November 23, 2025 • 49 mins
Looking for interesting, unusual, and morbid topics for the Thanksgiving table this year? Check out this throwback episode with stories covering topics from common cooking accidents to tales of dismemberment, cannibalism, and eating injuries. Enjoy!
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have a special
Thanksgiving episode for you today, talking about the most common
things that we would see at Thanksgiving time that have
to do with of course eating and also relationship disputes.
So let's get into Let's get into cooking injuries at first.
All right, yeah, let's start off with a bunch of
(00:42):
cooking injuries. This is going to be, you know, the
most common thing we see this time of year. So first,
let's start off talking about a pressure cooker. This is
something that the both of us heavily use a lot.
I mean I feel like I use it for almost
every single dinner. Really, you use it that often? Yeah,
I really cook so much stuff in there. I use
it sometimes. I think it's really cool. I just started
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using it when you told me to get it, actually
a couple of years ago, and it is.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It is really awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But what happens is with for those of you who've
never used a pressure cooker, it just you put your
food in there and it cooks it and accelerates the
boiling point basically to cook your food faster than it
normally could on a stove, but when it's under pressure
like that, it can be a serious safety hazard. So
even if you've bought one of these modern instapots at
(01:33):
you know, Target or whatever, there's one thousand warning labels
all over it, and you know, the.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
History of them kind of can scare the shit out.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Of you if you really know what could happen like
it did in this particular case we have in the
gross room.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I mean there used to be I feel like a
lot of issues with it when they first were like
popping off, and you know, I guess they started coming
out in what the seventies, probably in the eighties, but
they were having a lot of problems and then all
of the us sudden, the insta pot comes out and
like it's this like new modern machine for millennials, right.
I think they came back because they put all these
(02:08):
crazy safety mechanisms on it to prevent them from blowing off,
but they still tell you that there's a possibility of
doing it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So in this case, this woman was in her thirties,
she was using the instipot. I guess she was, or
I don't know, was the fancy pot specific or just
a pressure cooker.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It just set a pressure cooker.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay, So she's using a pressure cooker and she's standing
in front of it, and all of a sudden, the
lid blows off of it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
The thing tips over.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
If you've ever used one of these things, they caused
this crazy amount of steam that comes out. Again, there's
a million warnings all over these things that are like,
don't stand near when it's releasing steam.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Obviously, she didn't know the.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Lid was gonna blow off of it, so it tips over,
and then it's like pushing all of that excess steam
and boiling hot liquid onto her and she immediately, you know,
her partner tried to get her in a cold shower
as quickly as possible. They brought her to urgent care,
but she had really bad burns from this. Yeah, she
had second degree burns over a large percentage of her
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body from both the steam and the liquid hot boiling
fluid that was in the pressure cooker. So just we're
just telling you, like we use them all the time,
but just be careful with them because they could really
hurt you. And like, think about this. The Boston Marathon
bombers used pressure cookers to really shrapnel, so it's like
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they have the potential to really harm you. So you
just have to follow. Think if you follow the directions
and stuff, you're gonna be cool.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I think the thing is like you want to buy
a good brand that has a good reputation of not
a lot of incidents happening, and you know there's labels
all over it that are like, when it's pressure cooking,
do not try to force the lid off for a
good reason. I don't know what happened in this case,
if it was a faulty machine or it wasn't being
used correctly, but we obviously don't want to end up
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in situations like this because they're horrible and these things
get really hot. One of my theories in medicine in general,
and this is just with medical devices as well as
just everyday things that people use that they get injured by,
I think that they're way underreported. So for example, if
this lady went to urging Care and said I got
burned and it wasn't her fault, it didn't seem like
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it was her fault or whatever it was, it still
should get reported to the company. Right, What are the
chances that they're getting the exact name brand of whatever
she was using and sending this report to the company
that she got injured by it, Like this probably happens
all the time. I say the same thing about like
iud's and stuff, all these things that I've seen people
(04:45):
having injuries from all the time, and I'm just like,
I wonder how many of these are actually reported to
the companies as complications from a medical issue or from
a product that was dysfunctioning.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I would assume also because of like you know, the
holidays and getting bombarded with a bunch of injuries. And
I'm assuming that most hospitals are understaffed on holidays because
a lot of regular personnel take off that they're not
really worried about making sure the company is getting the
report if something happens.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But I've never been on that end of it like
we have gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I know for a fact that we used to report
certain breast and plants that would rupture or something like that.
We had reporting systems to put in, but that was
only if they told us of a specific case. There
was also these devices they used to use back in
the day for birth control called ashore, which was they
put these coils into fallopian tubes and took it was
(05:41):
to cause scarring, so then you in theory you couldn't
get pregnant. And people were just having all sorts of
complications with them. So we would get them sent down
to the lab and they would tell us like, hey,
this is a lawsuitcase. Make sure that you really work
this one up and take lots of pictures and stuff.
But just on average everyday cases, that wasn't always the case. Yeah,
(06:02):
that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I never thought.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
About that, like when people have to sue the companies,
what happens on your guys end with that. Oh yeah,
it was pretty cool actually, Like we would get a
uterus from the surgery and we we had to do
it when we got the information from the lawyer's office.
They gave us very specific instructions how to cut the uterus,
and it was really crazy because it was not anywhere
(06:25):
near the normal way that we would cut it. And
then we had to submit all these different sections and
put it in all these different put this one informally,
make a paraffin block of this one, all this stuff,
just because it was a lawsuit, and that was the
most common one that I saw in surgical pathology was
from those assured devices, all right, And while we could
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get burned by something like a pressure cooker any day,
more specifically to Thanksgiving is deep friors for turkeys. Yeah,
they cause a lot of issues, so they became popular.
They haven't been used forever in this country, obviously, but
they became really popular probably when Martha Stewart put it
on the front cover of her magazine back in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, let's not blame Martha for this.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I'm not blaming Martha. I've never had it, and I
want to have it so bad. One of the firemen
makes it, and I'm going to try to go there
on Thanksgiving one day just to get to taste it
because I heard it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I'm not blaming her.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I'm just saying that a lot of people might have
became a hip to it because of Martha Stewart.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You're gonna leave.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The five star meal at my house to try to
get get a deep fried k Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Am, because it's said I heard it's delicious. So yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It seems like in the eighties this started, you know,
first happening when they were converting like crawfish boilers into
these turkey deep friars. And then of course this is
really appealing to a lot of people, especially Americans, because
you know, we all love best fried food over here,
so a lot of people do this. But I think
the problem is a lot of people don't know what
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they're doing. They're leaving these things unsupervised. They're like making
them way too hot, They're putting them really close to
their house. They're overall just this general fire hazard. They're
not wearing the correct clothing to be near it. Well,
I think the biggest thing that people don't realize is
that you can't stick a frozen turkey inside of it
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because that extra moisture just makes the oil boil over
more and just cause a potential issue. And we have
a story, actually a news story of a person like Luckily.
So what happened was they had the turkey fire that
was heated by propane and the oil, you know, because
they weren't cooking it properly or monitoring it, the oil
(08:41):
spilled over onto the pro pain tank, which then exploded. Luckily,
no one in the house got hurt, but it did
set their house on fire, which is which is terrible. Well,
what I want to say about that story is that
this happened at one o'clock in the morning, which I
do think a lot of people. Well, I don't know
why you would be deep frying a turkey overnight, because
(09:02):
I think the point of frying it is that it
cooks so quickly. Whereas you know, my husband sometimes will
like smoke something overnight, but he won't go to bed,
like he'll just stay up all night long and watch
it all night. But I think people just stick stuff
in the smoker or whatever and then just like go
to bed and then hope it's done in the morning,
which is so unsafe. But I don't know why this
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guy was deep frying at one o'clock in the morning,
but basically.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Wanted a snack.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Was it actually for Thanksgiving dinner or he was just
it was just like a random Tuesday, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, I think it was around Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I think it was Thanksgiving week, So I don't know
what he was doing cooking in the middle of the night.
But he set it all up, got it going, and
then went inside and fell asleep. And then when it's unsupervised,
this accident could have easily happened if.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
He was standing there.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But you might have like a fire extinguisher right next
to it and be able to put it out before
it blows all the windows out of the back of
your house.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It sets the back of your house on fire.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So well, they estimate that there are sixty injuries a
year because of deep fried turkeys and five deaths a
year because of it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
So, I mean, just got it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We know is linked to Yeah, like you just gotta
you gotta be careful with that.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But you know what, I was just thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know those delicious turkey legs that they have in
Disney World, Yeah, are they deep fried or what? Like?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
How are they know?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
They're probably smoked because they have a special taste to them.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
They are crispy. They're crispy, and that like's so greasy
where you technically like the leg is dark meat, so
it's going to be you know what I mean, that
meat seems to just.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Have like a greasier feel to it. I guess I don't.
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I know, you're not a dark person, I am. Yeah,
I don't really like the turkey legs that much, but
I know that's like fast if it really is. Yeah,
you know, I've thought about this a lot. I really
like the skin of turkey and like the like white
meat parts, but like I'm not a huge like I
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eat chicken, but I don't really like it that much.
Does that make sense if it has that gross chicken
eat taste too?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
No, I know, I feel the same exact way.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I feel like you have to eat chicken just because
it's it's like the healthiest lean protein, but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think it's gross.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And it's the same with Thanksgiving, Like I might have
a tiny little piece of turkey, but really all I
want is decide, you know, well, yeah, so like I
always have it, and I think the skin and the piece.
