July 22, 2025 • 37 mins
Nearly three months after the death of 5-year-old Hyde Park resident Lens Joseph, who was struck and killed by a school bus while crossing the street, the family of Lens is still looking for answers. No one has been criminally charged in the crash, which remains under investigation by the Suffolk County district attorney’s office and Boston police. The family of the Hyde Park kindergartener has filed a lawsuit against bus contractor Transdev and former bus driver Jean Charles, alleging negligence. Dan asked the question, why don’t we know more about the investigation and driver?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVZ, Boston's news radio, that.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's not good news. Tanawckets from Philadelphia. If the rid
Sox lose tonight, whether they lose by four to one
or another score, there will be one in four after
the All Star break.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
So so much for that with that winning streak.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, well yeah, so much of the winning streak. It was.
It was great while it lasted.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It was fun. It was a fun two weeks. No,
it was training camp starts tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
When does the bus leave for Fort Myers? Right, do
we have a date yet?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, it's getting close.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, well we'll have to say. I mean they're still
in it. I mean there are only a few games out.
I mean, oh, absolutely great teams in the America League
East other than Toronto recently.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Right. I just think they need to go out and
get another pitcher and I think that will solve a
lot of these issues here, because they've dug themselves holes
in the first inning in four of these five games.
With all the games that decides when the crochet pitched,
they have just they've struggled out the gate.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean Gilioto, Uh, you know, Jillioto Gelbito,
I should say, uh and then Fits tonight. I really
like Fits. He just doesn't have I don't know, there's
something missing with him. He's gonna be a really good
pitcher in my mind, but he's one in four, probably
one and you know, one and five after tonight, So
(01:22):
that's gonna be a gonna be a tough one. I
don't know who do they trade. Let's hear who they're
gonna trade Dan.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think that Jared Duran could be on the table
to make a big move here. They seem to have
a logjam in the outfield with all these guys that
are all left handed hitters. Uh, and it'd be him
or William A. Braw I would rather move a Brew
than Duran, but we'll see if they can bring in
a big time guy like a Joe Ryan from Minnesota.
That's the name that a lot of these national reporters
are thrown out there. I would make that move, but
(01:50):
I would not do some sort of a deal for
prospects or anything like that. The Red Sox need to
start being a little more aggressive and uh, playing for
playing for now and not.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So much in the future. I don't think Mano it
was gonna let go, let Ryan go. That's my my sense.
And I've read some stuff today that said it may
not work totally.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
You can totally see that happening too.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So when you have good pitching, you don't let it go.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, and they but they got to find somebody. And
it's been a weird season, you know, when Justin Verlander
is oho to nine.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yep, it's a weird season, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
No doubt. Ten. And oh and now it's one in four.
They could finish this road for a one in five
and then come back to face the La Dodgersikes could
be could get ugly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
They could.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Thanks, Dan, you're talking baseball with him. So glad you.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Jumped in any time.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I know that. No, that's why I kind of was
hoping you'd react appreciate it, all right, Thanks? All right,
we got to get back to out of the what
they call toys in the attic sports and start start
talking about real life. And we've visited this story once
by month after it happened. Tragic story. Tragic story. A
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little boy five years old who was a kindergarden student
riding on the bus with his sister, hic cousin excuse me,
eleven year old cousin and the little boy gets off
the bus. His name is Lenz Joseph, a student at
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the UP Academy in Dorchester, a kindergarten student. It was
a Monday afternoon, April twenty eighth, beautiful late April day,
and somehow he's run over. According to the Globe Report today,
family of boy killed by bus file suit by the
bus that just let him off. Now that driver had
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all sorts of problems with his driving record, and that
driver that very day had apparently smashed into a sideswiped
of the a park vehicle in Mattapan, didn't stop for
that accident. Now it's nearly three months later, no arrest,
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no charges against anyone, no investigation report, nothing from the
Mayor's office, nothing from the office of the district attorney. Oh,
some platitudes. You know, we're very sorry. Well, who wouldn't
be very sorry for the death of a five year
old unnecessarily, You know, it should be the safest time
of his life as a kindergarten student in Boston. It
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turns out that the company that Boston has contracted with,
they should dump that company as soon as possible. I
don't know the length of the contract, but they apparently
have served as Boston Public school bus contractor since twenty thirteen.
The company is transdev. Of course, they didn't respond to
the Globe's requests for comment today. I think that we
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got to now start asking, well, the mayor and also
the district attorney, where did they stand on this is?
What is there? Richards? Why is there nothing? The family
is obviously traumatized by the accident, and assuming it's an accident,
and hoping it's an accident, but traumatized by it. However,
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an accident, even if it's somehow careless, can be so
outrageous that it's a gross negligence, which gets it much
closer to almost a criminal charge in some cases. Again,
where's the district attorney on this one? It happens to
be a little boy five years old who is from Boston,
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from Hyde Park. Okay, he's not from Weston, He's not
from Wellesley. I guarantee you if a five year old
child getting off a school bus as a kindergartener was
run over in Wellesley or Weston, o Whalen or Winchester,
and I simply mentioned those communities not to denigrate them
at all, but to point out that they are all
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lovely communities. That happened to start with the letter w
Wellesley West and Whalen Winchester beautiful communities. Uh, and do
you think that it would have gone have gone three months?
So today we reached out to the family's attorneys, attorney
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two attorneys, Matthew Foegelman and Alan Clevin. You know, they
released the statement which you know only speaks the obvious
that they are.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
They they.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The the Joseph family statement is the latest.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We're steadfast and seeking justice for Lenz and his family members.
This is the attorneys and we will not waiver in
that pursuit. Well, we would have left, have had one
of both of the attorneys on with us tonight and
to talk about but my producer called and did not
get a response. But this has gone on way too long,
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way too long. The lawsuit, according to The Globe, alleges
that trans Dev, the company that provided the transportation now
for over ten years, was negligent in the hiring, training,
and supervision of its drivers. It was also negligently implementing
policies and procedures for the safe transportation of children on buses.
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The complaint said trans Dev also failed to use safety
equipment on the buses, according to the complaint, which are
owned by BPS. According to the complaint, that includes stop
arm cameras, extended stop arms, crossing arms, surround cameras, pedestrian
detection sensors, and automatic braking systems. The complaint said Charles
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the driver, acted, according to the complaint, negligently and or
recklessly within the scope of his employment. According to the complaint,
A WU spokes first person for Mayor Wu, in a
statement released Monday night in response to Globe questions, called
the crash a heartbreaking incident that no family should have
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to endure. Mayor Wiu, with all due respect, tell us
something we don't already know. It is a heartbreaking incident
that no family should have to endure. Yeah, we agree
with that, Mayor will, but give us some insight. That's
a little more indicative of how you feel, simple as that.
A spokesperson for the school school pretendent Mary Skipper, We
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welcome the findings from the independent investigation and are committed
to implement any recommendations that will improve our transportation operation
and are sure our students are safe while riding the
bus to and from school, which is our top priority.
