April 9, 2024 • 18 mins
Our favorite, Mo Rocca, stops by to talk about Elvis' CBS Sunday Morning piece which is still filming and lets us know all about the "walk and talk".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from the Mercedes Finz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We always love it when Morocca shows up and eat
our catering.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yes we specific they got it for him, though.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We got the crunchy chicken sandwiches for you. And he
walks in and Moses, I'm sorry, I'm wearing a vissil line.
I can't do that.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Oh no, but don't you take it out so you
can eat and then put a bait.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
That's what they tell you. It's a prison. This is
the first warning I've had it, and it's a prison.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, this is day one.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This is day one. This is the first time I've
been interviewed wearing it.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You can hear it.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You've been totally right. I sound like even more like
Daffy Doc.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know you sound like Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
I'm getting a vissiline in a week and I can't
wait to ken like Miley Irish.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm so rish.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She happened disiline?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Is that what she sounds like that?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I think it's Veneer, but I'm not here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
No, I know I sound like a cat, so which
is fine.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So fine, don't don't that's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think you sound great, but.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's just it is a lifetime sentence. And I just
this morning, I just I just thought, I wish that
I could be like Rip van Winkle and just go
to sleep for twenty years and have somebody gently replace
the cartridges in my mouth every two weeks, and then
wake up and be Matt Damon.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's how he did it.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
That what was the decision, mo, that you decided at
this point in your life?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You know what time for? In Vizzilon, my dentist said
that there was one tooth I can't remember, not the canine.
I always the canine makes me laugh. I don't know
what this one is called. That was sort of drifting
in a weird place. It was sort of becoming a
snaggle tooth, which I wouldn't have mine dead. And I didn.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I snaggle tooth because you know, I'll tell you why.
I'll finish your story then i'll know.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I just was thinking, Also, did Snaggleplus have a snaggle tooth? Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I don't know, go plus.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
There's fifteen people in here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
No, No, he wasn't Flintstones. He was Hannah Barbara, but
he was he's a a cartoon cat. Okay, Yes, everyone
knows him.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because he was flamboyant. Doesn't mean he liked other male cats.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I'm pretty sure that he was a chim cat who
liked other tomcats.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So he has a very straight set of I mean
his teeth are very both of them.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What what what?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I didn't realize he was gay.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We don't know. He's a cartoon character. They said he's gay.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, he's gay, Like at this point, he's wikipedia gay.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
Taylor. He did.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, he was very much like Grip Tailor. He was
very much like Rip Tailor.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I had him vis a line and I kept
going out to dinner and leaving them at the restaurant.
So it was thousands of dollars later. I'm like, that is.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
A crazyly expensive bad habits.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's why I still have crooked teeth. Moy, did you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Just get regular braces? You could just have a good time.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It looked like Bobby Brady.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I love it. Yeah, I love braces.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So Morock is here. We got a celebrate several things.
First of all, your book is out in several months.
I've seen this on your one of your social media accounts.
This is book two, Bally book three? Oh really?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So mobituaries that beautiful beautiful book and think, but there
was one before that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Then it was I wrote a book about called All
the President's Pets, the story of one reporter who refused
to roll over. It was sort of a cross between
Charlotte's webbon the Da Vinci Code. I took all of
the of the presidential pets, actual presidential pets who had
lived in the White House, because basically I had this
store of unusable knowledge. And an agent came to me
and said, do you have a book in you? And
(03:37):
I said, well, I know everything about all the pets
who have lived in the White House. And he said,
what can you do with that? And so I created
a thriller about it was actually doing it. Where do you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
All?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Twelve people who read it can tell you all about it.