I think the piece I eat taste good, but I
don't ever want like a giant chunk of it. My
husband also makes a ham, which personally, I think is
like the best thing in the world. I would just
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eat the ham. I think that's yeah, to the ham
the most. Honestly, too, I feel like, over any meat,
I prefer pork over every single meat. Honestly, a turkey
is just big chicken to be just like really a
big lea cross. I don't know, and I don't know
why all of a sudden in the last ten years
(12:03):
they've like Turkey's just freely roam our area. We I
feel like we never saw them growing up just walking
around that name, never never once, And now there's like
straight up Thanksgiving turkeys like walking around up my street.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
They're just there and their thingies. What is that thing
that hangs off their gizzard things or that's it. I
don't think that's their gizzard. I don't know, but that
gross things. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's
just like I can't it's just really they're just nasty
looking and obviously they freely roam like the land before
because obviously people were hunting them. But that's like the
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establishment of their Thanksgiving meal. It's just weird that for
so for twenty years of my life, I never saw
one just wandering on a suburban street. And now they're
just everywhere anywhere you go. It's so bizarre. I don't, well,
so you're gonna find this hilarious. So I say to Gabelake, hey,
have you ever gone to any fires for deep fried turkey?
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And he said, yeah, my firehouse. And then I'm like,
you know what, I don't even want to know, but
you know what the most common injuries that er doctors
are seeing are from knives and people cutting themselves by accident. Well,
that doesn't surprise me because I think a lot of
people are drinking when they're cooking or preparing st Yeah,
that's probably the biggest thing. Also, I think a lot
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of people that don't normally cook are trying to take
this opportunity to learn how to cook, and they're just
doing things they don't know how to do.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
They're not educated with it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I think a lot of things that this is what
I learned, because believe it or not, you would say
working in anatomic pathology is kind of the most similar
job you could have to cooking without cooking, because you're
literally cutting.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Meat all day.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And I think one of a misnomer that people have,
especially students that I've seen, is that they think they're
like kind of frightened by really sharp knives. Which really
sharp knives are the best knives to use because you
have to put minimal effort in with your hand and
the blade does the cutting right. Yeah, if you have
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a knife that's dull and you're pushing really hard to
cut through the meat, that's where you're gonna have the
most chance of like slipping because meat has fat in it,
and you're you're talking about the turkey legs being greasy,
and if the blade will slip right off of it
and it'll hurt you really bad. So I think people
buy knives. I I might have been guilty of this
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prior to being a PA. But when I I bought
knives maybe two years ago, when I redid my kitchen,
and I sharpen them like every week. I sharpen them
because I want them to be as sharp as possible
when I cut things. So I don't know if people
do that, but you should because that's the safest thing
to do, is just to have a really sharp blade,
and it's easy. It's easy to do. Or you get
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that old school electric one like we have, and that
one's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's not old school.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Old school is the non electric one, like electric is
like new school. But yeah, that that electric one is
like an eighties thing. It's just you're talking about the
electric knife. I thought you met the sharpener. No, I'm
talking about like the like Clark Griswolds. Yeah, I got
that for you guys, actually, because a lot of people
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I remember, just being a kid in the eighties and
that was the thing, having an electric knife, and you
were laughing about it.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And then I got it for Ricky and he thinks
it's awesome. No, I mean all our.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Friends make fun of us for it, but it's really
the best thing ever. I mean, you'd use it to
cut me. It's we use it to cut the sour
dough because the sour dough is pretty hard to cut
through sometimes. Yeah, it cuts that really nice. So you
can really use it for anything. Yeah. No, I was
talking about just like sharpening the blades, because they sell
electric knife sharpeners, but they're kind of expensive. You could
just use the old school stone to do it, and
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most knives come with the sharpening tool, so it's definitely
something you should do. Okay, let's talk about some juicy
holiday murders.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, these are all family related.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So in New.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Mexico, this family was headed over to a loved one's
house for dinner. They were saying throughout the day everything
seemed like it was going normal. A husband and wife
was hosting the dinner. The wife had been texting via
a group chat with her family, talking about her plans
for the day. So later in the day, the husband's
family gets to the house and they're, you know, knocking
on the door. Nobody's answering. They're looking through the windows
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and the house seems empty, and they're like, what the hell,
Like we're here for dinner, and like nobody's answering the door.
And it was unusual because they did dinner there before
they were planning to go there. They couldn't get in
touch with either of them, so they called the police
and they were like, can you do a welfare check
or something. The police came and we're like, we can't
go in the house unless we get a warrant. I
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guess I don't know where maybe not enough time had
passed between people not talking to them. So the family
breaks into the house and as the sister is going through,
she goes into the bedroom and finds her brother laying
on the bed and his wife dismembered.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
On the bedroom floor.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, how outrageous, right, And I can't even imagine what
that could have been, Like, I mean, it kind of
sucks that the cops couldn't go in, but I guess
there's rules that they can't.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Just what would be the there's no cause to go in, right.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Just like, it looks like nobody's home, so they can't
just break into someone's house.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But her brother was here.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Was diagnosed with fronto temporal dementia, and that causes you
to have emotional changes. It's it's a rare type of dementia,
but it could it could cause people to become violent.
There's cases of like this that this person ended up
killing his wife and dismembering her and there was no
(17:56):
indication that they were even having relationship problems, and they
said that he was a pretty nice guy actually, So
this is just terrible that his brain was doing these
things that were causing him to carry out these actions.
It could cause people to have like weird social interactions
and difficulty making communication and stuff. So it's just a
(18:17):
really terrible diagnosis for a person to get. And the
whole thing is is just I mean, just terrible.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I mean, I feel like we've on this show, I've
never talked about a case of something like this with dementia.
I feel like it's typically schizophrenia related, right, Yeah, So
that was surprising to me that that wasn't the case.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And then I was trying to look this up.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So this happened two years ago, and I had read
in this initial article that the husband was arrested, and
I was trying to see what ended up happening to him,
and it appears he died two to three weeks after this. Yeah,
he had some kind of injuries. What did he die
from injuries or from complications from his dementia? All I
could find was his obituary, and it didn't really specify
(19:03):
because you know, yeah, some sas are like honest like that. Yeah,
so no, It's it's interesting because they did say that
he had some injuries because and that happens commonly when
a person kills someone with a knife, that they're going
to get injured in the process because people are obviously
fighting off the assaulant and trying to save their own life.
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So sometimes in that process that the person gets cut
with the knife, you know, So that makes total sense.
I don't know how bad his injuries were. I know
that he got hospitalized.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
They did. They said that they were going to charge
them though.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's just interesting because I wonder how that's handled because
like you were saying, like if it was diagnosable caizophrenia,
for example, that they would be considered not not to
be able to stand trial. Well, so I'm just wondering
in this particular case, if he had full blown dimension,
they were able to prove that these acts were carried
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out because of that, if he would really go to
jail for that, well, maybe they have to buy protocol,
arrest somebody at first, or detain them in some type
of way until they get legitimate proof that they have
a psychological condition happening, and then they'll discharge into like
a facility or something.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, I know that we've talked to forensic psychiatrists
before and they said that it's kind of difficult to
get someone off for something like that, but in this case,
I feel, yeah, it would be valid. Yeah, I mean
they said he had been diagnosed two years before that
with the dementias, So I'm assuming the family had a
documented history. But you probably have to get all that
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together before they could release somebody in that situation. So
there's another case of a Thanksgiving scuffle, I guess. So
in nineteen ninety one, this chick o Mamon Nelson, she
married this older guy. They were only married for about
a month before it turned deadly. Basically, she was saying
actually assaulting her and on Thanksgiving he had actually assaulted
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her and she had it, so then she was just
decided to start stabbing him with scissors and then she
finished him off with a clothing iron. And she said,
in a complete blind raid, she just started dismembering him
because I don't know, she.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Just wasn't with it.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Well, their relationship didn't start off great. I think she
was twenty three and he was like in his mid
he was fifty six, so and they got married like
two days after they met. So like, I don't know
what was happened in their relationship, but clearly it was
not good for her, and she did she did say
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that she cut him up, and it's so this is
like the disturbing parts that she caught up his body
parts and mixed them with turkey leftovers and put them
in the in the trash to try to to try
to conceal what she had done, and she shoved multiple
parts of his body down the garbage disposal, to which
neighbors can firm that she was running it for quote hours, right,
(22:03):
And I guess if you live in a building close
to someone, you could hear it like that. So that
was crazy. But she boiled his hands to remove his fingerprints.
But the most the craziest thing is that she admitted
to a psychiatrist that she quote did his ribs just
like a restaurant and said, it is so sweet. It's delicious,
I like mind tender. So she cooked his ribs and
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ate them. She also put his head in the freezer,
which they found later. She said she was figuring out
what to do with it that won't fit down the drain.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I suppose no.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And imagine being the police officer that has to go
to the scene and finds his stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
We talk about at least one story. Well it's even
the one we just talked about. Like, imagine standing there
and getting a phone call on Thanksgiving. So all right,
you're a first responder and you're already working on the holiday,
which sucks. You get a call that says, oh, we
were supposed to go here for Thanksgiving and nobody's here.
And they show up and the house is all dark.
They're like holding side items and bottles of wine in
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their hand, right, and just like, hey, could you check?
