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We get into Alec Baldwin's PTSD, a bird carrying a severed hand, an accidental grilled cheese stabbing, a Pennsylvania hospital shooting, a pen cap stuck in a man's lung, and pollution issues with scented wax.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we'll
be discussing some of this week's news stories with our
friend Clodagh Meni. Clodagh is an assistant producer, reporter and
an occasional host of Ireland's leading true crime podcast, Crime World.
There is a very interesting case coming out of Ireland
today involving a human hand falling from the sky, and
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hopefully Clauda will be able to shed some light on
that for us. We'll also discuss Alec Baldwin and his
claim that he suffers from PTSD, a hostage situation in
shooting at a Pennsylvania hospital, and the dangers of heated
fragrances like wax melts and more. Hi Clodagh, We're so
happy to have you here today.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hi guys, I'm so happy to be here. I finally
get to actually speak back to you when I'm listening
to the podcast. Every time I'm listening like, oh my god,
I should say this, or I should say I'd say
this if that was me on the podcast. Oh I
know about that. So I're happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I love when you send me new stories and we're
just talking about how ridiculous some of this stuff is
because it just some world we live in anymore. It's
like nothing surprises me anymore, especially the story. We're gonna
get to it a little bit about the hand and
the bird.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, I was really happy to see that was on
the list for today because I was some interesting backstory.
I'm not free as well.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh, we can't wait, we can't wait. Okay, let's get
started with the celebrity news, because Maria can't wait for
this one.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So Alec Baldwin's new show premiered Aunt TILC on Sunday night,
which we all know. I've talked a lot about him
on here, and I I don't know. I was going
back and forth whether I was gonna watch it or not,
but I feel like in the best interest of our audience,
of course I should watch the show.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And when this is like totally up your alley, it's
such trash, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Really not liking TLC nowadays. They're really going downhill. But
I saw the trailer that they were talking about the
rush shooting, which we've covered significant for significant amount of
time on here, and I went to a crime con
lecture about it, so I am interested in it. But
this first episode comes out, and you know, they're like
introducing their whole family and everything, and of course Hillary's involved,
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and they touch on her accent situation. And for those
of you that don't know Alec Baldwin's wife, is this
like totally normal white woman from Boston that just was
role playing as a Spanish person for years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I forgot about.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Thome Fen when she couldn't say cucumber on like the
Today Show or whatever she was on.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, she was cutting a cue cumber. For those of
you that don't know this, I'm sure that there can't
possibly be anyone that hasn't heard this story. But she
was preparing food on the Today Show and she said,
and I'm gonna grab this. It's how you say a cucumber.
And she her her primary English or her primary language
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is English, so there's no reason that she can't recall
the word cucumber and has this weird accent that she created.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's just so weird because her excuse for all of
this now is that she grew up bilingual, and so
it's totally normal to be going in and.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Out of accents.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But I think most bilingual people are arguing that that
does not happen like you would.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I feel like you would go more, you dip more
into the English instead of primarily speaking Spanish and then
vice versa.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
It's it's pretty well, well.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Her mom, it's not like her mother is Spanish and
that was going on in the house because you could
understand that it's she just she just learned it right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, my biggest thing is her name is Hillary, Like
that's what she was born as. So how did she
shift into the Spanish version.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Of her name?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well, you know what, talk about this story because I
think that this actually ties into a lot of this.
So with Russ, Yeah, like why are they in the
news this week besides the show? Well, they're on the show,
but they're talking about on the show that it's been
a rough year because the show starts filming right before
the summer of last year when he was about to
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go on trial, and she's saying that he was that
Alec Baldwin was diagnosed with PTSD from the shooting.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And I don't know, like you, what are your what
are both of your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I don't know I think it's like, if that was
me in his situation, and he genuinely it was an
accident or whatever, he probably would have PTSD after that.
But I don't know, what do you think? Do you
think it was an accident? It was not accident. It
hasn't really been a massive news story here in Ireland.
We've kind of dipped in and out of it when
sort of the big things were happening. I did somehow
randomly see the trailer for that on the television the
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other day. I can't remember what I was watching or
why it was on, but I remember seeing that going, oh, yeah,
I forgot that happened. But I've never really formed an
opinion about whether or not I think he did it
maliciously or not.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I don't. I don't think he did. I think it
was just negligence right on their part. I don't. I
definitely don't think that he did, and I think he
has PTSD. But I also think that he's a narcissist
big time. Why would you be starting a reality TV
show right before you're going on trial for something so
(05:21):
serious if you're really distraught about it, right, yeah's real weird.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think my biggest thing was I definitely, I definitely
was leaning hard into he did it not intentionally, but
he had a lot more responsibility behind the scenes that
a lot of people didn't want to recognize.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And then when I.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Went to the lecture at crime con Core TV had
put on, they had a gun expert go through the
shooting and how it could have happened accidentally. And I
understood that from a firearms perspective and having them having
interviewed other firearms experts, that the shooting itself could have
been accidental. But I guess my biggest problem in all
of it was that he's.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
A produce sir.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
He has some responsibility behind the scenes. He was made
aware of unsafe conditions and didn't really do anything to
prevent it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think in some regard he needs to be held
responsible for that, But I don't think he purposely went
to work that day and was like, I'm going to
kill this lady.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Hopefully No, No, I really hope not so.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
PTSD, let's talk about that a little bit. I talk
with my husband about this from time to time, obviously,
because first responders firefighters deal with a fair amount of
this as well, and it used to be called shell shocked.
Have you guys heard that. I know you guys are
way younger than me.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, I've heard it just being referred to as that,
all right, but more so in terms of like the
people you know, veterans or whatever like that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, So that's where the term comes from with vets.
But interestingly enough, more women get it. Well, not that
a woman couldn't be a VET, but this was back
in the day when they were using the term shell shock,
and there wasn't that many females in military, but more
women do get it than men, and they estimate that
three point five percent of the population has had some
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form of PTSD. So it's not just from being in
the military. It could be anytime you have any kind
of a serious event. So for example, if in my
situation with Gabe Blake, if he goes to a fire
and there's and there's a fatality or something really traumatic happens,
but people have had it after being in a natural
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disaster or some kind of a terrorist attack, or rape
victims or sexual assault victims also end up having it
from time to time, So it could cause there's four
different things that can happen that are symptomatic of having PTSD,
and which is interesting because I'm going to go over
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these with you guys and see what you think about this.
So the first one is avoidance. People who have PTSD
tend to avoid being in situations where their negative experience
may have triggered them may trigger them again. So I
think that that's interesting that I don't know, like, I
feel like you might want to be in a situation
(08:10):
where you're not talking about it all the time on
a TV show and being in the limelight. You might
want to kind of like lean back for a while, right.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, I mean I think you and I in particular,
I've talked about this a lot, where you know, if
this happened and he was really sorry and just kind
of step back for a little bit, I think a
lot of people will be more forgiving of him. But
he is constantly in the news, the wife is constantly
in the news. They're being over the top annoying, and
now they have this show. Like, I'm sorry, as somebody
(08:40):
that loves trash television, I have no interest in watching
them go to the Hamptons all summer.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I just I just don't care. Well, I think that's
where the narcissist thing comes in, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, like it is a strange thing to do. I mean,
unless again, I haven't seen much of it. I've only
seen that trailer, But like I wonder if they're going
to go into his experience, you know, so that you
said they started filming the TV show right before the
trial was most to begin, right, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Remember they were only in court for a week or
two and then it went away magically. Yeah, the prosecution did.
They like fucked up really bad and forgot to disclose
a crucial piece of information and then the whole entire
case got dismissed. So yeah, I am interested. Cloded if
they're also going to go you know, through his I'm
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sure they are, because I'm sure that's intent. That's the
intention of the show is to go through what he's experiencing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But I'm wondering, you know what if.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
This went the other way and he ended up going
to jail and they filmed.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
This entire show.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's what I was just thinking as well, Like what
would they do with that, Like would be interesting to
see her life, you know, with her husband behind bars?
Were they going to kind of turn it into a
documentary style thing? About him. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well that's what's weird to me, because if one of
those signs of PTSD is avoidance, he certainly isn't avoiding
it at all, not even a little bit, right. I mean,
he did that crazy Remember he did that interview where
he was just talking all about himself kind of It
was really it was really self centered and just crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It is weird, Like you just don't have to do interviews.
If you just quietly step back for a little bit,
people would be willing to forgive you and kind of
move on from it. But when you're just constantly putting
yourself in the limelight about it and talking about all
the time, and now you have an entire reality show
you're going to be covering your side of it, it
just seems.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Really out of touch. So other symptoms that you could
see with PTSD are alterations and cognition and mood, so
not being able to remember certain aspects or even the
entire event, just completely blocking it out, negative thoughts about
one's feeling and one's self. So they were saying in
this show that he was saying that he was saying,
(10:56):
why couldn't it have been me? And that I mean,
that's a normal reaction. If something like this were to
occur and then finally just these having the abnormal reactions
to things like angry outbursts and stuff over, then you
normally would so you could get help with this, just
(11:17):
taking medications and stuff. I'm sure. I mean, luckily he's
well off and he could get the best doctors to
help him through this. But you can't help but just
feel terrible for Like I just don't feel bad for them.
This kid lost his mother. You know, do you think
he's using this as a form of exposure therapy, Like
he thinks that constantly talk I just recently read a
(11:41):
book about therapy.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Know, sometimes constantly bringing something back up and up and
up can never help you heal from it and actually
makes the wound so much deeper than if you just
kind of like accepted it happened in the moment, did
some minor grieving about it, and then try to go
on with your life. But I feel like people could
argue that him just constantly wanting to talk about it
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is his way of trying to heal, But it seems
like he's not in a good place. He said in
the show that he's happier asleep than awake, which is
concerning considering he's a father of eight people, and he's
a husband, and you, I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Know, these people don't live normal lives. Come on, you
think they take care of their eight kids?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They only have two nannies?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Okay, oh my god, I love them.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
It's so claude. I'm interested in Ireland that this wasn't
a big story, is he is? He kind of not
even a big deal over there, Like nobody really cared
about it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Not really nobody, like nobody really you know, it just
was a big story because it was what it was
was somebody got shot on set, and you know, people
were wondering after in the direct aftermath, I suppose, like
everyone else was, you know, what happened? Why did he do?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was it on purpose? Was it somebody's fault? Was going loaded?
You know, all the kind of questions everyone else had.
But then it just kind of fled out the news,
like you would never really make news here for doing
anything anyway. So it was just because he was this
crazy thing had happened that it sort of came into
the headlines. And now because of that, anytime anything to
do with is sort of happens, it will come up.