That's of little consolation to the to the Joseph family,
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it seems to me because their child's fate has been sealed.
So I want to open up these lines. And who
do you blame here? I mean, I blame the school department.
I blame the Mayor's office. I blame the district Attorney's office.
If why, I mean, I don't even know. If it's
if guy's around the driver boy, I'll tell you. I
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guess his name is Jean Charles. The driver. I don't
believe he's in custody. I don't believe he has been
charged with anything anything. Although the legal concept of race
ipsel loquiter. The results speak up wel helf localid or speaks.
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The result speaks for itself. The driver stopped at the
wrong location, full seat lens, the little boy was and
his eleven year old cousin to cross in front of
the bus in order to reach their home, and of
course we know what happened next. I'm gonna put out
the lines here and I hope I am not disappointed
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in this one, because this is one where there should
be an outcry from everyone, everyone in Boston and I
don't care if you support Mayor Wou or support Josh Craft,
doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. This is a five year old
kindergarten child who never made it through the first year
of through his year of kindergarten. He's dead and the
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officials have said nothing. There have been a couple of
columns in the Globe, Hats off to the Globe calling
city officials out for that. They normally don't call city
officials out. I'm calling the mayor out right now, and
I'm calling the district attorney right now. What's more important
in your office? What case is more important in your office,
mister district attorney than this case? Can you tell me
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and Mayor Wu, what issue in this city is more
important to you right now than finding out what happened
to this year child? And I would also address that
to the Superintendent of Public Schools, Mary Skipper. She's probably
on summer vacation. I assume this kid's not on summer vacation.
This kid's dead and this family has lost the precious
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young child and it wouldn't be tolerated in a lot
of other communities. Six months say, if you don't feel
outraged to this then you don't have a soul six
one seven, two, four ten thirty six one seven, nine
three ten thirty. I was upset about this in May
at the one month mark.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And there have been other interesteding stories in the meantime.
But I'm I'm triply upset tonight. UH. And I'm glad
that they have I hope they have competent counsel.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It sounds to me from the complaint that has been
quoted in the Globe that they do have competent council.
And I hope that they are able to teach this
company a lesson that when they put people behind the
wheel of a bus, they have to know who those
people are, and they have to be comfie in their
ability to drive that bus safely day in and day out.
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Whether there be accidents that occur, sure, will they be
a fundamental, Will someone stop short, Sure? Will some bus
slide on ice? Sure, But you're gott to run over
a five year old kid who just cut off your bus.
That's that isn't even close close to negligence. That's way
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beyond negligence. We'll be back right after the break six
one seven, two, five, four ten thirty and six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. Let's get it going later on tonight, we're
going to talk about rats in Boston, and we're not
talking about political leaders or anything like that. We're talking
about actual rats on the ground who are apparently migrating
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from mass and cass uh Over towards South Boston. Lovely,
just lovely, unbelievable. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's Nice Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So the premise of this hour, and I hope we
do an hour, is to basically give you an option,
give you an opportunity to express yourself. No one was
available for this little boy in his time of need.
Apparently the driver stopped on the wrong side of the
street and then compounded the mistake, according to the Globe story,
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and the little boy was run over. His eleven year
old cousin watched it. Grandmothers who came down to meet
him at the bus stop on the other side of
the street, sorr it from a distance. This is a nightmare.
This is a nightmare, and it's a nightmare from which
they have not woken up. Because for three months the
DA has done nothing and the mayor's office seems to
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have done nothing, and the superintendent of public school's office
seems to have done nothing to meet It is inexplicable.
We're going right to the phone. I'm going to go
to Paul and Debt and Paul, if this had happened
to Debbi me, you think you'd wait three months for
some action by officials.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh, absolutely, not to be looked into, immediately, be report done,
and the reports would be available to the medium. Let
me ask you, well, why does the mayor hire an
outside attorney to investigate this? Doesn't she have confidence in
the Boston Police. It's my understanding every every precinct in
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Boston has I guess they used to refer to them
as an autible beyond me and someone that's trained to
investigate accidents. And I know she's hired an attorney. In fact,
the attorney's a very good lawyer. She used to be
a police officer herself over in Cambridge. But I don't
see why she has to go outside to us.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Is what's the lawyer's name?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I may know her, Natitia Tidwell, Okay, I've.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Heard of her. Well, well, I don't understand that either.
That's what you had detectives for and that's what you
have the district attorney for. And whenever there's a there's
an incident like an incident like this, Again, if there's
no suggestion, I would hope that this guy did it intentionally,
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But depending upon if he was under the influence of something,
if his negligence rose to the level of recklessness, there
there can be charges that go beyond a simple civil case.
Negligence is something that you're not paying attention. But if
you are recklessly driving of us in a way that
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causes the death of a five year old, that ain't negligence.
That's much worse than negligence.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And are you asked for the reports?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Have you asked for any of the opposes the investigative reports?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
No? I haven't, and that's not my role. Okay. I'm
a talk to your post, was an investigative reporter on television,
and I'm very familiar with that process. But I'm not
the mayor of Boston, I'm not the governor of Massachusetts.
I'm not the high Potentate of New England. I am
simply a talk show host. And when I look at
a story like this and I realized that nearly three
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months have passed and there's been no action taken. I
don't know how why the driver is even still in Massachusetts?
Do they know?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I wasn't trying to be I wasn't the intendant to
be critical gain.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I was just yeah, I want to be audi. I
am always honest with my audience. Paul and I didn't
take offense at that. But I spend most of the
day trying to put together along with my producer, be
it Marita aka Lightning or Karen when Marina's on vacation,
we spend the entire day looking at stories. Most of
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the stories we look at we don't know. Okay. We
try to come up with the most interesting, most important
stories every night. Uh that that affect people at different levels.
We don't. We don't do every night international politics. We
don't do every night what's going on in the White House?
We don't do we we If you listen to this show,
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it's a different show every night with different topics. We
do come back to topics like this. I don't do
you know, drive by topics one and done on something
of this importance. Trust me. Uh, but I don't have
the time to file, you know, formal, you know, Freedom
of Information Act letters. I don't have the staff. I
have is myself and Marita and when I can get
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Mustard the dog to work for me a little bit,
but he's not very good on typing. At this point,
I want.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You to last night you had the post off from Suffolk.
Very interesting, Paley Logan, right, But you know, my opinion
is the Boston voter is just not informed. I mean,
stories like this should really upset every parent in the
Boston City of Boston that has kids in the public schools.
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They should be really upset about this. But I think
a majority of the Boston voters they very uninformed. I
mean about the rest, well.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think you're right. I think you're right. In my
understanding is that we are going to have Josh kraft
On as a guest on Thursday night at nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You get.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I guarantee you that I will raise this topic with him.