But I loved it that it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
About it's gonna be my beach reading this year.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I'd be very curious to see what you think after
you You'll be like, wait, I had no idea. I
took peyod before I read this, But yes, it was
a thriller about a white house. I wrote it in
two thousand and four, where all the decisions were actually
being made by White House pets of the past. They
all were living forever on the South Lawn. It was
(04:19):
pretty freaky, but it was really fun.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
To write, you know we I mean when you has
this been a lifelong thing with you since you were
a kid. Your imagination has just been a vital best
friend of yours the whole time, because your imagination is
vivid and fantastic and all those words.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Well, thank you. Yeah, I think it is. And I
think my father really really nurtured that and supported it. Yeah,
I think he really he Yes, absolutely, just if you
go with the idea and just keep pursuing it, and yeah,
so I'm happy about that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, I wonder how many parents have kids, maybe
several kids, but there's that one child of theirs that
is just always coming up with great stories, maybe lies
about imaginary friends or whatever, but they're just so interestingly
multi layered as a kid. And to be able to
have a child like that, nurture that, like your dad did, ye,
(05:16):
nurture that. Let's have kids. Let's have kids. All I'm
not doing it, County, Let's have kids.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yeah, baby, you would have been a great Jeopardy host,
Thank you very much, and the best one.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You need to go and reset this.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I will tell you and I'm not just being a
flatterer here when I when I did do and I
think I told you guys about this last time when
I did do Celebrity Jeopardy, I mean I was really
impressed by Ken Jennings and I don't I mean, maybe
that seems obvious, but it's you know, manning those controls
is pretty difficult, and he was pretty flawless.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And he started out as a contestant, great contestant.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It's so crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And he made the leap. Look at that. Yeah, I
was watching him the other day. I was thinking, he
seems very polished for someone who is not from that world. Yeah,
but now he's winning it. He's doing it really well.
By the way, just turning us on Morocca is here
from CBO well CBS Sunday Morning. But so many other
things you do, and so we always love when you
visit us, and you he always I tell you. Mo
(06:15):
and I hung out at jingle Ball backstage at the
Garden and the only thing he wanted was a Krispy
Chicken sandwich. So our friends from Green Goes brought Chrispy
Chicken sandwiches just for you today.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That I am so honored, and they were amazing, and Gandhi,
the taco that you created was also great.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, my taco, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Mo.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I wish I would have created it. They created it.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But I went so many times, probably like three or
four times a week to get that taco during the
pandemic that they said, oh my god, we're gonna name
this thing after you. But now I should take all
the credit. I wish, But it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Is there a dish at a New York restaurant they
should probably name after you because you eat it all
the time?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh? Well, I you know it's funny. I always go
for this sort of chicken and avocado RepA, you know,
at a Venezuelan place or Eighth Street. That's really great. Uh,
And I'm not sure, you know, I'm still looking for
and I know everyone hates this word. I'm still looking
for a very moist barbecue chicken froggy.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He said the word. I'm going to let that go.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's sort of like a jar where I had to
drop a quarter. Now that that really is disgusting. I'm
not putting my viciline in there that will just grow.
It'll see monkeys will be crawling out of it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, So the so the Morocco I'm into those.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes, the Morocca.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I love them. It's it isn't what you think. If
you don't know what a rap it is, it's a
R E.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
P A. And by the way, you know that that
was so much fun that interview with Jason Trulo and
Michael Booble and aren't they They're great And when they
talked about their joint name, the whole time I was thinking,
oh God, please don't let it be Boo Bullo. It's yeah,
it's l I think they have.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
It was so long ago, you know what. Interviewing guys
like that is easy because they really you just pull
the string and they go, like Chattie Cathy, remember, is
it like that with you? I Mean there are some
people who it's like pulling friggin teeth out of them.
But sometimes you just say idea and they go with it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes, But the I think oftentimes the decisive factor is
how they feel about the show. So if they come
into it saying they love CBS Sunday Morning, or if
they in fact love the show longtime watchers, it just
greases the wheels. It's so much easier. And that's why
your interview, like so many with Michael and Jason, was
(08:42):
just so easy because they love you and love the show.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I guess so CBS Sunday Morning, by the way, I've
always thought it's always been the best show on TV,
and people really are up on Sunday Morning, says yes.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
He talks to us about it every time. Did you
watch CBS Sunday Night this week?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Rarely an episode goes by what I don't shed it
here of laughter or sadness or whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You can be laughing or crying at your piece.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
We don't know if there's gonna be piece you. I
don't see a flo I don't see a story for me.
I don't see a story for there.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
If there is a story there, but I think you
won't be laughing, you won't be crying. You'll be in shock.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Them so so Mo and Michelle, I mean, the entire
incredible crew from CBS came all the way it is
Santa Fe, New Mexico, and we got to hang out
with each other.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We went out to dinner with each other. Mo and
I actually had fisticuffs about he pushed me.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What we were doing a walk in talk where you're walking,
the camera's way away, there's a catch you talking and
we had to walk past the camera and he pushed me.