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But I don't see his new reality show making headlines
over here. I must have been watching something on an
American channel when I seen that that trailer, because it
definitely wouldn't be on Irish TV.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well you're lucky. Okay, let's get into freak accidents and
talk about this one, because this one's outrageous.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All right. In Ireland on Friday, police were shocked when
they got a call that partial human remains were found
in the school yard. They get there, there's a human
hand laying in the yard. Of course, they're trying to
figure out how it got there, and they're going through
CCTV and they see that a bird carried it and
dropped it in the yard. So you have some more backstory.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
On this, Klota, I've.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Been a little bit of backstory on it. So yeah,
when they happened. So this happened probably like thirty minutes
from where I live. But the reason it was I
supposed of interest. Obviously, it's a bizarre thing to happen.
When the news came into the news desk, we were
just ready to record a podcast and one of the
edgeitles was like, oh, let me just you know, read
the story to me and we were brote like what, like,
how did that? Where did it come from? My first
(14:19):
thought was, oh, you know, an animal must have found
a body. And I'm trying to think, is there any
missing people around there? Like, but I suppose a lot
of people would have thought so. In twenty twenty, they
started twenty twenty there was a guy driving down the
road in a dark car and he threw a sports
bag out the window, and a guy went and checked
in the sports bag and he found some human remains
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with a pair of flip flops. And this was like
five minutes from where the incident with the hand of
the school was. So then a couple of days later
there was hands and feet belonged to the same body
found in a car burned out, and like a few
months later, the tour though was found. But all these
different dismembered body parts belong to a teenager who had
been reported missing, and it was all to do with
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a drugs gang. He had, you know, crossed one of
the leaders of the mob. And everyone was sort of thinking,
oh my god, it's another dismembered hand like in the
same area. Is this something to do with this again?
But then, of course we find out that it was
a twelve year old apparently with a gas canister, and
that's what happened. But there hasn't been much more reported
on whether or not they've confirmed the hand belongs to
(15:25):
the twelve year old Bush. There was questions around whether
or not this was a copycat incident of what happened before.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, you guys got a lot of body part news.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Right, You're like, oh, is this just another body part? Yeah?
So when they there, what they'll do is they'll bring
the hand to the medical Examiner's office or forensic pathologists
and they're gonna do DNA testing to see if they
could figure out that way. But another thing they're gonna
do is kind of a mini autopsy on it. They're
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gonna look at it like an external exam. They're gonna
look at it and see if they could figure out
what happened because that could help narrow down who it
belongs to. So first they'll look at the margin, that's
the area where it was removed from the body, and
they'll see if there was any signs that the person
was still alive when their hand was removed. So they'll
look for hemorrhage, and then they'll also look at the
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edge to see was it torn off of a person?
Was it cut with a sharp instrument off of a person?
So they're going to look for all sorts of different
things like that. It's possible that the hand could be
partially decomposed, although it can't be that decomposed because it
still seems like it was together as a hand. And
they also can X ray it and they could see
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that's one of the ways. I mean, obviously, if you
look at a hand, you could tell it's from a
little kid, but you could do X rays and look
at the bones to see if you could estimate the
age of the person as well.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, that's really interesting that they could determine that that way.
I think it's good that it seems like the school
was on a break, so none of the kids were
in the area. Could you imagine being a little kid.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, and there's the bird drops a hand from the sky,
Like I can't imagine there's too many people gone around
missing their hand. So I would assume that they were
able to kind of narrow it down pretty easily. Well,
I don't know, because near you it seems like so
they'll they'll also determine if the hands a left or
(17:22):
right hand. That's an easy one to So this kid,
you were saying he was playing with a gas can
and there was an explosion. Yeah, that seems to what happened.
I think the night before, the Thursday evening there had
been he was something happened with a gas canister and
it exploded. I don't know what exactly he was supposed
to have been doing with it, and the hand, obviously,
(17:43):
I assume blew off. I assume he went to A
and E or something like that with you know, missing
his hand, and whether they couldn't find it, and a
bird just sort of I suppose. I don't know if
the projection of a gas canister would have blown the
hand away, I suppose, and maybe it landed somewhere that
a bird was able to get at it and that
was how it got there. But I'm sure there'll be more.
(18:06):
There would definitely be follow up because it's one of
those bizarre little stories that happens here every night.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And then, yeah, can you imagine if they didn't have
the surveillance footage to see that the bird had dropped
it there and trying to piece together how exactly it
got from point A to point B.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I actually have a similar story to hopefullieve it
or not. So when I was rotating at the Medical
Examiner's office, one of the investigators so this is like
a story told by me and now I'm retelling it.
But one of the investigators told me that they were
on the scene once of there was a person that
got hit by a train, right, and then a week
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later there were some kids that were walking home from
school along a train track and a kid found a
human nose. But at the time they didn't they didn't
put two and two together that it had anything to
do with the train accident. So they get a call
at the Medical Examiner's office like, Hi, a child just
found a human knows we need to investigate this, And
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then they were able to determine that it came from
the person that was hit by the train. But how
knots is that? Wow?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, that's horrible. Imagine like being that young and finding
something like that.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I'd be stoked. I feel like, I feel like, look
what I found.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, I feel like my brain could not even register
it was the human body part. I'd just be like, no,
it must be some Halloween thing or something.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
There's no, it's like that's the way everyone's I was like, oh,
I thought it was a monnequin, and it never is.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There was that case we talked about.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Was it there was the sex doll on the beach
that somebody thought was a real person.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, do you know about this?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No, there was one of those, and never remember. We
were like googling sex dolls and it was in our
weeks afterwards.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well yeah, and guess what, it's still there. And my
kids were looking through Amazon the other day and Luca
was like, well, that's because it says like things you
might like. And I was like, what, I look at
it and I was like, oh, don't ask lich.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, I used to work for eBay and I
remember we got to call from a guy one time
and he was, you know, because obviously Google ads they
are what you are looking up whatever I remember he
was doing. He's like, every time I'm on your website,
I'm getting ads for poorn. This is just pulling websites.
And we had to try and explain to him the
Google ads are based on his searchesters.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's great, this is awesome. All right, let's move on
to this next case. In Australia, a ten year old
boy was making a grilled cheese. This story bothers me
because I could totally see this happening to me because
of such a klutz. So he's making this grilled cheese
in his kitchen. He trips and lands backwards on an
open dishwasher and there was a steak knife sticking up
in the bottom and he had stabbed in the spine.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh my god, yeah, this is this.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So the mom is putting out a warning saying, hey,
make sure when you put knives in the dishwasher don't
put them upward, which you were. You really have to
be careful with that and teach children. I like, one
part of me is just like, this is awesome that
a ten year old was making a grilled cheese. I
love that. Teach kids how to cook early. It's great,
(21:12):
But you have to teach everyone knife safety and it's
probably Honestly, the mom was probably the one that loaded
the dishwasher, although a child could have too, But I'm
kind of anti putting the knives in the dishwasher anyway,
Because I had a story once one of my followers
had submitted me a case of a similar thing that
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a knife had fell out of the dishwasher and like
stabbed her right in the foot. It was stuck in
her foot and she had to go to the hospital
with it, and that always freaked me out.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I always wonder about this because even though we cover
stories like this, and I know I'm such a klutz,
like I always wear like my sandals when I'm cooking,
or just know she was at all, and I'm like,
this is going to be a major situation one day. Well,
it's important to note that he's okay, but just barely.
It was only a millimeter different. So what do they
(22:03):
do with the hospital when kids come in like this.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, the imaging is really crazy because they brought him
in with the knife still in his back and it
just missed his spinal cord by millimeters, they said, which
could have paralyzed him. Really, so they have to take
it out very carefully. Sometimes they'll do it under image guided.
They'll use some obviously, like they can't use an MRI
(22:26):
machine because of the metal, but they'll use they'll do
an image guided removal of it to make sure that
they're not hitting vital structures. Because you have to think
about if a knife is inside of a person. Sometimes
it could be either right near a blood vessel or
poking a blood vessel, and don't you definitely don't want
to pull it out of a blood vessel if it's
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plugging it up. So they have to really be careful
when they're pulling something like that out, which is why
when ems arrived and saw him in that condition, they
just bring him to the hospital with the knife still
in place.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, that was really quick thinking because I'd be straight
away like I think I would, right, you just go
to remove us and like those like really smart of
the mother to leave it in there.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No, it really was.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Oh, it is like it was real. It looks like
to me like yeah, like it looks like it got
stuck in the bone or something like it's deep in there.
It's it's a big knife too. If you see the imaging,
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well there's a heartwarming element to the story too, because
apparently when he was in the hospital they were doing
these creative workshops and he learned that he had a
talent to do marionette puppeting.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Oh that's so cute.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Oh, he would have never known such a random thing
that of course, he would have never known because who
was interacting with puppets in the while true, at least
there is a good outcome.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
To this, oh man.
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we covered this week are Maria an article about a human.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Egg farm that's that's coming soon.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
It didn't even come out yet. Yeah, it's it's so
fresh that we didn't even post it yet, but it's
it's freaking crazy. We talked about three d ultrasounds in
my personal experience with one when I was pregnant with
one of my kids and how it ruined my pregnancy
basically bipolar medication during pregnancy and a terrible case of
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something happening because of that. And we also have a
super crazy rectal foreign body video. Did you see that, Maria?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, I haven't gotten in yet today.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
It's so crazy because we always talk about these rectal
foreign bodies and we never see what it looks like
when someone actually has something stuck up their boy and
has to get it removed, and it just makes your
heine pucker. I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
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keep getting bombarded with other requests.
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Speaker 3 (25:56):
Okay, what's next? Oh yeah, the true crime?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
So this this wasn't very far from us, right, like
only a couple hours. Yeah, it was in York, Pennsylvania County,
I think York County. So Saturday morning, this guy went
into a Pennsylvania hospital with a semi automatic pistol and
zip tize. So he headed to the ICU where one
of his loved ones had just been treated and ended
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up dying. So not only did he shoot a couple
of people in the unit, as I guess his way
of not taking the death of his loved one well,
but he also took a couple of the hospital staff
members hostage.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
This is so scary if you work in a hospital, really,
and yeah, it seems like the guy was one of
they just keep saying in the article his loved one died.
I heard today from one of my friends that it
possibly could have been a fiance or something, but apparently
this person had a terminal illness and he couldn't accept
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it and he believed that the people at the ICU
were responsible for this person's death.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's just really horrible. You know, you want to think
a hospital is a really safe place, and then I guess,
you know, I'd ever think of doctors and nurses being targeted,
because we often talk about how judges and lawyers are,
you know, targeted quite often, But you don't think about
someone dying and their loved one trying to come back
and kill you because of something like this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
What's scary is that they took this guy went in
and took these people hostage. He went in at ten
thirty in the morning and he wasn't killed until about
eleven fifteen, So that was almost forty minutes of hell
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for these people. He went in and he zip tied
up a nurse, He shot a doctor, he shot a nurse,
he killed a police officer. The police tried to go
back and help, and he was holding people hostage, shooting
guns at the police and everything, and they weren't able to.
