December 23, 2025 • 38 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by actress Cara Buono, best known for her powerful portrayal of Karen Wheeler on Netflix’s cultural phenomenon Stranger Things. With a career spanning decades across film and television Cara has become known for bringing depth, strength, and emotional nuance to every role she takes on—especially in the world of Hawkins.
She dives deep into her most unforgettable Stranger Things moments, including the iconic wine bottle scene, the physical demands of filming, and what it truly means to be part of such a beloved story. Cara also reflects on career twists that led her to the show, from losing a role to landing one that would change everything. Plus, she shares what she’s most proud of in this role, her thoughts on the show’s future, and a side of her journey she’s never talked about before.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy Di Dario, I can never look at a winebottle
the same way again. The brilliant Kara Bono is my
guest today who plays Karen Wheeler in Stranger Things. And
when I tell you that her face off with the
demo organ is one of the best performances I have
ever seen, I'm not kidding. She was every single one
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of us in that moment who would do anything to
protect someone we love. She is easily one of the
most talked about parts of this final season of Stranger Things,
and for good reason. So as we get ready for
part two to drop, we are reflecting on her epic journey,
this standout season for her and all the breadcrumbs that
she clocked along the way of filming Stranger Things without
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knowing exactly how everything was going to turn out. It's
so cool to see her talk about all these moving
pieces and we get to see a side to Kara
that she doesn't often show, but one that is very
much relatable, and I am just so grateful for her vulnerability.
It truly made me feel seen, and I hope it
does the same for you. So let's see if today
we can get Kara to say something that she has
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never said before. Kara, my friend, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm great, I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm so happy to have you. You have been on
a whirlwind. Are you okay? Have you slept? Have you eaten? Like?
How you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I'm a little tired, but in the best way. I
think I'm maybe fighting a little something, but I'm going
to beat it. Okay, Yeah, it's not going to take
me down.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Good, good, Well, this is your moment, This is your moment.
I watched you, obviously in part one of The Stranger Things,
and I was jumping up and down at my television.
My husband Gio and I were like, this has got
to be one of the greatest performances we've ever seen
in our entire life. Wow, Like literally you versus that
Dema Gorgon. I'm going on a record and saying one
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of the greatest performances we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Wow, thank you, I mean thank you. I don't know
what else to say to that. I mean, I you know,
I've had a little bit of time to reflect on
the reaction to it, which has been really nice. I mean,
I think, you know, I've been acting for a long time,
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and I especially with stranger things, you get to meet
a lot of amazing fans, especially the young fans, and
people really responded so emotionally to to the to the scene,
and I've met a lot of people who were very
moved emotionally by it. A lot of parents actually who
were saying that they were brought to tears by it,
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which I didn't expect because I think, you know, it's
a cool, fierce moment, and of course she's protecting her daughter.
But I think it really it really sparked something in
people about you know, something when somebody does something that's
unexpected makes them reflect on maybe what they're also capable
of doing. So I think it may have touched a
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nerve and people that way as well.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, I could totally see that. And the emotions you
brought were so raw. I mean, what did you have
to dig into in that moment to bring those emotions
to life.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, you know, a lot of it obviously was getting
the technical aspects of the stabbing and the fighting and
the ferocity of that and when the Duffers. I don't
really usually watch playback, but I just started doing it
because a lot it was very technical, so I wanted
to see it. And then we were done and they said, oh,
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we got it, and I watched a take. I said,
can I just do one more take? And I don't
know if they use this one, but I think they
used it. And I said, you know what, I feel
like something's missing, like the ferocities there and sort of
the mechanics of it. But I felt like I wanted
to sort of tap into a deeper emotion doing it.
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You know, that maybe brought up a lot more history
for her. So I did this one extra take where
I thought I just kind of plugged that in a bit,
and then they said, okay, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So I don't know ultimately in the editing room that
was the one that they used, but that was important
to me that there was an emotional layer to that
moment as well.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
The stay away from my daughter line. I mean, that's
a line that said, probably incorrectly or the wrong way,
could make or break the scene because it could come
off cheesy or inauthentic, but you delivered. I mean, the
night before, are you going over that line in your head?
Are you practicing in a mirror are you just kind
of surrender day of and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I didn't practice beforehand. You know, we did a lot
of takes, so I did deliver it a lot of
different ways. You know, there were somewhere I was more
bigger with it. It just just kind of unfolded in
the moment. I think, you know, an actor, you just
kind of see how it's unfolding and you kind of
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go with it and trust that you have good directors
watching you, so you're collaborating. And I really trusted the
Duffers in that way to kind of have the same
idea the tempo of the scene, and I did. I
did want to say stay away from my daughter, you bitch,
like a Riley moment, an alien like a little homage,
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but they said they would never use that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I wanted to say.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That, Yeah, you didn't even do one take like that?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Did I do one take? I did one take, But
it was just, uh, it was for me.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That is cool though. That would have been really cool,
But how it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Was was especially calling it demogorgon, you bitch.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Can you imagine the Demogorgan's a man? Maybe it's not
a man. Maybe the Demogorgan's a female. We don't know, right,
I just.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Thought about this, that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We know that what like is demo Gorgon male female,
non binary.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's a good point, right, so your bitch would have worked,
could have worked, It could have worked, It could have worked. Well,
what's so cool is it was also the super long
scene right, like you're watching you go through all of
these these extremes from the bathtub to then the fight scene.
So what in the world were you feeling doing all
of that.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, as an actor, I just put myself in
the moment of it. So there's sort of two minds working.
There's a technical aspect, right, make sure I hit my mark.
I also have an eye on Nell as sort of
like even though she's a pro and doesn't need any help.
But I also felt like, you know, almost keeping an
extra eye out for her, like when we're running. So
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there's this technical mind that I have about just making
sure all of that's working with the camera, and you know,
I just for me, not that I don't do a
lot of preparation. I do sort of quiet preparation in
my mind, like thinking about someone or a story, and
but I just kind of get to set, and you know,
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if I know my lines, you know, backwards and forwards
or what I'm supposed to do, and just I'm just
really in the moment, and it's almost like playing.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like a child.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
If you really believe what's happening, it should unfold the
way it's supposed to. So just when they say action
and there's a demogorgan, it's seeing the demogorgan and believing
that it's there. So I'm just trying to be truthful
in the moment and make sure I hit all the
technical aspects as well.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
How long did that all take you to film, especially
being underwater in the bathtub? How long was that?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So that was shot on a separate day, and we
had a rehearsal in the tank to sort of practice,
you know, how buoyant would be, you know, what parts
of our body would rise, and how to hold nell
and and how.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Long we could hold our breath. And we could hold
our breath for a very long time. And so that was.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
A separate day.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Then of course we connected it to the actual scene
in the bathtub right where we had a up on
the set.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think the whole thing took seven days.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
When it was all you know, separately in the shooting
days of it, putting it all together in all the
different small.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Beats, and it's amazing. You don't get injured in something
like that. I know the choreography is so precise, but
you're running, you're sliding, your bloody, your wet, like, no injuries.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I got a.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Little injured in my shoulder from the repetition of the
stabbing motion. Oh yeah, that was because one of the
surfaces was a little harder than it should have been.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But it's okay, nothing permanent.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was worth it, yes, it was worth it. So
for anyone out there who might be coming across around
Dema gorgan one day, what are your top three tips
for smashing a wine bottle and attacking a demic gorgan? Like,
what do you have to do to make it really work?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you ever see a Demi gorgon in your house?