I said, why are you pushing me? He says, I
was afraid you were going to stop in front of
the camera. We needed the shot. Do you remember that mine?
I'm like, you pushed me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
He's a director and then I wrapped your knuckles.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
No, it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Was nineteen fifties Catholic school. That's how we do things
on all of your guys, like, oh my god, yeah,
I almost pushed Michael Douglass into the Pacific Ocean. I
kind of luck there, and he just wasn't getting it right.
The walk and talk is everything talking.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
About the walk and explain to people to walk and talk.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So this is what okay. The walk and talk is
the most delicious, ridiculous stereotype of a television profile. And
it's you know, I mean, Barbara Walters was great at it.
You know, she would be like, you know, share has
been a star ever since nineteen sixties. And you're walking
through like the estate or something. It's it's something to
cut to to so that it's b roll, so that
(10:42):
you can see another scene and transition between different parts
of his hitdown interview, and you know it when you
see it. But for the longest, I had heard that
David Sidaris, the great humorous David Sedaris, would not consent
to be profiled because he dreaded the walk into how
anxious it would make him. And I can't remember, I
(11:05):
was in some interview and this came up, and then
and I had heard that Tina Fay was also anti
walk and talk, and I said, oh, well, that's interesting.
Apparently tinafa also has an anti walk and talk policy.
And little did I know that the publicist who was
on site for this other interview also represented Tina And
(11:25):
then she just piped up she because TINFA has no
such anti walk and talk policy, And I just love,
I just love that this was being saying. So, by
the way, so I don't I don't actually want to
spread misinformation here. Apparently Tafe is not against walk and talk,
but I would I would respect her if she were,
because it is so ridiculous. It is so awkward and ridiculous,
(11:46):
and I love it. So the walk and talk is
this if you didn't get it, let me I just
learned this. So you'll see you'll see the reporter, the
journalist and the guest walking and talking with each other,
but you don't hear them, but you'll hear a voice
over later going. We took a walk down the streets
of Santa Fe and we went to a local restaurant.
The thing is that you're talking about things that are
(12:08):
so stupid. Yeah, I mean they're not a part of
the interview. For instance, most like, so do you prefer
dark chocolate or milk chocolate.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I'm like, that's the conversation we were having, but it
looks like we're in this really great conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, usually there'll be a little sound up sometimes, so
you'll be sort of like, you know, Elvis took me
to the heart of Santa Fe, and all you'll just
hear is Nombae. Everyone's obsessed with nom Bay and Santa Fe.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
When you see this, when you see the walking talk,
now you know the background story. This is behind the
scene stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I know because you do see it all the time.
So now I know you're not talking about anything.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, my fantasy is to do eight like an eight
minute profile of someone that's just one continuous walk and
talk and just so that the audience at first will
be like, this is okay, this is nice. We're seeing
you know, the correspondent, you know, walking with I don't know,
woakuing Phoenix or whatever, and and and just it just
(13:05):
keeps going. And then I think that.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Would be so there's never any interview whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, I think it would be a discussion, but it
would just be one continuing shot like where are they walking?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And then never they never get anywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
They never get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We had to go to this one point way up
the street and walk toward the camera and passed it
seventeen times. Yeah, because they wanted to get it just right. Well,
we wanted you to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Get your steps in because that was really sort of
an intervention.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Thanks mo No.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And at that altitude, believe me, I deserve hazard pay
for a walk and talk that high up. It's just
I was lightheaded, but I didn't fall into a crabass.
As a miracle tacos they call them. There.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
If somebody turns down the walk and talk, can the
interview still go?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's interesting I think that that in some cases is
a deal breaker. Oh, I mean, look, if the person
has trouble walking, will give them a break.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
A roll and talk if they're in a wheelchair. Right,
why not?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
There's so much I can say right now that would
get me hated. But the yeah, you know, it's interesting. Look,
there was one great star of the Golden Age of
Hollywood who was less mobile than we thought. Her publicists
had lied to get her a profile. They didn't need
to lie, and they said, oh, she'll be tap dancing,
and it turned out she couldn't walk, so there was
(14:24):
no I mean really, they were like, she'll dance for you,
she'll do all this and and uh and none of
that was happening. I'm okay, oh no, I can't. I
just feel bad because she's still with us a bit.