When they encountered them again, they shot and killed them.
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Thank God. Imagine being a patient in the hospital while
this was going on and you're in a bed, especially
especially if you're in the ICU, you're really really sick,
and think about hearing this on the news and your
family being there or patients, I mean ten thirty in
the afternoon, there were probably families there visiting. Just such
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a scary situation.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So traumatizing as well for them, like not only to obviously,
like you said, if you're in ICU, it's something wrong
and your family here is by, you know, surely they're
going to be panicking about you as well, and even
comite the other side of that. It's got to be
pretty traumatic.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, First, before I guess they released the motive and
the connection to the of one being there, I didn't
know if it was going to turn into some like
you know Luigi situation where like something happened and he
was protesting against the hospital.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So when I first.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Saw the story broke, that was always a concerning element
because you know, we're having this big argument of do
you take the law in your hands because you don't
like how something's going down basically, But I guess this
is just, you know, a component of having a loved
one that's ill that people don't understand, and not everybody
appreciates the effort of the hospital staff.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Cloda probably has no idea what you're even talking about
because they don't even have You guys don't even have
health insurance right.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well, we we have what's called the HSE, which is
basically free. It's very very cheap.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It's cheap. I just want to know so we could
hear it, because when I tell you what we pay,
you're not gonna believe it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So like, you can't have private health insurance if you
want to go to a private hospital or like you know,
get up the wait and lists to see consultants and
things like that and get private rooms or whatever. But
like it, I think it's like, well, for I know
in America that like you have to pay for every
single thing to do with childbirth, like you skin to
skin contact, fifty dollars please, all that sort of thing.
(30:08):
But for here, it's basically free maternity care all through
your pregnancy, giving birth, all that sort of stuff absolutely free.
Like a stay in hospital is like eighty euro a
night and that's capped at like ten nights in a year,
so you know, if you spent eleven nights, you only
pay for the ten and that includes like MRIs X rays,
blood tests, everything is sort of included. And the same
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like if I go to the doctor and he gives
me a note to go to the an E and
I have to get let an MRI or whatever it
might be, like all of that is covered free as
part of you know, well it's seventy quid or whatever
to go to the doctor, but that letter gets me
whatever I might need at the hospital for free, and
you do not pay per month for that. No, so
if you want to have private health insurance. You can
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some people get it because you know, like I said,
you kind of get into hospit into private hospitals. So
you go to a hospital, get a private room, things
like that. You might get seen quicker by consultants, and
that can be like maybe two hundred three hundred euro
own month, depending on how many people in the family
you want on the plan or how like you know,
thorough and how much coverage you have in the plan.
How much does it do you guys have to be.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, my health insurance for me and my husband
is nine hundred dollars a month and then what and
then it barely covers anything. I just got an MRI
and it was another nine hundred dollars. Oh my god,
they only covered a percentage of it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
See mine is my husband pays through his work, so
he pays almost two thousand dollars and a month and
his employer pays the difference. So it's wregage what I know,
it's yeah, it's outrageous, I know. And then on top
of that, I mean, ours is pretty good though, because
once we go like when we go pick up medicine,
(31:48):
it's only five dollars and the doctor's appointment might be
ten dollars or something, which is cheap for us, so
mostly everything's covered. But yeah, that's so, but you've so
you've heard about this. Did you even hear about this
case with this guy that killed the healthcare executive?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Oh? Yes, So that was a very interesting case to us.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
But like, like it's interesting that you guys even like
like care about it. You know, I think I think
we're so fucked up over here.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, well, just because we know how expensive things are
in the States, Like even if you're here and you're unwelfare,
like you get you get a medical card which covers
everything for free, or a doctor's visit card, and then
like our prescriptions and stuff are like capped per month
for the family and things like that, so there is
things that make it cheaper. Like I don't personally buy
insurance because I'm like, ah, there's no point, It's just
cheaper for me to actually just go public and pay
(32:39):
when I need it. But when Luigi, like when that
story broke, like it was just so interesting when we
found out the motive behind it, because obviously I was
actually in the States when he was caught, and I
remember when I was there. I was like, oh, maybe
he's like around here somewhere, like you'd never know. But no,
we've been following that story at least I have with
(32:59):
the great and enthusiasm. I'm very interested to see how
his trial plays out, and I've been thoroughly enjoying the memes.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, I really don't think in America they can get
a jury that's gonna be fair, because every single person
in some way has been affected by the healthcare system here.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Doude, let me tell you so, my little my youngest
has medical issues. She has a chronic bone disease, and
her doctor called me yesterday and said they want to
put her on a new medicine. She's this doctor told
me that, She's like, it's gonna take a couple of
weeks to see if the insurance will approve it, So
(33:37):
just keep taking the other one until you get approved.
Like I just have to wait weeks for them to
even tell me if if I could get it or not.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It's so outrageous, that is, like, it is just insane
how it works in the States. Like, obviously I don't
have first sound experience saving there, but from what I've
seen on television and stuff, like that. People get jobs
purely so they'll have you know, insurance, which is just
you know, should be a basic human right that people
have access to, or not even insurance, but medical care.
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Like it's just bizarre.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I actually only went to college to get health insurance
for my kid. That's why I started college because I
wasn't going to be covered under my mom because you
get kicked well, now you get kicked off when you're
what twenty six, yeah, twenty six, But when I was,
when I was a teenager, it was you got kicked
off when you were eighteen. That's what before that law
(34:31):
came into place, and I thought, okay, well what I
have to get health insurance for me and my kid.
That's the only how am I going to get a job.
I need to get a job that has health insurance.
Like that's a that was a motivating factor for me.
It's crazy, that is yeah, that is crazy. Okay, let's
get onto some medical news.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
In India, this twenty six year old man was experiencing
symptoms including a persistent cough, sudden weight loss, and insomnia. Initially,
he was diagnosed with a lung infection, but doctors did
more testing and what did they find.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So they did a CT scan and they saw that
he had this. They said they had a lower lung infection,
and at some point they discovered that there was a
lump like area in the lung. So I don't know
what forced them to do surgery because it looks like
that might not have been seen until after they did
some kind of surgery. But regardless, he had some kind
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of a lump and when they cut it open, they
found what appeared to be a plastic pen cap. So
what's wild about this is they asked his family if
he has followed anything, and his brother said, I don't
think recently, but he's followed a pen cap like twenty
years ago when he was five.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
He's twenty six now.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, So they brought him to the hospital. The parents
brought him to the hospital and they couldn't find anything
in his stomach. And they said, Okay, well, I guess
I guess he passed it. Can't we can't find it.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I mean, just how how does it stay in that
long without not showing any problems?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
For twenty years he's had the guys had chronic cough,
unexplained weight loss in some he's been having symptoms the
chronic cough is is definitely for sure. So it's just
like any other thing that we talk about, IUDs or
any kind of foreign object that you put in breast implants,
like your body is just like I don't like this,
and I'm going to build a wall around it. Some
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people can have foreign objects embedded in their body forever
and never have problems, and then other people have problems.
Obviously you're going to have problems if you have a
foreign object in your lung for all that time. So
he probably formed what's called a granuloma around this thing,
this pen cap, and it's you know, the body's way
of walling off this thing that doesn't it doesn't want
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to be there, you know. So they were able to
take it out and hopefully the guy probably won't have
any issues anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So I gues he, yes, I'm confused, like how did
he was it in his lung? Or yes, I guess
that's what's confused me.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
It went it okay. So when they thought he swallowed
this this pen cap, he didn't swallow it. He aspirated it.
It went inside of his lung at the time, so
it got stuck so far deep inside of his lung
that's what that's what happened. It never was in his
GI track which listen from a perspective, a medical perspective.
(37:31):
If you know that a child ingested a foreign body
and you don't see it, you need to start thinking
about things like that. I'm not sure why they didn't
do any additional work up. I mean it was twenty
years ago. I don't know what hospital. This wasn't in America, right, No,
it was in India. Yeah, so I don't know what
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their protocols are. I would think though that in twenty
twenty five, if you brought in a kid and said
they swallowed this and they didn't see it, they would
do they're testing to see if it was somewhere else,
because just doing something like an X ray that something
like that might not show up because it's not metal.
It might it might show up. I'm just not really sure.
(38:14):
But but yeah, this is this is kind of a
crazy case. It's a cool story now, but imagine having
a cough you're you're like your entire adult life, and
then just be finding out that this is what it
was from.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I mean, have you ever breathed like food in by accident?
It's the worst feeling.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Ever, Yeah, can you imagine an entire pen cap? I
was actually gonna ask, because you definitely know this is
this like a myth, like you know, like one of
those Marilon Manson took out his raves myth? Or do
pancaffs have like little holes on the tops to stop
you from like if you breathe it in to keep
you breathing.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know that that's an issue I've never I've never
heard of that, but that actually makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, if any pen cap is like I'm just looking
right at mine, they've all got like a little in
the top, and I was told it was just to
make sure that you can still breathe if you accidently.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
So it's probably possible because so many people put them
in their mouth, and this is not the first person
that's in how a pen cap, So there might be
there might have been a lawsuit at some point. But
you have to have the cap on because it keeps
the ink dry, So that might have been the compromise
that these companies came to. But you are right. I'm
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thinking about the different types of pens that I use,
and they all have some form of a small little
hole at the top of them. So it probably you're
probably right with that.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Have you ever been to Philly? Yes? Have you been
to the moodor Museum?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
No? So we have this like medical oddities museum here,
but they have drawers of stuff people swallowed, and most
notably it's like, you know, embroidery needles, hair pins.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And bobby pins are and I put a bobby pin
in my mouth every single day and I think about
it like I'm extra careful because I put it in
to split it with my teeth.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Of course, that's fascinating though.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
It's cool. Yeah, they just have these drawers that you
pull out and you could look at all of them,
and a lot of them are from from one hundred
years ago. So it's just cool that you could see that.
Like people don't use hair pins anymore like that, you know,
So it's really it's cool.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I hope stories like this help our listeners double you know,
triple think when they're doing something, because I'm always like
sticking embroidery needles in my mouth and I'm like, in particular,
a couple of weeks ago when my husband was driving
and I'm like, you know, if he stops quickly, this
is gonna be a serious problem.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So I really have to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I keep saying it so often. I have to get
out of the habit of doing it. But it's difficult.