And then it all of a sudden turns to the
sister finding her brother like that and her sister in
law like that. I mean that's a lot for a
cop to see too, especially any person that's dismembered all
over the floor is disturbing as hell. And then this
is like, yeah, doing this investigation, imagine the psychiatrist talking
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to this woman who's talking about eating a human's ribs.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I cannot imagine that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So so I understand that she was mad and upset
that she got sexually assaulted, but I think there was
other things going on with her because I don't see
the correlation of being sexually assaulted and then I could
see killing someone because you don't that's fine, but like
cooking them and eating.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Them is that's like another lefle of crazy. Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Plenty of cases where people were raped and then ended
up killing somebody, but it's never quite escalated into then
eating their remains. Yeah. What's really interesting is she went
to jail after this, but she's actually eligible for parole
in twenty twenty six, Yeah, which is soon. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I wonder if I mean she did.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I would think if she talked to a psychiatrist and
was saying these things, there has to be some kind
of diagnosis with this, right, Like it's just an average
person just doesn't eat someone.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Like this what year did this happen? In ninety one? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It really just wasn't that long ago. So she can
get out in a couple of years. And she's not
even really that old. So yeah, she was only twenty three. Yeah,
so what is she like in her fifties. I'm prep
My math is all over the place.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I can't just do it all this spot with that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, I would assume she's getting out in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Let me do the math.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Oh my god, people are like these girls are so dupe.
I just I'm not a math in my head person.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I was also telling, you know, Lily and like learning
all this.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, she'll be fifty eight when she's eligible to get released,
so so she might be on the dating market soon.
Just imagine. I mean she probably has a boyfriend, like
everyone in jail has relationships. Apparently we didn't even cover
this this week, but like this story came out that
Lyle Menenda is like having an affair in jail, and
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you were saying, how do you even have an affair?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And like they literally get letters all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I was thinking about this. Actually, after we talked about this,
do you think like when you're in jail and you
meet someone if you just are like, oh, any person
is paying attention to me and wants to be a
relationship with me, and I'm kind like, you can't really
date in a typical way of like dating all these
different women and finding out which one you're a good
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fit with. And then once he found out that he
was possibly going to get out, he's just like fuck this,
Like I got I can't I have my choice of
any woman now, Like I don't. I don't need to
be with this lady anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I really don't know he I think he's already been
married two times. So and he was a teenager when
he went to jail, right, so it's this is like
the only he was in his early twenties. Okay, but
he had a girlfriend at the time that the parents
were murdered. But I don't think he had like an
extensive dating history.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah did he marry that girl?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
No? Oh, okay, he married He married like two women
that were following the trial. Wow, that's insane. So that's
like a whole other subject. Just what was that show
called that talked about people of love after Laca?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, Well there's there's Also, there was a new show
last year called like prison Wives or something.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I didn't watch any of those, but I think there's
a psychological component for the woman that they are. They
typically have the history of dating cheaters, and then they
think because the guys in prison that they like can't
cheat on them because they're in jail, But they're not
factoring in emotional affairs via letters of phone calls.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, so I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Like, I was kind of mind blown when I found
out that there was some kind of Reddit group for
people who like loved Brian Coburger and thought he was
like hot, which is just like, Okay, I don't know
who you're looking at and thinking this is hot. But
you have this person that is strong. There's a lot
of strong evidence against him murdering for people and stabbing
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them and butchering them to death. What's attractive about that?
I don't understand. Well, it was the same with that
Wade Wilson guy that was convicted a couple months ago.
I mean, there are still girls making TikTok saying he's innocent,
and it's like, just because a person's like a t
doesn't mean that they didn't brutally murder somebody. It's very
he's the one that was attractive and then got all
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these weird.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Tattoos on his face.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah yeah like that right, there is is a sign
of guilt. Is just that he has like some crazy
shit on his face? Right?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah? I'm like it's not and it's not just like
them in jail.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, but there Isn't it like racist stuff and all this,
Like it's not just like no, it's not just like
normal face tattoos. He has like a swasig on his face.
Yea horrible stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Like what's going.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You're like, something is clearly not right with that guy. Yeah,
of course, but there's you know, all these women like
obsessed with him, and it's very weird to me that
you're not like I really want to talk to one
of these people, honestly.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I just want to like.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Look at someone in the eye and just be like
explain this to me.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Please.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Could you imagine like somebody at your work or someone
in your family telling you that they that they had
some kind of crosser relationship with a person like this,
Like you just want to talk to them and say, like,
what's happening right now? But Eric Menendez has been with
his wife I think for thirty years like that. That
situation to me is a little bit different because I
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strongly believe that they're innocent and if anybody really I mean,
obviously I don't think they're innocent. I think they murdered
their parents for sure, but the background of them having
this abuse and stuff is pretty strong, and I'm kind
of like free pass on those things. It's the same
with like, listen Gipsy Rose situation. Most people are kind
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of putting her on People magazine and like she's she's
going to red carpet premieres and stuff, like they're giving
her a pass because of what she went through. Right,
It's the same thing with them. It's just a little
bit different with these other cases that you're like, and
there's not really much that you're going to be able
to say to me to prove that he didn't do
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this right, especially the coburger case.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
He's just not He's not hot even a little bit
like people used to say Ted Bundy was hot. You're like, no,
unless there's I don't want to kid, there's a lid
for every part I under I understand that. But but
there's also people in general think that. Okay, most people
will say, oh, Brad Pitt is a handsome person, right,
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like he's not really my cup of tea. But I
could look at him and say, okay, I could see
why he's an a technically handsome person, right, So then
people would say that about Ted Bundy, right. And then
I've heard the argument that people say, well, back in
the day, he was considered handsome, and I'm like, no,
fucking Elvis was considered handsome and he's still considered handsome, Tokay.
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Like I'm going to stand by that argument and say,
for regular person, he was considered seventies handsome, but he's
not my type.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But I'm just.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Saying, like that's that's people don't didn't get more attractive.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
But if thirty years or forty or fifty years later,
like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Regular people didn't didn't evolve and get hotter. There's plenty
of people that you could say were hot in the seventies,
you know what I mean, Like, it's people are getting hotter.
It's no, No, that's absolutely they're getting hotter with plastics
recreated enhancement. Yeah, but we're but dudes typically, well I
know they do, but a lot of dudes don't do that.
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So you just have to think about, like he wasn't hot.
The only thing that you could say was hot was
that people are attracted to the fact that he was
a serial killer. I just don't I just don't see
it in the face. It's the same with Coburger. I
just don't see it. And it's funny because, well, the
thing is is that apparently he was like an in
cell type, right, yeah, and like nobody thought he was
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hot before this happened. He wasn't like pounding it left
and right right, like nobody was into that. And now
all of a sudden he's got like all these girls
into him because he killed some killed people.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you the people obsessed with
him are in part because I'm sure some of them
think he's attractive, but you know, a lot of it
has to do with what he did, which is scarier
to think about that some people are okay with that
and attracted to people that have murdered other people.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And it's not that I guess that's the scary part
about these Reddit groups and just the online in general
is that you're always going to have some sick fuck
out there that thinks a certain way. But now you
have these communities where all of these people could get
together and share all their sick ideas and like feed
off of each other and this, listen, this could be a.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Really positive thing.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like when you have the Walmart nutcracker group on Facebook,
every face posting that makes me want to get one
now actually, but everyone's posting these blank nutcrackers that you
could buy that are like six foot tall at Walmart
and there's like groups for them on Facebook, right, And
you're like, that's a good example of.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
A community with a weird.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Niche that gets together and it's like, hey, look how
I painted my note cracker and stuff totally innocent. But
then you have these people that are like, hey, isn't
it hot that that guy like file aid that girl open?
Oh yeah, this is so hot? Like then that shit's weird, yeah,
but like this is this is like where we're gonna
start seeing. You know, the Internet's been around for what
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like three decades approximately right now, so we're gonna really
start seeing the dangers of it when things like this
start coming out more and more over time. I guess
you could kind of say the grocroom is somewhere in
between these two things, because it is kind of you're
looking at things that are really sick and twisted, but
at the same time you're you're learning about them and
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trying to hopefully people are learning about them and not
and trying to make their lives better and not other things. Right,
you can't even say the grocerm is the same thing.
They're not people like actively having discussions of the public
forum being like this is sexy, like you know what
I mean, No, but it's people in an active forum
that are like, oh, this is the craziest accident I've
(34:07):
ever seen. This is the craziest murder I've ever seen.
I've never seen such a gruesome murder. It's like people
getting together to talk about the worst things that could
happen to humans, basically, but it is it is interesting,
and it's like the whole true crime thing, like why
are women so interested in true crime? And it's just like, well,
number one because our maybe our lives aren't that exciting,
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and like, I don't know if this has happened at
crime con before, but I think they should because it's
ninety nine percent women. Do a lecture on the psychological
like component of women being attracted to serial killers.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, now nobody has to do it. I don't know,
maybe they've done it before.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I know, I'm just trying to think of like who
to even recommend that too. And really they could even
talk about the fascination with true crime and the women.
And it is interesting because when we went there the first,
like you know, I had Gabe walk around with me
at first, just so we could like check out the
convention and stuff, and he was just like, Yo, there's
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like all women here. This is insane. He's just like,
look around, there's like a random husband with the wife
or something, but like this is like a whole chick thing.
He's like, why is that? He kind of was like
mind blown by that a little bit. Well, there you have,
like you want to think that a majority of the
women are attracted to like the police officers and the lawyers.
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Joe's The line of women that are lined up for
him is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Your mother face, Yes, my mom is.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, this is like my mom is like the prime
person that will go there and stand in line for
three hours just to like be like, Hi, they send
to you all the time. And then the women following
that Murphy like he's the Beatles, right, like, so you
have all.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That that happened.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I told him that when I interviewed him, I was
just like I looked over and saw all these women
like fan growing following some dude and it ended up
being you like that's it was just like, it's just
like hilarious her. Why don't we move on to the
rest of it so we could talk. We could talk
about serial killers and people being in love with them
forever and a criminal justice. Yeah, and we need to
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talk about eating injuries because you know, lots of people
eat tomorrow so or Thanksgiving. All right, So I guess
a big risk with eating turkeys and stuff is that
you could potentially eat parts of the bones if they're
not cut properly. And that happened to this one guy
in this one key's so like over ten years ago,
(36:37):
this guy in Australia. I don't even think this is
Thanksgiving related, but it's wishbone related. So who eats turkey
that's not on Thanksgiving? I know people eat, like launch
eat turkey and stuff, but like, do people cook a
turkey on any other day besides Thanksgiving and maybe Christmas time. Yes,
my stepmother in law cooks turkey breast like on a
(36:59):
regular day. Okay, I've never well, I cook ground turkey
a lot, but not like yeah, I guess instead of
like yeah, I know. Anyway, sorry, anyway, you this guy
sits down and he's playing video games and he's eating
leftovers and swallows part of a wishbone that was in
the leftovers. Which how does that happen in general?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I don't know, But he knew that he swallowed it.
