June 18, 2025 • 20 mins
Lauren Spencer Smith dishes on heartbreak, healing, and how a single bad relationship inspired some of her fiercest tracks yet. Plus, she teases her upcoming album, "The Art of Being a Mess"! Watch her performance in the studio here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You know, it's so appropriate that Lauren Spencer Smith is here.
Her new album is called the Art of Being a Mess,
and that pretty much is what we're about. So I
feel like I feel like you wrote this just for us. Hey,
welcome back to the show. By the way, you you
got to get close to that microphone. We have not
we have not fixed technology. So may I tell a
little story about Lauren Spencer Smith. Last time she was here,
(00:23):
it was just after pandemic and we hadn't had a
guest on in two years, a long time, and so
we were watching the video of the interview with you.
I think you watched it earlier as well. We were
actually saying to you, we don't remember how to interview you,
but welcome. We're back now, so go ahead and talk
(00:43):
whatever you want to talk about. We'll just go, oh, yeah,
welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Sorry, no masks today, No masks.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's okay. I feel free, right.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And also Laura reminds us she was blonde Lauren, Lauren time.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I always care to be Yeah in MyD life crisis.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, if this is midlife, it means you're gonna die quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, yeah, she said.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Last time I was here, Lauren said, I had blown hair,
and I said, well, last time you're hair, I had hair.
So let's talk about the music. This album it comes
out at a time where you want to say, what
with your music? What is it about this sonically? What
is this album?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes saying honestly, it is a big mess. It's not
it's not necessarily all one cohesive thing. It's not just sad.
It's kind of sad, angry, confused, happy. I kind of
want everyone to understand that that really is just life.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean we're all, you know, out there trying to
struggle and figure it out, no matter how old or
young you are. It's it's always going to be this
way till the day you're done. Right.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But I accepted and learned kind of throughout this creative process.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
What are the fans saying so far?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I think they like it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I mean that a lot of my fans I've kind
of tapped into, like an angrier side of my music,
and I'm loving that they seem to also be in
that same energy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I feel I feel comforted.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Why do you think we're angry? What's what's what's bringing
on anger? Is it a universal thing or we all
had individual reasons. We're all just pissed off.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, usually for me it's men, but I think for.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, all the men are laughing.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It can be whatever you're angry about, you know, men.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, they pissed me off too, wasn't the ones in
this room?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
No? Not you guys?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, then that one. But when she said men is
the reason she's angry, you did this. It's men plural,
meaning all men are like that, not all men. There's
one person thatssed you off that cause you to write
the song.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, not so much angs.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, I don't believe in like the all men are bad.
I also, I've been in relationship for three and a
half years with a man, and my man is amazing,
So I know that some men are amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But it's also always the one who says not all men,
that's the worst one in.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
The Yeah, it's the fact that you're getting so defensive.
That's us.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
He knows what does a person know what you wrote
this song about them?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Oh really yeah, which kind of makes it a little
more exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What's his number? Can we call him? I would never
if you whipped out his phone, nub Lauren, I would
not call. I mean, like, I'm just kidding. We can't
call this guy tell him it's this song about how
atrocious and is about it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I think they'd be unfazed when he hears it. Is
he going to be like, yeah, that was me? You think?
So wow? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I feel like I do a good job at like
hiding it sometimes good.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So when you come up with an album, and this
is one of my favorite questions, all these songs are
I guess the soundtrack of where you were when you
were writing songs? Obviously? What isn't on it? Like? What
was so deep? And let's not go there because I
don't want to tell people that. I guess you wouldn't
tell me that now.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
If I do, honestly, No, I feel like I'm pretty honest.
I feel like I'll write about anything and talk about anything,
and I just like, don't really think about the repercussions.
If people are going to be like upset or angry
and I just write it, and then if everyone else
on my team's like we love the song, I'm like, okay,
I guess is it.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Very therapeutic for you to like write everything and like
get everything out on paper.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, I feel like songwriting. I'm obsessed. It's complete therapy.
My songwriters feel like my therapists.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
A lot of writers, all writers say it is very therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so my thought in my head is, well, I
can't write a song to save my life, So what
else could I do? Short of going to therapy? What
else could I do on my own to work through
these feelings? If it's not through the words and the notes,
what else is it for the civilians out here?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well? I think the rest of us are writing it.