I have to say, Also, let's give it up to
Ted Wheeler. He didn't run away. You know, we make
fun of.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Ted, but he he could have run, he could.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Have turned and you know, high tailed it out of there.
He also fought back, true, right, Okay, So if you
see Demi Gorgon in your house and you have a
wine bottle, smash it, aim for the face, aim for right,
for the center. I just don't think it'll turn out
so well. But you'll feel really proud of yourself putting
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up a good fight. Or you could take the wine
bottle intact and run and try to get away and
drink it, kind of pretend it didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, that might be more my speed, to be honest,
I would be my speed. We've been talking about the
scene so much because it really is such a pivotal
and important scene in this chapter, in this final season,
and I feel like for your character over the years,
we haven't seen a ton of these moments from her right,
and we've wanted to because I personally, i'll speak for myself,
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have seen moments inside of her like this was it
season three, episode four, I think when you're her and
the shown Nancy had a problem with the newspaper, was
an editor and there was sexism, and you gave this
beautiful speech, and there was a scene about you know,
how the world might be after you, and I forget
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the word you use it.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
She says to Nancy, you know the world will try
to kind of tear you down and hold your back,
but don't let them do no, don't let them succeed.
And you know you've always been a fighter because I
don't know where you got it from.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And Nancy says, oh, I got it from you, mom. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And I think that throughout the seasons, we've seen Karen
be the pillar of the family, a bit of a
comedic relief, and we've seen just sort of glimpses into
her right like sort of unfulfilled marriage and being there
for her kids, providing that domestic security, and little glimpses
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in that conversation, particularly where she's about to say something
about her life, but we don't see it right. You know,
as an actor, you fill in the blanks. You try
to give your care or a full life. Everything you do,
you try to bring some subtext backstory that you may
never you know, may never share, or may never come
to fruition, right. But it's for you to make everything
as full as possible. And then I think when you
(11:14):
see you get to see Karen, you know, you see
her drunk at the beginning of this season, you know,
so you see more.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think a lot of the characters have a lot
more dark elements. They've been under quarantine for two years. Right,
we see Dustin still.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Heavy about Eddie, and I think the audience is not
really surprised about Karen kind of says, oh, yeah, Karen
would definitely step into this moment and just know what
to do, right, just kind of say, Okay, what do
I have here? I'm here, I have to protect my daughter.
Oh there's a wine bottle. I'm going to make this,
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you know, almost like let's make a homemade weapon.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
She's like a you know, mix things, some scratch and
she breaks that wine bottle and no fear, just does
whatever she can do. And I think she's an ordinary
person put into an extraordinary circumstance.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah. Yeah, And to your point, we did see those
little nuggets of wisdom. That scene I mentioned earlier really
stood out to me in my mind. Limitations was I
think the word your character use talking about the limitations
the world puts on you. And here you are fast
forward to this moment. So that must have been just
so liberating for you and such a cool thing to
do as a.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Nice when it circles back, Yeah that way, Yeah, you know,
and the Duffers also do that with you know, baby
Holly in season one, because you know how the demo
Gorgon comes for her at the end. If you remember
in season one when we're at Joyce's house and she
wanders off and the handstarts.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To reach through the wall to get Holly.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
When she's little, and now we've seen in season five
is coming together those all these thoughts that get connected
in the end.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, you mentioned things that you kind of tell yourself
over the course of filming to inform your character that
we don't get to see, and that helps you get
to a place where you are having this epic showdown battle.
Is there something and I know it's probably very personal
what you create for your character over the years, but
is there something you created for her that you would
want to share today that maybe we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I did this whole timeline of life.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
She went to school, and I had her wanting to
go to law school, and then she got pregnant and
you know, put all of her dreams aside to raise
her family, and that she wanted to be a lawyer,
and she thought she was really good with you know,
arguing like she wanted to be a defense attorney or
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something like that. That's sort of what I thought she
might do. Yeah, I think that something I've said at
the beginning when I Karen was, you know, extremely clueless
about what's going on in town. You know, she's never
part of the storyline or never really comments on all
of the major tragedies that are happening. That I decided
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to have her drink so that kind of anesthetize herself,
or just like she was a functioning alcoholic, which kind
of led to the wine in season five. So as
an actor, you know, you try to give yourself things
even if no one else knows about it, just like, Okay, well,
how can I make this reel for myself? Or how
can I justify this for myself? Or how can I
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make this fun for me too? Like this is my
little thing that I'm doing for myself. And I ended
up becoming a big part.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Of season five.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You didn't know how big of a part she would
be one day when you signed on, right like everything's
always kept in.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
The dark, you know, the Duffers had said, oh, Karen
is gonna be, you know, play a big part and
have a pivotal role. And I didn't know what that
meant or how that changed along the way. But I
just loved the show so much that I was I
just loved being part of the show that even if
it didn't happen. I mean, I know some other actors
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would not say that, but I really gravitate towards stories
and being part of, you know, wonderful stories. I did
this film Let Me In, that was based on that
movie Let the Right One In, and it was a
remake and they said, well, listen, it's a really good part.
You're like this drunk, alcoholic mom of the lead guy,
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but your face is going to be obscured.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So basically it's like, do this role, do all the acting,
but we're really not going.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
To see you, right, And he put me through this
pretty long audition process for it, I remember, but I
just loved, like, I want to be able to do
that and be part of this movie. Right, Maybe I
should have a bigger ego, I be more ambitious, but
I was just so proud to be part of that movie,
and as an actor, I was playing those scenes right,
(15:50):
and I did all the things.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I would do if I wasn't obscured.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So that's how I kind of go about choosing things
like being part of really good stories, whether it's like
a short film or a big movie or an indie film,
and it's just just creatively fulfilling for me.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah. Well, your work speaks for itself, and that's probably
why you do resonate in such big ways with the audiences.
You focus on what matters, right, and you just let
the work unfold how it's going to unfold, and do
the job that you're here to do. Well.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You also can't control. You can really can control a
lot of things you can't in life. You can't control anything, right,
Let's just be honest. Yeah, so you think you can.
You think you're making all these choices in your career, right,
You think, oh, I want to you hope to have
a direction, right, you hoped you a plan for yourself
of what you'd like to do. But it's also you
(16:42):
know what's coming down the pipeline, right, and maybe what
you create and timing and where you are and so
many circumstances. So you'd like to think you're the architect
of your career. And sure, if you have many choices,
you can say, okay, well I picked one of these
three choices and this worked out for me.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But you also don't know how it's going to work.
Out too, right.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
So before I got Stranger Things, I was on at
a very good role on a pilot that was going
to be big hit, right, and it was like a
pediatric oncologist.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
She was like also like troubled with you know not
she was also drinking or something like Oh, this is
a great role, right, And I got replaced.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
But even though I got replaced, I read about it
and I was like, did this really happen? And I
got replaced with a very hot swimsuit model and I
was I was I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
My gosh, like how this is? This is?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know, I was excited to be on this show
and this was such a good role, and it was
a recurring role, so it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like they had to really inform me. And I was
very upset.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But if I hadn't gotten replaced on that show, I
wouldn't have been available for Stranger Things, which came along
a month later. So while I was very I was
like crying about this role, it's you know.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It worked out.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, so you never know what's meant to be
for you.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, And then I almost a decade later, You're on
one of the hottest shows in the world. You know,
not just any show. I mean, the show means so
much to so many people, and there's a lot of
mixed emotions with the rest of the season coming out
because people are excited but they're not ready to say goodbye.