He knew he swallowed it, but he was hoping it
would just pass.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So this is the biggest thing I want to tell you, guys.
If you ever swallow something that's considered to be a
foreign body like a bone, go to the hospital really
and don't risk trying to pass it, because especially if
it even if it's not broken, it could perforate your
bow wall and it could really cause you to die.
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And you should always just go to the hospital right away, honestly, Like,
if this guy went to the hospital right away and
got an endoscopy really fast, they would have been able
to just remove it and end of story.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
And instead it turned into hell for this guy.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, I mean, so basically he's just like waiting this
time for it to pass. It doesn't pass. Two days later,
he starts having indigestion, chest tightness, shortness of breath, and
then he started having pain in his anus. The worst
part of this is really how he got treated at
the hospital. Like I was reading this and I just
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couldn't believe that this is actually what really happened. Like
he went to the hospital and he told them that
he ingested accidentally a wishbone and said he was having
pain in his anus, And the first thing the people
at the hospital should have done was give him imaging
and find out, like where is this thing and what's happening,
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And instead they sent.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Him home with hemorrhoid cream.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay, even make Eddie's say, like I understand that you
could have anal pain from hemorrhoids, but like the foreign
body in the GI track is a concern no matter what,
even if he wasn't even saying he had anal pain, like,
check that shit out.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So they didn't do it. And then when he went
back he ended up having the wishbone had perforated through
his rectum. And caused an abscess, which is a collection
of pus essentially around the bow, and that's what was
causing his pain. And furthermore, he became septic from that,
which means that the bacteria got into his bloodstream and
(39:29):
spread to his organs. And he went to the ICU
and everything, and he woke up and he was paralyzed
from the waist down because of that, or from the
neck down actually because that's sorry. Yeah, and he had
to live in a rehab for four years before he
could go home. I don't know if he did it, say,
if he ended up and walking again or that was Yeah,
he had something called critical illness neuropathy, which is something
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that people can get after they have a serious illness,
especially like sepsis, that could cause them to become temporari paralyzed.
I'm glad that he ended up suing the hospital, honestly,
because this could have been caught multiple times before it
became a problem for him, you know what I mean.
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And I have another story actually of a woman who
swallowed a wishbone but didn't know she swallowed a wishbone,
and she went to the hospital because there was something
hard protruding from her anus. She had a history of constipation,
and when they did imaging on her, they saw that
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she had this V shaped foreign bodies stuck in her
rectum right near her anus. And when they removed it,
it was a wishbone. And she like literally had no
idea that she even ate it. I don't understand how
it's ending up in I do because when you when
you eat, there's been multiple times that you're eating like
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a like a chicken, like a drumstick, for example, you
could bite off a piece of a bone pretty easily,
especially the smaller bones, and you could just get it
in your mouth like it's it's not it's not uncommon
for that to happen because their bones aren't. They're just
like they're not always super hard like you would like
you would think. And actually a wishbone is the zyphoid process,
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which is your you know, the bottom of your sternum
kind of and sometimes that could be like cartinolaginous or
like cartilagic. You could bite through it with your teeth.
It's not what you would think of as a super
hard bone. Sometimes and depending on how old the turkey
your chicken is depends on how hard it would be.
So I think it's it's totally possible if you're just
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like have it in your hands and you're like chewing
it like that, that you could get a bone in
your mouth easily and not know it. But if you
do know it, especially like the biggest one that I
always saw working in surgical pathology with dishbones, because they're
so they're so and they're pointy, they're almost like little
needles that you're swallowing, and so many people had problems
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with them, and it's like if you chew one and
by accident you think you swallowed it, like you really
should just get checked out. Yeah, well, I guess it's
just like you gotta really watch when you're carving the
meat and making sure you're not getting it in because
anybody could have this issue, but they're saying most people,
most of the time people that have the issues are
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children elderly people. So speaking of children, there was another
case in which where this mother and her child were
at Golden Corral restaurant on Thanksgiving and eating and the
kids started choking on mashed potatoes and then thank god,
somebody in the restaurant knew how to do the Heimluk maneuver.
And was able to do it quickly and save the kid. Yeah,
so choking is most common in kids, little kids, and
(42:50):
then adults. So when you get older and you're just
losing your reflexes and stuff like that. And I did
I've told the story on here about when somebody used
it on my stete, right, I don't remember. Well. So
what this doctor Heimlich discovered in the seventies is that
if you're choking, there's still some leftover air in your lungs.
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So if you squeeze a person right underneath their ribs,
you can help expel some of that air that's in
their lungs and push a foreign body out of the
throat if it's stuck. Right. So that's didn't catch on
for a while because obviously when anybody brings up a
new medical idea, there's always people like saying it's not
a good idea for years until they realize that it is.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
A good idea.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Typically before that, you would just like slap someone on
the back, which is what you would still do now.
If you have a person that's like unconscious or a
baby or somebody. Really the first thing you should do
is if you see that someone's choking, and you talk
to them and you say like, are you choking? And
they're not able to talk as the first sign, because
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typically you would think, like when they show you in
the movies and stuff, like when someone's choked, it's like
they're making all this noise and stuff, and it's just like, no,
no noise is coming out because the item is blocked
over top of the voice box, so there's no way
that any sound could come out because no air could
come out, right, And you should really ask them like, hey,
can you try to cough? Because sometimes if they can cough,
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like they could dislodge it, but if not, you should
really do this heimlick on them. And this happened to
my sister. We were at the softball field when we
were little kids. And you know, it's like I was
thinking about this when I was reading this because the
heim doctor Heimlich had said this in the seventies and
it didn't really catch on for ten whole years. So
that brings you to the early eighties. And this happened
(44:41):
probably in like the late eighties. So this mom that
knew about doing this was kind of on top of
her shit, especially before the Internet and all this stuff,
like you got to think about that. And my sister
was eating this piece of candy that was like a lifesaver,
but it had it had this center in it that
I had a whistle in it. And you put the
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life saver thing in between your lips and you were
supposed to blow out air and it made.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Like a whistle sound.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, she put it between her lips and she sucked in.
For whatever reason. She was young, she was like seven
or something, she was little. She sucked it in and
it went in her throat. And this mom who was
walking with us just happened to notice that she wasn't
breathing and gave her the heimlick and like got it
out of her. And it's just like, that's how fast
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it could happen to people, you know what I mean.
And I think since then that piece of candy is recalled,
or at least it's not sold in America anymore, although
I feel like I googled it fairly recently and saw
it on Amazon, but it's not sold like it was anyway.
But but yeah, that it works. It saves lives all
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the time, you know, and it's just a way to
especially if it's happening to you, like if you're home
alone or something. You could do it on yourself by
just making a fist and going underneath a your ribs
and just pushing as hard as you can. But you
also could just basically jam your your body, your abdomen
right below your ribs into like a piece of furniture
(46:09):
to push something out. My god, but I gave even
imagine avidities something like that. Well, the thing is is
that you don't you want it to be like a
last resort because you could hurt some money, You could
break the rib or you could even like perforate one
of their bowls, right, so you want to make sure
that when you're doing it it's legit. But even if
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you do, if someone's legit choking and you save them,
even if you do break their rib, like who cares,
Like that could be fixed. Even a perforated bowel can
be fixed. Like if someone chokes, they'll die. So you
just look at it that way. So the risk is
kind of worth it if if it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Well, on that.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Note, I hope you guys got some good some good
stories to talk about it, you know what, So there's
like this, I don't I don't want to say anything
about a brand name or anything, because I I don't
even know if it works. But I've seen commercials for
some tool that there is that you could have at
your house and like stick it in someone's mouth and
(47:08):
like suck something out of their mouth or something when
I know when they're choking. I don't know, like like
if it probably works and it's probably awesome, but just
it's just like a weird thing, and I feel like
if I had one in my house, I'd be like
where is it, Like it's in a drawer somewhere, and
like ripping it out of like ten thousand drawers or whatever.
But I guess you could keep it like near the
(47:29):
fire extinguisher or whatever. I feel like you would just
never like if you had it at your house, you
would choke in a restaurant. If you had it in
your purse, it would be in the car, would you
choke it? I don't know if you can carry it
in your purse because it's kind of big. Oh really,
I think it's I don't think it's like a little thing,
Like it wouldn't fit in my purse for sure. Maybe
(47:50):
those fond to us so we could try it out. Yeah,
do you want to practice on that. No, all right, well,
thank you guys so much. We hope you have a
great Thanksgiving. Let us know if you share any of
these stories you heard at dinner and how your family
received it. Let us know if you amputate one of
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your fingers, or if you kill someone underneath the ribs
or what else did we talk about? Tell you that,
but but but if you do, we.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Want to know about it.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, So we will see you guys next week with
some more news stories. Have a great holiday weekend. So yeah,
thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have a special
Thanksgiving episode for you today, talking about the most common
things that we would see at Thanksgiving time that have
to do with of course eating and also relationship disputes.
So let's get into Let's get into cooking injuries at first.
