November 25, 2024 • 42 mins
Gary Tanguay Filled in on NightSide with Dan Rea.
In the wake of the 2024 presidential election in which Donald Trump took home the victory, many are questioning why a large chunk of women voted for Donald Trump. The exit polls show that overall roughly 46% of women voted for Trump. Why do you think that is? What is it that Trump campaigned on, that resonated with female voters? WBZ-TV political analyst Jon Keller as well as political analyst Anthony Russo joined Gary to discuss.
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In the wake of the 2024 presidential election in which Donald Trump took home the victory, many are questioning why a large chunk of women voted for Donald Trump. The exit polls show that overall roughly 46% of women voted for Trump. Why do you think that is? What is it that Trump campaigned on, that resonated with female voters? WBZ-TV political analyst Jon Keller as well as political analyst Anthony Russo joined Gary to discuss.
Ask Alexa to play WBZ NewsRadio on #iHeartRadio and listen to NightSide with Dan Rea Weeknights From 8PM-12AM!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY Boston's
news video.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you very much, Kyle. I will tell you off
the top, things are gonna be a little bit different
over the next couple of days. I am really burnt
when it comes to politics. I'm gonna we're gonna kick
off the show talking about politics. We are gonna do that,
but for the next couple of nights, I have to
tell you we're getting away from it. Okay, I'm spent,
(00:32):
I'm burnt. I gotta be honest with you. After the election,
I have shut off media. I really have, which for
as a talk show host is probably not the right
thing to say. So if I if I'm misinformed on something,
I'm gonna tell you right now. Don't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I was.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Just before the election. I was just swamped with it.
And it's not because Trump won, That's not it at all.
I was just burned out on all of it, just
all of it. And then of course the post doom
and gloom from the Democrats and from people who voted
(01:13):
for Kamala Harris is just nauseating to me. Drives me crazy.
The end of the world is coming. It's the end
of the world is not coming. It's not coming, all right,
It's we're going to be fine. Things didn't go the
way you wanted them to, and in hindsight, you shouldn't
(01:35):
be surprised. And I'll get to that in a minute.
But coming up on the show tonight, why women voted
for Trump? Now? Six seven thirty. If you are a
woman and you voted for Trump, just give me a
call right now and tell me why. I'm not going
to challenge you. I mean, you have every right, but
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forty six percent of women voted for Trump, according to Exopoles.
We reached out to three women to try to get
them on the show, and I could not get them
on the show. So then I went to my buddy,
John Keller from WBZTV CBS News Boston, political analyst John
Keller CBOUS News Boston to me, it's still Channel four,
(02:18):
it's WBZ. I'm sorry, And then political analyst Anthony Russo
will be joining us to talk about what happened with
the election and why women voted for Trump as opposed
to Kamma, especially women in their thirties. We thought this
brat coalition was going to be the difference women sixty
five plus sixty plus because they were concerned about social security.
(02:42):
The vice president received their votes, and also when it
came to minorities too, African Americans Latinos didn't go the
way the Dems thought. Now you know how I felt,
because I told you, and I have voted on both
sides of the isle. I have voted for Republicans, I
(03:03):
have voted for Democrats. And when Trump ran in twenty sixteen,
I called it. You can I'll have to get my
cousin Rob on the phone because he was there when
I said it. I said, this guy is going to win.
This guy's got momentum. And he had it again this
time around, and he won fair and square. He won
fair and square, there's no need for a recount, and
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so forth and so on. But I didn't vote for
him because of what happened on January sixth. That really
bothered me. That really got to me. That was that
happens in other countries, not here. Then you can make
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the argument, if he wasn't elected, it may have happened again.
The fact that he's in office means it might not happen.
That we might be more secure with these public outre
who knows it come from. It could come from the
other side of the isle. It could be an angry
mob of liberals attacking Congress. You don't know. I mean,
(04:10):
who knows. But the bottom line is it was the
lesser of two evils, even when you know, and now,
and I'm gonna ask John about this, we shouldn't be surprised.
But there's all kinds of rhetoric from the Republican side
about how it was a landslide victory, and you know,
(04:33):
it was on all the political Sunday morning shows. Other
Republicans came on, you know, Stephanopolis, John Carr was on
you know this week where they meet the press. Now,
the Republicans are saying a landslide victory, and it really
wasn't It was like one percent. I mean when it
comes to the popular vote, it was much closer than that.
(04:57):
But a win is a win is a win. So
but should we be surprised? I mean, this is what
the Republicans do. Trump has been lying ever since he
ran in twenty sixteen. And it doesn't matter because people
voted with their pocketbooks. That's what happened. But I was
shocked at the number of women that voted for him.
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I mean, this is a guy that is on tape.
He is on tape when he was talking. I can't
remember who's the guy. Uh oh, Bob Billy Bush, right,
Billy Bush, the nephew of George w or grand nephew
of George Herbert Walker whatever, who was on that Access
(05:39):
Hollywood thing. And he's talking to Trump and the Winnebago
and the tape is rolling and Trump is talking about
grabbing a woman's vagina. Of course I'm being kind. He
used the other term. And the charges that have been
you know, for paying prostitutes to shut up, sexual abuse,
sexually attacking women men, those charges have been dropped, by
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the way, because they're not going to prosecute a president.
Blah blah blah. Women don't care, No one cares, No
one cares, did not matter, did not incurate the equation. Now,
to be fair, Monica Lewinsky smoking the cigar in the
oval office, Bill Clinton, what's the diff Well, the diff
(06:26):
is that it seems like miss Lewinsky, there was a
it wasn't sexual assault. We had willing participants, as they say,
and the Trump charges that wasn't. That wasn't necessarily the case.
But we can't sit there and say on the Democrat
side of things that past presidents have had a high
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moral ground. I've always said, let's face it, when it
comes to power, there is something about men in power
and the attraction to multiple women. I mean, it's it's
been written about, it talked about allegedly obviously with John F. Kennedy,
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Martin Luther King, Donald Trump, Clinton, the big womanizer. Now,
I can't imagine Ronald Reagan would have dared to treat
a Nancy because she would have put his scrutaman of vice.
You know it, and I know it. If I'm Ronald Reagan,
there's no way I am not cheating on Nancy, No
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way in hell. I mean, but the fact that politicians
cheat on their significant others, we've just accepted it. No
one cares. They vote, They vote with their pocketbook. Minorities,
African Americans, Latinos, some people just can't vote for a woman.
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There are women that just can't vote for a woman.
I mean, Hillary Clinton should have won. She is so
who she's She was as qualified as her husband. She's
a brilliant woman, certainly more qualified than Trump. People didn't
like her, and you know what they looked at Kamala
(08:13):
Harris as a lightweight, and I get it. The only
thing she came out with was mid level tax breaks,
middle of coup tax breaks. Right, that was pretty much it.
But people want jobs, jobs, you know. But here's another
thing with jobs that I don't get. I mean, and
this is I'm gonna sound like a stupid suburban sob.
I went to a restaurant the other night and four
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or five tables were open, and they said, we can't
seat you. I said, what we could because we only
have one waiter. We can't find anybody else to work.
So it seems there are service jobs people don't want them.
I mean, I had a lot of friends when I
was young. I was always working in radio. And believe me,
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my friends who were waiters and bartenders when I was
working in radio when I was in my twenties or
making more money than me because they could make a
lot more on tips than I ever could make a
minimum wage spinning the disks and the platters of matter.
But people brought it with their pocketbook. They think, Okay,
the economy was good when Trump was anough it. You know,
(09:16):
it's interesting, there's some parallelism here, folks. When Clinton was
in office, the budget was balanced, the economy was great,
and he was messing around allegedly with a cigar and
Monica Lewinsky in the Oval office. Trump, the economy's great.
He's talking gibberish about COVID. He never made sense. Once
(09:38):
the guy gets up on stage and dances for three
minutes and doesn't say anything, and he talks about grabbing
a woman's genitals and says that she loves it. It's
on tape. So this guy's a disgusting pig, just like Clinton.
