August 13, 2025 • 18 mins
Join Kayce as she introduces Lew, a new professional who is dedicated to mastering SATS and helping Kayce to get the word out. Today, they welcome listeners back after a long time away and then discuss the value of SATS in a world that often underestimates the intelligence of animals.
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(00:01):
Hey, welcome, everybody, to Training with Kayce. I'm Kayce Cover, your host, and I am about to start the podcast anew. So I want to say thanks for being here with me and for being so patient while I was gone. Because I haven't been here for a while. I took a sabbatical to attend to life, and I'm glad to be back. But I have exciting news. Introducing. I've joined forces with an up and coming trainer who is studying sats, and she's going to help us get sats out to others.
(00:43):
So I welcome and want you to welcome and get to know Lew. So. Hey, Lew. Hi, Kayce. Hi, everyone. Thank you for having me. I'm very happy to be here. Yeah, I'm really glad you're here, too. We'll talk about that a little bit more. But in this podcast, Lew, we talk about mostly training, but also some physiology, some behavior genetics, animal issues, all kinds of stuff. So if you hear or get an idea for anything, it's open.
(01:25):
We can explore those things. People need to be able to talk about. And even. And especially the touchy issues around training and around animals. Like, we should be able to speak respectfully and talk. So I have some questions for you. So, first of all, why are you here? Like, why are you here training animals? And why are you here doing this challenging work with me? Very good question.
(02:13):
Well, first of all, I love animals, love them, and I really love people, and I want to help people and animals live their best life together. And I think that they can do that with SATS. Oh, yeah, I agree with you. I know they can. Right? That's. I think that's a great goal because there's so many people trying to cut animals out of society, but we need to bring them in closer.
(02:48):
We need to learn better ways to work with them and take care of them so we don't have all these dogs at shelters and things like that. So why did you pick SATS? Did you run into any other training methods? Well, of course. Of course I did. But SATS kind of fell into my lap. I. I went to go work at a cow sanctuary called Govinda Goshala Cow Sanctuary.
(03:25):
And the woman who ran the sanctuary cares very deeply for her cows. Yeah. And wants them to live healthy, happy, long lives. And she wanted me, as I was working with her animals very closely, to be trained in SATS. She knew Kayce personally. And when I learned what SATS was, I was like, that's. That's exactly what I want for my interactions with animals. Yeah, I'm so Glad you're extremely talented and you're going to be great, and we need people like you.
(04:03):
But it is amazing, isn't it? Because little subtle changes that we make all of a sudden enlist an animal's cooperation and inspire it to manage itself, you know, to be safe, to be able to do what we're asking them to do. I mean, it's really amazing. And I've, I've watched the. The person that runs and owns the sanctuary is Linda Voith, and she's outstanding. But I've seen her frustration, I've seen her dedication, and I've seen her breakthroughs and the joy that it gives her.
(04:54):
But one of the things that happened recently is that she has a young male cow or cattle, a steer. And he has to learn to choose to be gentle and careful around people. And so as he's been learning that and deciding to do it, it's just amazing to see, you know, because he's in that young, what do you call it, adolescence, right, where it's all about hormones and look at me and all that, and, and we can see him reigning it in for, you know, so it's safe for everybody.
(05:43):
That's amazing. So that's how you found sats, then? You didn't find it, it found you. Well, all right, that's a good story. So I guess I should make sure that people know a few things about sats. If you haven't already heard it. SATS is short for Syn Alia Animal Training Systems. And Syn Alia is Latin for together. All of us together. And if you go to synalia.com/aboutsats, you can read about that or you can go to synalia.com
(06:34):
froward slash Press and read, you know, a little bit about our philosophy and see a bunch of video. Like a rhino that helped us flush an abscess under his horn. A wolf learning all kinds of things. So check it out. I hope you enjoy it. Leave a comment. If you go there and tell us what you found, what you like best, what you want to see be have you trained a wolf, all that kind of stuff, we're interested.
(07:06):
So we want to help animals and their humans. We want to engage and excite the new and upand cominging trainers because we think this is the best way to interact with animals. We want to review, reveal the true nature and abilities of animals. You guys are going to be blown away at what these animals understand and can do. We want to prepare animals to live their best lives.
(07:37):
We want to support animals and humans to live their best partnerships and we want to lengthen the health spans of animals. So, for example, my horse has been my work partner for over 31 years, and she is over 34 years old right now. And. And she is sharp as attack. I am just ecstatic that she's still with me. And one of our other trainers, Michelle Bobrovski, as a matter of fact, she has a malinois that couldn't interact with her family for the first eight years.