All right, yeah, let's start off with a bunch of
(00:42):
cooking injuries. This is going to be, you know, the
most common thing we see this time of year. So first,
let's start off talking about a pressure cooker. This is
something that the both of us heavily use a lot.
I mean I feel like I use it for almost
every single dinner. Really, you use it that often? Yeah,
I really cook so much stuff in there. I use
it sometimes. I think it's really cool. I just started
(01:04):
using it when you told me to get it, actually
a couple of years ago, and it is.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It is really awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But what happens is with for those of you who've
never used a pressure cooker, it just you put your
food in there and it cooks it and accelerates the
boiling point basically to cook your food faster than it
normally could on a stove, but when it's under pressure
like that, it can be a serious safety hazard. So
even if you've bought one of these modern instapots at
(01:33):
you know, Target or whatever, there's one thousand warning labels
all over it, and you know, the.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
History of them kind of can scare the shit out.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Of you if you really know what could happen like
it did in this particular case we have in the
gross room.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I mean there used to be I feel like a
lot of issues with it when they first were like
popping off, and you know, I guess they started coming
out in what the seventies, probably in the eighties, but
they were having a lot of problems and then all
of the us sudden, the insta pot comes out and
like it's this like new modern machine for millennials, right.
I think they came back because they put all these
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crazy safety mechanisms on it to prevent them from blowing off,
but they still tell you that there's a possibility of
doing it.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So in this case, this woman was in her thirties,
she was using the instipot. I guess she was, or
I don't know, was the fancy pot specific or just
a pressure cooker.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
It just set a pressure cooker.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay, So she's using a pressure cooker and she's standing
in front of it, and all of a sudden, the
lid blows off of it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
The thing tips over.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
If you've ever used one of these things, they caused
this crazy amount of steam that comes out. Again, there's
a million warnings all over these things that are like,
don't stand near when it's releasing steam.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Obviously, she didn't know the.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Lid was gonna blow off of it, so it tips over,
and then it's like pushing all of that excess steam
and boiling hot liquid onto her and she immediately, you know,
her partner tried to get her in a cold shower
as quickly as possible. They brought her to urgent care,
but she had really bad burns from this. Yeah, she
had second degree burns over a large percentage of her
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body from both the steam and the liquid hot boiling
fluid that was in the pressure cooker. So just we're
just telling you, like we use them all the time,
but just be careful with them because they could really
hurt you. And like, think about this. The Boston Marathon
bombers used pressure cookers to really shrapnel, so it's like
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they have the potential to really harm you. So you
just have to follow. Think if you follow the directions
and stuff, you're gonna be cool.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I think the thing is like you want to buy
a good brand that has a good reputation of not
a lot of incidents happening, and you know there's labels
all over it that are like, when it's pressure cooking,
do not try to force the lid off for a
good reason. I don't know what happened in this case,
if it was a faulty machine or it wasn't being
used correctly, but we obviously don't want to end up
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in situations like this because they're horrible and these things
get really hot. One of my theories in medicine in general,
and this is just with medical devices as well as
just everyday things that people use that they get injured by,
I think that they're way underreported. So for example, if
this lady went to urging Care and said I got
burned and it wasn't her fault, it didn't seem like
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it was her fault or whatever it was, it still
should get reported to the company. Right, What are the
chances that they're getting the exact name brand of whatever
she was using and sending this report to the company
that she got injured by it, Like this probably happens
all the time. I say the same thing about like
iud's and stuff, all these things that I've seen people
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having injuries from all the time, and I'm just like,
I wonder how many of these are actually reported to
the companies as complications from a medical issue or from
a product that was dysfunctioning.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I would assume also because of like you know, the
holidays and getting bombarded with a bunch of injuries. And
I'm assuming that most hospitals are understaffed on holidays because
a lot of regular personnel take off that they're not
really worried about making sure the company is getting the
report if something happens.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
But I've never been on that end of it like
we have gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I know for a fact that we used to report
certain breast and plants that would rupture or something like that.
We had reporting systems to put in, but that was
only if they told us of a specific case. There
was also these devices they used to use back in
the day for birth control called ashore, which was they
put these coils into fallopian tubes and took it was
(05:41):
to cause scarring, so then you in theory you couldn't
get pregnant. And people were just having all sorts of
complications with them. So we would get them sent down
to the lab and they would tell us like, hey,
this is a lawsuitcase. Make sure that you really work
this one up and take lots of pictures and stuff.
But just on average everyday cases, that wasn't always the case. Yeah,
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that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I never thought.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
About that, like when people have to sue the companies,
what happens on your guys end with that. Oh yeah,
it was pretty cool actually, Like we would get a
uterus from the surgery and we we had to do
it when we got the information from the lawyer's office.
They gave us very specific instructions how to cut the uterus,
and it was really crazy because it was not anywhere
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near the normal way that we would cut it. And
then we had to submit all these different sections and
put it in all these different put this one informally,
make a paraffin block of this one, all this stuff,
just because it was a lawsuit, and that was the
most common one that I saw in surgical pathology was
from those assured devices, all right, And while we could
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get burned by something like a pressure cooker any day,
more specifically to Thanksgiving is deep friors for turkeys. Yeah,
they cause a lot of issues, so they became popular.
They haven't been used forever in this country, obviously, but
they became really popular probably when Martha Stewart put it
on the front cover of her magazine back in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Well, let's not blame Martha for this.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I'm not blaming Martha. I've never had it, and I
want to have it so bad. One of the firemen
makes it, and I'm going to try to go there
on Thanksgiving one day just to get to taste it
because I heard it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I'm not blaming her.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I'm just saying that a lot of people might have
became a hip to it because of Martha Stewart.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
You're gonna leave.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
The five star meal at my house to try to
get get a deep fried k Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Am, because it's said I heard it's delicious. So yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It seems like in the eighties this started, you know,
first happening when they were converting like crawfish boilers into
these turkey deep friars. And then of course this is
really appealing to a lot of people, especially Americans, because
you know, we all love best fried food over here,
so a lot of people do this. But I think
the problem is a lot of people don't know what
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they're doing. They're leaving these things unsupervised. They're like making
them way too hot, They're putting them really close to
their house. They're overall just this general fire hazard. They're
not wearing the correct clothing to be near it. Well,
I think the biggest thing that people don't realize is
that you can't stick a frozen turkey inside of it
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because that extra moisture just makes the oil boil over
more and just cause a potential issue. And we have
a story, actually a news story of a person like Luckily.
So what happened was they had the turkey fire that
was heated by propane and the oil, you know, because
they weren't cooking it properly or monitoring it, the oil
(08:41):
spilled over onto the pro pain tank, which then exploded. Luckily,
no one in the house got hurt, but it did
set their house on fire, which is which is terrible. Well,
what I want to say about that story is that
this happened at one o'clock in the morning, which I
do think a lot of people. Well, I don't know
why you would be deep frying a turkey overnight, because
(09:02):
I think the point of frying it is that it
cooks so quickly. Whereas you know, my husband sometimes will
like smoke something overnight, but he won't go to bed,
like he'll just stay up all night long and watch
it all night. But I think people just stick stuff
in the smoker or whatever and then just like go
to bed and then hope it's done in the morning,
which is so unsafe. But I don't know why this
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guy was deep frying at one o'clock in the morning,
but basically.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Wanted a snack.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Was it actually for Thanksgiving dinner or he was just
it was just like a random Tuesday, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, I think it was around Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I think it was Thanksgiving week, So I don't know
what he was doing cooking in the middle of the night.
But he set it all up, got it going, and
then went inside and fell asleep. And then when it's unsupervised,
this accident could have easily happened if.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
He was standing there.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
But you might have like a fire extinguisher right next
to it and be able to put it out before
it blows all the windows out of the back of
your house.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
It sets the back of your house on fire.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So well, they estimate that there are sixty injuries a
year because of deep fried turkeys and five deaths a
year because of it.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
So, I mean, just got it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We know is linked to Yeah, like you just gotta
you gotta be careful with that.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But you know what, I was just thinking.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know those delicious turkey legs that they have in
Disney World, Yeah, are they deep fried or what? Like?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
How are they know?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
They're probably smoked because they have a special taste to them.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
They are crispy. They're crispy, and that like's so greasy
where you technically like the leg is dark meat, so
it's going to be you know what I mean, that
meat seems to just.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Have like a greasier feel to it. I guess I don't.
I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I know, you're not a dark person, I am. Yeah,
I don't really like the turkey legs that much, but
I know that's like fast if it really is. Yeah,
you know, I've thought about this a lot. I really
like the skin of turkey and like the like white
meat parts, but like I'm not a huge like I
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eat chicken, but I don't really like it that much.
Does that make sense if it has that gross chicken
eat taste too?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
No, I know, I feel the same exact way.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I feel like you have to eat chicken just because
it's it's like the healthiest lean protein, but it is.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I think it's gross.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And it's the same with Thanksgiving, Like I might have
a tiny little piece of turkey, but really all I
want is decide, you know, well, yeah, so like I
always have it, and I think the skin and the piece.
I think the piece I eat taste good, but I
don't ever want like a giant chunk of it. My
husband also makes a ham, which personally, I think is
like the best thing in the world. I would just
(11:43):
eat the ham. I think that's yeah, to the ham
the most. Honestly, too, I feel like, over any meat,
I prefer pork over every single meat. Honestly, a turkey
is just big chicken to be just like really a
big lea cross. I don't know, and I don't know
why all of a sudden in the last ten years
(12:03):
they've like Turkey's just freely roam our area. We I
feel like we never saw them growing up just walking
around that name, never never once, And now there's like
straight up Thanksgiving turkeys like walking around up my street.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
They're just there and their thingies. What is that thing
that hangs off their gizzard things or that's it. I
don't think that's their gizzard. I don't know, but that
gross things. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's
just like I can't it's just really they're just nasty
looking and obviously they freely roam like the land before
because obviously people were hunting them. But that's like the
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establishment of their Thanksgiving meal. It's just weird that for
so for twenty years of my life, I never saw
one just wandering on a suburban street. And now they're
just everywhere anywhere you go. It's so bizarre. I don't, well,
so you're gonna find this hilarious. So I say to Gabelake, hey,
have you ever gone to any fires for deep fried turkey?