But you know what it's, I mean, stupid. If we
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think we can make a butt buck, we'll put Satan
in office. Absolutely. Okay. John Keller, who's much smarter than
I'm on this, is going to join me. Next we're
going to talk about Trump, the woman, the female vote,
that all that stuff. Anthony Russo too joined us later
in the hour. Then we're going to get into some
Patriots talk and also NFL talking general with Paul Perrilla.
(10:24):
Andy Gresh on frying a turkey at ten o'clock, The
Gresh Monster on deep frying a turkey, which scares the
hell out of me. I've heard too many stories. There
are too many stories on YouTube that you could see
or frying a turkey or burn a house down. And
my man, the freak from the Left Coast, Sam Mettler
(10:48):
joins us, and he said Trump's gonna win. He knew it,
he predicted it. We are technically directed by Rob Brooks
tonight and Lightning LaRosa, Marita LaRosa doing a great job
putting the show together. Tonight, John Keller joins, it's next
on WBC's Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Danner's the week off Gary Tank. We filling it for
Dan right tonight and tomorrow night Aaron WBC's night Side,
and we're doing our homework, folks. Yes, we are doing
a little bit of politics and then we're going to
get into the fun stuff. No heavy lifting this week,
That's what I say. John Keller is the man. I've
known him for a long time since we worked at
the TV station with a frog on the logo and
(11:35):
now political analyst John Keller joins us from CBS. John,
thanks are coming on. I just want to and I
want to say this. We tried to get women on.
I tried to get three political analysts. Who are women
to talk about this? And I couldn't do it. They
weren't available, they didn't want to talk to me. Whatever.
But the fact John, that women turned out for Trump?
(11:56):
How surprised are you?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So I'm the closest thing a woman you could get. Yes,
that's kind of grim, Gary. Yeah, you know women turned
out for Trump. Why wouldn't they because all women care
about his abortion rights?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No, we know.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That's not true, and and you know historically that that
hasn't necessarily been true. Yes, it's an important issue for
many women, But women in Massachusetts and elsewhere are driven
by James Carville's old maxim. Gary. You know, the economy
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is number one, particularly when the economy is tough, And
I would argue, at the risk of you know, sounding
politically incorrect, that women, as the more common caretakers of
the family budget, are even more sensitive than men are
too economic pressures, inflation, housing costs, transportation costs, you name it.
(13:07):
So it doesn't surprise me one bit that even here
in Massachusetts you saw a drift of women. I would
argue more away from Bikeen than toward Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, yeah, I mean, yes, yes, yes, yeah, the lesser
of two evils in their mind.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, and you know it. That's the way it works.
The incumbent gets the blame for the way things are.
Trump was blamed for how terrible things were in the
fall of twenty twenty by many voters enough to elect
Joe Biden from his basement. And now it was Biden's
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turn in the torture shaper. And so, you know, I
don't think it should come as a surprise, and I
think it's it's in here in Massachusetts with what I
have called in writing, I've done about this sort of
the purpling of the Massachusetts electorate. You know, every once
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in a while we're supposedly the bluest state, right, but
every once in a while we like a Republican in there.
We have the string of Republican governors that was the
Scott Brown uprising of twenty ten. And look, people, voters
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are willing to overlook a lot in times of stress,
economic stress, a bizarre and unhappy situation like the period
after nine to eleven when Bush was re elected, and
a lot of voters will overlook disagreements they might have,
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women might have with a candidate on a or they
might overlook a low view of the candidate's character in
order to vote for them. They did it for Bill
Clinton in nineteen ninety six, and a lot of them
did it for Donald Trump this year.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Gary Well, I just mentioned Clinton off the top of
the show because the hole Monica Lewinsky thing and the
cigar in the office, and Trump is recorded with Billy Bush,
you know, talking about women's body parts and grabbing them,
And I go, you can make the say on's a Democrat,
whence a Republican. Nobody cares, you know, like nobody cares women.
They know, Okay, that's fine, they're both pigs. What are
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they going to do for my pocketbook? I mean, that's
that's where That's kind of where we're at, where we're
at with this, I think. But I want to get
I have talked to a lot of women who are
very smart, educated, and going back to Hillary, they did
not like her. They just didn't like her, but they
knew she was smart. I mean, she's obviously a rugged woman.
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She's not exactly the most friendly woman in the world.
Now here we go, Kamala. Now, she's not look to
be an attorney, to be a to accomplish what she
has accomplished. She's obviously not stupid, but I think some
women viewed her as a lightweight. What did she stand for?
Is she just all about the laugh? What's going on here?
(16:21):
Is she just hanging out with Oprah?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean that's what I kind of felt people thought
about Harris. She was a lightweight.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
She came across I'll shy away from the lightweight term,
but she certainly did come across as a typical Paul
you know, the non answer, right right, right right? The
ducking the press for a while. Interesting how everybody hates
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the press until a candidate starts ducking them, and then
everybody wants that candidate to sit down and talk to
the press. But that's a whole other issue. Look, the
premise that women are going to vote for a woman
because she's a woman is definitely not true. Some will,
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some will, of course, but some won't. And some women
aggressively won't vote for a woman. And you can say
that about any other ethnic group. This is why identity
politics has turned out to be such a bust for
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the Democrats, right, because it's just not as potent has
perhaps it once was.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, I could tell you I've talked to some you know,
I have. My son is, you know, nineteen, and you know,
I talk to a lot of his friends and some
and just because you're nineteen twenty twenty, that doesn't mean
you're a demic anymore. It doesn't. It does not. Some
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I've talked to some of these kids in college and stuff.
They're thinking with their pocketbook. They all have their own
stock market accounts, they're all thinking about being self employed.
They don't they realize that you're not going to have
a thirty five year gold watch. So I think the
idea that the Brat generation for men and women is
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liberal is a mistake.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Certainly not automatically liberal, right, you know, even in a
place like Massachusetts. You know, I've as I've been talking
to groups and such since the election. My snappy little
over generalization that I've been giving them is that this
was to some extent a barstool election. And to those
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that don't know, Barstool Sports is a very popular website
that caters to young men and some young women, but
mainly young men, you know, the mid teens up into
the late twenties and maybe a little bit beyond. Sixty
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six million regular viewers of that website, and the attitude
toward politics that prevails on barstool is there are all
a bunch of bombs. Who's going to help me make money?
And you know you gave the litany pretty well, who's tough,
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who's tough on crime? Right? Tougher? So this is kind
of a red meat eating political demographic and it's very potent,
and that they were Trump all the way.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I just remember when Barstool was a newspaper and when Portnoy,
I won't call him Priz, I call him Portnoy' I
refused to call him and he used to just rip
me and it would be on a bar, it would
be on a literally in a barstool, and it was
a newspaper. Was tangwe is a blank hole because I
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said something about the Celtics of the Patriots. Who knows, right,
But I was on the headline of Barstool. It's like
I tell my son that, Like, you know, I was
on the headline of Barstool before it was a website.
And boy, I mean Dave Portnoy and you can say
there's a lot of there's there's a lot going on there,
but man, that thing took off just like Rogan. Look
at Rogan, right, I mean people say Trump, maybe Rogan
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won the election for Trump. Three hundred and thirty million
people watched it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And you know this doesn't lend itself to traditional definitions
political distinctions like conservative or or reactionary. I mean mean
this is more neolistic.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And and you know, listen, how how irredeemable is anyone
who would criticize Gary Tangling that way? I mean it's
a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I got street credit with my kid when I told
him that. Still, if I see I go Portne, I
can't believe you pull this off. I remember when the
guy was like he had nothing, and look what happened.
I mean, same thing with Rogan. I mean Rogan, he's
a Boston guy too. Rogan was a comedian just and
he stumbled onto this and look, boom crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
He still is a comedian.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well yeah, I mean it's all entertainment. That's the thing.
You know something that's it's all entertainment, all of.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
It, right, Well, you know that that's what sells. And listen. Uh.
Whatever your opinion of Donald Trump, of his character, of
anything having to do with him, his confidence, et cetera,
there is no denying that he is the most brilliant
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self marketer of our of modern times, no question. I
mean he has made more out of less than any
living American. And to the extent that politics has just
become enfotainment and is all about the marketing, then no
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wonder he's achieved such remarkable success. And you know, that's
that's the way. If that's the way the game is played.
