February 28, 2025 • 40 mins
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with President Trump and Vice President Vance in the Oval Office where the conversation turned into a fiery exchange. The White House meeting was supposed to focus on a deal over Ukraine’s rare earth minerals but quickly took a turn when VP Vance said the “path to peace between Russia and Ukraine is diplomacy.” The Ukrainian president appeared to not like that statement, challenging Vance and the heated exchange went on from there where at one point Trump called Zelenskyy “disrespectful” telling him he “does not have any cards right now.” We break down this fiery exchange and how it might affect America’s foreign policy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Costin's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, if you were watching television today around I guess noontime,
little afternoon time, twelve thirty range, you saw I think
one of the most interesting live television confrontations that I
have ever seen. And I'm not overstating it, as many
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of us, I think knew today. The President of Ukraine,
Vladimir Zelensky, went to the White House to meet with
President Trump. Uh. And there's and of course they each
have their own contingent that that their their their their staff,
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their team. And there was a situation where you had
President Trump and Vice President Advance and Secretary of State
Marco Rubio and others from the National Security team in
the Oval Office, and I'm sure that President Zelensky had
his counterparts. And the whole idea was they were going
to have a president Zelensky arrived at the White House
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and there were pictures of him going in, and then
they had what generally is called a spray, which means
the net photographers and reporters are there and generally there's
a little bit of small talk and normally when the
small talk has ended, they were supposed to go to
another room and sign an agreement been rumored to be
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all set all week, whereby the United States would receive
a certain percentage of very important minerals that can be
used in electronics as well as some oil and gas
they have. Apparently a lot of Ukraine is fortunate to
have a lot of these missile these minerals also has
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a lot of missiles. By the way, Freudian slipped there. Anyway,
as the meeting began with just the niceties, like to
welcome in nice words back and forth, and then there
started some conversation normally, normally when the niceties are done,
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where the President welcomes the visitor, and the visitor acknowledges
and appreciates the invitation and the honor of being at
the White House, and they hope that there will have
a productive meeting. They use all the language that have heard.
It started to get into a conversation that involved Vice
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President Vance and President Zelenski. Now I'm going to play it.
I will play it for you in four segments. It's
only about nine minutes, but it is. It's amazing audio
and it's amazing video. I think that at the end,
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both the White House and President Zelensky we're playing to
their perceived basis. I think it was a disastrous confrontation.
Will it be eventually resettled and resurrected and reframed. I
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hope so, I hope so. But again I don't want
to in any way shape influence your thoughts on this
if you haven't seen it. But picture of the scene again,
the the Oval Office is set up, and President Trump,
President Zelensky, and Vice President Vance and you recognize their voice.
(04:00):
So Rob, let's start off with cut nineteen. This is
part one.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So look, for four years in the United States of America,
we had a president who stood up at press conferences
and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and then Putin invaded
Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The
path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe
engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway of Joe Biden,
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of thumping our chest and pretending that the President of
the United States's words mattered more than the President of
the United States's actions. What makes America a good country
is America engaging in diplomacy. That's what President Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Can I ask you sure?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, okay, So he occupied it our big parts of Ukraine,
parts of East and Crimea. So he occupied it on
twenty fourteen. So during lots of you years. So I'm
not speaking about Biden, but those times was Obama, then
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President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now the
President Trump and God bless now President Trump will stop him.
But during twenty fifteen, nobody stopped him.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He just occupied and took He killed people.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You know what the contact twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Fifteen, twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Fourty, so he kills that here, yeah, by the second right, yes,
But during twenty fourteen till twenty twenty two, what the
situation the same that people have been dying on the
contact line.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Nobody stopped him.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
You know that we had conversations with him, a lot
of conversations, my the lateral conversation, and we signed with him,
me like a new president. In twenty nineteen, I signed
with him the deal I signed with him. Macron and
mayor kill we signed ceasefire, ceasefire. All of them told
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me that he will never go. We signed him with
guess contract. Guess contract, yes, but after that he broken
this is fire. He killed a people and he didn't
exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he
didn't do it. What kind of diplomacy gg us became involved?
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What what do you what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
end the destruction of your country. But mister President, mister President,
with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come
into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in
front of the American media. Right now, you guys are
going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because
you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president
for trying to bring it into this conflict.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Into Ukraine that you say, what problems we have.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I have been to come. I've actually I've actually watched
and seen the stories, and I know what happens is
you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour,
mister president.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So as you can see, it's getting very heated between J. D. Vance,
Vice President Vance Uh and Zolensky. Now Zolensky keeps referring
to him, and I should have set that up for you,
and I apologize. The hymn he's referring to, obviously is
Vladimir Putin, because he is convinced that you know that
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Putin is as as most of us are. Uh. Is
the aggressor here, a bad guy.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And Zolensky is trying to fight and and hold off Putin. Now,
the point Vance just tries to make is, Look, you're
here at the in the White House. This this could
have uh been been talked about. There was some there
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was some bad set up here. They should have been
set up so that everybody understood that after the uh,
the warm wishes and the greetings and the welcomes ended,
the media should have been escorted out. Actually, in the
next bite, the Vice President makes that suggestion, and President
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Trump says, no, no, no, it's good for people to
see this.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I think that's a mistake that that that our
president made. Rob Let's play cut nineteen eight, Part two.
We're just picking up where we left off.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Are Do you disagree that you've had problems bringing people
in your military hap. Do you think that respectful hold
On's to come to the Oval Office of the United
States of America and attack the administration that is trying
to prevent the destruction of your country?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning. Sure,
hills to wall during the war. Everybody has problems, even you.
But you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but
you will feel it in the fusion. God blessed, You
don't know, God blessed, you're not blessed, You're not.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying
to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're gonna feel,
because you're in no position.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
To dictate that.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Remember this, you're in no position to dictate what we're
gonna feel. We're gonna feel.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Very good, feel We're gonna.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Feel very good and very strong. You're right now not
in a very good position. You've allowed you to be
in a pretty bad position. That happens to be right.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
About from the beginning of the war.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Not in a good position. You don't have the cards
right now with us. You start having right now.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You don't know your planes.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
You're gambling with the lives and millions of people. You're
gambling with world War three. You're gambling with world War three.
And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country,
this country that's back to you. Far more than a
lot of people said.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
They should have have you said, thank you once this
entire meeting, No, in this entire media you said thank you.
You went to Pennsylvania and campaign for the opposition in October,
offers some words of appreciation for the United States of
America and the president who's trying to save your country.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Please, you're saying that if you will, speak very loudly
about the war.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
He's not speaking loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country
is in big trouble. No, No, You've done a lot
of talking. Your country is in big trouble. I know
you're not winning. You're not winning this.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So again, I don't think this is helpful for either
the United States or for uh President Zelensky to air
this laundry in public. If you will. There was a
point that I think my producer may have cut out
where at one point Vance tries to calm the situation
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and says something about we shouldn't be doing this, and
I believe that President Trump at that point said no, no, no,
let this go. This is important for people to say.
Now again that's Donald Trump saying, Okay, we're gonna be
We're going to be more transparent. But obviously there's bad
blood here. There's bad blood. If you remember, the first
impeachment of Donald Trump that occurred back at the towards
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the end of his first term, revolved around a phone
call that he had had with then President Zelensky of Ukraine.
So keep what you have in mind here. We're going
to take a quick break and I come back. We're
going to play two more sets of this interchange. And
I think all of you know at this point that
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the deal was never signed, whether it can be again revived, resurrected,
whatever you want to know talk about I don't know.
