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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about another dumb TikTok challenge, an unusual
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cause of death in a young girl who fell off
of a boat and died, the most random reason to
stab someone, another person pretending to be a healthcare professional,
and a dad who has oral sex.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All that and more on Toddy's.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Episode, Let's talk about this stupid ass TikTok challenge.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
All right, So this trend started after this resurface photo
of Nicki Minaj from a twenty thirteen music video came out.
So basically what the trend is is you wear high
heels and you squat and then you put one leg
over the other and you see how long you can balance.
So everybody's doing crazy stuff. I saw one where this
woman was on her stiletto high heels, standing on two
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bottles of like botox, like the vials, balancing on those,
and then people are trying to you know, be on books,
on their countertops whatever. I guess the challenge is to
see the smallest object you could basically balance on. So
this Russian influencer was seemingly trying to balance on a
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container of it looked like baby formula right and on
top of.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Her because she's and she's two months postpartum by the way.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
She just gave birth to a baby eight weeks before this,
so she's trying to balance on top of this baby formula.
She falls off of her countertop and ends up breaking
her spine.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
This is like the dumbest shit. I've been seeing these
photos all over and I'm just like, do you have
a life, Like, seriously, no.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's it's really lame. It's just really lame.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And think about like when you have a you have
a baby, you have a two month old baby in
your life after having a baby, and like you're concerned
about making a video putting on a para stilettos and
balancing on a baby formula a container like it's it's
kind of loser vibes. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
What's concerning for me is that most of the videos
I've seen are at doctor's offices with the staff doing them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, you're saying someone balanced on botox files, like that's
clearly a photoshopped image, Like you wouldn't be able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
That like, how would you do that on two vials? Like,
that's not even possible.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
No, I know. So a lot of people are doing
green screen versions of it, and they're just generating so,
I mean, they're all the videos I've seen are generating
so much engagement, so I guess everybody doing it is
getting a big plus from it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So, so now this mother of a of a two
month old baby has a compression fracture of the vertebral
body or her backbone, and now has to be in
excruciating pain and heal from this while she's trying to
take care of a newborn child. It's just like, and
you look at it. When you watch the video of
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her doing it, You're like, oh, she fell surprised.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Shocker.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I've seen a bunch of like outtake videos too
of people falling, and I'm just like, of course, you
fel like, look at what you're balancing on. It's not
even possible.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
The Internet it just makes people so dumb.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It really does. I mean, I don't see this trend
ending soon because I keep seeing new videos every single
day of people just taking it to the next extreme,
or like you're saying, people using green screens to make
it look like they're balancing on something really smart.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I actually have more respect for the people that are
using the green screen than people that are actually.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Trying to do it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It just seems it just seems so ridiculous and such
a waste of everyone's time. All right, let's talk about
this is a this is a good story to learn from, actually,
and this is a real sad story. It is so
this eleven year old was on a boat with her
family and then suddenly she fell off. They didn't find
her body for a couple of hours, and then it
turns out that she had carbon monoxide poisoning, which made
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her become unconscious and seemingly fall over the edge, and
then she.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Ended up drowning.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, so this is a really unusual cause of death. Obviously,
an eleven year old is pretty healthy, and I guess
we could be asking the question as to why she
wasn't wearing a life vest, right. I know that Corney
Kardashian had posted a photo this week being in a
boat with her child, And this is something that celebrities
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just never ever learn. They always are posting their pictures
in their rich person boat right, traveling the world in
the ocean, and they have little kids in there without
life jackets on, and everyone in the comment section never
fails like rips them a new one and is just like,
why doesn't your kid have a life fest on inside
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of a boat?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Right? So this kid was eleven years.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Old and should have had a life fest on, which
would have saved her life, because even if she ended
up having the carbon monoxide and became unconscious and went
into the water, if her head wasn't summersed underwater, she
wouldn't have drowned and she might still be able to
be alive today. So that's an important lesson number one.
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Number two, I think a lot of people assume that
you're not at risk for carbon monoxide poisoning if you're
out in the open like that, and that simply isn't true.
It's just more likely to happen in an enclosed space.
So it's the same you hear all the time people
either accidentally die or dying by suicide by being in
a garage with the car on. Right, Because the carbon
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monoxide accumulates in a confined space. Well, if you're on
a boat, that's especially one that's going slower and the
motor is emitting carbon oxide and you're sitting close to
it long enough, all of the air that you're breathing
in is not filled with oxygen. It's filled with carbon monoxide.
So what happens is normally you should have about like
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twenty one percent of oxygen in the air that you're
breathing in, and then the less and less of that
that's present could cause you to die from a chemical
asphyxia it's called, and that's when something else is getting
breathed in besides oxygen. So when you breathe in oxygen,
your blood takes that oxygen to your organs and that's
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how you stay alive. But when you breathe in carbon monoxide,
it holds on to the oxygen on the red blood
cells and it doesn't release it to the organs. So
it's really interesting actually at autopsy because when that oxygen
gets released off of the cells when you die, you
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get live remortis, which is when the blood in your
boxy and your blood vessel starts pulling to dependent areas.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Of your body.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And in a normal, a normal death that's not carbon
monoxide that will give a purple appearance, and that's because
the red blood cells aren't holding onto the oxygen anymore.
But in a carbon monoxide death, when those red blood
cells are holding onto the oxygen, it gives the appearance
of the live remortis isn't purple. It's like a bright red.
It's called cherry red lividity. And you could also see
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this in the organs too, they're bright red. And even
the blood has been described as like a kool aid
color like it gives it this bright red appearance. So
right off the bat, doing an autopsy on someone that
has carbon monoxide, you would see these gross findings that
would make you suspicious for it, and then you could
also test it in the blood as well to confirm it.
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So they determine that she had this carbon monoxide poisoning.