You know, in the NBA, to use the sports analogy here,
if three punt shooting is the way you win the
title and that's what the Celtics do better than anybody else, well,
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you know what, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
If it offends some basketball s feats because they don't
like the three pointer, too bad.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
My hero John Havlichek is looking down and shaking his head.
Always hated the three. Hondo hated the three, just like
I did a podcast with Bob Ryan today. Still hates
the three, but it's here to stay. John, have a
good Thanksgiving. Thank you for coming on. Good to talk
to you again.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Gary. It's great to hear your voice anytime, especially great
to hear you on night side. You do a great
job selling in for Dad.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Have it fun. Thanks John, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Take care sure things by bye.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Okay, He's the best. John Keller, I worked with him
a Channel fifty six. Smart guy, bright guy, nails it
every time. You can catch him on WBZ TV CBS
News Boston. Anthony Russo is going to join us next.
Then we're gonna get into some NFL talk and just
do people even care about the patriots? That's coming up
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at nine o'clock right here with Paul Perila and WBZ.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Night Side Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Rightyle, thanks a lot. I appreciated Gary Tangway for Dan
Ray tonight. We're doing the homework till nine o'clock. Forty
six percent of women voting for Trump according to exit polls.
Just talk to my buddy, John Keller. We are going
to talk about the dismal New England patriots, but I
also want to talk about the rest of the NFL
as well. With Paul Perilla. Coming up at nine, Andy
Gresh joins us, talking about frying turkey and the craziest
(24:21):
things you've ever had for Thanksgiving. Plus our moderate from California,
which makes him a Republican out there, is going to
join us. Sam Bettler at eleven o'clock. All right, Anthony
Russer was there, Anthony, how are you? Thanks for joining
us here on night side.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Pretty good? How you doing well?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
We're doing fine. Thanks. So I'm gonna ask you. Like
I said, I try to get women on political nis.
I put calls out to three different people and I couldn't,
so I rather than wing it, I wanted to talk
to somebody that knows what they're talking about. I was
not surprised that forty six percent of women voted for
Donald Trump. Were you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Not at all? And I think that again, it's a
ques effect. Why it's that made the swing because I
think the Democrats are expecting a sixty forty split on women,
which would have taken the election, especially considering white suburban women,
and they just did not get those numbers.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I think the Democrats are tone deaf. Now, in
full disclosure, I voted for Harris. I voted Democrats. The
whole January sixth thing bothered me. Yeah, it really bothered me.
Like I if that didn't happen, I could have seen
myself voting for Trump. I really could have because I
was looking at Kamala Harris going I don't know if
I don't, but Joe Biden could not run again, could
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not do it. And I was looking at you know, Harris,
I go, I don't know what's going on here, but
the January sixth thing threw me the other way.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But there's I think the reporting on the January sixth
thing is actually what was one of the the detractors
from women, especially the white woman vote to going wait
a second, I know some people that might have been there.
I was one of them. There's people that had a
little bit more knowledge. I think the way that they
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represented it the January sixth committee, I think a lot
of the if people started to pay attention closer to
the election, when some of the information got released, that
a lot of that was trumped up. The fact that
Pelosi really kind of knew that there was partially her
fault with the video with her and her daughter in
the car. I think that that's way not a huge amount,
but one or two percent of people started to shift.
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There's a lot of reasons, like Kamala Harris being this
selection that did people instead of instead of obviously doing
a democratic process. But I think women started to see
through that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Can you explain to detail. What do you say in
specifically about January sixth, What are you speaking of that
it wasn't as worse as as worse as betrayed.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well, right, if it's a if it's an armed insurrection,
then then they didn't arrest anybody that had actual fire
arms on them.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
There was Well yeah, but I mean look, Anthony, I mean,
come on, man, I mean a guard died. I know,
I mean they went they went over barricade.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah. Wait wait, wait when did a guard die?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Wait one of the one of the one of the
the security people from in the capitol had a heart attack.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
No, no, that's actually completely not true. Not a single
police officer our guard died that day. Three days later,
there was somebody that died.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
That was that they had claimed it been hit by
a fire hydrant. He died of a stroke, which was
twelfth page in the newspaper a few days later, saying
that it actually was completely unrelated to.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Anything January sixth.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Oh, I don't think it was a good day in
our in our history at all. Like, I think it
looked very bad. I think all all the different metrics
were were not good. I don't think Trump handled it incorrectly.
He never told people to riot or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Anthony, he certainly didn't tell him to stand down.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Well he did it afternoon.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, was a little late. I mean, come on, come on, Trump,
what happened?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Well we got in fact, I don't I don't think
he wanted that to happen. I think it was actually
a pretty big trap that worked really well for the
Democrats for several years. But I got to ask a
question again. I like to be middle ground. I know
I was at January sixth. I was there because I
thought it was a good event to be at, to
see it firsthand. I think it was important. But as
somebody that is a newsman or somebody on the radio,
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the fact that even you are still representing a fact
that didn't happen. There was no guard that died of
a heart attack that day, the fact he died three.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
He died three days later. So what's the difference A
guy still died. Come on, people, Anthony, and I'm not
gonna I don't want to We're going to disagree on this.
I don't care what.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I don't care what you're misrepresenting. Fact.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I am Oh, come on with Anthony, please, are you
are you serious? People went over barricades, they went tramping
through the halls. You had the vice president that was
escorted out because you was concerned for his safety. You
can't justify that. You can't justify that it.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Was a bad day. I just said it was a
bad day day and it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Worked, and keep Trump did another come on, it was
an awful day. Yeah, it happens in other countries. That
doesn't happen here.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
So so again, I know we're supposed to be talking
about the female vote, but when we're talking about details
of a day, you're talking about people, you know, destroying
the capital. And there was there was. Out of the
half a million people that were that were in part
of January sixth, there was one hundred to one hundred
and fifty very bad people. And I will one hundred
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percent agree with you. It was a blemish. It was
a dark spot on our country, especially the way that
it looked, the optics, et cetera. So do you realize, though,
that out of the eight or eight hundred or so
people that went through the halls, most of them were
literally just walking around taking pictures, including somebody that I
knew that was arrested and ended up spending two years
(29:51):
in a jail for what ended up being a one
month sentence because he didn't get his due process. But again,
I do think the details are important when people believe
that somebody like a guard or a police officer died
that day. And out of the one hundred and fifty
reports of injuries of police officers, it turns out the
bulk of them, almost ninety five percent of them were
(30:12):
part of a smoke inhlation. Based on the fact that
there was the smoke bombs that went off in the
police area. These are some of the facts that people
don't represent correctly. Again, I will agree with you, it
was a very bad day for the history of this country,
but it's important to make sure the correct details, not
the January sixth committee details that were very one sided,
didn't present the whole pitch for show all the discovery
(30:33):
that people have seen in the actual court case.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Let me put it this way, if Trump handled it differently,
and if January sixth doesn't happen, I might have voted
for the guy. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter
because I mean, you know he won't always. Let'sten, all right,
let's get off that. Let's just get off that. Here's
the thing, there are just women. There are just some
women who will not vote for women.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
That's I'll agree with that, definitely. There's a there is
a group there. I think my mom would almost fall
into one of them. And I was raised a Democrat,
lifelong Democrats. She was a Democrat. She's still very pro choice,
and I think that she speaks for a lot of
women in that fifty five to seventy five age category
that still don't believe a woman could probably lead the country.
(31:19):
I'm not as a forty two year old male, I
don't believe that. I think Tulca Gabbard would be an
incredibly strong president. I think Kamala Harris was the wrong
one to break the ceiling. Hillary Clinton wrong one to
break the ceiling. I think the Democrats are out of
touch with what kind of woman America would be okay
with leading the country. And I think that was one
of the big problems. And you're right women women are
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very critical of other women, and I think that Kamala
Harris was a perfect example of a candidate that did
not that did not show faith in the female vote.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Agree we agree on that and want to I want
to think further on the Democrats. I think the Democrats
and I voted both ways. I mean, if you I'm
registered as a Democrat, but I voted Republican and I
could have definitely gone for Trump. If this genuaryis GENUISTIX
hadn't happened, we won't go down the road again. I
want to. I want to talk about the Democrats because
(32:12):
I think they're really in trouble. That's coming up next.
