July 17, 2025 • 40 mins
A newly proposed bill in Massachusetts proposes a ban on tobacco and certain nicotine products for people born after 2006. Do you think this is a good idea for the state or do you believe in a free market where individuals and businesses make their own economic decisions?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's nice with Dan Ray, I tell you Boston's Leech Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, welcome back everybody as we head into the
eleven o'clock hour here on a Thursday night. We've had
really two interesting hours tonight talking about a smoking man
in Massachusetts that the legislature is about to consider, and
also that horrific fire down in Fall River which has
taken ten lives. Now I want to thank and Kelly,
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the president of the International Association of Firefighters. He is
now the top union guy in the country, as Sean
O'Brien is with the Teamsters. By the way, we've had
sewn on recently as well. Also want to thank Lieutenant
Jay Burns of the Fall River, Massachusetts Fire Department. They
were the city that was struck with this horrific fire.
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And it looks as if there will be some report,
at least a preliminary report, hopefully within the not too
distant future, and we will stay on top of that.
We are also staying on top of the story about
the big festival in Newton. I talked today with one
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of our contacts out there and they had, I guess,
a great turnout last night, which was the first evening
of the festival and we'll talk I believe to someone
tomorrow night as to how that battle is going on.
But in this hour, I'm going to roll the dice
here a little bit, and my audience tends to not
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disappoint me. I want to go back to the nine
o'clock hour and revisit this smoking band that is being
proposed in Massachusetts. And I'm specifically looking to talk with
young people who may be affected by this, because this
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is what the smoking band, if adopted by the legislature,
would do. Now again, I am anti cigarette smoking. I
don't smoke cigarettes, never smoked a cigarette, never smoked a cigar.
I just it never appealed to me. Okay, However, I
believe that on personal life decisions, people should be able
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to make decisions of their own. I don't believe in
the nanny state. I don't believe in government telling people
how to live their lives because it is a slippery slope.
And if we can somehow say, as this legislation would
say that anyone born after January first, two thousand and six.
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So anyone who is born after January first, two thousand
and six, they are at this point, they're not even
twenty yet I mean, for the most party, these are
people who are in their teens. However, however, I want
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to ask my audience members, particularly those of you who
are young, okay, under the age of thirty five, I'm
going to open the lines up and give you an
opportunity to weigh in on this. Let me just listen
to me if you can carefully, and let me explain this. So,
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we have a piece of legislation that has been put
forward at the legislature. It is called a Nicotine Free
Generation Bill. It is filed by I'm sure many, but
there's a primary sponsor in the House and a primary
sponsor here in the state Senate. We invited both of
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them to Kowan tonight. Won the state representative from Brookline,
Tommy the tolo I, had a prior commitment, which is fine,
and State Senator Jason Lewis of Winchester sent us a statement.
We tend not to read statements. I did read it
during the during the nine o'clock hour, and essentially the
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argument is this bill will not take away the right
to purchase nicotina tobacco products from anyone who's already legally
able to do so. So that means if you are
of age in Massachusetts now you can continue for the
rest of your life. But if you happen to be
one of those people who was born after after January first,
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two thousand and six, this legislation would prevent you from
enjoying or engaging in any sort of tobacco except marijuana.
You can smoke marijuana in Massachusetts, that's fine, okay, but
you can't smoke cigarettes. You wouldn't be able to smoke
cigarettes or cigars. So the statement from the senator rather,
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this legislation will protect future generations we're being targeted by
big tobacco from the harms of smoking, and create a
healthier world for the next generation. Now, I don't think
it's a good idea. And the reason I don't think
it's a good idea is it impedes on individual choice.
Individual choice. Now, I know that there's an argument that
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if you smoke cigarettes, or if you drink alcohol, or
if you eat too much candy or the wrong foods,
you're going to cause health concerns earlier in your life
than you ordinarily would, and then it's going to cost
you and society at large more medical costs. Okay, I
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get the argument. I get the argument, but driving automobiles
can be a dangerous thing to do, flying an airplanes
can be dangerous. How much can you protect how much
can the government protect you from legislatively from anything? Anyway?
So what I want to do is they just want
to open up the phone lines. And uh, I'm fairly libertarian.
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I'm not a pure libertarian, but I do believe the
government that governs least governs best. As I've said for
many years, and this is an example. You want to
smoke cigarettes, fine, okay, But there are those in the
legislature who think that they know better, which is fine. Well,
what happens if they say, Hey, anybody born you know
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after a certain age, contray alcohol, Connie candy, Kanyie pizza,
because all all, virtually anything you ingest can harm you,
I mean when you think about it. So I'm going
to open up the phone lines just for the fun
of it, and give priority to anyone who is, oh,
under the age of thirty five, just for the fun
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of it. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty anyone can call, okay,
but I'd just like to give some priority to the
people who would be impact by this, And if you
happen to be a teenager listening, I think your comments,
your observations on this probably are a little more important
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because this legislation is designed to either, depending on how
you look at it, either protect you, that's one way
to look at it, or prevent you from doing something
that you might want to do. I think it's so
much more important for individuals to come to a point
of view and to do the right thing. Now, there
are certain things you can't do. You can't punch people,
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you can't attack people. You kind assault people, There's no
question about that. However, again in terms of smoking cigarettes,
or drinking alcohol, or eating too much chocolate. If it
was chocolate, I would be in jail if they said
you can't eat chocolate after the age of fifty. I mean,
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it's one of these arbitrary things that the legislature might
try to do. Open up the line six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty. If you've never called the show before,
loved to hear from you, love to get a whole
bunch of first time callers here six one, seven, two,
five four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty This is what we've done on Nightside
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for a long time. We basically give people an opportunity
to express themselves, to tell us what they think. As
I have often said, I do care what you think,
but I don't care how you're thinking. I just care
that you are thinking, whether you agree with me or disagree.
That is not the point. The only lines open right
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now is six one seven nine three, one ten thirty.
We will be right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Way Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They got a couple open lines six one seven nine
three one ten thirty looking for some new voices here again,
do you care that your freedom uh is going to
potention be at risk? Now? Again, you may not be
a cigarette smoker. That's not the point. The point is
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when someone's freedom is threatened somewhere, everyone's freedom everywhere has
potentially the potential to be threatened. The only line six
point seven ninety three one ten thirty looking for a
couple of new callers. If you're out there tonight listening,
feel free coming up to Bill is in Danvers. Hey, Bill,
welcome back.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
How are you good? Good?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
You know I have a libertarian streak and you know,
you should be able to sort of do you know
what I mean. If you want to smoke a few
packs of self destruct, that's your business. But uh, you know,
you think the state wouldn't take long term as far
as tax revenue that they lose, because I think it's
it's only going to help New Hampshire. I mean, let's
face it, you know, well.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's exactly I mean, it may it may take effect
in Massachusetts, but I think at the live free of
die state and people will be going up there, and
there's nothing illegal about people from Massachusetts or from anywhere
driving to New Hampshire and purchasing cottons of cigarettes and
with that filling the coffice of the Granite State.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So I mean, I'm sure they'll be appreciative up there.
That'll be the more business farm. And you know, let's
face it, I did the math. So somebody from two
thousand and six, I'm sure they're you know, in military service.
But yet if they come to Massachusetts or they're not
gonna be able to get a pack of cigarettes. I mean,
you know, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, if you were born in two thousand and six,
you at a minimum could be eighteen would be eighteen
years of age. You could be nineteen years of age.
And of course what that means is going forward. So
if this were to pass, this would mean people who
are are thirty years old in twenty thirty six, And
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it's a lifetime ban by virtue of the year which
who were born, so it doesn't get rid of cigarettes.