Do you remember the final scene you shot and were
you just a mess? Like I don't think i'd be
(18:23):
able to function?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yes, I mean I'm very nostalgic anyway, and I love
watching the kids grow up, and I know this was
a special show having been on other shows and been
acting as long as I have, so I know this
will never come along again, you know. And I was
in day one, scene one, take one back in twenty fifteen.
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It was October of twenty fifteen. And then I was
in the last day, the last scene I think second
or third to last shot of the whole series. It
was very, very emotional. Our families were there, my husband
and daughter were there, and I had two lines that
I could barely get out. Seriously, I mean, I think
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it's some of the worst acting I've ever done, very
simple lines, and I remember, you know, it's like an
outer body experience, like, Okay, this is the last time
I'm going to speak on this show.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
This is the end. We're all winding down, And like I.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Said, I'm very nostalgic, so I was also like trying
to also take in every bit of what was happening,
and yeah, it'll always be a profound experience in my life.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So yeah, when we had a party afterwards and they
let down all this confetti and music and balloons and yeah,
and it's interesting having the show come out now and
it's really heading toward the end with the finale, so
it's almost like it's still our little secret, but it's
getting out.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Is it like a grief period all over again? Because
I imagine you kind of had to grieve a little
bit in whatever way you did then, especially if you're
a nostalgic person, because I'm the same way. So do
you do you go through that again?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It was it was sort of you know when it
ended and I, you know, packed up from Atlanta and
came back to New York, and they're sort of like,
oh who am I now?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Like what am I doing?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And you know, even if you start working again, and
then I was like, okay, you.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Know, it's kind of over and now it's looking forward.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And as it started to come out again, you start
kind of going back into it, but it's more fun
now because you're seeing the reaction of the fans and
so that's it's really exciting to see how the world
is is experiencing it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, we're ready. We're ready for the rest. So parts,
who's coming out?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Then?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The final episode's coming out? I know you can't say
basically anything, but what three words would you describe what's
coming out?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, the trailer dropped today, so.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Unexpected epic and moving to the very end.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Will we potentially get another badass moment from you?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Hmmm? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Karen is in the hospital right as we last saw her.
She's she's in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Mm hmm, she's recovering.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, uh huh.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
She's recovering. What do you want me to say?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Do you see all the theories online like that people
have because there are so many? Do you see there
are probably, I don't know, let's say a thousand different
theories people have. I have my own theory about you. Oh,
you want to know my theory. I think that your
character is potentially Henry's sister.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Oh do you see I've seen that theory. That's a
good theory because so the poster from season four.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, not just that, I think. I mean, he's gone
after both your daughters. Now, that's true, and I feel like,
based off flashbacks and high school things we've seen of
you guys back then, like you're probably on the same age.
So I just think, oh, yeah, that that could be
a possibility. And maybe somehow the name got erased and
the identity change. Who knows in that world how, but
(22:25):
I think it could be a very big possibility.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Do you know that?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Pad pad right where they do fan fiction and they
do they take stories and then they make their own
story based on the lore. I think that would be
a good I'd love to see someone do that out there,
to like make the the Henry Creole sister story.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
See what happens.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I'm sticking by it. We'll see, we will see. And
it's interesting because things in the Broadway play tie back
to them, to the serious I've seen the Broadway show.
It's fantastic, and there have been things where I've been like, oh,
wait a minute, and not even these big moments in
the Broadway play. It just kind of like they sneak
things in and then you have to think about it,
like Henry in the cave, you know, they're those tie in.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And also going way back to World War Two. Yeah,
the dad, I mean that was so fascinating to me,
like how far back it went, and also seeing everybody
in high school and what.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
They were like. Yeah, very very different. I mean not
all very different.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think Joyce has got the similar you know, spark
and verve that she has now and my characters. She
she's a wild cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I love that what happened to her.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's a good's It is cool to see those those
glimpses from the past. Yeah, you know what I was wondering.
I was wondering if your character's child got taken originally
like Will did. Oh, yeah, how you think she possibly
would have reacted in that moment because she's not where
she is now, So how do you think she would
(24:02):
have handled that?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I think if I think she just she would have
acted like Joyce. I think that any like, if your
kid's taken, you're not going to sit back and wait
for other people to try to find your kid. Or
I think we just would have seen what we see
now in season five and season one. I do believe
that because I just don't think that that would be
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okay with her. She would be fiercely looking for let's
say they stole Mike, you know, stole Mike, you know,
Mike Gut disappeared, or Nancy or well, baby Holly would
have been you know, that'd be very hard because she
was three when it started.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
But yeah, I think she just would.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Have been as fierce and as unrelenting as Joyce was
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I love that moment with Joyce the season too, where
she stood in front to protect her kid from you know,
Rechna and the demo Organs. And there's a lot of
powerful female moments.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
There, really are you know, the moms don't back down.
Moms are not afraid. The moms are Yeah, I love that,
the Duffers, you know, see that in the in the
moms and the women and Nancy and everybody, you know,
Max e eighty, everybody. I mean, no one's afraid. Actually,
no one is afraid. None of the characters are afraid. Right,
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this is a town full of really courageous people.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, if you think about it.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But I think that like shows, just I think what
speaks people love about the show is like, you know,
if you love people, you'll do anything for them right there,
your friends or your family, and you won't back down
and you'll band together.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, it's a true story of love. And I also
think the nostalgia is so comforting and people love that.
Even generations that dinner grow up in that time period
are interested in and want to explore it. And you know,
like you said, you're a nostalgic person, I'm the same way.
Have you ever seen Inside Out Too? Oh yeah, you
know the little granny that pops in like four times
in the movie and she's like, I'm nostalgia and like leaves,
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that is me, Like that is deeply me on every level.
So I get you on that. I totally totally get
you up that. Yeah, is there something from your character
you had to bring home?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I did want to bring home the broken wine bottle.
And at the last day I was asking props. I said, hey,
can I bring home the prop? And they kept ignoring
me and saying.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah, I just just check in with the office.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
In a couple of weeks, and I said, okay, well,
why can't I just take it now? And the Duffers
had taken the prop and framed it for me as
a as a rap gift. So they kind of read
my mind and made it quite beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Oh how nice is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And that's what I took.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Well, now I'm looking at another bottle of wine right here. Yes,
this is your baby. You're a new company, You're a
new venture. Was this inspired by your character?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Well, it's funny because I'm Italian, you're Italian. And my
grandpa came over as an immigrant and he used to
make wine in our basement, and when I was growing up,
he would mix wine and seven up and we'd dip
some bread in it. So I grew up loving wine
from a really young age. And when I met my husband,
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he was working at Mackensey, but he was working for
Gallo and he's a big wine lover, and it was
something we've kind of talked about. And then when the
whole wine thing happened with Karen, it just kind of
seemed like this has been brewing and this might be like.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
The perfect time.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
And my grandmother's name is Katavia, who I'm named after,
which means dear life and life imitating our imitating life,
and it's called Katavita Wines and our Chardenay sardenay' is
the first first wine we're launching, the Killer Shardenay.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We thought it would be a fun nod right before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I love this. I can't wait to try this.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's for you.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm oh good because I was going to steal it.
It looks really good. So you'll have more coming out.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yes, yes, you can get it at Caravita Wines.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Dot does a demo Gorgon prefer red or white?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, Karen drinks white.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
She drinks jarnay because she doesn't want to spill it
on her rug. I was very clear about that. And
you would think the demo would probably red because of
you know, with the blood.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
But I think the demo would enjoy the Charnay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, very excited.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Somo might need a martini right.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Something, maybe a little stronger strong. Gorgan's a little busy.