All right, let's talk about our last story. So a
new study has come out to say that scented wax
melts can cause the same level of pollution in the
air as diesel engines.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Do you guys, So what's the culture over there in Ireland? Like,
are you using candles a lot to make your hairuse
smell good?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yes, I'm a big candle over tea lights, scented candles,
wax melts, everything all the time everywhere, big fun of them.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Well you're gonna die now, grace. So's it seems like
that they created these wax melts because they thought originally
it would be less pollution than burning a flame, a
typical flame candle. But in the process they put more
fragrance to make it stronger when you melt them, and
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then that is putting these particles into the air that
are not Apparently they're thinking that they're not safe for
us to be breathing in. They don't have exact studies,
but some other things that put off particles similar to
this have caused cardiac issues and respiratory issues, so they're
going to be doing more studies on it, saying that
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even after something as little as twenty minutes of exposure
can cause a person to be having problems. And god,
it's so scary because this isn't just for the wax melts.
But it's like those plugin You ever see those things,
those plug in oil things that what do they call
that batho and body Works or whatever or Yankee has them.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, they're just scented. Can They're just like sented.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, but they're also saying, like the aromatherapy oils, like
all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
This sucks because I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
This just sucks, you know what. This is why I
chose the story this week because this sucks.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
When you picked the.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Stories yesterday and I first started reading it, I was like,
on Sunday alone, I know, I burnt a candle for
probably eleven hours straight and I was sitting in the
room most of the time. So like this, this is great.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I've a sentence candle on my desk burning at all
times or sometimes too. Yeah, I just love my candles.
That's really sad. Night. My mom doesn't burn candles because
She's like, no, the's really bad for your lungs. And
I was like, you're crazy, No they're not, it's not.
But now I can see that she was right.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yes, the worst to tell your mom that, are right?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Right?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I know?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I mean i'd say.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
No, it really is like, first of all, can we
not have anything like? You know, nothing sets the mood
better than a nice candle. You wake up, it's a
nice sunny, seventy degree day. You're gonna light a nice
anthropology candle and just like a really good day. I
don't know, this really sucks. I hope, you know. I
guess it's too late for me because I'm addicted, so
(43:25):
I'm not going back.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
At this point.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But I don't know. After reading this article, I feel
like candles are this are are the safer alternative at
this point. I just bought a humidifier and it came
with these aromatherapy drops that you could put in it,
and you put it on at night and you're like, oh,
this is like a SPA experience. It smells so good,
and I'm just like, yeah, cool, that's great. It's things
(43:50):
like that.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
So this article was saying that the scented wax melts
were marketed as offering less.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Pollution than candles.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
But do they have any.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Responsibility now because this is deemed false average, Yes.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
This is like every single thing that ever occurred in
the world. Like I'll give you two examples. Number one,
when I was a little kid, we used to use
paper bags at the grocery store all the time, and
then all of a sudden, they were like, this isn't good.
We're gonna start using plastic bags. They're better. We don't
want to cut down so many trees for these bags.
And now look where we're at with Okay, example number
(44:26):
two percocets and opioids. I mean, like, let's just go
down the list of things that were supposed to be
good that that are Oh, now they're not good. They
were this alternative. Yeah, what else? Like well, cloda.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
We live in New Jersey, and a couple of years
ago they put this ban on plastic bags, so like
if you go to the store or anything, you have
to bring your own bags or you have to buy
these reusable ones. And then now that it's been in
effect for a couple of years, studies have come out
that the new reusable bags are three times worse for
the environment than the plastic bags. And you know, there's
(45:00):
like issues with the manufacturing overseas and everything like that,
so like not only are they bad for the environment,
but they cost more money. They're causing all these other issues.
So now I heard they're reversing the band soon.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
See it's rare to actually go into a shop here
and get a plastic bag. I think we might have
been one of the first countries to introduce like a levy,
so you have to pay like fifteen cent for a
plastic bag or bring your owns. Then people started getting
reusual bags. But now they've phased out plastic bags. It's
only if you go to like a shop in the
middle of nowhere, but they don't have you know, the
(45:33):
paper bags. But it's mostly plastic here too. But I
do you know what the annoying thing is, every time
I go somewhere, I'm like, I forgot my bags and
I have to buy another reusable bags, and I have
just so many. It's just every time it happens, forget
to bring them so now, which doesn't make sense because
then you have to rebuy.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
A thicker plastic right. Yes, when I was in California,
they would charge the ten or fifteen cents for the bag,
and I'm like, okay, I'll buy it, and then you know,
I have it, and I do reuse them. I will
bring my lunch in them. I use them as trash
bags things like that. But then you're buying this totally
useless bag. Half of them ripped after the first sheets.
(46:11):
So this is why they're causing such more damage.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
And you feel bad if you're using it as a
bit buy because you're like, oh no, it's actually a
bit decent. I could use this for something else.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, yeah, like I don't. I You're right, I feel
guilty using one of those bags just to get litter,
put the cat litter in. You know, I'm like, this
is too good for cat litter. But then I seriously
have in my basement. They should they should have a
program where you can bring them back, maybe because I
have hundreds of them. It's outrageous, No.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
It really is. And then off of your point of
like oxy cotton then stuff. You know that when we
were talking about a couple of weeks ago, that new
drug they've made that they claim is non addictive, Like
that's what they also said about OxyS. So let's wait
a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
This is my fear with drugs like ozempic and stuff
like that, because you just you just here about like,
all there's this new thing that's supposed to be that
it's supposed to solve all our problems, and we know
how that goes down. No, totally every single time. All right, Clota,
So what are you got going on over there? Like,
tell us, tell us, tell us what's going on in
(47:17):
Ireland that we need to know about?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Well, body parts everywhere all the time, you know, just
a bit of everything. I I I don't know. Sorry,
I don't really have any more news on that front.
And No, every time something bizarre happens that I'm like,
oh that's very mother nose death, I send it to Maria.
(47:41):
So you guys are kept well informed.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Did you guys cover the Connorm Orgregor case?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
So I covered the trial so I was there in
the courtroom every day.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Wow. Yeah, that was like a huge, That was a huge.
Does he live there?
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Does he lives here? He lives in Cldair, which is
another county over and he was in court every day.
I think he's back in court next week. There's you know,
he had to give a sworn AFFI David to the
judge to say that he had gotten rid of the
CCTV footage that was as part of the trial because
he was threatening to or at least one of his
(48:19):
business colleagues was threatening to use the CCTV footage as
part of a promotion in Italy for his drinks deal
for his drinks brand. Sorry, so he might have to
come before the judge and swear and tell him exactly
what he did with it, because you know, the judge
said that his explanation for what he did with the
copies of the CCTV wasn't sort of robust enough. So
(48:42):
it looks like he's going back to court for that,
and of course he is. You know, there's been numerous
accusations made in the States, and they seem to be
kind of settled and dropped. But there is one that
seems to be sticking, right the one in New York,
the Wall Street banker.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I haven't been keeping tabs as much on those cases,
but I know there's there's definitely other incidents than the
one he was just on trial for.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Wait, so this is like sexual assault cases you're talking about? Yeah,
so there's more than the one that you just did.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Remember I was telling you, like when we were just
covering the other one, that I didn't even know about
that case because I was I thought it was another
one that just happened more recently.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
So, oh, that was the one that happened in Miami
or something, or where it happened.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Oh yeah, I think what wasn't Miami. I think I
know the woman, The woman who's suing him was a
Wall Street banker, I believe, or at least she worked
in some sort of high part exac in Wall Streets,
and I think that was in Miami. I think he
assaulted or was allegedly assaulted the mascot for the team.
Oh yeah, mascat.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
And then sorry, I'm unprepared on this topic, but I
feel was the one that you guys just covered. Was
that the one where he went in the bathroom with
the woman was.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
The same.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, that's the Miami one. The Miami one. The one
that was in Dublin was uh, it was an incident
that happened in a hotel in Dublin.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yes, yes, yeah, I knew about the one at the
basketball game and what happened there. But isn't he wasn't
he alleged to have assaulted two women there, the mascot
and then another woman in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, so I think that's the that's the Wall Street woman.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yes, okay, so yeah there.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
I mean this, he's so outrageous that we're talking about this.
That's like everybody's just kind of like, oh, yeah, we
assault he assaulted this one and assaulted this one. Like
why is this still happening?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Well, I mean these are people that have spoken out too,
So I mean I doubt it happens one time and
then it goes to trial. I don't want to like
say anything for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if
even more people.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Came forward over time.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I mean you have to think about it, like he
must have this is my opinion. He must have set
in some capacity. I mean, have you seen the fights
he's gotten into.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
It's just not ct oh chronic traumatic encephalopathy. It's due
to multiple blows to the head that causes your brain
shrinkage over time, and.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
It's a it's a big problem over here because it
happens to a lot of football.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Is this like the Phineas Gage sort of thing where
he you know, was hitting the head with the bot
and his brain chemistry changed because of the injury, like
you become more aggressive and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
I thought, Right, So we cover it a lot over
here because it happens in a lot of football players.
We just had a case last week talking about a
professional hockey player that had been diagnosed with it after
he died, and there was a wrestler that killed his
whole family and hot. Yeah, so it's it's a pretty
big topic over here, I guess because just sports. I
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don't know, you guys probably have it in regular football
when I'm talking about football, I mean American football, but
you guys probably have it in some capacity with soccer
as we go.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
But I don't know, probably soccer, rugby. I don't know
if you have rugby in the US, which I don't
really know any of the right sports, but to me,
rugby looks like American football kind of similar.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Okay, yeah, And I have no idea, like I just
know that they like look cute in their you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Like we have on our American football team a guy
that used to play rugby. I believe in New Zealand
there's they like drafted him because it's similar enough.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
That he was able to switch over. Do you think
there are helmets in American football?
Speaker 2 (52:44):
They do, but it's you know, it's barely protection and
you have like a two hundred and fifty pound man
tackling another one to the ground and it's just aggressive.
But I wouldn't be surprised if in some capacity these
MMA fighters have huge issues.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
With it too. They do. It started actually, this used
to be called dementia pugilistica, which is named after boxers.
So it was called punk punch drunk. Have you ever
heard of that? Yeah, so it originated with boxers back
in the day. That's when they first started seeing these
changes in the brain and people that were getting repetitive
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head trauma. And so he's a candidate for sure, but like,
who cares if he has that or not, Like, it
still doesn't excuse him from I'm not saying you can't
just go rape and everyone like, you just can't do
that regardless. It's just about to quote I was I
was trying to quote Antoine.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
No, it's certainly not an excuse, but you have to think,
you know, these these incidents, let's say, are more common
in people that are in these professions or constantly getting
hit in the head. So I don't know all right,
well to tell everybody, tell everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
So I am the assistant producer of Crime World podcast.