People who are grandfathered in before the date of January first,
two thousand and six. I mean, first of all, that's great,
but I don't think that's fair. So if you were
born in two thousand and five, your grandfathered in when
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you turn twenty. But if you're born in two thousand
and six, you're in trouble. I just that's the most
important thing our legislature can think about.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, you know, it just seems like things like this
that come up. Massachusetts loves the past. Stuff like this.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I don't love.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Where we talked earlier this week, they're talking about a
mileage tax. I know you drive quite a bit and
oh yeah, And the fellow who I talked to, he
was a reporter at the state House. He said that
the rationale is that because people have bought either ev
cars or hybrid cars, using gasoline tax revenue after having
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encouraged people to do the right thing and get out
of the gas couzles. Now, because the gas guzzlers are
not guzzling enough gas that's taking money or keeping money
from flowing in to the to the to the to
the to the state, they're not going to try to
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tax us on how much how much mileage.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
We use they Now, were they going to do that
on all the caves, because I've heard different, but these
are gonna do it on the EV or maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Like my understanding is that what me My understanding is,
this is a plan that is in the process of
being developed, and they're going to do it, you know,
you know as well as I do. Bill, they're gonna
do it in every car because, uh, they'll they'll say, well,
the EV cars are not paying enough, so we want
to get them, but also the gas guzzles, so they're
gonna they're gonna get you whether you're coming and going.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, it's just more than a sent for me to
I was looking at real estate today. I mean, I
probably got a few more years. I gotta wrap this lease.
But I'm already kind of making plans, you know. I
hadn't that was what was going on.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I appreciate you, man, I really do appreciate you. Loyalty
keep it moving there, but I'm going to keep on it.
Trust me on that. Thank you very much. Bill. Let
me go next to John and Boston. John, You're next on.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Nice ahead, Thanks Jeddah. I'm assuming that they want to
pass us because they're concerned about people's health or for
the benefits of doing this. Is that what they want
to pass us.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, that's what they would say that. They would say
that that they know better and look, it's not good
to smoke. I agree with that, but I don't think
it would be if they passed a piece of legislation
that said it is not good to hit your head
on the sidewalk repeatedly smashing your head into into cement.
I mean, it is not good to do that. Do
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we really need the law?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well?
Speaker 6 (13:56):
His is interesting. I was in Boston last week. Just
walk around Whiltera. It's people with kids and whatever. You
smell pot everywhere you go to a restaurant, a fine
dining restaurant that sells steak, really nice steak. Three tables
over from me, I smell there's three guys here stoned
out of their mind. They reek of plot. I expending
expensive money on steak and they reek of pot and
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they're obviously so, and they're ordering drinks and sons. The
state of Massachusetts a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
How can you smoke pot in a restaurant?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
It's they commit again. They walk by, and it's just
because it's so strong, it just it reeks.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It they smoked before they went in the restaurant. Okay,
I got it, I got it.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Yeah, So what are you're trying to enjoy a steak
and now you smell pot that's from a table that's
like six or eight feet from it. My point is again,
it's just, uh, you know, Massachusets are concerned for the
for for help, but they're allowed everywhere in Boston. You go,
you smell pot. I hate the smell of it, by
the way, but that's not a good thing. But they
want to a lot of cigarettes, So I'm not saying
the cigarettes to go to either. But then there, they
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just spent three billion dollars allowing illegals to come here
with criminal records and dangering our citizens. They got the
bike lanes and dagering the elderly. I see it. All
the time in the city of Boston, and they're want
to pass this law. They are so dysfunctional at the
Statehouse there, Dan, it doesn't make sense. It's it's ridiculous
you're allowing they're allowing this other activity that's endangering our citizens.
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Last time, I know, Dan, I don't think they asked
you or I if it was they we gave it
for permission to spend three billion dollars on non citizens
that came. They didn't discuss whether we wanted to deliver.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But that's but again, that's the problem living in Massachusetts
in a one party state. If you get a bunch
of people up out, all of whom think alike, and
I mean, I know there's some slight differences, but uh,
that's what's going to happen. And until voters in Massachusetts
decide to restore, you know, a two party state, that's
how it's going to be in my opinion. Or we
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had we had on last night a gentleman who I
think might decide to run for governor here as a Democrat.
If you get an opportunity, listen to our nine o'clock
hour on nightside and demand Alan Leventhal, former US ambassador
to Denmark. He's a I would call a centrist Republican
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and he is. He's I believe, thinking about jumping in
next year's governor's race as an independent. And we'll have
to see see how that evolves. John, I gotta let
you run, man, I'm I gotta keep rolling here, okay,
but all good points as always, Thank.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
You, beg thank you much.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Glenn. Glenn is not a cigarette smoke around there, Glenn,
welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I smoke one a cigarette a day. I didn't want
to tell you one a day, Okay, Well I used
to be a half a pack a day back on
that day.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know, smoke? Why do you smoke one to day?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's really hard to stop. I mean, I think I've
I've tried to do a good job because of my
iconic Parcretis and COPD. I had to force myself to
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
So what do you think about this law? Is this
a good law in your mind?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, as I told my favorite producer Rob Brooks, what
happens in Brookline doesn't stay there, and this sounds like
something that came out of Brookline.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
No, there's about seventeen communities across. It may have come
out of Brookline originally, but there's about seventeen Committy, Massachusetts
who have something like this already, and all this would do.
This policy has been adopted in sixteen more cities and
towns belcher Town, Chelsea, Concored, Conway, Hopkinson, Maldon, Manchester by
the seat Melrose, Needham, Newton, Pelham, Reading, Somerville, Stoneham, Wakefield
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and Winchester.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
All the Wolk areas well.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, and again that's what they're doing. I would advise you, personally,
particularly with your you know, medical issues, uh, to go
cold turkey and and take up another habit. I mean
dark chocolate is my addiction.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, I'm pre diabetic. I gotta be careful with Jock.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, okay, so you gotta be. There's got to be
something there, a glass of wine or I would you know,
I'm not telling you how to live your life. I'm
just saying that there are other options. And uh, I
don't think smoking what I guess one a day is
not going to kill you, but it's not going to
help you, Glenn, no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, even my doctor said, I'm proud of you that
you're you're able to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, yeah, I mean that shows you know, a pretty
strong will on your apartment. You're a strong will person.
It doesn't surprise me that you do it. But if
you can keep it at one, I don't see why
you couldn't just you know, get it, get rid of it.
And again I don't he your doctor has given you
better advice than I'm i'm giving you right now.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Well, I missed dead doctor David Brunn his apartment. He
used to say thank you for smoking, just to punish
the anti tobacco people.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well, here's the deal. Okay, I don't want anyone smoking
in my house.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Okay, now, I know that's cool at your house.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You know what is that it's easy for David on
that issue, which he was right on many issues, okay,
but on that issue he would be rolling in his
grave right now and really upset. And I'm kind of
Tonight's pipe still tobacco. It's still tobacco as far as
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I know. I've never smoked the pipe, but it's still tobacco.