I mean a minute, she's dead. I'll tell you could
(14:44):
do that. But anyway, yeah, and then she think she
was literally wheeled at We thought, okay, we're not going
to be she's not going to be tap dancing and
we're not going to get a walk and talk.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
What if you had their nose and their belly at
the same time they could do that, because that's hard
to do.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Well, we're doing sobriety tests.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
She's trying to freshen your game. So I got a question.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Shows like CBS Sunday Morning in sixty minutes they offer you, guys,
offer long form storytelling, which you don't see in many
TV shows these days.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Why are these like there's only a couple of these
shows that exist that allow this type of journalism.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I would say that there is still an appetite for it,
but everyone else has gotten really nervous. It's sort of
like a comic who starts speeding up their delivery because
they're getting nervous and they're afraid they're losing the audience.
And our fearless leader, our executive producer, Ran Morrison, who's
kind of a legend in television news, has sort of
(15:45):
said no, and we're going to We're going to keep
doing things the way we do it, not you know,
not be stubborn about it. But I think other people
got nervous and when like, okay, everyone has a short
attention span, a shorter attention span, which they most people do,
but there's still some people left who want to hear
someone complete a sentence.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's what I love about it. That's what I love
about CV Sunday Morning get storytelling. But as you say this, Nate,
the producers over there going we got to wrap up.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I see what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
What he's doing.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
He was like, well, let's walk and talk him out
of here.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You'll never be a legend in TV journalism. We no,
I mean, I'm doing my job. Like you know, you
have your own producer Mo, and I'm sure she has
to do. What is your job?
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, at this point I.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Need to make you rap because we do have how
many minutes of commercials?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We still let the game about twenty three? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Okay, well why don't we just to wrap things up?
We leave you now with Nate pushing Mo out of
the studio.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So oh he's rolling about. Are you really got to
roll Mo out of the studio? That is so tacky?
That is so tacky. You just you just catapulted it.
I think I objected both. So, I mean, is there
(17:06):
really going to be a storials anyone.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
In your time? That is a good question.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Time. Have you ever like you have follow up question, have.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You ever filmed really quickly? Have you ever filmed like
all this time like you wasted with Elvis and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't do one?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
No, we just want to. We just want to be
absolutely sure that he doesn't commit a crime that will
get us in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You know, the longer you wait, the more likelihood.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
As I said, we are like we are on such
a grad school schedule. I mean, I'm still finishing my
piece on the first top gun. I mean at this
like you should get to that time. It's so timely.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Small. We always love when you come to see us.
You always you always leave the room a lot smarter
than it was when you walked in. Now rolled his
ass out of here.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
The Mercedes Ben's interview lounge
Live from the Mercedes Finz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
We always love it when Morocca shows up and eat
our catering.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yes we specific they got it for him, though.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
We got the crunchy chicken sandwiches for you. And he
walks in and Moses, I'm sorry, I'm wearing a vissil line.
I can't do that.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
Oh no, but don't you take it out so you
can eat and then put a bait.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
That's what they tell you. It's a prison. This is
the first warning I've had it, and it's a prison.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh, this is day one.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
This is day one. This is the first time I've
been interviewed wearing it.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You can hear it.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You've been totally right. I sound like even more like
Daffy Doc.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know you sound like Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
I'm getting a vissiline in a week and I can't
wait to ken like Miley Irish.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm so rish.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
She happened disiline?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Is that what she sounds like that?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I think it's Veneer, but I'm not here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
No, I know I sound like a cat, so which
is fine.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So fine, don't don't that's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I think you sound great, but.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's just it is a lifetime sentence. And I just
this morning, I just I just thought, I wish that
I could be like Rip van Winkle and just go
to sleep for twenty years and have somebody gently replace
the cartridges in my mouth every two weeks, and then
wake up and be Matt Damon.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's how he did it.
Speaker 6 (01:18):
That what was the decision, mo, that you decided at
this point in your life?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You know what time for? In Vizzilon, my dentist said
that there was one tooth I can't remember, not the canine.
I always the canine makes me laugh. I don't know
what this one is called. That was sort of drifting
in a weird place. It was sort of becoming a
snaggle tooth, which I wouldn't have mine dead. And I didn.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I snaggle tooth because you know, I'll tell you why.