In the meantime, we're going to talk and get your
reaction to how this all went down. I think, and
I think this was a disastrous event for our country, uh,
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and for the Trump administration. I think President Trump feels
it plays well to his space. We'll get to all
of this, I promise, and I want your reaction. If
you think that that Zelensky uh started it, you can
take whatever position you want. I must give you mine.
I hope you respect that. And then we'll play two
more parts of this and you will have heard pretty
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much in its entirety, the entire the entirety of this
exchange was lasted about about just a little short of
ten minutes, we'll be back on nights Side. The only
lines that are open right now if you want to
get in is six one, seven, nine three thirty. The
others have already filled up. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
By the way, if you were calling during that break
and the lines were not being answered, there was we
had a technical issue. So please feel free to call
that number that I gave uh in. It is now
set and capable of taking your calls. I apologize that
was my mistake. Six one, seven, nine, three ten thirty.
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Light it up. Rob is there ready to set you up,
and we're going to be getting to phone calls very quickly,
So if you want to get in, let's get in. Okay.
Now we're going to go to the conversation, the discussion,
the argument continues. This is part three, Rob, Please play
cut nineteen B.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
You have a damn good chance of coming out okay.
Because of the President.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We're staying Yawa Country, staying strong. From the very beginning
of the war, we've been alone and we are thankle
I said, thanks, you haven't been.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
We gave you, through this stupid president, three hundred and
fifty billion dollars. Will we gave your military equipment. You
you've met, are brave, but they had to use our
military one of If you didn't have our military equipment,
I mean, you didn't have our military equipment, this war
would have been over in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Okay, I heard it from Putin in three days. This
is something maybe less in two weeks. Of course.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
Yeah, it's going to be a very hard thing to
do business like this.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I tell you, they thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I accept it, except that they're accept the American except.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That there are disagreements, and let's go litigate those disagreements
rather than trying to fight it out in the American media.
When you're wrong, we know that you're wrong, and you see.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
I think it's good for the American people to see
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I think it's very important.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
That's why I kept this going so long. You have
to be thankful. You don't have the cards. You're buried there,
your people that die. You're running low on soldiers. You're
running low on soldiers. It would be a damn good thing.
And then you then you tell us I don't want
to cease fire. I don't want to cease fire. I
want to go and I wanted this. Look, if you
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could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you, you take it.
So the bullets stopped flying, and your meant stuff courting kills.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Course, we want to stow the war.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
But they're saying you don't want to say. I said
to you want to see guarantee because you'll get a
ceasefire faster than anygree.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Let's cow were people about fire what they see?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
That wasn't with me. That wasn't with me.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
That was with a guy named Biden, who was not
a smart person. That was your That was with excuse me.
That was with Obama, who gave you sheets and I
gave you javelins. I gave you the javelins to take
out all those tanks. Obama gave you sheets. In fact,
the statement is Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins.
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You got to be more thankful because let me tell you, you
don't have the cards. With us, you have the cards,
but without us, you don't have any cards.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And the cards the President is talking about, obviously, is
our investment in the Ukrainian minerals by the way the
javelins that the President was referring to with javelin missiles. Okay,
now this there's one more part here, what you want
to play for you, which Putin is trying to answer questions.
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He's pretty much outnumbered. Trump has come is going at him.
You can tell that there's bad blood, bad blood Donald
Trump's blood, bad blood towards Joe Biden and towards Vladimir Zelensky. Uh.
And then there's a question that is asked by a reporter.
I still don't know who asked the question. And the
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reporter almost seems to be jumping in, taking Zelenski off
the hook, asking well, what if there's a ceasefire in
Russia were to break the ceasefire? And the President responds,
as he often does, this has cut nineteen c rub
What are you saying?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
She's asking, what if Russia breaks the ceasefire?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
What if they what if anything? What if the bomb
drops on your head right now? Okay, what if they
broke it? I don't know they broke it with Biden
because Biden they didn't respect him, they didn't respect Obama.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
The spect me.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of
a lot with me. He went through a phony witch
hunt where they used him in Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia.
You ever hear of that deal? There was a phony.
That was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, scam, Hillary Clinton,
Shifty Adam Schiff. It was a Democrat scam and he
had to go through that, and he did go through it.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We didn't end up in a war.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
And he went through it. He was accused of all
that stuff. He had nothing to do with it. It came
out of Hunter Biden's bathroom. It came out of Hunter
Biden's bedroom. It was disgusting. And then they said, oh oh,
the laptop from Hell was made by Russia, the fifty
one agents. The whole thing was a scam and he
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had to put up with that. He was being accused
of all that stuff. All I can say is this,
he might have broken deals with Obama and Bush, and
he might have broken them with Biden.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
He did, maybe maybe he did.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
I don't know what happened, but he didn't break him
with me. He wants to make a deal. I don't
know if you can make a deal. The problem is
I've empowered you to be a tough guy and I
don't think you'd be a tough guy without the United States,
and your people are very brave.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
But you're either going to make a deal or we're out.
And if we're out, you'll fight it out. I don't
think it's gonna be pretty, but you'll fight it out.
But you don't have the cards. But once we signed
that deal, you're in a much better position.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
But you're not acting at all thankful. And that's not
a nice thing. I'll be honest, that's not a nice thing.
All right, I think we've seen enough.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Huh?
Speaker 7 (18:40):
This is gonna be great television.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I will say that it was interesting, that's for sure. Now.
The President of the White House released a statement shortly
after this meeting broke up. Meeting never really occurred in
which President Trump was quoted at Donald Trump, we had
a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much
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was learned that could never be understood without conversation under
such fire and pressure. Whether it should have been public,
in my opinion, is quite a different story. It's amazing
what comes out through emotion. And I've determined that President
Zelensky is not ready for peace if America is involved,
because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage
in negotiations. I don't want advantage. I want peace. He
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disrespected the United States and it's cherished Oval office. He
can come back when he is ready for peace. So
we're going to go to break phone lines are full,
hold off dialing. We'll do this probably for the rest
of the night, if the interest holds. I think I
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think this is a day that President Trump's bitterness towards
Joe Biden and towards the twenty twenty election went center
stage when it was a day in which they should
have worked to have convinced Zolensky, out of sight of cameras,
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that he had come to Washington to sign the deal.
Signed the deal, that would have been a predicate to
a secondary conversation with Putin about ceasefire. Obviously, Zolensky has
a very different view. He was playing to his country
and President Trump was playing to his base and JD. Vance.
I think when he tried to calm it down and
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say let's take it out of the range of cameras,
the President dismissed that out of sight and I think
that is where it really really went off. The rails.
Your points of view are more important than mine because
there are more points of view from you than me,
And I want to hear. Not looking to argue with you,
I'd love to hear what you think of this. Tell
me where you're coming from. If you're a Trump supporter
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and you love it, let me know. If you're a
Trump supporter and you have some concerns about it, let
me know. Back on Night Side, the lines are full.
Right now, we'll get everyone will get going right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Let's go to the Phone's gonna go to Rashid. Rashid,
you were first this hour on Night Side. I know
that you support President Trump. I don't think that was
a good look today. Love to know what you think.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Well, Dan, I've been very outspoken about the war in Ukraine,
and I believe that the war in Ukraine is a
Slavic disagreement about borders that has nothing to do with
the United States of America. I think that President Zelinsky
has been very disrespectful to the United States of America.
We have provided him with, as President Trump mentioned, over
three hundred billion dollars We've provided him with military assistance,
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and you know, we want to ender the war, and
it seems like the Russians are more open to that.
