On today’s MKD, we kick off the week discussing Justin Timberlake's recent diagnosis, an update on the Beauty & The Geek murder, a teen who died after swimming on a full stomach, an octopus that left a boy covered in bruises, a woman's medical bill after a bat flew into her mouth, and a dead woman found with 26 iPhones glued to her body.
🎟️ CrimeCon! - Click here
Want to submit your shocking story? Email stories@motherknowsdeath.com
Support The Show:
🖤 Sponsors
🔬 Buy Nicole's Book
🥼 Merch
Follow:
🔪 Nicole
🪩 Maria
📱 TikTok
More Info:
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great
episode for you today. There's so much happening in the news.
We're gonna get started with Justin Timberlake's diagnosis. We have
an update on an influencer who dismembered her partner and
all of his body parts were found besides his head.
The dangers of swimming on a full stomach, a child
that sustained injuries from an animal encounter, a woman struggle
(00:42):
with insurance coverage after having a bat in her mouth,
and a woman found dead with an unusual item or
should I say items glued to her body. All that
and morel on today's episode. Let's get started with Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
A couple of days ago, Justin Timberlake went on Instagram
to shed some light on what he's been dealing with
in his personal life and revealed that he has lime disease.
Is it Lime's disease or lime disease?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Lime?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, well I've been saying it wrong way ty, everyone does.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That's fine. So there's been stuff going on with him, right,
wasn't he caught drinking and driving at least once.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, well, last summer he got arrested for the DWI,
but then he ended up pleading guilty in the fall
and got a lesser charge. Of course, I mean we
always see that these people that get DUIs and are
drunk driving get like nothing, no penalizations or anything, right,
so he made a pretty good deal.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, but I did see that the judge wasn't happy
with it. So he asked if he would do community service,
and he said he would to any organization of his
choice twenty five hours that need to be done in
a year or so.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Okay, that's nothing, so exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I was happy to see his license got taken away
for a couple of days, but like, you rich enough
to have a driver, so like, that's not going to
affect him at all. So I have been seeing videos
go around the past couple of months of people saying
that his concerts aren't great, some people anyway, that he's
been slow on stage and is not really dancing well
(02:17):
and stuff like that. So this revelation that he has
disease would definitely make sense to that, and maybe people
feel kind of bad for making fun of him. Now, well,
I think from what I was researching in the other
pop culture podcast I listen to, it's either like, if
you go on Reddit, some people think he's either been
(02:39):
misdiagnosed and it's not really lime disease based on what
he's describing he's feeling, and other people think it's convenient
timing the announcement of it because he was getting a
lot of backlash last week because I guess during one
of his songs at a concert. It seems like he's
in Europe right now touring, So at one of his concerts,
you know how singers hold out the microphone to have
people sing like famous lines and their songs or just
(03:03):
a brief stint of it. But he basically had the
crowd sing the entire song and everybody was like, all right,
so I'm paying all this money to see you and
you're not even singing the song. And then two days
later he makes his postity his lime disease, So what
symptoms is he having that people think that he's making
it up.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Just on Reddit, the way people were saying he was
describing it, it was really just nerdy, like he wasn't
saying the right things. I was thinking about this when
I describe I have something to you, I don't know
the medical terminology for it, so everybody's just nitpicking that.
And it's like if I got diagnosed with something, I
don't know the exact medical terminology behind every single symptom
(03:41):
or tests that I've done, Right, I'm just generalizing what's
going on, and I think people could be pulling it
apart simply because of that. Yeah, And I mean every
single time I talk to people that don't have a
medical history and they start telling me something, I'm like, Okay,
you're getting something wrong, or you're a huge parts missing there,
some more to the story, whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But I mean that's that's normal for people that are
not medical because they don't really understand everything. And I mean,
I don't know. I don't ever want to accuse anyone
of making up something like this, And I feel like
he's so high profile that I mean, I guess in theory,
anybody could make something up, but the way people are nowadays,
(04:26):
I feel like they would somehow find out if he
was making this up, so he very well might be
going through this. I don't I don't look at Justin
Timberlake as being like the outdoorsy kind of guy that
would have all of this exposure to ticks and things
like that. But that could happen anywhere if they went
(04:47):
on vacation somewhere and we're outside taking a walk or something.
I mean, my brother possibly just had it, and they're
every single time he's outside doing lawn work and stuff,
he gets tick on him from having trees outside his property.
So it's it's it's not as likely for someone that, like,
(05:08):
doesn't he live in California or something with like palm
trees on his property and stuff. I'm not sure where
he lives, but I know he is in the Hamptons often,
so I'm not sure if they have a tick problem
going on up there. Yeah, I mean, it could just
it could just be he could have got it anywhere,
and it's quite possible. So many people get lime disease.
And what happens is, which is exactly what happened with
(05:30):
my brother a few months ago, was he sends me
this picture of this bite he thinks that he got
and it has a very classic appearance called erythema migrants,
which it looks like a target, like the target logo.
It looks like that, and it happens in a large
percentage of people that get bit by a tick. So
(05:52):
if you ever have a rash that looks like the
target logo, you should always go to urgent car or
your doctor. I don't think it's like run to the
emergency room worthy, but you should go and just get
it checked out because there's a possibility that it's a
tick bite. And what happens is the lime disease occurs.
It's called the zoonotic disease. Do you know what that is?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That's the transfer from animals to humans.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, they're very good, so I did. The bacteria is
present in some mammals and then what happens is a
tick bites the mammals and then they bite us where
mammals as well, and that's how the bacteria gets spread.
So when you see this target rash on your body,
that means that the bacteria is local to that area.
(06:43):
But if you don't go to the doctor, to the
urgent care and get the proper antibiotics, that bacteria can
spread throughout your body and in some people it could
cause serious problems. The most common thing would be like
fatigue or feeling tired all the time and joint pain.
But in even a smaller percentage of people, but it
(07:04):
does happen. It could go to the brain, and it
could go to the heart, and it could cause neurological
symptoms and even maybe changes in men's mental status, some
depression and things like that. So it is interesting because
maybe he was experiencing some of these things and then
(07:24):
I mean, I'm just going out on a limb here,
was drinking to help his symptoms and didn't really know
what was going on because a lot of people, like
some people just get it and move on, and then
other people really have debilitating side effects from this. So
I mean, maybe or maybe he's just an alcoholic. I
don't know. I'm just I'm just putting it out there
(07:45):
that that's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, I think like everybody's putting their tinfoil hats on
because they're like, there's this greater discussion of why do
so many celebrities have lime disease in particular, and it
kind of seems like it's timed up with scandals. I
think most recently we found out Justin Bieber had it.
There was this really famous storyline on Real Housewives of
Beverly Hills where Lisa Renna accused Yolanda Foster of having
(08:09):
Munchausen because she had lined disease and nobody believed her,
and over the years, everybody couldn't believe she caught her
out on it, but it was just one of those things,
like she was sick all the time, the women thought
she was making it up. And I think it's one
of those diseases that people just assume is this false
thing or people are using as an easy excuse.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean, there are blood tests that can be done
to determine if a person has at least been exposed
to this bacteria, and it shouldn't just show up in everyone,
because you know, everyone is a bit by a tick
and doesn't get this bacteria in their body for no reason.
So I don't know. I think, like I do think
(08:50):
that there are a large percentage of celebrities that seem
to have it, but also they have a large platform
so they could talk about it, and on top of that,
they have, in theory the best doctors taking care of
them that might just work up every single blood test
under the sun, just if they have any kind of
symptom which might not happen with regular people, like if
(09:13):
you go to your doctor and just say I'm feeling
tired all the time, and you're having all these symptoms.
My joints really hurt. Like a very good doctor would
just be like, hey, let's just test you for this.
But like we all know that, there's not a lot
of very good doctors that are on top of this,
so it could it could be multifactorial. I just I
(09:34):
don't want to ever say that somebody is making something up,
and I know people do, but I just want to
see the best in people, because that just that's just awful.
If anybody would make something like that up.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean, to your point, it would answer a
lot of questions as to what's been going on in
the last year with him. But at the same time,
it's awesome, pretty good cover up if you're just like
losing control of your life and you're like what worked
for other people?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So I'm just gonna pull that. But I mean, yeah,
and it's totally possible that this guy's life is like
upturned by this. And I mean, if it's true what
he says that there was talk about having to end
the tour and then he decided to go through with it,
So I mean, why didn't he say something ahead of
(10:22):
time as to now or whatever, because it's like things
are going viral that that something's clearly going on with him.
And I like when I like when celebrities talk about
things because it does bring awareness, because some there might
be a person that's sitting around listening to this and
just saying like, wow, you know, I felt really tired
(10:42):
of my joints hurt, and I did have this rash
months ago that I didn't even realize and like get
treatment for it, you know, when otherwise it's not talked
about like that, or maybe people don't care because it's
not someone famous talking about it, it is important.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I've been seeing this a lot recently because on The
Secret Live Mormon Wives, one of the women had a
lump on her throat that she never noticed, and she
said after the first season aired, a couple of nurses
reached out to her and was like, I think you
should get that lump checked out in your neck and
it ended up being cancerous, and then she shared that
entire story on season two, and she's recently posted that
(11:18):
so many people have been like I have the same
blump and I never thought anything of it until I
watched you, and then I got.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It checked out. Even a couple of people know. Funny
that you said that. It's funny that you say this
because you always make fun of me for pointing out
pathology on people.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, it's you think I'm like a it's the way.
It's not that you're a dick, it's the way you
talk about it, just so nonchalant, Like that would.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Ruin my life if I was just like, yo, your
neck looks really big, you better go get that checked out.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean, you guys just have no idea how she's
like behind the scenes, Like in real life, we call
her doctor Death in the family because she just goes
up to you and she's just like says something absolutely
horrible and you have some rare thing but stuff diagnosed.
One day, one day I might one day I might.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Save someone's life, babe.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Okay, So a couple of weeks ago we talked about
the Beauty and the Geeks start Tamika Chester and how
she's been arrested for allegedly killing and dismembering her boyfriend.
But as we remember, when police got to the house
and found his body, his head was not there. Well,
now they believe a dog has located a skull that
they think belongs to the victim.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, so this is really interesting, right, So that means
that she killed him, dismembered him on location, and then
she did take his head and leave it somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, so they're saying this dog was on a walk
and just went in the shrubs and I guess came
across the skull. So she just took this man's head
and just put it like basically behind some bushes and
just let it naturally disintegrate back there.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's just crazy. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what she
was thinking. I mean, maybe she was thinking if she
took his head, they wouldn't be able to identify him,
because obviously you're ether in your head, maybe not thinking
because didn't she set the apartment or the house on fire.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, they had originally responded to a call for a
small fire, but as we know, fires don't often conceal murders.
So like not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, because in theory, the fire could burn en off
tissue off to get even really I mean really, to
get down to the bone would be even asking a lot,
but at least to take the skin off for fingerprints, right,
but you could still get DNA from the body, So
that's out the window. I mean, obviously it's way easier
(13:35):
to identify someone if you suspect like they knew who
it was, and then if they were able to match
his dental records, that would have been like really easy
for them to do, which they could still do now
with the head. So I'm not exactly sure what she
was thinking. What did she do with the head? How
long did she have the head? Did she bring the
head with her and had it for a while and
it started decomposing and smelling, and then she decided to
(13:58):
discard it in the woods somewhere? Like what was going
on there? I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean, remember, they were trying to like track her
movements via like people's doorbell cameras to see where she
had possibly placed it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Did she have anything with her when they saw her
on the doorbells?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I don't think so, remember, because they were like stumped,
where is it?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So what happened? How did she get it out of there?