All I'm just saying is I don't smoke cigarettes, cigars,
never smoke, never had an interest in it. But I'm
interested in people's individual liberties. That's all you know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's what I mean, That's what I love about you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, everything we do involves a risk. You get in
the car these days, you have to be concerned not
about well, you got to be concerned about yourself, but
you got to be concerned about the other guy. You
got to assume the other guy is going to do
something crazy. Uh, And and pulling in front of you
when you when you're driving, you walk on the street,
how do you know, I mean, you can be hit
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by a car everything you do in life. I go
to the gym every day. I could be walking into
the gym and have some car run me down anyway,
be struck by lightning.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
John Denver was a private He died in a plane
crash exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah. And you look at tonight they're talking about that
flight out of India. I was watching ABC News tonight
and they're saying that the pilot on the plane shut
off both fuel tanks, which obviously meant he intended to
crash the flight. And according to the ABC report, it
said there was a conversation, I guess on the black
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box with the cop piots and with it what are
you doing? Uh? And the guy said, no problem, relax. Yeah,
and I guess the co pilot went crazy. But even
if the pilot had been able to flip the gas
tanks back on, they did not have enough elevation. If
he had flipped the gas tanks off later and then
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put him back on, the flight would have gone down,
but it would have been able to maintain its altitude
and fly safely. This guy was committing suicide with two
hundred and forty other people on him. It gives me
a thought about You know, there was that that Ear
Egypt flight I think that went down off of Long Island,
and they were saying that might have been a pilot
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who committed suicide. Scary stuff. Scary stuff. Hey, Glenn, I
got to run. I'm at the break.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
The Winnakers asked me to do them a favor last
week and a woman moved into their condo from Pittsburgh,
PA with a piano and I tuned it. That got
me a tuning job, and they wanted me to they
say that. One night, in fact, the dorm woman said,
are you going from Brighton? I said, yeah, she goes.
I hear you on Dan Ray, I recognize your voice.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, congratulations, I'm glad that. I'm glad that work. Glenn
is a blind piano tuner and does a heck of
a job. An if you out there have pianos and
you want it to be tuned down, well we can
forward if you'd like your information to Glenn. We'll be
back on night Side right after this. There you go, Glenn,
you get a free spot. Thank you much. Thanks, all right,
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I got wide open lines six one seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty, six one seven, nine thirty. Let's light them
up people coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
All Right, I'm I don't think people are interested in
this issue, which is fine. Uh, it was a very
hot topic during the eleven o'clock hour. So we're gonna
stick with this for as long as it lasts, and
if not, we will flip to something else. Six one
seven six one seven for main libertarians out there. As
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far as I'm concerned, this is a very important issue.
I wonder what Laurie will think about this one. Hey Laurie,
welcome back. How are you well?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Welcome back to you too.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I'm I'm well, I'm agreeing with you, and also I
think this was a foreigner call The guy called this
a little bit ago. Bill was also kind of on
my line of thought because on your wavelength, well, yeah,
I mean as far as as far as I know,
when does Massachusetts ever give up tax revenue?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
No? Well, this this is an exceptional moment in time.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
That's no doubt about that, which is why it boggles
my mind. But I'm with you. I don't think that
they should be. I mean, there was one caller who said,
maybe give the teams another few years, but they're going
to go get it illegally someplace else if they really
want it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
So, yeah, we will create a black market for cigarettes.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Yeah, exactly. So I agree that now that there are
certain freedoms that you're you should be allowed to have
if you kill yourself. To killself, you need to understand,
you know, the political responsibility of not or the puppy
and whatever, the social responsibility of not you know, smoking
in front of others who don't want to be around it,
and go do it by yourself if you want.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But yeah, I mean, it's the same way. It's the
same principle with alcohol. We tried. It didn't really work
with the ageenth and the twenty First Amendment. Uh, the
only amendment that has ever been over over overthrown, you know, constant,
tough to get, tough to get a constant amendment, even
tougher told to overturn it, right, And I just, uh,
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it's it's kind of a funny world out there. As
as I've said to people who know me, I love chocolate.
I really do love chocolate.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
And if they have a twelve step program for you.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well yeah they I guess. I love chocolate. I love
chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
What's not to love.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
No, I agree with you, but but I know down
deep it's not good for me.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
But well, no part of it is if it's dark chocolate, well.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Dark chocolate right for your for your cardiovascular system. I
agree with that, right, Uh. And that's of course why
I I that that rationalize it. But I was munching on,
you know, four slices or four pieces of a of
a Hershey's dark chocolate bar tonight while I was watching
the news. This isn't hurting me. This is actually helping me.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
So you know, I mean there's a whole mental effect
to we're not you know, and it doesn't send anybody
around you if you're eating it have you ever tried
sticking it in a raspberry? Have you tried that yet?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
No? But that sounds very interesting.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
I'm really good.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay, Okay, another chocolate holic. Okay, that's good to know.
We appreciate the call. Let's keep rolling here again. If
you don't want to talk about this issue, we can
go to open lines for the end. But I'd like,
I would like to finish strong on this issue tonight
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because I think it's an issue of fundamental freedom. I
really do. I know you can spin it in any
way you want, but I do think that it's fundamental freedom.
People have smoked cigarettes in this country for a really
long time. Not necessarily good idea, but there's a lot
of things we don't know that are good. Idea is
let me go to John.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Hey, John, welcome, Hi, How are you doing great?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
John? What's your take on this?
Speaker 8 (26:24):
I go to New Hampshire even now, you know, because
it's so expensive. You know, it's nine dollars a pack
over there, and it's fifteen dollars a pack here, So.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
It is all I gotta tell you, wait a sec.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Fifteen dollars for a pack of cigarettes in Massachusetts? Do
they still have it's twenty cigarettes.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
In a pack, right, yeah, exactly, So.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's like seventy five cents a cigarette.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Yeah yeah, So I take you good, tripped in New
Hampshire once a month and do what I gotta do.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
So well, John, my hat's off to you. How many
packs do make? How many cartons do you buy when
you go up there?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
I'd buy about three cartons, but you know what happened
to the three country That's that's what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, that's why they call it live free to die
in New Hampshire. So let me ask you this. Here's
my question. What about the idea when you go up there?
Do you have other friends of yours who were smokers?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
They do.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Sometimes they call me and say, I'm in New Hampster.
You want anything, and you know if I need it,
to buy it?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Right? But conversely you should call them as well to
help them. I do you good. That's what will happen.
We'll have we will have little little cells of people
who are going into Hampshire to buy cigarettes.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I'm telling you is already happening.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
So fifteen.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
Ghost acts insane.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, I agree with you. And again, if you if
you're buying you if you load up. I mean, I
don't know. Cigre rats have a long lifespan. It's not
like buying a cart and a milk that you got
to use within a couple of weeks. So it's going
to go.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Solid, right, Okay, But again, what happened to the free country?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
You know?
Speaker 8 (28:12):
Where are we going with all of them?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah? Well, I don't know that in Massachusetts it's still
a free country. I'm not sure that Massachusetts still buys
into it. I mean there's a little bit of rhetoric
that we have, you know here in Massachusetts state. Some
people are just freer than others here. I guess in Massachusetts,
I guess. I don't know. It's tough, but I certainly
enjoy talking about these issues. And I appreciate you taking
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that to call MI show.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Thank you, and yeah, always good to talk to you.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Right back at you, Thank you, my friend. Let me
get one more in here before the break. I got
a couple of lines at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. That's the only ones that are open right now.
Let me go to Rick and Bill, Rick or Ricky
you were next on Nightsiger Right ahead, all.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Right, I will be fast I agree with you. It's
ridiculous to ban something like smart. Of course it's bad
for you too much, too much red wine or cors
beer for you, red wine and English beer. For me
it would be bad too. But here's what's going to happen.