Sometimes I host episodes, sometimes a report like I said,
I reported on the economic Gregor trial. We usually cover
mostly Irish crime, lots of ganglang crime here in Ireland
is believed or not. And yeah, I'm on social media
Akoda dot Meni on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Awesome, thank you so much for coming on this.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Thanks, we hope to see you soon.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
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Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we'll
be discussing some of this week's news stories with our
friend Clodagh Meni. Clodagh is an assistant producer, reporter and
an occasional host of Ireland's leading true crime podcast, Crime World.
There is a very interesting case coming out of Ireland
today involving a human hand falling from the sky, and
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hopefully Clauda will be able to shed some light on
that for us. We'll also discuss Alec Baldwin and his
claim that he suffers from PTSD, a hostage situation in
shooting at a Pennsylvania hospital, and the dangers of heated
fragrances like wax melts and more. Hi Clodagh, We're so
happy to have you here today.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hi guys, I'm so happy to be here. I finally
get to actually speak back to you when I'm listening
to the podcast. Every time I'm listening like, oh my god,
I should say this, or I should say I'd say
this if that was me on the podcast. Oh I
know about that. So I're happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I love when you send me new stories and we're
just talking about how ridiculous some of this stuff is
because it just some world we live in anymore. It's
like nothing surprises me anymore, especially the story. We're gonna
get to it a little bit about the hand and
the bird.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, I was really happy to see that was on
the list for today because I was some interesting backstory.
I'm not free as well.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh, we can't wait, we can't wait. Okay, let's get
started with the celebrity news, because Maria can't wait for
this one.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
All right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So Alec Baldwin's new show premiered Aunt TILC on Sunday night,
which we all know. I've talked a lot about him
on here, and I I don't know. I was going
back and forth whether I was gonna watch it or not,
but I feel like in the best interest of our audience,
of course I should watch the show.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And when this is like totally up your alley, it's
such trash, I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Really not liking TLC nowadays. They're really going downhill. But
I saw the trailer that they were talking about the
rush shooting, which we've covered significant for significant amount of
time on here, and I went to a crime con
lecture about it, so I am interested in it. But
this first episode comes out, and you know, they're like
introducing their whole family and everything, and of course Hillary's involved,
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and they touch on her accent situation. And for those
of you that don't know Alec Baldwin's wife, is this
like totally normal white woman from Boston that just was
role playing as a Spanish person for years ago.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I forgot about.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Thome Fen when she couldn't say cucumber on like the
Today Show or whatever she was on.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yes, she was cutting a cue cumber. For those of
you that don't know this, I'm sure that there can't
possibly be anyone that hasn't heard this story. But she
was preparing food on the Today Show and she said,
and I'm gonna grab this. It's how you say a cucumber.
And she her her primary English or her primary language
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is English, so there's no reason that she can't recall
the word cucumber and has this weird accent that she created.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's just so weird because her excuse for all of
this now is that she grew up bilingual, and so
it's totally normal to be going in and.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Out of accents.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
But I think most bilingual people are arguing that that
does not happen like you would.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I feel like you would go more, you dip more
into the English instead of primarily speaking Spanish and then
vice versa.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
It's it's pretty well, well.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Her mom, it's not like her mother is Spanish and
that was going on in the house because you could
understand that it's she just she just learned it right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, my biggest thing is her name is Hillary, Like
that's what she was born as. So how did she
shift into the Spanish version.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Of her name?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Well, you know what, talk about this story because I
think that this actually ties into a lot of this.
So with Russ, Yeah, like why are they in the
news this week besides the show? Well, they're on the show,
but they're talking about on the show that it's been
a rough year because the show starts filming right before
the summer of last year when he was about to
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go on trial, and she's saying that he was that
Alec Baldwin was diagnosed with PTSD from the shooting.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
And I don't know, like you, what are your what
are both of your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I don't know I think it's like, if that was
me in his situation, and he genuinely it was an
accident or whatever, he probably would have PTSD after that.
But I don't know, what do you think? Do you
think it was an accident? It was not accident. It
hasn't really been a massive news story here in Ireland.
We've kind of dipped in and out of it when
sort of the big things were happening. I did somehow
randomly see the trailer for that on the television the
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other day. I can't remember what I was watching or
why it was on, but I remember seeing that going, oh, yeah,
I forgot that happened. But I've never really formed an
opinion about whether or not I think he did it
maliciously or not.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I don't. I don't think he did. I think it
was just negligence right on their part. I don't. I
definitely don't think that he did, and I think he
has PTSD. But I also think that he's a narcissist
big time. Why would you be starting a reality TV
show right before you're going on trial for something so
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serious if you're really distraught about it, right, yeah's real weird.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think my biggest thing was I definitely, I definitely
was leaning hard into he did it not intentionally, but
he had a lot more responsibility behind the scenes that
a lot of people didn't want to recognize.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
And then when I.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Went to the lecture at crime con Core TV had
put on, they had a gun expert go through the
shooting and how it could have happened accidentally. And I
understood that from a firearms perspective and having them having
interviewed other firearms experts, that the shooting itself could have
been accidental. But I guess my biggest problem in all
of it was that he's.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
A produce sir.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
He has some responsibility behind the scenes. He was made
aware of unsafe conditions and didn't really do anything to
prevent it.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I think in some regard he needs to be held
responsible for that, But I don't think he purposely went
to work that day and was like, I'm going to
kill this lady.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Hopefully No, No, I really hope not so.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
PTSD, let's talk about that a little bit. I talk
with my husband about this from time to time, obviously,
because first responders firefighters deal with a fair amount of
this as well, and it used to be called shell shocked.
Have you guys heard that. I know you guys are
way younger than me.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, I've heard it just being referred to as that,
all right, but more so in terms of like the
people you know, veterans or whatever like that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, So that's where the term comes from with vets.
But interestingly enough, more women get it. Well, not that
a woman couldn't be a VET, but this was back
in the day when they were using the term shell shock,
and there wasn't that many females in military, but more
women do get it than men, and they estimate that
three point five percent of the population has had some
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form of PTSD. So it's not just from being in
the military. It could be anytime you have any kind
of a serious event. So for example, if in my
situation with Gabe Blake, if he goes to a fire
and there's and there's a fatality or something really traumatic happens,
but people have had it after being in a natural
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disaster or some kind of a terrorist attack, or rape
victims or sexual assault victims also end up having it
from time to time, So it could cause there's four
different things that can happen that are symptomatic of having PTSD,
and which is interesting because I'm going to go over
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these with you guys and see what you think about this.
So the first one is avoidance. People who have PTSD
tend to avoid being in situations where their negative experience
may have triggered them may trigger them again. So I
think that that's interesting that I don't know, like, I
feel like you might want to be in a situation
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where you're not talking about it all the time on
a TV show and being in the limelight. You might
want to kind of like lean back for a while, right.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, I mean I think you and I in particular,
I've talked about this a lot, where you know, if
this happened and he was really sorry and just kind
of step back for a little bit, I think a
lot of people will be more forgiving of him. But
he is constantly in the news, the wife is constantly
in the news. They're being over the top annoying, and
now they have this show. Like, I'm sorry, as somebody
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that loves trash television, I have no interest in watching
them go to the Hamptons all summer.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I just I just don't care. Well, I think that's
where the narcissist thing comes in, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, like it is a strange thing to do. I mean,
unless again, I haven't seen much of it. I've only
seen that trailer, But like I wonder if they're going
to go into his experience, you know, so that you
said they started filming the TV show right before the
trial was most to begin, right, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Remember they were only in court for a week or
two and then it went away magically. Yeah, the prosecution did.
They like fucked up really bad and forgot to disclose
a crucial piece of information and then the whole entire
case got dismissed. So yeah, I am interested. Cloded if
they're also going to go you know, through his I'm
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sure they are, because I'm sure that's intent. That's the
intention of the show is to go through what he's experiencing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
But I'm wondering, you know what if.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
This went the other way and he ended up going
to jail and they filmed.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
This entire show.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's what I was just thinking as well, Like what
would they do with that, Like would be interesting to
see her life, you know, with her husband behind bars?
Were they going to kind of turn it into a
documentary style thing? About him. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well that's what's weird to me, because if one of
those signs of PTSD is avoidance, he certainly isn't avoiding
it at all, not even a little bit, right. I mean,
he did that crazy Remember he did that interview where
he was just talking all about himself kind of It
was really it was really self centered and just crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It is weird, Like you just don't have to do interviews.
If you just quietly step back for a little bit,
people would be willing to forgive you and kind of
move on from it. But when you're just constantly putting
yourself in the limelight about it and talking about all
the time, and now you have an entire reality show
you're going to be covering your side of it, it
just seems.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Really out of touch. So other symptoms that you could
see with PTSD are alterations and cognition and mood, so
not being able to remember certain aspects or even the
entire event, just completely blocking it out, negative thoughts about
one's feeling and one's self. So they were saying in
this show that he was saying that he was saying,
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why couldn't it have been me? And that I mean,
that's a normal reaction. If something like this were to
occur and then finally just these having the abnormal reactions
to things like angry outbursts and stuff over, then you
normally would so you could get help with this, just
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taking medications and stuff. I'm sure. I mean, luckily he's
well off and he could get the best doctors to
help him through this. But you can't help but just
feel terrible for Like I just don't feel bad for them.
This kid lost his mother. You know, do you think
he's using this as a form of exposure therapy, Like
he thinks that constantly talk I just recently read a
(11:41):
book about therapy.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Know, sometimes constantly bringing something back up and up and
up can never help you heal from it and actually
makes the wound so much deeper than if you just
kind of like accepted it happened in the moment, did
some minor grieving about it, and then try to go
on with your life. But I feel like people could
argue that him just constantly wanting to talk about it
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is his way of trying to heal, But it seems
like he's not in a good place. He said in
the show that he's happier asleep than awake, which is
concerning considering he's a father of eight people, and he's
a husband, and you, I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Know, these people don't live normal lives. Come on, you
think they take care of their eight kids?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
They only have two nannies?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Okay, oh my god, I love them.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
It's so claude. I'm interested in Ireland that this wasn't
a big story, is he is? He kind of not
even a big deal over there, Like nobody really cared
about it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Not really nobody, like nobody really you know, it just
was a big story because it was what it was
was somebody got shot on set, and you know, people
were wondering after in the direct aftermath, I suppose, like
everyone else was, you know, what happened? Why did he do?
Speaker 4 (12:57):
What?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Was it on purpose? Was it somebody's fault? Was going loaded?
You know, all the kind of questions everyone else had.
But then it just kind of fled out the news,
like you would never really make news here for doing
anything anyway. So it was just because he was this
crazy thing had happened that it sort of came into
the headlines. And now because of that, anytime anything to
do with is sort of happens, it will come up.
