I have been lucky with the other vaccines,
my DNA is such that I'll be lucky.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
With the facial ones.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You know.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
That's the thing. I'm not an antibaction.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I was in the army.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
They gave me twenty vaccines like in one day. Never
had a problem, got all my other vaccines. It's just
this one here should have been left up to.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
The people.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Of their own volition because there was a virus and
some people got it. It's a question that the very
first variant was the most difficulty before the vaccine was out. Anyway,
great to hear your voice. I'm an old DC and listener.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Thanks, Larry, appreciate it. Yeah, okay, you know it's another
thing here.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
We have another fifteen minutes of so the length that
I went to to protect myself seemed ridiculous now, and
sometimes I overshare, but it's kind of fun, right you
want to. I'm not afraid to say dumb stuff I did.
It didn't seem dumb then because we just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We didn't know.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
First of all, I would admit I was on the
vanguard of the toilet paper getters. Yeah, I was walking
along and I heard them say, boy, you better get
some to you know, there was a rush on the
toilet paper. So I happened to be walking by Walgreens
and I went in and got a lot, which I
guess was a good thing. But as it went on,
(30:43):
I was so paralyzed with fear that I didn't want
to go out. So I would have groceries delivered. There
was a company I don't know if it's still in
existence called Boston Organics, so I got a bunch of
organic food delivered. Cool but even beer like I would
never have year delivered to my house before. But I
would get perhaps blue ribbon, because that's who I am,
(31:05):
or who I was. I'd say, can I have three
cases of paps blue ribbon and check this out? You're
gonna say I'm a nut, and maybe I was, but
I would take the cans when I got him and
put them in the shower. So you're all laughing at
me now, and you go ahead, fine, but that's what
you know. And since I worked in the hospital, I'm
(31:27):
extremely germ sensitive as far as I can practically see germs.
I followed, if you have germs and you touch this
and this and then this, my mind follows all it
all away.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So who knows.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I thought, the chances there's some COVID on one of
the tops, are one of these cans? I want to
put my mouth on it. There's a chance risk reward.
It doesn't hurt me to put them in the shower.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And hose them down.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
But now it seems kind of ridiculous, doesn't it. How
would you have changed? Did you do anything back then
like that you wouldn't do in the future?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I have do?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I need to break right up? Rub times flying so fast.
We'll get to Jane and Shrewsbury next. On WBZ, You're.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
On Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Are you still getting COVID vaccines? Is there anything different
you'd do during another cod pandemic? Or some pandemic of
another time. Do you think that the shots should be mandatory?
Let me quick just tell you where I'm at on
that mandatory thing. If if I believed and had a
(32:36):
deep fear that the shot the vaccine had something that
was going to hurt me, I would recoil and be
angry that the government was going to try to make
me get a vaccine that I thought would harm me.
So I get that, And some folks who got their
information from certain places believed that, whether it's true or not,
(33:01):
they believed that. So it's difficult to say if it
should be mandatory. And who's to know, really, I mean,
there are certain certain sources we all know were.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Not accurate. Other sources that try you actually tried to
be accurate, were also wrong. Remember, like I think it.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Was Jack that said in the beginning they were telling
you mask didn't work, and then they told your masker
did work.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Of course, masks help any disease.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
That's an airborne disease, and it is going to be
blocked a little bit if you put a barrier there.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, but even if you still get it, the viral
load you get. Let's say somebody cops in your face
on the tee. If you're wearing a mask and they're
wearing a mask, you might get some virus, but you're
not going to get the full nuclear blast of a
cop full of virus in your face and get the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So you might get a milder version of it. But
you know there was conflicting information. Yes, I get it.
And if you're a person that from your source of
information somehow truly believed that the vaccine was a bad
thing filled with poison, I can see where you'd be
(34:24):
angry at anyone for insinuating that there should be mandatory
all right, quick go to Jane and Shrewsbury.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Hi, Jane, Hi Brodley going on, I got to have
a few ideas about the COVID issue, but I also
wanted to say I thought your Devot interview was really interesting.
I did not understand that band when they came out,
but I'd like to see the documentary. I just finished
Peter Wolfe's memoir by the Way, which was really excellent,
(34:54):
and I let you down the other day with the
recommendation for audiobook regarding spies. So I out of a
couple right after I hung up Daniel Silva, who's great,
and John Lecare you could do audio books of. But
regarding COVID, I don't fault the scientists for being a
little bit back and forth unmasking because nobody knew what
(35:16):
was happening and whether it was a spray in your
breadth and airborne or whatever. So I still think prevention
is the most important thing, and I would go back
to masking if need be. I carry one with me.