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And he said, yeah, my firehouse. And then I'm like,
you know what, I don't even want to know, but
you know what the most common injuries that er doctors
are seeing are from knives and people cutting themselves by accident. Well,
that doesn't surprise me because I think a lot of
people are drinking when they're cooking or preparing st Yeah,
that's probably the biggest thing. Also, I think a lot
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of people that don't normally cook are trying to take
this opportunity to learn how to cook, and they're just
doing things they don't know how to do.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
They're not educated with it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I think a lot of things that this is what
I learned, because believe it or not, you would say
working in anatomic pathology is kind of the most similar
job you could have to cooking without cooking, because you're
literally cutting.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Meat all day.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And I think one of a misnomer that people have,
especially students that I've seen, is that they think they're
like kind of frightened by really sharp knives. Which really
sharp knives are the best knives to use because you
have to put minimal effort in with your hand and
the blade does the cutting right. Yeah, if you have
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a knife that's dull and you're pushing really hard to
cut through the meat, that's where you're gonna have the
most chance of like slipping because meat has fat in it,
and you're you're talking about the turkey legs being greasy,
and if the blade will slip right off of it
and it'll hurt you really bad. So I think people
buy knives. I I might have been guilty of this
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prior to being a PA. But when I I bought
knives maybe two years ago, when I redid my kitchen,
and I sharpen them like every week. I sharpen them
because I want them to be as sharp as possible
when I cut things. So I don't know if people
do that, but you should because that's the safest thing
to do, is just to have a really sharp blade,
and it's easy. It's easy to do. Or you get
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that old school electric one like we have, and that
one's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's not old school.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Old school is the non electric one, like electric is
like new school. But yeah, that that electric one is
like an eighties thing. It's just you're talking about the
electric knife. I thought you met the sharpener. No, I'm
talking about like the like Clark Griswolds. Yeah, I got
that for you guys, actually, because a lot of people
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I remember, just being a kid in the eighties and
that was the thing, having an electric knife, and you
were laughing about it.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And then I got it for Ricky and he thinks
it's awesome. No, I mean all our.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Friends make fun of us for it, but it's really
the best thing ever. I mean, you'd use it to
cut me. It's we use it to cut the sour
dough because the sour dough is pretty hard to cut
through sometimes. Yeah, it cuts that really nice. So you
can really use it for anything. Yeah. No, I was
talking about just like sharpening the blades, because they sell
electric knife sharpeners, but they're kind of expensive. You could
just use the old school stone to do it, and
(15:49):
most knives come with the sharpening tool, so it's definitely
something you should do. Okay, let's talk about some juicy
holiday murders.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, these are all family related.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
So in New.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Mexico, this family was headed over to a loved one's
house for dinner. They were saying throughout the day everything
seemed like it was going normal. A husband and wife
was hosting the dinner. The wife had been texting via
a group chat with her family, talking about her plans
for the day. So later in the day, the husband's
family gets to the house and they're, you know, knocking
on the door. Nobody's answering. They're looking through the windows
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and the house seems empty, and they're like, what the hell,
Like we're here for dinner, and like nobody's answering the door.
And it was unusual because they did dinner there before
they were planning to go there. They couldn't get in
touch with either of them, so they called the police
and they were like, can you do a welfare check
or something. The police came and we're like, we can't
go in the house unless we get a warrant. I
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guess I don't know where maybe not enough time had
passed between people not talking to them. So the family
breaks into the house and as the sister is going through,
she goes into the bedroom and finds her brother laying
on the bed and his wife dismembered.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
On the bedroom floor.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, how outrageous, right, And I can't even imagine what
that could have been, Like, I mean, it kind of
sucks that the cops couldn't go in, but I guess
there's rules that they can't.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Just what would be the there's no cause to go in, right.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Just like, it looks like nobody's home, so they can't
just break into someone's house.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
But her brother was here.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Was diagnosed with fronto temporal dementia, and that causes you
to have emotional changes. It's it's a rare type of dementia,
but it could it could cause people to become violent.
There's cases of like this that this person ended up
killing his wife and dismembering her and there was no
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indication that they were even having relationship problems, and they
said that he was a pretty nice guy actually, So
this is just terrible that his brain was doing these
things that were causing him to carry out these actions.
It could cause people to have like weird social interactions
and difficulty making communication and stuff. So it's just a
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really terrible diagnosis for a person to get. And the
whole thing is is just I mean, just terrible.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I mean, I feel like we've on this show, I've
never talked about a case of something like this with dementia.
I feel like it's typically schizophrenia related, right, Yeah, So
that was surprising to me that that wasn't the case.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
And then I was trying to look this up.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So this happened two years ago, and I had read
in this initial article that the husband was arrested, and
I was trying to see what ended up happening to him,
and it appears he died two to three weeks after this. Yeah,
he had some kind of injuries. What did he die
from injuries or from complications from his dementia? All I
could find was his obituary, and it didn't really specify
(19:03):
because you know, yeah, some sas are like honest like that. Yeah,
so no, It's it's interesting because they did say that
he had some injuries because and that happens commonly when
a person kills someone with a knife, that they're going
to get injured in the process because people are obviously
fighting off the assaulant and trying to save their own life.
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So sometimes in that process that the person gets cut
with the knife, you know, So that makes total sense.
I don't know how bad his injuries were. I know
that he got hospitalized.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
They did. They said that they were going to charge
them though.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's just interesting because I wonder how that's handled because
like you were saying, like if it was diagnosable caizophrenia,
for example, that they would be considered not not to
be able to stand trial. Well, so I'm just wondering
in this particular case, if he had full blown dimension,
they were able to prove that these acts were carried
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out because of that, if he would really go to
jail for that, well, maybe they have to buy protocol,
arrest somebody at first, or detain them in some type
of way until they get legitimate proof that they have
a psychological condition happening, and then they'll discharge into like
a facility or something.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I mean, I know that we've talked to forensic psychiatrists
before and they said that it's kind of difficult to
get someone off for something like that, but in this case,
I feel, yeah, it would be valid. Yeah, I mean
they said he had been diagnosed two years before that
with the dementias, So I'm assuming the family had a
documented history. But you probably have to get all that
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together before they could release somebody in that situation. So
there's another case of a Thanksgiving scuffle, I guess. So
in nineteen ninety one, this chick o Mamon Nelson, she
married this older guy. They were only married for about
a month before it turned deadly. Basically, she was saying
actually assaulting her and on Thanksgiving he had actually assaulted
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her and she had it, so then she was just
decided to start stabbing him with scissors and then she
finished him off with a clothing iron. And she said,
in a complete blind raid, she just started dismembering him
because I don't know, she.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Just wasn't with it.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Well, their relationship didn't start off great. I think she
was twenty three and he was like in his mid
he was fifty six, so and they got married like
two days after they met. So like, I don't know
what was happened in their relationship, but clearly it was
not good for her, and she did she did say
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that she cut him up, and it's so this is
like the disturbing parts that she caught up his body
parts and mixed them with turkey leftovers and put them
in the in the trash to try to to try
to conceal what she had done, and she shoved multiple
parts of his body down the garbage disposal, to which
neighbors can firm that she was running it for quote hours, right,
(22:03):
And I guess if you live in a building close
to someone, you could hear it like that. So that
was crazy. But she boiled his hands to remove his fingerprints.
But the most the craziest thing is that she admitted
to a psychiatrist that she quote did his ribs just
like a restaurant and said, it is so sweet. It's delicious,
I like mind tender. So she cooked his ribs and
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ate them. She also put his head in the freezer,
which they found later. She said she was figuring out
what to do with it that won't fit down the drain.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
I suppose no.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And imagine being the police officer that has to go
to the scene and finds his stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
We talk about at least one story. Well it's even
the one we just talked about. Like, imagine standing there
and getting a phone call on Thanksgiving. So all right,
you're a first responder and you're already working on the holiday,
which sucks. You get a call that says, oh, we
were supposed to go here for Thanksgiving and nobody's here.
And they show up and the house is all dark.
They're like holding side items and bottles of wine in
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their hand, right, and just like, hey, could you check?
And then it all of a sudden turns to the
sister finding her brother like that and her sister in
law like that. I mean that's a lot for a
cop to see too, especially any person that's dismembered all
over the floor is disturbing as hell. And then this
is like, yeah, doing this investigation, imagine the psychiatrist talking
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to this woman who's talking about eating a human's ribs.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I cannot imagine that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So so I understand that she was mad and upset
that she got sexually assaulted, but I think there was
other things going on with her because I don't see
the correlation of being sexually assaulted and then I could
see killing someone because you don't that's fine, but like
cooking them and eating.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Them is that's like another lefle of crazy. Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Plenty of cases where people were raped and then ended
up killing somebody, but it's never quite escalated into then
eating their remains. Yeah. What's really interesting is she went
to jail after this, but she's actually eligible for parole
in twenty twenty six, Yeah, which is soon. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I wonder if I mean she did.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I would think if she talked to a psychiatrist and
was saying these things, there has to be some kind
of diagnosis with this, right, Like it's just an average
person just doesn't eat someone.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Like this what year did this happen? In ninety one? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It really just wasn't that long ago. So she can
get out in a couple of years. And she's not
even really that old. So yeah, she was only twenty three. Yeah,
so what is she like in her fifties. I'm prep
My math is all over the place.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I can't just do it all this spot with that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, I would assume she's getting out in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Let me do the math.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Oh my god, people are like these girls are so dupe.