I will raise other topics with him. He has not
been on this program in the last six months or
five months, and this will be an opportunity. The poll
that there was little there was good news in that
poll for him. I mean, the only good news that
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you can ascribe. Is it sort of sets a bar
and if a month from now the mayor falls below
the sixty percent marked by any you know, significant level,
or he goes above the thirty percent mark, at that
point you might say, Okay, this movement in his direction
and you've got a race. But sixty thirty, those are
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numbers he's got to work on. And I think that
he probably has to recalibrate his campaign because that that
that's not working. But anyway, he should.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
He should really be speaking about mass and casts. That's
no better now than it was three years ago.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Mass and cast. He should be speaking about this an incident.
He should be talking about White Stadium, which has been
a real problem for a lot of people in the
Roxbury Dorchester community. He should continue to talk about the
examination schools. He should talk about bike lanes. He should
talk about the impact of bike lanes, specifically on Center
Street in West Roxbury. There's about ten issues that he
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can talk about and he needs to he needs to retool.
I think at this point, you know, I don't like
to see anyone have a cakewalk in a race, because
cakewalks a complet complacency, breeds content, you know, and you
want your public officials to earn their reelections. You know,
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one of the questions I would ask Mayor Wu frankly
if I were Josh Kraft, is whether or not she
would intend and commit to serving a full four year term.
There's no doubt he would serve a full year term.
But I'm not sure that if an opportunity opened up
when one of our older US Senators decided to hang
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it up, or if something sadly happened to either Senator
Marcus Senator Warren, I think that Mayor Wu will have
her eyes. She will, She'll have a case of Potomac fever.
In my opinion, She's not a Tom Menino sort of mayor,
a different, different, different character, that's for sure. Hey, Paul,
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great call, Thanks for getting this going. I normally don't
give you that much time, but I thought you raised
some interesting questions tonight. Please keep calling the program. Thank
you much. We got the news coming at you. We're
gonna take a break. I have one line that Paul
just left, which is six one seven, five four ten thirty,
So if you're dialing within the next few seconds, you
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might get through or six one seven thirty. My name's
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. The two five Ford line
just filled up. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
All right, let's get right back to the calls. We
just had someone drop off, but we'll keep rolling here.
We're gonna go next to Gina in Wayman. Gina, thank
you for calling in your next on Nightside.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Hey Dan, I'm glad you're on this topic because when
it first happened, I just had a failing and knew
that they weren't gonna, you know, proceed with this like
they would it. It was framing him or new in
the You know that that is what shocking.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's shocking to me because I do not believe that
you know that if this young child was in a
different geographical location, they would say they would treat it
with such which I would consider to be a laissez fair. Oh,
we'll get around to it. We get around to it.
This should have been a top priority, in my opinion,
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to give the family as much comfort as they possibly could,
to say, look, this happened, here's how it happened. God
only knows why it happened. We can't bring him back
but we will bring to justice the company if the
company's at fault, if the drivers at fault, or both.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Definitely both, definitely both, I mean some money. He's driving
without a he has a bad driving record, and he's
driving a school bus with children, And how does the
eleven year old get across? And the driver didn't see
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the little kid, He didn't, he didn't see him cross,
and he's gonna move the move the school bus.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, you know, but you've been enough buses to know
that a driver sits up, and a driver has this
big windshield, it's about four times bigger than your windshield
excuse me, or my car windshield, and everything's in front
of him if he's paying attention.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Oh exactly, I drove the bus for the MVPA twenty
three years. Someone get off the bus. You know, they're
not supposed to cross in front of the bus, But
a school bus is way different, you know, with the stop.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Sigow, it's a five year old child. It's a five
year old child. I mean, my question is, even why
do you have five year old kids on school buses.
It seems to me that that those kids should be
going to some community center within walking distance of their home,
their precious commodities, and at five you know, look, I'm sorry,
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my five year old was not riding the school bus.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Yes, no, I know, I mean, but some people, you know,
I just can't do it, you know, I mean they
have to send their child.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well they could take some of that money then for
those five year olds and have training centers or or
you know, community kindergartens or something that would make it
a little easier on the child and the parents. That's all.
It's it's a horrible story. It's just a horrible story, Jeana.
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But you can't forget it.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Oh, I know, it's awful. The poor parents, you know,
I mean their.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Who's on the tv?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Some come hold in her own child, you know what
I mean. And that these accounts that lost their their baby,
you know, and that's what it was, a baby, their baby.
It has not been mentioned at all.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Gee, thank you, thank you for your your your service
at the tee and and thank you very much for
the safe passages you provided to people, whether you were
involved in incidents or accidents. But obviously nothing of this
magnitude and why it is being treated. This should be
updates from number one from from the mayor's office, from
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from the superintendent's office that school superintendent should have gone
on vacation until this situation was settled down. Uh, you know,
and and from the district attorney's office as well.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Okay, we absolutely they're all fault. I think they're all
fault now. I mean, it's just sick me that I
haven't heard anything about it since.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, I criticized Rachel Rawlins, and I think rightfully
so for having some really lunatic ideas as a district attorney.
But I would take Rachel Rollins to what we got
with Kevin Hayden right now, because at least we would
have heard from Rachel Rowlins.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And she was available and accessible and she defended her
positions as extreme as they were. You got to give
her that credit, and I will give her that credit.
Or if she's listening, fine, and if she has friends
who are listening, you can tell her that Dan Ray
said some nice things about her, and you know, tell
her to be sitting down before before they had formed
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her Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate your time.
Thanks Guina to talk again night, all right, we'll come back.
I'm looking forward to my next three callers, Tina, Keith,
and Dallas in Ohio. Dallas is an occasional caller, but
I don't think I think he's probably as shocked by
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this story as I am. And we'll explain. We're coming
back on night Side right after the break.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, were the guests coming up at ten o'clock. We're
going to talk about rats in Boston. So I want
to get everyone in here, starting with Tina in Wunsaka,
Rhode Island. Tina, I think I know you are. You
know this one's going to talk at your heartstrings.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Yes, I remember hearing about this three or four months ago,
late April twenty eighth, all right, and I remember that,
And so I say to myself, Dan, you know a
lot of times I'm driving around with socket Tucket Center
Falls Comelin, there's always a school.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Bus in front of me.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Nobody wants to be behind a school bus. The bus
monitors get out, they look under the bus on the right,
they look under the bus on the left, all right,
And for something like this to happen, I don't know
if they do that in the Boston area. Now, hide
Pocket isn't one of the better cities.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
It's not one of the worl But it seems to
me that I don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Whether there's some people, some politicians over there. I think
they're up at ear so much better than everybody else.
I don't know, but this, this is somebody is covering
up something because somebody doesn't have a hot If this
was Patucket or with Socket or this area over here,
if a kid was killed by a bus driver, the
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kid crosses the street, the bus driver runs over them,
I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yes, that's what was reporting. I haven't seen any police report.