Is it possible that? Did they say how far away
this location was from the apartment, Like, is it possible
she threw it out the window right outside the apartment
or something like that? I don't believe that was specified
in the article, but I do think they said it
was in the area. But like, to your point, she
(14:42):
could have thrown out the window, but I'm just like,
maybe she just went out another door at some point,
or you don't went back. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Weird story. Definitely weird, all right. So this next story,
it's out of England. Back in twenty twenty three, eighteen
died after swimming in the ocean. They couldn't find her
body for hours, and the coroner has just come out
now to reveal the cause of death.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I wonder why it's taking so long. It's weird. It
is weird.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I mean, do you think it was like one of
those they just had their records concealed because it was
a minor. I don't know, because it wasn't the girl fifteen.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So I don't really know how they handle things there
or why. But this is a really interesting story to
talk about because I remember my entire life every single
time because we had a pool growing up, and every
single time we would go swimming or something, my mom
would say, all right, you guys have to wait like
a half hour before you could go on the pool.
(15:38):
After you eat, and that was like a huge thing,
at least in the eighties anyway, and I think over
time people have disproven that that's the thing, because I
guess the theory was, this is the theory that was
going around at the time, that all of the blood
in your arms and legs would be going to help
you digest food so you would tire more easily and
(16:01):
would you would have a harder time swimming and keeping
yourself above water. That was I guess that's the theory
that people had, And all of these associations, including the
Red Cross, have disproven that and said there's no scientific
evidence that it's unsafe to swim after you eat. And
(16:22):
in fact, just last month, the Washington Post just did
an article saying that there's no scientific evidence to prove
that it's unsafe to eat or unsafe to swim after
you eat. So when we hear this story, if this
is true and autopsy proves it, then this is in
fact a case that can prove that it is unsafe
(16:44):
to swim after eating.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
All right, So what exactly happened to this? Because I
would think, you know, I've swim after eating obviously, and
I get cramps in my side, so that kind of
deters me from wanting you to do it, but in
this case it was just a little more extreme.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So apparently she ate a huge meal and possibly overate
pizza and fries, and while in the water, it seems
like maybe she possibly got caught in a current or
something and she ended up vomiting and she had aspiration
asphyxia basically, which is when the vomit. So you have
(17:20):
two tubes next to each other in your throat. One
is the esophagus and one is the trachea. The trachea
is otherwise known as the windpipe, which springs the air
in and out of your lungs, and then right behind
that is the esophagus, which brings food in your stomach
and while out of your stomach if you're vomiting. So
(17:41):
what happened was the food came up through the esophagus
into her mouth, and then as she was gasping for air,
she ended up inhaling the food, which caused her to
have asphyxia, which is a lack of oxygen to the brain,
which ultimately made her unco and then she ended up drowning.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
This is just really sad to think about, Like you're
just enjoying. I don't think anybody's thinking like, Oh, I'm
gonna eat lunch on the beach and then go swimming
and then just think this horrible thing is gonna happen.
Like when we hear these warnings. I feel like it's
more related to like, oh, your stomach's gonna hurt, not
like you could possibly throw up a joke on it.
I think the most important part of this story is
(18:24):
that she was swimming and caught in a current, and
that is a recurrent theme this summer, especially with Malcolm
Jamal Warner's death. It's exactly what happened with him, and
he didn't have a full stomach, so this didn't happen
to him. But the point is is that he was
in a current and he was distressed and ended up
drowning because of it, and the same exact thing happened
(18:47):
with this girl.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So I mean aspiration pneumonia is a thing that happens
sometimes in alcoholics, and that's it's more prone in alcoholics,
but it could happen in other in other circumstances too,
especially like neurological disorders and things like that. But it's
the same exact thing happens from people who vomit that
(19:10):
they could end up inhaling some of the food, but
they don't necessarily die from it. But at all, autopsy sometimes,
especially in people who are alcoholic, you could see little
particles of food actually in the lung tissue. So with
this woman who died drowning, when they said they couldn't
find her for a couple of days, right, so she
(19:30):
would have been decomposed any say, a couple of hours, Oh,
just a couple of hours, right, nevermind, So they would
have opened grossly. They would have opened her tracheyet and
saw that it was lodged with vomit, which is enough
to say that that was cutting off her airflow. But
then microscopically too, you would actually be able to see
particles of food underneath of the microscope in the lung
(19:53):
tissue and not in this case that it's cool from
a scientific perspective. I always thought that that was really cool.
So you could see, like they said that she had
pizza and fries, right like, under the microscope, you'll actually
be able to see like plant cells from the tomatoes
or mushrooms or any peppers that she had on the
(20:13):
pizza as well, that you could see inside of the
lung tissue, which is never ever supposed to be there,
and that can confirm aspirational asphyxia. Okay, let's move on
to this next one.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
This one is so the pictures of the video from
this are show crazy. In Texas, this mom was at
an aquarium with her six year old and he was
petting an octopus, which at first I was like, is
this allowed? But I guess this was an attraction at
this particular aquarium. So this woman had been there many
times with her son. They were regularly visiting the octopus
(20:45):
she was staying. In the past, the octopus would lightly
grab her son's arm, but it would always let go.
They didn't really think anything of it. But on this
particular day, the octopus grabbed the sun's arm and just
wouldn't let go at all. So they're really calm about it,
and I can't believe the child was so calm about
being gripped by a creature like that, But he just
basically said to the mom like, he won't let me go.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And then the octopus starts basically coming out of the
tank like grabbing the kid more and they had to
call people over to get it off the kid.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I guess. The weirdest part is so she has a
TikTok video that's almost six minutes long explaining what happened,
and I really like it because she gives a lot
of background on what the story was going into. How
her son was into aquatic animals and they must have
a membership for their local aquarium, and they went the
(21:38):
day that they heard and an octopus was coming. They
went to meet it and it was small, like a
young octopus, I guess. And then she said they hadn't
went for a couple of months because they were traveling
and things like that. And then when they went back,
the octopus was huge, to the point that she said,
is that the same one? And they said, yeah, it
(22:00):
just grew up and it got bigger. Well from this
aquarium's own TikTok that they made about this particular animal,
this animal is capable of dragging seven hundred pounds of weight. Yeah,
and this octopus at this point is the size of
this six year old child. Right. So the mom goes
(22:22):
on to explain how the sun felt comfortable touching the
octopus because he has visited it so many times, and
it is kind of crazy to look at the video
because this thing is trying to grab it and is
sucked on this kid to the point where a couple
of adults actually I think it was three adults were
(22:44):
not able to get this octopus off of the kid.
And when they finally did, he had like over twenty
bruises on his arm from the suction of this animal,
which is essentially like having twenty hickeys on his arm.
Write their petichial hemorrhages, the same thing that you would
see in a hickey.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So the bruises, to me were so fascinated. I've never
seen I mean, I'm sure you've seen similar stuff. I've
never seen anything like that before. I thought it was
so interesting from the suction cups on the arms.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And I also found.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It interesting that the aquarium issued their own TikTok after
the mother issued her TikTok explaining how the animal operates
and how they made the case worse. Like, yes, and
so when you get.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
A hickey, right, it's just these little tiny blood vessels
at the surface of your skin bursting and they cost
those little pin everybody knows what that looks like, right,
anytime you could do it on yourself if you just
put your arm up to your mouth and you suck,
or you're like my daughter Lucia and you put a
bottle on your lip and try to make your lips
bigger because of some video you saw on YouTube, right,
(23:52):
it is a very specific look. It doesn't physically hurt really,
and it might look a lot worse than it actually is.
That That's not what I'm concerned about here. I'm concerned
that this animal the size of a child is able
to hook onto it so strong that people can't get
it off of the child. And like, who's to say,
(24:16):
since that octopus is able to carry seven hundred pounds,
that it doesn't pick the child up and drag it
into the tank and all of a sudden the child
is stuck underwater. That's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I also found this is gonna be judgmental of me,
but like the mom was like, I wasn't gonna touch it,
Like I don't want to touch any creatures either, but
if my kid's getting wrapped up in it, I don't
care what happens to the animal. Like, I know that's
insensitive to say, but like, your child safety comes first.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I agree with her. Like I think in that situation,
if the thing was stuck on one of my kids
and the kid and one of my kids said, I'm
not in any pain, I would do that too because
I don't Number one, I I wouldn't want to take
it off because I don't want to piss it off
those so Octopectopa whatever however you say it, they have
(25:10):
like a beak they don't have there are there. Obviously
they don't have a vertebrae, so they don't have many bones.
But they have a really hard beak, which is what
helps them crack the shells of animals that they're eating.
And they don't typically ever use it for humans because
they don't they don't want us, right, but they're they've
been known to bite humans. It's not that they never have.
(25:32):
So if my kid was saying that they were fine
and you were just gonna let staff get it off,
I would do the same thing, because you don't want
to piss that thing off that and have it actually
have the ability to hurt the kid, and and like
plus you don't because it's a rare animal. It's like
on display at the at the aquarium. Like you don't
want to hurt it. It's not the animal's fault like that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm not saying go out of your way to hurt it.
I'm just saying, like, I don't know. So there was
no employees around, so it took a couple of years
for somebody to come over. I'm saying that too with
the kid getting pulled in and drowned, Like obviously, I
think it's a little bizarre that she had to call
employees over and like there wasn't someone immediately there. It
(26:17):
was like kind of having to find somebody because this
could have been bad, Like what if she was, I
don't know, talking around on the other side, talking to
her friend. And I mean, I just look at any
time children are having interactions with animals like that, there
should always be staff that are have their all eyes,
like a couple people watching what's happening there. So I
(26:37):
think it's very unlikely that the octopus could pull the
kid in, but it has the capability of doing that.
The craziest part of this whole story is that the
mom said that she went back to see the octopus
like next time they went there, and that thing looked
through the tank at her son and moved its location
from where it was, and it turned completely white and
(26:59):
camouflaged in with the bottom like one hundred and like
went over to the sun like it recognized him. And
it's it sounds silly to say that, but they can.
They're very intelligent animals and they can recognize humans. Yeah,
And I was reading also that sometimes they turn way
and blend in as like a few, like when they're
(27:19):
scared or they feel threatened, so that I guess when
there's predators. So I don't know if it couldn't differentiate
if it was a predator because it got ripped off
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, that's what's really interesting, because I was reading that
when an octopus is in activity, they've been known to
do like friendly hand shakes or hand hugs with people
that they like, which would be it grabbing on to
that boy like that perhaps, And then they it said
that they spit at people they like, emit this water
(27:52):
from people that they feel that are threatened it or
they don't like. And if you recall in that video,
the second video that was made by the employee that
was talking about it, did you hear her say that
it's spit at her? Yeah, But do you also find
by like the end of the video, it was like
really grabbing onto her arm and she seemed like frightened.
(28:16):
I don't think that video was beneficial to the aquarium
at all either. Like the whole time I'm watching it
and I'm just like, you're telling us that this thing
is Kate, is the size of a child and is
capable of dragging seven hundred pounds, and you're trying to
make us feel like it's capable of giving you these
hickeys all over or octopi kisses, whatever they call it,
(28:39):
and capable of leaving us hickeys all over your arm
up to two weeks, and you're just trying to tell
us like, hey, it's safe, come pet this thke. I
think at the very I think the point of the
video was trying to say that, like, if it grabs
onto it's very normal to have residual bruising, but like
in that case, they need to have a sign or
something on the side that is like, just have caution.