And President Zelenski and the European Union in NATO isn't
they for some reason want to continue hostilities with Russia,
which I don't think is in anybody's best interest. I
think that the Cold War days are over. We are
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in a new error. The enemy is China, which Russia
has built very close bond with due to the isolation
of sanctions and other things. So I think that the
handling of President Zelenski by Vice President Advanced President Trump
was refreshing. It was great, And you know, I'm happy
that the that the the world got to see because
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I think that everybody thinks good.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I think I think it kind of looked I think
it kind of looked like a street fight at two
on one. So but let me ask you this, where
do we go from here? How do you how do
you see this playing out in the next few days
or the next few weeks, for the next few months.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Well, I see what I foresee is I think that
the United States has already pulled out of assisting Ukraine
with its energy Grid. I think that the aid will stop,
the weapons stole will stop, and I think that they're
going to be left on their own devices, and if
they wish to fight Russia to their death, that is
on their choice. That's their choice. I don't I think
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that's just guy going to be how it plays out,
or President Zelensky comes back to the table and makes
a deal. It's either one of the two.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I think I which she thinks more likely.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I don't know. I think that the well, I think
that it's going to be a war of Russia. I
think the Europeans and NATO want to go to warf Russia,
and I think we're going to pull out of NATO
and we're gonna let them fight if that's what they wish.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't think we're gonna I don't think we're going
to pull out of NATO. But but if if we do,
let's let's you know, let's keep let's keep in touch.
Rashid a interesting analysis. I thank you for your carl
as always, thank you, my friend, Thank you, Dan Talks.
Let me go to Bill and Danvers. Bill is also
a supporter of Donald Trump. I think Bill, your reaction
to this today.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
Yeah, well, I I think it's a launch for the world. Uh,
you know Zelensky, I mean he is analyzing. I don't
know if you said Graham tonight, I did Lise Graham,
who's a hawk, as you know, he said he was
never more proud of the president for sticking up for
the country. So I don't think Zolensky got any more
allies in Congress, Uh, I said.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I said that. I thought they both played to their base.
But again, you you now listen to it. At least
you know who do you who do you think benefits?
Speaker 10 (24:24):
I watched, I watched the whole Well, I mean I
think it's a loss for Zolensky long term. I mean, uh,
you know, he did have pictures of the destruction, and
he's absolutely right the connage and the war and what's
going on, and but you know, at some point you
get to say, hey, we got to try something. Now
he doesn't want to cease fire because they violated, that's fine,
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but at least if he ever sees fire, you guys
may be living another week or two. Okay, you know
you don't keep losing guys. If the average guy is
forty three in the line.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Now, let me run this one by, let me run.
You're a good historian. Yeah, what would you do if
I said to you? Donald Trump looked and sounded more
like Neville Chamberlain today than he did like Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
I don't really, Uh, I don't. I don't see that.
I think he wants to.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Uh well, can I tell you why I ask you
that question?
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, Chamberlain came back after his meeting with Hitler and said,
we have peace I know.
Speaker 10 (25:31):
And yeah, he said peace in our time exactly mean.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And Ronald Reagan went to Berlin and said, mister Gorbachev,
tear down this wall.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
Well well, well yeah, but in that case, we had
the height of the Cold War, we had the forces there,
and we were ready to use it. The question is
for Americans, and I think if you look at the
election results most elections and people in the country, palmby
wants some resolution. Okay, if you really want to go
in Okay, then the country has to get the guy
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that we're going to have to draft and we're gonna
have to go win big with NATO. And that's fine
if the country wants it.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't think anyone wants I agree with you on
that point, Bill, I'm totally great. I don't think anyone
wants US troops in the ground war.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
Nobody does, no. And I think he's trying to find
a medium ground to an extent, okay, to try to
bring about something the Trump stuff, okay, And whether it
works or not, who knows. But by going home is
going to be in trouble. He's gonna I don't know
what's gonna happen to the guy. I mean, he's gonna
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be in the bunk up, like maybe in nineteen forty five,
when he's surrounded. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, but I don't want to compare. I think it's
unfair to compare Zelinsky Hitler. I think, to be honest with.
Speaker 10 (26:45):
You, I know that I mean, yeah, but no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You know's been can you? Zilinsky's been courageous. And I
think that that Trump realizes that he's in a spot now.
And I'm not saying that Trump could not have given
him this advice privately, but to do it publicly makes
it tough for Zelensky to come back with his tail
between his legs. We'll see what happens. Bill, great analysis,
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Thank you very much, yep, great, thank you. Right to you, Sue,
good night. Let me go to Dave in Boston. Dave,
you were next on NIGHTSI go.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
Right ahead, by Dan, I think I'm going to have
to for the first time, oh maybe for the second time,
I agree with you. The world got to see what did.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You agree with me on? Before? Pray? Tell I no problem,
no problem, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
But the world got to see the type of buffoon,
a thug, and a just insane man that this guy
Trump is. It was embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It was I think it. I think the language I
got to read. I gotta be honest with you that
I tried to tamp down the language in terms of
what people called Biden. I don't I think that was
Donald Trump reality. I think that in that he has
this this recollection of twenty twenty, the bitterness kind of
bubbled up. But I also think as a negotiator, uh
and as early he was, he was in his position
(28:08):
of being the negotiated there and he wasn't negoting kindly.
He was basically saying, hey, look here's the deal, take
her to leave it. That's what I think. But call
him insane, I don't think he's insane.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
I do uh and and and you know when when
when you say, you know, A do.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You think jd Vance was Do you think jd Vance
was insane or is insane?
Speaker 10 (28:29):
I think I think that jd Vance was the one
who who set the torch off, who set the fire off?
You know, the same jd Vance who called Trump Hitler,
the same guy.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
It's it's it's well, that's that was embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
People are people. Here's the thing. People do have right
to change your minds. What what my concern is that
when people called him on this show and called Joe
Biden all sorts of names, and I always stepped in
and said, you know, I think that's a little far
to call. If you wanted to hold Donald Trump today
boigerant a bully, I don't have a problem with that.
(29:06):
But he is he is because okay, well, okay, once
you make your point I want to I wanted to.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
You can agree to disagree. You can agree to disagree
with Joe Biden. But at least he appeared again, A
big word appeared. He appeared to be a decent man.
This guy today is not a decent man. He tried
to embarrass Uh. The as a president on the national stage.
It's an embarrassment for America to even have this guy
(29:35):
in the front office.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I'm assuming you didn't vote for him.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
No, never.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
All I'm just saying to you, Dave, is you undercut
your legitimate criticism.
Speaker 10 (29:44):
In my opinion, only to you, Dan, I mean I
under cut it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You undercut it. You undercut it to people, You undercut
it to people who have a reasonable point of view.
I have criticized I don't know if you've listened to
this hour, but I have.
Speaker 10 (30:04):
From criticize.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I've criticized him for years, and I certainly criticized him
this hour. And I think you wanted to cut the
legitimacy of your your argument, that's all. I don't know
you you bring anyone over to your side, But by
calling someone in saying that's easy, that's like saying you
know or you know Biden most demented or whatever. Anyway,
I'm gonna move on. You got it all in. You
(30:27):
got more time than the other callers, and I thank
you for the call. Call anytime and we can have
a conversation. But I just think that it doesn't do
anyone any good to invoke uh, you know, medical diagnoses. Uh,
if you're not someone qualified to make a medical diagnoses.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I hate it for to be fair, but that's what
I'm all about. Back on night Side right after this,
more calls.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Now back to Ray Live from the Window World Night
Sense Studios ONBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Let's try to get as many folks in as we can.