I just I'm not a math in my head person.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I was also telling, you know, Lily and like learning
all this.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, she'll be fifty eight when she's eligible to get released,
so so she might be on the dating market soon.
Just imagine. I mean she probably has a boyfriend, like
everyone in jail has relationships. Apparently we didn't even cover
this this week, but like this story came out that
Lyle Menenda is like having an affair in jail, and
(25:37):
you were saying, how do you even have an affair?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
And like they literally get letters all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I was thinking about this. Actually, after we talked about this,
do you think like when you're in jail and you
meet someone if you just are like, oh, any person
is paying attention to me and wants to be a
relationship with me, and I'm kind like, you can't really
date in a typical way of like dating all these
different women and finding out which one you're a good
(26:04):
fit with. And then once he found out that he
was possibly going to get out, he's just like fuck this,
Like I got I can't I have my choice of
any woman now, Like I don't. I don't need to
be with this lady anymore.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I really don't know he I think he's already been
married two times. So and he was a teenager when
he went to jail, right, so it's this is like
the only he was in his early twenties. Okay, but
he had a girlfriend at the time that the parents
were murdered. But I don't think he had like an
extensive dating history.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah did he marry that girl?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
No? Oh, okay, he married He married like two women
that were following the trial. Wow, that's insane. So that's
like a whole other subject. Just what was that show
called that talked about people of love after Laca?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, Well there's there's Also, there was a new show
last year called like prison Wives or something.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I didn't watch any of those, but I think there's
a psychological component for the woman that they are. They
typically have the history of dating cheaters, and then they
think because the guys in prison that they like can't
cheat on them because they're in jail, But they're not
factoring in emotional affairs via letters of phone calls.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, so I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Like, I was kind of mind blown when I found
out that there was some kind of Reddit group for
people who like loved Brian Coburger and thought he was
like hot, which is just like, Okay, I don't know
who you're looking at and thinking this is hot. But
you have this person that is strong. There's a lot
of strong evidence against him murdering for people and stabbing
(27:45):
them and butchering them to death. What's attractive about that?
I don't understand. Well, it was the same with that
Wade Wilson guy that was convicted a couple months ago.
I mean, there are still girls making TikTok saying he's innocent,
and it's like, just because a person's like a t
doesn't mean that they didn't brutally murder somebody. It's very
he's the one that was attractive and then got all
(28:06):
these weird.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Tattoos on his face.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah yeah like that right, there is is a sign
of guilt. Is just that he has like some crazy
shit on his face? Right?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah? I'm like it's not and it's not just like
them in jail.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, but there Isn't it like racist stuff and all this,
Like it's not just like no, it's not just like
normal face tattoos. He has like a swasig on his face.
Yea horrible stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Like what's going.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You're like, something is clearly not right with that guy. Yeah,
of course, but there's you know, all these women like
obsessed with him, and it's very weird to me that
you're not like I really want to talk to one
of these people, honestly.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I just want to like.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Look at someone in the eye and just be like
explain this to me.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Please.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Could you imagine like somebody at your work or someone
in your family telling you that they that they had
some kind of crosser relationship with a person like this,
Like you just want to talk to them and say, like,
what's happening right now? But Eric Menendez has been with
his wife I think for thirty years like that. That
situation to me is a little bit different because I
(29:14):
strongly believe that they're innocent and if anybody really I mean,
obviously I don't think they're innocent. I think they murdered
their parents for sure, but the background of them having
this abuse and stuff is pretty strong, and I'm kind
of like free pass on those things. It's the same
with like, listen Gipsy Rose situation. Most people are kind
(29:37):
of putting her on People magazine and like she's she's
going to red carpet premieres and stuff, like they're giving
her a pass because of what she went through. Right,
It's the same thing with them. It's just a little
bit different with these other cases that you're like, and
there's not really much that you're going to be able
to say to me to prove that he didn't do
(29:57):
this right, especially the coburger case.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I think it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
He's just not He's not hot even a little bit
like people used to say Ted Bundy was hot. You're like, no,
unless there's I don't want to kid, there's a lid
for every part I under I understand that. But but
there's also people in general think that. Okay, most people
will say, oh, Brad Pitt is a handsome person, right,
(30:25):
like he's not really my cup of tea. But I
could look at him and say, okay, I could see
why he's an a technically handsome person, right, So then
people would say that about Ted Bundy, right. And then
I've heard the argument that people say, well, back in
the day, he was considered handsome, and I'm like, no,
fucking Elvis was considered handsome and he's still considered handsome, Tokay.
(30:46):
Like I'm going to stand by that argument and say,
for regular person, he was considered seventies handsome, but he's
not my type.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But I'm just.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Saying, like that's that's people don't didn't get more attractive.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
But if thirty years or forty or fifty years later,
like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Regular people didn't didn't evolve and get hotter. There's plenty
of people that you could say were hot in the seventies,
you know what I mean, Like, it's people are getting hotter.
It's no, No, that's absolutely they're getting hotter with plastics
recreated enhancement. Yeah, but we're but dudes typically, well I
know they do, but a lot of dudes don't do that.
(31:24):
So you just have to think about, like he wasn't hot.
The only thing that you could say was hot was
that people are attracted to the fact that he was
a serial killer. I just don't I just don't see
it in the face. It's the same with Coburger. I
just don't see it. And it's funny because, well, the
thing is is that apparently he was like an in
cell type, right, yeah, and like nobody thought he was
(31:47):
hot before this happened. He wasn't like pounding it left
and right right, like nobody was into that. And now
all of a sudden he's got like all these girls
into him because he killed some killed people.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
It's weird.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you the people obsessed with
him are in part because I'm sure some of them
think he's attractive, but you know, a lot of it
has to do with what he did, which is scarier
to think about that some people are okay with that
and attracted to people that have murdered other people.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Yeah, So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
And it's not that I guess that's the scary part
about these Reddit groups and just the online in general
is that you're always going to have some sick fuck
out there that thinks a certain way. But now you
have these communities where all of these people could get
together and share all their sick ideas and like feed
off of each other and this, listen, this could be a.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Really positive thing.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like when you have the Walmart nutcracker group on Facebook,
every face posting that makes me want to get one
now actually, but everyone's posting these blank nutcrackers that you
could buy that are like six foot tall at Walmart
and there's like groups for them on Facebook, right, And
you're like, that's a good example of.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
A community with a weird.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Niche that gets together and it's like, hey, look how
I painted my note cracker and stuff totally innocent. But
then you have these people that are like, hey, isn't
it hot that that guy like file aid that girl open?
Oh yeah, this is so hot? Like then that shit's weird, yeah,
but like this is this is like where we're gonna
start seeing. You know, the Internet's been around for what
(33:22):
like three decades approximately right now, so we're gonna really
start seeing the dangers of it when things like this
start coming out more and more over time. I guess
you could kind of say the grocroom is somewhere in
between these two things, because it is kind of you're
looking at things that are really sick and twisted, but
at the same time you're you're learning about them and
(33:44):
trying to hopefully people are learning about them and not
and trying to make their lives better and not other things. Right,
you can't even say the grocerm is the same thing.
They're not people like actively having discussions of the public
forum being like this is sexy, like you know what
I mean, No, but it's people in an active forum
that are like, oh, this is the craziest accident I've
(34:07):
ever seen. This is the craziest murder I've ever seen.
I've never seen such a gruesome murder. It's like people
getting together to talk about the worst things that could
happen to humans, basically, but it is it is interesting,
and it's like the whole true crime thing, like why
are women so interested in true crime? And it's just like, well,
number one because our maybe our lives aren't that exciting,
(34:29):
and like, I don't know if this has happened at
crime con before, but I think they should because it's
ninety nine percent women. Do a lecture on the psychological
like component of women being attracted to serial killers.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, now nobody has to do it. I don't know,
maybe they've done it before.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I know, I'm just trying to think of like who
to even recommend that too. And really they could even
talk about the fascination with true crime and the women.
And it is interesting because when we went there the first,
like you know, I had Gabe walk around with me
at first, just so we could like check out the
convention and stuff, and he was just like, Yo, there's
(35:09):
like all women here. This is insane. He's just like,
look around, there's like a random husband with the wife
or something, but like this is like a whole chick thing.
He's like, why is that? He kind of was like
mind blown by that a little bit. Well, there you have,
like you want to think that a majority of the
women are attracted to like the police officers and the lawyers.
(35:32):
Joe's The line of women that are lined up for
him is hilarious.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Your mother face, Yes, my mom is.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, this is like my mom is like the prime
person that will go there and stand in line for
three hours just to like be like, Hi, they send
to you all the time. And then the women following
that Murphy like he's the Beatles, right, like, so you
have all.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That that happened.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I told him that when I interviewed him, I was
just like I looked over and saw all these women
like fan growing following some dude and it ended up
being you like that's it was just like, it's just
like hilarious her. Why don't we move on to the
rest of it so we could talk. We could talk
about serial killers and people being in love with them
forever and a criminal justice. Yeah, and we need to
(36:16):
talk about eating injuries because you know, lots of people
eat tomorrow so or Thanksgiving. All right, So I guess
a big risk with eating turkeys and stuff is that
you could potentially eat parts of the bones if they're
not cut properly. And that happened to this one guy
in this one key's so like over ten years ago,
(36:37):
this guy in Australia. I don't even think this is
Thanksgiving related, but it's wishbone related. So who eats turkey
that's not on Thanksgiving? I know people eat, like launch
eat turkey and stuff, but like, do people cook a
turkey on any other day besides Thanksgiving and maybe Christmas time. Yes,
my stepmother in law cooks turkey breast like on a
(36:59):
regular day. Okay, I've never well, I cook ground turkey
a lot, but not like yeah, I guess instead of
like yeah, I know. Anyway, sorry, anyway, you this guy
sits down and he's playing video games and he's eating
leftovers and swallows part of a wishbone that was in
the leftovers. Which how does that happen in general?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I don't know, But he knew that he swallowed it.