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But I don't see his new reality show making headlines
over here. I must have been watching something on an
American channel when I seen that that trailer, because it
definitely wouldn't be on Irish TV.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well you're lucky. Okay, let's get into freak accidents and
talk about this one, because this one's outrageous.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
All right. In Ireland on Friday, police were shocked when
they got a call that partial human remains were found
in the school yard. They get there, there's a human
hand laying in the yard. Of course, they're trying to
figure out how it got there, and they're going through
CCTV and they see that a bird carried it and
dropped it in the yard. So you have some more backstory.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
On this, Klota, I've.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Been a little bit of backstory on it. So yeah,
when they happened. So this happened probably like thirty minutes
from where I live. But the reason it was I
supposed of interest. Obviously, it's a bizarre thing to happen.
When the news came into the news desk, we were
just ready to record a podcast and one of the
edgeitles was like, oh, let me just you know, read
the story to me and we were brote like what, like,
how did that? Where did it come from? My first
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thought was, oh, you know, an animal must have found
a body. And I'm trying to think, is there any
missing people around there? Like, but I suppose a lot
of people would have thought so. In twenty twenty, they
started twenty twenty there was a guy driving down the
road in a dark car and he threw a sports
bag out the window, and a guy went and checked
in the sports bag and he found some human remains
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with a pair of flip flops. And this was like
five minutes from where the incident with the hand of
the school was. So then a couple of days later
there was hands and feet belonged to the same body
found in a car burned out, and like a few
months later, the tour though was found. But all these
different dismembered body parts belong to a teenager who had
been reported missing, and it was all to do with
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a drugs gang. He had, you know, crossed one of
the leaders of the mob. And everyone was sort of thinking,
oh my god, it's another dismembered hand like in the
same area. Is this something to do with this again?
But then, of course we find out that it was
a twelve year old apparently with a gas canister, and
that's what happened. But there hasn't been much more reported
on whether or not they've confirmed the hand belongs to
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the twelve year old Bush. There was questions around whether
or not this was a copycat incident of what happened before.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, you guys got a lot of body part news.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Right, You're like, oh, is this just another body part? Yeah?
So when they there, what they'll do is they'll bring
the hand to the medical Examiner's office or forensic pathologists
and they're gonna do DNA testing to see if they
could figure out that way. But another thing they're gonna
do is kind of a mini autopsy on it. They're
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gonna look at it like an external exam. They're gonna
look at it and see if they could figure out
what happened because that could help narrow down who it
belongs to. So first they'll look at the margin, that's
the area where it was removed from the body, and
they'll see if there was any signs that the person
was still alive when their hand was removed. So they'll
look for hemorrhage, and then they'll also look at the
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edge to see was it torn off of a person?
Was it cut with a sharp instrument off of a person?
So they're going to look for all sorts of different
things like that. It's possible that the hand could be
partially decomposed, although it can't be that decomposed because it
still seems like it was together as a hand. And
they also can X ray it and they could see
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that's one of the ways. I mean, obviously, if you
look at a hand, you could tell it's from a
little kid, but you could do X rays and look
at the bones to see if you could estimate the
age of the person as well.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, that's really interesting that they could determine that that way.
I think it's good that it seems like the school
was on a break, so none of the kids were
in the area. Could you imagine being a little kid.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, and there's the bird drops a hand from the sky,
Like I can't imagine there's too many people gone around
missing their hand. So I would assume that they were
able to kind of narrow it down pretty easily. Well,
I don't know, because near you it seems like so
they'll they'll also determine if the hands a left or
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right hand. That's an easy one to So this kid,
you were saying he was playing with a gas can
and there was an explosion. Yeah, that seems to what happened.
I think the night before, the Thursday evening there had
been he was something happened with a gas canister and
it exploded. I don't know what exactly he was supposed
to have been doing with it, and the hand, obviously,
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I assume blew off. I assume he went to A
and E or something like that with you know, missing
his hand, and whether they couldn't find it, and a
bird just sort of I suppose. I don't know if
the projection of a gas canister would have blown the
hand away, I suppose, and maybe it landed somewhere that
a bird was able to get at it and that
was how it got there. But I'm sure there'll be more.
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There would definitely be follow up because it's one of
those bizarre little stories that happens here every night.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And then, yeah, can you imagine if they didn't have
the surveillance footage to see that the bird had dropped
it there and trying to piece together how exactly it
got from point A to point B.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I actually have a similar story to hopefullieve it
or not. So when I was rotating at the Medical
Examiner's office, one of the investigators so this is like
a story told by me and now I'm retelling it.
But one of the investigators told me that they were
on the scene once of there was a person that
got hit by a train, right, and then a week
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later there were some kids that were walking home from
school along a train track and a kid found a
human nose. But at the time they didn't they didn't
put two and two together that it had anything to
do with the train accident. So they get a call
at the Medical Examiner's office like, Hi, a child just
found a human knows we need to investigate this, And
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then they were able to determine that it came from
the person that was hit by the train. But how
knots is that? Wow?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, that's horrible. Imagine like being that young and finding
something like that.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I'd be stoked. I feel like, I feel like, look
what I found.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, I feel like my brain could not even register
it was the human body part. I'd just be like, no,
it must be some Halloween thing or something.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
There's no, it's like that's the way everyone's I was like, oh,
I thought it was a monnequin, and it never is.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
There was that case we talked about.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Was it there was the sex doll on the beach
that somebody thought was a real person.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, do you know about this?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
No, there was one of those, and never remember. We
were like googling sex dolls and it was in our
weeks afterwards.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well yeah, and guess what, it's still there. And my
kids were looking through Amazon the other day and Luca
was like, well, that's because it says like things you
might like. And I was like, what, I look at
it and I was like, oh, don't ask lich.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, I used to work for eBay and I
remember we got to call from a guy one time
and he was, you know, because obviously Google ads they
are what you are looking up whatever I remember he
was doing. He's like, every time I'm on your website,
I'm getting ads for poorn. This is just pulling websites.
And we had to try and explain to him the
Google ads are based on his searchesters.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's great, this is awesome. All right, let's move on
to this next case. In Australia, a ten year old
boy was making a grilled cheese. This story bothers me
because I could totally see this happening to me because
of such a klutz. So he's making this grilled cheese
in his kitchen. He trips and lands backwards on an
open dishwasher and there was a steak knife sticking up
in the bottom and he had stabbed in the spine.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Oh my god, yeah, this is this.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So the mom is putting out a warning saying, hey,
make sure when you put knives in the dishwasher don't
put them upward, which you were. You really have to
be careful with that and teach children. I like, one
part of me is just like, this is awesome that
a ten year old was making a grilled cheese. I
love that. Teach kids how to cook early. It's great,
(21:12):
But you have to teach everyone knife safety and it's
probably Honestly, the mom was probably the one that loaded
the dishwasher, although a child could have too, But I'm
kind of anti putting the knives in the dishwasher anyway,
Because I had a story once one of my followers
had submitted me a case of a similar thing that
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a knife had fell out of the dishwasher and like
stabbed her right in the foot. It was stuck in
her foot and she had to go to the hospital
with it, and that always freaked me out.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I always wonder about this because even though we cover
stories like this, and I know I'm such a klutz,
like I always wear like my sandals when I'm cooking,
or just know she was at all, and I'm like,
this is going to be a major situation one day. Well,
it's important to note that he's okay, but just barely.
It was only a millimeter different. So what do they
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do with the hospital when kids come in like this.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, the imaging is really crazy because they brought him
in with the knife still in his back and it
just missed his spinal cord by millimeters, they said, which
could have paralyzed him. Really, so they have to take
it out very carefully. Sometimes they'll do it under image guided.
They'll use some obviously, like they can't use an MRI
(22:26):
machine because of the metal, but they'll use they'll do
an image guided removal of it to make sure that
they're not hitting vital structures. Because you have to think
about if a knife is inside of a person. Sometimes
it could be either right near a blood vessel or
poking a blood vessel, and don't you definitely don't want
to pull it out of a blood vessel if it's
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plugging it up. So they have to really be careful
when they're pulling something like that out, which is why
when ems arrived and saw him in that condition, they
just bring him to the hospital with the knife still
in place.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, that was really quick thinking because I'd be straight
away like I think I would, right, you just go
to remove us and like those like really smart of
the mother to leave it in there.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No, it really was.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Oh, it is like it was real. It looks like
to me like yeah, like it looks like it got
stuck in the bone or something like it's deep in there.
It's it's a big knife too. If you see the imaging,
it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well there's a heartwarming element to the story too, because
apparently when he was in the hospital they were doing
these creative workshops and he learned that he had a
talent to do marionette puppeting.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Oh that's so cute.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Oh, he would have never known such a random thing
that of course, he would have never known because who
was interacting with puppets in the while true, at least
there is a good outcome.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
To this, oh man.
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Speaker 3 (25:56):
Okay, what's next? Oh yeah, the true crime?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
So this this wasn't very far from us, right, like
only a couple hours. Yeah, it was in York, Pennsylvania County,
I think York County. So Saturday morning, this guy went
into a Pennsylvania hospital with a semi automatic pistol and
zip tize. So he headed to the ICU where one
of his loved ones had just been treated and ended
(26:23):
up dying. So not only did he shoot a couple
of people in the unit, as I guess his way
of not taking the death of his loved one well,
but he also took a couple of the hospital staff
members hostage.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
This is so scary if you work in a hospital, really,
and yeah, it seems like the guy was one of
they just keep saying in the article his loved one died.
I heard today from one of my friends that it
possibly could have been a fiance or something, but apparently
this person had a terminal illness and he couldn't accept
(26:58):
it and he believed that the people at the ICU
were responsible for this person's death.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It's just really horrible. You know, you want to think
a hospital is a really safe place, and then I guess,
you know, I'd ever think of doctors and nurses being targeted,
because we often talk about how judges and lawyers are,
you know, targeted quite often, But you don't think about
someone dying and their loved one trying to come back
and kill you because of something like this.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I guess.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
What's scary is that they took this guy went in
and took these people hostage. He went in at ten
thirty in the morning and he wasn't killed until about
eleven fifteen, So that was almost forty minutes of hell
(27:50):
for these people. He went in and he zip tied
up a nurse, He shot a doctor, he shot a nurse,
he killed a police officer. The police tried to go
back and help, and he was holding people hostage, shooting
guns at the police and everything, and they weren't able to.
When they encountered them again, they shot and killed them.