Let me go Yana. Okay, Yanna, if you're there, great,
If you're not going to put you on hold, you
talk to Yanna. She's got her car radio blast to
put her on hold. Let me go to Sue in Newbury. Sue,
you were next on Nightsiger, right ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:20):
Uh, yeah, I guess I. I'm definitely not for mister Trump.
I didn't vote for him, I'll be very honest, sure,
and I would never vote for somebody like that. He's
a convicted felon. If that was you, if that was
my husband, you'd be behind bars right now.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
He's convicted of a felon. He was convicted in a
civil case. But we'll let that go. He's not a
convicted fellaon. Okay, go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
Well, I'm just trying to keep.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It just trying to keep it accurate. It's like you
telling me he was he was a senator for New Mexico.
That would be not true either. But go ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
But there's a lot of things that he has done
that for me, no question is definitely questionable. And I
know that you were critical of the man that called
a couple minutes ago saying that he was deranged or whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Where he was he used the word insane. And when
people called about Joe Biden and made comments about Biden
that where I thought below the belt, I called him
on it the same way. I don't think Trump's insane.
I think that that he didn't handle it well today,
and I think that he probably that all of that
sort of bile boiled up about the twenty twenty and
all of that sort But I just don't think he's Again,
(32:33):
I'm trying to I'm trying to keep it at a level,
and I want to hear what you have to say,
so let me not interrupt. You go right ahead, right.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
I think I think a couple of things I'd like
to say is that you know, you talk about respect,
and he was saying how disrespectful that he the president
was from Ukraine today, and and and Trump himself, I believe,
and I think that most people, if they're intelligent, would
(33:01):
feel that he was not respectful either at all. So
it those two ways. And and speaking of calling people names,
I don't think during Trump's campaign, I don't think there
was ever a president that I remember that ran that
called more people names or made fun of mentally ill
(33:21):
people or those kind of things. And the thing that
really bothers me too is I don't know where.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm trying to believe. I'm trying to focus. I'm trying
to get your back focused.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
I don't know where this war is going to go.
I don't know where this war is going to go.
But I know that Trump is for for me. Trump
can't go into a meeting like he went into today
and just simply take over the whole conversation. And which
is what he did. You replay all those all those minutes,
(33:53):
and I guarantee if somebody, there's probably somebody out there
that's counting the words that were said between the two presidents,
and I guarantee that Trump, by far, we went out
on the amount of words. Because Trump always always interrupts people.
He never allows people to get out what they're trying
to say. He interrupts, and Trump himself cannot talk very
(34:17):
seldom can he talk in a complete sentence, and he
does not like to answer questions that are posed to him.
That's all I'm going to say. That's very disrespectful. So
that's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
That's fine. Okay, thank you, thank you for your appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Thank you having very night.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Let me go next to Jaleel Jaleel and Brookline Jalil
next on nightside.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Go right ahead, yes, heighten a couple of things. Might
it is a nice show. I enjoyed special when you
played that, I heard it for the three times is
a laugh out loud since the Tuo TV man, Trump
said it, this is going to make excellent covision And
it did. Yeah, And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I don't know it was productive television, but it certainly
was interesting. It was like it was like, you know,
go to one of these races. You go to the races.
So what I was trying to say, Julia, is that
you go to a NASCAR auto race and a lot
of people go there just to look for the accidents.
I don't think that that's all about. But go ahead.
Your thought on you're you're somebody obviously, and I know
(35:17):
exactly who you are. You've been a friend for many years.
You were born in Iran, you came here, we become friends.
What is your sense as to where this goes from here?
I mean, that was a pretty It looked like a
wrestling match, and it was kind of a two on
one debate going on between both the president and vice
president versus how does this come back together? Or do
(35:39):
you think it does?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I'm be happy. I'll tell you a couple of things.
I was very surprised that, knowing this, both JD. Vans
went to Muni conference with his couple of you know,
from Trumpet administration, and they're trying to have him to
sign that paper Zulenski in Monique, you know, the security conference.
(36:07):
And obviously later on the Treasury Secretary Bassett went to
Or crying and told him point like, if you don't
sign the sign it right now, I have to take
it back. He didn't. He said I have to talk
to my parliament. So, knowing all of that, they brought
him here and Donald Trump called them dictator and all
(36:28):
that stuff, and so they brought him to a White House.
Expected that from of the TV they're going to passion
to sign it. And also Europeans back them up. They said, listen,
whatever Donald Trump wants to do it, no will help you.
So he had that back and this is not going
to go anywhere. The point of the whole thing is.
(36:50):
And they were trying to embarrass him, which obviously Donald
Trump is very good at doing. That is great.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know, let me just respectfully just give you a
different point of view on that. I'm surprised that Zelensky
came here. Okay, it was announced on Wednesday that he
was coming here. I'm surprised that Zelensky came here if
he had no intention of signing the agreement, because even
if they did it behind closed doors today and there
(37:18):
was none of this vitriol and he left without signing it,
it would.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
You know the reason though, then he said that he
will sign it for peace agreement, not ceasefire, because he
pointed that, you know, put in a couple of times
and then so I mean he has I mean, otherwise
he was going to sign it providing if this was
a peace agreement.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Let me let me just tell you that in my opinion,
and I think I'm right on this one. I see
this as a step. What Trump wanted to do was say, look,
we are going to invest fifty percent of these these
minerals that are very important, right, and that is going
to help protect you as much as US ground troops
(38:07):
would do. We're not going to put US ground troops
in Ukraine, nor are we going to put NATO troops
in Ukraine unless we want World War three. And I
think that Trump thought, Okay, we'll do the mineral deal.
Then once we do the mineral deal, the next step
will be to get Zelensky and Putin to sign a
cease fire. Let's stop the hostilities, just like there's a
(38:29):
ceasefire theoretically in the Middle East, and then then they
can have some sort of negotiations. I think Trump was
looking at it as a step by step. I think
I don't think there's any other way you're going to
get a step by step. I don't think you can
have negotiations going on between Zelinski and Putin while the
war is still a hot war.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Do you no, that wouldn't work out. Another thing that
I don't understand it, Trump said, we pay you be
helped to two hundred and fifty billion ask he says, no,
it's only one hundred and eighty billion, so I don't
know what is who is right, So obviously we don't
have the account. But the thing is, Donald Trump does
(39:09):
not like the idea that somebody said no to him.
He thought that's going to bring him over, even though
you call them dictator. I mean yesterday news conferences. I
can't believe I said that, you know, Prime Minister of Britain.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I think he was trying to be cute on that one, Jilil.
You know that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, I mean he was trying to help, obviously help
the guy to get here. He says, now we bend whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But he didn't know, Jalil. I'm flat out of time.
I very much appreciate your call, and I wish you'd
call more often.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And you've got a perspective which is a non American.
I mean, you grew up in Iran and you know
a lot about international politics more than most Americans. So please,
I need your voice more often.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Okay, I sure will, Thanks Sam, and I appreciate your friendship.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Right back, get you okay, Thanks. Thanks. Here's the ten
o'clock news one line open six one seven two five forward.