(29:03):
This animal is strong, but they generally are very friendly,
but you may have some minor bruises after you interact
with it. And it does make me kind of just
want to go touch it, honestly, like, but also the
thing I guess the thing is is that there's questions
like is it stressed out? Because a normal octopus in
(29:24):
an environment is definitely not having interactions with humans like
that on that kind of a basis, So is it
stressed in the environment? I mean, think about like hundreds
of little kids every single day, like coming in and
sticking their dirty hands in the tank and everything, like
it is the tank too small for the for this
(29:44):
animal to be living in? Like questions like that. I mean,
she clearly has it on video and you could see
this thing change color like that. I didn't even know
they did that. Yeah, it's it's really cool. They're really
really smart. Like I want one as a pet. This
(30:08):
episode is brought to you by the Grosser Roop. So
this week we did our celebrity death dissection on hul
Coogan and we talked all about the side effects of
long term steroid use, which is really interesting. I also
have another theory about what might have been going on
with him towards the end of his life, so you
could read that to check that out. We did our
(30:29):
second live session in the gross Room that is only
for Grossroom members, and we talked about some other stories
we didn't talk about a mother knows death, like the
gay couple that had a surrogate deliver their baby only
to find out that one of the guys in the
couple was a registered sex offender. And we also talked
about that terrible case of that guy who killed those
(30:55):
parents in front of their children while they were hiking.
So all that and more in the Grosser Room. And
don't forget to sign up so you could have that
exclusive episode with us. Yeah, head over to the grocerroom
dot com now to sign up. All right. So, wow,
this is a freakin' freak thing to happen to somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So last August, a thirty three ye old woman was
visiting Glenn Canyon National Recreation Area in Arizona. She had
noticed a bunch of bats flying around but didn't think
too much of it. Then she was taking pictures of
the night sky and one of the bats got in
between her camera and her face and ended up in
her mouth at some point. So her dad, who was
a doctor, was like, you need to go to the
hospital and get raby treatment immediately, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
So this is when the story kind of got well,
I mean, I guess that's the weirdest part of the story.
But so apparently she had just left one of her
jobs and she was offered insurance called Cobra to cover
her until she got her next job for insurance coverage,
which she decided to declined because she just was very
(32:03):
healthy and just wanted to take the risk and not
pay the money. And right before she went to the hospital,
at her father's advice, she went online and purchased a
health insurance plan. So she goes to the hospital and
they say that she needs to have four different rabies
(32:24):
treatments and which she wants to get, which obviously, because
I don't know if you remember, but in a Mother
Knows Death, we talked about a couple cases of bats
specifically giving people rabies. And in one of the cases,
remember there was a bat in a child's bedroom and
(32:47):
the kid had like two pinpoint little things that didn't
even realize that it was a bit because their teeth
are so small, like you might not even feel it.
And that's why it was a good idea for the
dad to say, like, hey, you don't really know if
you got bit, like you should if you ever have
an interaction with a bat, you should go to the
hospital like that's just a known thing, right, So she
(33:12):
gets all these treatments and then finds out that that
insurance policy that she bought you had to wait thirty
days before it would cover you. So now she's stuck
with twenty thousand dollars worth of bills.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I mean, I guess this is just an example of
the risk you take, right when you don't get the
lapse and or when you don't have the health endurance
and there's a gap.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, like this is the thing, Like we could sit
there and talk about how things should be and how
things are right, how things should be. Is this is ridiculous.
You shouldn't have to pay for this. How the hell
does four Raby's treatments cost twenty thousand dollars? Like go
on and on and on, but like when you live
(33:59):
in a America, that is the way that it is, right,
So that is the risk. It's a risk you take
if you don't have insurance because of exactly something like this.
I've said this. I mean I think didn't Ricky do
that at some point? I think my brother's done that
at some point, Like and I always am like, what
if you're appendix burst like that could really ruin you financially,
(34:21):
even though you seem like you never get sick or anything.
This is like, I'm sure this was the last thing
this girl thought was going to happen, was that a
bat was going to go into her mouth, right.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I don't think my husband had health insurance until he
met me and I forced him to get a policy.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I mean, you hear this all the time though, because
people are like, oh, I don't need it and stuff
like that. So, I mean that was mistake number one.
Mistake number two is like I don't even know what
she was thinking that you could just go by an
insurance policy and then get coverage because like obviously everybody
would do that that there's always a waiting period. It's
(34:57):
never immediate like that. I mean, yeah, I mean you
can't get in a car accident and then call Geico
and say, hey, I want to be covered and they
cover the accident like that's oh, I'll pay twenty dollars
and get this twenty thousand dollars thing covered. Like that's
just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, I feel like after they did the claim and
stuff too, and they found out the time she purchased
the policy versus the time she was in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That would also trigger a.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Red flag too, even if there wasn't a week period.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Oh my husband just died. Let me take out life
insurance and policy on them. Like that's not how Like
insurance just never ever works like that. So it's kind
of bizarre that she thought that that was going to work.
But I do want to say, I mean to her defense,
like number one, I feel like things like this should
be free anyway, just because it's a public health concern.
(35:50):
I mean, you really do not want a person getting
brabies from a bat and dying from it. This is
like a public health you know how, like they give
out free vaccine for COVID and measles and stuff. I mean,
this is up there, in my opinion with like something
that should be given for public health reason.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, but is the COVID vaccine free if you have
health insurance?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Like if you probably not. But there's plenty of programs
for things of public health nature that are free. So
I don't know why. I don't really know, Like maybe
that's something that she could route, she can go, but
also just think about it, like why, like how on
earth is it so much money? Like it's just out
(36:33):
of control, like twenty thousand dollars. I think she got
the bill, like she got some stuff taken off of it,
but it's still nineteen thousand dollars and like that. That
just seems completely outrageous.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
All right, This is exactly what I'm trying to say
though about Luigi Manngioni, is like, how are they gonna
find a jury that's not been affected? Like they're gonna
find twelve people that have never at all been affected
by the healthcare industry. And I'm talking about even this.
Sometimes people say they review their hospital bills and see
they were charged five hundred dollars for a tile and all, like, listen, ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I worked in a hospital for a very long time,
and I'll tell you the waste is out of control.
I I'll never forget two different things that happened. Okay,
So one time, we a lot of times we work
in conjunction with a lab called flowcitometry, because we get
(37:26):
specimens that are fresh to look at lymphoma, and we
have to put it in a special medium before we
put it in formaldehyde. And sometimes with those cases we
would get blood with it too that would have to
go up to the lab with the tissue, and if
we were not available to immediately bring that up to them,
we would want to put it in a refrigerator until
(37:47):
we had a chance to go up to the floor
and bring it to them or to have somebody come
get it. So the bottom line is is that we
needed a mini refrigerator in the lab now to hold
a couple vials of blae. Right. I feel like I
just got my kids won a couple years ago of
the size we needed on Amazon for like thirty bucks
(38:09):
for their skincare crap. Right, Yeah, those things are cheap. No,
we couldn't get something like that because we had to
get one that was through Fisher Scientific and it was
like almost one thousand dollars for like to stick a
couple bals of blood. And I'm not lying, right, So
(38:31):
I'd be like, no, like I could just I could
just go on Amazon and order it and it'll be here,
and you guys could just give me back the thirty bucks. No, Nicole,
you don't understand what the procedure is. That money has
to come from here and it has to be approved, this,
that and the other, and you're just like this is
total bullshit. Another time we needed a cart to do
frozen sections. And Andrea was just like, all right, well,
(38:54):
like I could go to aika. They're like, you know,
one hundred bucks, not even whatever, like one of those
silver trays you know you would push food around with
or whatever. No, again, needed one from fish or Scientific
over five hundred dollars. Like then we were having this
thing that we were throwing out all of these the
little cassettes that we used to put tissue in to
(39:14):
send to histology to get the slides made. So when
I worked at one hospital, we would only print what
we needed, but at the newer hospital I was working at,
they would pre print everything. And it was so stupid
because I would be like, why, Like, you don't know
how much I'm going to need until I do it,
so why don't you just let me print them instead
of them getting pre printed? So nobody listened to me.
(39:36):
So one day, Annette and I got one of those
boxes that you put printer in your paper and you know,
and I threw all the ones that I would normally
put in the trash can. I threw in that box.
In one month, those that box was filled to the
very top right, and I did the work the math
on how much that was that I was throwing away
(39:58):
a year, and it was seventy five thousand dollars worth
of stuff that I was throwing away, right, It's insane.
And I went to my boss at the time and
I was like, you keep telling us that we can't
get another employee because our department doesn't have enough money.
And I just prove to you that we throw away
with this, just this one product, seventy five thousand dollars worth,
(40:22):
which would pay for a full time PA at this place.
This was years ago when that was the going salary.
But I'm like, do you see the amount of waste
that is going on. If that's just like one little
product in one little lab in one little hospital, imagine
what's happening at every hospital nationwide. The waste is out
(40:44):
of control and that ultimately gets pushed off to the consumer,
which is us.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, and I'm sure I'm sure our nurses that are
listening have even worse stories.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Oh god, I can't even imagine. Yeah, I mean, and
then you get like you get cut on things like
we don't have any money for like life saving machines
or things that could cause patients to die or cause
nurses to get in trouble because they're not monitoring patients correctly.
Like it's just it's out of control.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, I mean, aside to this story is like we
can argue like why is the cost of American health
care so expensive?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And then knowing that, why didn't.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
This girl get the lapse coverage that she needed? Because
this is exactly what happens to people. It's a shitty system.
But you just have to understand it's like what we're
working with right now.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, it really is, and it's it's a good thing
to teach people because that it's it's like, you know,
my brother took the risk, Ricky took the risk, and
like luckily nothing happened to them, but like one little
thing that could happen, and this is nothing. Twenty thousand
dollars is nothing, no I think about, Like my story
was tens of thousands of dollars exactly. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
The insurance hit so like you and you don't know,
oh exactly, if you get in a car accident, if
your appendix burst, anything could happen you at any time.
Anybody that listens to this podcast should know that anything
could happen to you at any time, including a bat
flying in your mouth of vacation. So she said, I
know what bats tastes like. Now it's earthy kind of
sweet flavor, so disgusting.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, I mean, listen, bat bat's rabies is so fatal.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I just I don't care, Like if I was going
even if she knew she was going to be in
twenty thousand dollars worth of debt, like, I would not
mess around with that. There's been not every single human
that's ever gotten rabies. There's only been like twenty cases
in the history of forever that people have survived it.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
No thanks, that's like a scared deal with that later
type of deal. You just have to get the care
for yourself at that point. All right. Last week, a
twenty year old woman riding a bus was found dead
and the cops were surprised to find that she had
twenty six iPhones glued to her body. All right, so
this is really weird.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I guess as of right now, they're not saying exactly
what her cause of death was, which I really hope
that they get back to us with this because I'm
really curious. I mean, just besides the fact that this
is so bizarre because I guess she also had a
bag with her that was filled with alcohol and additional phones. Yeah,
(43:22):
so I'm not sure, but she's only twenty years old,
and apparently people were saying that it seemed as if
she suffered a seizure and then she went into cardiac arrest,
so her heart stopped. So I'm really curious about this
because you know how there's all this talk about the
(43:42):
radio waves that are coming off of the phone, how
they could be harmful to our health. And so the
American Cancer Society and the FDA, they've deemed that there's
this certain magic number that anything over that could cause
changes in DNA mutation and could cause acute health effects,
(44:04):
and anything under that is considered safe for human consumption.
And they've all determined, all of these associations that the
amount of radio frequency waves that come from a phone
are they're not harmful at the level that they're at. Correct. Okay,
So the only thing that they're saying that there has
been confirmation of is that those waves can cause in
(44:28):
a person or can cause a person's body temperature to rise. Now,
my question is the studies are done with one person
and one phone, right, because who has more than one
phone on them? What happens Like were those phones that
were glued to her body, were they on, were they working?