Anthony Russo joins us here on w bz's Night Side.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Garry tang Way for day tonight. Anthony russ is joining
us here on WBZ Political Analysts. Okay, oh, before before
I continue, I just saw this today, Donald Trump Junior
bought thirty nine hundred acres in Maine. Do you see that.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I wouldn't be surprised. He loves the he loves the outdoors.
Maine's probably one of the most beautiful places I've ever
been in the country.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Well, I grew up there. It depends. It's it's you know,
I grew up in a small town, five thousand people
in a milltown. But I was shocked thirty nine, what
the hell are you going to do? Well, actual, they're
gonna it must be inland because they're still going to
use it for timber. But I just found that very
interesting that he thirty nine.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It could be a hunting a big hunting property. I
would bet man.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, I think there were also it's definitely not on
the coast, but it could be a hunting property, and
they're going to continue to lease it and use it
for forestry, yeah, for street situation. Okay, So one of
the things that happened here, you know, you talk about
Hillary Clinton. You know I knew a lot of women
(33:31):
that just didn't like her. Kamala Harris, do you think
the Democrats would have had a better chance if Biden
had stepped aside, not run for a second turn like
he said, and they would have gone with some of
the other candidates, for example, like the governor of Pennsylvania
or the governor of Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Well, I definitely would have been a better chance. And honestly,
just real quick on the female thing, I think and
even though I said Telsey Gabbert, I think the concern
female is going to have a better shot because it's
going to be harder to turn conservative voters to a female.
So if you have a female conservative, I think that
that will start to the Democrats will possibly lean in
(34:11):
a little bit to that. But to your point in
terms of if they should have done it earlier, absolutely
then we would have had a fair race. Then the
republic they could have continued the speaking points against Donald
Trump that were very effective to make the race as
close as it was. But I think that they they
they could have chose somebody that actually was popular. They
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could not have quote unquote circumvented democracy by essentially just
making her their candidate, and that would that's one of
the big points that I think the Republicans were playing on.
They were playing on obviously the ultra woke ideologies and
the far leftist transgender movement as part of their speaking points,
but I think that one of their keys is, all right,
if you guys are talking about us being a threat
(34:54):
to democracy, how is it that you circumvented democracy in
your process. So I think if they had a fair
affair run at it, I think Shapiro I think would
have been a really great choice. But for them, I
think would have made it a little bit more fair.
The bench for the Democrats isn't as deep as it
sometimes is, so I you know, Kentucky, either way, that
would have been a better option, and I do think
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it would have been a much closer race.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Anthony Russo here joined this political analyst here on WBC. Okay,
so what do you think about some of the selections
by Trump, for example, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, first
female chief of staff, Attorney General Pam Brooks, Homeland Security,
Labor un ambassador strong I mean a strong female presence
(35:42):
with the Trump presidency.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah, I believe it's ten or eleven. Which is it
tenor I can't it's ten or eleven. Is the number
of females that he selected, which is double that of
his first administration. There's a little bit more of a
wide variety. Obviously, they're still gonna look at the fact
that the racial disparity is not as much as they
would like as a general populace just looking for the
(36:08):
kind of the dee high numbers to match up. But
in terms of strong females, he's putting them in positions
as they've never been before. So I think it bodes
well for the females that were maybe on the fence
and ended up voting for Trump and going on, I
don't know. I hope he does the right thing. I
think for them, he's proving to them he is doing
the right thing, and he is going towards strong females,
(36:31):
not just females because they're female, but females because they're
strong females that actually can make an impact in the cabinet.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What do you think about Kennedy with the Health and
Services Secretary, mister Nonvaxer, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Based on our j sixth start to the conversation, You're
probably not gonna like this. I'm a huge RFK fan.
I he was one of my keys to why I
was actually excited to vote for Donald Trump this time.
Is I I've been raised in natural wellness and health
my whole life. My mom is a chiropractor, graduated thirty
years ago, and I have always been on the side
(37:08):
of airing of caution towards big pharma. I think our
food is the biggest issue. You've got Democrat Corey Booker
speaking on behalf of RFK and the need to really
take a deep dive into our food program. The fact
that we're the most obese country in the world.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, that I agree with you on that. I mean,
I'm not going to disagree with that at all. Yeah,
but here's the thing. Did you see that, Tana. Do
you see that picture of everybody on air on Trump's
plane eating McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
McDonald's and it looked like RFK Junior was a yeah, RFK,
he's got huge balls. He's also what he's doing is
completely alienating his family. That is the establishment of democrats.
He I mean he is and his I mean his
wife is deep in Hollywood, and it's like he's doing
something that will get him completely turned off. And it's
(37:55):
his police system. You can disagree with the police system,
but you can't say the sellout in any way, shape
or He firmly believes this. He went through a lot
of litigation in cases that it caused him to say, Look,
I don't think when we say anti vaxxer, I think
that kind of paints kind of a little bit too
dark of a picture. I think he wants the accountability
(38:15):
and informed consent. He wants people to realize there is
a chance of some harm based on all of the
litigation that he prosecuted in the eighties, nineties. In early
two thousand, then it's all based on the same way
he feels about bad water and the same way he
feels about things like aluminum and not mercury in vaccines.
(38:36):
So he's got a belief system that he'll stand by.
And I think he just wants accountability, which would reverse
what Reagan put into place.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
In the eighties.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
He wants the ability to make sure that vaccines, if
there is something harmful in them, that they can actually
be prosecuted, because at this point they're not allowed.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, I got a few minutes here, Anthony, but it
seems to me everything's flip flopped. The Democrats are the
establish You get Clooney coming in, you got Oprah coming in,
and everybody's saying, well, what the hell do I have
in common with them? You know? Or jay Z and
people from all backgrounds are going, I have nothing in
(39:14):
common with this party.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
And it's even right, And it's even more kind of
it's even more disgusting when you look at the fact
that not only do you not have anything in common,
You're right, it's the establishment, it's the ultra wealthy. On
top of it, you're now finding out how much these
people were paid to stand on a stage and Oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I was shocked. I listen. I was ashamed. I was
I was shocked and ashamed the production costs, like for
Oprah to do they had to pay. I was like,
these people aren't doing it for free, right. I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
And if something comes out that the Republican some of
the celebrity, I mean, there wasn't a ton of celebrities,
but if they were paid, and from every aspect that
I see and every aspect that they've talked about, Trump
didn't have to pay a celebrity a they were honored
to come speak, or they're bold enough because again it's
a huge risk to the career to speak on behalf
of Donald Trump. So I do think that it's interesting
(40:10):
to see that not only is it an establishment party,
it's the big money party. It's the party that is
you have to pay them to be spokespeople and then
to mismanage over a billion dollars. I think in retrospect,
even somebody that is very sounds like very middle ground,
like you, you probably go, well, we might, we might be
in better hands at this point.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Well let me and we have to go. I'm not
like some of my friends. I'm not doing mcgloom, Like
when somebody said moved to Canada. I go, that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous. It's going to be fine, folks. It's not
the end of the world. It's not the end of
the United States. That I do believe, Anthony. I really
appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I appreciate you. I love this conversation. This is fun.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, next time I'm on,
I'll have you on. But it's not the end of
the world. Like people talking about, oh my god, Trump.
I go, no, it's going to be fine, you know.
And you know, hell, at my place in life, I'll
probably benefit, you know, I mean where just where I am,
I'll probably benefit from Trump. So you know, it's not
(41:10):
the end of the world. It's not it's not that's
not gonna happen, you know. And everybody's talking about my
friend the people are going to be deported and all this.
I'm like, just settle down, just settle down, Okay, it's
not the end of the world. You lost an election,
get over it, all right, Anthony, thank you for joining us.
We'll talk to you again later.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Okay, taking here, Anthony Russo Jonas, very very good conversation,
very good conversation, exchange of ideas. But yeah, I mean
Trump's got ten eleven females in his cabinet and the
first sheaf of staff. It's got to be interesting. Man,
strap In, folks, is going to be a crazy ride.