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Thank God. Imagine being a patient in the hospital while
this was going on and you're in a bed, especially
especially if you're in the ICU, you're really really sick,
and think about hearing this on the news and your
family being there or patients, I mean ten thirty in
the afternoon, there were probably families there visiting. Just such
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a scary situation.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So traumatizing as well for them, like not only to obviously,
like you said, if you're in ICU, it's something wrong
and your family here is by, you know, surely they're
going to be panicking about you as well, and even
comite the other side of that. It's got to be
pretty traumatic.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, First, before I guess they released the motive and
the connection to the of one being there, I didn't
know if it was going to turn into some like
you know Luigi situation where like something happened and he
was protesting against the hospital.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So when I first.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Saw the story broke, that was always a concerning element
because you know, we're having this big argument of do
you take the law in your hands because you don't
like how something's going down basically, But I guess this
is just, you know, a component of having a loved
one that's ill that people don't understand, and not everybody
appreciates the effort of the hospital staff.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Cloda probably has no idea what you're even talking about
because they don't even have You guys don't even have
health insurance right.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well, we we have what's called the HSE, which is
basically free. It's very very cheap.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It's cheap. I just want to know so we could
hear it, because when I tell you what we pay,
you're not gonna believe it.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So like, you can't have private health insurance if you
want to go to a private hospital or like you know,
get up the wait and lists to see consultants and
things like that and get private rooms or whatever. But
like it, I think it's like, well, for I know
in America that like you have to pay for every
single thing to do with childbirth, like you skin to
skin contact, fifty dollars please, all that sort of thing.
(30:08):
But for here, it's basically free maternity care all through
your pregnancy, giving birth, all that sort of stuff absolutely free.
Like a stay in hospital is like eighty euro a
night and that's capped at like ten nights in a year,
so you know, if you spent eleven nights, you only
pay for the ten and that includes like MRIs X rays,
blood tests, everything is sort of included. And the same
(30:29):
like if I go to the doctor and he gives
me a note to go to the an E and
I have to get let an MRI or whatever it
might be, like all of that is covered free as
part of you know, well it's seventy quid or whatever
to go to the doctor, but that letter gets me
whatever I might need at the hospital for free, and
you do not pay per month for that. No, so
if you want to have private health insurance. You can
(30:51):
some people get it because you know, like I said,
you kind of get into hospit into private hospitals. So
you go to a hospital, get a private room, things
like that. You might get seen quicker by consultants, and
that can be like maybe two hundred three hundred euro
own month, depending on how many people in the family
you want on the plan or how like you know,
thorough and how much coverage you have in the plan.
How much does it do you guys have to be.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean, my health insurance for me and my husband
is nine hundred dollars a month and then what and
then it barely covers anything. I just got an MRI
and it was another nine hundred dollars. Oh my god,
they only covered a percentage of it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
See mine is my husband pays through his work, so
he pays almost two thousand dollars and a month and
his employer pays the difference. So it's wregage what I know,
it's yeah, it's outrageous, I know. And then on top
of that, I mean, ours is pretty good though, because
once we go like when we go pick up medicine,
(31:48):
it's only five dollars and the doctor's appointment might be
ten dollars or something, which is cheap for us, so
mostly everything's covered. But yeah, that's so, but you've so
you've heard about this. Did you even hear about this
case with this guy that killed the healthcare executive?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Oh? Yes, So that was a very interesting case to us.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
But like, like it's interesting that you guys even like
like care about it. You know, I think I think
we're so fucked up over here.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, well, just because we know how expensive things are
in the States, Like even if you're here and you're unwelfare,
like you get you get a medical card which covers
everything for free, or a doctor's visit card, and then
like our prescriptions and stuff are like capped per month
for the family and things like that, so there is
things that make it cheaper. Like I don't personally buy
insurance because I'm like, ah, there's no point, It's just
cheaper for me to actually just go public and pay
(32:39):
when I need it. But when Luigi, like when that
story broke, like it was just so interesting when we
found out the motive behind it, because obviously I was
actually in the States when he was caught, and I
remember when I was there. I was like, oh, maybe
he's like around here somewhere, like you'd never know. But no,
we've been following that story at least I have with
(32:59):
the great and enthusiasm. I'm very interested to see how
his trial plays out, and I've been thoroughly enjoying the memes.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, I really don't think in America they can get
a jury that's gonna be fair, because every single person
in some way has been affected by the healthcare system here.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Doude, let me tell you so, my little my youngest
has medical issues. She has a chronic bone disease, and
her doctor called me yesterday and said they want to
put her on a new medicine. She's this doctor told
me that, She's like, it's gonna take a couple of
weeks to see if the insurance will approve it, So
(33:37):
just keep taking the other one until you get approved.
Like I just have to wait weeks for them to
even tell me if if I could get it or not.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
It's so outrageous, that is, like, it is just insane
how it works in the States. Like, obviously I don't
have first sound experience saving there, but from what I've
seen on television and stuff, like that. People get jobs
purely so they'll have you know, insurance, which is just
you know, should be a basic human right that people
have access to, or not even insurance, but medical care.
(34:07):
Like it's just bizarre.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I actually only went to college to get health insurance
for my kid. That's why I started college because I
wasn't going to be covered under my mom because you
get kicked well, now you get kicked off when you're
what twenty six, yeah, twenty six, But when I was,
when I was a teenager, it was you got kicked
off when you were eighteen. That's what before that law
(34:31):
came into place, and I thought, okay, well what I
have to get health insurance for me and my kid.
That's the only how am I going to get a job.
I need to get a job that has health insurance.
Like that's a that was a motivating factor for me.
It's crazy, that is yeah, that is crazy. Okay, let's
get onto some medical news.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
In India, this twenty six year old man was experiencing
symptoms including a persistent cough, sudden weight loss, and insomnia. Initially,
he was diagnosed with a lung infection, but doctors did
more testing and what did they find.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
So they did a CT scan and they saw that
he had this. They said they had a lower lung infection,
and at some point they discovered that there was a
lump like area in the lung. So I don't know
what forced them to do surgery because it looks like
that might not have been seen until after they did
some kind of surgery. But regardless, he had some kind
(35:27):
of a lump and when they cut it open, they
found what appeared to be a plastic pen cap. So
what's wild about this is they asked his family if
he has followed anything, and his brother said, I don't
think recently, but he's followed a pen cap like twenty
years ago when he was five.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
He's twenty six now.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Yeah, So they brought him to the hospital. The parents
brought him to the hospital and they couldn't find anything
in his stomach. And they said, Okay, well, I guess
I guess he passed it. Can't we can't find it.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I mean, just how how does it stay in that
long without not showing any problems?
Speaker 3 (36:05):
For twenty years he's had the guys had chronic cough,
unexplained weight loss in some he's been having symptoms the
chronic cough is is definitely for sure. So it's just
like any other thing that we talk about, IUDs or
any kind of foreign object that you put in breast implants,
like your body is just like I don't like this,
and I'm going to build a wall around it. Some
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people can have foreign objects embedded in their body forever
and never have problems, and then other people have problems.
Obviously you're going to have problems if you have a
foreign object in your lung for all that time. So
he probably formed what's called a granuloma around this thing,
this pen cap, and it's you know, the body's way
of walling off this thing that doesn't it doesn't want
(36:50):
to be there, you know. So they were able to
take it out and hopefully the guy probably won't have
any issues anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
So I gues he, yes, I'm confused, like how did
he was it in his lung? Or yes, I guess
that's what's confused me.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
It went it okay. So when they thought he swallowed
this this pen cap, he didn't swallow it. He aspirated it.
It went inside of his lung at the time, so
it got stuck so far deep inside of his lung
that's what that's what happened. It never was in his
GI track which listen from a perspective, a medical perspective.
(37:31):
If you know that a child ingested a foreign body
and you don't see it, you need to start thinking
about things like that. I'm not sure why they didn't
do any additional work up. I mean it was twenty
years ago. I don't know what hospital. This wasn't in America, right, No,
it was in India. Yeah, so I don't know what
(37:51):
their protocols are. I would think though that in twenty
twenty five, if you brought in a kid and said
they swallowed this and they didn't see it, they would
do they're testing to see if it was somewhere else,
because just doing something like an X ray that something
like that might not show up because it's not metal.
It might it might show up. I'm just not really sure.
(38:14):
But but yeah, this is this is kind of a
crazy case. It's a cool story now, but imagine having
a cough you're you're like your entire adult life, and
then just be finding out that this is what it
was from.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I mean, have you ever breathed like food in by accident?
It's the worst feeling.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Ever, Yeah, can you imagine an entire pen cap? I
was actually gonna ask, because you definitely know this is
this like a myth, like you know, like one of
those Marilon Manson took out his raves myth? Or do
pancaffs have like little holes on the tops to stop
you from like if you breathe it in to keep
you breathing.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
You know that that's an issue I've never I've never
heard of that, but that actually makes sense.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, if any pen cap is like I'm just looking
right at mine, they've all got like a little in
the top, and I was told it was just to
make sure that you can still breathe if you accidently.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
So it's probably possible because so many people put them
in their mouth, and this is not the first person
that's in how a pen cap, So there might be
there might have been a lawsuit at some point. But
you have to have the cap on because it keeps
the ink dry, So that might have been the compromise
that these companies came to. But you are right. I'm
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thinking about the different types of pens that I use,
and they all have some form of a small little
hole at the top of them. So it probably you're
probably right with that.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Have you ever been to Philly? Yes? Have you been
to the moodor Museum?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
No? So we have this like medical oddities museum here,
but they have drawers of stuff people swallowed, and most
notably it's like, you know, embroidery needles, hair pins.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
And bobby pins are and I put a bobby pin
in my mouth every single day and I think about
it like I'm extra careful because I put it in
to split it with my teeth.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Of course, that's fascinating though.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
It's cool. Yeah, they just have these drawers that you
pull out and you could look at all of them,
and a lot of them are from from one hundred
years ago. So it's just cool that you could see that.
Like people don't use hair pins anymore like that, you know,
So it's really it's cool.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
I hope stories like this help our listeners double you know,
triple think when they're doing something, because I'm always like
sticking embroidery needles in my mouth and I'm like, in particular,
a couple of weeks ago when my husband was driving
and I'm like, you know, if he stops quickly, this
is gonna be a serious problem.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So I really have to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I keep saying it so often. I have to get
out of the habit of doing it. But it's difficult.
All right, let's talk about our last story. So a
new study has come out to say that scented wax
melts can cause the same level of pollution in the
air as diesel engines.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Do you guys, So what's the culture over there in Ireland? Like,
are you using candles a lot to make your hairuse
smell good?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yes, I'm a big candle over tea lights, scented candles,
wax melts, everything all the time everywhere, big fun of them.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Well you're gonna die now, grace. So's it seems like
that they created these wax melts because they thought originally
it would be less pollution than burning a flame, a
typical flame candle. But in the process they put more
fragrance to make it stronger when you melt them, and
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then that is putting these particles into the air that
are not Apparently they're thinking that they're not safe for
us to be breathing in. They don't have exact studies,
but some other things that put off particles similar to
this have caused cardiac issues and respiratory issues, so they're
going to be doing more studies on it, saying that
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even after something as little as twenty minutes of exposure
can cause a person to be having problems. And god,
it's so scary because this isn't just for the wax melts.