So then you guys just have the finished product to
listen to and like cry or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Sory, just hitch onto your wagon on that. Yeah, I
want to do it myself. What can I do? I mean, pottery.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Gandhi, paint something.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Rage room, Yeah, damn it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I need a rage. Actually you're sitting in it room.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
But you know what it's so it is, it's so
obvious this. I mean, way before we were alive, artists
were writing these songs to get things off their chest.
But but they wrote songs like Camptown Races.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And you know what I'm saying, Oh, Susannah, but maybe
they get something off that.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Maybe back then, yeah, they weren't like as open as
artists are today. You know today you like bear your
souls to everybody. Yeah, back then people were more closed.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Up one percent. I know we're way more open these days.
Can I ask how the writing process works? Is it instantaneous,
like someone pisses you off and you bust out your
phone and they think, damn it, here she's gonna writ
It's that fast. Yeah, I mean like they don't know
that I whipped out my phone and wrote a concept.
But yeah, I'm pretty like, Okay, this is a sating
this is making me think of this. The song is
going to be called Bridesmaid. And then I go in
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the next day, I'm like, let's write a song called Bridesmaid.
This is what it's about.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And everyone's like, okay, great, let's do it. And that
one's about a breakup with your best friend.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah that's hard. Yeah, I think that's harder a lot
of times in a breakup with a boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I know, but it's okay, it happens.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, let's talk about the evolution of being honest in
your music. So what year did this? Okay, This was
a number one hit across the country back in nineteen
sixty six, okay, nineteen sixty six, So what was it
they were thinking and feeling when they wrote this? I
had everybody's head. Everybody's heard them about the burden. I
(06:40):
went at of lyrics, Yeah, I went, ida, this is
number one. This was acid the people had. They didn't
even have assid These people they needed ass in. And
now look at number one songs. Have we evolved? Are we?
Are we not? Are we going to the opposite way? Should
(07:02):
we be singing songs about the bird?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think it's still both.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think people either listen to music to feel comforted
and want to relate to it, or they listen to
it to escape, and it's just more like beat and
melody and like a vibe.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And I think that one's like a vibe.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think I think that's very different than your single.
If Karma doesn't get to win, it's very different, different concepts.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So if you're just turning us on, her album, of
course is called the Art of Being a Mess. It's
all over the spectrum of different emotions. I'm assuming, Yeah,
I need to hear the whole thing. Yes, Laurence Spencer
Smith has a song called looking Up unreleased. Yeah, and
you've never performed it live? No, never, Then there's no
net because you're live when you're yeah, you're gonna perform.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, there's no autotune.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So what goes to your head when you're about to
sing with no lyrics written in front of you? Aunless,
you're gonna read your phone?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I don't have my phone. But we were talking before
and now I'm stressed. I'm and to forget the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't want to plant that seed. It's not what
this is about.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, Honestly, normally I'm like very focused on my vocals
and just being like, okay, don't see anything wrong, don't
forget anything, like make sure it's it's like good.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well, if you're focusing on the sound, you forget the
word sometimes do this, you can you can do anything else.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, talking about it's making me stressed.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Did the thing Nate always does. So he's our producer.
If you tell him anything, he will give you the
worst case scenario of what's going to happen to you,
and that is what he did to you.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Don't let him win. Yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Try well, This is not a great way to treat
our guests.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
No, Nate, wherever he went, he vanished.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But he does that.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
If you're like, oh, you know, my arm kind of
hurts thing, it's like you probably have cancer. I looked
it up guns Guy album about.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
He'll he'll farm the elevator. You get off and leave
me there? Yeah, elevator, Nate, Wait, what am I doing?
The seed's been planted for this song.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I don't think you're sorry. I don't think you're so
smile on your face.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, okay, let's see raise your Let's move to something
else and then we'll go, oh, by the way, you yeah,
and we'll partay. We didn't have this conversation. Perfect, Okay.
So here you are in New York City, in New
York City? Is this all just promotion? Hanging out? Are
you shopping or what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Honestly, we had a fan event last night, so we
played a bunch of fans the album in advance.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, just promo things, visiting people.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, what does New York? What does New York make
you feel when you visit? This crazy screwed uptown, which
I love.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I'm a little scared of New York.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Like, every time I walk the streets, people are yelling
at me, and I'm not used to that. I'm from
a very small town and we drive everywhere and everyone
just like lives in the trees.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What do you mean they're what are they're yelling at you? People?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
They're always screaming at me.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
They're either telling me I'm ugly or like, it's just
always crazy people.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, probably not at you. They maybe it's at me.