How proud are you of this role? And I guess
when you look back collectively at everything you've done with
this role, what are you the most proud of?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I love doing what I do and I every day
when I'm on set, and.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm no saint.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's not like I have perfect days, you know, but
I I just feel so lucky to be an actor
still and do what I'm doing for so long, And
if I had to be proud of something is sort
of just how I'm just so grateful that I don't
take any of it for granted.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
There is no moment.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
If I get to set early before everyone, I just think, Wow,
I still get to do this. I still get to
be on a set and play, and this is my job.
I know a lot of people don't have choices and what.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They do in a career. I mean, we're lucky if
we are.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Born into a circumstance where we get to really choose
what we want to do in life. You know, my
grandparents didn't. Both my parents really didn't do what they
wanted to do in life because they had to provide
for us or work certain jobs just to live right.
So it's not lost on me that I get to
do a really fun job that I love with a
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lot of great people. So maybe just not losing sight
of how blessed I am to do this. I know
it sounds kind of corny, and but.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I just feel that way. No, I really truly feel
that way.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't think it does sound corny. I think it's
very obvious to me from this conversation. You lead your
life with gratitude, and I think that it's something very
easy to lose sight of in the hamster race of
what we all do, no matter what industry you're in,
no matter what career. It's like, Okay, we're just getting
up going, getting up going, and to stop and reflect
and actually have those moments of, oh my god, how
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cool that I get to do this. Well.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
You know a lot of people will say, oh, gosh,
you've worked like an eighteen hour day and aren't you tired.
I go, sure, I'm tired, but I'm not, you know,
not like a pediatric oncologist in a night shift, you know,
with children dying of cancer. I'm not working in the
coal mines, you know, Like I'm not putting my work
down at any way. Like, sure it's hard and it's
(30:46):
long hours, but there's also really hard work. Like my
dad was a mechanic and left for work at you know,
four in the morning to go from the Bronx to
Queens to work in a garage and all weather, you know,
on the road, Like that's hard work.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And he never complained. I have never heard him complain
a day in his life until the end, so you know,
and I'm not saying listen, I have not like I
haven't complaining about things, not like human person.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I have my days where I like bitch about things.
You know, of course, like I'm human, but I also
like take a step back and go, yeah, I understand, Yeah,
I'm very blessed.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, well that's a good perspective to walk through life with, right,
it really is. I am very excited for this question.
It's the question I ask everyone at the end of
my show. And I'm excited because you're a very thoughtful person.
And the show is obviously called I've never said this before,
and it was born because I interview a lot of
people at red carpet premieres and junkets, which you know
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all about, and you get two minutes with someone and
they're rushed, and they're very unnatural circumstances, and half the
time you guys feel weird. Half the time we feel weird.
It's just a very unnatural way to talk to somebody.
So that's how this was born. I bring people on
and have longer form and give you guys a chance
to say something, and there's no right or wrong answer.
It's whatever it means to you. It's whatever is on
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your mind, or something you've wanted to say and never
had the chance, or anything. So what is one thing
you've never said before that you want to say tonight?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Gosh, well, I have this funny thing. But then I
was just thinking about when my dad passed away. So
I don't know which one did I tell the funny
thing about the bronx.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm intrigued about the dad? Oh as a family man?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
So we were just talking about my dad who never
complained and said so just got me thinking that I've
never said this before, but when he was the only
time he complained was when he was dying.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
He goes, dying is hard.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This made me think about that.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh wow, Yeah, was that weird for you to hear
him complain after never hearing that?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, because like he never complained about anything.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh yeah, oh so I guess that was the only
time he complained. M Yeah, they didn't want to like
leave my mom.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And yeah yeah Italian parents. Yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's funny because I thought I really obsessed about this question,
and I was like, what am I going to say.
What am I going to say? I don't even know
what to say.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And I had this funny story about stealing cheese doodles
from the deli when I was growing up, Like I've
never told that story before, and then it made me think, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Well, thank you for sharing that that. I'm I'm I'm
someone who holds people very close who have passed in
my life. And I actually just did an episode last
week about grief during the holidays. Yeah, and I lost
someone very dear to me this year and it's hit
me very hard. So I think the fact that you're
here today talking about someone that means something to you
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and keeping that memory alive is something that will resonate
with a lot of people. And I thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, especially during the holidays.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Especially during the holidays. So I feel you. I tremendously
feel you. Thank you for sharing this surprising.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Oh I never cry.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Thank you. I wish we had to give you somewhere
around here, But thank you seriously for opening up about that.
I know he's very proud of you. I know, I know,
I know who could.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But he was so funny because he would say, like, oh, don't.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Cry, don't be sad tough Italian huh.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's like, don't be sad when I die.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
But yeah yeah yeah, it never leaves you right, and
there'll be good moments and bad moments. Yeah's all part
of it.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I say the thing about grief which is interesting. It
surprises you. Yeah, you know, it takes you. Buy It's
like sometimes someone will die and you don't really feel
it at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You're think, well, what's wrong with me?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I don't feel anything, or you feel angry or almost
you start laughing because it's an uncomfortable feeling, right, and
we laugh when we're uncomfortable, and then like you'll be somewhere.
Like I had a good friend who died in my twenties.
He was my brother's best friend. And I was really
angry about it because I was like, why him, Why
so young?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And I never cried. I never cried.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And a year later I was up at Fairway shopping
for cheese, and I was like looking at the cheese
and I thought of him, and I just started crying
in fair Away because I thought he'll never eat cheese again.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And I started bawling. And you know how firemen shopped
together to do like their big shop to cook together.
There were all these there was someone from a fire.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
There were all these firemen shopping and they had like
a cart full of food and they saw me crying.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
They're like, miss are you okay? What's wrong? And I'm
like bawling. I'm like I'm sorry. It was like a
scene out of a movie with like four firemen, yeah,
going like what's wrong with you? What's happened? Because and
then I couldn't even talk and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's the cheese.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Cheese.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
He'll never eat cheese again. And my friend was like
you she's laughing because she's like, oh my gosh, this
is so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I'm embarrassed for you. And I was trying to explain
to them. But the other thing I found about Greek
when you do up is you give people permission to.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Also share a story about grieving.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, because I remember when I stopped grieving, one of
the fire minutes said, you know, I lost somebody, and
then he told me his story and the cheese department
and sort of like this grief fest in the cheese
department at fair Way and you'all feel a little weird
and awkward, but you know, it's one of these things
where it's just very human.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It is, it is, and this is why I love
the show, because when would you ever say that everyone
out of Oh, well, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Seen it, I've heard it here, you got me?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Well, thank you, no, honestly, thank you for sharing it.
I think it's it's these are the moments that fill
my soul and why I do what I do. I
don't care who artists are sleeping with, how much their
house costs. I don't care about any of that. I
care about the human and human stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Some people respond to that, and that's why you're, you know,
so popular. And I think in like a world of
so much, where our attention is so short, there's so
much to try to take our attention, that people are
always looking for, you know, real human connection, and we
all seek that out.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I think, yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I hope the next time we meet will be drinking
some wine.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yes, I hope you enjoy it. To let me know.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I will let you know. I'm going to open this
baby tonight. Okay, so I don't usually drink on a
Monday night, but I am going to have some wine tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Why not. It's it's the holidays.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Absolutely, thank you for hanging out. Congratulations to you on
all the successful change of things, the second chapter, the
final episode, they're all coming up and we look forward
to seeing whatever whatever is in sore for your character.