I wish Donald Trump would brag about the vaccine, and
I think he did a lot of damage with his
(35:37):
anti masking stance, as if it was somehow not masculine
or presidential. If he hadn't done that, a lot more
people would have masked and a lot of lives would
have been saved. And I've also heard that at the
beginning before everyone had mRNA type vaccines, if they got
COVID and got long COVID, sometimes getting a new vaccine
of mRNA actually helped reverse their long COVID it. And
(36:02):
I don't like that he's allowing RFK Junior to knock
vaccines and stop pregnant women from getting them and kids
and elders, and I don't think it's a personal choice.
I think we have to think about public health, which
is what people used to do. And same thing with
the measles, which RFK Junior has caused a lot of
(36:22):
problems with.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
And there's no.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Religion that forbids vaccine. So the idea that people were saying, oh,
it's my religious belief really didn't hold water. So I
just think we need to be responsible to our neighbors
and to other people.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Jane, that's a great call. I always I like when
you call. You're very reasonable and you sound kind of
upbeat as well. That's nice.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Thanks, appreciate it, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Jane's Shrewsbury. Look at that. Oh geez it's Steven Cambridge.
Steve got like thirty seconds, can you can? Let's get badly.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
I think when there's a that's in short supply, we
should not buy a lot of it because if a
lot of people buy a lot of it, that's what
makes the shortage worse. We should buy just a reasonable amount.
But hoarding always makes the situation worse. In the case
of toilet paper, you know what I kind of.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Hoarded it was alcohol. I mean, I mean rubbing alcohol
I got. I bought like I don't know, a lot
of alcohol and I was wiping everything down. That's a
good point, though, you know, it depends on if you
care about other people or not, if you don't. If
you're a person who says, hey, survival of the fittest,
(37:40):
you buy all the toilet paper. If you're if you
care about your fellow human, then you leave a little
toilet paper somebody else.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
Well said, well said Bradley.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Thanks Tom and Wesva Tom, Tom.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Hell Bradley, great to hear you, bet yeah, can you
hear me? Okay, you can? Okay, Well number one, it's
grad glad to hear you back on the air. It's
Tommy Toons, Tommy decades ago. Yeah, man, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Used to folks.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
We used to work at TGI Fridays from Boston at
the corner of Marlborough and Newberry Streets.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That's how far back we go, like nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
That's right actually with Exeter Newberry. If I want to
really be.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
About it, So it was a short time. What's your bab.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Uh you know, through him in process with my wife
from a foreign country, and they've gone over the film
like a life comb And what really makes me angry
is you're calling up about what happened with COVID. The
(38:51):
Big administration did not require the migrants coming into this
country to get the same vaccinations, including COVID, and your
last two callers ago said you have to think about
other people and be responsible. Well, that was the guilt
trip that I got from white progressive liberals during the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Tom, I don't want to cut you. I tell you,
I want you to have plenty of time to do this.
Are you going to be around at like eleven thirty?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
I'll call them, Okay, I'll call back at eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Thanks, because I only have ten seconds now and I
want you to get a fair shot. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yes, I know he's gone and he has a right
to express his opinion. I want to give him every
opportunity to do that, particularly because Tom generally is very reasonable.
WBC News Radio ten thirty
It's Night Side with Damn Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bradley J for Dan Tonight.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I started out doing college radio in the late seventies,
and when a band called Divo came along, it was
a huge deal. It was different and it was bold.
Devo became a great band and live they blew me away.
They blew me away. But Devo's much more than a band,
And I'd like you to think of Divo as a
(00:29):
group of people who saw the world and saw what
a mess it was and set out to show us
how ridiculous that it had become.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
And while he did.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Kind of infiltrate the mainstream, the message was missed by many,
which is too bad.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
But there's another chance to get it.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
There's an excellent documentary which I've watched three times now,
which is almost too you know, like a disease. I
probably shouldn't watch it that much, but it's excellent and
it gives us a chance to understand what Divo was
really doing. And our guest, it's Mark Mothersback, co founder
a Divo and co creator of Concept of Devolution. He's
(01:10):
here to chat about this excellent documentary and what it
has accomplished.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Thanks for being with us, Mark Hi, thanks for having
me on course.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Now, this documentary is tremendous. You've got to be very
happy with it. Can you tell me what it accomplishes
for you?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Well, you know, it's this is you know, this has
been fifty years since we started the band, and it's
just it gets everything in one place at one time.