It just kind of gets somebody older who can you
can buy them just to hand them, or they'll go
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to New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Whatever.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
It's just dumb. It's absolutely stupid. You know, it just
doesn't work. I mean, when people realize there was a
breakdown of what is there, like six thousand chemicals and
a cigarette, when you break all the sub chemicals down.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Maybe that would that would I guess it would one
not surprise me and it would surprise me. I have
no idea. I mean, yeah, okay, but I thought it
was just your tobacco is a plant. I don't know
what else they put into it. I guess they put
into other stuff. I'm not I've never smoked a cigarette
in my life.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
I mean, I love the smell, but I.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Choke on it.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't love the smell. I grew up in a
house where my dad smoked two packs of camels a
day until the Surge General's report came out and he
went cold turkey.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I mean, in retrospect, it's like hottie. That must have
been tough for him to do. But I think he
would have been in his early fifties when he did that,
you know, and that's kind of a tough time of
your life to look back. He probably had been smoking
since he'd been in the military.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
Yeah, well, either World War two guy, those were very
special people, and he was tough as nails obviously if
you could stop. And I think to me, I don't
know if they put the same number of chemicals. Nicotine
has a lot of good value to it, but they
use it in cigarettes, I guess to hook people. But
it's just a crazy thing with banning this, banning this,
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or banning that. You know, you just if you're smart, you'll.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Stay with her.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
In the pop smokers, yeah, they can drive a car
and there's no repercussions yet. But I never heard of
somebody smoking cigarettes and not being aware. It doesn't affect
your driving. It's great for you long. So why don't
they look at the pot smokers.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, here's my question. Okay, here's my question. I'm not
a pot smoker either, Okay, However, my question is, I
cannot believe that the prevalence of pot smoking that some
people will smoke and smoke in the privacy of their
own home and they're not going to get into their car,
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just like people will drink properly. But it has they
made an increase in accidents in Massachusetts. I would love
to see what the numbers are in Massachusetts and other
states from year to year and over a couple of years.
My understanding is that they can they can check you
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for alcohol with a breathalyzer test, but they still don't
have a test to check people scientifically for pot smoking.
They may smell of it, and they may be and
they may be unsteady on their feet, but they don't
have that breathalyzer thing for pot And I don't understand
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why that hasn't been invented yet. You know.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
It should be, and I bet you you're then the
numbers would come in. If people could get bag for
being high as a kite and driving, then the numbers
will come in. It happens all the time. But I
bet they just don't have They don't have the proper
equipment to test, and legally they can't do much about it.
It's like bicyclists to blow a red lighter banging your
car and don't have to bang.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay, But here's the question. If if let us say
from the year that whatever the year was, that that pot,
not medicinal pot, but pot, recreational pot became available, and
if they looked at the number and said, okay, uh.
In the year that it came available, automobile accidents were
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up or down. Okay. Automobile fatalities were upper down. I'd
like to know what those numbers are, because if the
only variable was now pots available recreational, I think that
it wouldn't be coincidental. There would be a causal relationship
that would be established. But I haven't seen any newspaper article, Globe, Herald,
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Worcester Telegram, Becauzette that have done that. Those figures should
be available. Let's get them out there.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
I have one word to you, amen, I.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Love that word right back at you. Thanks, Rick, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Ye, have a good night, Thank you too.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Okay, we can get you in at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. Everything else is full up. I want to
hear from some ladies on this one. You know again,
these are important issues, feel free, and if you happen
to be listening and you're a teenager, love to hear
your take on this as well. Your voice is just
(33:51):
as important as anyone else's, and by time you turn
eighteen and your eligible to vote, your voice becomes equally
important and very critical. Six seven four thirty Nightside comes
right back after this quick break.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're gonna get everyone in.
I promise. Let me go next to Sal in Bedford.
Sal next on Nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Hey, hey, Dan, do you remember me in La?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah? This is Sal now in Bedford.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah. I told you I lived in mass.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Oh okay, yeah, okay, So what do you do? Work
out there a little bit?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (34:33):
No, I'm here for work?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh okay. So was La a vacation trip? No?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
La?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
La is my home?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I well, home is mass LA has lived? I don't
you go figure?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Okay, Well that's okay, no big deal, no big deal
at all.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I always call you. I always call you fifteen minutes
before you go off the air. But anyway, so I
heard I heard that you were talking about cigarettes, And
I thought you were talking about addiction, and now you're
talking about what cigarettes are being banned here in mass Now.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
No, no, no, there's a move in the legislature to
basically say that cigarettes will be banned for anyone born
after January first, two thousand and six, and they call
it against the Tobacco Free Generation Bill. So the idea is,
if you're born in December of two thousand and five,
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when you've become twenty one, you'll be able to buy
cigarettes like everybody else you're grandfathered in. But if you
have the misfortune of having been born on January tewond,
two thousand and six or any subsequent date, you'll never
be able to buy cigarettes in Massachusetts commercially. But boy,
I'm on the black market if you want, but not commercially.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
But they can go to the liquor storm buy beer.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
So either the government says you can't destroy your lungs
but you can destroy your liver.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Well that's that's another way to look at it. Or
or they could say to me, you eat too much,
even though you're in pretty good shape physically and and
you work out virtually every day, you shouldn't beat in
that chocolate, uh, you know as a snack after dinner,
that dark chocolate.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
The problem is the problem is you just had a
commercial about what was that articular fibulation or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It was, you know, hard Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Okay, you know you know how that happens when you
drink too much.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, I mean, well again that's but again I think
that's a decision people should be able to make for themselves.
You know, now, when you start talking about you know, drugs,
hard drugs like heroine or fentanyl, I certainly no, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Mean not everybody does hard drugs like fentanyl and all
that stuff. People drink and they smoke. I mean, I
got that a motive for more or eat chocolate, you know,
I come home after a long day, I want to
have a couple of bourbons.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, that's I'm with you. That's that's what the country's
supposed to be about. And you've got to be able
to do it in moderation and all of that. What
I'm saying, Yeah, I don't want hell I don't want
heroin dealers. I don't want fentomyl dealers. That stuff kills
you quick.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
There's a lot of people enjoy.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
But that's a minority. That's not a majority.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
No, I understand it, and you want to legislate that.
I'm okay with it, but I'm not doing I'm not
okay with cigarettes alcohol. You know, we tried banning alcohol.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Didn't work, didn't work, but but they but they still
tach you on it. So I have to pay. So
I have to pay. I have to be a cigarette
tax plus a sales tax on top of it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You got it, You got it, Sal great to hear
your voice. I got two more. I'm going to try
to sneak in here, but back again. Thank you. Here
what's called the bi Coastal listener. You're a bi Coastal listener.
Thanks al you.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I gotta get quickly here to Warren and Ron. Warren
your first safe some time for run go ahead, Warren?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Yeah, yeah, Dan, Yeah, this is not gonna happen. There's
too much revenue in the in the in the cigarette text.
I mean, they up to the taxes at any time
that they want more money, so this is never gone
happ Okay. I don't, I don't. I don't like smoking.
I try to. I tried it a little bit in
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high school and I never did it again. And you know,
you know, I love the caller who said I talked
about the marijuana smokers and all stuff like that. Fall
River is littered with You can't go anywhere in Fall
River without without smelling marijuana.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
It's almost impossible to do. All right, walk my dog
and I can get a contact. I just from just
from you know, walking my dog.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
All right, Hey one, I hate to do this, see
but you called later. I want to give a few
seconds to run and oak about you soon. What have
we got on time? Rob? Give me time break one minute. Ron,
I'm gonna give you thirty seconds. Go right ahead, your
late last call of the of the night.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Go ahead, Ron, Okay.
Speaker 10 (39:20):
According to CDC, marijuana makes a slow reaction time. Uh,
it's linked to various parts.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Of the body.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Yeah, what domation, judge.
Speaker 10 (39:30):
So I don't know about cigarettes doing that, but I
think it's probably still a personal opinion where they use
each one of themselves or not. But the marijuana is
MPs critical abilities according to the CDC.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
So that's not a good idea.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
But it's still legal in Massachusetts. Ron, Thanks thanks for
that factoid. I appreciate it. Thank you much. You have
a great night. You give me cout down, Rob, what
do we got? Got it? Thank you? Rob. Got to
thank Marita, and I got to thank all the callers
and the listeners. I will do a quick quick Facebook
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, welcome back everybody as we head into the
eleven o'clock hour here on a Thursday night. We've had
really two interesting hours tonight talking about a smoking man
in Massachusetts that the legislature is about to consider, and
also that horrific fire down in Fall River which has
taken ten lives. Now I want to thank and Kelly,
(00:27):
the president of the International Association of Firefighters. He is
now the top union guy in the country, as Sean
O'Brien is with the Teamsters. By the way, we've had
sewn on recently as well. Also want to thank Lieutenant
Jay Burns of the Fall River, Massachusetts Fire Department. They
were the city that was struck with this horrific fire.
