June 18, 2025 • 14 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi, everyone, Welcome. The Mother knows that we have some
breaking news for you today.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We finally have a verdict and Karen Read's second trial,
and she is not guilty on second degree murder manslaughter
while upbraiding a vehicle under the influence and leaving the scene.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
All right, So what do you think about this? I'm
definitely not surprised.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm not surprised either, because they didn't have any good
evidence that proved that she did it. I mean, this
whole entire investigation was botched, and I think there was
definitely enough reasonable doubt that they couldn't confidently convict her.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, we really looked into this
case a couple of months ago, and I never thought
that they were going to be able to convict her.
And it's not I want to state that I'm not
one of these progue like what do they call it?
Free Karen Read people. I don't necessarily know if she
was involved or not, but all I'm saying is that
(00:58):
they whatever they were presenting surely was not convincing me
for sure. And also that, like Maria was saying, the
investigation was just so botched that there's no way that
they were going to be able to convict her on
what they had because of all the mistakes they made
initially in the investigation.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, and I think they just kind of had this
witch hunt after her. And I had said when we
were on Cheryl's podcast a couple months ago that this
wasn't really going to give you justice to the O'Keefe
family for what happened to John. So I think they
were just so focused on going after her instead of
actually trying to figure out what happened. And it's still
at the end of the day. I mean, she's not guilty,
(01:41):
but we still don't know what happened that day, and
that's problematic.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, Now I'm curious how it's gonna go because if
you're saying that she's not guilty, then in theory, you're
saying that someone else did this because you have an
open case now, right, or I mean, how's that work?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, it's interesting because because she was found not guilty,
but it doesn't necessarily mean she didn't do it. It
just means that the trial didn't prove that she did
it beyond reasonable doubt. So I find that really interesting.
But yeah, in theory, if she didn't do it, and
a lot of people really do think she didn't do it.
There is somebody that did, so like, is this going
(02:22):
to just like for everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Might be like, you know that, you know that sign
at that lawyer's office that's near our house that says
just because you did it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's
so sick, it's so slimy. But maybe I you know. So,
we are going to have a special episode about this
next week, and for those of you who aren't familiar
(02:46):
with this case, or if you are familiar, you're gonna
want to listen because we really went through this case,
like I said, a couple of months ago, with a
fine tooth comb, and I will give you my reasoning
for why I think that she honestly like it. I
don't really even think that she was involved in it
(03:07):
after her part of dropping him off. So I will
go through all of that, as far as what I
think from a scientific forensic pathology perspective of his time
and death and everything like that. So we'll go through that,
and Maria will go through all of the details of
the case, and obviously we'll fill you what's been going
(03:27):
on in court as well. Over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, because I want there was some weirdness today where
after twenty hours of deliberation, the jury had knocked on
the door and said they had a verdict, and then
a couple minutes later said they didn't, which everybody found
incredibly unusual. And then they have put that original verdict
slip in a sealed envelope, So I guess we're just
hoping they read the correct one when it came time.
But not even twenty minutes later they called everybody back
(03:54):
and then they had the real verdict that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It was such a weird filming too. They just had
this ceiling fan showing on the use for such a
long time. It was just really bizarre. And that judge
is just like, she's so salty. She was so salty.
What did she say at the end, Like, oh, so
she's just going to get a conviction of what any
other person would get as a first time offense.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, so what's important in this case is we talked
about like even though she it doesn't really seem like
she had murdered John o'keefer accidentally hit him with the car.
She was found guilty of operating under the influence, which
was important because she was apparently drunk driving and somebody
should be held responsible for that. So then when they
got to the sentencing phase and the judge was all salty,
(04:38):
and she's like, so are we gonna do it next
week or what? Then the prosecution had said they recommended
one year of probation because apparently that's the standard for
the offense. And that's when she was like, Okay, so
she's just getting what everybody else gets on their first
time offense.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
What should she get a special a special sentence just
because I mean, right, I mean yeah this, I mean, like,
listen that late. Like I said in the beginning, I
think that there's lots of people that just don't like
Karen Reid. They think that she's smugged, they think that
she's a terrible girlfriend. She was the text messages were
(05:16):
terrible to the guy. I mean, right, I understand she's
not a lovable character, but I'm sorry, you just cannot
avoid this shit show that went on when this guy
died and the investigation that followed up with it. Like,
she could be pissed off all she wants, but she
really should be pissed off at those people.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean this whole this case is sensationalized for
a reason. I mean you have watched investigation. It involves
the police department, You have all these cover ups going on.