So so pretty much it's like just like a relief
to have it finally happen.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
In the beginning, you strongly felt our culture was broken
going the wrong way. What was your initial vision of
what you could change and your vision about how to
go about it.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Well, you know, we were Jerry Casally and I met
at Kent State and we were there in nineteen seventy
during the shootings on May fourth, and we kind of
it changed our whole thoughts. We were we were protesting
the war in Vietnam that that day, and it changed
(02:24):
the way we thought about humans on planet Earth. We
felt like maybe things were evolving rather than evolving. And
we were writing music and we wanted to talk about
that in our music and and we did, and we
we were you know, we we learned from the Kent
(02:47):
State shootings that that revolution is not the way to
change things in this country because if you if you
go out and protest protesters, they just get tired. When
they get tired of you, they just shoot you. So
we thought, who does change things in this world? And
we looked around and we thought Madison Avenue. It gets
people to buy cars that are that don't drive well,
(03:10):
they buy clothes that look ugly, and they eat food
that's bad for them and they're happy about it. And
we thought maybe we could use those techniques to teach
people about the evolution. And so fifty years later, here
we are.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
So when you mentioned de evolution, that's sort of presupposes
that there was evolution, that things went up for a
while and then we'll started going down. Do you have
a sort of peek in your mind of when things
like a point where things started to devolve?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
My feeling is that is that humans are the one
unnatural species on the planet. We're the one species out
of touch with nature. Were destroying things, We're constantly taking
nature apart. And all the other species, you know, they're
(04:04):
I don't think they know what to do about us,
But I think Mother Nature will probably take care of
Divo at one time. I read a book back in
nineteen sixty nine called a Population Bomb, where a sociologist
said that there'll be so many people on planet Earth
by the year twenty fifty that nature will come up
(04:26):
with a virus to remove humans from the planet and
save planet Earth. So I don't know, maybe that'll happen.
I hope not.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
We're talking with Mark Mothersbaugh, co founder of Devo, and
the documentary that's just come out. It is spectacular, and
I urge everyone not to wait to watch it within
the next twenty four to forty eight hours, especially if
you like the band. If you like the band, if
you sang along with the songs, you're gonna want to
know what was really behind that, because there's a whole
(04:59):
ice burg under the water that it adds a lot
of a lot of meaning to the to the whole concept,
the whole the whole band. If people would love whipp
It as an upbeat song, if all you knew was
whipp It, you wouldn't know about your angst and the
whole purpose behind the band and the strategy. Early on,
(05:20):
you weren't even thinking about music, what mediums media?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Were you? You know, planning to.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Work with well.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Jerry and I met we were at Kent State and
we were both visual artists, and so was my brother Bob.
I think my brother Bob in high school started making
short films and we all were working in visuals, but
we also worked in music. I I I since I
(05:48):
was a teenager, I was certain I was going to
be in a band. I just was obsessed with that.
So but it was after the shootings that Jerry and I.
We'd collaborated on visual projects before that, but then after
the shootings they had shut down our school. So he
started coming over to where my brother and I lived,
(06:09):
and we were jamming and writing music together and talking
about life on the planet, and that's how it all started.
We've always been kind of interested in multimedia artists. I
think Andy Warhol was a big influence on us because
he was a painter, a photographer, screen printer, fashion designer.
(06:34):
He threw the best parties in Manhattan. He produced Velvet Underground,
and we kind of liked that where ideas determined what
technology you'd be using to make your art.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, there was another person who was an inspiration to
you because he took pure art like you were making
and made it into popular art. David Bowie had quite
a an effect on.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You, folks.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, we were big fans of David Bowie and kept
an eye on the things he was doing, Like I
really loved Spiders and Mars album, but then he reinvented
himself with every record and we found that really intriguing.
And it just happened that he showed up when we
(07:24):
were playing in New York City in the seventies seventy seven.
He came to a show we were playing at a
place called Max's Kansas City, and he watched our first set,
and then when after the Sety came backstage and said
he wanted to produce us, and he came out on
(07:44):
stage with us during our second set, and it was
pretty exciting for a kid that was sleeping in a
Connoline van that.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Night with So you didn't you were at Max's, you
didn't know he was going to be there. He saw
you a set, you probably saw him in the audience.
Then right after that he said, I'm going to introduce
these guys. I'd like him so much, I'm going to
do that, and he did. I And that footage is
in the video and I've never seen that video that
footage before.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Is that the first time that's ever been out that?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, whoever shot it lost it and somebody in New Jersey,
some kid that that was, you know, like, would go
to garage sales, fow these cans of film for sale
at somebody's garage, and he bought them and one of
(08:36):
them said Divo on it. Two of them said Diva
on it. And he opened them up and he put
him on a projector and it was two different angles
with two different cameras shooting that show. And that wasn't
that long ago. That was in the last five or
six years that that those got discovered and we had,
(08:56):
by fortune, we had recorded the audio for that show,
so there was no audio on this film, and we
just matched them up together and that's what you got
to see.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Well again, have you just joined us? We're with Mac
Mothers Baw, co founder of Devo. You guys were in
on in a conundrum because you wanted to tell everybody
about how the machine was broken and how things were
going wrong. Yet you couldn't get your message about out
about how the machine was broken without using the machine itself.