Just filled. The lines are full. Uh I knew they
would be full tonight. We probably are going to go
three hours on this, so be prepared. Buckle up. I
want to I want to get to the question of
where do we go from here? Is there a path
(40:20):
forward back on nights out after this
It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Costin's Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, if you were watching television today around I guess noontime,
little afternoon time, twelve thirty range, you saw I think
one of the most interesting live television confrontations that I
have ever seen. And I'm not overstating it, as many
(00:30):
of us, I think knew today. The President of Ukraine,
Vladimir Zelensky, went to the White House to meet with
President Trump. Uh. And there's and of course they each
have their own contingent that that their their their their staff,
(00:51):
their team. And there was a situation where you had
President Trump and Vice President Advance and Secretary of State
Marco Rubio and others from the National Security team in
the Oval Office, and I'm sure that President Zelensky had
his counterparts. And the whole idea was they were going
to have a president Zelensky arrived at the White House
(01:13):
and there were pictures of him going in, and then
they had what generally is called a spray, which means
the net photographers and reporters are there and generally there's
a little bit of small talk and normally when the
small talk has ended, they were supposed to go to
another room and sign an agreement been rumored to be
(01:37):
all set all week, whereby the United States would receive
a certain percentage of very important minerals that can be
used in electronics as well as some oil and gas
they have. Apparently a lot of Ukraine is fortunate to
have a lot of these missile these minerals also has
(02:01):
a lot of missiles. By the way, Freudian slipped there. Anyway,
as the meeting began with just the niceties, like to
welcome in nice words back and forth, and then there
started some conversation normally, normally when the niceties are done,
(02:27):
where the President welcomes the visitor, and the visitor acknowledges
and appreciates the invitation and the honor of being at
the White House, and they hope that there will have
a productive meeting. They use all the language that have heard.
It started to get into a conversation that involved Vice
(02:50):
President Vance and President Zelenski. Now I'm going to play it.
I will play it for you in four segments. It's
only about nine minutes, but it is. It's amazing audio
and it's amazing video. I think that at the end,
(03:15):
both the White House and President Zelensky we're playing to
their perceived basis. I think it was a disastrous confrontation.
Will it be eventually resettled and resurrected and reframed. I
(03:38):
hope so, I hope so. But again I don't want
to in any way shape influence your thoughts on this
if you haven't seen it. But picture of the scene again,
the the Oval Office is set up, and President Trump,
President Zelensky, and Vice President Vance and you recognize their voice.
(04:00):
So Rob, let's start off with cut nineteen. This is
part one.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
So look, for four years in the United States of America,
we had a president who stood up at press conferences
and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and then Putin invaded
Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The
path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe
engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway of Joe Biden,
(04:26):
of thumping our chest and pretending that the President of
the United States's words mattered more than the President of
the United States's actions. What makes America a good country
is America engaging in diplomacy. That's what President Trump is doing.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Can I ask you sure?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, okay, So he occupied it our big parts of Ukraine,
parts of East and Crimea. So he occupied it on
twenty fourteen. So during lots of you years. So I'm
not speaking about Biden, but those times was Obama, then
(05:05):
President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now the
President Trump and God bless now President Trump will stop him.
But during twenty fifteen, nobody stopped him.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
He just occupied and took He killed people.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You know what the contact twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Fifteen, twenty.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Fourty, so he kills that here, yeah, by the second right, yes,
But during twenty fourteen till twenty twenty two, what the
situation the same that people have been dying on the
contact line.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Nobody stopped him.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
You know that we had conversations with him, a lot
of conversations, my the lateral conversation, and we signed with him,
me like a new president. In twenty nineteen, I signed
with him the deal I signed with him. Macron and
mayor kill we signed ceasefire, ceasefire. All of them told
(05:59):
me that he will never go. We signed him with
guess contract. Guess contract, yes, but after that he broken
this is fire. He killed a people and he didn't
exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he
didn't do it. What kind of diplomacy gg us became involved?
(06:20):
What what do you what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to
end the destruction of your country. But mister President, mister President,
with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come
into the Oval Office to try to litigate this in
front of the American media. Right now, you guys are
going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because
you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president
for trying to bring it into this conflict.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Into Ukraine that you say, what problems we have.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I have been to come. I've actually I've actually watched
and seen the stories, and I know what happens is
you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour,
mister president.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
So as you can see, it's getting very heated between J. D. Vance,
Vice President Vance Uh and Zolensky. Now Zolensky keeps referring
to him, and I should have set that up for you,
and I apologize. The hymn he's referring to, obviously is
Vladimir Putin, because he is convinced that you know that
(07:21):
Putin is as as most of us are. Uh. Is
the aggressor here, a bad guy.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And Zolensky is trying to fight and and hold off Putin. Now,
the point Vance just tries to make is, Look, you're
here at the in the White House. This this could
have uh been been talked about. There was some there
(07:51):
was some bad set up here. They should have been
set up so that everybody understood that after the uh,
the warm wishes and the greetings and the welcomes ended,
the media should have been escorted out. Actually, in the
next bite, the Vice President makes that suggestion, and President
(08:13):
Trump says, no, no, no, it's good for people to
see this.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I think that's a mistake that that that our
president made. Rob Let's play cut nineteen eight, Part two.
We're just picking up where we left off.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Are Do you disagree that you've had problems bringing people
in your military hap. Do you think that respectful hold
On's to come to the Oval Office of the United
States of America and attack the administration that is trying
to prevent the destruction of your country?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning. Sure,
hills to wall during the war. Everybody has problems, even you.
But you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but
you will feel it in the fusion. God blessed, You
don't know, God blessed, you're not blessed, You're not.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying
to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're gonna feel,
because you're in no position.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
To dictate that.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
Remember this, you're in no position to dictate what we're
gonna feel. We're gonna feel.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Very good, feel We're gonna.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Feel very good and very strong. You're right now not
in a very good position. You've allowed you to be
in a pretty bad position. That happens to be right.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
About from the beginning of the war.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
Not in a good position. You don't have the cards
right now with us. You start having right now.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
You don't know your planes.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
You're gambling with the lives and millions of people. You're
gambling with world War three. You're gambling with world War three.
And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country,
this country that's back to you. Far more than a
lot of people said.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
They should have have you said, thank you once this
entire meeting, No, in this entire media you said thank you.
You went to Pennsylvania and campaign for the opposition in October,
offers some words of appreciation for the United States of
America and the president who's trying to save your country.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Please, you're saying that if you will, speak very loudly
about the war.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
He's not speaking loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country
is in big trouble. No, No, You've done a lot
of talking. Your country is in big trouble. I know
you're not winning. You're not winning this.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So again, I don't think this is helpful for either
the United States or for uh President Zelensky to air
this laundry in public. If you will. There was a
point that I think my producer may have cut out
where at one point Vance tries to calm the situation
(10:51):
and says something about we shouldn't be doing this, and
I believe that President Trump at that point said no, no, no,
let this go. This is important for people to say.
Now again that's Donald Trump saying, Okay, we're gonna be
We're going to be more transparent. But obviously there's bad
blood here. There's bad blood. If you remember, the first
impeachment of Donald Trump that occurred back at the towards
(11:13):
the end of his first term, revolved around a phone
call that he had had with then President Zelensky of Ukraine.
So keep what you have in mind here. We're going
to take a quick break and I come back. We're
going to play two more sets of this interchange. And
I think all of you know at this point that
(11:34):
the deal was never signed, whether it can be again revived, resurrected,
whatever you want to know talk about I don't know.
In the meantime, we're going to talk and get your
reaction to how this all went down. I think, and
I think this was a disastrous event for our country, uh,
(12:01):
and for the Trump administration. I think President Trump feels
it plays well to his space. We'll get to all
of this, I promise, and I want your reaction. If
you think that that Zelensky uh started it, you can
take whatever position you want. I must give you mine.