(00:50):
And it looks as if there will be some report,
at least a preliminary report, hopefully within the not too
distant future, and we will stay on top of that.
We are also staying on top of the story about
the big festival in Newton. I talked today with one
(01:11):
of our contacts out there and they had, I guess,
a great turnout last night, which was the first evening
of the festival and we'll talk I believe to someone
tomorrow night as to how that battle is going on.
But in this hour, I'm going to roll the dice
here a little bit, and my audience tends to not
(01:32):
disappoint me. I want to go back to the nine
o'clock hour and revisit this smoking band that is being
proposed in Massachusetts. And I'm specifically looking to talk with
young people who may be affected by this, because this
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is what the smoking band, if adopted by the legislature,
would do. Now again, I am anti cigarette smoking. I
don't smoke cigarettes, never smoked a cigarette, never smoked a cigar.
I just it never appealed to me. Okay, However, I
believe that on personal life decisions, people should be able
(02:18):
to make decisions of their own. I don't believe in
the nanny state. I don't believe in government telling people
how to live their lives because it is a slippery slope.
And if we can somehow say, as this legislation would
say that anyone born after January first, two thousand and six.
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So anyone who is born after January first, two thousand
and six, they are at this point, they're not even
twenty yet I mean, for the most party, these are
people who are in their teens. However, however, I want
(03:03):
to ask my audience members, particularly those of you who
are young, okay, under the age of thirty five, I'm
going to open the lines up and give you an
opportunity to weigh in on this. Let me just listen
to me if you can carefully, and let me explain this. So,
(03:24):
we have a piece of legislation that has been put
forward at the legislature. It is called a Nicotine Free
Generation Bill. It is filed by I'm sure many, but
there's a primary sponsor in the House and a primary
sponsor here in the state Senate. We invited both of
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them to Kowan tonight. Won the state representative from Brookline,
Tommy the tolo I, had a prior commitment, which is fine,
and State Senator Jason Lewis of Winchester sent us a statement.
We tend not to read statements. I did read it
during the during the nine o'clock hour, and essentially the
(04:07):
argument is this bill will not take away the right
to purchase nicotina tobacco products from anyone who's already legally
able to do so. So that means if you are
of age in Massachusetts now you can continue for the
rest of your life. But if you happen to be
one of those people who was born after after January first,
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two thousand and six, this legislation would prevent you from
enjoying or engaging in any sort of tobacco except marijuana.
You can smoke marijuana in Massachusetts, that's fine, okay, but
you can't smoke cigarettes. You wouldn't be able to smoke
cigarettes or cigars. So the statement from the senator rather,
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this legislation will protect future generations we're being targeted by
big tobacco from the harms of smoking, and create a
healthier world for the next generation. Now, I don't think
it's a good idea. And the reason I don't think
it's a good idea is it impedes on individual choice.
Individual choice. Now, I know that there's an argument that
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if you smoke cigarettes, or if you drink alcohol, or
if you eat too much candy or the wrong foods,
you're going to cause health concerns earlier in your life
than you ordinarily would, and then it's going to cost
you and society at large more medical costs. Okay, I
(05:42):
get the argument. I get the argument, but driving automobiles
can be a dangerous thing to do, flying an airplanes
can be dangerous. How much can you protect how much
can the government protect you from legislatively from anything? Anyway?
So what I want to do is they just want
to open up the phone lines. And uh, I'm fairly libertarian.
(06:05):
I'm not a pure libertarian, but I do believe the
government that governs least governs best. As I've said for
many years, and this is an example. You want to
smoke cigarettes, fine, okay, But there are those in the
legislature who think that they know better, which is fine. Well,
what happens if they say, Hey, anybody born you know
(06:27):
after a certain age, contray alcohol, Connie candy, Kanyie pizza,
because all all, virtually anything you ingest can harm you,
I mean when you think about it. So I'm going
to open up the phone lines just for the fun
of it, and give priority to anyone who is, oh,
under the age of thirty five, just for the fun
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of it. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty anyone can call, okay,
but I'd just like to give some priority to the
people who would be impact by this, And if you
happen to be a teenager listening, I think your comments,
your observations on this probably are a little more important
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because this legislation is designed to either, depending on how
you look at it, either protect you, that's one way
to look at it, or prevent you from doing something
that you might want to do. I think it's so
much more important for individuals to come to a point
of view and to do the right thing. Now, there
are certain things you can't do. You can't punch people,
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you can't attack people. You kind assault people, There's no
question about that. However, again in terms of smoking cigarettes,
or drinking alcohol, or eating too much chocolate. If it
was chocolate, I would be in jail if they said
you can't eat chocolate after the age of fifty. I mean,
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it's one of these arbitrary things that the legislature might
try to do. Open up the line six one seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty. If you've never called the show before,
loved to hear from you, love to get a whole
bunch of first time callers here six one, seven, two,
five four ten thirty or six one seven, nine three
one ten thirty This is what we've done on Nightside
(08:16):
for a long time. We basically give people an opportunity
to express themselves, to tell us what they think. As
I have often said, I do care what you think,
but I don't care how you're thinking. I just care
that you are thinking, whether you agree with me or disagree.
That is not the point. The only lines open right
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now is six one seven nine three, one ten thirty.
We will be right back on night Side.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Way Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
They got a couple open lines six one seven nine
three one ten thirty looking for some new voices here again,
do you care that your freedom uh is going to
potention be at risk? Now? Again, you may not be
a cigarette smoker. That's not the point. The point is
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when someone's freedom is threatened somewhere, everyone's freedom everywhere has
potentially the potential to be threatened. The only line six
point seven ninety three one ten thirty looking for a
couple of new callers. If you're out there tonight listening,
feel free coming up to Bill is in Danvers. Hey, Bill,
welcome back.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
How are you good? Good?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
You know I have a libertarian streak and you know,
you should be able to sort of do you know
what I mean. If you want to smoke a few
packs of self destruct, that's your business. But uh, you know,
you think the state wouldn't take long term as far
as tax revenue that they lose, because I think it's
it's only going to help New Hampshire. I mean, let's
face it, you know, well.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
That's exactly I mean, it may it may take effect
in Massachusetts, but I think at the live free of
die state and people will be going up there, and
there's nothing illegal about people from Massachusetts or from anywhere
driving to New Hampshire and purchasing cottons of cigarettes and
with that filling the coffice of the Granite State.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So I mean, I'm sure they'll be appreciative up there.
That'll be the more business farm. And you know, let's
face it, I did the math. So somebody from two
thousand and six, I'm sure they're you know, in military service.
But yet if they come to Massachusetts or they're not
gonna be able to get a pack of cigarettes. I mean,
you know, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, if you were born in two thousand and six,
you at a minimum could be eighteen would be eighteen
years of age. You could be nineteen years of age.
And of course what that means is going forward. So
if this were to pass, this would mean people who
are are thirty years old in twenty thirty six, And
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it's a lifetime ban by virtue of the year which
who were born, so it doesn't get rid of cigarettes.