She fell over into the water unconscious and then she
drowned as a result of that. And we talked about
that with Malcolm Jamal Warner in the past, that drowning
is not always a true diagnosis. But you always say, okay, well,
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why why did someone drown? Why were they incapacitated? Was
it something as simple as they couldn't swim? In this case,
it was she was she she fell over, she was unconscious,
and then that's why she went overboard and went underwater
and drowned.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Unfortunately, why do you think it took so long to
recover her body if they knew exactly where she went
under Well, when you drowned, especially like I said, she
didn't have a flotation device on, so she drowned. You
sink to the water and they would have to go
they would have to go back, and I mean, I
don't know how deep the water they were in. They
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would have to get divers to go find her.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Typically in situations like that when a person goes overboard,
sometimes sometimes if they're not able to find the body immediately,
like they'll eventually find it. Because what happens is once
the decomposition process starts, when bacteria starts accumulating in the body,
they put off gases which causes the body to float
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up to the surface. But that takes a couple of
days for that to happen. And that's so that's one thing,
like it kind of will always come back up for
the most part while that bloating process is happening and
the body is filled with gas. But so that's not
what happened in this case, because she wouldn't have had
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enough time to sink and then float back up. So
what happened was they just were having for whatever reason.
I mean, you have to get teams to come out
there and do that and look. And I don't know
if it was what kind of a body of water
it was, how deep it was. There's just like all
different factors, what kind of debris is in the water underneath,
if it's a danger to the dry the divers or not,
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things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
It's just really sad. And then I saw that a
couple other people on the boat were also treated for
carbon monoxide poisoning too, So it's is it not fatal then?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But it can't.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's not always fatal, and unfortunately it's it's usually just
not like a zero to a hundred thing either. In
minutes it starts off with because it's just your body's
having less and less oxygen through it, right, So it
might first start off as feeling dizzy or having a headache.
But I think any parent that's on the boat with
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this kid, like your kid says I have a headache,
you might be like, all right, well when we get back,
I'll give you a tile at all, Like that's you know,
And a kid might not know like I feel like
an adult would be like, okay, something's wrong, Like I
just I feel like I'm going to pass out. I don't,
I feel dizzy. But a kid doesn't always convey what's
really happening, and you can't you can't really get the
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full story out of them, and it's not I think
most people just would think you're safe. It's the same
as having a gas grill, right, Like if you had
it on the inside of the he or any kind
of grill, a charcoal girl anything, if you have it
on the inside of the house, you would be like, Okay,
this is dangerous because it's an enclosed space, but also
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like a fire risk, I'm sure. But being outside you
would think, Okay, I'm fine breathing this in, and there's
a chance that you really could could not be fine
if you're sitting that close to it for a long
period of time and and just being on the water,
like for example, sometimes if I'm cooking outside on the grill,
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like I do feel a little like you can get
out of breath sometimes if it's really in your face
like that and you just walk away. But like when
you're on a boat, you're kind of just stuck there. Yeah,
so there's just lots of different things, and then you
have the wind and you have different kinds of motors
and different kinds of are you going fast, you're going slow.
There's all these different kinds of factors. So this is
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just like a unfortunate story that ended in a terrible way,
just as another precaution that you should have and definitely
just make sure you're wearing a life vest if you're
ever in a boat.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
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A news broke that owners of Baaladna Bakery and Patterson,
New Jersey had been stabbed in their bakery, but it
turns out that it was over giving a man the
wrong sandwich four years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I mean, like what why now? Why now?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And so apparently he ordered an egg like an egg
salad sandwich and they gave him an egg plant to
sandwich instead, and then he said that he got sick afterwards.
So the only thing I was thinking was that possibly
he had some kind of I don't know, like listeria
or something that you can get from like a sandwich
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in this situation, and it set off this chain of
events in the guy's life that like put him in
the hospital, and then he lost his job, and then
like his wife left, like this chain of events that
he in his mind has decided that they're responsible for.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Like they didn't say any of that.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
That's just what I'm I'm trying to justify it for
the guy because I just can't see why you would
be mad about that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, because I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I guess I guess we're saying why now, but whyever,
Like you should never you should never go somewhere. I
understand if you want to be mad at a business,
if you got sick from something, but you can't just
go there and stab the people that own the business.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, clearly there's more to the story.
There's something going on with this guy mentally, right.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So they said he went in there yelling.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
They said, they'll give you money back, credit, whatever you want,
just but please get out of here. Because I guess
I assume he was freaking out really bad. So then
he ended up the owners were also brothers, So he
ends up stabbing one of the brothers in the chest
and then slashed the other one in his arm. It
appears as of this article that the attacker is still
at large, which is concerning.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh really they didn't catch them.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, I don't think they got it's so yeah hopefully.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah. I just don't I don't understand what happens. I mean, Oh,
this is he's not all there.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
This is the one that said they both they saw
both victims being treated for lacerations made by a sharp instrument.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That that just is like a double negative in that
sentence right there. It just doesn't even make any sense.
You get a sharp incision, a wound from a stab,
there's a laceration. No, if they got like punched and
beat up with brass knuckles, okay, you would see lacerations, not.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
With a knife. Oh my god, everybody.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Maybe you should make a PSA.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What are you talking about? I talk about it all
the time and every lecture, and.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You talk about it in the podcast and the lecture.
I think you need to have a visual for people
because they just don't understay it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It doesn't even matter because when you read the autopsy
reports for the Brian Coberger, Idaho murders, when you read
the autopsy summary, at least the freakin' pathologist is using
the word laceration for knife wounds like It's just it
frustrates the shit out of me. It's especially unacceptable from
a pathologist.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It is, it's using it incorrect.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I know that you think I'm being nitpicky, but it's
important because, for example, with the Brian Coburger autopsy situation,
when I'm reading an autopsy report, the whole point of
the autopsy report is so the person that's reading it
could visualize what the pathologist was seeing when they did
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the autopsy.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, when you're saying someone.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Has a spleen and a liver laceration, I think that's
something that you see in a car accident from blunt trauma.