(09:28):
So that was that was a tough thing. You You
didn't realize. I saw in the video in that documentary
how important it was to be commercial. But how do
you do what you need to do and be commercial?
How did you work through that?
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:44):
That was that was the inspiration of Wall Street. I
was telling you about it. It's like Wes a matter of fact.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Scored a lot of commercials then after you know, later
on and I I found out you could put subliminal
messages in them. And it was so easy to put
subliminal messages in in commercials, and I got bored with
it after a while. But I somewhere in the warehouse
I have a reel with about thirty different like a
(10:18):
Hawaiian Punch, Mercedes Benz, a lot of big commercials where
I put things in subliminal messages and like sugar is
bad for you, or we must repeat question authority, things
like that, and so we were always into subversive information.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I hope you can find that reel at some point.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And oh, it's not hard to find.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
I've seen it and release it.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I know you're busy and you got to go, but
I want to really tell you how much I appreciate
you taking the time to speak with me. It's a
huge deal, and this is the opportunity for both of
us to urge everyone to see this documentary. I'm telling
you it is really great for somebody who knows nothing
about you, but even better for someone who liked the
(11:13):
album maybe sars a show and didn't really was not
able to extract the real message. And when you see
the documentary and then listen to the music again, it's
a completely different experience. I want to say thank you
for you know, coming.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
On we're going to be doing some touring. Thank you.
But we're going to be doing some touring this year
with the B fifty two's who We never toured with
them before, played shows with them before, but I like
them and I think we're complimentary to each other. So
we'll be over on the East coast over there.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Okay, if you come to my neighborhood and you need
an MC, have your people contact my people.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
It will be sometime in September.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
It starts.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I don't know the exact date, but it'll go to
the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I think, well, thanks again, good for you, and congratulations
on a spectacular documentary that that really is important.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Thank you, Thanks man.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
That's Mark Mother's Blaw of Divo Believe it or Not
on WBZ News Radio ten thirty.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
This is fun.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I'm glad that you're with me. That was quite a thing.
You may not know it, but to talk to Mark
Mother's law of Devo is it good yet? And I
do want to thank some folks that were involved in that.
When I first saw that there was a documentary on them,
I had no idea how important it would be. It's great,
(12:47):
and I said to myself, you know, there's no reason
I couldn't get one.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Of these folks on. I'll see what I see.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
If anybody I know knows Mark Mothersbaugh, who's the person
you spoke to on wbzsh you heard on WBZ. So
I just want to give some credit to a couple
of people who made that happen. One Mark Hamilton, my
colleague from WBCN who moved out to Los Angeles. I
called him up and said, hey, do you know anyone
(13:16):
who knows anybody in Devo? You know, just a shot
in the dark. He goes, no, I don't, but oh,
he says, I have a friend Kat Corbett, who is
a broadcaster out there on the West coast.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
She knows him.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I'll call him that happened. And then she called him
or his people, and then Mark's person, the DEVO person's
person called Marita, who is dan Rays executive producer, and
it all happened lightning fast, and usually stuff doesn't work
(13:51):
out that well. But I just want to thank all
three of those people involved.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
So there you go. We don't need to.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Continue on that, but I have about thirty five minutes
and when I was speaking with primary care physician Peter
grinspoonne cannabis expert, something came up. It was unrelated to
cannabis that I thought I might use this next half
hour on. And have you noticed it's hard to find
a PCP these days? Where do you suppose that is?
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Number of reasons insurance, working with insurances, difficult, being in practices,
burn the doctors out, they don't get enough time with
the patients. They're whipping through patients and it burns them out.
But another thing is during COVID many PCPs, many physicians
(14:43):
got PTSD, they really got peteous significant and real PTSD
and just couldn't do it anymore. I spoke with a
colleague of my former colleague of mine today who was
a physician and was in charge of the COVID response
in a major Massachusetts city, and he just it just
(15:07):
blew him out. And I asked if that was the
were the case with doctor Peter Grinspoon, whom we spoke
with earlier on the program. He said, yep. People have
no idea they they would go into work expecting to
get sick and die. And doctors between themselves were saying
(15:29):
things like, if I die from COVID, you take care
of my kids, and if you do, I'll take care
of your kids.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It was real, and.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
It's you know, it's It kind of saddens me when
folks doubt that it was real. Some folks actually doubt
that it existed at all. I just thought it was overblown.