And if I'm right about you being Henry's sister, then
you owe me a drink.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Okay, I'll owe you a drink.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, yeah, okay, deal until we meet again. Thank you
so much, Thank you having me. I've Never Said This
Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario, is executive produced
by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy, with
editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is
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I'm Tommy Dederio
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy Di Dario, I can never look at a winebottle
the same way again. The brilliant Kara Bono is my
guest today who plays Karen Wheeler in Stranger Things. And
when I tell you that her face off with the
demo organ is one of the best performances I have
ever seen, I'm not kidding. She was every single one
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of us in that moment who would do anything to
protect someone we love. She is easily one of the
most talked about parts of this final season of Stranger Things,
and for good reason. So as we get ready for
part two to drop, we are reflecting on her epic journey,
this standout season for her and all the breadcrumbs that
she clocked along the way of filming Stranger Things without
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knowing exactly how everything was going to turn out. It's
so cool to see her talk about all these moving
pieces and we get to see a side to Kara
that she doesn't often show, but one that is very
much relatable, and I am just so grateful for her vulnerability.
It truly made me feel seen, and I hope it
does the same for you. So let's see if today
we can get Kara to say something that she has
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never said before. Kara, my friend, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I'm great, I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm so happy to have you. You have been on
a whirlwind. Are you okay? Have you slept? Have you eaten? Like?
How you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I'm a little tired, but in the best way. I
think I'm maybe fighting a little something, but I'm going
to beat it. Okay, Yeah, it's not going to take
me down.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Good, good, Well, this is your moment, This is your moment.
I watched you, obviously in part one of The Stranger Things,
and I was jumping up and down at my television.
My husband Gio and I were like, this has got
to be one of the greatest performances we've ever seen
in our entire life. Wow, Like literally you versus that
Dema Gorgon. I'm going on a record and saying one
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of the greatest performances we've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Wow, thank you, I mean thank you. I don't know
what else to say to that. I mean, I you know,
I've had a little bit of time to reflect on
the reaction to it, which has been really nice. I mean,
I think, you know, I've been acting for a long time,
(02:18):
and I especially with stranger things, you get to meet
a lot of amazing fans, especially the young fans, and
people really responded so emotionally to to the to the scene,
and I've met a lot of people who were very
moved emotionally by it. A lot of parents actually who
were saying that they were brought to tears by it,
(02:41):
which I didn't expect because I think, you know, it's
a cool, fierce moment, and of course she's protecting her daughter.
But I think it really it really sparked something in
people about you know, something when somebody does something that's
unexpected makes them reflect on maybe what they're also capable
of doing. So I think it may have touched a
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nerve and people that way as well.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, I could totally see that. And the emotions you
brought were so raw. I mean, what did you have
to dig into in that moment to bring those emotions
to life.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, you know, a lot of it obviously was getting
the technical aspects of the stabbing and the fighting and
the ferocity of that and when the Duffers. I don't
really usually watch playback, but I just started doing it
because a lot it was very technical, so I wanted
to see it. And then we were done and they said, oh,
(03:36):
we got it, and I watched a take. I said,
can I just do one more take? And I don't
know if they use this one, but I think they
used it. And I said, you know what, I feel
like something's missing, like the ferocities there and sort of
the mechanics of it. But I felt like I wanted
to sort of tap into a deeper emotion doing it.
(03:58):
You know, that maybe brought up a lot more history
for her. So I did this one extra take where
I thought I just kind of plugged that in a bit,
and then they said, okay, that's it.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So I don't know ultimately in the editing room that
was the one that they used, but that was important
to me that there was an emotional layer to that
moment as well.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
The stay away from my daughter line. I mean, that's
a line that said, probably incorrectly or the wrong way,
could make or break the scene because it could come
off cheesy or inauthentic, but you delivered. I mean, the
night before, are you going over that line in your head?
Are you practicing in a mirror are you just kind
of surrender day of and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I didn't practice beforehand. You know, we did a lot
of takes, so I did deliver it a lot of
different ways. You know, there were somewhere I was more
bigger with it. It just just kind of unfolded in
the moment. I think, you know, an actor, you just
kind of see how it's unfolding and you kind of
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go with it and trust that you have good directors
watching you, so you're collaborating. And I really trusted the
Duffers in that way to kind of have the same
idea the tempo of the scene, and I did. I
did want to say stay away from my daughter, you bitch,
like a Riley moment, an alien like a little homage,
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but they said they would never use that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I wanted to say.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That, Yeah, you didn't even do one take like that?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Did I do one take? I did one take, But
it was just, uh, it was for me.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That is cool though. That would have been really cool,
But how it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Was was especially calling it demogorgon, you bitch.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Can you imagine the Demogorgan's a man? Maybe it's not
a man. Maybe the Demogorgan's a female. We don't know, right,
I just.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Thought about this, that's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
We know that what like is demo Gorgon male female,
non binary.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's a good point, right, so your bitch would have worked,
could have worked, It could have worked, It could have worked. Well,
what's so cool is it was also the super long
scene right, like you're watching you go through all of
these these extremes from the bathtub to then the fight scene.
So what in the world were you feeling doing all
of that.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean, as an actor, I just put myself in
the moment of it. So there's sort of two minds working.
There's a technical aspect, right, make sure I hit my mark.
I also have an eye on Nell as sort of
like even though she's a pro and doesn't need any help.
But I also felt like, you know, almost keeping an
extra eye out for her, like when we're running. So
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there's this technical mind that I have about just making
sure all of that's working with the camera, and you know,
I just for me, not that I don't do a
lot of preparation. I do sort of quiet preparation in
my mind, like thinking about someone or a story, and
but I just kind of get to set, and you know,
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if I know my lines, you know, backwards and forwards
or what I'm supposed to do, and just I'm just
really in the moment, and it's almost like playing.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like a child.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
If you really believe what's happening, it should unfold the
way it's supposed to. So just when they say action
and there's a demogorgan, it's seeing the demogorgan and believing
that it's there. So I'm just trying to be truthful
in the moment and make sure I hit all the
technical aspects as well.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
How long did that all take you to film, especially
being underwater in the bathtub? How long was that?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So that was shot on a separate day, and we
had a rehearsal in the tank to sort of practice,
you know, how buoyant would be, you know, what parts
of our body would rise, and how to hold nell
and and how.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Long we could hold our breath. And we could hold
our breath for a very long time. And so that was.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
A separate day.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Then of course we connected it to the actual scene
in the bathtub right where we had a up on
the set.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I think the whole thing took seven days.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
When it was all you know, separately in the shooting
days of it, putting it all together in all the
different small.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Beats, and it's amazing. You don't get injured in something
like that. I know the choreography is so precise, but
you're running, you're sliding, your bloody, your wet, like, no injuries.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I got a.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Little injured in my shoulder from the repetition of the
stabbing motion. Oh yeah, that was because one of the
surfaces was a little harder than it should have been.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
But it's okay, nothing permanent.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was worth it, yes, it was worth it. So
for anyone out there who might be coming across around
Dema gorgan one day, what are your top three tips
for smashing a wine bottle and attacking a demic gorgan? Like,
what do you have to do to make it really work?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
If you ever see a Demi gorgon in your house?
I have to say, Also, let's give it up to
Ted Wheeler. He didn't run away. You know, we make
fun of.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Ted, but he he could have run, he could.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Have turned and you know, high tailed it out of there.