I hope you respect that. And then we'll play two
more parts of this and you will have heard pretty
(12:23):
much in its entirety, the entire the entirety of this
exchange was lasted about about just a little short of
ten minutes, we'll be back on nights Side. The only
lines that are open right now if you want to
get in is six one, seven, nine three thirty. The
others have already filled up. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
By the way, if you were calling during that break
and the lines were not being answered, there was we
had a technical issue. So please feel free to call
that number that I gave uh in. It is now
set and capable of taking your calls. I apologize that
was my mistake. Six one, seven, nine, three ten thirty.
(13:09):
Light it up. Rob is there ready to set you up,
and we're going to be getting to phone calls very quickly,
So if you want to get in, let's get in. Okay.
Now we're going to go to the conversation, the discussion,
the argument continues. This is part three, Rob, Please play
cut nineteen B.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
You have a damn good chance of coming out okay.
Because of the President.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
We're staying Yawa Country, staying strong. From the very beginning
of the war, we've been alone and we are thankle
I said, thanks, you haven't been.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
We gave you, through this stupid president, three hundred and
fifty billion dollars. Will we gave your military equipment. You
you've met, are brave, but they had to use our
military one of If you didn't have our military equipment,
I mean, you didn't have our military equipment, this war
would have been over in two weeks.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Okay, I heard it from Putin in three days. This
is something maybe less in two weeks. Of course.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
Yeah, it's going to be a very hard thing to
do business like this.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I tell you, they thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I accept it, except that they're accept the American except.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That there are disagreements, and let's go litigate those disagreements
rather than trying to fight it out in the American media.
When you're wrong, we know that you're wrong, and you see.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
I think it's good for the American people to see
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I think it's very important.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
That's why I kept this going so long. You have
to be thankful. You don't have the cards. You're buried there,
your people that die. You're running low on soldiers. You're
running low on soldiers. It would be a damn good thing.
And then you then you tell us I don't want
to cease fire. I don't want to cease fire. I
want to go and I wanted this. Look, if you
(14:50):
could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you, you take it.
So the bullets stopped flying, and your meant stuff courting kills.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Course, we want to stow the war.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
But they're saying you don't want to say. I said
to you want to see guarantee because you'll get a
ceasefire faster than anygree.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Let's cow were people about fire what they see?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
That wasn't with me. That wasn't with me.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
That was with a guy named Biden, who was not
a smart person. That was your That was with excuse me.
That was with Obama, who gave you sheets and I
gave you javelins. I gave you the javelins to take
out all those tanks. Obama gave you sheets. In fact,
the statement is Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins.
(15:32):
You got to be more thankful because let me tell you, you
don't have the cards. With us, you have the cards,
but without us, you don't have any cards.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And the cards the President is talking about, obviously, is
our investment in the Ukrainian minerals by the way the
javelins that the President was referring to with javelin missiles. Okay,
now this there's one more part here, what you want
to play for you, which Putin is trying to answer questions.
(16:06):
He's pretty much outnumbered. Trump has come is going at him.
You can tell that there's bad blood, bad blood Donald
Trump's blood, bad blood towards Joe Biden and towards Vladimir Zelensky. Uh.
And then there's a question that is asked by a reporter.
I still don't know who asked the question. And the
(16:26):
reporter almost seems to be jumping in, taking Zelenski off
the hook, asking well, what if there's a ceasefire in
Russia were to break the ceasefire? And the President responds,
as he often does, this has cut nineteen c rub
What are you saying?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
She's asking, what if Russia breaks the ceasefire?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
What if they what if anything? What if the bomb
drops on your head right now? Okay, what if they
broke it? I don't know they broke it with Biden
because Biden they didn't respect him, they didn't respect Obama.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
The spect me.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of
a lot with me. He went through a phony witch
hunt where they used him in Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia.
You ever hear of that deal? There was a phony.
That was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, scam, Hillary Clinton,
Shifty Adam Schiff. It was a Democrat scam and he
had to go through that, and he did go through it.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We didn't end up in a war.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
And he went through it. He was accused of all
that stuff. He had nothing to do with it. It came
out of Hunter Biden's bathroom. It came out of Hunter
Biden's bedroom. It was disgusting. And then they said, oh oh,
the laptop from Hell was made by Russia, the fifty
one agents. The whole thing was a scam and he
(17:47):
had to put up with that. He was being accused
of all that stuff. All I can say is this,
he might have broken deals with Obama and Bush, and
he might have broken them with Biden.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
He did, maybe maybe he did.
Speaker 7 (17:59):
I don't know what happened, but he didn't break him
with me. He wants to make a deal. I don't
know if you can make a deal. The problem is
I've empowered you to be a tough guy and I
don't think you'd be a tough guy without the United States,
and your people are very brave.
Speaker 9 (18:15):
But you're either going to make a deal or we're out.
And if we're out, you'll fight it out. I don't
think it's gonna be pretty, but you'll fight it out.
But you don't have the cards. But once we signed
that deal, you're in a much better position.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
But you're not acting at all thankful. And that's not
a nice thing. I'll be honest, that's not a nice thing.
All right, I think we've seen enough.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Huh?
Speaker 7 (18:40):
This is gonna be great television.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I will say that it was interesting, that's for sure. Now.
The President of the White House released a statement shortly
after this meeting broke up. Meeting never really occurred in
which President Trump was quoted at Donald Trump, we had
a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much
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was learned that could never be understood without conversation under
such fire and pressure. Whether it should have been public,
in my opinion, is quite a different story. It's amazing
what comes out through emotion. And I've determined that President
Zelensky is not ready for peace if America is involved,
because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage
in negotiations. I don't want advantage. I want peace. He
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disrespected the United States and it's cherished Oval office. He
can come back when he is ready for peace. So
we're going to go to break phone lines are full,
hold off dialing. We'll do this probably for the rest
of the night, if the interest holds. I think I
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think this is a day that President Trump's bitterness towards
Joe Biden and towards the twenty twenty election went center
stage when it was a day in which they should
have worked to have convinced Zolensky, out of sight of cameras,
(20:09):
that he had come to Washington to sign the deal.
Signed the deal, that would have been a predicate to
a secondary conversation with Putin about ceasefire. Obviously, Zolensky has
a very different view. He was playing to his country
and President Trump was playing to his base and JD. Vance.
I think when he tried to calm it down and
(20:33):
say let's take it out of the range of cameras,
the President dismissed that out of sight and I think
that is where it really really went off. The rails.
Your points of view are more important than mine because
there are more points of view from you than me,
And I want to hear. Not looking to argue with you,
I'd love to hear what you think of this. Tell
me where you're coming from. If you're a Trump supporter
(20:55):
and you love it, let me know. If you're a
Trump supporter and you have some concerns about it, let
me know. Back on Night Side, the lines are full.
Right now, we'll get everyone will get going right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Let's go to the Phone's gonna go to Rashid. Rashid,
you were first this hour on Night Side. I know
that you support President Trump. I don't think that was
a good look today. Love to know what you think.
Speaker 10 (21:23):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Well, Dan, I've been very outspoken about the war in Ukraine,
and I believe that the war in Ukraine is a
Slavic disagreement about borders that has nothing to do with
the United States of America. I think that President Zelinsky
has been very disrespectful to the United States of America.
We have provided him with, as President Trump mentioned, over
three hundred billion dollars We've provided him with military assistance,
(21:47):
and you know, we want to ender the war, and
it seems like the Russians are more open to that.