But I guarantee you those others were not the people
working in the on the front lines, in the hospitals
and in the clinics.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
They'd have to watch people die a horrible death all
the time, constantly in fear of catching it themselves dying
and leaving their family without a bread winner or a
dad or a mom, and all they constantly had to
make stressful decisions like this. Let's say this is an emergency.
(16:24):
Let's say there's a cardiac arist and the patient needs CPR.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
What do you do. Do you quickly take.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
The time to gown and glove all the time, all
that time the patient's not getting oxygen and getting brain damage.
Or do you just go ahead and do the CPR
to give the patient the best chance while risking getting
CPR yourself. By the way, CPR used to be so
(16:55):
many compressions and then a breath. It's my understanding that
that is not the case. That the act of doing
the compressions itself will get enough oxygen air with the
oxygen in and out of the lungs, and it's more important.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
To keep the blood flowing.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
And there's also this This is as on a side,
but you might as well learn while we're on the topic.
When you see CPR don on TV, they do these
little pushes that is completely wrong and completely fake. Consider
(17:33):
you have to squeeze that muscle with the blood in
it hard enough to get that blood to move throughout
the body, So you really really have to do it significantly.
You have to put a significant amount of pressure and
you really should study how to do it right because
(17:53):
you never know when a loved one or a stranger
might need it. And here's another key key thing. You
can't do it on a soft bed. It will not work.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
You need well.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
In the hospital, they'll slide a bedboard under you, which
is a when I was doing it, wouldn't I woodn't board,
so that there's something to press against when you when
you're depressing the cardiac tissue. So if you need to,
if you ever need to do it, and you might,
you know those two things.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And how fast do you do it? While we're on
how to do it?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
And I'm not an expert, and I need you to
take a course, but this is as I understand it
as a non and no longer an expert on it.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
How fast do you do it?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
You do it about as fast as the Beg's song
Staying Alive. So if you have a good sense of
how fast that song was kind of hum the tune
in your mind, staying Alive, Staying alive, boom boom, that's.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Supposed to be the speed.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But again, take an official course, so go online, watch
an official video with a real doctor and learn how
to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And while you're at it, learn the Heimlich maneuver. You
never know when you need that.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
My brother actually in high school, saved somebody's life with
the Heimlich maneuver. They were in the cafeteria. They they
breathed in a hotball of all things. It's like that
is the worst because it creates such a firm, solid
seal in your airway that that's.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Tough to get out.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
You have seconds to save someone's life, to prevent brain damage.
And I will tell you all to remind you that
I do have some expertise on this because I have
done CPR a lot. A little bit more background as
you get to know me, not just this glib former
rock DJ on a talk show. I used to be
(19:56):
as an operating room technician, as I mentioned the other night.
But prior to getting that job, I worked in the
emergency department. You never know what's coming through the door,
and a lot of times it was a car accident
or perhaps a near drowning, a lot of a lot
of I did CPR a lot. Sometimes it worked, sometimes
(20:17):
it didn't, but I learned to do it correctly. I
have jack and readingly, you know I don't want to
get way behind the eight ball tonight. So we'll do
this this news break and we'll go right to Jack
and reading.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And for the next half hour.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Since I brought up COVID, I want to know this
is just for the half hour because we have another
guest at ten. Now that you don't hear so much
about COVID, do you still get your COVID shot?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Did you ever get the COVID shot? Did you resent
the COVID shot?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Did you resent that you were pressured to have people
get COVID shots if they were going to go to
public school? You know, in retrospect in the clear light
of day, now that the panic is over, how do
you feel about how it was handled? And how will
you operate in the future.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
For this disease?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Will continue to get the COVID vaccines and when the
next pandemic comes around, will you behave in a differently?
But Jack, whatever you want to ask doesn't matter if
it's about COVID or not. We'll take you Jack and
ready and pretty relaxed. So anybody else six one, seven, two,
five four. And in the ten o'clock hour, we have
(21:31):
the boss of the Cabot Theater, which has undergone an
extensive and beautiful renovation. And we want to talk about
that gem up on the North Shore and what happened
to it and what's going to be coming up there,
because there are a lot of events, a lot of
events that you may want to attend in this newly renovated,
beautiful gem. And then at excuse me, at eleven, we
(21:57):
have a horror film star. You see, there's a thing called.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Silver Scream, a horror.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Convention, and we'll tell you all about how that works,
and a lot of horror stars make appearances there. It's
a whole thing. And one of those horror stars is
going to join us and talk about what her life
is like. What's her life like on the road going
from silver screen, you know, from horror convention to horror convention,
(22:27):
life on the road.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Is it like being a carnival person? We'll find out.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
She's also very talented a singer. She's got music on Spotify,
so that'll be fun too.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
And I don't know how long that will last, but
will chat and I'm glad to have you with us.