I've seen nothing on it per se. And this driver,
he's not charged with anything, so if he wants to
like get out of town, he could be long gone
and hard to find. This is crazy, it sure is.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
I just I just don't get it. Somebody, somebody thinks
you're better or smarter than somebody else than this kid.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Or somebody doesn't think that this child's life is worth
the life of a child in Wellesley or Weston or
Whalers Yeahchester, Okay, Yeah, I don't know this little post life.
He could have been the child that discovered the cure
for cancer. He could have been, you know, a great athlete.
He could have been a great musician, he could have
been a great scientist. He had his entire life in
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front of him, and it was snuffed out in a
matter of a few a few seconds. I love your passion.
I really want you to continue listening and calling this program.
I love your passion.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
All right, Thank you, Dan, Thanks Tina.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
We'll talk soon. Let's keep rolling here. Going to go
to Keith is in Quincy. Keith's one of my better
callers out of Quincy. Keith, welcome next on Nightside. Thanks
for calling in.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Good evening there.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
How you doing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
But you're talking this particular situation. You're dealing with young
little kids. It's too much for one person driving the
bus to be able to find out where the kids
are going. You need a bus monitor. I mean, that's
it's pretty obvious, want anybody saying it.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't know that there was no Keith. I don't
know if there was a bus monitor on. I don't
know if there was a bust not on. I don't
know if one was assigned.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
As far as I know, they both haven't said anything,
and I you know, they saw all the pictures, and
the bus monitor gets out the bus. They have to
go out the street anyway stop these idiots from passing
the bus, which you know, that's another whole story. You
could do a whole program on that. And then they
wait until all the kids are where they're supposed to be,
and the bus driver doesn't move the bus until the
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bus monitor gets back on the bus. Just like they're
doing the teeth. They stick their head out the windows
right in the trains, look up.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
But the point you're making, Keith, is an excellent point.
But I'm not sure that this existed. I don't know
if someone was assigned and they were there that day.
I don't know if they were on the bus. This
is the sort of stuff I would like to know
from the investigation. If they sent this bus driver out alone,
obviously that's a difficult set of circumstances. I would the
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bus company do that. So, I mean, it seems to
me that there has to be some failures in the system,
but no one's telling us anything at all. It's like
it didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
That's that's and that's why all this stuff, the speculation
shows up, because the truth isn't out there, so to speak.
You know, they keep waiting to see how it's going
to fly.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And nothing's out there. We don't know nothing's out there,
So that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
But you know, and I know they have budgetary you
don't know, well, we can't afford bus.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well they spend They spend a lot of money on education.
In Boston, we are one of the most expensive cities
per pupil than any city in America. The only city
I believe that is that is more expensive on a
per capital basis is New York. They can't cry poor
mouths anymore.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Well, and then if the bus monitor calls is sick,
you have substitutes that you can get all of.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The Absolutely if substitute teachers.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Can't cool buses with just one person, there's a guy
or a man or woman whatever. It's just too much,
especially as the traffic and boss you.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Like, I think you made it. You made him well,
and I got two more. I got to get to
be because I got a guest coming up in ten.
Thanks Keith for calling, and I appreciate it so much.
Thank you. Let me go next to Dallas in Ohio. Dallas,
this is a crazy story. Dallas is in Akron, Ohio.
Hi Dallas, Hoya, Hi Dan, and hello Bosston.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Yes, this is a very confusing case. I've been following
it a little bits and pieces at a time, and
I'm confused as to the length of time that it's
taken in an investigation.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
By the way, Dallas, I'm not confused about it. I'm
appalled by it.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
Well, yeah, I agree, I agree, But in my opinion,
I believe there is a cover up, just like the
lady I believe from Rhode Island I had mentioned, and
someone is definitely being protected for some reason or another.
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But if if I was, you know, the lead investigator
in that case, mark my word, I would be getting
some information out into the public.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
You know, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, no weeks. It's been pretty tightened up here, that's
for sure.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Yeah. Well, that that to me is a definite sign
in my opinion, that there's a cover up, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
No doubt in my mind.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Well, Dallas, I appreciate hearing from you. I want to
hear from you more often. But can you imagine if
this happened Acquin, would this take three months for some
action to be taken?
Speaker 8 (33:50):
No, and and and to be real quick. There was
a case here many many years ago. Young h student
got off of a school bus that was during Easter,
and he, the little kid, dropped his Easter basket as
he exited the bus, and the baskets fell, all the
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contents spread all out in the pavement, and the little
boy proceeded to pick the items up, and you know, well,
you know, the bus driver rode over him. Wow, and
little the little part it had died. But that was
a tragic accident.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And yeah, we don't know what has happened here. And
it is three months later. This is not a complicated stories.
This is not the Kennedy assassination. This is not even
the Trump attempted assassination. This is a little kid who
was cut down on a beautiful Monday afternoon in late April. Dallas,
love your calls, Keep keep in touch. I really do
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appreciate your your loyalty to this program.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
My friend, I will Dan, and I'm going to email
you sometime.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You got it brought, I'll will give you my direct email.
Rob give Dallas my direct email and my direct phone number. Okay,
he's a friend, all right, Gonna get one more in
here before the break. Tim in Woober and Tim next,
go right ahead, sir.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Hi, damn thanks to take you on. Song is an outrage.
It's an outrage.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, it sure is, UH and we're gonna we're gonna
keep We're gonna keep pushing it. I want an answer,
and I want it.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
I want than anything.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
They hit a camp of all the uh inschange with
this school boy company.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
It's an outrage.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, I'll tell you you said it well, and you
said it directly, my friend. I appreciate it, UH for
I got you in link.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Thanks, Thank you, Tim, Thanks, Jim, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, let me give Joe and Lynn. Joe you're late.
I'm gonna give you about thirty seconds, Max, But.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Thank you Dan.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
I greatly appreciate it. This happened in Boston, correct, Was
it right downtown Boston?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
No, it was like cret Park, Hype Park.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Okay, sorry, Hye Park. But that's still a disgrace. We're
judging him fairly. The driver should have come forward, and
I'm surprised that the mayor didn't do anything. I hope
something is done about this because.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Three months it's I mean, it's it's way too late.
I mean, it's it's it's it's it is. There's no
reason why this should be this late, in my opinion,
has to come forward, the mayor has to come forward,
and the superintendent has to come forward.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Is there a civil suit the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It was filed today. If you listen to the Hour,
I started the hour with that a civil suit has
been filed. But I want to know when justice is
going to be done, and I want to know who's
at fault, and I want to know what if there
is an investigation, and what is it found there. There
aren't complicated factors here. This is not the Kennedy assassination.
This is a kid who was run over by the
same school bus that he had just gotten off.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
And why did this happen? Why didn't they see him? Yeah,
they should have monitors.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You're asking the great question. Thank you, but I'm flat
out of time. Please call early. We got to go
here comes to ten o'clock news, going to talk about
rats in Boston. On the other side, we may get
later tonight to the firing of these two d Mulis
officials who were on our show earlier this month. Back
on Night's side after this
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVZ, Boston's news radio, that.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's not good news. Tanawckets from Philadelphia. If the rid
Sox lose tonight, whether they lose by four to one
or another score, there will be one in four after
the All Star break.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
So so much for that with that winning streak.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Yeah, well yeah, so much of the winning streak. It was.