That's not from someone that got stabbed. So my mind
is thinking, well, why do they have lacerations? Did they
get beat up with someone something else? Did they get
beat up with a bat or something like that? And
then it's like, no, that's how they were describing the
knife wounds. It doesn't make any sense. It just drives
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me crazy. Okay, go on to the next story.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay, all right, So a twenty nine year old nurse
was arrested after treating nearly forty five hundred patients without
a license.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All right, So let's talk about this because obviously you're like,
how did the nurse? So we talked about yesterday's episode
that there was a guy who was a medical resident
that was pretending to say that he was doing like
research or something to get his number of quotas to
do ultrasounds or something. So and that was five people
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that he had contact with in some running group. Right,
how does a person pretend to be a nurse for
forty five hundred to five thousand people. Well you have
to say, well, they had to have a job and
have access to these.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
People, right, Yeah, So do you want me to go
through what happened exactly?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
So in July twenty twenty three, she was hired as
an Advanced Nurse technician working under an RN. Then, when
she applied for the position, she stated that she was
a quote education first registered nurse, meaning that she quote
passed the required schooling to become a registered nurse, but
had not passed the national exam to obtain her license.
So after that, she told the hospital she did pass
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her test, gave them a license number that matched her
first name, but it had a different last name, and
her excuse for that was that she recently.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Had been married.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
They asked her for proof of the marriage, and then
she never provided it, and they didn't realize that until
she applied for I guess she was offered a promotion
earlier this year, and then when they were looking back
through she they realized that she never gave the proof
of marriage.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Which they weren't looking back through.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Like another nurse there had said, let me look into
this girl's license. I don't know what made her do this,
but when the promotion was coming up, I mean, maybe
she was even being competitive for that particular promotion, but
that nurse had said, let me look into this, and
then she's the one that figured it out and brought
it to the attention of the hospital. So guess who's
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that fault here? In my opinion, the hospital exactly like
you hire someone as a nurse and they say that
they took their test and passed it and gave you
the number of someone totally different with a totally different
last name, and she says she's married and doesn't immediately
provide a marriage certificate. It's your fault that you kept
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her employed and exposed her to all those patients.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
She got away with it because of.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Their fault, so she was fired, and the investigation found
that she stole the license from somebody at a different
hospital and had attended school with her, but they did not.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Personally know each other.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So I assume they have to contact that person too
and be like, this woman's been stealing your identity.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
They can't just let that go. My question for you
is because when you went from scytology to the pathology department,
you were in school, so when you graduated, like, what
did you have to show them? That's good, That's actually
that's good because I was going to talk about this.
So I was, I was a board certified cytotech working
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at the hospital, and then I started going to PA
school at Drexel to become a PA. So I had
to show them my diploma from Drexel that said that
I graduated with.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
My masters as a pathologists Assistant. However, I didn't take
the test yet to become a certified PA. So I
had to take that test and then become a certified PA,
and then I had to show them the certification as well.
So when I graduated, I got my diploma and stuff,
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and then I took my test, like right, afterwards. So
when I officially became a PA, I had to show
them my diploma and I had to show them that
I took the board exam and that I passed the
board exam. I didn't get my diploma certificate or the
board exam certificate passing for months after I actually did.
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But I had to show paperwork that I took, like
a computer screenshot basically that I took it and I
passed it, and here's my official numbers. I'm just waiting
for the certificates to come in the mail kind of
a thing.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And they made me do.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That, Like I remember, actually I had to take my
diploma because I had all my stuff hanging up in
my office at the hospital, like my you know, like
my diploma and everything like that, And there was a
point that I had to take them out of the
picture frame and photocopy them to give them to my
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bosses to prove that I had all of this stuff
and everything, like your certification with a number. Like sure,
you could fudge anything and make anything fake, but the
people that are working at the hospital should be not
maybe taking a photocopy of something as word, and they
should be investigating to see that it's legit. And I
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don't know if they do that, but they should do
that because anybody could just fudge something.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well yeah, because when you did it, that was fifteen
years ago, so computers were a little different. I mean,
Photoshop and AI and everything is so good today you
could just fake anything.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I mean, And there's a point like I'm I'm
a certified PA, and I have a number associated with
that membership and that certification. There's a reason that that
number exists, so you could be checked on to see
if you're legit.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like why I.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Think really it's it's because like let's say, especially for PA,
and I don't know how nursing is because obviously I'm
not a nurse, but like for PA, I have to
take every three years, I have to recertify, and if
I don't recertify, which is doing continuing education and stuff,
then I can't be a PA anymore. Right, So I
initially passed my PA test in two thousand and nine.
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If I never recertified, like I could sit there and
say I'm a certified PA, but like I haven't, but
like I'm not. Like if I don't recertify, I'm not
a PA anymore. I have to take the test again.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Don't you think it was more work for her to
obtain a fake license than to just take the test
and try to pass.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I don't well, I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I mean, I guess they're saying that, they're saying that
she finished nursing school but didn't take the test yet,
but I think that when they looked back, it was like, no,
she never did that. She was just a nursing assistant.
So no, I mean nursing school. Nursing school is hard,
and she just didn't want to go through it. I'm
just curious what made her coworker start looking into it.
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And also it's kind of I mean, what was she
good or did she suck? And it's it's kind of
crazy to think that a person that was only a
nursing assistant was able to pull off being an RN
and know everything to do without having any major screw
ups that we know of at this point.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, maybe she sucked and that's why the coworker was like,
what the if she's getting this promotion and she's not
even good.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, I am curious about that, so maybe we'll hear
more about that.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So she was arrested for seven counts of practicing as
a healthcare professional without a license and seven counts of
fraudulent loose use of personal identification. She's being held on
a seventy thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, get she gets more of a bond than the
lady we were talking about in the Gross Room Live
episode that provided her child with ammunition to do a
school shooting and pointed a gun in her baby's face.