(44:50):
And what happens when a person has twenty phones now
on their body and twenty amount of those radio frequency
waves write adjacent to their body Because when you think
about people that have hyperthermia or an increased body temperature,
which is anything that could be over one hundred and
(45:10):
three degrees, you could see people start having seizures and stuff.
So was the actual waves from the phone causing it?
Or like was she being trafficked or something? Or was
was she trying to smuggle the phones?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Who knows what was going on there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I guess their leading theory is that she was trying
to traffic the items. Also, is it possible that, like
I'm thinking, to glue these objects on her body, she's
probably using something like a POxy, right, which is extremely toxic,
So could that have been an issue too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Absolutely? I just don't like, why why do you if
you had let's say you had fifty phones in your bag, Like,
what do you tra I don't understand what you're smuggling
is it not legal to have that many phones on you, Like,
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I don't know this happened in Brazil, so I'm not
exactly sure what the item trafficking was or if having
phones was illegal. It just seems very unusual. My question
for you is, like, if you get a person, well,
I'm assuming these like are these phones glued to her
like undershirt or they glued to her skin directly, I.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Have no idea.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
So if you get an autopsy where somebody is objects
glued all over to them, what do you do about it?
You were because they said they had removed the phones
to put into evidence.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I mean you would just document all of them
and extensively. I mean I don't know how extensively they
would do it, but you can. You could do it
down to like what serial number was located at what
part of the body, and then you would just take
it off, photograph it, document it, and give it to
(46:48):
the authorities who were doing an investigation. Because obviously, like
especially if they were iPhones, they're all they're all tracked, right,
you know where they all came from. The GPS on
all of them, you could probably trace where it originated.
And where it is now, Like, I just really want
to know more about this because it's just so bizarre,
(47:10):
it really is.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Okay, let's move on to Questions of the Day. Every
Friday at that at mother nos Death Instagram account, you
guys can head over to the story and ask whatever
you want first. For the Idaho murders, is it normal
when there is a victim of murder to not be
able to be viewed by their family members? Just surprising
the family didn't know what happened to them until recently.
Is that because of the gag order?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
You mean to like actually view their body, like their
dead body or their autopsy report. I so I don't
know what's going on with the autopsy report, but this
is interesting that somebody brought this up today because I
saw I think it was the Twitter account or x
account of the podcast Pretty Lies and Alibis. Yesterday they
(48:01):
posted that they tried to get all of the records
from the Brian Coburger case, all of the records, not
just the ones that have been available to the public,
ban all of them, which would make the staff there
have to go through every single document and redact everything
that needed to be redacted. And it would couse so
(48:23):
much work. Guess how much they said it costs? How much?
Twenty thousand dollars what? So the Pretty Lies and Alibis
podcast was like, yeah, I'm gonna have to pass, right,
but like, will dateline pass on that? Because that's not
shit to them, you know what I mean? It's interesting
(48:43):
and listen. At first, I was like kind of butt
hurt by it, and I was like, this is really
messed up that they're like gonna be making money off this,
but it sounds like the amount of work that would
go into it, Like they have to pay employees to
do all that work. But aren't they paying it?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Isn't somebody redacting them anyway, And that's why they're taking
so long to get released and coming out in like
different increments.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I don't know, and I don't know if they're all
getting released.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I mean, I requested the autopsy report two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
I haven't even heard anything bad. Yeah, So anyway, getting
back to that, that's what I was gonna say. So
all I saw so far in the documents that have
been released for free online is an autopsy summary, which
is nowhere near what the autopsy report is. And I'm
kind of like not one hundred percent impressed with the
way that the injuries have been described. So I don't
(49:36):
know what's going on. I don't know how they do
the reports. I'm sure each person had an individual report.
I haven't seen them yet.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
But.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
As far as seeing that, I don't know. I'm assuming
that because of the gag order, the families didn't have
access to that, and I'm not sure, like I'm not
sure that that's necessarily like a bad thing. Did they
need to have access to that? I mean, like, I'm
just trying to think, like, if Maria got stabbed to
(50:07):
death in college, obviously, as a parent, I would want
the right to that because it's my kid. But at
the same time, I don't know if I could ever
read one of my family member's autopsy reports.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I would just think though as far as this question,
which is like is it normal for them not to
be viewed?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Do we know for a fact that they weren't.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Viewed because they might have known exactly what happened at
the very beginning, but because of the gag order, couldn't
say anything. No, Because Steve Gonzalvez said that he didn't
know how many times she got stabbed Okay, so he
just said that.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I believe he said it. I believe the first time
he found out was was the day of the plea
sentencing or shortly within that time. I know he's been
vocal that he didn't know. Listen, Like, I know that
(51:08):
we talk about this. This is like what I talk
about for a living is autopsies and autopsy reports and stuff.
But I imagine if this happens to you personally, I
could assure you that you do not want to see
your loved one that has been stabbed to death, especially
Kaylee who was disfigured by whatever stab wounds slash blunt
(51:32):
instrument destroyed her face, making her unrecognizable. You do not
want to ever see your child like that. So you
definitely wouldn't want to. Like I think a lot of times,
even some people in the hospital that have been really
sick and the family members insist on viewing their bodies,
we would put sheets like up to their neck, and
(51:57):
sometimes we would even cover their entire face and and
we would just let their arm out so they could
just like sit by them and hold their hand and
rub their arm and stuff. But a lot of times
you'd like there's been a lot of studies done and
stuff that says that that could have lasting psychological damage
(52:17):
on a person more than the actual trauma of the
death itself. So it happens a lot of times, like
if a persons found decomposed and a person says, I
really want to see my son, and then the medical
examiners say, we definitely highly advise against that, and they
sometimes they even make you sign a waiver because they know,
(52:39):
because we know how bad it looks.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Right, yeah, and they don't want to get sued.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
So it's the same. And I would argue it's the
same thing with the reports. And I can even say
this for myself that after I even read the little
bit of the report and the summary that was released
that day after Maria and I sat here and watched
that sentencing, that I I got like re traumatized, I
(53:05):
would say, from the crime all over again. It was
so upsetting to actually hear about these injuries and to
read about them, and to just think about that being
your child. I I would avoid it. I wouldn't even
want to know. I just I wouldn't want to know
because all I would think about is them laying on
(53:26):
that table and having all of these injuries and being
filayed open in front of me, like, I just wouldn't
want to know.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Well, you know what that looks like too. So I
don't think the average person knows exactly how gruesome that
would be.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just awful. Okay.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
So this person says, just had EMB two sample scent.
So what is path looking for?
Speaker 1 (53:51):
So an EMB is an endometrial biopsy. So sometimes they
do that. I've had two of them now. They do
it if you have abnormal bleeding or cramping or anything
like that. But they also do it in women who
especially women who are older in postmenopausal and then all
of a sudden start bleeding. That's like a huge sign
of endometrial cancer. Usually in younger people, that's not what
(54:14):
they're looking for per se, but they will look for
that as well. They'll look for anything that is potentially
causing the abnormal bleeding, infections, polyps, endometrial hyperplasia, precancerous changes, fibroids.
Sometimes I don't know if they could really get deep
(54:36):
enough to get into the myometrum, which is the muscle
under the endometrum, but they could. You know, you could
have abnomiosis, which is endometril glands or endometriosis within the
wall of the uterus itself, which is usually only a
diagnosis set specific after the uterus is taken out, unfortunately.
(54:56):
But they're just going to be looking for all those
sorts of things to determine and if they can figure
out that's why you're having the abnormal bleeding, and that
could Like most of the time, I mean both times
I got it done, it was like, yeah, you have
a couple of polyps and that's it. Like it didn't
really give any kind of answers, to be honest with you,
(55:17):
So sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Is that something you.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Get like full blown surgery for or they just take
through your vagina? You can.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
A brave soul might get it done with no anesthesia.
I wouldn't. I know that they can, but often or
most times, they will want you to get I don't
know if you have to get intubated and stuff. It's
more of like a twilight kind of drug, I would say,
(55:49):
because you don't. I mean, it's quick once they do it,
and they could do it and take it and it
doesn't I don't know that it requires you to be
put all the way out, But I feel like both
times that I had it done, it was just a twilight.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, all right, last, what are your thoughts on afterlife?
Speaker 1 (56:15):
I don't know what about you? Hear what you say. First.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
I'm not really a religious person, but I do, in
some world believe there's like I don't know, I believe
there's like a higher being or you could be like
spiritually reconnected to somebody in some capacity, but I don't
know what that looks like for me. There's that doesn't
look like heaven or Hell per se. Right, It's just
(56:41):
this thing that kind of doesn't exist, this in between
where you like, if you die you can meet up
with people. I don't know, but to me, it's not
like as straightforward as heaven or Hell. I don't really
believe in God or anything like that, but I do
believe in like karma and the universe sending signals and
signs and everything like that. But I'm definitely not the
(57:01):
type of person that's in the zodiacs or all that
shit either. So I think I'm in this weird in between.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
I don't know. I mean, obviously I think about this
a lot because I've had I've been around so many
dead people, and I like, you know, we grew up Catholic,
and I do like the idea of this fictional world
that exists that when a loved one dies, you'll be
able to rejoin with them one day, because obviously that
(57:31):
makes death a lot easier to handle, because death is
so final, and just to think that that's the end
of that person is just very it's hard to wrap
your brain around. So I wish, I wish and hope
that that's the case, that that there's this world where
like when my husband and I die and our kids die,
(57:54):
that like we'll all be walking around barefoot on clouds
in white linen suits and will rejoin each other and
be able to hang out again. I guess all of
us are just having a theory as to what happens,
because nobody knows for sure obviously what really happens, so
we all can have our own thoughts of what happens.
(58:15):
And I personally think that a lot of you living
on in this world afterwards is because of your impact
while you're here. So for example, like one of my
uncles died when we were when he was pretty young,
and we get to still see what he looks like,
(58:39):
kind of through his daughters and bring up funny stories
about him, so his memory is still living on and like,
even though he's not really here, he's still kind of here.
And like my uncle Jim died, I'm trying to think,
like it's been a long time. I think it's been
like twenty five years ago real and and like we
(59:02):
just were talking about him at a party yes or
this weekend. It's just like he's still around, you know
what I mean. Like, it's just it's just interesting. By
the way, I was yelled at because speaking of uncle Jim,
we've never given Sean Walsh a shout out. So Sean,
(59:24):
if you're listening, I told you to listen today's episode.
And also Jim Feely very hurt that we have not
brought him up. So we well, I guess we talked
about Jimmy. We talked about Jimmy. I saw Jimmy too.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
By the way, did he did he say anything about.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
No, I said, I said, oh, we were talking about
you on lat week's episode. He was down the shore too.
So anyway, my whole point is is that I think
it's it's important for people to leave a mark so
your memory doesn't go away between your family, your friends,
doing good things in the world and things like that.
(59:59):
But as far as what happens when we die, I
don't know. I just like, I just think you're you're
dead in a box or in underground wherever you decide
to go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
So you're dead or you're dead dead. Yeah, it's a
complicated thing, and I think based on everybody's personal beliefs,
they have different versions of it. But I think whatever
you need to think to make death a little easier
on you is perfectly should be fine in everybody else's eyes.
All right, guys, we are gonna be at Crime Con
(01:00:31):
from September fifth to the seventh in Denver, Colorado. We
are very excited to see you there. I think this
schedule is officially getting released this week, and our YouTube
live members know our schedule already because that's some information
you get on there first. If you have a review
for us, please head over to Appler Spotify and leave
it there. Please subscribe to our YouTube channel, and if
(01:00:51):
you have a story for us, please submit it to
stories at Mothernosdeath dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
See you, guys, Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's Assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
(01:01:18):
the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day, and the
(01:01:39):
opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge
of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or
having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit
an urgent care center, emergency room, or hospital. Please rate, review,
(01:02:00):
and subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
or anywhere you get podcasts. Thanks
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great
episode for you today. There's so much happening in the news.