And Jack will be next to WBZ.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We have kind of an open a few minutes here,
let's talk to Jack and reading about anything you want.
If it'd be cool also to talk about my questions
to you about COVID going forward.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Hi Jack and reading.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Yep, Good evening, Bradley. I spoke to you last week
about the stop sign issue. My wife's a nurse in
a Boston hospital. She and five other nurses got COVID
back early stages of it, and there was so much
disinformation going around. They were told maths didn't work. They
(23:26):
did work. None of them had masks on, they had
a super spread. Our patient who died the next day.
They all got a huge viral load.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Keep it short.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
My wife spent forty five days at Mass General in
an induced medical coma on a ventilator, and then had
to spend another fifty days at Cambridge Spalding Rehab, just
doing her job. So anyone who thinks COVID wasn't real,
I'd love to have them come and sit down and
(23:59):
have a chat with me, because it was real and
we live through it. And also doctors do a great job.
Yes the nurses. People don't understand what nurses do. Doctors
diagnose you and they do great work. But nurses heal
you mentally, physically, spiritually, emotionally. I think we've got to
(24:22):
give nurses their credit they're due.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
That's what they have to say, sir.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Oh, I agree with them one hundred percent. So you
what would you say to skeptics, actually, let me change that.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
What would you say to.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
The folks who don't want the vaccine, who are anti vaccines?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Personal?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Personal choice? You're an adult, personal choice. I get I
still get a vaccine every year. That's my personal choice. Okay,
if you don't want to, Hey, this America, that's your choice.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Okay, that's pretty straightforward and good. Thanks a lot, Jack,
you bet the great work. Well, thank you and all
the best of your wife.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
We have that evil Oh she's back at work.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh good, good, good good, Yeah, we have Larry and
Dennis Port Hi.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Larry by good evening, Bradley. I tried to call you
last week. I used to live in a corner of
comwals Avan, Brighton, AV and I actually saw Al Cooper
at Hopper's Ferry.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Remember hoppers Ferry.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
First of all, let me a corner of Colm Avan,
Brighton EV. Yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
So well they call it Packet's Corner.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I think now absolutely back.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
Yeah, but member Hoppers, Ferry Down and Brighton av.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, now it's the Brighton Music Hall.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
I don't know whether it is.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
But anyway, let's talk about COVID. Okay, I got I
got the first two shots.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I did fine.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
I got the first booster November of twenty twenty one.
I was an avid cyclist even at my age. I
was in the early seventies. I said to my wife
from going out for a mountain bike ride, because I
know tonight I might get a little tired. That night,
I got sick, fever shakes. Through the next two weeks,
I developed all of these symptoms that mimicked long COVID headaches,
(26:14):
muscle pain, joint pain, gastric problems. I lost my sense
of taste and smell.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Now, did you get this from the vaccine or from COVID?
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yes, from the vaccine. I never had COVID.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
How do you know maybe you did have COVID?
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Well, it was when you get the vaccine at ten
o'clock in the morning and then six o'clock at night
that night you get sick. You assume it's the vaccine.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Okay, that could be but it's also a distinct possibility
you already had it.
Speaker 7 (26:41):
Well, I won't disagree with that, but I'll continue my
story and I'll tell you why that's not the cake.
My PCP did a whole bunch of viral panels. It
split up a bunch of old stuff hanging in my body,
sent me to an infectious disease. Doctor took a spike protein.
(27:01):
Blood tests showed that my spike protein counts from the
vaccine was over the top. So he said, your immune
system is in a state of overdrive and you're in
a state of inflammation, and you probably hit COVID. I said, okay,
I never did. Finally found a doctor at the Brigham
and Women's an immologist, who said, there is now a
(27:22):
blood test. It shows whether the spike proteins are from
the vaccine or from COVID. He does the blood test
bike proteins from the vaccine over the top COVID zero.
I said to him, So does that mean I'm vaccine
ninjured because all medications have side effects, you know, and
just admit it and try to help me. He goes up,
(27:44):
raises his hands and he says, I can't talk about
the vaccine. So I start looking around his office and
he goes, what are you looking for? He says, I
want to see if there's a camera in here. Big
brothers watching you. You know who big brother is. Yeah,
he says that just can't talk about the vaccine. All
I can tell you is I wouldn't get any more shots.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
More shots.