I've done my homework. I've talked about politics. Coming up
(41:54):
in the next three hours, the NFL frying a turkey,
and my good friend and the Freak from the Lost
Coast on everything political and entertainment. Sam Miller coming up
at eleven o'clock. We're just getting started here on WBZ.
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY Boston's
news video.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you very much, Kyle. I will tell you off
the top, things are gonna be a little bit different
over the next couple of days. I am really burnt
when it comes to politics. I'm gonna we're gonna kick
off the show talking about politics. We are gonna do that,
but for the next couple of nights, I have to
tell you we're getting away from it. Okay, I'm spent,
(00:32):
I'm burnt. I gotta be honest with you. After the election,
I have shut off media. I really have, which for
as a talk show host is probably not the right
thing to say. So if I if I'm misinformed on something,
I'm gonna tell you right now. Don't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I was.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Just before the election. I was just swamped with it.
And it's not because Trump won, That's not it at all.
I was just burned out on all of it, just
all of it. And then of course the post doom
and gloom from the Democrats and from people who voted
(01:13):
for Kamala Harris is just nauseating to me. Drives me crazy.
The end of the world is coming. It's the end
of the world is not coming. It's not coming, all right,
It's we're going to be fine. Things didn't go the
way you wanted them to, and in hindsight, you shouldn't
(01:35):
be surprised. And I'll get to that in a minute.
But coming up on the show tonight, why women voted
for Trump? Now? Six seven thirty. If you are a
woman and you voted for Trump, just give me a
call right now and tell me why. I'm not going
to challenge you. I mean, you have every right, but
(01:56):
forty six percent of women voted for Trump, according to Exopoles.
We reached out to three women to try to get
them on the show, and I could not get them
on the show. So then I went to my buddy,
John Keller from WBZTV CBS News Boston, political analyst John
Keller CBOUS News Boston to me, it's still Channel four,
(02:18):
it's WBZ. I'm sorry, And then political analyst Anthony Russo
will be joining us to talk about what happened with
the election and why women voted for Trump as opposed
to Kamma, especially women in their thirties. We thought this
brat coalition was going to be the difference women sixty
five plus sixty plus because they were concerned about social security.
(02:42):
The vice president received their votes, and also when it
came to minorities too, African Americans Latinos didn't go the
way the Dems thought. Now you know how I felt,
because I told you, and I have voted on both
sides of the isle. I have voted for Republicans, I
(03:03):
have voted for Democrats. And when Trump ran in twenty sixteen,
I called it. You can I'll have to get my
cousin Rob on the phone because he was there when
I said it. I said, this guy is going to win.
This guy's got momentum. And he had it again this
time around, and he won fair and square. He won
fair and square, there's no need for a recount, and
(03:24):
so forth and so on. But I didn't vote for
him because of what happened on January sixth. That really
bothered me. That really got to me. That was that
happens in other countries, not here. Then you can make
(03:47):
the argument, if he wasn't elected, it may have happened again.
The fact that he's in office means it might not happen.
That we might be more secure with these public outre
who knows it come from. It could come from the
other side of the isle. It could be an angry
mob of liberals attacking Congress. You don't know. I mean,
(04:10):
who knows. But the bottom line is it was the
lesser of two evils, even when you know, and now,
and I'm gonna ask John about this, we shouldn't be surprised.
But there's all kinds of rhetoric from the Republican side
about how it was a landslide victory, and you know,
(04:33):
it was on all the political Sunday morning shows. Other
Republicans came on, you know, Stephanopolis, John Carr was on
you know this week where they meet the press. Now,
the Republicans are saying a landslide victory, and it really
wasn't It was like one percent. I mean when it
comes to the popular vote, it was much closer than that.
(04:57):
But a win is a win is a win. So
but should we be surprised? I mean, this is what
the Republicans do. Trump has been lying ever since he
ran in twenty sixteen. And it doesn't matter because people
voted with their pocketbooks. That's what happened. But I was
shocked at the number of women that voted for him.
(05:19):
I mean, this is a guy that is on tape.
He is on tape when he was talking. I can't
remember who's the guy. Uh oh, Bob Billy Bush, right,
Billy Bush, the nephew of George w or grand nephew
of George Herbert Walker whatever, who was on that Access
(05:39):
Hollywood thing. And he's talking to Trump and the Winnebago
and the tape is rolling and Trump is talking about
grabbing a woman's vagina. Of course I'm being kind. He
used the other term. And the charges that have been
you know, for paying prostitutes to shut up, sexual abuse,
sexually attacking women men, those charges have been dropped, by
(06:01):
the way, because they're not going to prosecute a president.
Blah blah blah. Women don't care, No one cares, No
one cares, did not matter, did not incurate the equation. Now,
to be fair, Monica Lewinsky smoking the cigar in the
oval office, Bill Clinton, what's the diff Well, the diff
(06:26):
is that it seems like miss Lewinsky, there was a
it wasn't sexual assault. We had willing participants, as they say,
and the Trump charges that wasn't. That wasn't necessarily the case.
But we can't sit there and say on the Democrat
side of things that past presidents have had a high
(06:49):
moral ground. I've always said, let's face it, when it
comes to power, there is something about men in power
and the attraction to multiple women. I mean, it's it's
been written about, it talked about allegedly obviously with John F. Kennedy,
(07:10):
Martin Luther King, Donald Trump, Clinton, the big womanizer. Now,
I can't imagine Ronald Reagan would have dared to treat
a Nancy because she would have put his scrutaman of vice.
You know it, and I know it. If I'm Ronald Reagan,
there's no way I am not cheating on Nancy, No
(07:33):
way in hell. I mean, but the fact that politicians
cheat on their significant others, we've just accepted it. No
one cares. They vote, They vote with their pocketbook. Minorities,
African Americans, Latinos, some people just can't vote for a woman.
(07:53):
There are women that just can't vote for a woman.
I mean, Hillary Clinton should have won. She is so
who she's She was as qualified as her husband. She's
a brilliant woman, certainly more qualified than Trump. People didn't
like her, and you know what they looked at Kamala
(08:13):
Harris as a lightweight, and I get it. The only
thing she came out with was mid level tax breaks,
middle of coup tax breaks. Right, that was pretty much it.
But people want jobs, jobs, you know. But here's another
thing with jobs that I don't get. I mean, and
this is I'm gonna sound like a stupid suburban sob.
I went to a restaurant the other night and four
(08:35):
or five tables were open, and they said, we can't
seat you. I said, what we could because we only
have one waiter. We can't find anybody else to work.
So it seems there are service jobs people don't want them.
I mean, I had a lot of friends when I
was young. I was always working in radio. And believe me,
(08:56):
my friends who were waiters and bartenders when I was
working in radio when I was in my twenties or
making more money than me because they could make a
lot more on tips than I ever could make a
minimum wage spinning the disks and the platters of matter.
But people brought it with their pocketbook. They think, Okay,
the economy was good when Trump was anough it. You know,
(09:16):
it's interesting, there's some parallelism here, folks. When Clinton was
in office, the budget was balanced, the economy was great,
and he was messing around allegedly with a cigar and
Monica Lewinsky in the Oval office. Trump, the economy's great.
He's talking gibberish about COVID. He never made sense. Once
(09:38):
the guy gets up on stage and dances for three
minutes and doesn't say anything, and he talks about grabbing
a woman's genitals and says that she loves it. It's
on tape. So this guy's a disgusting pig, just like Clinton.
But you know what it's, I mean, stupid. If we
(10:03):
think we can make a butt buck, we'll put Satan
in office. Absolutely. Okay. John Keller, who's much smarter than
I'm on this, is going to join me. Next we're
going to talk about Trump, the woman, the female vote,
that all that stuff. Anthony Russo too joined us later
in the hour. Then we're going to get into some
Patriots talk and also NFL talking general with Paul Perrilla.