I'll finish your story then i'll know.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I just was thinking, Also, did Snaggleplus have a snaggle tooth? Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I don't know, go plus.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
There's fifteen people in here.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
No, No, he wasn't Flintstones. He was Hannah Barbara, but
he was he's a a cartoon cat. Okay, Yes, everyone
knows him.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Because he was flamboyant. Doesn't mean he liked other male cats.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I'm pretty sure that he was a chim cat who
liked other tomcats.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
So he has a very straight set of I mean
his teeth are very both of them.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What what what?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I didn't realize he was gay.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We don't know. He's a cartoon character. They said he's gay.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Okay, he's gay, Like at this point, he's wikipedia gay.
Speaker 7 (02:33):
Taylor. He did.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, he was very much like Grip Tailor. He was
very much like Rip Tailor.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So I had him vis a line and I kept
going out to dinner and leaving them at the restaurant.
So it was thousands of dollars later. I'm like, that is.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
A crazyly expensive bad habits.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That's why I still have crooked teeth. Moy, did you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Just get regular braces? You could just have a good time.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It looked like Bobby Brady.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I love it. Yeah, I love braces.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So Morock is here. We got a celebrate several things.
First of all, your book is out in several months.
I've seen this on your one of your social media accounts.
This is book two, Bally book three? Oh really?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So mobituaries that beautiful beautiful book and think, but there
was one before that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Then it was I wrote a book about called All
the President's Pets, the story of one reporter who refused
to roll over. It was sort of a cross between
Charlotte's webbon the Da Vinci Code. I took all of
the of the presidential pets, actual presidential pets who had
lived in the White House, because basically I had this
store of unusable knowledge. And an agent came to me
and said, do you have a book in you? And
(03:37):
I said, well, I know everything about all the pets
who have lived in the White House. And he said,
what can you do with that? And so I created
a thriller about it was actually doing it. Where do you?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
All?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Twelve people who read it can tell you all about it.
But I loved it that it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
About it's gonna be my beach reading this year.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I'd be very curious to see what you think after
you You'll be like, wait, I had no idea. I
took peyod before I read this, But yes, it was
a thriller about a white house. I wrote it in
two thousand and four, where all the decisions were actually
being made by White House pets of the past. They
all were living forever on the South Lawn. It was
(04:19):
pretty freaky, but it was really fun.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
To write, you know we I mean when you has
this been a lifelong thing with you since you were
a kid. Your imagination has just been a vital best
friend of yours the whole time, because your imagination is
vivid and fantastic and all those words.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Well, thank you. Yeah, I think it is. And I
think my father really really nurtured that and supported it. Yeah,
I think he really he Yes, absolutely, just if you
go with the idea and just keep pursuing it, and yeah,
so I'm happy about that.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, I wonder how many parents have kids, maybe
several kids, but there's that one child of theirs that
is just always coming up with great stories, maybe lies
about imaginary friends or whatever, but they're just so interestingly
multi layered as a kid. And to be able to
have a child like that, nurture that, like your dad did, ye,
(05:16):
nurture that. Let's have kids. Let's have kids. All I'm
not doing it, County, Let's have kids.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yeah, baby, you would have been a great Jeopardy host,
Thank you very much, and the best one.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You need to go and reset this.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I will tell you and I'm not just being a
flatterer here when I when I did do and I
think I told you guys about this last time when
I did do Celebrity Jeopardy, I mean I was really
impressed by Ken Jennings and I don't I mean, maybe
that seems obvious, but it's you know, manning those controls
is pretty difficult, and he was pretty flawless.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And he started out as a contestant, great contestant.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
It's so crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And he made the leap. Look at that. Yeah, I
was watching him the other day. I was thinking, he
seems very polished for someone who is not from that world. Yeah,
but now he's winning it. He's doing it really well.