Like it's really like she wasn't her bond forty five
thousand dollars?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I think so. I mean everybody should go listen
to that, because we really broke it down. Because Shakra
that he was in the news again, and I'm sure
she will be for the foreseeable future. All Right, let's
wrap up with this story about this man who was
shaving and noticed a large lump in his throat which
was about the size of an egg. He said he
also felt tired and was going to the bathroom frequently,
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but just attributed those things to being tired from going
to the gym and getting older. After about two weeks, however,
the lump didn't go away, so we went to the
doctor and was shocked at what they told him.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, So this article is a titled Dad Shocked to
discover oral sex causes his throat cancer. So this we
did a really good celebrity death dissection on this very
topic with Val Kilmore because as you remember, he died
from throat cancer to and his throat cancer started. So
(25:47):
the throat has like a lot of different anatomy going
on there. There is the base of the tongue, which
is where Val Kilmore's was, but you also have the
tonsils and other organs that are susceptible to change it
from the HPV virus. So you know, most commonly with women,
we think about HPV is like a PAPS mirror and
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stuff like that, and cervical cancer is the big one
that we always talk about, but you could also get
throw cancer. Both males and females can get throw cancer
from the same HPV virus and you get the virus
the same way, which is sexually transmitted.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So when we think of.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
HPV, it's a virus human papalonavirus.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It causes warts.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, the strain of the virus that causes us to
have warts is not the one that is the concern.
It's the strain that is the high risk ones. So
HPV just kind of sucks in general because I mean,
most people that get the infection, no matter where it
is on their body, their immune system kind of takes
care of it and that's the end of it and
you don't really get any kind of problems with it.
(26:52):
But for the ones that do get problems with it,
it's either you have a low risk strain and you
get like disfigurine warts, or you have a high restrains
and you could get pre cancer cells that eventually turn
into cancer. So what happens is you get exposure to
the virus and if it is that high risk strain,
it causes atypical changes in the cells that over time
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can turn into cancer. And fortunately for females with PAP
smerrors and testing and now we could do DNA testing
for paps, we could really eliminate cases that get to
full blown cancer because you could see changes in the
cells early on, or you could tell if a woman
is at high risk for one of the higher restraints
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that are likely to turn into pre cancers and then
cancerous changes. But for the throat there's no screening right now,
so it's like you kind of have to wait till
the cancer pops up to treat it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And we hear this.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Commonly that especially in men, like they're shaving and then
all of a sudden they feel like the lump in
their throat and they go and they have like tonsile
cancer that's caused by HPV virus or valcolm or had
base of tongue cancers something like in that general area.
So the good news is is that when you have
an HPV positive cancer in the throat, they respond well
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to treatment and it usually won't kill a person. But
having throat cancer is not fun, especially if you have
to get radiation and stuff, because it could just really
affect the way that you taste things for the rest
of your life. And I mean that could be just
terrible in itself. It could cause weight loss and just pain, numbness,
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and there's other complications that you could get with that
kind of a treatment. I just thought this article was
written very interesting, just saying like this dad was frisky
in his twenties and having all this oral sex, and well.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I feel like the way it was written was that
he was being frisky as of late, but they were
saying that the biopsy suggested he could have contracted it
up to forty years before the diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean that's what that's what happens. And now
we're coming you know, first it was like when you
were thinking about all these head and neck cancers like that,
it was always, at least when I was in school
years ago, twenty five years ago, it was always just like, Okay,
this is like an alcohol tobacco thing. And now it's like,
we're finding that more of those cancers from the throat
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are actually caused by HPV virus. They're saying up to
seventy percent of these cancers are caused by HPV virus,
not from from having from smoking or drinking alcohol.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's super interesting. I feel like they're always drilling into
girls the possibility that they could have issues with this,
but not really telling guys as well.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well, No, they do now though, because they offer the
HPV vaccine to boys as well, because they.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, and there's and obviously there's like a bunch of
controversy with those things too. But they definitely they do
screening and men too, Like gay men can get anal
screening because you kids, it also could cause anal cancer too,
so it but I mean like we most commonly hear it.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
With with the paps mirror.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, all right, guys, don't forget to check out crime
Kind because we will be there. And gosh, I feel
like we're leaving in like only three weeks.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Like I have to figure out what I'm wearing. It's
like that's the part that's stressing me out. It was like, first,
get on the lecture, Okay, that's done. Now what am
I wearing?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I really got to figure out what I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I just realized it was three weeks away, and I'm like, God,
that's gonna come up really quick.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
We're in like the order window if we're gonna hit
anything online.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
No, totally, all right, Well, I guess when we're wrapping
up this, I know what I'm doing this afternoon. But yeah,
don't forget to check out Crime Kind.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It's gonna be awesome. And I don't know if everybody saw,
but iced Tea is coming. That's gonna be so. You
know what's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So Cheryl's podcast Zone seven. We were on Zone seven
and Cheryl's been on our podcast a couple of times.
She got nominated for an award. So we're going to
this like an award dinner, the Clue Award, the Clure
the Clue Awards. And then I said to her like, oh,
I can't wait to be in the audience to be
cheering for you when you win. And then she's like, oh, honey, me,
(31:01):
you and Iced Tea in a room is going to
be I don't know what she said, just in her way.
I was just like she I love her, and I
hope we get to meet iced Tea because he's so cool.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, that that is gonna nice, so like to bump
into Coco in the in the.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Hallway or something.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Ricky's so mad now that he's not going because he's.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Like, that's on my birthday.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
And I could have bet iced Tea like sorry, dude,
can't can't always live de luxe life with all these
crime celebs. All right, Well, if you have a review
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You know what I was actually just thinking, But it's
it's good that Mariska Hargoty isn't going to be there
because I'm talking about her in my celebrity death lecture.
Oh that probably probably, yeah, probably would be frowned upon.
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Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about another dumb TikTok challenge, an unusual
(00:28):
cause of death in a young girl who fell off
of a boat and died, the most random reason to
stab someone, another person pretending to be a healthcare professional,
and a dad who has oral sex.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All that and more on Toddy's.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Episode, Let's talk about this stupid ass TikTok challenge.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
All right, So this trend started after this resurface photo
of Nicki Minaj from a twenty thirteen music video came out.
So basically what the trend is is you wear high
heels and you squat and then you put one leg
over the other and you see how long you can balance.