We're gonna get started with Justin Timberlake's diagnosis. We have
an update on an influencer who dismembered her partner and
all of his body parts were found besides his head.
The dangers of swimming on a full stomach, a child
that sustained injuries from an animal encounter, a woman struggle
(00:42):
with insurance coverage after having a bat in her mouth,
and a woman found dead with an unusual item or
should I say items glued to her body. All that
and morel on today's episode. Let's get started with Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
A couple of days ago, Justin Timberlake went on Instagram
to shed some light on what he's been dealing with
in his personal life and revealed that he has lime disease.
Is it Lime's disease or lime disease?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Lime?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Okay, well I've been saying it wrong way ty, everyone does.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That's fine. So there's been stuff going on with him, right,
wasn't he caught drinking and driving at least once.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, well, last summer he got arrested for the DWI,
but then he ended up pleading guilty in the fall
and got a lesser charge. Of course, I mean we
always see that these people that get DUIs and are
drunk driving get like nothing, no penalizations or anything, right,
so he made a pretty good deal.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, but I did see that the judge wasn't happy
with it. So he asked if he would do community service,
and he said he would to any organization of his
choice twenty five hours that need to be done in
a year or so.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Okay, that's nothing, so exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I was happy to see his license got taken away
for a couple of days, but like, you rich enough
to have a driver, so like, that's not going to
affect him at all. So I have been seeing videos
go around the past couple of months of people saying
that his concerts aren't great, some people anyway, that he's
been slow on stage and is not really dancing well
(02:17):
and stuff like that. So this revelation that he has
disease would definitely make sense to that, and maybe people
feel kind of bad for making fun of him. Now, well,
I think from what I was researching in the other
pop culture podcast I listen to, it's either like, if
you go on Reddit, some people think he's either been
(02:39):
misdiagnosed and it's not really lime disease based on what
he's describing he's feeling, and other people think it's convenient
timing the announcement of it because he was getting a
lot of backlash last week because I guess during one
of his songs at a concert. It seems like he's
in Europe right now touring, So at one of his concerts,
you know how singers hold out the microphone to have
people sing like famous lines and their songs or just
(03:03):
a brief stint of it. But he basically had the
crowd sing the entire song and everybody was like, all right,
so I'm paying all this money to see you and
you're not even singing the song. And then two days
later he makes his postity his lime disease, So what
symptoms is he having that people think that he's making
it up.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Just on Reddit, the way people were saying he was
describing it, it was really just nerdy, like he wasn't
saying the right things. I was thinking about this when
I describe I have something to you, I don't know
the medical terminology for it, so everybody's just nitpicking that.
And it's like if I got diagnosed with something, I
don't know the exact medical terminology behind every single symptom
(03:41):
or tests that I've done, Right, I'm just generalizing what's
going on, and I think people could be pulling it
apart simply because of that. Yeah, And I mean every
single time I talk to people that don't have a
medical history and they start telling me something, I'm like, Okay,
you're getting something wrong, or you're a huge parts missing there,
some more to the story, whatever.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But I mean that's that's normal for people that are
not medical because they don't really understand everything. And I mean,
I don't know. I don't ever want to accuse anyone
of making up something like this, And I feel like
he's so high profile that I mean, I guess in theory,
anybody could make something up, but the way people are nowadays,
(04:26):
I feel like they would somehow find out if he
was making this up, so he very well might be
going through this. I don't I don't look at Justin
Timberlake as being like the outdoorsy kind of guy that
would have all of this exposure to ticks and things
like that. But that could happen anywhere if they went
(04:47):
on vacation somewhere and we're outside taking a walk or something.
I mean, my brother possibly just had it, and they're
every single time he's outside doing lawn work and stuff,
he gets tick on him from having trees outside his property.
So it's it's it's not as likely for someone that, like,
(05:08):
doesn't he live in California or something with like palm
trees on his property and stuff. I'm not sure where
he lives, but I know he is in the Hamptons often,
so I'm not sure if they have a tick problem
going on up there. Yeah, I mean, it could just
it could just be he could have got it anywhere,
and it's quite possible. So many people get lime disease.
And what happens is, which is exactly what happened with
(05:30):
my brother a few months ago, was he sends me
this picture of this bite he thinks that he got
and it has a very classic appearance called erythema migrants,
which it looks like a target, like the target logo.
It looks like that, and it happens in a large
percentage of people that get bit by a tick. So
(05:52):
if you ever have a rash that looks like the
target logo, you should always go to urgent car or
your doctor. I don't think it's like run to the
emergency room worthy, but you should go and just get
it checked out because there's a possibility that it's a
tick bite. And what happens is the lime disease occurs.
It's called the zoonotic disease. Do you know what that is?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
That's the transfer from animals to humans.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yes, they're very good, so I did. The bacteria is
present in some mammals and then what happens is a
tick bites the mammals and then they bite us where
mammals as well, and that's how the bacteria gets spread.
So when you see this target rash on your body,
that means that the bacteria is local to that area.
(06:43):
But if you don't go to the doctor, to the
urgent care and get the proper antibiotics, that bacteria can
spread throughout your body and in some people it could
cause serious problems. The most common thing would be like
fatigue or feeling tired all the time and joint pain.
But in even a smaller percentage of people, but it
(07:04):
does happen. It could go to the brain, and it
could go to the heart, and it could cause neurological
symptoms and even maybe changes in men's mental status, some
depression and things like that. So it is interesting because
maybe he was experiencing some of these things and then
(07:24):
I mean, I'm just going out on a limb here,
was drinking to help his symptoms and didn't really know
what was going on because a lot of people, like
some people just get it and move on, and then
other people really have debilitating side effects from this. So
I mean, maybe or maybe he's just an alcoholic. I
don't know. I'm just I'm just putting it out there
(07:45):
that that's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, I think like everybody's putting their tinfoil hats on
because they're like, there's this greater discussion of why do
so many celebrities have lime disease in particular, and it
kind of seems like it's timed up with scandals. I
think most recently we found out Justin Bieber had it.
There was this really famous storyline on Real Housewives of
Beverly Hills where Lisa Renna accused Yolanda Foster of having
(08:09):
Munchausen because she had lined disease and nobody believed her,
and over the years, everybody couldn't believe she caught her
out on it, but it was just one of those things,
like she was sick all the time, the women thought
she was making it up. And I think it's one
of those diseases that people just assume is this false
thing or people are using as an easy excuse.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean, there are blood tests that can be done
to determine if a person has at least been exposed
to this bacteria, and it shouldn't just show up in everyone,
because you know, everyone is a bit by a tick
and doesn't get this bacteria in their body for no reason.
So I don't know. I think, like I do think
(08:50):
that there are a large percentage of celebrities that seem
to have it, but also they have a large platform
so they could talk about it, and on top of that,
they have, in theory the best doctors taking care of
them that might just work up every single blood test
under the sun, just if they have any kind of
symptom which might not happen with regular people, like if
(09:13):
you go to your doctor and just say I'm feeling
tired all the time, and you're having all these symptoms.
My joints really hurt. Like a very good doctor would
just be like, hey, let's just test you for this.
But like we all know that, there's not a lot
of very good doctors that are on top of this,
so it could it could be multifactorial. I just I
(09:34):
don't want to ever say that somebody is making something up,
and I know people do, but I just want to
see the best in people, because that just that's just awful.
If anybody would make something like that up.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, I mean, to your point, it would answer a
lot of questions as to what's been going on in
the last year with him. But at the same time,
it's awesome, pretty good cover up if you're just like
losing control of your life and you're like what worked
for other people?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
So I'm just gonna pull that. But I mean, yeah,
and it's totally possible that this guy's life is like
upturned by this. And I mean, if it's true what
he says that there was talk about having to end
the tour and then he decided to go through with it,
So I mean, why didn't he say something ahead of
(10:22):
time as to now or whatever, because it's like things
are going viral that that something's clearly going on with him.
And I like when I like when celebrities talk about
things because it does bring awareness, because some there might
be a person that's sitting around listening to this and
just saying like, wow, you know, I felt really tired
(10:42):
of my joints hurt, and I did have this rash
months ago that I didn't even realize and like get
treatment for it, you know, when otherwise it's not talked
about like that, or maybe people don't care because it's
not someone famous talking about it, it is important.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I've been seeing this a lot recently because on The
Secret Live Mormon Wives, one of the women had a
lump on her throat that she never noticed, and she
said after the first season aired, a couple of nurses
reached out to her and was like, I think you
should get that lump checked out in your neck and
it ended up being cancerous, and then she shared that
entire story on season two, and she's recently posted that
(11:18):
so many people have been like I have the same
blump and I never thought anything of it until I
watched you, and then I got.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It checked out. Even a couple of people know. Funny
that you said that. It's funny that you say this
because you always make fun of me for pointing out
pathology on people.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, it's you think I'm like a it's the way.
It's not that you're a dick, it's the way you
talk about it, just so nonchalant, Like that would.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Ruin my life if I was just like, yo, your
neck looks really big, you better go get that checked out.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean, you guys just have no idea how she's
like behind the scenes, Like in real life, we call
her doctor Death in the family because she just goes
up to you and she's just like says something absolutely
horrible and you have some rare thing but stuff diagnosed.
One day, one day I might one day I might.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Save someone's life, babe.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Okay, So a couple of weeks ago we talked about
the Beauty and the Geeks start Tamika Chester and how
she's been arrested for allegedly killing and dismembering her boyfriend.
But as we remember, when police got to the house
and found his body, his head was not there. Well,
now they believe a dog has located a skull that
they think belongs to the victim.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, so this is really interesting, right, So that means
that she killed him, dismembered him on location, and then
she did take his head and leave it somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, so they're saying this dog was on a walk
and just went in the shrubs and I guess came
across the skull. So she just took this man's head
and just put it like basically behind some bushes and
just let it naturally disintegrate back there.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It's just crazy. Yeah, I'm not exactly sure what she
was thinking. I mean, maybe she was thinking if she
took his head, they wouldn't be able to identify him,
because obviously you're ether in your head, maybe not thinking
because didn't she set the apartment or the house on fire.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, they had originally responded to a call for a
small fire, but as we know, fires don't often conceal murders.
So like not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, because in theory, the fire could burn en off
tissue off to get even really I mean really, to
get down to the bone would be even asking a lot,
but at least to take the skin off for fingerprints, right,
but you could still get DNA from the body, So
that's out the window. I mean, obviously it's way easier
(13:35):
to identify someone if you suspect like they knew who
it was, and then if they were able to match
his dental records, that would have been like really easy
for them to do, which they could still do now
with the head. So I'm not exactly sure what she
was thinking. What did she do with the head? How
long did she have the head? Did she bring the
head with her and had it for a while and
it started decomposing and smelling, and then she decided to
(13:58):
discard it in the woods somewhere? Like what was going
on there? I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I mean, remember, they were trying to like track her
movements via like people's doorbell cameras to see where she
had possibly placed it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Did she have anything with her when they saw her
on the doorbells?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I don't think so, remember, because they were like stumped,
where is it?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
So what happened? How did she get it out of there?