And President Zelenski and the European Union in NATO isn't
they for some reason want to continue hostilities with Russia,
which I don't think is in anybody's best interest. I
think that the Cold War days are over. We are
(22:08):
in a new error. The enemy is China, which Russia
has built very close bond with due to the isolation
of sanctions and other things. So I think that the
handling of President Zelenski by Vice President Advanced President Trump
was refreshing. It was great, And you know, I'm happy
that the that the the world got to see because
(22:31):
I think that everybody thinks good.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I think I think it kind of looked I think
it kind of looked like a street fight at two
on one. So but let me ask you this, where
do we go from here? How do you how do
you see this playing out in the next few days
or the next few weeks, for the next few months.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Well, I see what I foresee is I think that
the United States has already pulled out of assisting Ukraine
with its energy Grid. I think that the aid will stop,
the weapons stole will stop, and I think that they're
going to be left on their own devices, and if
they wish to fight Russia to their death, that is
on their choice. That's their choice. I don't I think
(23:08):
that's just guy going to be how it plays out,
or President Zelensky comes back to the table and makes
a deal. It's either one of the two.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, I think I which she thinks more likely.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I don't know. I think that the well, I think
that it's going to be a war of Russia. I
think the Europeans and NATO want to go to warf Russia,
and I think we're going to pull out of NATO
and we're gonna let them fight if that's what they wish.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't think we're gonna I don't think we're going
to pull out of NATO. But but if if we do,
let's let's you know, let's keep let's keep in touch.
Rashid a interesting analysis. I thank you for your carl
as always, thank you, my friend, Thank you, Dan Talks.
Let me go to Bill and Danvers. Bill is also
a supporter of Donald Trump. I think Bill, your reaction
to this today.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
Yeah, well, I I think it's a launch for the world. Uh,
you know Zelensky, I mean he is analyzing. I don't
know if you said Graham tonight, I did Lise Graham,
who's a hawk, as you know, he said he was
never more proud of the president for sticking up for
the country. So I don't think Zolensky got any more
allies in Congress, Uh, I said.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I said that. I thought they both played to their base.
But again, you you now listen to it. At least
you know who do you who do you think benefits?
Speaker 10 (24:24):
I watched, I watched the whole Well, I mean I
think it's a loss for Zolensky long term. I mean, uh,
you know, he did have pictures of the destruction, and
he's absolutely right the connage and the war and what's
going on, and but you know, at some point you
get to say, hey, we got to try something. Now
he doesn't want to cease fire because they violated, that's fine,
(24:47):
but at least if he ever sees fire, you guys
may be living another week or two. Okay, you know
you don't keep losing guys. If the average guy is
forty three in the line.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Now, let me run this one by, let me run.
You're a good historian. Yeah, what would you do if
I said to you? Donald Trump looked and sounded more
like Neville Chamberlain today than he did like Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 8 (25:17):
No, I don't know.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
I don't really, Uh, I don't. I don't see that.
I think he wants to.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Uh well, can I tell you why I ask you
that question?
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, Chamberlain came back after his meeting with Hitler and said,
we have peace I know.
Speaker 10 (25:31):
And yeah, he said peace in our time exactly mean.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And Ronald Reagan went to Berlin and said, mister Gorbachev,
tear down this wall.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
Well well, well yeah, but in that case, we had
the height of the Cold War, we had the forces there,
and we were ready to use it. The question is
for Americans, and I think if you look at the
election results most elections and people in the country, palmby
wants some resolution. Okay, if you really want to go
in Okay, then the country has to get the guy
(26:00):
that we're going to have to draft and we're gonna
have to go win big with NATO. And that's fine
if the country wants it.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't think anyone wants I agree with you on
that point, Bill, I'm totally great. I don't think anyone
wants US troops in the ground war.
Speaker 10 (26:14):
Nobody does, no. And I think he's trying to find
a medium ground to an extent, okay, to try to
bring about something the Trump stuff, okay, And whether it
works or not, who knows. But by going home is
going to be in trouble. He's gonna I don't know
what's gonna happen to the guy. I mean, he's gonna
(26:34):
be in the bunk up, like maybe in nineteen forty five,
when he's surrounded. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, but I don't want to compare. I think it's
unfair to compare Zelinsky Hitler. I think, to be honest with.
Speaker 10 (26:45):
You, I know that I mean, yeah, but no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You know's been can you? Zilinsky's been courageous. And I
think that that Trump realizes that he's in a spot now.
And I'm not saying that Trump could not have given
him this advice privately, but to do it publicly makes
it tough for Zelensky to come back with his tail
between his legs. We'll see what happens. Bill, great analysis,
(27:10):
Thank you very much, yep, great, thank you. Right to you, Sue,
good night. Let me go to Dave in Boston. Dave,
you were next on NIGHTSI go.
Speaker 10 (27:17):
Right ahead, by Dan, I think I'm going to have
to for the first time, oh maybe for the second time,
I agree with you. The world got to see what did.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You agree with me on? Before? Pray? Tell I no problem,
no problem, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 10 (27:35):
But the world got to see the type of buffoon,
a thug, and a just insane man that this guy
Trump is. It was embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
It was I think it. I think the language I
got to read. I gotta be honest with you that
I tried to tamp down the language in terms of
what people called Biden. I don't I think that was
Donald Trump reality. I think that in that he has
this this recollection of twenty twenty, the bitterness kind of
bubbled up. But I also think as a negotiator, uh
and as early he was, he was in his position
(28:08):
of being the negotiated there and he wasn't negoting kindly.
He was basically saying, hey, look here's the deal, take
her to leave it. That's what I think. But call
him insane, I don't think he's insane.
Speaker 10 (28:19):
I do uh and and and you know when when
when you say, you know, A do.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You think jd Vance was Do you think jd Vance
was insane or is insane?
Speaker 10 (28:29):
I think I think that jd Vance was the one
who who set the torch off, who set the fire off?
You know, the same jd Vance who called Trump Hitler,
the same guy.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:42):
It's it's it's well, that's that was embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
People are people. Here's the thing. People do have right
to change your minds. What what my concern is that
when people called him on this show and called Joe
Biden all sorts of names, and I always stepped in
and said, you know, I think that's a little far
to call. If you wanted to hold Donald Trump today
boigerant a bully, I don't have a problem with that.
(29:06):
But he is he is because okay, well, okay, once
you make your point I want to I wanted to.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
You can agree to disagree. You can agree to disagree
with Joe Biden. But at least he appeared again, A
big word appeared. He appeared to be a decent man.
This guy today is not a decent man. He tried
to embarrass Uh. The as a president on the national stage.
It's an embarrassment for America to even have this guy
(29:35):
in the front office.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I'm assuming you didn't vote for him.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
No, never.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
All I'm just saying to you, Dave, is you undercut
your legitimate criticism.
Speaker 10 (29:44):
In my opinion, only to you, Dan, I mean I
under cut it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You undercut it. You undercut it to people, You undercut
it to people who have a reasonable point of view.
I have criticized I don't know if you've listened to
this hour, but I have.
Speaker 10 (30:04):
From criticize.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I've criticized him for years, and I certainly criticized him
this hour. And I think you wanted to cut the
legitimacy of your your argument, that's all. I don't know
you you bring anyone over to your side, But by
calling someone in saying that's easy, that's like saying you
know or you know Biden most demented or whatever. Anyway,
I'm gonna move on. You got it all in. You
(30:27):
got more time than the other callers, and I thank
you for the call. Call anytime and we can have
a conversation. But I just think that it doesn't do
anyone any good to invoke uh, you know, medical diagnoses. Uh,
if you're not someone qualified to make a medical diagnoses.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I hate it for to be fair, but that's what
I'm all about. Back on night Side right after this,
more calls.