So everybody's doing crazy stuff. I saw one where this
woman was on her stiletto high heels, standing on two
(01:11):
bottles of like botox, like the vials, balancing on those,
and then people are trying to you know, be on books,
on their countertops whatever. I guess the challenge is to
see the smallest object you could basically balance on. So
this Russian influencer was seemingly trying to balance on a
(01:31):
container of it looked like baby formula right and on
top of.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Her because she's and she's two months postpartum by the way.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
She just gave birth to a baby eight weeks before this,
so she's trying to balance on top of this baby formula.
She falls off of her countertop and ends up breaking
her spine.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
This is like the dumbest shit. I've been seeing these
photos all over and I'm just like, do you have
a life, Like, seriously, no.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It's it's really lame. It's just really lame.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And think about like when you have a you have
a baby, you have a two month old baby in
your life after having a baby, and like you're concerned
about making a video putting on a para stilettos and
balancing on a baby formula a container like it's it's
kind of loser vibes. You know.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
What's concerning for me is that most of the videos
I've seen are at doctor's offices with the staff doing them.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, you're saying someone balanced on botox files, like that's
clearly a photoshopped image, Like you wouldn't be able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
That like, how would you do that on two vials? Like,
that's not even possible.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
No, I know. So a lot of people are doing
green screen versions of it, and they're just generating so,
I mean, they're all the videos I've seen are generating
so much engagement, so I guess everybody doing it is
getting a big plus from it.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So, so now this mother of a of a two
month old baby has a compression fracture of the vertebral
body or her backbone, and now has to be in
excruciating pain and heal from this while she's trying to
take care of a newborn child. It's just like, and
you look at it. When you watch the video of
(03:15):
her doing it, You're like, oh, she fell surprised.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Shocker.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Well, I've seen a bunch of like outtake videos too
of people falling, and I'm just like, of course, you
fel like, look at what you're balancing on. It's not
even possible.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
The Internet it just makes people so dumb.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It really does. I mean, I don't see this trend
ending soon because I keep seeing new videos every single
day of people just taking it to the next extreme,
or like you're saying, people using green screens to make
it look like they're balancing on something really smart.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I actually have more respect for the people that are
using the green screen than people that are actually.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Trying to do it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It just seems it just seems so ridiculous and such
a waste of everyone's time. All right, let's talk about
this is a this is a good story to learn from, actually,
and this is a real sad story. It is so
this eleven year old was on a boat with her
family and then suddenly she fell off. They didn't find
her body for a couple of hours, and then it
turns out that she had carbon monoxide poisoning, which made
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her become unconscious and seemingly fall over the edge, and
then she.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Ended up drowning.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, so this is a really unusual cause of death. Obviously,
an eleven year old is pretty healthy, and I guess
we could be asking the question as to why she
wasn't wearing a life vest, right. I know that Corney
Kardashian had posted a photo this week being in a
boat with her child, And this is something that celebrities
(04:43):
just never ever learn. They always are posting their pictures
in their rich person boat right, traveling the world in
the ocean, and they have little kids in there without
life jackets on, and everyone in the comment section never
fails like rips them a new one and is just like,
why doesn't your kid have a life fest on inside
(05:04):
of a boat?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Right? So this kid was eleven years.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Old and should have had a life fest on, which
would have saved her life, because even if she ended
up having the carbon monoxide and became unconscious and went
into the water, if her head wasn't summersed underwater, she
wouldn't have drowned and she might still be able to
be alive today. So that's an important lesson number one.
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Number two, I think a lot of people assume that
you're not at risk for carbon monoxide poisoning if you're
out in the open like that, and that simply isn't true.
It's just more likely to happen in an enclosed space.
So it's the same you hear all the time people
either accidentally die or dying by suicide by being in
a garage with the car on. Right, Because the carbon
(05:50):
monoxide accumulates in a confined space. Well, if you're on
a boat, that's especially one that's going slower and the
motor is emitting carbon oxide and you're sitting close to
it long enough, all of the air that you're breathing
in is not filled with oxygen. It's filled with carbon monoxide.
So what happens is normally you should have about like
(06:15):
twenty one percent of oxygen in the air that you're
breathing in, and then the less and less of that
that's present could cause you to die from a chemical
asphyxia it's called, and that's when something else is getting
breathed in besides oxygen. So when you breathe in oxygen,
your blood takes that oxygen to your organs and that's
(06:36):
how you stay alive. But when you breathe in carbon monoxide,
it holds on to the oxygen on the red blood
cells and it doesn't release it to the organs. So
it's really interesting actually at autopsy because when that oxygen
gets released off of the cells when you die, you
(06:56):
get live remortis, which is when the blood in your
boxy and your blood vessel starts pulling to dependent areas.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Of your body.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And in a normal, a normal death that's not carbon
monoxide that will give a purple appearance, and that's because
the red blood cells aren't holding onto the oxygen anymore.
But in a carbon monoxide death, when those red blood
cells are holding onto the oxygen, it gives the appearance
of the live remortis isn't purple. It's like a bright red.
It's called cherry red lividity. And you could also see
(07:27):
this in the organs too, they're bright red. And even
the blood has been described as like a kool aid
color like it gives it this bright red appearance. So
right off the bat, doing an autopsy on someone that
has carbon monoxide, you would see these gross findings that
would make you suspicious for it, and then you could
also test it in the blood as well to confirm it.
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So they determine that she had this carbon monoxide poisoning.