(10:24):
Andy Gresh on frying a turkey at ten o'clock, The
Gresh Monster on deep frying a turkey, which scares the
hell out of me. I've heard too many stories. There
are too many stories on YouTube that you could see
or frying a turkey or burn a house down. And
my man, the freak from the Left Coast, Sam Mettler
(10:48):
joins us, and he said Trump's gonna win. He knew it,
he predicted it. We are technically directed by Rob Brooks
tonight and Lightning LaRosa, Marita LaRosa doing a great job
putting the show together. Tonight, John Keller joins, it's next
on WBC's Nightside.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Danner's the week off Gary Tank. We filling it for
Dan right tonight and tomorrow night Aaron WBC's night Side,
and we're doing our homework, folks. Yes, we are doing
a little bit of politics and then we're going to
get into the fun stuff. No heavy lifting this week,
That's what I say. John Keller is the man. I've
known him for a long time since we worked at
the TV station with a frog on the logo and
(11:35):
now political analyst John Keller joins us from CBS. John,
thanks are coming on. I just want to and I
want to say this. We tried to get women on.
I tried to get three political analysts. Who are women
to talk about this? And I couldn't do it. They
weren't available, they didn't want to talk to me. Whatever.
But the fact John, that women turned out for Trump?
(11:56):
How surprised are you?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So I'm the closest thing a woman you could get. Yes,
that's kind of grim, Gary. Yeah, you know women turned
out for Trump. Why wouldn't they because all women care
about his abortion rights?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No, we know.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That's not true, and and you know historically that that
hasn't necessarily been true. Yes, it's an important issue for
many women, But women in Massachusetts and elsewhere are driven
by James Carville's old maxim. Gary. You know, the economy
(12:38):
is number one, particularly when the economy is tough, And
I would argue, at the risk of you know, sounding
politically incorrect, that women, as the more common caretakers of
the family budget, are even more sensitive than men are
too economic pressures, inflation, housing costs, transportation costs, you name it.
(13:07):
So it doesn't surprise me one bit that even here
in Massachusetts you saw a drift of women. I would
argue more away from Bikeen than toward Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Well, yeah, I mean, yes, yes, yes, yeah, the lesser
of two evils in their mind.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, and you know it. That's the way it works.
The incumbent gets the blame for the way things are.
Trump was blamed for how terrible things were in the
fall of twenty twenty by many voters enough to elect
Joe Biden from his basement. And now it was Biden's
(13:51):
turn in the torture shaper. And so, you know, I
don't think it should come as a surprise, and I
think it's it's in here in Massachusetts with what I
have called in writing, I've done about this sort of
the purpling of the Massachusetts electorate. You know, every once
(14:15):
in a while we're supposedly the bluest state, right, but
every once in a while we like a Republican in there.
We have the string of Republican governors that was the
Scott Brown uprising of twenty ten. And look, people, voters
(14:36):
are willing to overlook a lot in times of stress,
economic stress, a bizarre and unhappy situation like the period
after nine to eleven when Bush was re elected, and
a lot of voters will overlook disagreements they might have,
(14:57):
women might have with a candidate on a or they
might overlook a low view of the candidate's character in
order to vote for them. They did it for Bill
Clinton in nineteen ninety six, and a lot of them
did it for Donald Trump this year.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Gary Well, I just mentioned Clinton off the top of
the show because the hole Monica Lewinsky thing and the
cigar in the office, and Trump is recorded with Billy Bush,
you know, talking about women's body parts and grabbing them,
And I go, you can make the say on's a Democrat,
whence a Republican. Nobody cares, you know, like nobody cares women.
They know, Okay, that's fine, they're both pigs. What are
(15:37):
they going to do for my pocketbook? I mean, that's
that's where That's kind of where we're at, where we're
at with this, I think. But I want to get
I have talked to a lot of women who are
very smart, educated, and going back to Hillary, they did
not like her. They just didn't like her, but they
knew she was smart. I mean, she's obviously a rugged woman.
(16:01):
She's not exactly the most friendly woman in the world.
Now here we go, Kamala. Now, she's not look to
be an attorney, to be a to accomplish what she
has accomplished. She's obviously not stupid, but I think some
women viewed her as a lightweight. What did she stand for?
Is she just all about the laugh? What's going on here?
(16:21):
Is she just hanging out with Oprah?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean that's what I kind of felt people thought
about Harris. She was a lightweight.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
She came across I'll shy away from the lightweight term,
but she certainly did come across as a typical Paul
you know, the non answer, right right, right right? The
ducking the press for a while. Interesting how everybody hates
(16:50):
the press until a candidate starts ducking them, and then
everybody wants that candidate to sit down and talk to
the press. But that's a whole other issue. Look, the
premise that women are going to vote for a woman
because she's a woman is definitely not true. Some will,
(17:12):
some will, of course, but some won't. And some women
aggressively won't vote for a woman. And you can say
that about any other ethnic group. This is why identity
politics has turned out to be such a bust for
(17:34):
the Democrats, right, because it's just not as potent has
perhaps it once was.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, I could tell you I've talked to some you know,
I have. My son is, you know, nineteen, and you know,
I talk to a lot of his friends and some
and just because you're nineteen twenty twenty, that doesn't mean
you're a demic anymore. It doesn't. It does not. Some
(18:04):
I've talked to some of these kids in college and stuff.
They're thinking with their pocketbook. They all have their own
stock market accounts, they're all thinking about being self employed.
They don't they realize that you're not going to have
a thirty five year gold watch. So I think the
idea that the Brat generation for men and women is
(18:28):
liberal is a mistake.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Certainly not automatically liberal, right, you know, even in a
place like Massachusetts. You know, I've as I've been talking
to groups and such since the election. My snappy little
over generalization that I've been giving them is that this
was to some extent a barstool election. And to those
(18:54):
that don't know, Barstool Sports is a very popular website
that caters to young men and some young women, but
mainly young men, you know, the mid teens up into
the late twenties and maybe a little bit beyond. Sixty
(19:18):
six million regular viewers of that website, and the attitude
toward politics that prevails on barstool is there are all
a bunch of bombs. Who's going to help me make money?
And you know you gave the litany pretty well, who's tough,
(19:41):
who's tough on crime? Right? Tougher? So this is kind
of a red meat eating political demographic and it's very potent,
and that they were Trump all the way.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I just remember when Barstool was a newspaper and when Portnoy,
I won't call him Priz, I call him Portnoy' I
refused to call him and he used to just rip
me and it would be on a bar, it would
be on a literally in a barstool, and it was
a newspaper. Was tangwe is a blank hole because I
(20:20):
said something about the Celtics of the Patriots. Who knows, right,
But I was on the headline of Barstool. It's like
I tell my son that, Like, you know, I was
on the headline of Barstool before it was a website.
And boy, I mean Dave Portnoy and you can say
there's a lot of there's there's a lot going on there,
but man, that thing took off just like Rogan. Look
at Rogan, right, I mean people say Trump, maybe Rogan
(20:42):
won the election for Trump. Three hundred and thirty million
people watched it.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And you know this doesn't lend itself to traditional definitions
political distinctions like conservative or or reactionary. I mean mean
this is more neolistic.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And and you know, listen, how how irredeemable is anyone
who would criticize Gary Tangling that way? I mean it's
a disgrace.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I got street credit with my kid when I told
him that. Still, if I see I go Portne, I
can't believe you pull this off. I remember when the
guy was like he had nothing, and look what happened.
I mean, same thing with Rogan. I mean Rogan, he's
a Boston guy too. Rogan was a comedian just and
he stumbled onto this and look, boom crazy.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
He still is a comedian.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well yeah, I mean it's all entertainment. That's the thing.
You know something that's it's all entertainment, all of.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
It, right, Well, you know that that's what sells. And listen. Uh.
Whatever your opinion of Donald Trump, of his character, of
anything having to do with him, his confidence, et cetera,
there is no denying that he is the most brilliant
(22:04):
self marketer of our of modern times, no question. I
mean he has made more out of less than any
living American. And to the extent that politics has just
become enfotainment and is all about the marketing, then no
(22:26):
wonder he's achieved such remarkable success. And you know, that's
that's the way. If that's the way the game is played.
You know, in the NBA, to use the sports analogy here,
if three punt shooting is the way you win the
title and that's what the Celtics do better than anybody else, well,
(22:51):
you know what, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
If it offends some basketball s feats because they don't
like the three pointer, too bad.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
My hero John Havlichek is looking down and shaking his head.