(08:26):
And then Michelle applied SATS, and now her dog is totally integrated with her family and can do everything and go every place and be picked up and everything else. Now, that dog is now over 16 years old. Old. That's fantastic for a large dog. Fantastic. So. And also, I'll just mention, this is my beloved Selkie. She was one of my gray seals at the National Zoo. And the gray seals had an expected lifespan.
(09:13):
Keep watching out for a Selkie of 30 years. And the longevity for a male was 33 years. And our male lived to be 38 years old. And our female Selkie broke all the longevity records for gray seals, and she lived to be 43 years old. Wow. Yeah. That's what we aim for. So it sounds like you've been doing this for a while. What was missing from other training methods that drove you to develop SATS in the first place?
(09:57):
Well, you know, I think the biggest thing is there were people accomplishing amazing things with animals, but they did not create a way to explain things to animals. They either let the animal do something and then corrected it, put pressure on them so that they would change their own behavior, or they sat around and waited for the animal to do what they wanted them to do. And then in a breakthrough, they decided to start luring everything.
(10:35):
But when you lure things, the animals aren't necessarily thinking about the information. And just like when you follow somebody in a car, you can get there just fine, but that does not mean you remember how to get there the next time. In fact, I know it doesn't, because when I travel, I'm following people all the time, or they drive me again and again and again. And if I have to get there on my own, we're not having an event.
(11:05):
So. And also when you think about luring, first of all, some animals won't eat or they can't eat. And there are certain things, like, how are you going to lure an animal to let you do an impacted anal gland extraction? How are you going to even lure an animal so that you can trim his nails? But you can sure target an animal to do that. And you can do it very quickly and very efficiently.
(11:43):
And we have a big part of stats called perception modification. And not only do we teach the animal to cooperate with nail care and so on, but we show them a different way to think about the procedure. So let's say the animal was afraid of getting his nails done after training. Most of the time the animal wants to, you know, he's like, out there, okay, do me, do me next.
(12:12):
And you can see it on the video on the YouTube channel. So the YouTube channel is YouTube.com/C/KayceCover. And there's playlists, and if you go to the vet behavior playlist, you can see us collecting blood from a pig voluntarily. Now, we stick a 5 inch needle up to the hilt in the vena cava, 1 inch from the heart. And that pig needs to hold very still. And they are happy to do that.
(12:53):
But we did have one big problem, and that was all the pigs wanted to be first. So we had to go back and teach them to wait for their name to be called. And if you look at that video and look behind the person that's collecting the blood, you're going to see another little pig politely waiting his turn, absolutely quiet, not pushing. He understands what's going to happen and he is happy to wait his turn.
(13:27):
That amazes me. So that's why I started to work on sats. SATS is not operant conditioning where you're waiting for the animal to happen, to do something, and you're going to do trial after trial after trial to create kind of like a neural pathway that the animal tends to go down. SATS is a communication system that allows you to demonstrate and describe everything you need that animal to understand so that they can start out, start working on the behavior with a clear vision of what we're working towards.
(14:15):
And that is a game changer. Did you have any other questions? So what, what are we doing here, Kayce? What's next? Well, we need to share this information with the up and coming trainers of the next generation. We need to give them a chance to see what this is and to choose. You know, do you want to be working with animals this way or do you want to be working with them that way?
(15:00):
And we have an extra challenge these days because there are a lot of forces trying to take animals out of association with people, definitely out of communion. You know, there's all these people saying, you shouldn't have a pet, you shouldn't have animals in the circus, you shouldn't have this, that, and the other thing and in the last century, everybody worked with animals, and now it's relatively rare. We have a lot of people failing and giving up their pets to shelters where, you know, there's a high chance they're going to be euthanized.
(15:45):
We want to change that. Well, I am so glad that you're ready to embark on this challenge together, because it's great to have the company, and it's. I really appreciate the help, and it's a lot more fun. It's a lot more fun to collaborate than to just go out and wing it alone. So is there anything in particular you're looking forward to in the near future? Just sharing.
(16:20):
Just sharing what SATS is capable of doing. Because, I mean, in my regular interactions with animals, I've seen how it impacts their cooperation, their engagement, their enthusiasm in whatever we're doing. Be that walks or. Yeah, yeah. Because really, I mean, it's. The animal loves to do this. They love to learn. At least they do the way we're training. And they'll come up and ask us, can we do this?
(17:02):
You know, they'll present and they'll be excited. And it's like, but, okay, I can do this. Let's do this together. That's a great thing. Okay, well, everyone, good things to come. Thank you for joining us tonight. It's always so appreciated when you like and subscribe, comment, any of those things. We read every comment. We respond to every comment. You can address them to me, you can address them to Lew, or just in general, but let's have a conversation. 27 00:17:39,000 You know, we're all in this community together, so let's make the most of it. Let's not just show videos. Let's talk about animals. So till next time, thank you, Lew. I look forward to Kayce. Take care, everybody.