Is it possible that? Did they say how far away
this location was from the apartment, Like, is it possible
she threw it out the window right outside the apartment
or something like that? I don't believe that was specified
in the article, but I do think they said it
was in the area. But like, to your point, she
(14:42):
could have thrown out the window, but I'm just like,
maybe she just went out another door at some point,
or you don't went back. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Weird story. Definitely weird, all right. So this next story,
it's out of England. Back in twenty twenty three, eighteen
died after swimming in the ocean. They couldn't find her
body for hours, and the coroner has just come out
now to reveal the cause of death.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I wonder why it's taking so long. It's weird. It
is weird.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I mean, do you think it was like one of
those they just had their records concealed because it was
a minor. I don't know, because it wasn't the girl fifteen.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So I don't really know how they handle things there
or why. But this is a really interesting story to
talk about because I remember my entire life every single
time because we had a pool growing up, and every
single time we would go swimming or something, my mom
would say, all right, you guys have to wait like
a half hour before you could go on the pool.
(15:38):
After you eat, and that was like a huge thing,
at least in the eighties anyway, and I think over
time people have disproven that that's the thing, because I
guess the theory was, this is the theory that was
going around at the time, that all of the blood
in your arms and legs would be going to help
you digest food so you would tire more easily and
(16:01):
would you would have a harder time swimming and keeping
yourself above water. That was I guess that's the theory
that people had, And all of these associations, including the
Red Cross, have disproven that and said there's no scientific
evidence that it's unsafe to swim after you eat. And
(16:22):
in fact, just last month, the Washington Post just did
an article saying that there's no scientific evidence to prove
that it's unsafe to eat or unsafe to swim after
you eat. So when we hear this story, if this
is true and autopsy proves it, then this is in
fact a case that can prove that it is unsafe
(16:44):
to swim after eating.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
All right, So what exactly happened to this? Because I
would think, you know, I've swim after eating obviously, and
I get cramps in my side, so that kind of
deters me from wanting you to do it, but in
this case it was just a little more extreme.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
So apparently she ate a huge meal and possibly overate
pizza and fries, and while in the water, it seems
like maybe she possibly got caught in a current or
something and she ended up vomiting and she had aspiration
asphyxia basically, which is when the vomit. So you have
(17:20):
two tubes next to each other in your throat. One
is the esophagus and one is the trachea. The trachea
is otherwise known as the windpipe, which springs the air
in and out of your lungs, and then right behind
that is the esophagus, which brings food in your stomach
and while out of your stomach if you're vomiting. So
(17:41):
what happened was the food came up through the esophagus
into her mouth, and then as she was gasping for air,
she ended up inhaling the food, which caused her to
have asphyxia, which is a lack of oxygen to the brain,
which ultimately made her unco and then she ended up drowning.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
This is just really sad to think about, Like you're
just enjoying. I don't think anybody's thinking like, Oh, I'm
gonna eat lunch on the beach and then go swimming
and then just think this horrible thing is gonna happen.
Like when we hear these warnings. I feel like it's
more related to like, oh, your stomach's gonna hurt, not
like you could possibly throw up a joke on it.
I think the most important part of this story is
(18:24):
that she was swimming and caught in a current, and
that is a recurrent theme this summer, especially with Malcolm
Jamal Warner's death. It's exactly what happened with him, and
he didn't have a full stomach, so this didn't happen
to him. But the point is is that he was
in a current and he was distressed and ended up
drowning because of it, and the same exact thing happened
(18:47):
with this girl.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
So I mean aspiration pneumonia is a thing that happens
sometimes in alcoholics, and that's it's more prone in alcoholics,
but it could happen in other in other circumstances too,
especially like neurological disorders and things like that. But it's
the same exact thing happens from people who vomit that
(19:10):
they could end up inhaling some of the food, but
they don't necessarily die from it. But at all, autopsy sometimes,
especially in people who are alcoholic, you could see little
particles of food actually in the lung tissue. So with
this woman who died drowning, when they said they couldn't
find her for a couple of days, right, so she
(19:30):
would have been decomposed any say, a couple of hours, Oh,
just a couple of hours, right, nevermind, So they would
have opened grossly. They would have opened her tracheyet and
saw that it was lodged with vomit, which is enough
to say that that was cutting off her airflow. But
then microscopically too, you would actually be able to see
particles of food underneath of the microscope in the lung
(19:53):
tissue and not in this case that it's cool from
a scientific perspective. I always thought that that was really cool.
So you could see, like they said that she had
pizza and fries, right like, under the microscope, you'll actually
be able to see like plant cells from the tomatoes
or mushrooms or any peppers that she had on the
(20:13):
pizza as well, that you could see inside of the
lung tissue, which is never ever supposed to be there,
and that can confirm aspirational asphyxia. Okay, let's move on
to this next one.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
This one is so the pictures of the video from
this are show crazy. In Texas, this mom was at
an aquarium with her six year old and he was
petting an octopus, which at first I was like, is
this allowed? But I guess this was an attraction at
this particular aquarium. So this woman had been there many
times with her son. They were regularly visiting the octopus
(20:45):
she was staying. In the past, the octopus would lightly
grab her son's arm, but it would always let go.
They didn't really think anything of it. But on this
particular day, the octopus grabbed the sun's arm and just
wouldn't let go at all. So they're really calm about it,
and I can't believe the child was so calm about
being gripped by a creature like that, But he just
basically said to the mom like, he won't let me go.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And then the octopus starts basically coming out of the
tank like grabbing the kid more and they had to
call people over to get it off the kid.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I guess. The weirdest part is so she has a
TikTok video that's almost six minutes long explaining what happened,
and I really like it because she gives a lot
of background on what the story was going into. How
her son was into aquatic animals and they must have
a membership for their local aquarium, and they went the
(21:38):
day that they heard and an octopus was coming. They
went to meet it and it was small, like a
young octopus, I guess. And then she said they hadn't
went for a couple of months because they were traveling
and things like that. And then when they went back,
the octopus was huge, to the point that she said,
is that the same one? And they said, yeah, it
(22:00):
just grew up and it got bigger. Well from this
aquarium's own TikTok that they made about this particular animal,
this animal is capable of dragging seven hundred pounds of weight. Yeah,
and this octopus at this point is the size of
this six year old child. Right. So the mom goes
(22:22):
on to explain how the sun felt comfortable touching the
octopus because he has visited it so many times, and
it is kind of crazy to look at the video
because this thing is trying to grab it and is
sucked on this kid to the point where a couple
of adults actually I think it was three adults were
(22:44):
not able to get this octopus off of the kid.
And when they finally did, he had like over twenty
bruises on his arm from the suction of this animal,
which is essentially like having twenty hickeys on his arm.
Write their petichial hemorrhages, the same thing that you would
see in a hickey.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So the bruises, to me were so fascinated. I've never
seen I mean, I'm sure you've seen similar stuff. I've
never seen anything like that before. I thought it was
so interesting from the suction cups on the arms.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And I also found.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It interesting that the aquarium issued their own TikTok after
the mother issued her TikTok explaining how the animal operates
and how they made the case worse. Like, yes, and
so when you get.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
A hickey, right, it's just these little tiny blood vessels
at the surface of your skin bursting and they cost
those little pin everybody knows what that looks like, right,
anytime you could do it on yourself if you just
put your arm up to your mouth and you suck,
or you're like my daughter Lucia and you put a
bottle on your lip and try to make your lips
bigger because of some video you saw on YouTube, right,
(23:52):
it is a very specific look. It doesn't physically hurt really,
and it might look a lot worse than it actually is.
That That's not what I'm concerned about here. I'm concerned
that this animal the size of a child is able
to hook onto it so strong that people can't get
it off of the child. And like, who's to say,
(24:16):
since that octopus is able to carry seven hundred pounds,
that it doesn't pick the child up and drag it
into the tank and all of a sudden the child
is stuck underwater. That's what I was thinking too.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I also found this is gonna be judgmental of me,
but like the mom was like, I wasn't gonna touch it,
Like I don't want to touch any creatures either, but
if my kid's getting wrapped up in it, I don't
care what happens to the animal. Like, I know that's
insensitive to say, but like, your child safety comes first.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I agree with her. Like I think in that situation,
if the thing was stuck on one of my kids
and the kid and one of my kids said, I'm
not in any pain, I would do that too because
I don't Number one, I I wouldn't want to take
it off because I don't want to piss it off
those so Octopectopa whatever however you say it, they have
(25:10):
like a beak they don't have there are there. Obviously
they don't have a vertebrae, so they don't have many bones.
But they have a really hard beak, which is what
helps them crack the shells of animals that they're eating.
And they don't typically ever use it for humans because
they don't they don't want us, right, but they're they've
been known to bite humans. It's not that they never have.
(25:32):
So if my kid was saying that they were fine
and you were just gonna let staff get it off,
I would do the same thing, because you don't want
to piss that thing off that and have it actually
have the ability to hurt the kid, and and like
plus you don't because it's a rare animal. It's like
on display at the at the aquarium. Like you don't
want to hurt it. It's not the animal's fault like that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm not saying go out of your way to hurt it.
I'm just saying, like, I don't know. So there was
no employees around, so it took a couple of years
for somebody to come over. I'm saying that too with
the kid getting pulled in and drowned, Like obviously, I
think it's a little bizarre that she had to call
employees over and like there wasn't someone immediately there. It
(26:17):
was like kind of having to find somebody because this
could have been bad, Like what if she was, I
don't know, talking around on the other side, talking to
her friend. And I mean, I just look at any
time children are having interactions with animals like that, there
should always be staff that are have their all eyes,
like a couple people watching what's happening there. So I
(26:37):
think it's very unlikely that the octopus could pull the
kid in, but it has the capability of doing that.
The craziest part of this whole story is that the
mom said that she went back to see the octopus
like next time they went there, and that thing looked
through the tank at her son and moved its location
from where it was, and it turned completely white and
(26:59):
camouflaged in with the bottom like one hundred and like
went over to the sun like it recognized him. And
it's it sounds silly to say that, but they can.
They're very intelligent animals and they can recognize humans. Yeah,
And I was reading also that sometimes they turn way
and blend in as like a few, like when they're
(27:19):
scared or they feel threatened, so that I guess when
there's predators. So I don't know if it couldn't differentiate
if it was a predator because it got ripped off
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Well, that's what's really interesting, because I was reading that
when an octopus is in activity, they've been known to
do like friendly hand shakes or hand hugs with people
that they like, which would be it grabbing on to
that boy like that perhaps, And then they it said
that they spit at people they like, emit this water
(27:52):
from people that they feel that are threatened it or
they don't like. And if you recall in that video,
the second video that was made by the employee that
was talking about it, did you hear her say that
it's spit at her? Yeah, But do you also find
by like the end of the video, it was like
really grabbing onto her arm and she seemed like frightened.
(28:16):
I don't think that video was beneficial to the aquarium
at all either. Like the whole time I'm watching it
and I'm just like, you're telling us that this thing
is Kate, is the size of a child and is
capable of dragging seven hundred pounds, and you're trying to
make us feel like it's capable of giving you these
hickeys all over or octopi kisses, whatever they call it,
(28:39):
and capable of leaving us hickeys all over your arm
up to two weeks, and you're just trying to tell
us like, hey, it's safe, come pet this thke. I
think at the very I think the point of the
video was trying to say that, like, if it grabs
onto it's very normal to have residual bruising, but like
in that case, they need to have a sign or
something on the side that is like, just have caution.