Then you have a mistrial. Now this is her second trial.
It's like wasting all these people time in court, and
then this judge is salty the whole time. And then
there's the weirdness with the jury having the verdict and
then not having the verdict.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
We need to get a jury man on here. I know,
a GIRA that would be awesome. We actually need to
get Karen Reid on here. But that we'll get in
a line of six hundred people that are waiting to
talk to her. But yeah, they would be really cool
if we could talk to someone that was that was
intro or it really involved in the case, because I
would like to know what their opinions were. But obviously
(06:21):
they all came to a decision that this is like
even if she did hit him with the car, would
it doesn't seem like it ever was intentional or were
they trying to play it off like she did it
on purpose.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, that's why there was the option for second degree murder,
which would have meant she did it intentionally or manslaughter,
which is she did it accidentally because she was drunk,
And clearly they didn't think there was enough evidence to
prove that she did any of those, so at least
she is.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Why did they ever even think that they were going
to get her on on doing it intentionally like it
because she was fighting with him.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean, the thing is is I'd argue that, Yeah,
they're trying to say she did it intentionally because she
left him all those aggravating and angry like voicemails and
all those text messages.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Listen, like I I don't fight with my husband like
that even a little bit, but like my ex, oh
my god, like we used to get into it, Like
don't you think like that? I and trust me like
one of my really good friends, she's she used to
get in the craziest fights with with her boyfriend too,
(07:30):
like outrageous. So that happens in relationships, Like it's not good.
But people are in relationships like that and they don't
ever turn violent and people don't kill each other.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well, don't you think if she did kill him intentionally
and was aware of it instead of leaving him all
those voicemails calling him a perver and like a motherfucker
and whatever that. Don't you think she'd be like, hey, sweetie,
just wondering where you're at, not like you, asshole, where
are you? That's what you do when you're legitimately mad
and somebody's not answer in the phone.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, and she could have just I mean, I guess
in theory she could have did that to cover up
the murder. But like, I just never got that vibe ever, ever, ever,
And when I really went through his autopsy and the
autopsy findings, I just was like, this is such a
stretch which they're trying to prove it and it proves
(08:22):
absolutely nothing to me. And I was happy to see
that one of the medical examiners that testified finally said
what I was talking about, because I hadn't even really
heard anybody bring it up. And I think that it
was really important when it has to do with the
amount of time that that guy could have possibly been
laying there, and the timing was everything with that, because
(08:44):
there was proof of where she was because of her
GPS and their phone records and things like that. So
I'm excited to talk to you about this next week
so we could really get into it and everybody could hear,
you know, the full details of the case. So the
whole episode will be dedicated to this case.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, but I am just so interested that it came
back as not guilty. I for sure thought it was
gonna be another hung jury. And then like, where do
you go from there? Are they seriously gonna waste money
and try her third time? I mean, having her own trial,
even one time for second degree murder was so far
fetched and ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, I just I mean. And the sad part of
this whole case though, is that again it's it's the
same exact thing with Lacy Peterson and all these people.
It's like all of the attention is getting put on
the wrong place, which is that this victim is he's
still dead. He has he has a family, he has
(09:40):
doesn't he have the little that he was.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The caretaker for his siblings children that died.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, So I mean, and these poor kids lost their
parents and now they lost their uncle, their uncle, and
I feel bad for his family, and now they go
home and what did they do. I mean, listen when
they're watching this whole trial, I'm sure they hated her.
(10:06):
Because usually when your family member has a girlfriend or
a boyfriend or a husband or wife, whatever. That's not
treating your family member well. You usually don't like them anyway.