People who are grandfathered in before the date of January first,
two thousand and six. I mean, first of all, that's great,
but I don't think that's fair. So if you were
born in two thousand and five, your grandfathered in when
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you turn twenty. But if you're born in two thousand
and six, you're in trouble. I just that's the most
important thing our legislature can think about.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, you know, it just seems like things like this
that come up. Massachusetts loves the past. Stuff like this.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
I don't love.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Where we talked earlier this week, they're talking about a
mileage tax. I know you drive quite a bit and
oh yeah, And the fellow who I talked to, he
was a reporter at the state House. He said that
the rationale is that because people have bought either ev
cars or hybrid cars, using gasoline tax revenue after having
(12:05):
encouraged people to do the right thing and get out
of the gas couzles. Now, because the gas guzzlers are
not guzzling enough gas that's taking money or keeping money
from flowing in to the to the to the to
the to the state, they're not going to try to
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tax us on how much how much mileage.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
We use they Now, were they going to do that
on all the caves, because I've heard different, but these
are gonna do it on the EV or maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Like my understanding is that what me My understanding is,
this is a plan that is in the process of
being developed, and they're going to do it, you know,
you know as well as I do. Bill, they're gonna
do it in every car because, uh, they'll they'll say, well,
the EV cars are not paying enough, so we want
to get them, but also the gas guzzles, so they're
gonna they're gonna get you whether you're coming and going.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Well, it's just more than a sent for me to
I was looking at real estate today. I mean, I
probably got a few more years. I gotta wrap this lease.
But I'm already kind of making plans, you know. I
hadn't that was what was going on.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I appreciate you, man, I really do appreciate you. Loyalty
keep it moving there, but I'm going to keep on it.
Trust me on that. Thank you very much. Bill. Let
me go next to John and Boston. John, You're next on.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Nice ahead, Thanks Jeddah. I'm assuming that they want to
pass us because they're concerned about people's health or for
the benefits of doing this. Is that what they want
to pass us.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, that's what they would say that. They would say
that that they know better and look, it's not good
to smoke. I agree with that, but I don't think
it would be if they passed a piece of legislation
that said it is not good to hit your head
on the sidewalk repeatedly smashing your head into into cement.
I mean, it is not good to do that. Do
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we really need the law?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well?
Speaker 6 (13:56):
His is interesting. I was in Boston last week. Just
walk around Whiltera. It's people with kids and whatever. You
smell pot everywhere you go to a restaurant, a fine
dining restaurant that sells steak, really nice steak. Three tables
over from me, I smell there's three guys here stoned
out of their mind. They reek of plot. I expending
expensive money on steak and they reek of pot and
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they're obviously so, and they're ordering drinks and sons. The
state of Massachusetts a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
How can you smoke pot in a restaurant?
Speaker 6 (14:27):
It's they commit again. They walk by, and it's just
because it's so strong, it just it reeks.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It they smoked before they went in the restaurant. Okay,
I got it, I got it.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Yeah, So what are you're trying to enjoy a steak
and now you smell pot that's from a table that's
like six or eight feet from it. My point is again,
it's just, uh, you know, Massachusets are concerned for the
for for help, but they're allowed everywhere in Boston. You go,
you smell pot. I hate the smell of it, by
the way, but that's not a good thing. But they
want to a lot of cigarettes, So I'm not saying
the cigarettes to go to either. But then there, they
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just spent three billion dollars allowing illegals to come here
with criminal records and dangering our citizens. They got the
bike lanes and dagering the elderly. I see it. All
the time in the city of Boston, and they're want
to pass this law. They are so dysfunctional at the
Statehouse there, Dan, it doesn't make sense. It's it's ridiculous
you're allowing they're allowing this other activity that's endangering our citizens.
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Last time, I know, Dan, I don't think they asked
you or I if it was they we gave it
for permission to spend three billion dollars on non citizens
that came. They didn't discuss whether we wanted to deliver.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But that's but again, that's the problem living in Massachusetts
in a one party state. If you get a bunch
of people up out, all of whom think alike, and
I mean, I know there's some slight differences, but uh,
that's what's going to happen. And until voters in Massachusetts
decide to restore, you know, a two party state, that's
how it's going to be in my opinion. Or we
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had we had on last night a gentleman who I
think might decide to run for governor here as a Democrat.
If you get an opportunity, listen to our nine o'clock
hour on nightside and demand Alan Leventhal, former US ambassador
to Denmark. He's a I would call a centrist Republican
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and he is. He's I believe, thinking about jumping in
next year's governor's race as an independent. And we'll have
to see see how that evolves. John, I gotta let
you run, man, I'm I gotta keep rolling here, okay,
but all good points as always, Thank.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
You, beg thank you much.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Glenn. Glenn is not a cigarette smoke around there, Glenn,
welcome next on Nightside.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I smoke one a cigarette a day. I didn't want
to tell you one a day, Okay, Well I used
to be a half a pack a day back on
that day.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know, smoke? Why do you smoke one to day?
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It's really hard to stop. I mean, I think I've
I've tried to do a good job because of my
iconic Parcretis and COPD. I had to force myself to
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
So what do you think about this law? Is this
a good law in your mind?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, as I told my favorite producer Rob Brooks, what
happens in Brookline doesn't stay there, and this sounds like
something that came out of Brookline.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
No, there's about seventeen communities across. It may have come
out of Brookline originally, but there's about seventeen Committy, Massachusetts
who have something like this already, and all this would do.
This policy has been adopted in sixteen more cities and
towns belcher Town, Chelsea, Concored, Conway, Hopkinson, Maldon, Manchester by
the seat Melrose, Needham, Newton, Pelham, Reading, Somerville, Stoneham, Wakefield
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and Winchester.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
All the Wolk areas well.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, and again that's what they're doing. I would advise you, personally,
particularly with your you know, medical issues, uh, to go
cold turkey and and take up another habit. I mean
dark chocolate is my addiction.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, I'm pre diabetic. I gotta be careful with Jock.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, okay, so you gotta be. There's got to be
something there, a glass of wine or I would you know,
I'm not telling you how to live your life. I'm
just saying that there are other options. And uh, I
don't think smoking what I guess one a day is
not going to kill you, but it's not going to
help you, Glenn, no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Well, even my doctor said, I'm proud of you that
you're you're able to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Well, yeah, I mean that shows you know, a pretty
strong will on your apartment. You're a strong will person.
It doesn't surprise me that you do it. But if
you can keep it at one, I don't see why
you couldn't just you know, get it, get rid of it.
And again I don't he your doctor has given you
better advice than I'm i'm giving you right now.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Well, I missed dead doctor David Brunn his apartment. He
used to say thank you for smoking, just to punish
the anti tobacco people.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well, here's the deal. Okay, I don't want anyone smoking
in my house.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Okay, now, I know that's cool at your house.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
You know what is that it's easy for David on
that issue, which he was right on many issues, okay,
but on that issue he would be rolling in his
grave right now and really upset. And I'm kind of
Tonight's pipe still tobacco. It's still tobacco as far as
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I know. I've never smoked the pipe, but it's still tobacco.
All I'm just saying is I don't smoke cigarettes, cigars,
never smoke, never had an interest in it. But I'm
interested in people's individual liberties. That's all you know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
That's what I mean, That's what I love about you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well, everything we do involves a risk. You get in
the car these days, you have to be concerned not
about well, you got to be concerned about yourself, but
you got to be concerned about the other guy. You
got to assume the other guy is going to do
something crazy. Uh, And and pulling in front of you
when you when you're driving, you walk on the street,
how do you know, I mean, you can be hit
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by a car everything you do in life. I go
to the gym every day. I could be walking into
the gym and have some car run me down anyway,
be struck by lightning.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
John Denver was a private He died in a plane
crash exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah. And you look at tonight they're talking about that
flight out of India. I was watching ABC News tonight
and they're saying that the pilot on the plane shut
off both fuel tanks, which obviously meant he intended to
crash the flight. And according to the ABC report, it
said there was a conversation, I guess on the black
(20:50):
box with the cop piots and with it what are
you doing? Uh? And the guy said, no problem, relax. Yeah,
and I guess the co pilot went crazy. But even
if the pilot had been able to flip the gas
tanks back on, they did not have enough elevation. If
he had flipped the gas tanks off later and then
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put him back on, the flight would have gone down,
but it would have been able to maintain its altitude
and fly safely. This guy was committing suicide with two
hundred and forty other people on him. It gives me
a thought about You know, there was that that Ear
Egypt flight I think that went down off of Long Island,
and they were saying that might have been a pilot
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who committed suicide. Scary stuff. Scary stuff. Hey, Glenn, I
got to run. I'm at the break.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
The Winnakers asked me to do them a favor last
week and a woman moved into their condo from Pittsburgh,
PA with a piano and I tuned it. That got
me a tuning job, and they wanted me to they
say that. One night, in fact, the dorm woman said,
are you going from Brighton? I said, yeah, she goes.