It's directly at me. Every time I'm targeted, I don't
go out.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
There's a paranoia thing going on. Yeah, there's a lot
of a lot of different types of folks on the
streets of New York City. Yeah, we all count they look.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Too like nice that people are like.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I get told that you have to be like, you know,
have a little bit of a hard exterior, and people
will come up.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
To you less.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I can't believe they're even paying attention to you. Usually
people don't pay attention to anyone here. Yeah, you know,
and this is without doubt, millions and millions and millions
of people live here. But it can be the loneliest
place on earth.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
This se but it's also so fun and right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Raining, phones are ringing, got to answer it. Let's see
Hold on, this is Moine? Is this moin? Yep, that's
pre ordered your album. Sorry about the oilers, don't talk
about it. This has been the worst ever. Did you
were you watching?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yes? We're huge Edmondon oilers fans, Me and my boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, so we're huge. Mind answer fans.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay, don't like you guys as much.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Talk about it all right, So moyne Uh, Lauren Spencer
Smith is here. What do you want to say? Say something?
Say something nice? She needs it.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Hi, Hi Lauren, a big fan. I have your uh,
your album pre ordered. I also have your first album, Mirror.
I have a fine copy of both, so looking forward
to the album. I'm going to be at the show
in uh February as well, so looking forward to all
of it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh my goodness, I love you. You're so iconic.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Wow. Where are you?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
I'm from Queens, New York. I'm driving to work right now.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Wait when when's the show?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
February twentieth?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You're in town till February.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
We have a couple other shows before that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I just love it. So you being yelled at on
the streets I'm never been in this place. Well, look,
you know there are many many Lauren Spencer fans, Lauren
Spencer Smith fans like you, and uh, you're you're all
going to gather together. There's that energy that I mean,
You're only there to see one person, so that energy
is going to be amazing. Have a great time at
the show. Do me a favor, moye. After the show
(12:08):
in February, if we're all still working here, call us
and let us know how it was. Okay, of course, Elvis,
I love you.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
I just want to say that I've been listening to
you guys for five years almost. You guys make my
day every day on my way to work. I love
you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, thank you. Keep working and you need a longer
commute so we can spend more time together every day.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
No, no, I have enough of a long commute.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Thank you. Okay, keep it, keep it that way. Thank
you so much more. Have a great day.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
This's a thing, you know, every winter or every Christmas season,
we do our jingle Ball concert at the Garden, right,
and it's that one night a year where almost everyone
in the entire garden is there because we brought them
there so we feel like people like us. Yeah, so
you know, you can walk down the streets in New
York and people yell at you and throw things at you.
(12:56):
But in that room in February, we need to do
your show. It's nothing but you and they're there, and
so yeah, is that real? Is that real life?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah? Real life?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Okay, I don't know. I don't think it's real life.
You're stuffing the ballot box with people that like you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That's that's honestly. My favorite part about a hard ticket show.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Is that everyone has my ticket to only see me,
and so the love feels so mutual.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's very obvious. Maybe I should even bring it up
any other questions before she forgets the words of next,
I don't do that. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Let's let's
can we have a glass of wine or something. There's
nothing wrong with.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
That, exactly, nothing normalize it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I learned something from her. I didn't realize that when
artists forget the lyrics, they just yell to the crowd like.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
How you doing today, New York, And they put someone's
in the middle of a verse and just starts yelling
the words were forgotten.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
For sure, to.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Self yeah, we're learning a lot about this business of you.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Maybe I shouldn't have given that away. It's like everyone's
gonna blame me.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We have secrets here in our industry as well. Oh god, yeah,
you call and request a song, we never play it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's true, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I mean if someone called right now, hey, can you play? No,
I mean, but we say yes because the chances are
we're going to play it eventually, because we played the
same four songs over and over over.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
When you hear it, you think it was yah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But it's not. Any other secrets from the music business
you want to share with.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Us, Maybe you don't think so, all right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So Lauren Spencer Smith nice enough to wake up in
the middle of the night to come in here and
looking up unreleased music from the album of course the
art of being a mess? What part of being a
mess is looking up about?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Ooh uh, it's actually a very sad song. I one
of my best friends passed away when I was in
high school, and I that's kind of what the whole
song is about. It took me like seven years to
get the courage to write the song.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And what did this song do to help move you
over that? Point. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Honestly, I felt like even at the time, I didn't
know necessarily feel ready. But everyone who I wrote it
with is they're just the best people. They're so comforting,
They're like my favorite people to collaborate with. And it
just felt like such a safe space and everyone understood
what I was going through and they had been through
it too.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But after we wrote it, I felt like a part.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Of me had been healed, that I finally said what
I wanted to do on a song.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And what a gift it is to be able to
retreat to your own space, yeah and sit down and write.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, it's such a gift.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And now we're going to hear what that is? All right, scary,
let's do it. Lauren Spencer Smith, this is looking up.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Well, why that was awesome?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Wow? And you didn't look at the words one time?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
No, I remember them.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, and I can see why you. I can see
why you wouldn't forget those. Yeah, pretty Johnny, thank you. Wow,
that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Any thoughts, what do you think remind me of my dad?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Talk about I lost my dad, like you know, you know,
a couple of years back, and like I was, I
always think those same things, like where'd you go? Like,
I think you're in heaven, but you know, give me
more signs, and so it's kind of like, you know,
I don't want to start crying.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's exactly, honestly what the song is about.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Like I didn't necessarily grow up with a super strong
sense of faith, and I think that's something people really
struggle with in grief.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So I'm glad that you connected me to the song.