He also fought back, true, right, Okay, So if you
see Demi Gorgon in your house and you have a
wine bottle, smash it, aim for the face, aim for right,
for the center. I just don't think it'll turn out
so well. But you'll feel really proud of yourself putting
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up a good fight. Or you could take the wine
bottle intact and run and try to get away and
drink it, kind of pretend it didn't happen.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, that might be more my speed, to be honest,
I would be my speed. We've been talking about the
scene so much because it really is such a pivotal
and important scene in this chapter, in this final season,
and I feel like for your character over the years,
we haven't seen a ton of these moments from her right,
and we've wanted to because I personally, i'll speak for myself,
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have seen moments inside of her like this was it
season three, episode four, I think when you're her and
the shown Nancy had a problem with the newspaper, was
an editor and there was sexism, and you gave this
beautiful speech, and there was a scene about you know,
how the world might be after you, and I forget
(10:12):
the word you use it.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
She says to Nancy, you know the world will try
to kind of tear you down and hold your back,
but don't let them do no, don't let them succeed.
And you know you've always been a fighter because I
don't know where you got it from.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And Nancy says, oh, I got it from you, mom. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
And I think that throughout the seasons, we've seen Karen
be the pillar of the family, a bit of a
comedic relief, and we've seen just sort of glimpses into
her right like sort of unfulfilled marriage and being there
for her kids, providing that domestic security, and little glimpses
(10:51):
in that conversation, particularly where she's about to say something
about her life, but we don't see it right. You know,
as an actor, you fill in the blanks. You try
to give your care or a full life. Everything you do,
you try to bring some subtext backstory that you may
never you know, may never share, or may never come
to fruition, right. But it's for you to make everything
as full as possible. And then I think when you
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see you get to see Karen, you know, you see
her drunk at the beginning of this season, you know,
so you see more.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I think a lot of the characters have a lot
more dark elements. They've been under quarantine for two years. Right,
we see Dustin still.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Heavy about Eddie, and I think the audience is not
really surprised about Karen kind of says, oh, yeah, Karen
would definitely step into this moment and just know what
to do, right, just kind of say, Okay, what do
I have here? I'm here, I have to protect my daughter.
Oh there's a wine bottle. I'm going to make this,
(11:47):
you know, almost like let's make a homemade weapon.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
She's like a you know, mix things, some scratch and
she breaks that wine bottle and no fear, just does
whatever she can do. And I think she's an ordinary
person put into an extraordinary circumstance.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah. Yeah, And to your point, we did see those
little nuggets of wisdom. That scene I mentioned earlier really
stood out to me in my mind. Limitations was I
think the word your character use talking about the limitations
the world puts on you. And here you are fast
forward to this moment. So that must have been just
so liberating for you and such a cool thing to
do as a.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Nice when it circles back, Yeah that way, Yeah, you know,
and the Duffers also do that with you know, baby
Holly in season one, because you know how the demo
Gorgon comes for her at the end. If you remember
in season one when we're at Joyce's house and she
wanders off and the handstarts.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
To reach through the wall to get Holly.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
When she's little, and now we've seen in season five
is coming together those all these thoughts that get connected
in the end.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, you mentioned things that you kind of tell yourself
over the course of filming to inform your character that
we don't get to see, and that helps you get
to a place where you are having this epic showdown battle.
Is there something and I know it's probably very personal
what you create for your character over the years, but
is there something you created for her that you would
want to share today that maybe we don't know about.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I did this whole timeline of life.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
She went to school, and I had her wanting to
go to law school, and then she got pregnant and
you know, put all of her dreams aside to raise
her family, and that she wanted to be a lawyer,
and she thought she was really good with you know,
arguing like she wanted to be a defense attorney or
(13:37):
something like that. That's sort of what I thought she
might do. Yeah, I think that something I've said at
the beginning when I Karen was, you know, extremely clueless
about what's going on in town. You know, she's never
part of the storyline or never really comments on all
of the major tragedies that are happening. That I decided
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to have her drink so that kind of anesthetize herself,
or just like she was a functioning alcoholic, which kind
of led to the wine in season five. So as
an actor, you know, you try to give yourself things
even if no one else knows about it, just like, Okay, well,
how can I make this reel for myself? Or how
can I justify this for myself? Or how can I
(14:18):
make this fun for me too? Like this is my
little thing that I'm doing for myself. And I ended
up becoming a big part.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Of season five.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You didn't know how big of a part she would
be one day when you signed on, right like everything's
always kept in.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
The dark, you know, the Duffers had said, oh, Karen
is gonna be, you know, play a big part and
have a pivotal role. And I didn't know what that
meant or how that changed along the way. But I
just loved the show so much that I was I
just loved being part of the show that even if
it didn't happen. I mean, I know some other actors
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would not say that, but I really gravitate towards stories
and being part of, you know, wonderful stories. I did
this film Let Me In, that was based on that
movie Let the Right One In, and it was a
remake and they said, well, listen, it's a really good part.
You're like this drunk, alcoholic mom of the lead guy,
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but your face is going to be obscured.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So basically it's like, do this role, do all the acting,
but we're really not going.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
To see you, right, And he put me through this
pretty long audition process for it, I remember, but I
just loved, like, I want to be able to do
that and be part of this movie. Right, Maybe I
should have a bigger ego, I be more ambitious, but
I was just so proud to be part of that movie,
and as an actor, I was playing those scenes right,
(15:50):
and I did all the things.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I would do if I wasn't obscured.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So that's how I kind of go about choosing things
like being part of really good stories, whether it's like
a short film or a big movie or an indie film,
and it's just just creatively fulfilling for me.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah. Well, your work speaks for itself, and that's probably
why you do resonate in such big ways with the audiences.
You focus on what matters, right, and you just let
the work unfold how it's going to unfold, and do
the job that you're here to do. Well.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You also can't control. You can really can control a
lot of things you can't in life. You can't control anything, right,
Let's just be honest. Yeah, so you think you can.
You think you're making all these choices in your career, right,
You think, oh, I want to you hope to have
a direction, right, you hoped you a plan for yourself
of what you'd like to do. But it's also you
(16:42):
know what's coming down the pipeline, right, and maybe what
you create and timing and where you are and so
many circumstances. So you'd like to think you're the architect
of your career. And sure, if you have many choices,
you can say, okay, well I picked one of these
three choices and this worked out for me.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But you also don't know how it's going to work.
Out too, right.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
So before I got Stranger Things, I was on at
a very good role on a pilot that was going
to be big hit, right, and it was like a
pediatric oncologist.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
She was like also like troubled with you know not
she was also drinking or something like Oh, this is
a great role, right, And I got replaced.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
But even though I got replaced, I read about it
and I was like, did this really happen? And I
got replaced with a very hot swimsuit model and I
was I was I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
My gosh, like how this is? This is?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You know, I was excited to be on this show
and this was such a good role, and it was
a recurring role, so it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Like they had to really inform me. And I was
very upset.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But if I hadn't gotten replaced on that show, I
wouldn't have been available for Stranger Things, which came along
a month later. So while I was very I was
like crying about this role, it's you know.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It worked out.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, yeah, so you never know what's meant to be
for you.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, And then I almost a decade later, You're on
one of the hottest shows in the world. You know,
not just any show. I mean, the show means so
much to so many people, and there's a lot of
mixed emotions with the rest of the season coming out
because people are excited but they're not ready to say goodbye.
Do you remember the final scene you shot and were
you just a mess? Like I don't think i'd be
(18:23):
able to function?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yes, I mean I'm very nostalgic anyway, and I love
watching the kids grow up, and I know this was
a special show having been on other shows and been
acting as long as I have, so I know this
will never come along again, you know. And I was
in day one, scene one, take one back in twenty fifteen.