He knew he swallowed it, but he was hoping it
would just pass.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So this is the biggest thing I want to tell you, guys.
If you ever swallow something that's considered to be a
foreign body like a bone, go to the hospital really
and don't risk trying to pass it, because especially if
it even if it's not broken, it could perforate your
bow wall and it could really cause you to die.
(37:49):
And you should always just go to the hospital right away, honestly, Like,
if this guy went to the hospital right away and
got an endoscopy really fast, they would have been able
to just remove it and end of story.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
And instead it turned into hell for this guy.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, I mean, so basically he's just like waiting this
time for it to pass. It doesn't pass. Two days later,
he starts having indigestion, chest tightness, shortness of breath, and
then he started having pain in his anus. The worst
part of this is really how he got treated at
the hospital. Like I was reading this and I just
(38:26):
couldn't believe that this is actually what really happened. Like
he went to the hospital and he told them that
he ingested accidentally a wishbone and said he was having
pain in his anus, And the first thing the people
at the hospital should have done was give him imaging
and find out, like where is this thing and what's happening,
(38:48):
And instead they sent.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Him home with hemorrhoid cream.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay, even make Eddie's say, like I understand that you
could have anal pain from hemorrhoids, but like the foreign
body in the GI track is a concern no matter what,
even if he wasn't even saying he had anal pain, like,
check that shit out.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So they didn't do it. And then when he went
back he ended up having the wishbone had perforated through
his rectum. And caused an abscess, which is a collection
of pus essentially around the bow, and that's what was
causing his pain. And furthermore, he became septic from that,
which means that the bacteria got into his bloodstream and
(39:29):
spread to his organs. And he went to the ICU
and everything, and he woke up and he was paralyzed
from the waist down because of that, or from the
neck down actually because that's sorry. Yeah, and he had
to live in a rehab for four years before he
could go home. I don't know if he did it, say,
if he ended up and walking again or that was Yeah,
he had something called critical illness neuropathy, which is something
(39:52):
that people can get after they have a serious illness,
especially like sepsis, that could cause them to become temporari paralyzed.
I'm glad that he ended up suing the hospital, honestly,
because this could have been caught multiple times before it
became a problem for him, you know what I mean.
(40:14):
And I have another story actually of a woman who
swallowed a wishbone but didn't know she swallowed a wishbone,
and she went to the hospital because there was something
hard protruding from her anus. She had a history of constipation,
and when they did imaging on her, they saw that
(40:34):
she had this V shaped foreign bodies stuck in her
rectum right near her anus. And when they removed it,
it was a wishbone. And she like literally had no
idea that she even ate it. I don't understand how
it's ending up in I do because when you when
you eat, there's been multiple times that you're eating like
(40:57):
a like a chicken, like a drumstick, for example, you
could bite off a piece of a bone pretty easily,
especially the smaller bones, and you could just get it
in your mouth like it's it's not it's not uncommon
for that to happen because their bones aren't. They're just
like they're not always super hard like you would like
you would think. And actually a wishbone is the zyphoid process,
(41:22):
which is your you know, the bottom of your sternum
kind of and sometimes that could be like cartinolaginous or
like cartilagic. You could bite through it with your teeth.
It's not what you would think of as a super
hard bone. Sometimes and depending on how old the turkey
your chicken is depends on how hard it would be.
So I think it's it's totally possible if you're just
(41:44):
like have it in your hands and you're like chewing
it like that, that you could get a bone in
your mouth easily and not know it. But if you
do know it, especially like the biggest one that I
always saw working in surgical pathology with dishbones, because they're
so they're so and they're pointy, they're almost like little
needles that you're swallowing, and so many people had problems
(42:05):
with them, and it's like if you chew one and
by accident you think you swallowed it, like you really
should just get checked out. Yeah, well, I guess it's
just like you gotta really watch when you're carving the
meat and making sure you're not getting it in because
anybody could have this issue, but they're saying most people,
most of the time people that have the issues are
(42:26):
children elderly people. So speaking of children, there was another
case in which where this mother and her child were
at Golden Corral restaurant on Thanksgiving and eating and the
kids started choking on mashed potatoes and then thank god,
somebody in the restaurant knew how to do the Heimluk maneuver.
And was able to do it quickly and save the kid. Yeah,
so choking is most common in kids, little kids, and
(42:50):
then adults. So when you get older and you're just
losing your reflexes and stuff like that. And I did
I've told the story on here about when somebody used
it on my stete, right, I don't remember. Well. So
what this doctor Heimlich discovered in the seventies is that
if you're choking, there's still some leftover air in your lungs.
(43:12):
So if you squeeze a person right underneath their ribs,
you can help expel some of that air that's in
their lungs and push a foreign body out of the
throat if it's stuck. Right. So that's didn't catch on
for a while because obviously when anybody brings up a
new medical idea, there's always people like saying it's not
a good idea for years until they realize that it is.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
A good idea.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Typically before that, you would just like slap someone on
the back, which is what you would still do now.
If you have a person that's like unconscious or a
baby or somebody. Really the first thing you should do
is if you see that someone's choking, and you talk
to them and you say like, are you choking? And
they're not able to talk as the first sign, because
(43:55):
typically you would think, like when they show you in
the movies and stuff, like when someone's choked, it's like
they're making all this noise and stuff, and it's just like, no,
no noise is coming out because the item is blocked
over top of the voice box, so there's no way
that any sound could come out because no air could
come out, right, And you should really ask them like, hey,
can you try to cough? Because sometimes if they can cough,
(44:17):
like they could dislodge it, but if not, you should
really do this heimlick on them. And this happened to
my sister. We were at the softball field when we
were little kids. And you know, it's like I was
thinking about this when I was reading this because the
heim doctor Heimlich had said this in the seventies and
it didn't really catch on for ten whole years. So
that brings you to the early eighties. And this happened
(44:41):
probably in like the late eighties. So this mom that
knew about doing this was kind of on top of
her shit, especially before the Internet and all this stuff,
like you got to think about that. And my sister
was eating this piece of candy that was like a lifesaver,
but it had it had this center in it that
I had a whistle in it. And you put the
(45:01):
life saver thing in between your lips and you were
supposed to blow out air and it made.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Like a whistle sound.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Well, she put it between her lips and she sucked in.
For whatever reason. She was young, she was like seven
or something, she was little. She sucked it in and
it went in her throat. And this mom who was
walking with us just happened to notice that she wasn't
breathing and gave her the heimlick and like got it
out of her. And it's just like, that's how fast
(45:28):
it could happen to people, you know what I mean.
And I think since then that piece of candy is recalled,
or at least it's not sold in America anymore, although
I feel like I googled it fairly recently and saw
it on Amazon, but it's not sold like it was anyway.
But but yeah, that it works. It saves lives all
(45:49):
the time, you know, and it's just a way to
especially if it's happening to you, like if you're home
alone or something. You could do it on yourself by
just making a fist and going underneath a your ribs
and just pushing as hard as you can. But you
also could just basically jam your your body, your abdomen
right below your ribs into like a piece of furniture
(46:09):
to push something out. My god, but I gave even
imagine avidities something like that. Well, the thing is is
that you don't you want it to be like a
last resort because you could hurt some money, You could
break the rib or you could even like perforate one
of their bowls, right, so you want to make sure
that when you're doing it it's legit. But even if
(46:29):
you do, if someone's legit choking and you save them,
even if you do break their rib, like who cares,
Like that could be fixed. Even a perforated bowel can
be fixed. Like if someone chokes, they'll die. So you
just look at it that way. So the risk is
kind of worth it if if it's necessary.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Well, on that.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Note, I hope you guys got some good some good
stories to talk about it, you know what, So there's
like this, I don't I don't want to say anything
about a brand name or anything, because I I don't
even know if it works. But I've seen commercials for
some tool that there is that you could have at
your house and like stick it in someone's mouth and
(47:08):
like suck something out of their mouth or something when
I know when they're choking. I don't know, like like
if it probably works and it's probably awesome, but just
it's just like a weird thing, and I feel like
if I had one in my house, I'd be like
where is it, Like it's in a drawer somewhere, and
like ripping it out of like ten thousand drawers or whatever.
But I guess you could keep it like near the
(47:29):
fire extinguisher or whatever. I feel like you would just
never like if you had it at your house, you
would choke in a restaurant. If you had it in
your purse, it would be in the car, would you
choke it? I don't know if you can carry it
in your purse because it's kind of big. Oh really,
I think it's I don't think it's like a little thing,
Like it wouldn't fit in my purse for sure. Maybe
(47:50):
those fond to us so we could try it out. Yeah,
do you want to practice on that. No, all right, well,
thank you guys so much. We hope you have a
great Thanksgiving. Let us know if you share any of
these stories you heard at dinner and how your family
received it. Let us know if you amputate one of
(48:10):
your fingers, or if you kill someone underneath the ribs
or what else did we talk about? Tell you that,
but but but if you do, we.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Want to know about it.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, So we will see you guys next week with
some more news stories. Have a great holiday weekend. So yeah,
thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
(48:42):
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
(49:06):
that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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