It was great while it lasted.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It was fun. It was a fun two weeks. No,
it was training camp starts tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
When does the bus leave for Fort Myers? Right, do
we have a date yet?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, it's getting close.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, well we'll have to say. I mean they're still
in it. I mean there are only a few games out.
I mean, oh, absolutely great teams in the America League
East other than Toronto recently.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Right. I just think they need to go out and
get another pitcher and I think that will solve a
lot of these issues here, because they've dug themselves holes
in the first inning in four of these five games.
With all the games that decides when the crochet pitched,
they have just they've struggled out the gate.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, oh yeah, I mean Gilioto, Uh, you know, Jillioto Gelbito,
I should say, uh and then Fits tonight. I really
like Fits. He just doesn't have I don't know, there's
something missing with him. He's gonna be a really good
pitcher in my mind, but he's one in four, probably
one and you know, one and five after tonight, So
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that's gonna be a gonna be a tough one. I
don't know who do they trade. Let's hear who they're
gonna trade Dan.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think that Jared Duran could be on the table
to make a big move here. They seem to have
a logjam in the outfield with all these guys that
are all left handed hitters. Uh, and it'd be him
or William A. Braw I would rather move a Brew
than Duran, but we'll see if they can bring in
a big time guy like a Joe Ryan from Minnesota.
That's the name that a lot of these national reporters
are thrown out there. I would make that move, but
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I would not do some sort of a deal for
prospects or anything like that. The Red Sox need to
start being a little more aggressive and uh, playing for
playing for now and not.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So much in the future. I don't think Mano it
was gonna let go, let Ryan go. That's my my sense.
And I've read some stuff today that said it may
not work totally.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
You can totally see that happening too.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
So when you have good pitching, you don't let it go.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, and they but they got to find somebody. And
it's been a weird season, you know, when Justin Verlander
is oho to nine.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yep, it's a weird season, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
No doubt. Ten. And oh and now it's one in four.
They could finish this road for a one in five
and then come back to face the La Dodgersikes could
be could get ugly.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
They could.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Thanks, Dan, you're talking baseball with him. So glad you.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Jumped in any time.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I know that. No, that's why I kind of was
hoping you'd react appreciate it, all right, Thanks? All right,
we got to get back to out of the what
they call toys in the attic sports and start start
talking about real life. And we've visited this story once
by month after it happened. Tragic story. Tragic story. A
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little boy five years old who was a kindergarden student
riding on the bus with his sister, hic cousin excuse me,
eleven year old cousin and the little boy gets off
the bus. His name is Lenz Joseph, a student at
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the UP Academy in Dorchester, a kindergarten student. It was
a Monday afternoon, April twenty eighth, beautiful late April day,
and somehow he's run over. According to the Globe Report today,
family of boy killed by bus file suit by the
bus that just let him off. Now that driver had
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all sorts of problems with his driving record, and that
driver that very day had apparently smashed into a sideswiped
of the a park vehicle in Mattapan, didn't stop for
that accident. Now it's nearly three months later, no arrest,
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no charges against anyone, no investigation report, nothing from the
Mayor's office, nothing from the office of the district attorney. Oh,
some platitudes. You know, we're very sorry. Well, who wouldn't
be very sorry for the death of a five year
old unnecessarily, You know, it should be the safest time
of his life as a kindergarten student in Boston. It
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turns out that the company that Boston has contracted with,
they should dump that company as soon as possible. I
don't know the length of the contract, but they apparently
have served as Boston Public school bus contractor since twenty thirteen.
The company is transdev. Of course, they didn't respond to
the Globe's requests for comment today. I think that we
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got to now start asking, well, the mayor and also
the district attorney, where did they stand on this is?
What is there? Richards? Why is there nothing? The family
is obviously traumatized by the accident, and assuming it's an accident,
and hoping it's an accident, but traumatized by it. However,
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an accident, even if it's somehow careless, can be so
outrageous that it's a gross negligence, which gets it much
closer to almost a criminal charge in some cases. Again,
where's the district attorney on this one? It happens to
be a little boy five years old who is from Boston,
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from Hyde Park. Okay, he's not from Weston, He's not
from Wellesley. I guarantee you if a five year old
child getting off a school bus as a kindergartener was
run over in Wellesley or Weston, o Whalen or Winchester,
and I simply mentioned those communities not to denigrate them
at all, but to point out that they are all
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lovely communities. That happened to start with the letter w
Wellesley West and Whalen Winchester beautiful communities. Uh, and do
you think that it would have gone have gone three months?
So today we reached out to the family's attorneys, attorney
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two attorneys, Matthew Foegelman and Alan Clevin. You know, they
released the statement which you know only speaks the obvious
that they are.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
They they.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The the Joseph family statement is the latest.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We're steadfast and seeking justice for Lenz and his family members.
This is the attorneys and we will not waiver in
that pursuit. Well, we would have left, have had one
of both of the attorneys on with us tonight and
to talk about but my producer called and did not
get a response. But this has gone on way too long,
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way too long. The lawsuit, according to The Globe, alleges
that trans Dev, the company that provided the transportation now
for over ten years, was negligent in the hiring, training,
and supervision of its drivers. It was also negligently implementing
policies and procedures for the safe transportation of children on buses.
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The complaint said trans Dev also failed to use safety
equipment on the buses, according to the complaint, which are
owned by BPS. According to the complaint, that includes stop
arm cameras, extended stop arms, crossing arms, surround cameras, pedestrian
detection sensors, and automatic braking systems. The complaint said Charles
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the driver, acted, according to the complaint, negligently and or
recklessly within the scope of his employment. According to the complaint,
A WU spokes first person for Mayor Wu, in a
statement released Monday night in response to Globe questions, called
the crash a heartbreaking incident that no family should have
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to endure. Mayor Wiu, with all due respect, tell us
something we don't already know. It is a heartbreaking incident
that no family should have to endure. Yeah, we agree
with that, Mayor will, but give us some insight. That's
a little more indicative of how you feel, simple as that.
A spokesperson for the school school pretendent Mary Skipper, We
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welcome the findings from the independent investigation and are committed
to implement any recommendations that will improve our transportation operation
and are sure our students are safe while riding the
bus to and from school, which is our top priority.
That's of little consolation to the to the Joseph family,
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it seems to me because their child's fate has been sealed.
So I want to open up these lines. And who
do you blame here? I mean, I blame the school department.
I blame the Mayor's office. I blame the district Attorney's office.
If why, I mean, I don't even know. If it's
if guy's around the driver boy, I'll tell you. I
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guess his name is Jean Charles. The driver. I don't
believe he's in custody. I don't believe he has been
charged with anything anything. Although the legal concept of race
ipsel loquiter. The results speak up wel helf localid or speaks.