I hear you on Dan Ray, I recognize your voice.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, congratulations, I'm glad that. I'm glad that work. Glenn
is a blind piano tuner and does a heck of
a job. An if you out there have pianos and
you want it to be tuned down, well we can
forward if you'd like your information to Glenn. We'll be
back on night Side right after this. There you go, Glenn,
you get a free spot. Thank you much. Thanks, all right,
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I got wide open lines six one seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty, six one seven, nine thirty. Let's light them
up people coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
All Right, I'm I don't think people are interested in
this issue, which is fine. Uh, it was a very
hot topic during the eleven o'clock hour. So we're gonna
stick with this for as long as it lasts, and
if not, we will flip to something else. Six one
seven six one seven for main libertarians out there. As
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far as I'm concerned, this is a very important issue.
I wonder what Laurie will think about this one. Hey Laurie,
welcome back. How are you well?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Welcome back to you too.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
I'm I'm well, I'm agreeing with you, and also I
think this was a foreigner call The guy called this
a little bit ago. Bill was also kind of on
my line of thought because on your wavelength, well, yeah,
I mean as far as as far as I know,
when does Massachusetts ever give up tax revenue?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
No? Well, this this is an exceptional moment in time.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
That's no doubt about that, which is why it boggles
my mind. But I'm with you. I don't think that
they should be. I mean, there was one caller who said,
maybe give the teams another few years, but they're going
to go get it illegally someplace else if they really
want it.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
So, yeah, we will create a black market for cigarettes.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
Yeah, exactly. So I agree that now that there are
certain freedoms that you're you should be allowed to have
if you kill yourself. To killself, you need to understand,
you know, the political responsibility of not or the puppy
and whatever, the social responsibility of not you know, smoking
in front of others who don't want to be around it,
and go do it by yourself if you want.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But yeah, I mean, it's the same way. It's the
same principle with alcohol. We tried. It didn't really work
with the ageenth and the twenty First Amendment. Uh, the
only amendment that has ever been over over overthrown, you know, constant,
tough to get, tough to get a constant amendment, even
tougher told to overturn it, right, And I just, uh,
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it's it's kind of a funny world out there. As
as I've said to people who know me, I love chocolate.
I really do love chocolate.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
And if they have a twelve step program for you.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Well yeah they I guess. I love chocolate. I love
chocolate ice cream.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
What's not to love.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
No, I agree with you, but but I know down
deep it's not good for me.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
But well, no part of it is if it's dark chocolate, well.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Dark chocolate right for your for your cardiovascular system. I
agree with that, right, Uh. And that's of course why
I I that that rationalize it. But I was munching on,
you know, four slices or four pieces of a of
a Hershey's dark chocolate bar tonight while I was watching
the news. This isn't hurting me. This is actually helping me.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
So you know, I mean there's a whole mental effect
to we're not you know, and it doesn't send anybody
around you if you're eating it have you ever tried
sticking it in a raspberry? Have you tried that yet?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
No? But that sounds very interesting.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
I'm really good.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay, Okay, another chocolate holic. Okay, that's good to know.
We appreciate the call. Let's keep rolling here again. If
you don't want to talk about this issue, we can
go to open lines for the end. But I'd like,
I would like to finish strong on this issue tonight
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because I think it's an issue of fundamental freedom. I
really do. I know you can spin it in any
way you want, but I do think that it's fundamental freedom.
People have smoked cigarettes in this country for a really
long time. Not necessarily good idea, but there's a lot
of things we don't know that are good. Idea is
let me go to John.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Hey, John, welcome, Hi, How are you doing great?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
John? What's your take on this?
Speaker 8 (26:24):
I go to New Hampshire even now, you know, because
it's so expensive. You know, it's nine dollars a pack
over there, and it's fifteen dollars a pack here, So.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
It is all I gotta tell you, wait a sec.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Fifteen dollars for a pack of cigarettes in Massachusetts? Do
they still have it's twenty cigarettes.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
In a pack, right, yeah, exactly, So.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
That's like seventy five cents a cigarette.
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Yeah yeah, So I take you good, tripped in New
Hampshire once a month and do what I gotta do.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
So well, John, my hat's off to you. How many
packs do make? How many cartons do you buy when
you go up there?
Speaker 8 (27:07):
I'd buy about three cartons, but you know what happened
to the three country That's that's what I want to know.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, that's why they call it live free to die
in New Hampshire. So let me ask you this. Here's
my question. What about the idea when you go up there?
Do you have other friends of yours who were smokers?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (27:25):
They do.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Sometimes they call me and say, I'm in New Hampster.
You want anything, and you know if I need it,
to buy it?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Right? But conversely you should call them as well to
help them. I do you good. That's what will happen.
We'll have we will have little little cells of people
who are going into Hampshire to buy cigarettes.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I'm telling you is already happening.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
So fifteen.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
Ghost acts insane.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Well, I agree with you. And again, if you if
you're buying you if you load up. I mean, I
don't know. Cigre rats have a long lifespan. It's not
like buying a cart and a milk that you got
to use within a couple of weeks. So it's going
to go.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Solid, right, Okay, But again, what happened to the free country?
Speaker 6 (28:12):
You know?
Speaker 8 (28:12):
Where are we going with all of them?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah? Well, I don't know that in Massachusetts it's still
a free country. I'm not sure that Massachusetts still buys
into it. I mean there's a little bit of rhetoric
that we have, you know here in Massachusetts state. Some
people are just freer than others here. I guess in Massachusetts,
I guess. I don't know. It's tough, but I certainly
enjoy talking about these issues. And I appreciate you taking
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that to call MI show.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Thank you, and yeah, always good to talk to you.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Right back at you, Thank you, my friend. Let me
get one more in here before the break. I got
a couple of lines at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. That's the only ones that are open right now.
Let me go to Rick and Bill, Rick or Ricky
you were next on Nightsiger Right ahead, all.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Right, I will be fast I agree with you. It's
ridiculous to ban something like smart. Of course it's bad
for you too much, too much red wine or cors
beer for you, red wine and English beer. For me
it would be bad too. But here's what's going to happen.
It just kind of gets somebody older who can you
can buy them just to hand them, or they'll go
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to New Hampshire.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Whatever.
Speaker 9 (29:15):
It's just dumb. It's absolutely stupid. You know, it just
doesn't work. I mean, when people realize there was a
breakdown of what is there, like six thousand chemicals and
a cigarette, when you break all the sub chemicals down.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Maybe that would that would I guess it would one
not surprise me and it would surprise me. I have
no idea. I mean, yeah, okay, but I thought it
was just your tobacco is a plant. I don't know
what else they put into it. I guess they put
into other stuff. I'm not I've never smoked a cigarette
in my life.
Speaker 9 (29:49):
I mean, I love the smell, but I.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
Choke on it.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't love the smell. I grew up in a
house where my dad smoked two packs of camels a
day until the Surge General's report came out and he
went cold turkey.