Speaker 8 (30:55):
Now back to Ray Live from the Window World Night
Sense Studios ONBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Let's try to get as many folks in as we can.
Let me go Yana. Okay, Yanna, if you're there, great,
If you're not going to put you on hold, you
talk to Yanna. She's got her car radio blast to
put her on hold. Let me go to Sue in Newbury. Sue,
you were next on Nightsiger, right ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:20):
Uh, yeah, I guess I. I'm definitely not for mister Trump.
I didn't vote for him, I'll be very honest, sure,
and I would never vote for somebody like that. He's
a convicted felon. If that was you, if that was
my husband, you'd be behind bars right now.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
He's convicted of a felon. He was convicted in a
civil case. But we'll let that go. He's not a
convicted fellaon. Okay, go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
Well, I'm just trying to keep.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It just trying to keep it accurate. It's like you
telling me he was he was a senator for New Mexico.
That would be not true either. But go ahead.
Speaker 11 (31:55):
But there's a lot of things that he has done
that for me, no question is definitely questionable. And I
know that you were critical of the man that called
a couple minutes ago saying that he was deranged or whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Where he was he used the word insane. And when
people called about Joe Biden and made comments about Biden
that where I thought below the belt, I called him
on it the same way. I don't think Trump's insane.
I think that that he didn't handle it well today,
and I think that he probably that all of that
sort of bile boiled up about the twenty twenty and
all of that sort But I just don't think he's Again,
(32:33):
I'm trying to I'm trying to keep it at a level,
and I want to hear what you have to say,
so let me not interrupt. You go right ahead, right.
Speaker 11 (32:39):
I think I think a couple of things I'd like
to say is that you know, you talk about respect,
and he was saying how disrespectful that he the president
was from Ukraine today, and and and Trump himself, I believe,
and I think that most people, if they're intelligent, would
(33:01):
feel that he was not respectful either at all. So
it those two ways. And and speaking of calling people names,
I don't think during Trump's campaign, I don't think there
was ever a president that I remember that ran that
called more people names or made fun of mentally ill
(33:21):
people or those kind of things. And the thing that
really bothers me too is I don't know where.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I'm trying to believe. I'm trying to focus. I'm trying
to get your back focused.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
I don't know where this war is going to go.
I don't know where this war is going to go.
But I know that Trump is for for me. Trump
can't go into a meeting like he went into today
and just simply take over the whole conversation. And which
is what he did. You replay all those all those minutes,
(33:53):
and I guarantee if somebody, there's probably somebody out there
that's counting the words that were said between the two presidents,
and I guarantee that Trump, by far, we went out
on the amount of words. Because Trump always always interrupts people.
He never allows people to get out what they're trying
to say. He interrupts, and Trump himself cannot talk very
(34:17):
seldom can he talk in a complete sentence, and he
does not like to answer questions that are posed to him.
That's all I'm going to say. That's very disrespectful. So
that's how I feel.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
That's fine. Okay, thank you, thank you for your appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (34:31):
Thank you having very night.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Let me go next to Jaleel Jaleel and Brookline Jalil
next on nightside.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Go right ahead, yes, heighten a couple of things. Might
it is a nice show. I enjoyed special when you
played that, I heard it for the three times is
a laugh out loud since the Tuo TV man, Trump
said it, this is going to make excellent covision And
it did. Yeah, And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I don't know it was productive television, but it certainly
was interesting. It was like it was like, you know,
go to one of these races. You go to the races.
So what I was trying to say, Julia, is that
you go to a NASCAR auto race and a lot
of people go there just to look for the accidents.
I don't think that that's all about. But go ahead.
Your thought on you're you're somebody obviously, and I know
(35:17):
exactly who you are. You've been a friend for many years.
You were born in Iran, you came here, we become friends.
What is your sense as to where this goes from here?
I mean, that was a pretty It looked like a
wrestling match, and it was kind of a two on
one debate going on between both the president and vice
president versus how does this come back together? Or do
(35:39):
you think it does?
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I'm be happy. I'll tell you a couple of things.
I was very surprised that, knowing this, both JD. Vans
went to Muni conference with his couple of you know,
from Trumpet administration, and they're trying to have him to
sign that paper Zulenski in Monique, you know, the security conference.
(36:07):
And obviously later on the Treasury Secretary Bassett went to
Or crying and told him point like, if you don't
sign the sign it right now, I have to take
it back. He didn't. He said I have to talk
to my parliament. So, knowing all of that, they brought
him here and Donald Trump called them dictator and all
(36:28):
that stuff, and so they brought him to a White House.
Expected that from of the TV they're going to passion
to sign it. And also Europeans back them up. They said, listen,
whatever Donald Trump wants to do it, no will help you.
So he had that back and this is not going
to go anywhere. The point of the whole thing is.
(36:50):
And they were trying to embarrass him, which obviously Donald
Trump is very good at doing. That is great.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know, let me just respectfully just give you a
different point of view on that. I'm surprised that Zelensky
came here. Okay, it was announced on Wednesday that he
was coming here. I'm surprised that Zelensky came here if
he had no intention of signing the agreement, because even
if they did it behind closed doors today and there
(37:18):
was none of this vitriol and he left without signing it,
it would.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
You know the reason though, then he said that he
will sign it for peace agreement, not ceasefire, because he
pointed that, you know, put in a couple of times
and then so I mean he has I mean, otherwise
he was going to sign it providing if this was
a peace agreement.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Let me let me just tell you that in my opinion,
and I think I'm right on this one. I see
this as a step. What Trump wanted to do was say, look,
we are going to invest fifty percent of these these
minerals that are very important, right, and that is going
to help protect you as much as US ground troops
(38:07):
would do. We're not going to put US ground troops
in Ukraine, nor are we going to put NATO troops
in Ukraine unless we want World War three. And I
think that Trump thought, Okay, we'll do the mineral deal.
Then once we do the mineral deal, the next step
will be to get Zelensky and Putin to sign a
cease fire. Let's stop the hostilities, just like there's a
(38:29):
ceasefire theoretically in the Middle East, and then then they
can have some sort of negotiations. I think Trump was
looking at it as a step by step. I think
I don't think there's any other way you're going to
get a step by step. I don't think you can
have negotiations going on between Zelinski and Putin while the
war is still a hot war.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Do you no, that wouldn't work out. Another thing that
I don't understand it, Trump said, we pay you be
helped to two hundred and fifty billion ask he says, no,
it's only one hundred and eighty billion, so I don't
know what is who is right, So obviously we don't
have the account. But the thing is, Donald Trump does
(39:09):
not like the idea that somebody said no to him.
He thought that's going to bring him over, even though
you call them dictator. I mean yesterday news conferences. I
can't believe I said that, you know, Prime Minister of Britain.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I think he was trying to be cute on that one, Jilil.
You know that's the thing.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Yeah, I mean he was trying to help, obviously help
the guy to get here. He says, now we bend whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But he didn't know, Jalil. I'm flat out of time.
I very much appreciate your call, and I wish you'd
call more often.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And you've got a perspective which is a non American.
I mean, you grew up in Iran and you know
a lot about international politics more than most Americans. So please,
I need your voice more often.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Okay, I sure will, Thanks Sam, and I appreciate your friendship.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Right back, get you okay, Thanks. Thanks. Here's the ten
o'clock news one line open six one seven two five forward.
Just filled. The lines are full. Uh I knew they
would be full tonight. We probably are going to go
three hours on this, so be prepared. Buckle up. I
want to I want to get to the question of
where do we go from here? Is there a path
(40:20):
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