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The result speaks for itself. The driver stopped at the
wrong location, full seat lens, the little boy was and
his eleven year old cousin to cross in front of
the bus in order to reach their home, and of
course we know what happened next. I'm gonna put out
the lines here and I hope I am not disappointed
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in this one, because this is one where there should
be an outcry from everyone, everyone in Boston and I
don't care if you support Mayor Wou or support Josh Craft,
doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. This is a five year old
kindergarten child who never made it through the first year
of through his year of kindergarten. He's dead and the
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officials have said nothing. There have been a couple of
columns in the Globe, Hats off to the Globe calling
city officials out for that. They normally don't call city
officials out. I'm calling the mayor out right now, and
I'm calling the district attorney right now. What's more important
in your office? What case is more important in your office,
mister district attorney than this case? Can you tell me
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and Mayor Wu, what issue in this city is more
important to you right now than finding out what happened
to this year child? And I would also address that
to the Superintendent of Public Schools, Mary Skipper. She's probably
on summer vacation. I assume this kid's not on summer vacation.
This kid's dead and this family has lost the precious
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young child and it wouldn't be tolerated in a lot
of other communities. Six months say, if you don't feel
outraged to this then you don't have a soul six
one seven, two, four ten thirty six one seven, nine
three ten thirty. I was upset about this in May
at the one month mark.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And there have been other interesteding stories in the meantime.
But I'm I'm triply upset tonight. UH. And I'm glad
that they have I hope they have competent counsel.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It sounds to me from the complaint that has been
quoted in the Globe that they do have competent council.
And I hope that they are able to teach this
company a lesson that when they put people behind the
wheel of a bus, they have to know who those
people are, and they have to be comfie in their
ability to drive that bus safely day in and day out.
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Whether there be accidents that occur, sure, will they be
a fundamental, Will someone stop short, Sure? Will some bus
slide on ice? Sure, But you're gott to run over
a five year old kid who just cut off your bus.
That's that isn't even close close to negligence. That's way
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beyond negligence. We'll be back right after the break six
one seven, two, five, four ten thirty and six, one, seven, nine, three, one,
ten thirty. Let's get it going later on tonight, we're
going to talk about rats in Boston, and we're not
talking about political leaders or anything like that. We're talking
about actual rats on the ground who are apparently migrating
(12:45):
from mass and cass uh Over towards South Boston. Lovely,
just lovely, unbelievable. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
It's Nice Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
So the premise of this hour, and I hope we
do an hour, is to basically give you an option,
give you an opportunity to express yourself. No one was
available for this little boy in his time of need.
Apparently the driver stopped on the wrong side of the
street and then compounded the mistake, according to the Globe story,
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and the little boy was run over. His eleven year
old cousin watched it. Grandmothers who came down to meet
him at the bus stop on the other side of
the street, sorr it from a distance. This is a nightmare.
This is a nightmare, and it's a nightmare from which
they have not woken up. Because for three months the
DA has done nothing and the mayor's office seems to
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have done nothing, and the superintendent of public school's office
seems to have done nothing to meet It is inexplicable.
We're going right to the phone. I'm going to go
to Paul and Debt and Paul, if this had happened
to Debbi me, you think you'd wait three months for
some action by officials.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh, absolutely, not to be looked into, immediately, be report done,
and the reports would be available to the medium. Let
me ask you, well, why does the mayor hire an
outside attorney to investigate this? Doesn't she have confidence in
the Boston Police. It's my understanding every every precinct in
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Boston has I guess they used to refer to them
as an autible beyond me and someone that's trained to
investigate accidents. And I know she's hired an attorney. In fact,
the attorney's a very good lawyer. She used to be
a police officer herself over in Cambridge. But I don't
see why she has to go outside to us.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Is what's the lawyer's name?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
I may know her, Natitia Tidwell, Okay, I've.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Heard of her. Well, well, I don't understand that either.
That's what you had detectives for and that's what you
have the district attorney for. And whenever there's a there's
an incident like an incident like this, Again, if there's
no suggestion, I would hope that this guy did it intentionally,
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But depending upon if he was under the influence of something,
if his negligence rose to the level of recklessness, there
there can be charges that go beyond a simple civil case.
Negligence is something that you're not paying attention. But if
you are recklessly driving of us in a way that
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causes the death of a five year old, that ain't negligence.
That's much worse than negligence.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
And are you asked for the reports?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Have you asked for any of the opposes the investigative reports?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
No? I haven't, and that's not my role. Okay. I'm
a talk to your post, was an investigative reporter on television,
and I'm very familiar with that process. But I'm not
the mayor of Boston, I'm not the governor of Massachusetts.
I'm not the high Potentate of New England. I am
simply a talk show host. And when I look at
a story like this and I realized that nearly three
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months have passed and there's been no action taken. I
don't know how why the driver is even still in Massachusetts?
Do they know?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
I wasn't trying to be I wasn't the intendant to
be critical gain.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I was just yeah, I want to be audi. I
am always honest with my audience. Paul and I didn't
take offense at that. But I spend most of the
day trying to put together along with my producer, be
it Marita aka Lightning or Karen when Marina's on vacation,
we spend the entire day looking at stories. Most of
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the stories we look at we don't know. Okay. We
try to come up with the most interesting, most important
stories every night. Uh that that affect people at different levels.
We don't. We don't do every night international politics. We
don't do every night what's going on in the White House?
We don't do we we If you listen to this show,
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it's a different show every night with different topics. We
do come back to topics like this. I don't do
you know, drive by topics one and done on something
of this importance. Trust me. Uh, but I don't have
the time to file, you know, formal, you know, Freedom
of Information Act letters. I don't have the staff. I
have is myself and Marita and when I can get
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Mustard the dog to work for me a little bit,
but he's not very good on typing. At this point,
I want.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You to last night you had the post off from Suffolk.
Very interesting, Paley Logan, right, But you know, my opinion
is the Boston voter is just not informed. I mean,
stories like this should really upset every parent in the
Boston City of Boston that has kids in the public schools.
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They should be really upset about this. But I think
a majority of the Boston voters they very uninformed. I
mean about the rest, well.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I think you're right. I think you're right. In my
understanding is that we are going to have Josh kraft
On as a guest on Thursday night at nine o'clock.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
You get.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I guarantee you that I will raise this topic with him.
I will raise other topics with him. He has not
been on this program in the last six months or
five months, and this will be an opportunity. The poll
that there was little there was good news in that
poll for him. I mean, the only good news that
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you can ascribe. Is it sort of sets a bar
and if a month from now the mayor falls below
the sixty percent marked by any you know, significant level,
or he goes above the thirty percent mark, at that
point you might say, Okay, this movement in his direction
and you've got a race. But sixty thirty, those are
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numbers he's got to work on. And I think that
he probably has to recalibrate his campaign because that that
that's not working. But anyway, he should.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
He should really be speaking about mass and casts. That's
no better now than it was three years ago.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Mass and cast. He should be speaking about this an incident.