I think there are cars full of crying people right now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, I'm sorry, everyone happy?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Is it weird that I think of my dad?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
I look down, there's album about that?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
What's that? Scary?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
We have the recorded song right here? We have a
recorded song here? What is it? What is it?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's in the system.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, earlier we're speaking other languages. All the best to you,
thank you. And so how many cities do you have
ahead of you on this tour? You're going, God, oh god?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That seventy Yeah, what a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You know in the typical world of touring, is is
that like a heavy number or is that light?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, it's like a decent It's not like Ed Sheeran
like bros on tour every day but for my status,
I think that's a decent amount of shode.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, no breaks in there. It's just no, there's breaks.
There's it's not oh my god, seventy straight who even
every other day would be a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, there's like, you know, like a six week chunk,
a little break Australia break.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You got time to like next week.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Look around while you're in these different places.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It depends on the place. Some days we have a
day off, I'm like, whoo, Paris, and then other days
you're like, wow, that was nice Milan and they weren't
even there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What's it like? I mean touring, being on stage, the
family unit that's traveling from show to show to show
and then it's done.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's pretty sad.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Talk about that. Yeah, it's a bitter sweet thing or
more better than sweet.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I my entire touring party. I love like I didn't
necessarily grow up with a huge family, and so I
love being around people. I love living on a bus
with everyone. It's just it's so stupid. It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Are you an only child?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, I had a brother and some step siblings. It's
a complicated disaster. Yeah, right, So when my touring party
is not complicated. Everyone just loves each other.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So girls for the tour bus tour bush rules, no.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Pooing, Yeah that's automatic.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
We have like a bed time, you know, like no
one's allowed to like go crazy after midnight. We're all
trying to sleep. But I feel like it's just you
have to have a good vibe.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You gotta be funny, you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Know, for anyone who grew up, I was kind of
an only child too, But this is I think that's
why I like coming in this room every day because
I have this is the family, so you know exactly
what that's about.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I feel like I'm camping with everyone so much fun.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's been a pleasure having here. Lauren Lauren Spencer Smith
album The Art of Being a Mess. It officially drops
June twenty seventh. June twenty seventh, that's this month.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, eight days next Friday.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, this is like Christmas Eve a little bit. I'm like, yeah,
oh god, it's almost here. Yeah, are you like scratching
yourself because you're nervous?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And I'm just excited for it to be out and
everyone to have all the songs.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And what's done is done. Yeah, you're happy with what's
going to be there. There are some artists that are
never happy, like we can't release this yet, we have
to release it.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, I could definitely find things within it, like oh
I could like I could do this better, but I'll just.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Be doing that forever. So it is what it is.
It's as perfect as it can be.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I wonder if Through the Age, as any ego blasted
artist ever said, I know it's been out for a week.
We got to bring it back and recall everything. I
bet they have. I bet they've remastered things and re
recorded things.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Artists are crazy, like we drive ourselves nuts with like
oh the guitar is not right, or like this vocal
isn't the same like it.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, but it doesn't sound like you're really obsessing over
anything crazy about this album. It sounds like you're very
pleased with it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I'm like this needed to come out, this has We've
been writing it for too long.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I'm like, let's put on now, all.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Right, all right, let's do it. The Art of Being
a Mess out to twenty seventh of this month, Lauren
Spencer Smith, thanks for being here today. That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Thanks for having me
I'm from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You know, it's so appropriate that Lauren Spencer Smith is here.