So they might not even have liked her from the
beginning when he was alive, if they knew anything about
their tumultuous relationship. But they have to feel a certain
(10:28):
kind of way when they hear all of all of
the evidence that comes out showing how shady shit went
down that day. I mean, they can't even if they
think she was involved in stuff. That has to make
them lose some faith in the system. And some of
these people involved with this were his friends.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, what now are they going to investigate the other
people involved with this now?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't I thought that they already cleared that, didn't
they They brought that up at some point and then
they were like, no, there was they evolved them. I
don't know, Like I.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Really doubt this case dies here. I mean, this is
gonna It's certainly going to be talked about for the
next couple of months, and I wouldn't be surprised if
they keep looking further into it. I mean, the family
deserves to have some answers. They can't just be left
in the darkest of what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I don't I'm not this is the thing, like, I'm
not sure they're ever really going to get answers. You know,
all you have right now, especially from his body, are photographs.
And you heard a couple of medical examiners had testified
and said completely different things about what they think that
they're looking at. There was one that was saying that
(11:42):
those marks on his arm were scratches, and other one
that saying that they're deep what could appear to be
claw marks. It's such a and that's two totally different
wounds that could be caused by two totally different things.
And then you had the crash test dummy doing a
certain thing, and this and that, and people saying yes,
(12:03):
lights could have caused it, No, lights didn't cause it,
a dog caused it, all this stuff. So you're never
really going to be able to get an answer unless
somebody confesses or more evidence comes forward, like a ring,
doorbell camera or something that proves more what happened.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Okay, well, next week we'll be back with you a
full length episode about what went down, all the details
of this case. We'll go over the autopsy, your theories,
what went down, the first trial, now this trial and
her conviction, and especially because we'll have a couple of
days to sit with some information, we could go over
everything in more detail with you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow for our normal
news episode, and then stay tuned next week for the
Karen Reid episode. Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
(12:59):
and pathol education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
(13:20):
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge
of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or
having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit
(13:43):
an urgent care center, emergency room or hospital. Please rate, review,
and subscribe to Mother knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
or anywhere you get podcasts. Thanks, say many
Hi, everyone, Welcome. The Mother knows that we have some
breaking news for you today.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We finally have a verdict and Karen Read's second trial,
and she is not guilty on second degree murder manslaughter
while upbraiding a vehicle under the influence and leaving the scene.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
All right, So what do you think about this? I'm
definitely not surprised.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm not surprised either, because they didn't have any good
evidence that proved that she did it. I mean, this
whole entire investigation was botched, and I think there was
definitely enough reasonable doubt that they couldn't confidently convict her.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, we really looked into this
case a couple of months ago, and I never thought
that they were going to be able to convict her.
And it's not I want to state that I'm not
one of these progue like what do they call it?
Free Karen Read people. I don't necessarily know if she
was involved or not, but all I'm saying is that
(00:58):
they whatever they were presenting surely was not convincing me
for sure. And also that, like Maria was saying, the
investigation was just so botched that there's no way that
they were going to be able to convict her on
what they had because of all the mistakes they made
initially in the investigation.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, and I think they just kind of had this
witch hunt after her. And I had said when we
were on Cheryl's podcast a couple months ago that this
wasn't really going to give you justice to the O'Keefe
family for what happened to John. So I think they
were just so focused on going after her instead of
actually trying to figure out what happened. And it's still
at the end of the day. I mean, she's not guilty,
(01:41):
but we still don't know what happened that day, and
that's problematic.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, Now I'm curious how it's gonna go because if
you're saying that she's not guilty, then in theory, you're
saying that someone else did this because you have an
open case now, right, or I mean, how's that work?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, it's interesting because because she was found not guilty,
but it doesn't necessarily mean she didn't do it. It
just means that the trial didn't prove that she did
it beyond reasonable doubt. So I find that really interesting.
But yeah, in theory, if she didn't do it, and
a lot of people really do think she didn't do it.