He should be talking about White Stadium, which has been
a real problem for a lot of people in the
Roxbury Dorchester community. He should continue to talk about the
examination schools. He should talk about bike lanes. He should
talk about the impact of bike lanes, specifically on Center
Street in West Roxbury. There's about ten issues that he
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can talk about and he needs to he needs to retool.
I think at this point, you know, I don't like
to see anyone have a cakewalk in a race, because
cakewalks a complet complacency, breeds content, you know, and you
want your public officials to earn their reelections. You know,
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one of the questions I would ask Mayor Wu frankly
if I were Josh Kraft, is whether or not she
would intend and commit to serving a full four year term.
There's no doubt he would serve a full year term.
But I'm not sure that if an opportunity opened up
when one of our older US Senators decided to hang
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it up, or if something sadly happened to either Senator
Marcus Senator Warren, I think that Mayor Wu will have
her eyes. She will, She'll have a case of Potomac fever.
In my opinion, She's not a Tom Menino sort of mayor,
a different, different, different character, that's for sure. Hey, Paul,
(20:50):
great call, Thanks for getting this going. I normally don't
give you that much time, but I thought you raised
some interesting questions tonight. Please keep calling the program. Thank
you much. We got the news coming at you. We're
gonna take a break. I have one line that Paul
just left, which is six one seven, five four ten thirty,
So if you're dialing within the next few seconds, you
(21:10):
might get through or six one seven thirty. My name's
Dan Ray. This is Nightside. The two five Ford line
just filled up. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
All right, let's get right back to the calls. We
just had someone drop off, but we'll keep rolling here.
We're gonna go next to Gina in Wayman. Gina, thank
you for calling in your next on Nightside.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Hey Dan, I'm glad you're on this topic because when
it first happened, I just had a failing and knew
that they weren't gonna, you know, proceed with this like
they would it. It was framing him or new in
the You know that that is what shocking.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's shocking to me because I do not believe that
you know that if this young child was in a
different geographical location, they would say they would treat it
with such which I would consider to be a laissez fair. Oh,
we'll get around to it. We get around to it.
This should have been a top priority, in my opinion,
(22:22):
to give the family as much comfort as they possibly could,
to say, look, this happened, here's how it happened. God
only knows why it happened. We can't bring him back
but we will bring to justice the company if the
company's at fault, if the drivers at fault, or both.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Definitely both, definitely both, I mean some money. He's driving
without a he has a bad driving record, and he's
driving a school bus with children, And how does the
eleven year old get across? And the driver didn't see
(23:03):
the little kid, He didn't, he didn't see him cross,
and he's gonna move the move the school bus.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, you know, but you've been enough buses to know
that a driver sits up, and a driver has this
big windshield, it's about four times bigger than your windshield
excuse me, or my car windshield, and everything's in front
of him if he's paying attention.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Oh exactly, I drove the bus for the MVPA twenty
three years. Someone get off the bus. You know, they're
not supposed to cross in front of the bus, But
a school bus is way different, you know, with the stop.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Sigow, it's a five year old child. It's a five
year old child. I mean, my question is, even why
do you have five year old kids on school buses.
It seems to me that that those kids should be
going to some community center within walking distance of their home,
their precious commodities, and at five you know, look, I'm sorry,
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my five year old was not riding the school bus.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Yes, no, I know, I mean, but some people, you know,
I just can't do it, you know, I mean they
have to send their child.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well they could take some of that money then for
those five year olds and have training centers or or
you know, community kindergartens or something that would make it
a little easier on the child and the parents. That's all.
It's it's a horrible story. It's just a horrible story, Jeana.
(24:44):
But you can't forget it.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Oh, I know, it's awful. The poor parents, you know,
I mean their.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Who's on the tv?
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Some come hold in her own child, you know what
I mean. And that these accounts that lost their their baby,
you know, and that's what it was, a baby, their baby.
It has not been mentioned at all.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Gee, thank you, thank you for your your your service
at the tee and and thank you very much for
the safe passages you provided to people, whether you were
involved in incidents or accidents. But obviously nothing of this
magnitude and why it is being treated. This should be
updates from number one from from the mayor's office, from
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from the superintendent's office that school superintendent should have gone
on vacation until this situation was settled down. Uh, you know,
and and from the district attorney's office as well.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Okay, we absolutely they're all fault. I think they're all
fault now. I mean, it's just sick me that I
haven't heard anything about it since.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I mean, I criticized Rachel Rawlins, and I think rightfully
so for having some really lunatic ideas as a district attorney.
But I would take Rachel Rollins to what we got
with Kevin Hayden right now, because at least we would
have heard from Rachel Rowlins.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And she was available and accessible and she defended her
positions as extreme as they were. You got to give
her that credit, and I will give her that credit.
Or if she's listening, fine, and if she has friends
who are listening, you can tell her that Dan Ray
said some nice things about her, and you know, tell
her to be sitting down before before they had formed
(26:37):
her Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate your time.
Thanks Guina to talk again night, all right, we'll come back.
I'm looking forward to my next three callers, Tina, Keith,
and Dallas in Ohio. Dallas is an occasional caller, but
I don't think I think he's probably as shocked by
(26:59):
this story as I am. And we'll explain. We're coming
back on night Side right after the break.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, were the guests coming up at ten o'clock. We're
going to talk about rats in Boston. So I want
to get everyone in here, starting with Tina in Wunsaka,
Rhode Island. Tina, I think I know you are. You
know this one's going to talk at your heartstrings.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Yes, I remember hearing about this three or four months ago,
late April twenty eighth, all right, and I remember that,
And so I say to myself, Dan, you know a
lot of times I'm driving around with socket Tucket Center
Falls Comelin, there's always a school.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Bus in front of me.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Nobody wants to be behind a school bus. The bus
monitors get out, they look under the bus on the right,
they look under the bus on the left, all right,
And for something like this to happen, I don't know
if they do that in the Boston area. Now, hide
Pocket isn't one of the better cities.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
It's not one of the worl But it seems to
me that I don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Whether there's some people, some politicians over there. I think
they're up at ear so much better than everybody else.
I don't know, but this, this is somebody is covering
up something because somebody doesn't have a hot If this
was Patucket or with Socket or this area over here,
if a kid was killed by a bus driver, the
(28:26):
kid crosses the street, the bus driver runs over them,
I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yes, that's what was reporting. I haven't seen any police report.
I've seen nothing on it per se. And this driver,
he's not charged with anything, so if he wants to
like get out of town, he could be long gone
and hard to find. This is crazy, it sure is.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
I just I just don't get it. Somebody, somebody thinks
you're better or smarter than somebody else than this kid.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Or somebody doesn't think that this child's life is worth
the life of a child in Wellesley or Weston or
Whalers Yeahchester, Okay, Yeah, I don't know this little post life.