Her new album is called the Art of Being a Mess,
and that pretty much is what we're about. So I
feel like I feel like you wrote this just for us. Hey,
welcome back to the show. By the way, you you
got to get close to that microphone. We have not
we have not fixed technology. So may I tell a
little story about Lauren Spencer Smith. Last time she was here,
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it was just after pandemic and we hadn't had a
guest on in two years, a long time, and so
we were watching the video of the interview with you.
I think you watched it earlier as well. We were
actually saying to you, we don't remember how to interview you,
but welcome. We're back now, so go ahead and talk
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whatever you want to talk about. We'll just go, oh, yeah,
welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Sorry, no masks today, No masks.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's okay. I feel free, right.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And also Laura reminds us she was blonde Lauren, Lauren time.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I always care to be Yeah in MyD life crisis.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, if this is midlife, it means you're gonna die quarter.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Well, yeah, she said.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Last time I was here, Lauren said, I had blown hair,
and I said, well, last time you're hair, I had hair.
So let's talk about the music. This album it comes
out at a time where you want to say, what
with your music? What is it about this sonically? What
is this album?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes saying honestly, it is a big mess. It's not
it's not necessarily all one cohesive thing. It's not just sad.
It's kind of sad, angry, confused, happy. I kind of
want everyone to understand that that really is just life.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I mean we're all, you know, out there trying to
struggle and figure it out, no matter how old or
young you are. It's it's always going to be this
way till the day you're done. Right.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But I accepted and learned kind of throughout this creative process.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
What are the fans saying so far?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I think they like it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I mean that a lot of my fans I've kind
of tapped into, like an angrier side of my music,
and I'm loving that they seem to also be in
that same energy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So I feel I feel comforted.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Why do you think we're angry? What's what's what's bringing
on anger? Is it a universal thing or we all
had individual reasons. We're all just pissed off.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, usually for me it's men, but I think for.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, all the men are laughing.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It can be whatever you're angry about, you know, men.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah, they pissed me off too, wasn't the ones in
this room?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
No? Not you guys?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, then that one. But when she said men is
the reason she's angry, you did this. It's men plural,
meaning all men are like that, not all men. There's
one person thatssed you off that cause you to write
the song.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, not so much angs.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, I don't believe in like the all men are bad.
I also, I've been in relationship for three and a
half years with a man, and my man is amazing,
So I know that some men are amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
But it's also always the one who says not all men,
that's the worst one in.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
The Yeah, it's the fact that you're getting so defensive.
That's us.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
He knows what does a person know what you wrote
this song about them?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Oh really yeah, which kind of makes it a little
more exciting.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What's his number? Can we call him? I would never
if you whipped out his phone, nub Lauren, I would
not call. I mean, like, I'm just kidding. We can't
call this guy tell him it's this song about how
atrocious and is about it?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I think they'd be unfazed when he hears it. Is
he going to be like, yeah, that was me? You think?
So wow? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I feel like I do a good job at like
hiding it sometimes good.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So when you come up with an album, and this
is one of my favorite questions, all these songs are
I guess the soundtrack of where you were when you
were writing songs? Obviously? What isn't on it? Like? What
was so deep? And let's not go there because I
don't want to tell people that. I guess you wouldn't
tell me that now.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
If I do, honestly, No, I feel like I'm pretty honest.
I feel like I'll write about anything and talk about anything,
and I just like, don't really think about the repercussions.
If people are going to be like upset or angry
and I just write it, and then if everyone else
on my team's like we love the song, I'm like, okay,
I guess is it.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Very therapeutic for you to like write everything and like
get everything out on paper.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yeah, I feel like songwriting. I'm obsessed. It's complete therapy.
My songwriters feel like my therapists.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
A lot of writers, all writers say it is very therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And so my thought in my head is, well, I
can't write a song to save my life, So what
else could I do? Short of going to therapy? What
else could I do on my own to work through
these feelings? If it's not through the words and the notes,
what else is it for the civilians out here?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Well? I think the rest of us are writing it.
So then you guys just have the finished product to
listen to and like cry or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Sory, just hitch onto your wagon on that. Yeah, I
want to do it myself. What can I do? I mean, pottery.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Gandhi, paint something.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Rage room, Yeah, damn it.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I need a rage. Actually you're sitting in it room.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
But you know what it's so it is, it's so
obvious this. I mean, way before we were alive, artists
were writing these songs to get things off their chest.