Always hated the three. Hondo hated the three, just like
I did a podcast with Bob Ryan today. Still hates
the three, but it's here to stay. John, have a
good Thanksgiving. Thank you for coming on. Good to talk
to you again.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Gary. It's great to hear your voice anytime, especially great
to hear you on night side. You do a great
job selling in for Dad.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Have it fun. Thanks John, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Take care sure things by bye.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Okay, He's the best. John Keller, I worked with him
a Channel fifty six. Smart guy, bright guy, nails it
every time. You can catch him on WBZ TV CBS
News Boston. Anthony Russo is going to join us next.
Then we're gonna get into some NFL talk and just
do people even care about the patriots? That's coming up
(23:50):
at nine o'clock right here with Paul Perila and WBZ.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Night Side Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Rightyle, thanks a lot. I appreciated Gary Tangway for Dan
Ray tonight. We're doing the homework till nine o'clock. Forty
six percent of women voting for Trump according to exit polls.
Just talk to my buddy, John Keller. We are going
to talk about the dismal New England patriots, but I
also want to talk about the rest of the NFL
as well. With Paul Perilla. Coming up at nine, Andy
Gresh joins us, talking about frying turkey and the craziest
(24:21):
things you've ever had for Thanksgiving. Plus our moderate from California,
which makes him a Republican out there, is going to
join us. Sam Bettler at eleven o'clock. All right, Anthony
Russer was there, Anthony, how are you? Thanks for joining
us here on night side.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Pretty good? How you doing well?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
We're doing fine. Thanks. So I'm gonna ask you. Like
I said, I try to get women on political nis.
I put calls out to three different people and I couldn't,
so I rather than wing it, I wanted to talk
to somebody that knows what they're talking about. I was
not surprised that forty six percent of women voted for
Donald Trump. Were you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Not at all? And I think that again, it's a
ques effect. Why it's that made the swing because I
think the Democrats are expecting a sixty forty split on women,
which would have taken the election, especially considering white suburban women,
and they just did not get those numbers.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, I think the Democrats are tone deaf. Now, in
full disclosure, I voted for Harris. I voted Democrats. The
whole January sixth thing bothered me. Yeah, it really bothered me.
Like I if that didn't happen, I could have seen
myself voting for Trump. I really could have because I
was looking at Kamala Harris going I don't know if
I don't, but Joe Biden could not run again, could
(25:38):
not do it. And I was looking at you know, Harris,
I go, I don't know what's going on here, but
the January sixth thing threw me the other way.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But there's I think the reporting on the January sixth
thing is actually what was one of the the detractors
from women, especially the white woman vote to going wait
a second, I know some people that might have been there.
I was one of them. There's people that had a
little bit more knowledge. I think the way that they
(26:08):
represented it the January sixth committee, I think a lot
of the if people started to pay attention closer to
the election, when some of the information got released, that
a lot of that was trumped up. The fact that
Pelosi really kind of knew that there was partially her
fault with the video with her and her daughter in
the car. I think that that's way not a huge amount,
but one or two percent of people started to shift.
(26:29):
There's a lot of reasons, like Kamala Harris being this
selection that did people instead of instead of obviously doing
a democratic process. But I think women started to see
through that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Can you explain to detail. What do you say in
specifically about January sixth, What are you speaking of that
it wasn't as worse as as worse as betrayed.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well, right, if it's a if it's an armed insurrection,
then then they didn't arrest anybody that had actual fire
arms on them.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
There was Well yeah, but I mean look, Anthony, I mean,
come on, man, I mean a guard died. I know,
I mean they went they went over barricade.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah. Wait wait, wait when did a guard die?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Wait one of the one of the one of the
the security people from in the capitol had a heart attack.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
No, no, that's actually completely not true. Not a single
police officer our guard died that day. Three days later,
there was somebody that died.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
That was that they had claimed it been hit by
a fire hydrant. He died of a stroke, which was
twelfth page in the newspaper a few days later, saying
that it actually was completely unrelated to.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Anything January sixth.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Oh, I don't think it was a good day in
our in our history at all. Like, I think it
looked very bad. I think all all the different metrics
were were not good. I don't think Trump handled it incorrectly.
He never told people to riot or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Anthony, he certainly didn't tell him to stand down.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Well he did it afternoon.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah, was a little late. I mean, come on, come on, Trump,
what happened?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Well we got in fact, I don't I don't think
he wanted that to happen. I think it was actually
a pretty big trap that worked really well for the
Democrats for several years. But I got to ask a
question again. I like to be middle ground. I know
I was at January sixth. I was there because I
thought it was a good event to be at, to
see it firsthand. I think it was important. But as
somebody that is a newsman or somebody on the radio,
(28:19):
the fact that even you are still representing a fact
that didn't happen. There was no guard that died of
a heart attack that day, the fact he died three.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
He died three days later. So what's the difference A
guy still died. Come on, people, Anthony, and I'm not
gonna I don't want to We're going to disagree on this.
I don't care what.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I don't care what you're misrepresenting. Fact.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I am Oh, come on with Anthony, please, are you
are you serious? People went over barricades, they went tramping
through the halls. You had the vice president that was
escorted out because you was concerned for his safety. You
can't justify that. You can't justify that it.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Was a bad day. I just said it was a
bad day day and it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Worked, and keep Trump did another come on, it was
an awful day. Yeah, it happens in other countries. That
doesn't happen here.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
So so again, I know we're supposed to be talking
about the female vote, but when we're talking about details
of a day, you're talking about people, you know, destroying
the capital. And there was there was. Out of the
half a million people that were that were in part
of January sixth, there was one hundred to one hundred
and fifty very bad people. And I will one hundred
(29:30):
percent agree with you. It was a blemish. It was
a dark spot on our country, especially the way that
it looked, the optics, et cetera. So do you realize, though,
that out of the eight or eight hundred or so
people that went through the halls, most of them were
literally just walking around taking pictures, including somebody that I
knew that was arrested and ended up spending two years
(29:51):
in a jail for what ended up being a one
month sentence because he didn't get his due process. But again,
I do think the details are important when people believe
that somebody like a guard or a police officer died
that day. And out of the one hundred and fifty
reports of injuries of police officers, it turns out the
bulk of them, almost ninety five percent of them were
(30:12):
part of a smoke inhlation. Based on the fact that
there was the smoke bombs that went off in the
police area. These are some of the facts that people
don't represent correctly. Again, I will agree with you, it
was a very bad day for the history of this country,
but it's important to make sure the correct details, not
the January sixth committee details that were very one sided,
didn't present the whole pitch for show all the discovery
(30:33):
that people have seen in the actual court case.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Let me put it this way, if Trump handled it differently,
and if January sixth doesn't happen, I might have voted
for the guy. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter
because I mean, you know he won't always. Let'sten, all right,
let's get off that. Let's just get off that. Here's
the thing, there are just women. There are just some
women who will not vote for women.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
That's I'll agree with that, definitely. There's a there is
a group there. I think my mom would almost fall
into one of them. And I was raised a Democrat,
lifelong Democrats. She was a Democrat. She's still very pro choice,
and I think that she speaks for a lot of
women in that fifty five to seventy five age category
that still don't believe a woman could probably lead the country.
(31:19):
I'm not as a forty two year old male, I
don't believe that. I think Tulca Gabbard would be an
incredibly strong president. I think Kamala Harris was the wrong
one to break the ceiling. Hillary Clinton wrong one to
break the ceiling. I think the Democrats are out of
touch with what kind of woman America would be okay
with leading the country. And I think that was one
of the big problems. And you're right women women are
(31:41):
very critical of other women, and I think that Kamala
Harris was a perfect example of a candidate that did
not that did not show faith in the female vote.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Agree we agree on that and want to I want
to think further on the Democrats. I think the Democrats
and I voted both ways. I mean, if you I'm
registered as a Democrat, but I voted Republican and I
could have definitely gone for Trump. If this genuaryis GENUISTIX
hadn't happened, we won't go down the road again. I
want to. I want to talk about the Democrats because
(32:12):
I think they're really in trouble. That's coming up next.
Anthony Russo joins us here on w bz's Night Side.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Garry tang Way for day tonight. Anthony russ is joining
us here on WBZ Political Analysts. Okay, oh, before before
I continue, I just saw this today, Donald Trump Junior
bought thirty nine hundred acres in Maine. Do you see that.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I wouldn't be surprised. He loves the he loves the outdoors.