He could have been the child that discovered the cure
for cancer. He could have been, you know, a great athlete.
He could have been a great musician, he could have
been a great scientist. He had his entire life in
(29:18):
front of him, and it was snuffed out in a
matter of a few a few seconds. I love your passion.
I really want you to continue listening and calling this program.
I love your passion.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
All right, Thank you, Dan, Thanks Tina.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
We'll talk soon. Let's keep rolling here. Going to go
to Keith is in Quincy. Keith's one of my better
callers out of Quincy. Keith, welcome next on Nightside. Thanks
for calling in.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Good evening there.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
How you doing.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
But you're talking this particular situation. You're dealing with young
little kids. It's too much for one person driving the
bus to be able to find out where the kids
are going. You need a bus monitor. I mean, that's
it's pretty obvious, want anybody saying it.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't know that there was no Keith. I don't
know if there was a bus monitor on. I don't
know if there was a bust not on. I don't
know if one was assigned.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
As far as I know, they both haven't said anything,
and I you know, they saw all the pictures, and
the bus monitor gets out the bus. They have to
go out the street anyway stop these idiots from passing
the bus, which you know, that's another whole story. You
could do a whole program on that. And then they
wait until all the kids are where they're supposed to be,
and the bus driver doesn't move the bus until the
(30:30):
bus monitor gets back on the bus. Just like they're
doing the teeth. They stick their head out the windows
right in the trains, look up.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
But the point you're making, Keith, is an excellent point.
But I'm not sure that this existed. I don't know
if someone was assigned and they were there that day.
I don't know if they were on the bus. This
is the sort of stuff I would like to know
from the investigation. If they sent this bus driver out alone,
obviously that's a difficult set of circumstances. I would the
(31:00):
bus company do that. So, I mean, it seems to
me that there has to be some failures in the system,
but no one's telling us anything at all. It's like
it didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
That's that's and that's why all this stuff, the speculation
shows up, because the truth isn't out there, so to speak.
You know, they keep waiting to see how it's going
to fly.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
And nothing's out there. We don't know nothing's out there,
So that's the problem.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
But you know, and I know they have budgetary you
don't know, well, we can't afford bus.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well they spend They spend a lot of money on education.
In Boston, we are one of the most expensive cities
per pupil than any city in America. The only city
I believe that is that is more expensive on a
per capital basis is New York. They can't cry poor
mouths anymore.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Well, and then if the bus monitor calls is sick,
you have substitutes that you can get all of.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
The Absolutely if substitute teachers.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Can't cool buses with just one person, there's a guy
or a man or woman whatever. It's just too much,
especially as the traffic and boss you.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Like, I think you made it. You made him well,
and I got two more. I got to get to
be because I got a guest coming up in ten.
Thanks Keith for calling, and I appreciate it so much.
Thank you. Let me go next to Dallas in Ohio. Dallas,
this is a crazy story. Dallas is in Akron, Ohio.
Hi Dallas, Hoya, Hi Dan, and hello Bosston.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Yes, this is a very confusing case. I've been following
it a little bits and pieces at a time, and
I'm confused as to the length of time that it's
taken in an investigation.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
By the way, Dallas, I'm not confused about it. I'm
appalled by it.
Speaker 8 (32:50):
Well, yeah, I agree, I agree, But in my opinion,
I believe there is a cover up, just like the
lady I believe from Rhode Island I had mentioned, and
someone is definitely being protected for some reason or another.
(33:11):
But if if I was, you know, the lead investigator
in that case, mark my word, I would be getting
some information out into the public.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
You know, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, no weeks. It's been pretty tightened up here, that's
for sure.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Yeah. Well, that that to me is a definite sign
in my opinion, that there's a cover up, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
No doubt in my mind.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Well, Dallas, I appreciate hearing from you. I want to
hear from you more often. But can you imagine if
this happened Acquin, would this take three months for some
action to be taken?
Speaker 8 (33:50):
No, and and and to be real quick. There was
a case here many many years ago. Young h student
got off of a school bus that was during Easter,
and he, the little kid, dropped his Easter basket as
he exited the bus, and the baskets fell, all the
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contents spread all out in the pavement, and the little
boy proceeded to pick the items up, and you know, well,
you know, the bus driver rode over him. Wow, and
little the little part it had died. But that was
a tragic accident.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And yeah, we don't know what has happened here. And
it is three months later. This is not a complicated stories.
This is not the Kennedy assassination. This is not even
the Trump attempted assassination. This is a little kid who
was cut down on a beautiful Monday afternoon in late April. Dallas,
love your calls, Keep keep in touch. I really do
(34:52):
appreciate your your loyalty to this program.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
My friend, I will Dan, and I'm going to email
you sometime.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
You got it brought, I'll will give you my direct email.
Rob give Dallas my direct email and my direct phone number. Okay,
he's a friend, all right, Gonna get one more in
here before the break. Tim in Woober and Tim next,
go right ahead, sir.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Hi, damn thanks to take you on. Song is an outrage.
It's an outrage.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, it sure is, UH and we're gonna we're gonna
keep We're gonna keep pushing it. I want an answer,
and I want it.
Speaker 9 (35:23):
I want than anything.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
They hit a camp of all the uh inschange with
this school boy company.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
It's an outrage.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well, I'll tell you you said it well, and you
said it directly, my friend. I appreciate it, UH for
I got you in link.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Thanks, Thank you, Tim, Thanks, Jim, you're welcome.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Okay, let me give Joe and Lynn. Joe you're late.
I'm gonna give you about thirty seconds, Max, But.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Thank you Dan.
Speaker 9 (35:49):
I greatly appreciate it. This happened in Boston, correct, Was
it right downtown Boston?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
No, it was like cret Park, Hype Park.
Speaker 9 (35:56):
Okay, sorry, Hye Park. But that's still a disgrace. We're
judging him fairly. The driver should have come forward, and
I'm surprised that the mayor didn't do anything. I hope
something is done about this because.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Three months it's I mean, it's it's way too late.
I mean, it's it's it's it's it is. There's no
reason why this should be this late, in my opinion,
has to come forward, the mayor has to come forward,
and the superintendent has to come forward.
Speaker 9 (36:24):
Is there a civil suit the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It was filed today. If you listen to the Hour,
I started the hour with that a civil suit has
been filed. But I want to know when justice is
going to be done, and I want to know who's
at fault, and I want to know what if there
is an investigation, and what is it found there. There
aren't complicated factors here. This is not the Kennedy assassination.
This is a kid who was run over by the
same school bus that he had just gotten off.
Speaker 9 (36:48):
And why did this happen? Why didn't they see him? Yeah,
they should have monitors.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You're asking the great question. Thank you, but I'm flat
out of time. Please call early. We got to go
here comes to ten o'clock news, going to talk about
rats in Boston. On the other side, we may get
later tonight to the firing of these two d Mulis
officials who were on our show earlier this month. Back
on Night's side after this
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