(18:47):
It was October of twenty fifteen. And then I was
in the last day, the last scene I think second
or third to last shot of the whole series. It
was very, very emotional. Our families were there, my husband
and daughter were there, and I had two lines that
I could barely get out. Seriously, I mean, I think
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it's some of the worst acting I've ever done, very
simple lines, and I remember, you know, it's like an
outer body experience, like, Okay, this is the last time
I'm going to speak on this show.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
This is the end. We're all winding down, And like I.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Said, I'm very nostalgic, so I was also like trying
to also take in every bit of what was happening,
and yeah, it'll always be a profound experience in my life.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So yeah, when we had a party afterwards and they
let down all this confetti and music and balloons and yeah,
and it's interesting having the show come out now and
it's really heading toward the end with the finale, so
it's almost like it's still our little secret, but it's
getting out.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Is it like a grief period all over again? Because
I imagine you kind of had to grieve a little
bit in whatever way you did then, especially if you're
a nostalgic person, because I'm the same way. So do
you do you go through that again?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It was it was sort of you know when it
ended and I, you know, packed up from Atlanta and
came back to New York, and they're sort of like,
oh who am I now?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Like what am I doing?
Speaker 3 (20:18):
And you know, even if you start working again, and
then I was like, okay, you.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Know, it's kind of over and now it's looking forward.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And as it started to come out again, you start
kind of going back into it, but it's more fun
now because you're seeing the reaction of the fans and
so that's it's really exciting to see how the world
is is experiencing it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, we're ready. We're ready for the rest. So parts,
who's coming out?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Then?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The final episode's coming out? I know you can't say
basically anything, but what three words would you describe what's
coming out?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, the trailer dropped today, so.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Unexpected epic and moving to the very end.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Will we potentially get another badass moment from you?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Hmmm? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Karen is in the hospital right as we last saw her.
She's she's in the hospital.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Mm hmm, she's recovering.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Okay, uh huh.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
She's recovering. What do you want me to say?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Do you see all the theories online like that people
have because there are so many? Do you see there
are probably, I don't know, let's say a thousand different
theories people have. I have my own theory about you. Oh,
you want to know my theory. I think that your
character is potentially Henry's sister.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Oh do you see I've seen that theory. That's a
good theory because so the poster from season four.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, not just that, I think. I mean, he's gone
after both your daughters. Now, that's true, and I feel like,
based off flashbacks and high school things we've seen of
you guys back then, like you're probably on the same age.
So I just think, oh, yeah, that that could be
a possibility. And maybe somehow the name got erased and
the identity change. Who knows in that world how, but
(22:25):
I think it could be a very big possibility.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Do you know that?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Pad pad right where they do fan fiction and they
do they take stories and then they make their own
story based on the lore. I think that would be
a good I'd love to see someone do that out there,
to like make the the Henry Creole sister story.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
See what happens.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I'm sticking by it. We'll see, we will see. And
it's interesting because things in the Broadway play tie back
to them, to the serious I've seen the Broadway show.
It's fantastic, and there have been things where I've been like, oh,
wait a minute, and not even these big moments in
the Broadway play. It just kind of like they sneak
things in and then you have to think about it,
like Henry in the cave, you know, they're those tie in.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And also going way back to World War Two. Yeah,
the dad, I mean that was so fascinating to me,
like how far back it went, and also seeing everybody
in high school and what.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
They were like. Yeah, very very different. I mean not
all very different.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I think Joyce has got the similar you know, spark
and verve that she has now and my characters. She
she's a wild cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I love that what happened to her.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's a good's It is cool to see those those
glimpses from the past. Yeah, you know what I was wondering.
I was wondering if your character's child got taken originally
like Will did. Oh, yeah, how you think she possibly
would have reacted in that moment because she's not where
she is now, So how do you think she would
(24:02):
have handled that?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I think if I think she just she would have
acted like Joyce. I think that any like, if your
kid's taken, you're not going to sit back and wait
for other people to try to find your kid. Or
I think we just would have seen what we see
now in season five and season one. I do believe
that because I just don't think that that would be
(24:24):
okay with her. She would be fiercely looking for let's
say they stole Mike, you know, stole Mike, you know,
Mike Gut disappeared, or Nancy or well, baby Holly would
have been you know, that'd be very hard because she
was three when it started.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
But yeah, I think she just would.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Have been as fierce and as unrelenting as Joyce was
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I love that moment with Joyce the season too, where
she stood in front to protect her kid from you know,
Rechna and the demo Organs. And there's a lot of
powerful female moments.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
There, really are you know, the moms don't back down.
Moms are not afraid. The moms are Yeah, I love that,
the Duffers, you know, see that in the in the
moms and the women and Nancy and everybody, you know,
Max e eighty, everybody. I mean, no one's afraid. Actually,
no one is afraid. None of the characters are afraid. Right,
(25:20):
this is a town full of really courageous people.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, if you think about it.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
But I think that like shows, just I think what
speaks people love about the show is like, you know,
if you love people, you'll do anything for them right there,
your friends or your family, and you won't back down
and you'll band together.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, it's a true story of love. And I also
think the nostalgia is so comforting and people love that.
Even generations that dinner grow up in that time period
are interested in and want to explore it. And you know,
like you said, you're a nostalgic person, I'm the same way.
Have you ever seen Inside Out Too? Oh yeah, you
know the little granny that pops in like four times
in the movie and she's like, I'm nostalgia and like leaves,
(26:03):
that is me, Like that is deeply me on every level.
So I get you on that. I totally totally get
you up that. Yeah, is there something from your character
you had to bring home?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well?
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I did want to bring home the broken wine bottle.
And at the last day I was asking props. I said, hey,
can I bring home the prop? And they kept ignoring
me and saying.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah, I just just check in with the office.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
In a couple of weeks, and I said, okay, well,
why can't I just take it now? And the Duffers
had taken the prop and framed it for me as
a as a rap gift. So they kind of read
my mind and made it quite beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Oh how nice is it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And that's what I took.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Well, now I'm looking at another bottle of wine right here. Yes,
this is your baby. You're a new company, You're a
new venture. Was this inspired by your character?
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Well, it's funny because I'm Italian, you're Italian. And my
grandpa came over as an immigrant and he used to
make wine in our basement, and when I was growing up,
he would mix wine and seven up and we'd dip
some bread in it. So I grew up loving wine
from a really young age. And when I met my husband,
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he was working at Mackensey, but he was working for
Gallo and he's a big wine lover, and it was
something we've kind of talked about. And then when the
whole wine thing happened with Karen, it just kind of
seemed like this has been brewing and this might be like.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
The perfect time.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
And my grandmother's name is Katavia, who I'm named after,
which means dear life and life imitating our imitating life,
and it's called Katavita Wines and our Chardenay sardenay' is
the first first wine we're launching, the Killer Shardenay.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We thought it would be a fun nod right before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I love this. I can't wait to try this.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
That's for you.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I'm oh good because I was going to steal it.
It looks really good. So you'll have more coming out.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Yes, yes, you can get it at Caravita Wines.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Dot does a demo Gorgon prefer red or white?
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well, Karen drinks white.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
She drinks jarnay because she doesn't want to spill it
on her rug. I was very clear about that. And
you would think the demo would probably red because of
you know, with the blood.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
But I think the demo would enjoy the Charnay.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, very excited.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Somo might need a martini right.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Something, maybe a little stronger strong. Gorgan's a little busy.
How proud are you of this role? And I guess
when you look back collectively at everything you've done with
this role, what are you the most proud of?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I love doing what I do and I every day
when I'm on set, and.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm no saint.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
It's not like I have perfect days, you know, but
I I just feel so lucky to be an actor
still and do what I'm doing for so long, And
if I had to be proud of something is sort
of just how I'm just so grateful that I don't
take any of it for granted.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
There is no moment.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
If I get to set early before everyone, I just think, Wow,
I still get to do this. I still get to
be on a set and play, and this is my job.