She fell over into the water unconscious and then she
drowned as a result of that. And we talked about
that with Malcolm Jamal Warner in the past, that drowning
is not always a true diagnosis. But you always say, okay, well,
(08:10):
why why did someone drown? Why were they incapacitated? Was
it something as simple as they couldn't swim? In this case,
it was she was she she fell over, she was unconscious,
and then that's why she went overboard and went underwater
and drowned.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Unfortunately, why do you think it took so long to
recover her body if they knew exactly where she went
under Well, when you drowned, especially like I said, she
didn't have a flotation device on, so she drowned. You
sink to the water and they would have to go
they would have to go back, and I mean, I
don't know how deep the water they were in. They
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would have to get divers to go find her.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Typically in situations like that when a person goes overboard,
sometimes sometimes if they're not able to find the body immediately,
like they'll eventually find it. Because what happens is once
the decomposition process starts, when bacteria starts accumulating in the body,
they put off gases which causes the body to float
(09:09):
up to the surface. But that takes a couple of
days for that to happen. And that's so that's one thing,
like it kind of will always come back up for
the most part while that bloating process is happening and
the body is filled with gas. But so that's not
what happened in this case, because she wouldn't have had
(09:30):
enough time to sink and then float back up. So
what happened was they just were having for whatever reason.
I mean, you have to get teams to come out
there and do that and look. And I don't know
if it was what kind of a body of water
it was, how deep it was. There's just like all
different factors, what kind of debris is in the water underneath,
if it's a danger to the dry the divers or not,
(09:50):
things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
It's just really sad. And then I saw that a
couple other people on the boat were also treated for
carbon monoxide poisoning too, So it's is it not fatal then?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But it can't.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It's not always fatal, and unfortunately it's it's usually just
not like a zero to a hundred thing either. In
minutes it starts off with because it's just your body's
having less and less oxygen through it, right, So it
might first start off as feeling dizzy or having a headache.
But I think any parent that's on the boat with
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this kid, like your kid says I have a headache,
you might be like, all right, well when we get back,
I'll give you a tile at all, Like that's you know,
And a kid might not know like I feel like
an adult would be like, okay, something's wrong, Like I
just I feel like I'm going to pass out. I don't,
I feel dizzy. But a kid doesn't always convey what's
really happening, and you can't you can't really get the
(10:47):
full story out of them, and it's not I think
most people just would think you're safe. It's the same
as having a gas grill, right, Like if you had
it on the inside of the he or any kind
of grill, a charcoal girl anything, if you have it
on the inside of the house, you would be like, Okay,
this is dangerous because it's an enclosed space, but also
(11:10):
like a fire risk, I'm sure. But being outside you
would think, Okay, I'm fine breathing this in, and there's
a chance that you really could could not be fine
if you're sitting that close to it for a long
period of time and and just being on the water,
like for example, sometimes if I'm cooking outside on the grill,
(11:31):
like I do feel a little like you can get
out of breath sometimes if it's really in your face
like that and you just walk away. But like when
you're on a boat, you're kind of just stuck there. Yeah,
so there's just lots of different things, and then you
have the wind and you have different kinds of motors
and different kinds of are you going fast, you're going slow.
There's all these different kinds of factors. So this is
(11:52):
just like a unfortunate story that ended in a terrible way,
just as another precaution that you should have and definitely
just make sure you're wearing a life vest if you're
ever in a boat.
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A news broke that owners of Baaladna Bakery and Patterson,
New Jersey had been stabbed in their bakery, but it
turns out that it was over giving a man the
wrong sandwich four years ago.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, I mean, like what why now? Why now?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And so apparently he ordered an egg like an egg
salad sandwich and they gave him an egg plant to
sandwich instead, and then he said that he got sick afterwards.
So the only thing I was thinking was that possibly
he had some kind of I don't know, like listeria
or something that you can get from like a sandwich
(14:01):
in this situation, and it set off this chain of
events in the guy's life that like put him in
the hospital, and then he lost his job, and then
like his wife left, like this chain of events that
he in his mind has decided that they're responsible for.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Like they didn't say any of that.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
That's just what I'm I'm trying to justify it for
the guy because I just can't see why you would
be mad about that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, because I mean.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I guess I guess we're saying why now, but whyever,
Like you should never you should never go somewhere. I
understand if you want to be mad at a business,
if you got sick from something, but you can't just
go there and stab the people that own the business.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, clearly there's more to the story.
There's something going on with this guy mentally, right.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So they said he went in there yelling.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
They said, they'll give you money back, credit, whatever you want,
just but please get out of here. Because I guess
I assume he was freaking out really bad. So then
he ended up the owners were also brothers, So he
ends up stabbing one of the brothers in the chest
and then slashed the other one in his arm. It
appears as of this article that the attacker is still
at large, which is concerning.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh really they didn't catch them.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, I don't think they got it's so yeah hopefully.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah. I just don't I don't understand what happens. I mean, Oh,
this is he's not all there.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
This is the one that said they both they saw
both victims being treated for lacerations made by a sharp instrument.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
That that just is like a double negative in that
sentence right there. It just doesn't even make any sense.
You get a sharp incision, a wound from a stab,
there's a laceration. No, if they got like punched and
beat up with brass knuckles, okay, you would see lacerations, not.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
With a knife. Oh my god, everybody.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Maybe you should make a PSA.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
What are you talking about? I talk about it all
the time and every lecture, and.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You talk about it in the podcast and the lecture.
I think you need to have a visual for people
because they just don't understay it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It doesn't even matter because when you read the autopsy
reports for the Brian Coberger, Idaho murders, when you read
the autopsy summary, at least the freakin' pathologist is using
the word laceration for knife wounds like It's just it
frustrates the shit out of me. It's especially unacceptable from
a pathologist.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It is, it's using it incorrect.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I know that you think I'm being nitpicky, but it's
important because, for example, with the Brian Coburger autopsy situation,
when I'm reading an autopsy report, the whole point of
the autopsy report is so the person that's reading it
could visualize what the pathologist was seeing when they did
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the autopsy.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Well, when you're saying someone.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Has a spleen and a liver laceration, I think that's
something that you see in a car accident from blunt trauma.