There is somebody that did, so like, is this going
(02:22):
to just like for everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Might be like, you know that, you know that sign
at that lawyer's office that's near our house that says
just because you did it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's
so sick, it's so slimy. But maybe I you know. So,
we are going to have a special episode about this
next week, and for those of you who aren't familiar
(02:46):
with this case, or if you are familiar, you're gonna
want to listen because we really went through this case,
like I said, a couple of months ago, with a
fine tooth comb, and I will give you my reasoning
for why I think that she honestly like it. I
don't really even think that she was involved in it
(03:07):
after her part of dropping him off. So I will
go through all of that, as far as what I
think from a scientific forensic pathology perspective of his time
and death and everything like that. So we'll go through that,
and Maria will go through all of the details of
the case, and obviously we'll fill you what's been going
(03:27):
on in court as well. Over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, because I want there was some weirdness today where
after twenty hours of deliberation, the jury had knocked on
the door and said they had a verdict, and then
a couple minutes later said they didn't, which everybody found
incredibly unusual. And then they have put that original verdict
slip in a sealed envelope, So I guess we're just
hoping they read the correct one when it came time.
But not even twenty minutes later they called everybody back
(03:54):
and then they had the real verdict that.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It was such a weird filming too. They just had
this ceiling fan showing on the use for such a
long time. It was just really bizarre. And that judge
is just like, she's so salty. She was so salty.
What did she say at the end, Like, oh, so
she's just going to get a conviction of what any
other person would get as a first time offense.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
No, so what's important in this case is we talked
about like even though she it doesn't really seem like
she had murdered John o'keefer accidentally hit him with the car.
She was found guilty of operating under the influence, which
was important because she was apparently drunk driving and somebody
should be held responsible for that. So then when they
got to the sentencing phase and the judge was all salty,
(04:38):
and she's like, so are we gonna do it next
week or what? Then the prosecution had said they recommended
one year of probation because apparently that's the standard for
the offense. And that's when she was like, Okay, so
she's just getting what everybody else gets on their first
time offense.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
What should she get a special a special sentence just
because I mean, right, I mean yeah this, I mean, like,
listen that late. Like I said in the beginning, I
think that there's lots of people that just don't like
Karen Reid. They think that she's smugged, they think that
she's a terrible girlfriend. She was the text messages were
(05:16):
terrible to the guy. I mean, right, I understand she's
not a lovable character, but I'm sorry, you just cannot
avoid this shit show that went on when this guy
died and the investigation that followed up with it. Like,
she could be pissed off all she wants, but she
really should be pissed off at those people.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean this whole this case is sensationalized for
a reason. I mean you have watched investigation. It involves
the police department, You have all these cover ups going on.
Then you have a mistrial. Now this is her second trial.
It's like wasting all these people time in court, and
then this judge is salty the whole time. And then
there's the weirdness with the jury having the verdict and
then not having the verdict.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
We need to get a jury man on here. I know,
a GIRA that would be awesome. We actually need to
get Karen Reid on here. But that we'll get in
a line of six hundred people that are waiting to
talk to her. But yeah, they would be really cool
if we could talk to someone that was that was
intro or it really involved in the case, because I
would like to know what their opinions were. But obviously
(06:21):
they all came to a decision that this is like
even if she did hit him with the car, would
it doesn't seem like it ever was intentional or were
they trying to play it off like she did it
on purpose.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, that's why there was the option for second degree murder,
which would have meant she did it intentionally or manslaughter,
which is she did it accidentally because she was drunk,
And clearly they didn't think there was enough evidence to
prove that she did any of those, so at least
she is.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Why did they ever even think that they were going
to get her on on doing it intentionally like it
because she was fighting with him.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I mean, the thing is is I'd argue that, Yeah,
they're trying to say she did it intentionally because she
left him all those aggravating and angry like voicemails and
all those text messages.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Listen, like I I don't fight with my husband like
that even a little bit, but like my ex, oh
my god, like we used to get into it, Like
don't you think like that? I and trust me like
one of my really good friends, she's she used to
get in the craziest fights with with her boyfriend too,
(07:30):
like outrageous. So that happens in relationships, Like it's not good.