Maine's probably one of the most beautiful places I've ever
been in the country.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Well, I grew up there. It depends. It's it's you know,
I grew up in a small town, five thousand people
in a milltown. But I was shocked thirty nine, what
the hell are you going to do? Well, actual, they're
gonna it must be inland because they're still going to
use it for timber. But I just found that very
interesting that he thirty nine.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It could be a hunting a big hunting property. I
would bet man.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, I think there were also it's definitely not on
the coast, but it could be a hunting property, and
they're going to continue to lease it and use it
for forestry, yeah, for street situation. Okay, So one of
the things that happened here, you know, you talk about
Hillary Clinton. You know I knew a lot of women
(33:31):
that just didn't like her. Kamala Harris, do you think
the Democrats would have had a better chance if Biden
had stepped aside, not run for a second turn like
he said, and they would have gone with some of
the other candidates, for example, like the governor of Pennsylvania
or the governor of Kentucky.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Well, I definitely would have been a better chance. And honestly,
just real quick on the female thing, I think and
even though I said Telsey Gabbert, I think the concern
female is going to have a better shot because it's
going to be harder to turn conservative voters to a female.
So if you have a female conservative, I think that
that will start to the Democrats will possibly lean in
(34:11):
a little bit to that. But to your point in
terms of if they should have done it earlier, absolutely
then we would have had a fair race. Then the
republic they could have continued the speaking points against Donald
Trump that were very effective to make the race as
close as it was. But I think that they they
they could have chose somebody that actually was popular. They
(34:32):
could not have quote unquote circumvented democracy by essentially just
making her their candidate, and that would that's one of
the big points that I think the Republicans were playing on.
They were playing on obviously the ultra woke ideologies and
the far leftist transgender movement as part of their speaking points,
but I think that one of their keys is, all right,
if you guys are talking about us being a threat
(34:54):
to democracy, how is it that you circumvented democracy in
your process. So I think if they had a fair
affair run at it, I think Shapiro I think would
have been a really great choice. But for them, I
think would have made it a little bit more fair.
The bench for the Democrats isn't as deep as it
sometimes is, so I you know, Kentucky, either way, that
would have been a better option, and I do think
(35:15):
it would have been a much closer race.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Anthony Russo here joined this political analyst here on WBC. Okay,
so what do you think about some of the selections
by Trump, for example, Chief of Staff Susie Wiles, first
female chief of staff, Attorney General Pam Brooks, Homeland Security,
Labor un ambassador strong I mean a strong female presence
(35:42):
with the Trump presidency.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah, I believe it's ten or eleven. Which is it
tenor I can't it's ten or eleven. Is the number
of females that he selected, which is double that of
his first administration. There's a little bit more of a
wide variety. Obviously, they're still gonna look at the fact
that the racial disparity is not as much as they
would like as a general populace just looking for the
(36:08):
kind of the dee high numbers to match up. But
in terms of strong females, he's putting them in positions
as they've never been before. So I think it bodes
well for the females that were maybe on the fence
and ended up voting for Trump and going on, I
don't know. I hope he does the right thing. I
think for them, he's proving to them he is doing
the right thing, and he is going towards strong females,
(36:31):
not just females because they're female, but females because they're
strong females that actually can make an impact in the cabinet.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What do you think about Kennedy with the Health and
Services Secretary, mister Nonvaxer, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Based on our j sixth start to the conversation, You're
probably not gonna like this. I'm a huge RFK fan.
I he was one of my keys to why I
was actually excited to vote for Donald Trump this time.
Is I I've been raised in natural wellness and health
my whole life. My mom is a chiropractor, graduated thirty
years ago, and I have always been on the side
(37:08):
of airing of caution towards big pharma. I think our
food is the biggest issue. You've got Democrat Corey Booker
speaking on behalf of RFK and the need to really
take a deep dive into our food program. The fact
that we're the most obese country in the world.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, that I agree with you on that. I mean,
I'm not going to disagree with that at all. Yeah,
but here's the thing. Did you see that, Tana. Do
you see that picture of everybody on air on Trump's
plane eating McDonald's.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
McDonald's and it looked like RFK Junior was a yeah, RFK,
he's got huge balls. He's also what he's doing is
completely alienating his family. That is the establishment of democrats.
He I mean he is and his I mean his
wife is deep in Hollywood, and it's like he's doing
something that will get him completely turned off. And it's
(37:55):
his police system. You can disagree with the police system,
but you can't say the sellout in any way, shape
or He firmly believes this. He went through a lot
of litigation in cases that it caused him to say, Look,
I don't think when we say anti vaxxer, I think
that kind of paints kind of a little bit too
dark of a picture. I think he wants the accountability
(38:15):
and informed consent. He wants people to realize there is
a chance of some harm based on all of the
litigation that he prosecuted in the eighties, nineties. In early
two thousand, then it's all based on the same way
he feels about bad water and the same way he
feels about things like aluminum and not mercury in vaccines.
(38:36):
So he's got a belief system that he'll stand by.
And I think he just wants accountability, which would reverse
what Reagan put into place.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
In the eighties.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
He wants the ability to make sure that vaccines, if
there is something harmful in them, that they can actually
be prosecuted, because at this point they're not allowed.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, I got a few minutes here, Anthony, but it
seems to me everything's flip flopped. The Democrats are the
establish You get Clooney coming in, you got Oprah coming in,
and everybody's saying, well, what the hell do I have
in common with them? You know? Or jay Z and
people from all backgrounds are going, I have nothing in
(39:14):
common with this party.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
And it's even right, And it's even more kind of
it's even more disgusting when you look at the fact
that not only do you not have anything in common,
You're right, it's the establishment, it's the ultra wealthy. On
top of it, you're now finding out how much these
people were paid to stand on a stage and Oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I was shocked. I listen. I was ashamed. I was
I was shocked and ashamed the production costs, like for
Oprah to do they had to pay. I was like,
these people aren't doing it for free, right. I was shocked.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
And if something comes out that the Republican some of
the celebrity, I mean, there wasn't a ton of celebrities,
but if they were paid, and from every aspect that
I see and every aspect that they've talked about, Trump
didn't have to pay a celebrity a they were honored
to come speak, or they're bold enough because again it's
a huge risk to the career to speak on behalf
of Donald Trump. So I do think that it's interesting
(40:10):
to see that not only is it an establishment party,
it's the big money party. It's the party that is
you have to pay them to be spokespeople and then
to mismanage over a billion dollars. I think in retrospect,
even somebody that is very sounds like very middle ground,
like you, you probably go, well, we might, we might be
in better hands at this point.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Well let me and we have to go. I'm not
like some of my friends. I'm not doing mcgloom, Like
when somebody said moved to Canada. I go, that's ridiculous.
That's ridiculous. It's going to be fine, folks. It's not
the end of the world. It's not the end of
the United States. That I do believe, Anthony. I really
appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
I appreciate you. I love this conversation. This is fun.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, next time I'm on,
I'll have you on. But it's not the end of
the world. Like people talking about, oh my god, Trump.
I go, no, it's going to be fine, you know.
And you know, hell, at my place in life, I'll
probably benefit, you know, I mean where just where I am,
I'll probably benefit from Trump. So you know, it's not
(41:10):
the end of the world. It's not it's not that's
not gonna happen, you know. And everybody's talking about my
friend the people are going to be deported and all this.
I'm like, just settle down, just settle down, Okay, it's
not the end of the world. You lost an election,
get over it, all right, Anthony, thank you for joining us.
We'll talk to you again later.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Okay, taking here, Anthony Russo Jonas, very very good conversation,
very good conversation, exchange of ideas. But yeah, I mean
Trump's got ten eleven females in his cabinet and the
first sheaf of staff. It's got to be interesting. Man,
strap In, folks, is going to be a crazy ride.
I've done my homework. I've talked about politics. Coming up
(41:54):
in the next three hours, the NFL frying a turkey,
and my good friend and the Freak from the Lost
Coast on everything political and entertainment. Sam Miller coming up
at eleven o'clock. We're just getting started here on WBZ.
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