(29:03):
This animal is strong, but they generally are very friendly,
but you may have some minor bruises after you interact
with it. And it does make me kind of just
want to go touch it, honestly, like, but also the
thing I guess the thing is is that there's questions
like is it stressed out? Because a normal octopus in
(29:24):
an environment is definitely not having interactions with humans like
that on that kind of a basis, So is it
stressed in the environment? I mean, think about like hundreds
of little kids every single day, like coming in and
sticking their dirty hands in the tank and everything, like
it is the tank too small for the for this
(29:44):
animal to be living in? Like questions like that. I mean,
she clearly has it on video and you could see
this thing change color like that. I didn't even know
they did that. Yeah, it's it's really cool. They're really
really smart. Like I want one as a pet. This
(30:08):
episode is brought to you by the Grosser Roop. So
this week we did our celebrity death dissection on hul
Coogan and we talked all about the side effects of
long term steroid use, which is really interesting. I also
have another theory about what might have been going on
with him towards the end of his life, so you
could read that to check that out. We did our
(30:29):
second live session in the gross Room that is only
for Grossroom members, and we talked about some other stories
we didn't talk about a mother knows death, like the
gay couple that had a surrogate deliver their baby only
to find out that one of the guys in the
couple was a registered sex offender. And we also talked
about that terrible case of that guy who killed those
(30:55):
parents in front of their children while they were hiking.
So all that and more in the Grosser Room. And
don't forget to sign up so you could have that
exclusive episode with us. Yeah, head over to the grocerroom
dot com now to sign up. All right. So, wow,
this is a freakin' freak thing to happen to somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So last August, a thirty three ye old woman was
visiting Glenn Canyon National Recreation Area in Arizona. She had
noticed a bunch of bats flying around but didn't think
too much of it. Then she was taking pictures of
the night sky and one of the bats got in
between her camera and her face and ended up in
her mouth at some point. So her dad, who was
a doctor, was like, you need to go to the
hospital and get raby treatment immediately, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
So this is when the story kind of got well,
I mean, I guess that's the weirdest part of the story.
But so apparently she had just left one of her
jobs and she was offered insurance called Cobra to cover
her until she got her next job for insurance coverage,
which she decided to declined because she just was very
(32:03):
healthy and just wanted to take the risk and not
pay the money. And right before she went to the hospital,
at her father's advice, she went online and purchased a
health insurance plan. So she goes to the hospital and
they say that she needs to have four different rabies
(32:24):
treatments and which she wants to get, which obviously, because
I don't know if you remember, but in a Mother
Knows Death, we talked about a couple cases of bats
specifically giving people rabies. And in one of the cases,
remember there was a bat in a child's bedroom and
(32:47):
the kid had like two pinpoint little things that didn't
even realize that it was a bit because their teeth
are so small, like you might not even feel it.
And that's why it was a good idea for the
dad to say, like, hey, you don't really know if
you got bit, like you should if you ever have
an interaction with a bat, you should go to the
hospital like that's just a known thing, right, So she
(33:12):
gets all these treatments and then finds out that that
insurance policy that she bought you had to wait thirty
days before it would cover you. So now she's stuck
with twenty thousand dollars worth of bills.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I mean, I guess this is just an example of
the risk you take, right when you don't get the
lapse and or when you don't have the health endurance
and there's a gap.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, like this is the thing, Like we could sit
there and talk about how things should be and how
things are right, how things should be. Is this is ridiculous.
You shouldn't have to pay for this. How the hell
does four Raby's treatments cost twenty thousand dollars? Like go
on and on and on, but like when you live
(33:59):
in a America, that is the way that it is, right,
So that is the risk. It's a risk you take
if you don't have insurance because of exactly something like this.
I've said this. I mean I think didn't Ricky do
that at some point? I think my brother's done that
at some point, Like and I always am like, what
if you're appendix burst like that could really ruin you financially,
(34:21):
even though you seem like you never get sick or anything.
This is like, I'm sure this was the last thing
this girl thought was going to happen, was that a
bat was going to go into her mouth, right.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I don't think my husband had health insurance until he
met me and I forced him to get a policy.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I mean, you hear this all the time though, because
people are like, oh, I don't need it and stuff
like that. So, I mean that was mistake number one.
Mistake number two is like I don't even know what
she was thinking that you could just go by an
insurance policy and then get coverage because like obviously everybody
would do that that there's always a waiting period. It's
(34:57):
never immediate like that. I mean, yeah, I mean you
can't get in a car accident and then call Geico
and say, hey, I want to be covered and they
cover the accident like that's oh, I'll pay twenty dollars
and get this twenty thousand dollars thing covered. Like that's
just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, I feel like after they did the claim and
stuff too, and they found out the time she purchased
the policy versus the time she was in the hospital.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That would also trigger a.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Red flag too, even if there wasn't a week period.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Oh my husband just died. Let me take out life
insurance and policy on them. Like that's not how Like
insurance just never ever works like that. So it's kind
of bizarre that she thought that that was going to work.
But I do want to say, I mean to her defense,
like number one, I feel like things like this should
be free anyway, just because it's a public health concern.
(35:50):
I mean, you really do not want a person getting
brabies from a bat and dying from it. This is
like a public health you know how, like they give
out free vaccine for COVID and measles and stuff. I mean,
this is up there, in my opinion with like something
that should be given for public health reason.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah, but is the COVID vaccine free if you have
health insurance?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Like if you probably not. But there's plenty of programs
for things of public health nature that are free. So
I don't know why. I don't really know, Like maybe
that's something that she could route, she can go, but
also just think about it, like why, like how on
earth is it so much money? Like it's just out
(36:33):
of control, like twenty thousand dollars. I think she got
the bill, like she got some stuff taken off of it,
but it's still nineteen thousand dollars and like that. That
just seems completely outrageous.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
All right, This is exactly what I'm trying to say
though about Luigi Manngioni, is like, how are they gonna
find a jury that's not been affected? Like they're gonna
find twelve people that have never at all been affected
by the healthcare industry. And I'm talking about even this.
Sometimes people say they review their hospital bills and see
they were charged five hundred dollars for a tile and all, like, listen, ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I worked in a hospital for a very long time,
and I'll tell you the waste is out of control.
I I'll never forget two different things that happened. Okay,
So one time, we a lot of times we work
in conjunction with a lab called flowcitometry, because we get
(37:26):
specimens that are fresh to look at lymphoma, and we
have to put it in a special medium before we
put it in formaldehyde. And sometimes with those cases we
would get blood with it too that would have to
go up to the lab with the tissue, and if
we were not available to immediately bring that up to them,
we would want to put it in a refrigerator until
(37:47):
we had a chance to go up to the floor
and bring it to them or to have somebody come
get it. So the bottom line is is that we
needed a mini refrigerator in the lab now to hold
a couple vials of blae. Right. I feel like I
just got my kids won a couple years ago of
the size we needed on Amazon for like thirty bucks
(38:09):
for their skincare crap. Right, Yeah, those things are cheap. No,
we couldn't get something like that because we had to
get one that was through Fisher Scientific and it was
like almost one thousand dollars for like to stick a
couple bals of blood. And I'm not lying, right, So
(38:31):
I'd be like, no, like I could just I could
just go on Amazon and order it and it'll be here,
and you guys could just give me back the thirty bucks. No, Nicole,
you don't understand what the procedure is. That money has
to come from here and it has to be approved, this,
that and the other, and you're just like this is
total bullshit. Another time we needed a cart to do
frozen sections. And Andrea was just like, all right, well,
(38:54):
like I could go to aika. They're like, you know,
one hundred bucks, not even whatever, like one of those
silver trays you know you would push food around with
or whatever. No, again, needed one from fish or Scientific
over five hundred dollars. Like then we were having this
thing that we were throwing out all of these the
little cassettes that we used to put tissue in to
(39:14):
send to histology to get the slides made. So when
I worked at one hospital, we would only print what
we needed, but at the newer hospital I was working at,
they would pre print everything. And it was so stupid
because I would be like, why, Like, you don't know
how much I'm going to need until I do it,
so why don't you just let me print them instead
of them getting pre printed? So nobody listened to me.
(39:36):
So one day, Annette and I got one of those
boxes that you put printer in your paper and you know,
and I threw all the ones that I would normally
put in the trash can. I threw in that box.
In one month, those that box was filled to the
very top right, and I did the work the math
on how much that was that I was throwing away
(39:58):
a year, and it was seventy five thousand dollars worth
of stuff that I was throwing away, right, It's insane.
And I went to my boss at the time and
I was like, you keep telling us that we can't
get another employee because our department doesn't have enough money.
And I just prove to you that we throw away
with this, just this one product, seventy five thousand dollars worth,
(40:22):
which would pay for a full time PA at this place.
This was years ago when that was the going salary.
But I'm like, do you see the amount of waste
that is going on. If that's just like one little
product in one little lab in one little hospital, imagine
what's happening at every hospital nationwide. The waste is out
(40:44):
of control and that ultimately gets pushed off to the consumer,
which is us.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, and I'm sure I'm sure our nurses that are
listening have even worse stories.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Oh god, I can't even imagine. Yeah, I mean, and
then you get like you get cut on things like
we don't have any money for like life saving machines
or things that could cause patients to die or cause
nurses to get in trouble because they're not monitoring patients correctly.
Like it's just it's out of control.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Yeah, I mean, aside to this story is like we
can argue like why is the cost of American health
care so expensive?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And then knowing that, why didn't.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
This girl get the lapse coverage that she needed? Because
this is exactly what happens to people. It's a shitty system.
But you just have to understand it's like what we're
working with right now.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, it really is, and it's it's a good thing
to teach people because that it's it's like, you know,
my brother took the risk, Ricky took the risk, and
like luckily nothing happened to them, but like one little
thing that could happen, and this is nothing. Twenty thousand
dollars is nothing, no I think about, Like my story
was tens of thousands of dollars exactly. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
The insurance hit so like you and you don't know,
oh exactly, if you get in a car accident, if
your appendix burst, anything could happen you at any time.
Anybody that listens to this podcast should know that anything
could happen to you at any time, including a bat
flying in your mouth of vacation. So she said, I
know what bats tastes like. Now it's earthy kind of
sweet flavor, so disgusting.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, I mean, listen, bat bat's rabies is so fatal.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I just I don't care, Like if I was going
even if she knew she was going to be in
twenty thousand dollars worth of debt, like, I would not
mess around with that. There's been not every single human
that's ever gotten rabies. There's only been like twenty cases
in the history of forever that people have survived it.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
No thanks, that's like a scared deal with that later
type of deal. You just have to get the care
for yourself at that point. All right. Last week, a
twenty year old woman riding a bus was found dead
and the cops were surprised to find that she had
twenty six iPhones glued to her body. All right, so
this is really weird.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I guess as of right now, they're not saying exactly
what her cause of death was, which I really hope
that they get back to us with this because I'm
really curious. I mean, just besides the fact that this
is so bizarre because I guess she also had a
bag with her that was filled with alcohol and additional phones. Yeah,
(43:22):
so I'm not sure, but she's only twenty years old,
and apparently people were saying that it seemed as if
she suffered a seizure and then she went into cardiac arrest,
so her heart stopped. So I'm really curious about this
because you know how there's all this talk about the
(43:42):
radio waves that are coming off of the phone, how
they could be harmful to our health. And so the
American Cancer Society and the FDA, they've deemed that there's
this certain magic number that anything over that could cause
changes in DNA mutation and could cause acute health effects,
(44:04):
and anything under that is considered safe for human consumption.
And they've all determined, all of these associations that the
amount of radio frequency waves that come from a phone
are they're not harmful at the level that they're at. Correct. Okay,
So the only thing that they're saying that there has
been confirmation of is that those waves can cause in
(44:28):
a person or can cause a person's body temperature to rise. Now,
my question is the studies are done with one person
and one phone, right, because who has more than one
phone on them? What happens Like were those phones that
were glued to her body, were they on, were they working?
(44:50):
And what happens when a person has twenty phones now
on their body and twenty amount of those radio frequency
waves write adjacent to their body Because when you think
about people that have hyperthermia or an increased body temperature,
which is anything that could be over one hundred and
(45:10):
three degrees, you could see people start having seizures and stuff.
So was the actual waves from the phone causing it?