Hey, welcome, everybody, to Training with Kayce. I'm Kayce Cover, your host, and I am about to start the podcast anew. So I want to say thanks for being here with me and for being so patient while I was gone. Because I haven't been here for a while. I took a sabbatical to attend to life, and I'm glad to be back. But I have exciting news. Introducing. I've joined forces with an up and coming trainer who is studying sats, and she's going to help us get sats out to others.
(00:43):
So I welcome and want you to welcome and get to know Lew. So. Hey, Lew. Hi, Kayce. Hi, everyone. Thank you for having me. I'm very happy to be here. Yeah, I'm really glad you're here, too. We'll talk about that a little bit more. But in this podcast, Lew, we talk about mostly training, but also some physiology, some behavior genetics, animal issues, all kinds of stuff. So if you hear or get an idea for anything, it's open.
(01:25):
We can explore those things. People need to be able to talk about. And even. And especially the touchy issues around training and around animals. Like, we should be able to speak respectfully and talk. So I have some questions for you. So, first of all, why are you here? Like, why are you here training animals? And why are you here doing this challenging work with me? Very good question.
(02:13):
Well, first of all, I love animals, love them, and I really love people, and I want to help people and animals live their best life together. And I think that they can do that with SATS. Oh, yeah, I agree with you. I know they can. Right? That's. I think that's a great goal because there's so many people trying to cut animals out of society, but we need to bring them in closer.
(02:48):
We need to learn better ways to work with them and take care of them so we don't have all these dogs at shelters and things like that. So why did you pick SATS? Did you run into any other training methods? Well, of course. Of course I did. But SATS kind of fell into my lap. I. I went to go work at a cow sanctuary called Govinda Goshala Cow Sanctuary.
(03:25):
And the woman who ran the sanctuary cares very deeply for her cows. Yeah. And wants them to live healthy, happy, long lives. And she wanted me, as I was working with her animals very closely, to be trained in SATS. She knew Kayce personally. And when I learned what SATS was, I was like, that's. That's exactly what I want for my interactions with animals. Yeah, I'm so Glad you're extremely talented and you're going to be great, and we need people like you.
(04:03):
But it is amazing, isn't it? Because little subtle changes that we make all of a sudden enlist an animal's cooperation and inspire it to manage itself, you know, to be safe, to be able to do what we're asking them to do. I mean, it's really amazing. And I've, I've watched the. The person that runs and owns the sanctuary is Linda Voith, and she's outstanding. But I've seen her frustration, I've seen her dedication, and I've seen her breakthroughs and the joy that it gives her.
(04:54):
But one of the things that happened recently is that she has a young male cow or cattle, a steer. And he has to learn to choose to be gentle and careful around people. And so as he's been learning that and deciding to do it, it's just amazing to see, you know, because he's in that young, what do you call it, adolescence, right, where it's all about hormones and look at me and all that, and, and we can see him reigning it in for, you know, so it's safe for everybody.
(05:43):
That's amazing. So that's how you found sats, then? You didn't find it, it found you. Well, all right, that's a good story. So I guess I should make sure that people know a few things about sats. If you haven't already heard it. SATS is short for Syn Alia Animal Training Systems. And Syn Alia is Latin for together. All of us together. And if you go to synalia.com/aboutsats, you can read about that or you can go to synalia.com
(06:34):
froward slash Press and read, you know, a little bit about our philosophy and see a bunch of video. Like a rhino that helped us flush an abscess under his horn. A wolf learning all kinds of things. So check it out. I hope you enjoy it. Leave a comment. If you go there and tell us what you found, what you like best, what you want to see be have you trained a wolf, all that kind of stuff, we're interested.
(07:06):
So we want to help animals and their humans. We want to engage and excite the new and upand cominging trainers because we think this is the best way to interact with animals. We want to review, reveal the true nature and abilities of animals. You guys are going to be blown away at what these animals understand and can do. We want to prepare animals to live their best lives.
(07:37):
We want to support animals and humans to live their best partnerships and we want to lengthen the health spans of animals. So, for example, my horse has been my work partner for over 31 years, and she is over 34 years old right now. And. And she is sharp as attack. I am just ecstatic that she's still with me. And one of our other trainers, Michelle Bobrovski, as a matter of fact, she has a malinois that couldn't interact with her family for the first eight years.
(08:26):
And then Michelle applied SATS, and now her dog is totally integrated with her family and can do everything and go every place and be picked up and everything else. Now, that dog is now over 16 years old. Old. That's fantastic for a large dog. Fantastic. So. And also, I'll just mention, this is my beloved Selkie. She was one of my gray seals at the National Zoo. And the gray seals had an expected lifespan.