But but they wrote songs like Camptown Races.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
And you know what I'm saying, Oh, Susannah, but maybe
they get something off that.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Maybe back then, yeah, they weren't like as open as
artists are today. You know today you like bear your
souls to everybody. Yeah, back then people were more closed.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Up one percent. I know we're way more open these days.
Can I ask how the writing process works? Is it instantaneous,
like someone pisses you off and you bust out your
phone and they think, damn it, here she's gonna writ
It's that fast. Yeah, I mean like they don't know
that I whipped out my phone and wrote a concept.
But yeah, I'm pretty like, Okay, this is a sating
this is making me think of this. The song is
going to be called Bridesmaid. And then I go in
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the next day, I'm like, let's write a song called Bridesmaid.
This is what it's about.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And everyone's like, okay, great, let's do it. And that
one's about a breakup with your best friend.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah that's hard. Yeah, I think that's harder a lot
of times in a breakup with a boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I know, but it's okay, it happens.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, let's talk about the evolution of being honest in
your music. So what year did this? Okay, This was
a number one hit across the country back in nineteen
sixty six, okay, nineteen sixty six, So what was it
they were thinking and feeling when they wrote this? I
had everybody's head. Everybody's heard them about the burden. I
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went at of lyrics, Yeah, I went, ida, this is
number one. This was acid the people had. They didn't
even have assid These people they needed ass in. And
now look at number one songs. Have we evolved? Are we?
Are we not? Are we going to the opposite way? Should
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we be singing songs about the bird?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I think it's still both.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think people either listen to music to feel comforted
and want to relate to it, or they listen to
it to escape, and it's just more like beat and
melody and like a vibe.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And I think that one's like a vibe.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think I think that's very different than your single.
If Karma doesn't get to win, it's very different, different concepts.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So if you're just turning us on, her album, of
course is called the Art of Being a Mess. It's
all over the spectrum of different emotions. I'm assuming, Yeah,
I need to hear the whole thing. Yes, Laurence Spencer
Smith has a song called looking Up unreleased. Yeah, and
you've never performed it live? No, never, Then there's no
net because you're live when you're yeah, you're gonna perform.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, there's no autotune.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So what goes to your head when you're about to
sing with no lyrics written in front of you? Aunless,
you're gonna read your phone?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I don't have my phone. But we were talking before
and now I'm stressed. I'm and to forget the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't want to plant that seed. It's not what
this is about.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, Honestly, normally I'm like very focused on my vocals
and just being like, okay, don't see anything wrong, don't
forget anything, like make sure it's it's like good.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Well, if you're focusing on the sound, you forget the
word sometimes do this, you can you can do anything else.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, talking about it's making me stressed.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Did the thing Nate always does. So he's our producer.
If you tell him anything, he will give you the
worst case scenario of what's going to happen to you,
and that is what he did to you.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Don't let him win. Yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Try well, This is not a great way to treat
our guests.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
No, Nate, wherever he went, he vanished.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
But he does that.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
If you're like, oh, you know, my arm kind of
hurts thing, it's like you probably have cancer. I looked
it up guns Guy album about.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
He'll he'll farm the elevator. You get off and leave
me there? Yeah, elevator, Nate, Wait, what am I doing?
The seed's been planted for this song.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I don't think you're sorry. I don't think you're so
smile on your face.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, okay, let's see raise your Let's move to something
else and then we'll go, oh, by the way, you yeah,
and we'll partay. We didn't have this conversation. Perfect, Okay.
So here you are in New York City, in New
York City? Is this all just promotion? Hanging out? Are
you shopping or what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Honestly, we had a fan event last night, so we
played a bunch of fans the album in advance.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, just promo things, visiting people.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, what does New York? What does New York make
you feel when you visit? This crazy screwed uptown, which
I love.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I'm a little scared of New York.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Like, every time I walk the streets, people are yelling
at me, and I'm not used to that. I'm from
a very small town and we drive everywhere and everyone
just like lives in the trees.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What do you mean they're what are they're yelling at you? People?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
They're always screaming at me.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
They're either telling me I'm ugly or like, it's just
always crazy people.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, probably not at you. They maybe it's at me.