That's not from someone that got stabbed. So my mind
is thinking, well, why do they have lacerations? Did they
get beat up with someone something else? Did they get
beat up with a bat or something like that? And
then it's like, no, that's how they were describing the
knife wounds. It doesn't make any sense. It just drives
(17:11):
me crazy. Okay, go on to the next story.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Okay, all right, So a twenty nine year old nurse
was arrested after treating nearly forty five hundred patients without
a license.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
All right, So let's talk about this because obviously you're like,
how did the nurse? So we talked about yesterday's episode
that there was a guy who was a medical resident
that was pretending to say that he was doing like
research or something to get his number of quotas to
do ultrasounds or something. So and that was five people
(17:45):
that he had contact with in some running group. Right,
how does a person pretend to be a nurse for
forty five hundred to five thousand people. Well you have
to say, well, they had to have a job and
have access to these.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
People, right, Yeah, So do you want me to go
through what happened exactly?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah? Sure.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
So in July twenty twenty three, she was hired as
an Advanced Nurse technician working under an RN. Then, when
she applied for the position, she stated that she was
a quote education first registered nurse, meaning that she quote
passed the required schooling to become a registered nurse, but
had not passed the national exam to obtain her license.
So after that, she told the hospital she did pass
(18:24):
her test, gave them a license number that matched her
first name, but it had a different last name, and
her excuse for that was that she recently.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Had been married.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
They asked her for proof of the marriage, and then
she never provided it, and they didn't realize that until
she applied for I guess she was offered a promotion
earlier this year, and then when they were looking back
through she they realized that she never gave the proof
of marriage.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Which they weren't looking back through.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Like another nurse there had said, let me look into
this girl's license. I don't know what made her do this,
but when the promotion was coming up, I mean, maybe
she was even being competitive for that particular promotion, but
that nurse had said, let me look into this, and
then she's the one that figured it out and brought
it to the attention of the hospital. So guess who's
(19:08):
that fault here? In my opinion, the hospital exactly like
you hire someone as a nurse and they say that
they took their test and passed it and gave you
the number of someone totally different with a totally different
last name, and she says she's married and doesn't immediately
provide a marriage certificate. It's your fault that you kept
(19:30):
her employed and exposed her to all those patients.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
She got away with it because of.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Their fault, so she was fired, and the investigation found
that she stole the license from somebody at a different
hospital and had attended school with her, but they did not.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Personally know each other.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
So I assume they have to contact that person too
and be like, this woman's been stealing your identity.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
They can't just let that go. My question for you
is because when you went from scytology to the pathology department,
you were in school, so when you graduated, like, what
did you have to show them? That's good, That's actually
that's good because I was going to talk about this.
So I was, I was a board certified cytotech working
(20:16):
at the hospital, and then I started going to PA
school at Drexel to become a PA. So I had
to show them my diploma from Drexel that said that
I graduated with.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
My masters as a pathologists Assistant. However, I didn't take
the test yet to become a certified PA. So I
had to take that test and then become a certified PA,
and then I had to show them the certification as well.
So when I graduated, I got my diploma and stuff,
(20:53):
and then I took my test, like right, afterwards. So
when I officially became a PA, I had to show
them my diploma and I had to show them that
I took the board exam and that I passed the
board exam. I didn't get my diploma certificate or the
board exam certificate passing for months after I actually did.
(21:15):
But I had to show paperwork that I took, like
a computer screenshot basically that I took it and I
passed it, and here's my official numbers. I'm just waiting
for the certificates to come in the mail kind of
a thing.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And they made me do.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
That, Like I remember, actually I had to take my
diploma because I had all my stuff hanging up in
my office at the hospital, like my you know, like
my diploma and everything like that, And there was a
point that I had to take them out of the
picture frame and photocopy them to give them to my
(21:53):
bosses to prove that I had all of this stuff
and everything, like your certification with a number. Like sure,
you could fudge anything and make anything fake, but the
people that are working at the hospital should be not
maybe taking a photocopy of something as word, and they
should be investigating to see that it's legit. And I
(22:16):
don't know if they do that, but they should do
that because anybody could just fudge something.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well yeah, because when you did it, that was fifteen
years ago, so computers were a little different. I mean,
Photoshop and AI and everything is so good today you
could just fake anything.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I mean, And there's a point like I'm I'm
a certified PA, and I have a number associated with
that membership and that certification. There's a reason that that
number exists, so you could be checked on to see
if you're legit.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like why I.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Think really it's it's because like let's say, especially for PA,
and I don't know how nursing is because obviously I'm
not a nurse, but like for PA, I have to
take every three years, I have to recertify, and if
I don't recertify, which is doing continuing education and stuff,
then I can't be a PA anymore. Right, So I
initially passed my PA test in two thousand and nine.
(23:10):
If I never recertified, like I could sit there and
say I'm a certified PA, but like I haven't, but
like I'm not. Like if I don't recertify, I'm not
a PA anymore. I have to take the test again.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Don't you think it was more work for her to
obtain a fake license than to just take the test
and try to pass.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I don't well, I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I mean, I guess they're saying that, they're saying that
she finished nursing school but didn't take the test yet,
but I think that when they looked back, it was like, no,
she never did that. She was just a nursing assistant.
So no, I mean nursing school. Nursing school is hard,
and she just didn't want to go through it. I'm
just curious what made her coworker start looking into it.
(23:54):
And also it's kind of I mean, what was she
good or did she suck? And it's it's kind of
crazy to think that a person that was only a
nursing assistant was able to pull off being an RN
and know everything to do without having any major screw
ups that we know of at this point.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, maybe she sucked and that's why the coworker was like,
what the if she's getting this promotion and she's not
even good.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, I am curious about that, so maybe we'll hear
more about that.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So she was arrested for seven counts of practicing as
a healthcare professional without a license and seven counts of
fraudulent loose use of personal identification. She's being held on
a seventy thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, get she gets more of a bond than the
lady we were talking about in the Gross Room Live
episode that provided her child with ammunition to do a
school shooting and pointed a gun in her baby's face.