Speaker 7 (28:07):
I finally did get COVID in match of twenty twenty three,
went to the Brigham Women's COVID Recovery Center. Doctors didn't
know what to do. I found a functional medicine doctor
that was helping me. Unfortunately, on December of last year,
I got COVID again. And every time you get COVID
and you have long COVID, it makes it worse. So
(28:27):
finally at the brighamom Women's one of the directors of
the recovery center said to me, Larry, it has now
shown that some people, for whatever reason, the vaccine causes
long COVID and they don't know why. Oh no, no, yeah,
So for me it didn't work for other people. I'm
not an anti vaccine. I know it saved a lot
(28:49):
of lives. All I can tell you is there was
a documentary on the website React nineteen dot.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Org called follow forgotten.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
It's all of us injured people that they don't want
to talk about. Four years now, I still don't have
any taste for food. So that's my story, and I'm
sticking to it.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, that's a legitimate story.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
You sound you have a lot of credibility when you
tell it, and I guess I have to factor that
in when I decide what I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Going to do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Hopefully, Hopefully, if I have been lucky with the other vaccines,
my DNA is such that I'll be lucky.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
With the facial ones.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You know.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
That's the thing. I'm not an antibaction.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
I was in the army.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
They gave me twenty vaccines like in one day. Never
had a problem, got all my other vaccines. It's just
this one here should have been left up to.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
The people.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Of their own volition because there was a virus and
some people got it. It's a question that the very
first variant was the most difficulty before the vaccine was out. Anyway,
great to hear your voice. I'm an old DC and listener.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Thanks, Larry, appreciate it. Yeah, okay, you know it's another
thing here.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
We have another fifteen minutes of so the length that
I went to to protect myself seemed ridiculous now, and
sometimes I overshare, but it's kind of fun, right you
want to. I'm not afraid to say dumb stuff I did.
It didn't seem dumb then because we just didn't know.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
We didn't know.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
First of all, I would admit I was on the
vanguard of the toilet paper getters. Yeah, I was walking
along and I heard them say, boy, you better get
some to you know, there was a rush on the
toilet paper. So I happened to be walking by Walgreens
and I went in and got a lot, which I
guess was a good thing. But as it went on,
(30:43):
I was so paralyzed with fear that I didn't want
to go out. So I would have groceries delivered. There
was a company I don't know if it's still in
existence called Boston Organics, so I got a bunch of
organic food delivered. Cool but even beer like I would
never have year delivered to my house before. But I
would get perhaps blue ribbon, because that's who I am,
(31:05):
or who I was. I'd say, can I have three
cases of paps blue ribbon and check this out? You're
gonna say I'm a nut, and maybe I was, but
I would take the cans when I got him and
put them in the shower. So you're all laughing at
me now, and you go ahead, fine, but that's what
you know. And since I worked in the hospital, I'm
(31:27):
extremely germ sensitive as far as I can practically see germs.
I followed, if you have germs and you touch this
and this and then this, my mind follows all it
all away.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
So who knows.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I thought, the chances there's some COVID on one of
the tops, are one of these cans? I want to
put my mouth on it. There's a chance risk reward.
It doesn't hurt me to put them in the shower.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
And hose them down.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
But now it seems kind of ridiculous, doesn't it. How
would you have changed? Did you do anything back then
like that you wouldn't do in the future?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I have do?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I need to break right up? Rub times flying so fast.
We'll get to Jane and Shrewsbury next. On WBZ, You're.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
On Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Are you still getting COVID vaccines? Is there anything different
you'd do during another cod pandemic? Or some pandemic of
another time. Do you think that the shots should be mandatory?
Let me quick just tell you where I'm at on
that mandatory thing. If if I believed and had a
(32:36):
deep fear that the shot the vaccine had something that
was going to hurt me, I would recoil and be
angry that the government was going to try to make
me get a vaccine that I thought would harm me.
So I get that, And some folks who got their
information from certain places believed that, whether it's true or not,
(33:01):
they believed that. So it's difficult to say if it
should be mandatory. And who's to know, really, I mean,
there are certain certain sources we all know were.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Not accurate. Other sources that try you actually tried to
be accurate, were also wrong. Remember, like I think it.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Was Jack that said in the beginning they were telling
you mask didn't work, and then they told your masker
did work.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Of course, masks help any disease.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
That's an airborne disease, and it is going to be
blocked a little bit if you put a barrier there.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
No, but even if you still get it, the viral
load you get. Let's say somebody cops in your face
on the tee. If you're wearing a mask and they're
wearing a mask, you might get some virus, but you're
not going to get the full nuclear blast of a
cop full of virus in your face and get the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So you might get a milder version of it. But
you know there was conflicting information. Yes, I get it.