But it's like those plugin You ever see those things,
those plug in oil things that what do they call
that batho and body Works or whatever or Yankee has them.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, they're just scented. Can They're just like sented.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, but they're also saying, like the aromatherapy oils, like
all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
This sucks because I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
This just sucks, you know what. This is why I
chose the story this week because this sucks.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
When you picked the.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Stories yesterday and I first started reading it, I was like,
on Sunday alone, I know, I burnt a candle for
probably eleven hours straight and I was sitting in the
room most of the time. So like this, this is great.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
I've a sentence candle on my desk burning at all
times or sometimes too. Yeah, I just love my candles.
That's really sad. Night. My mom doesn't burn candles because
She's like, no, the's really bad for your lungs. And
I was like, you're crazy, No they're not, it's not.
But now I can see that she was right.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yes, the worst to tell your mom that, are right?
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Right?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I know?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
I mean i'd say.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
No, it really is like, first of all, can we
not have anything like? You know, nothing sets the mood
better than a nice candle. You wake up, it's a
nice sunny, seventy degree day. You're gonna light a nice
anthropology candle and just like a really good day. I
don't know, this really sucks. I hope, you know. I
guess it's too late for me because I'm addicted, so
(43:25):
I'm not going back.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
At this point.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But I don't know. After reading this article, I feel
like candles are this are are the safer alternative at
this point. I just bought a humidifier and it came
with these aromatherapy drops that you could put in it,
and you put it on at night and you're like, oh,
this is like a SPA experience. It smells so good,
and I'm just like, yeah, cool, that's great. It's things
(43:50):
like that.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
So this article was saying that the scented wax melts
were marketed as offering less.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Pollution than candles.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
But do they have any.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Responsibility now because this is deemed false average, Yes.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
This is like every single thing that ever occurred in
the world. Like I'll give you two examples. Number one,
when I was a little kid, we used to use
paper bags at the grocery store all the time, and
then all of a sudden, they were like, this isn't good.
We're gonna start using plastic bags. They're better. We don't
want to cut down so many trees for these bags.
And now look where we're at with Okay, example number
(44:26):
two percocets and opioids. I mean, like, let's just go
down the list of things that were supposed to be
good that that are Oh, now they're not good. They
were this alternative. Yeah, what else? Like well, cloda.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
We live in New Jersey, and a couple of years
ago they put this ban on plastic bags, so like
if you go to the store or anything, you have
to bring your own bags or you have to buy
these reusable ones. And then now that it's been in
effect for a couple of years, studies have come out
that the new reusable bags are three times worse for
the environment than the plastic bags. And you know, there's
(45:00):
like issues with the manufacturing overseas and everything like that,
so like not only are they bad for the environment,
but they cost more money. They're causing all these other issues.
So now I heard they're reversing the band soon.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
See it's rare to actually go into a shop here
and get a plastic bag. I think we might have
been one of the first countries to introduce like a levy,
so you have to pay like fifteen cent for a
plastic bag or bring your owns. Then people started getting
reusual bags. But now they've phased out plastic bags. It's
only if you go to like a shop in the
middle of nowhere, but they don't have you know, the
(45:33):
paper bags. But it's mostly plastic here too. But I
do you know what the annoying thing is, every time
I go somewhere, I'm like, I forgot my bags and
I have to buy another reusable bags, and I have
just so many. It's just every time it happens, forget
to bring them so now, which doesn't make sense because
then you have to rebuy.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
A thicker plastic right. Yes, when I was in California,
they would charge the ten or fifteen cents for the bag,
and I'm like, okay, I'll buy it, and then you know,
I have it, and I do reuse them. I will
bring my lunch in them. I use them as trash
bags things like that. But then you're buying this totally
useless bag. Half of them ripped after the first sheets.
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So this is why they're causing such more damage.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
And you feel bad if you're using it as a
bit buy because you're like, oh no, it's actually a
bit decent. I could use this for something else.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, yeah, like I don't. I You're right, I feel
guilty using one of those bags just to get litter,
put the cat litter in. You know, I'm like, this
is too good for cat litter. But then I seriously
have in my basement. They should they should have a
program where you can bring them back, maybe because I
have hundreds of them. It's outrageous, No.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
It really is. And then off of your point of
like oxy cotton then stuff. You know that when we
were talking about a couple of weeks ago, that new
drug they've made that they claim is non addictive, Like
that's what they also said about OxyS. So let's wait
a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
This is my fear with drugs like ozempic and stuff
like that, because you just you just here about like,
all there's this new thing that's supposed to be that
it's supposed to solve all our problems, and we know
how that goes down. No, totally every single time. All right, Clota,
So what are you got going on over there? Like,
tell us, tell us, tell us what's going on in
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Ireland that we need to know about?
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Well, body parts everywhere all the time, you know, just
a bit of everything. I I I don't know. Sorry,
I don't really have any more news on that front.
And No, every time something bizarre happens that I'm like,
oh that's very mother nose death, I send it to Maria.
(47:41):
So you guys are kept well informed.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Did you guys cover the Connorm Orgregor case?
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
So I covered the trial so I was there in
the courtroom every day.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Wow. Yeah, that was like a huge, That was a huge.
Does he live there?
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Does he lives here? He lives in Cldair, which is
another county over and he was in court every day.
I think he's back in court next week. There's you know,
he had to give a sworn AFFI David to the
judge to say that he had gotten rid of the
CCTV footage that was as part of the trial because
he was threatening to or at least one of his
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business colleagues was threatening to use the CCTV footage as
part of a promotion in Italy for his drinks deal
for his drinks brand. Sorry, so he might have to
come before the judge and swear and tell him exactly
what he did with it, because you know, the judge
said that his explanation for what he did with the
copies of the CCTV wasn't sort of robust enough. So
(48:42):
it looks like he's going back to court for that,
and of course he is. You know, there's been numerous
accusations made in the States, and they seem to be
kind of settled and dropped. But there is one that
seems to be sticking, right the one in New York,
the Wall Street banker.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I haven't been keeping tabs as much on those cases,
but I know there's there's definitely other incidents than the
one he was just on trial for.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:10):
Wait, so this is like sexual assault cases you're talking about? Yeah,
so there's more than the one that you just did.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:19):
Remember I was telling you, like when we were just
covering the other one, that I didn't even know about
that case because I was I thought it was another
one that just happened more recently.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
So, oh, that was the one that happened in Miami
or something, or where it happened.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Oh yeah, I think what wasn't Miami. I think I
know the woman, The woman who's suing him was a
Wall Street banker, I believe, or at least she worked
in some sort of high part exac in Wall Streets,
and I think that was in Miami. I think he
assaulted or was allegedly assaulted the mascot for the team.
Oh yeah, mascat.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
And then sorry, I'm unprepared on this topic, but I
feel was the one that you guys just covered. Was
that the one where he went in the bathroom with
the woman was.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
The same.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, that's the Miami one. The Miami one. The one
that was in Dublin was uh, it was an incident
that happened in a hotel in Dublin.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yes, yes, yeah, I knew about the one at the
basketball game and what happened there. But isn't he wasn't
he alleged to have assaulted two women there, the mascot
and then another woman in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, so I think that's the that's the Wall Street woman.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yes, okay, so yeah there.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
I mean this, he's so outrageous that we're talking about this.
That's like everybody's just kind of like, oh, yeah, we
assault he assaulted this one and assaulted this one. Like
why is this still happening?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Well, I mean these are people that have spoken out too,
So I mean I doubt it happens one time and
then it goes to trial. I don't want to like
say anything for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if
even more people.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Came forward over time.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I mean you have to think about it, like he
must have this is my opinion. He must have set
in some capacity. I mean, have you seen the fights
he's gotten into.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
It's just not ct oh chronic traumatic encephalopathy. It's due
to multiple blows to the head that causes your brain
shrinkage over time, and.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
It's a it's a big problem over here because it
happens to a lot of football.
Speaker 1 (51:28):
Is this like the Phineas Gage sort of thing where
he you know, was hitting the head with the bot
and his brain chemistry changed because of the injury, like
you become more aggressive and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
I thought, Right, So we cover it a lot over
here because it happens in a lot of football players.
We just had a case last week talking about a
professional hockey player that had been diagnosed with it after
he died, and there was a wrestler that killed his
whole family and hot. Yeah, so it's it's a pretty
big topic over here, I guess because just sports. I
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don't know, you guys probably have it in regular football
when I'm talking about football, I mean American football, but
you guys probably have it in some capacity with soccer
as we go.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
But I don't know, probably soccer, rugby. I don't know
if you have rugby in the US, which I don't
really know any of the right sports, but to me,
rugby looks like American football kind of similar.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
Okay, yeah, And I have no idea, like I just
know that they like look cute in their you know, yes.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Like we have on our American football team a guy
that used to play rugby. I believe in New Zealand
there's they like drafted him because it's similar enough.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
That he was able to switch over. Do you think
there are helmets in American football?
Speaker 2 (52:44):
They do, but it's you know, it's barely protection and
you have like a two hundred and fifty pound man
tackling another one to the ground and it's just aggressive.
But I wouldn't be surprised if in some capacity these
MMA fighters have huge issues.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
With it too. They do. It started actually, this used
to be called dementia pugilistica, which is named after boxers.
So it was called punk punch drunk. Have you ever
heard of that? Yeah, so it originated with boxers back
in the day. That's when they first started seeing these
changes in the brain and people that were getting repetitive
(53:21):
head trauma. And so he's a candidate for sure, but like,
who cares if he has that or not, Like, it
still doesn't excuse him from I'm not saying you can't
just go rape and everyone like, you just can't do
that regardless. It's just about to quote I was I
was trying to quote Antoine.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
No, it's certainly not an excuse, but you have to think,
you know, these these incidents, let's say, are more common
in people that are in these professions or constantly getting
hit in the head. So I don't know all right,
well to tell everybody, tell everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
So I am the assistant producer of Crime World podcast.
Sometimes I host episodes, sometimes a report like I said,
I reported on the economic Gregor trial. We usually cover
mostly Irish crime, lots of ganglang crime here in Ireland
is believed or not. And yeah, I'm on social media
Akoda dot Meni on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Awesome, thank you so much for coming on this.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Thanks, we hope to see you soon.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
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I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
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