Like it's really like she wasn't her bond forty five
thousand dollars?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I think so. I mean everybody should go listen
to that, because we really broke it down. Because Shakra
that he was in the news again, and I'm sure
she will be for the foreseeable future. All Right, let's
wrap up with this story about this man who was
shaving and noticed a large lump in his throat which
was about the size of an egg. He said he
also felt tired and was going to the bathroom frequently,
(25:17):
but just attributed those things to being tired from going
to the gym and getting older. After about two weeks, however,
the lump didn't go away, so we went to the
doctor and was shocked at what they told him.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, So this article is a titled Dad Shocked to
discover oral sex causes his throat cancer. So this we
did a really good celebrity death dissection on this very
topic with Val Kilmore because as you remember, he died
from throat cancer to and his throat cancer started. So
(25:47):
the throat has like a lot of different anatomy going
on there. There is the base of the tongue, which
is where Val Kilmore's was, but you also have the
tonsils and other organs that are susceptible to change it
from the HPV virus. So you know, most commonly with women,
we think about HPV is like a PAPS mirror and
(26:08):
stuff like that, and cervical cancer is the big one
that we always talk about, but you could also get
throw cancer. Both males and females can get throw cancer
from the same HPV virus and you get the virus
the same way, which is sexually transmitted.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
So when we think of.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
HPV, it's a virus human papalonavirus.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It causes warts.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Right, the strain of the virus that causes us to
have warts is not the one that is the concern.
It's the strain that is the high risk ones. So
HPV just kind of sucks in general because I mean,
most people that get the infection, no matter where it
is on their body, their immune system kind of takes
care of it and that's the end of it and
you don't really get any kind of problems with it.
(26:52):
But for the ones that do get problems with it,
it's either you have a low risk strain and you
get like disfigurine warts, or you have a high restrains
and you could get pre cancer cells that eventually turn
into cancer. So what happens is you get exposure to
the virus and if it is that high risk strain,
it causes atypical changes in the cells that over time
(27:13):
can turn into cancer. And fortunately for females with PAP
smerrors and testing and now we could do DNA testing
for paps, we could really eliminate cases that get to
full blown cancer because you could see changes in the
cells early on, or you could tell if a woman
is at high risk for one of the higher restraints
(27:36):
that are likely to turn into pre cancers and then
cancerous changes. But for the throat there's no screening right now,
so it's like you kind of have to wait till
the cancer pops up to treat it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
And we hear this.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Commonly that especially in men, like they're shaving and then
all of a sudden they feel like the lump in
their throat and they go and they have like tonsile
cancer that's caused by HPV virus or valcolm or had
base of tongue cancers something like in that general area.
So the good news is is that when you have
an HPV positive cancer in the throat, they respond well
(28:10):
to treatment and it usually won't kill a person. But
having throat cancer is not fun, especially if you have
to get radiation and stuff, because it could just really
affect the way that you taste things for the rest
of your life. And I mean that could be just
terrible in itself. It could cause weight loss and just pain, numbness,
(28:32):
and there's other complications that you could get with that
kind of a treatment. I just thought this article was
written very interesting, just saying like this dad was frisky
in his twenties and having all this oral sex, and well.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I feel like the way it was written was that
he was being frisky as of late, but they were
saying that the biopsy suggested he could have contracted it
up to forty years before the diagnosed.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, I mean that's what that's what happens. And now
we're coming you know, first it was like when you
were thinking about all these head and neck cancers like that,
it was always, at least when I was in school
years ago, twenty five years ago, it was always just like, Okay,
this is like an alcohol tobacco thing. And now it's like,
we're finding that more of those cancers from the throat
(29:17):
are actually caused by HPV virus. They're saying up to
seventy percent of these cancers are caused by HPV virus,
not from from having from smoking or drinking alcohol.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's super interesting. I feel like they're always drilling into
girls the possibility that they could have issues with this,
but not really telling guys as well.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well, No, they do now though, because they offer the
HPV vaccine to boys as well, because they.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, and there's and obviously there's like a bunch of
controversy with those things too. But they definitely they do
screening and men too, Like gay men can get anal
screening because you kids, it also could cause anal cancer too,
so it but I mean like we most commonly hear it.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
With with the paps mirror.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, all right, guys, don't forget to check out crime
Kind because we will be there. And gosh, I feel
like we're leaving in like only three weeks.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Like I have to figure out what I'm wearing. It's
like that's the part that's stressing me out. It was like, first,
get on the lecture, Okay, that's done. Now what am
I wearing?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I really got to figure out what I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I just realized it was three weeks away, and I'm like, God,
that's gonna come up really quick.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
We're in like the order window if we're gonna hit
anything online.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
No, totally, all right, Well, I guess when we're wrapping
up this, I know what I'm doing this afternoon. But yeah,
don't forget to check out Crime Kind.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
It's gonna be awesome. And I don't know if everybody saw,
but iced Tea is coming. That's gonna be so. You
know what's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
So Cheryl's podcast Zone seven. We were on Zone seven
and Cheryl's been on our podcast a couple of times.
She got nominated for an award. So we're going to
this like an award dinner, the Clue Award, the Clure
the Clue Awards. And then I said to her like, oh,
I can't wait to be in the audience to be
cheering for you when you win. And then she's like, oh, honey, me,
(31:01):
you and Iced Tea in a room is going to
be I don't know what she said, just in her way.
I was just like she I love her, and I
hope we get to meet iced Tea because he's so cool.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, that that is gonna nice, so like to bump
into Coco in the in the.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Hallway or something.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Ricky's so mad now that he's not going because he's.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Like, that's on my birthday.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
And I could have bet iced Tea like sorry, dude,
can't can't always live de luxe life with all these
crime celebs. All right, Well, if you have a review
for us, please leave it on Appler, Spotify and subscribe
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Speaker 1 (31:40):
You know what I was actually just thinking, But it's
it's good that Mariska Hargoty isn't going to be there
because I'm talking about her in my celebrity death lecture.
Oh that probably probably, yeah, probably would be frowned upon.
All right, we'll see you next episode. Thank you for
listening to My Death. As a reminder, my training is
(32:03):
as a pathologist's assistant. I have a master's level education
and specialize in anatomy and pathology education. I am not
a doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone
dead or alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor.
This show, my website, and social media accounts are designed
(32:24):
to educate and inform people based on my experience working
in pathology, so they can make healthier decisions regarding their
life and well being. Always remember that science is changing
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(32:46):
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