And if you're a person that from your source of
information somehow truly believed that the vaccine was a bad
thing filled with poison, I can see where you'd be
(34:24):
angry at anyone for insinuating that there should be mandatory
all right, quick go to Jane and Shrewsbury.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
Hi, Jane, Hi Brodley going on, I got to have
a few ideas about the COVID issue, but I also
wanted to say I thought your Devot interview was really interesting.
I did not understand that band when they came out,
but I'd like to see the documentary. I just finished
Peter Wolfe's memoir by the Way, which was really excellent,
(34:54):
and I let you down the other day with the
recommendation for audiobook regarding spies. So I out of a
couple right after I hung up Daniel Silva, who's great,
and John Lecare you could do audio books of. But
regarding COVID, I don't fault the scientists for being a
little bit back and forth unmasking because nobody knew what
(35:16):
was happening and whether it was a spray in your
breadth and airborne or whatever. So I still think prevention
is the most important thing, and I would go back
to masking if need be. I carry one with me.
I wish Donald Trump would brag about the vaccine, and
I think he did a lot of damage with his
(35:37):
anti masking stance, as if it was somehow not masculine
or presidential. If he hadn't done that, a lot more
people would have masked and a lot of lives would
have been saved. And I've also heard that at the
beginning before everyone had mRNA type vaccines, if they got
COVID and got long COVID, sometimes getting a new vaccine
of mRNA actually helped reverse their long COVID it. And
(36:02):
I don't like that he's allowing RFK Junior to knock
vaccines and stop pregnant women from getting them and kids
and elders, and I don't think it's a personal choice.
I think we have to think about public health, which
is what people used to do. And same thing with
the measles, which RFK Junior has caused a lot of
(36:22):
problems with.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
And there's no.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Religion that forbids vaccine. So the idea that people were saying, oh,
it's my religious belief really didn't hold water. So I
just think we need to be responsible to our neighbors
and to other people.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Jane, that's a great call. I always I like when
you call. You're very reasonable and you sound kind of
upbeat as well. That's nice.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Thanks, appreciate it, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Jane's Shrewsbury. Look at that. Oh geez it's Steven Cambridge.
Steve got like thirty seconds, can you can? Let's get badly.
Speaker 9 (36:58):
I think when there's a that's in short supply, we
should not buy a lot of it because if a
lot of people buy a lot of it, that's what
makes the shortage worse. We should buy just a reasonable amount.
But hoarding always makes the situation worse. In the case
of toilet paper, you know what I kind of.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Hoarded it was alcohol. I mean, I mean rubbing alcohol
I got. I bought like I don't know, a lot
of alcohol and I was wiping everything down. That's a
good point, though, you know, it depends on if you
care about other people or not, if you don't. If
you're a person who says, hey, survival of the fittest,
(37:40):
you buy all the toilet paper. If you're if you
care about your fellow human, then you leave a little
toilet paper somebody else.
Speaker 9 (37:47):
Well said, well said Bradley.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Thanks Tom and Wesva Tom, Tom.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Hell Bradley, great to hear you, bet yeah, can you
hear me? Okay, you can? Okay, Well number one, it's
grad glad to hear you back on the air. It's
Tommy Toons, Tommy decades ago. Yeah, man, Yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Used to folks.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
We used to work at TGI Fridays from Boston at
the corner of Marlborough and Newberry Streets.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That's how far back we go, like nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
That's right actually with Exeter Newberry. If I want to
really be.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
About it, So it was a short time. What's your bab.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Uh you know, through him in process with my wife
from a foreign country, and they've gone over the film
like a life comb And what really makes me angry
is you're calling up about what happened with COVID. The
(38:51):
Big administration did not require the migrants coming into this
country to get the same vaccinations, including COVID, and your
last two callers ago said you have to think about
other people and be responsible. Well, that was the guilt
trip that I got from white progressive liberals during the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Tom, I don't want to cut you. I tell you,
I want you to have plenty of time to do this.
Are you going to be around at like eleven thirty?
Speaker 5 (39:22):
I'll call them, Okay, I'll call back at eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Thanks, because I only have ten seconds now and I
want you to get a fair shot. Thanks.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yes, I know he's gone and he has a right
to express his opinion. I want to give him every
opportunity to do that, particularly because Tom generally is very reasonable.
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