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I mean, in retrospect, it's like hottie. That must have
been tough for him to do. But I think he
would have been in his early fifties when he did that,
you know, and that's kind of a tough time of
your life to look back. He probably had been smoking
since he'd been in the military.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
Yeah, well, either World War two guy, those were very
special people, and he was tough as nails obviously if
you could stop. And I think to me, I don't
know if they put the same number of chemicals. Nicotine
has a lot of good value to it, but they
use it in cigarettes, I guess to hook people. But
it's just a crazy thing with banning this, banning this,
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or banning that. You know, you just if you're smart, you'll.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Stay with her.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
In the pop smokers, yeah, they can drive a car
and there's no repercussions yet. But I never heard of
somebody smoking cigarettes and not being aware. It doesn't affect
your driving. It's great for you long. So why don't
they look at the pot smokers.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, here's my question. Okay, here's my question. I'm not
a pot smoker either, Okay, However, my question is, I
cannot believe that the prevalence of pot smoking that some
people will smoke and smoke in the privacy of their
own home and they're not going to get into their car,
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just like people will drink properly. But it has they
made an increase in accidents in Massachusetts. I would love
to see what the numbers are in Massachusetts and other
states from year to year and over a couple of years.
My understanding is that they can they can check you
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for alcohol with a breathalyzer test, but they still don't
have a test to check people scientifically for pot smoking.
They may smell of it, and they may be and
they may be unsteady on their feet, but they don't
have that breathalyzer thing for pot And I don't understand
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why that hasn't been invented yet. You know.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
It should be, and I bet you you're then the
numbers would come in. If people could get bag for
being high as a kite and driving, then the numbers
will come in. It happens all the time. But I
bet they just don't have They don't have the proper
equipment to test, and legally they can't do much about it.
It's like bicyclists to blow a red lighter banging your
car and don't have to bang.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay, But here's the question. If if let us say
from the year that whatever the year was, that that pot,
not medicinal pot, but pot, recreational pot became available, and
if they looked at the number and said, okay, uh.
In the year that it came available, automobile accidents were
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up or down. Okay. Automobile fatalities were upper down. I'd
like to know what those numbers are, because if the
only variable was now pots available recreational, I think that
it wouldn't be coincidental. There would be a causal relationship
that would be established. But I haven't seen any newspaper article, Globe, Herald,
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Worcester Telegram, Becauzette that have done that. Those figures should
be available. Let's get them out there.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
I have one word to you, amen, I.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Love that word right back at you. Thanks, Rick, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Ye, have a good night, Thank you too.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Okay, we can get you in at six, one, seven, two, five, four,
ten thirty. Everything else is full up. I want to
hear from some ladies on this one. You know again,
these are important issues, feel free, and if you happen
to be listening and you're a teenager, love to hear
your take on this as well. Your voice is just
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as important as anyone else's, and by time you turn
eighteen and your eligible to vote, your voice becomes equally
important and very critical. Six seven four thirty Nightside comes
right back after this quick break.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
news radio.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
All right, let's keep rolling here. We're gonna get everyone in.
I promise. Let me go next to Sal in Bedford.
Sal next on Nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Hey, hey, Dan, do you remember me in La?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah? This is Sal now in Bedford.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Yeah. I told you I lived in mass.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Oh okay, yeah, okay, So what do you do? Work
out there a little bit?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (34:33):
No, I'm here for work?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh okay. So was La a vacation trip? No?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
La?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
La is my home?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I well, home is mass LA has lived? I don't
you go figure?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Okay, Well that's okay, no big deal, no big deal
at all.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
I always call you. I always call you fifteen minutes
before you go off the air. But anyway, so I
heard I heard that you were talking about cigarettes, And
I thought you were talking about addiction, and now you're
talking about what cigarettes are being banned here in mass Now.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
No, no, no, there's a move in the legislature to
basically say that cigarettes will be banned for anyone born
after January first, two thousand and six, and they call
it against the Tobacco Free Generation Bill. So the idea is,
if you're born in December of two thousand and five,
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when you've become twenty one, you'll be able to buy
cigarettes like everybody else you're grandfathered in. But if you
have the misfortune of having been born on January tewond,
two thousand and six or any subsequent date, you'll never
be able to buy cigarettes in Massachusetts commercially. But boy,
I'm on the black market if you want, but not commercially.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
But they can go to the liquor storm buy beer.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
So either the government says you can't destroy your lungs
but you can destroy your liver.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Well that's that's another way to look at it. Or
or they could say to me, you eat too much,
even though you're in pretty good shape physically and and
you work out virtually every day, you shouldn't beat in
that chocolate, uh, you know as a snack after dinner,
that dark chocolate.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
The problem is the problem is you just had a
commercial about what was that articular fibulation or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It was, you know, hard Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Okay, you know you know how that happens when you
drink too much.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, I mean, well again that's but again I think
that's a decision people should be able to make for themselves.
You know, now, when you start talking about you know, drugs,
hard drugs like heroine or fentanyl, I certainly no, you know, I.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Mean not everybody does hard drugs like fentanyl and all
that stuff. People drink and they smoke. I mean, I
got that a motive for more or eat chocolate, you know,
I come home after a long day, I want to
have a couple of bourbons.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, that's I'm with you. That's that's what the country's
supposed to be about. And you've got to be able
to do it in moderation and all of that. What
I'm saying, Yeah, I don't want hell I don't want
heroin dealers. I don't want fentomyl dealers. That stuff kills
you quick.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
There's a lot of people enjoy.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
But that's a minority. That's not a majority.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
No, I understand it, and you want to legislate that.
I'm okay with it, but I'm not doing I'm not
okay with cigarettes alcohol. You know, we tried banning alcohol.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Didn't work, didn't work, but but they but they still
tach you on it. So I have to pay. So
I have to pay. I have to be a cigarette
tax plus a sales tax on top of it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
You got it, You got it, Sal great to hear
your voice. I got two more. I'm going to try
to sneak in here, but back again. Thank you. Here
what's called the bi Coastal listener. You're a bi Coastal listener.
Thanks al you.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
That's all right.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I gotta get quickly here to Warren and Ron. Warren
your first safe some time for run go ahead, Warren?
Speaker 6 (38:07):
Yeah, yeah, Dan, Yeah, this is not gonna happen. There's
too much revenue in the in the in the cigarette text.
I mean, they up to the taxes at any time
that they want more money, so this is never gone
happ Okay. I don't, I don't. I don't like smoking.
I try to. I tried it a little bit in
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high school and I never did it again. And you know,
you know, I love the caller who said I talked
about the marijuana smokers and all stuff like that. Fall
River is littered with You can't go anywhere in Fall
River without without smelling marijuana.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
You can't.
Speaker 6 (38:52):
It's almost impossible to do. All right, walk my dog
and I can get a contact. I just from just
from you know, walking my dog.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
All right, Hey one, I hate to do this, see
but you called later. I want to give a few
seconds to run and oak about you soon. What have
we got on time? Rob? Give me time break one minute. Ron,
I'm gonna give you thirty seconds. Go right ahead, your
late last call of the of the night.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Go ahead, Ron, Okay.
Speaker 10 (39:20):
According to CDC, marijuana makes a slow reaction time. Uh,
it's linked to various parts.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Of the body.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Yeah, what domation, judge.
Speaker 10 (39:30):
So I don't know about cigarettes doing that, but I
think it's probably still a personal opinion where they use
each one of themselves or not. But the marijuana is
MPs critical abilities according to the CDC.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
So that's not a good idea.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
But it's still legal in Massachusetts. Ron, Thanks thanks for
that factoid. I appreciate it. Thank you much. You have
a great night. You give me cout down, Rob, what
do we got? Got it? Thank you? Rob. Got to
thank Marita, and I got to thank all the callers
and the listeners. I will do a quick quick Facebook
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you'll see them again. Hope to see you in tomorrow
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