I know a lot of people don't have choices and what.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
They do in a career. I mean, we're lucky if
we are.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Born into a circumstance where we get to really choose
what we want to do in life. You know, my
grandparents didn't. Both my parents really didn't do what they
wanted to do in life because they had to provide
for us or work certain jobs just to live right.
So it's not lost on me that I get to
do a really fun job that I love with a
(29:49):
lot of great people. So maybe just not losing sight
of how blessed I am to do this. I know
it sounds kind of corny, and but.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I just feel that way. No, I really truly feel
that way.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't think it does sound corny. I think it's
very obvious to me from this conversation. You lead your
life with gratitude, and I think that it's something very
easy to lose sight of in the hamster race of
what we all do, no matter what industry you're in,
no matter what career. It's like, Okay, we're just getting
up going, getting up going, and to stop and reflect
and actually have those moments of, oh my god, how
(30:24):
cool that I get to do this. Well.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
You know a lot of people will say, oh, gosh,
you've worked like an eighteen hour day and aren't you tired.
I go, sure, I'm tired, but I'm not, you know,
not like a pediatric oncologist in a night shift, you know,
with children dying of cancer. I'm not working in the
coal mines, you know, Like I'm not putting my work
down at any way. Like, sure it's hard and it's
(30:46):
long hours, but there's also really hard work. Like my
dad was a mechanic and left for work at you know,
four in the morning to go from the Bronx to
Queens to work in a garage and all weather, you know,
on the road, Like that's hard work.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And he never complained. I have never heard him complain
a day in his life until the end, so you know,
and I'm not saying listen, I have not like I
haven't complaining about things, not like human person.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I have my days where I like bitch about things.
You know, of course, like I'm human, but I also
like take a step back and go, yeah, I understand, Yeah,
I'm very blessed.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, well that's a good perspective to walk through life with, right,
it really is. I am very excited for this question.
It's the question I ask everyone at the end of
my show. And I'm excited because you're a very thoughtful person.
And the show is obviously called I've never said this before,
and it was born because I interview a lot of
people at red carpet premieres and junkets, which you know
(31:48):
all about, and you get two minutes with someone and
they're rushed, and they're very unnatural circumstances, and half the
time you guys feel weird. Half the time we feel weird.
It's just a very unnatural way to talk to somebody.
So that's how this was born. I bring people on
and have longer form and give you guys a chance
to say something, and there's no right or wrong answer.
It's whatever it means to you. It's whatever is on
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your mind, or something you've wanted to say and never
had the chance, or anything. So what is one thing
you've never said before that you want to say tonight?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Gosh, well, I have this funny thing. But then I
was just thinking about when my dad passed away. So
I don't know which one did I tell the funny
thing about the bronx.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm intrigued about the dad? Oh as a family man?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
So we were just talking about my dad who never
complained and said so just got me thinking that I've
never said this before, but when he was the only
time he complained was when he was dying.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
He goes, dying is hard.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
This made me think about that.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Oh wow, Yeah, was that weird for you to hear
him complain after never hearing that?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yeah, because like he never complained about anything.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Oh yeah, oh so I guess that was the only
time he complained. M Yeah, they didn't want to like
leave my mom.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And yeah yeah Italian parents. Yeah yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It's funny because I thought I really obsessed about this question,
and I was like, what am I going to say.
What am I going to say? I don't even know
what to say.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
And I had this funny story about stealing cheese doodles
from the deli when I was growing up, Like I've
never told that story before, and then it made me think, like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Well, thank you for sharing that that. I'm I'm I'm
someone who holds people very close who have passed in
my life. And I actually just did an episode last
week about grief during the holidays. Yeah, and I lost
someone very dear to me this year and it's hit
me very hard. So I think the fact that you're
here today talking about someone that means something to you
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and keeping that memory alive is something that will resonate
with a lot of people. And I thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, especially during the holidays.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Especially during the holidays. So I feel you. I tremendously
feel you. Thank you for sharing this surprising.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Oh I never cry.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Thank you. I wish we had to give you somewhere
around here, But thank you seriously for opening up about that.
I know he's very proud of you. I know, I know,
I know who could.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But he was so funny because he would say, like, oh, don't.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Cry, don't be sad tough Italian huh.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's like, don't be sad when I die.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
But yeah yeah yeah, it never leaves you right, and
there'll be good moments and bad moments. Yeah's all part
of it.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I say the thing about grief which is interesting. It
surprises you. Yeah, you know, it takes you. Buy It's
like sometimes someone will die and you don't really feel
it at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
You're think, well, what's wrong with me?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I don't feel anything, or you feel angry or almost
you start laughing because it's an uncomfortable feeling, right, and
we laugh when we're uncomfortable, and then like you'll be somewhere.
Like I had a good friend who died in my twenties.
He was my brother's best friend. And I was really
angry about it because I was like, why him, Why
so young?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
And I never cried. I never cried.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And a year later I was up at Fairway shopping
for cheese, and I was like looking at the cheese
and I thought of him, and I just started crying
in fair Away because I thought he'll never eat cheese again.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
And I started bawling. And you know how firemen shopped
together to do like their big shop to cook together.
There were all these there was someone from a fire.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
There were all these firemen shopping and they had like
a cart full of food and they saw me crying.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
They're like, miss are you okay? What's wrong? And I'm
like bawling. I'm like I'm sorry. It was like a
scene out of a movie with like four firemen, yeah,
going like what's wrong with you? What's happened? Because and
then I couldn't even talk and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's the cheese.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Cheese.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
He'll never eat cheese again. And my friend was like
you she's laughing because she's like, oh my gosh, this
is so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I'm embarrassed for you. And I was trying to explain
to them. But the other thing I found about Greek
when you do up is you give people permission to.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Also share a story about grieving.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Yeah, because I remember when I stopped grieving, one of
the fire minutes said, you know, I lost somebody, and
then he told me his story and the cheese department
and sort of like this grief fest in the cheese
department at fair Way and you'all feel a little weird
and awkward, but you know, it's one of these things
where it's just very human.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
It is, it is, and this is why I love
the show, because when would you ever say that everyone
out of Oh, well, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Seen it, I've heard it here, you got me?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Well, thank you, no, honestly, thank you for sharing it.
I think it's it's these are the moments that fill
my soul and why I do what I do. I
don't care who artists are sleeping with, how much their
house costs. I don't care about any of that. I
care about the human and human stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Some people respond to that, and that's why you're, you know,
so popular. And I think in like a world of
so much, where our attention is so short, there's so
much to try to take our attention, that people are
always looking for, you know, real human connection, and we
all seek that out.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I think, yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I hope the next time we meet will be drinking
some wine.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yes, I hope you enjoy it. To let me know.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I will let you know. I'm going to open this
baby tonight. Okay, so I don't usually drink on a
Monday night, but I am going to have some wine tonight.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Why not. It's it's the holidays.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Absolutely, thank you for hanging out. Congratulations to you on
all the successful change of things, the second chapter, the
final episode, they're all coming up and we look forward
to seeing whatever whatever is in sore for your character.
And if I'm right about you being Henry's sister, then
you owe me a drink.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Okay, I'll owe you a drink.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, yeah, okay, deal until we meet again. Thank you
so much, Thank you having me. I've Never Said This
Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario, is executive produced
by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy, with
editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is
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