It's directly at me. Every time I'm targeted, I don't
go out.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
There's a paranoia thing going on. Yeah, there's a lot
of a lot of different types of folks on the
streets of New York City. Yeah, we all count they look.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Too like nice that people are like.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I get told that you have to be like, you know,
have a little bit of a hard exterior, and people
will come up.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
To you less.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I can't believe they're even paying attention to you. Usually
people don't pay attention to anyone here. Yeah, you know,
and this is without doubt, millions and millions and millions
of people live here. But it can be the loneliest
place on earth.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
This se but it's also so fun and right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Raining, phones are ringing, got to answer it. Let's see
Hold on, this is Moine? Is this moin? Yep, that's
pre ordered your album. Sorry about the oilers, don't talk
about it. This has been the worst ever. Did you
were you watching?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yes? We're huge Edmondon oilers fans, Me and my boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, so we're huge. Mind answer fans.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Okay, don't like you guys as much.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Talk about it all right, So moyne Uh, Lauren Spencer
Smith is here. What do you want to say? Say something?
Say something nice? She needs it.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Hi, Hi Lauren, a big fan. I have your uh,
your album pre ordered. I also have your first album, Mirror.
I have a fine copy of both, so looking forward
to the album. I'm going to be at the show
in uh February as well, so looking forward to all
of it.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh my goodness, I love you. You're so iconic.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Wow. Where are you?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
I'm from Queens, New York. I'm driving to work right now.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Wait when when's the show?
Speaker 6 (11:37):
February twentieth?
Speaker 2 (11:39):
You're in town till February.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
We have a couple other shows before that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I just love it. So you being yelled at on
the streets I'm never been in this place. Well, look,
you know there are many many Lauren Spencer fans, Lauren
Spencer Smith fans like you, and uh, you're you're all
going to gather together. There's that energy that I mean,
You're only there to see one person, so that energy
is going to be amazing. Have a great time at
the show. Do me a favor, moye. After the show
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in February, if we're all still working here, call us
and let us know how it was. Okay, of course, Elvis,
I love you.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
I just want to say that I've been listening to
you guys for five years almost. You guys make my
day every day on my way to work. I love
you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, thank you. Keep working and you need a longer
commute so we can spend more time together every day.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
No, no, I have enough of a long commute.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Thank you. Okay, keep it, keep it that way. Thank
you so much more. Have a great day.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
This's a thing, you know, every winter or every Christmas season,
we do our jingle Ball concert at the Garden, right,
and it's that one night a year where almost everyone
in the entire garden is there because we brought them
there so we feel like people like us. Yeah, so
you know, you can walk down the streets in New
York and people yell at you and throw things at you.
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But in that room in February, we need to do
your show. It's nothing but you and they're there, and
so yeah, is that real? Is that real life?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah? Real life?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Okay, I don't know. I don't think it's real life.
You're stuffing the ballot box with people that like you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
That's that's honestly. My favorite part about a hard ticket show.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Is that everyone has my ticket to only see me,
and so the love feels so mutual.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
It's very obvious. Maybe I should even bring it up
any other questions before she forgets the words of next,
I don't do that. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Let's let's
can we have a glass of wine or something. There's
nothing wrong with.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
That, exactly, nothing normalize it.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I learned something from her. I didn't realize that when
artists forget the lyrics, they just yell to the crowd like.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
How you doing today, New York, And they put someone's
in the middle of a verse and just starts yelling
the words were forgotten.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
For sure, to.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Self yeah, we're learning a lot about this business of you.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Maybe I shouldn't have given that away. It's like everyone's
gonna blame me.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
We have secrets here in our industry as well. Oh god, yeah,
you call and request a song, we never play it.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's true, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I mean if someone called right now, hey, can you play? No,
I mean, but we say yes because the chances are
we're going to play it eventually, because we played the
same four songs over and over over.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
When you hear it, you think it was yah.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But it's not. Any other secrets from the music business
you want to share with.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Us, Maybe you don't think so, all right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
So Lauren Spencer Smith nice enough to wake up in
the middle of the night to come in here and
looking up unreleased music from the album of course the
art of being a mess? What part of being a
mess is looking up about?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Ooh uh, it's actually a very sad song. I one
of my best friends passed away when I was in
high school, and I that's kind of what the whole
song is about. It took me like seven years to
get the courage to write the song.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And what did this song do to help move you
over that? Point. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Honestly, I felt like even at the time, I didn't
know necessarily feel ready. But everyone who I wrote it
with is they're just the best people. They're so comforting,
They're like my favorite people to collaborate with. And it
just felt like such a safe space and everyone understood
what I was going through and they had been through
it too.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But after we wrote it, I felt like a part.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Of me had been healed, that I finally said what
I wanted to do on a song.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
And what a gift it is to be able to
retreat to your own space, yeah and sit down and write.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, it's such a gift.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And now we're going to hear what that is? All right, scary,
let's do it. Lauren Spencer Smith, this is looking up.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Well, why that was awesome?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Wow? And you didn't look at the words one time?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
No, I remember them.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, and I can see why you. I can see
why you wouldn't forget those. Yeah, pretty Johnny, thank you. Wow,
that was awesome.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Any thoughts, what do you think remind me of my dad?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Talk about I lost my dad, like you know, you know,
a couple of years back, and like I was, I
always think those same things, like where'd you go? Like,
I think you're in heaven, but you know, give me
more signs, and so it's kind of like, you know,
I don't want to start crying.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's exactly, honestly what the song is about.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Like I didn't necessarily grow up with a super strong
sense of faith, and I think that's something people really
struggle with in grief.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
So I'm glad that you connected me to the song.