But people are in relationships like that and they don't
ever turn violent and people don't kill each other.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well, don't you think if she did kill him intentionally
and was aware of it instead of leaving him all
those voicemails calling him a perver and like a motherfucker
and whatever that. Don't you think she'd be like, hey, sweetie,
just wondering where you're at, not like you, asshole, where
are you? That's what you do when you're legitimately mad
and somebody's not answer in the phone.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, and she could have just I mean, I guess
in theory she could have did that to cover up
the murder. But like, I just never got that vibe ever, ever, ever,
And when I really went through his autopsy and the
autopsy findings, I just was like, this is such a
stretch which they're trying to prove it and it proves
(08:22):
absolutely nothing to me. And I was happy to see
that one of the medical examiners that testified finally said
what I was talking about, because I hadn't even really
heard anybody bring it up. And I think that it
was really important when it has to do with the
amount of time that that guy could have possibly been
laying there, and the timing was everything with that, because
(08:44):
there was proof of where she was because of her
GPS and their phone records and things like that. So
I'm excited to talk to you about this next week
so we could really get into it and everybody could hear,
you know, the full details of the case. So the
whole episode will be dedicated to this case.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, but I am just so interested that it came
back as not guilty. I for sure thought it was
gonna be another hung jury. And then like, where do
you go from there? Are they seriously gonna waste money
and try her third time? I mean, having her own trial,
even one time for second degree murder was so far
fetched and ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, I just I mean. And the sad part of
this whole case though, is that again it's it's the
same exact thing with Lacy Peterson and all these people.
It's like all of the attention is getting put on
the wrong place, which is that this victim is he's
still dead. He has he has a family, he has
(09:40):
doesn't he have the little that he was.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
The caretaker for his siblings children that died.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, So I mean, and these poor kids lost their
parents and now they lost their uncle, their uncle, and
I feel bad for his family, and now they go
home and what did they do. I mean, listen when
they're watching this whole trial, I'm sure they hated her.
(10:06):
Because usually when your family member has a girlfriend or
a boyfriend or a husband or wife, whatever. That's not
treating your family member well. You usually don't like them anyway.
So they might not even have liked her from the
beginning when he was alive, if they knew anything about
their tumultuous relationship. But they have to feel a certain
(10:28):
kind of way when they hear all of all of
the evidence that comes out showing how shady shit went
down that day. I mean, they can't even if they
think she was involved in stuff. That has to make
them lose some faith in the system. And some of
these people involved with this were his friends.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, what now are they going to investigate the other
people involved with this now?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
I don't I thought that they already cleared that, didn't
they They brought that up at some point and then
they were like, no, there was they evolved them. I
don't know, Like I.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Really doubt this case dies here. I mean, this is
gonna It's certainly going to be talked about for the
next couple of months, and I wouldn't be surprised if
they keep looking further into it. I mean, the family
deserves to have some answers. They can't just be left
in the darkest of what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I don't I'm not this is the thing, like, I'm
not sure they're ever really going to get answers. You know,
all you have right now, especially from his body, are photographs.
And you heard a couple of medical examiners had testified
and said completely different things about what they think that
they're looking at. There was one that was saying that
(11:42):
those marks on his arm were scratches, and other one
that saying that they're deep what could appear to be
claw marks. It's such a and that's two totally different
wounds that could be caused by two totally different things.
And then you had the crash test dummy doing a
certain thing, and this and that, and people saying yes,
(12:03):
lights could have caused it, No, lights didn't cause it,
a dog caused it, all this stuff. So you're never
really going to be able to get an answer unless
somebody confesses or more evidence comes forward, like a ring,
doorbell camera or something that proves more what happened.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Okay, well, next week we'll be back with you a
full length episode about what went down, all the details
of this case. We'll go over the autopsy, your theories,
what went down, the first trial, now this trial and
her conviction, and especially because we'll have a couple of
days to sit with some information, we could go over
everything in more detail with you guys.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow for our normal
news episode, and then stay tuned next week for the
Karen Reid episode. Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
(12:59):
and pathol education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
(13:20):
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge
of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
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