Or like was she being trafficked or something? Or was
was she trying to smuggle the phones?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Who knows what was going on there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I guess their leading theory is that she was trying
to traffic the items. Also, is it possible that, like
I'm thinking, to glue these objects on her body, she's
probably using something like a POxy, right, which is extremely toxic,
So could that have been an issue too? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Absolutely? I just don't like, why why do you if
you had let's say you had fifty phones in your bag, Like,
what do you tra I don't understand what you're smuggling
is it not legal to have that many phones on you, Like,
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I don't know this happened in Brazil, so I'm not
exactly sure what the item trafficking was or if having
phones was illegal. It just seems very unusual. My question
for you is, like, if you get a person, well,
I'm assuming these like are these phones glued to her
like undershirt or they glued to her skin directly, I.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Have no idea.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
So if you get an autopsy where somebody is objects
glued all over to them, what do you do about it?
You were because they said they had removed the phones
to put into evidence.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, I mean you would just document all of them
and extensively. I mean I don't know how extensively they
would do it, but you can. You could do it
down to like what serial number was located at what
part of the body, and then you would just take
it off, photograph it, document it, and give it to
(46:48):
the authorities who were doing an investigation. Because obviously, like
especially if they were iPhones, they're all they're all tracked, right,
you know where they all came from. The GPS on
all of them, you could probably trace where it originated.
And where it is now, Like, I just really want
to know more about this because it's just so bizarre,
(47:10):
it really is.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Okay, let's move on to Questions of the Day. Every
Friday at that at mother nos Death Instagram account, you
guys can head over to the story and ask whatever
you want first. For the Idaho murders, is it normal
when there is a victim of murder to not be
able to be viewed by their family members? Just surprising
the family didn't know what happened to them until recently.
Is that because of the gag order?
Speaker 1 (47:35):
You mean to like actually view their body, like their
dead body or their autopsy report. I so I don't
know what's going on with the autopsy report, but this
is interesting that somebody brought this up today because I
saw I think it was the Twitter account or x
account of the podcast Pretty Lies and Alibis. Yesterday they
(48:01):
posted that they tried to get all of the records
from the Brian Coburger case, all of the records, not
just the ones that have been available to the public,
ban all of them, which would make the staff there
have to go through every single document and redact everything
that needed to be redacted. And it would couse so
(48:23):
much work. Guess how much they said it costs? How much?
Twenty thousand dollars what? So the Pretty Lies and Alibis
podcast was like, yeah, I'm gonna have to pass, right,
but like, will dateline pass on that? Because that's not
shit to them, you know what I mean? It's interesting
(48:43):
and listen. At first, I was like kind of butt
hurt by it, and I was like, this is really
messed up that they're like gonna be making money off this,
but it sounds like the amount of work that would
go into it, Like they have to pay employees to
do all that work. But aren't they paying it?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Isn't somebody redacting them anyway, And that's why they're taking
so long to get released and coming out in like
different increments.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I don't know, and I don't know if they're all
getting released.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I mean, I requested the autopsy report two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
I haven't even heard anything bad. Yeah, So anyway, getting
back to that, that's what I was gonna say. So
all I saw so far in the documents that have
been released for free online is an autopsy summary, which
is nowhere near what the autopsy report is. And I'm
kind of like not one hundred percent impressed with the
way that the injuries have been described. So I don't
(49:36):
know what's going on. I don't know how they do
the reports. I'm sure each person had an individual report.
I haven't seen them yet.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
But.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
As far as seeing that, I don't know. I'm assuming
that because of the gag order, the families didn't have
access to that, and I'm not sure, like I'm not
sure that that's necessarily like a bad thing. Did they
need to have access to that? I mean, like, I'm
just trying to think, like, if Maria got stabbed to
(50:07):
death in college, obviously, as a parent, I would want
the right to that because it's my kid. But at
the same time, I don't know if I could ever
read one of my family member's autopsy reports.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I would just think though as far as this question,
which is like is it normal for them not to
be viewed?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Do we know for a fact that they weren't.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Viewed because they might have known exactly what happened at
the very beginning, but because of the gag order, couldn't
say anything. No, Because Steve Gonzalvez said that he didn't
know how many times she got stabbed Okay, so he
just said that.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I believe he said it. I believe the first time
he found out was was the day of the plea
sentencing or shortly within that time. I know he's been
vocal that he didn't know. Listen, Like, I know that
(51:08):
we talk about this. This is like what I talk
about for a living is autopsies and autopsy reports and stuff.
But I imagine if this happens to you personally, I
could assure you that you do not want to see
your loved one that has been stabbed to death, especially
Kaylee who was disfigured by whatever stab wounds slash blunt
(51:32):
instrument destroyed her face, making her unrecognizable. You do not
want to ever see your child like that. So you
definitely wouldn't want to. Like I think a lot of times,
even some people in the hospital that have been really
sick and the family members insist on viewing their bodies,
we would put sheets like up to their neck, and
(51:57):
sometimes we would even cover their entire face and and
we would just let their arm out so they could
just like sit by them and hold their hand and
rub their arm and stuff. But a lot of times
you'd like there's been a lot of studies done and
stuff that says that that could have lasting psychological damage
(52:17):
on a person more than the actual trauma of the
death itself. So it happens a lot of times, like
if a persons found decomposed and a person says, I
really want to see my son, and then the medical
examiners say, we definitely highly advise against that, and they
sometimes they even make you sign a waiver because they know,
(52:39):
because we know how bad it looks.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Right, yeah, and they don't want to get sued.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
So it's the same. And I would argue it's the
same thing with the reports. And I can even say
this for myself that after I even read the little
bit of the report and the summary that was released
that day after Maria and I sat here and watched
that sentencing, that I I got like re traumatized, I
(53:05):
would say, from the crime all over again. It was
so upsetting to actually hear about these injuries and to
read about them, and to just think about that being
your child. I I would avoid it. I wouldn't even
want to know. I just I wouldn't want to know
because all I would think about is them laying on
(53:26):
that table and having all of these injuries and being
filayed open in front of me, like, I just wouldn't
want to know.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Well, you know what that looks like too. So I
don't think the average person knows exactly how gruesome that
would be.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just awful. Okay.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
So this person says, just had EMB two sample scent.
So what is path looking for?
Speaker 1 (53:51):
So an EMB is an endometrial biopsy. So sometimes they
do that. I've had two of them now. They do
it if you have abnormal bleeding or cramping or anything
like that. But they also do it in women who
especially women who are older in postmenopausal and then all
of a sudden start bleeding. That's like a huge sign
of endometrial cancer. Usually in younger people, that's not what
(54:14):
they're looking for per se, but they will look for
that as well. They'll look for anything that is potentially
causing the abnormal bleeding, infections, polyps, endometrial hyperplasia, precancerous changes, fibroids.
Sometimes I don't know if they could really get deep
(54:36):
enough to get into the myometrum, which is the muscle
under the endometrum, but they could. You know, you could
have abnomiosis, which is endometril glands or endometriosis within the
wall of the uterus itself, which is usually only a
diagnosis set specific after the uterus is taken out, unfortunately.
(54:56):
But they're just going to be looking for all those
sorts of things to determine and if they can figure
out that's why you're having the abnormal bleeding, and that
could Like most of the time, I mean both times
I got it done, it was like, yeah, you have
a couple of polyps and that's it. Like it didn't
really give any kind of answers, to be honest with you,
(55:17):
So sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. Is that something you.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
Get like full blown surgery for or they just take
through your vagina? You can.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
A brave soul might get it done with no anesthesia.
I wouldn't. I know that they can, but often or
most times, they will want you to get I don't
know if you have to get intubated and stuff. It's
more of like a twilight kind of drug, I would say,
(55:49):
because you don't. I mean, it's quick once they do it,
and they could do it and take it and it
doesn't I don't know that it requires you to be
put all the way out, But I feel like both
times that I had it done, it was just a twilight.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Yeah, all right, last, what are your thoughts on afterlife?
Speaker 1 (56:15):
I don't know what about you? Hear what you say. First.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
I'm not really a religious person, but I do, in
some world believe there's like I don't know, I believe
there's like a higher being or you could be like
spiritually reconnected to somebody in some capacity, but I don't
know what that looks like for me. There's that doesn't
look like heaven or Hell per se. Right, It's just
(56:41):
this thing that kind of doesn't exist, this in between
where you like, if you die you can meet up
with people. I don't know, but to me, it's not
like as straightforward as heaven or Hell. I don't really
believe in God or anything like that, but I do
believe in like karma and the universe sending signals and
signs and everything like that. But I'm definitely not the
(57:01):
type of person that's in the zodiacs or all that
shit either. So I think I'm in this weird in between.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
I don't know. I mean, obviously I think about this
a lot because I've had I've been around so many
dead people, and I like, you know, we grew up Catholic,
and I do like the idea of this fictional world
that exists that when a loved one dies, you'll be
able to rejoin with them one day, because obviously that
(57:31):
makes death a lot easier to handle, because death is
so final, and just to think that that's the end
of that person is just very it's hard to wrap
your brain around. So I wish, I wish and hope
that that's the case, that that there's this world where
like when my husband and I die and our kids die,
(57:54):
that like we'll all be walking around barefoot on clouds
in white linen suits and will rejoin each other and
be able to hang out again. I guess all of
us are just having a theory as to what happens,
because nobody knows for sure obviously what really happens, so
we all can have our own thoughts of what happens.
(58:15):
And I personally think that a lot of you living
on in this world afterwards is because of your impact
while you're here. So for example, like one of my
uncles died when we were when he was pretty young,
and we get to still see what he looks like,
(58:39):
kind of through his daughters and bring up funny stories
about him, so his memory is still living on and like,
even though he's not really here, he's still kind of here.
And like my uncle Jim died, I'm trying to think,
like it's been a long time. I think it's been
like twenty five years ago real and and like we
(59:02):
just were talking about him at a party yes or
this weekend. It's just like he's still around, you know
what I mean. Like, it's just it's just interesting. By
the way, I was yelled at because speaking of uncle Jim,
we've never given Sean Walsh a shout out. So Sean,
(59:24):
if you're listening, I told you to listen today's episode.
And also Jim Feely very hurt that we have not
brought him up. So we well, I guess we talked
about Jimmy. We talked about Jimmy. I saw Jimmy too.
Speaker 2 (59:36):
By the way, did he did he say anything about.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
No, I said, I said, oh, we were talking about
you on lat week's episode. He was down the shore too.
So anyway, my whole point is is that I think
it's it's important for people to leave a mark so
your memory doesn't go away between your family, your friends,
doing good things in the world and things like that.
(59:59):
But as far as what happens when we die, I
don't know. I just like, I just think you're you're
dead in a box or in underground wherever you decide
to go.
Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
So you're dead or you're dead dead. Yeah, it's a
complicated thing, and I think based on everybody's personal beliefs,
they have different versions of it. But I think whatever
you need to think to make death a little easier
on you is perfectly should be fine in everybody else's eyes.
All right, guys, we are gonna be at Crime Con
(01:00:31):
from September fifth to the seventh in Denver, Colorado. We
are very excited to see you there. I think this
schedule is officially getting released this week, and our YouTube
live members know our schedule already because that's some information
you get on there first. If you have a review
for us, please head over to Appler Spotify and leave
it there. Please subscribe to our YouTube channel, and if
(01:00:51):
you have a story for us, please submit it to
stories at Mothernosdeath dot com.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
See you, guys, Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's Assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
(01:01:18):
the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day, and the
(01:01:39):
opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge
of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or
having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit
an urgent care center, emergency room, or hospital. Please rate, review,
(01:02:00):
and subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
or anywhere you get podcasts. Thanks
Elvis Duran and the Morning Show ON DEMAND News
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.