I think there are cars full of crying people right now.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, I'm sorry, everyone happy?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Is it weird that I think of my dad?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
I look down, there's album about that?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
What's that? Scary?
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
We have the recorded song right here? We have a
recorded song here? What is it? What is it?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
It's in the system.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, earlier we're speaking other languages. All the best to you,
thank you. And so how many cities do you have
ahead of you on this tour? You're going, God, oh god?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That seventy Yeah, what a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You know in the typical world of touring, is is
that like a heavy number or is that light?
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, it's like a decent It's not like Ed Sheeran
like bros on tour every day but for my status,
I think that's a decent amount of shode.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, no breaks in there. It's just no, there's breaks.
There's it's not oh my god, seventy straight who even
every other day would be a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, there's like, you know, like a six week chunk,
a little break Australia break.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You got time to like next week.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Look around while you're in these different places.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
It depends on the place. Some days we have a
day off, I'm like, whoo, Paris, and then other days
you're like, wow, that was nice Milan and they weren't
even there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What's it like? I mean touring, being on stage, the
family unit that's traveling from show to show to show
and then it's done.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's pretty sad.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Talk about that. Yeah, it's a bitter sweet thing or
more better than sweet.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Honestly.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I my entire touring party. I love like I didn't
necessarily grow up with a huge family, and so I
love being around people. I love living on a bus
with everyone. It's just it's so stupid. It's just fun.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Are you an only child?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, I had a brother and some step siblings. It's
a complicated disaster. Yeah, right, So when my touring party
is not complicated. Everyone just loves each other.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
So girls for the tour bus tour bush rules, no.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Pooing, Yeah that's automatic.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
We have like a bed time, you know, like no
one's allowed to like go crazy after midnight. We're all
trying to sleep. But I feel like it's just you
have to have a good vibe.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You gotta be funny, you.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Know, for anyone who grew up, I was kind of
an only child too, But this is I think that's
why I like coming in this room every day because
I have this is the family, so you know exactly
what that's about.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I feel like I'm camping with everyone so much fun.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's been a pleasure having here. Lauren Lauren Spencer Smith
album The Art of Being a Mess. It officially drops
June twenty seventh. June twenty seventh, that's this month.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, eight days next Friday.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, this is like Christmas Eve a little bit. I'm like, yeah,
oh god, it's almost here. Yeah, are you like scratching
yourself because you're nervous?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And I'm just excited for it to be out and
everyone to have all the songs.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
And what's done is done. Yeah, you're happy with what's
going to be there. There are some artists that are
never happy, like we can't release this yet, we have
to release it.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, I could definitely find things within it, like oh
I could like I could do this better, but I'll just.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Be doing that forever. So it is what it is.
It's as perfect as it can be.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I wonder if Through the Age, as any ego blasted
artist ever said, I know it's been out for a week.
We got to bring it back and recall everything. I
bet they have. I bet they've remastered things and re
recorded things.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Artists are crazy, like we drive ourselves nuts with like
oh the guitar is not right, or like this vocal
isn't the same like it.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, but it doesn't sound like you're really obsessing over
anything crazy about this album. It sounds like you're very
pleased with it.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I'm like this needed to come out, this has We've
been writing it for too long.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I'm like, let's put on now, all.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Right, all right, let's do it. The Art of Being
a Mess out to twenty seventh of this month, Lauren
Spencer Smith, thanks for being here today. That was awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Thanks for having me
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