(09:13):
Keep watching out for a Selkie of 30 years. And the longevity for a male was 33 years. And our male lived to be 38 years old. And our female Selkie broke all the longevity records for gray seals, and she lived to be 43 years old. Wow. Yeah. That's what we aim for. So it sounds like you've been doing this for a while. What was missing from other training methods that drove you to develop SATS in the first place?
(09:57):
Well, you know, I think the biggest thing is there were people accomplishing amazing things with animals, but they did not create a way to explain things to animals. They either let the animal do something and then corrected it, put pressure on them so that they would change their own behavior, or they sat around and waited for the animal to do what they wanted them to do. And then in a breakthrough, they decided to start luring everything.
(10:35):
But when you lure things, the animals aren't necessarily thinking about the information. And just like when you follow somebody in a car, you can get there just fine, but that does not mean you remember how to get there the next time. In fact, I know it doesn't, because when I travel, I'm following people all the time, or they drive me again and again and again. And if I have to get there on my own, we're not having an event.
(11:05):
So. And also when you think about luring, first of all, some animals won't eat or they can't eat. And there are certain things, like, how are you going to lure an animal to let you do an impacted anal gland extraction? How are you going to even lure an animal so that you can trim his nails? But you can sure target an animal to do that. And you can do it very quickly and very efficiently.
(11:43):
And we have a big part of stats called perception modification. And not only do we teach the animal to cooperate with nail care and so on, but we show them a different way to think about the procedure. So let's say the animal was afraid of getting his nails done after training. Most of the time the animal wants to, you know, he's like, out there, okay, do me, do me next.
(12:12):
And you can see it on the video on the YouTube channel. So the YouTube channel is YouTube.com/C/KayceCover. And there's playlists, and if you go to the vet behavior playlist, you can see us collecting blood from a pig voluntarily. Now, we stick a 5 inch needle up to the hilt in the vena cava, 1 inch from the heart. And that pig needs to hold very still. And they are happy to do that.
(12:53):
But we did have one big problem, and that was all the pigs wanted to be first. So we had to go back and teach them to wait for their name to be called. And if you look at that video and look behind the person that's collecting the blood, you're going to see another little pig politely waiting his turn, absolutely quiet, not pushing. He understands what's going to happen and he is happy to wait his turn.
(13:27):
That amazes me. So that's why I started to work on sats. SATS is not operant conditioning where you're waiting for the animal to happen, to do something, and you're going to do trial after trial after trial to create kind of like a neural pathway that the animal tends to go down. SATS is a communication system that allows you to demonstrate and describe everything you need that animal to understand so that they can start out, start working on the behavior with a clear vision of what we're working towards.
(14:15):
And that is a game changer. Did you have any other questions? So what, what are we doing here, Kayce? What's next? Well, we need to share this information with the up and coming trainers of the next generation. We need to give them a chance to see what this is and to choose. You know, do you want to be working with animals this way or do you want to be working with them that way?
(15:00):
And we have an extra challenge these days because there are a lot of forces trying to take animals out of association with people, definitely out of communion. You know, there's all these people saying, you shouldn't have a pet, you shouldn't have animals in the circus, you shouldn't have this, that, and the other thing and in the last century, everybody worked with animals, and now it's relatively rare. We have a lot of people failing and giving up their pets to shelters where, you know, there's a high chance they're going to be euthanized.
(15:45):
We want to change that. Well, I am so glad that you're ready to embark on this challenge together, because it's great to have the company, and it's. I really appreciate the help, and it's a lot more fun. It's a lot more fun to collaborate than to just go out and wing it alone. So is there anything in particular you're looking forward to in the near future? Just sharing.
(16:20):
Just sharing what SATS is capable of doing. Because, I mean, in my regular interactions with animals, I've seen how it impacts their cooperation, their engagement, their enthusiasm in whatever we're doing. Be that walks or. Yeah, yeah. Because really, I mean, it's. The animal loves to do this. They love to learn. At least they do the way we're training. And they'll come up and ask us, can we do this?
(17:02):
You know, they'll present and they'll be excited. And it's like, but, okay, I can do this. Let's do this together. That's a great thing. Okay, well, everyone, good things to come. Thank you for joining us tonight. It's always so appreciated when you like and subscribe, comment, any of those things. We read every comment. We respond to every comment. You can address them to me, you can address them to Lew, or just in general, but let's have a conversation. 27 00:17:39,000 You know, we're all in this community together, so let's make the most of it. Let's not just show videos. Let's talk about animals. So till next time, thank you, Lew. I look forward to Kayce. Take care, everybody.
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