By the way, just turning us on Morocca is here
from CBO well CBS Sunday Morning. But so many other
things you do, and so we always love when you
visit us, and you he always I tell you. Mo
(06:15):
and I hung out at jingle Ball backstage at the
Garden and the only thing he wanted was a Krispy
Chicken sandwich. So our friends from Green Goes brought Chrispy
Chicken sandwiches just for you today.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
That I am so honored, and they were amazing, and Gandhi,
the taco that you created was also great.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yes, my taco, I thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Mo.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I wish I would have created it. They created it.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But I went so many times, probably like three or
four times a week to get that taco during the
pandemic that they said, oh my god, we're gonna name
this thing after you. But now I should take all
the credit. I wish, But it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Is there a dish at a New York restaurant they
should probably name after you because you eat it all
the time?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh? Well, I you know it's funny. I always go
for this sort of chicken and avocado RepA, you know,
at a Venezuelan place or Eighth Street. That's really great. Uh,
And I'm not sure, you know, I'm still looking for
and I know everyone hates this word. I'm still looking
for a very moist barbecue chicken froggy.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He said the word. I'm going to let that go.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's sort of like a jar where I had to
drop a quarter. Now that that really is disgusting. I'm
not putting my viciline in there that will just grow.
It'll see monkeys will be crawling out of it.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, So the so the Morocco I'm into those.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yes, the Morocca.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I love them. It's it isn't what you think. If
you don't know what a rap it is, it's a
R E.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
P A. And by the way, you know that that
was so much fun that interview with Jason Trulo and
Michael Booble and aren't they They're great And when they
talked about their joint name, the whole time I was thinking,
oh God, please don't let it be Boo Bullo. It's yeah,
it's l I think they have.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
It was so long ago, you know what. Interviewing guys
like that is easy because they really you just pull
the string and they go, like Chattie Cathy, remember, is
it like that with you? I Mean there are some
people who it's like pulling friggin teeth out of them.
But sometimes you just say idea and they go with it.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yes, But the I think oftentimes the decisive factor is
how they feel about the show. So if they come
into it saying they love CBS Sunday Morning, or if
they in fact love the show longtime watchers, it just
greases the wheels. It's so much easier. And that's why
your interview, like so many with Michael and Jason, was
(08:42):
just so easy because they love you and love the show.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I guess so CBS Sunday Morning, by the way, I've
always thought it's always been the best show on TV,
and people really are up on Sunday Morning, says yes.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
He talks to us about it every time. Did you
watch CBS Sunday Night this week?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Rarely an episode goes by what I don't shed it
here of laughter or sadness or whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
You can be laughing or crying at your piece.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
We don't know if there's gonna be piece you. I
don't see a flo I don't see a story for me.
I don't see a story for there.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
If there is a story there, but I think you
won't be laughing, you won't be crying. You'll be in shock.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Them so so Mo and Michelle, I mean, the entire
incredible crew from CBS came all the way it is
Santa Fe, New Mexico, and we got to hang out
with each other.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We went out to dinner with each other. Mo and
I actually had fisticuffs about he pushed me.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Excellent.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
What we were doing a walk in talk where you're walking,
the camera's way away, there's a catch you talking and
we had to walk past the camera and he pushed me.
I said, why are you pushing me? He says, I
was afraid you were going to stop in front of
the camera. We needed the shot. Do you remember that mine?
I'm like, you pushed me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
He's a director and then I wrapped your knuckles.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
No, it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Was nineteen fifties Catholic school. That's how we do things
on all of your guys, like, oh my god, yeah,
I almost pushed Michael Douglass into the Pacific Ocean. I
kind of luck there, and he just wasn't getting it right.
The walk and talk is everything talking.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
About the walk and explain to people to walk and talk.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So this is what okay. The walk and talk is
the most delicious, ridiculous stereotype of a television profile. And
it's you know, I mean, Barbara Walters was great at it.
You know, she would be like, you know, share has
been a star ever since nineteen sixties. And you're walking
through like the estate or something. It's it's something to
cut to to so that it's b roll, so that
(10:42):
you can see another scene and transition between different parts
of his hitdown interview, and you know it when you
see it. But for the longest, I had heard that
David Sidaris, the great humorous David Sedaris, would not consent
to be profiled because he dreaded the walk into how
anxious it would make him. And I can't remember, I
(11:05):
was in some interview and this came up, and then
and I had heard that Tina Fay was also anti
walk and talk, and I said, oh, well, that's interesting.
Apparently tinafa also has an anti walk and talk policy.
And little did I know that the publicist who was
on site for this other interview also represented Tina And
(11:25):
then she just piped up she because TINFA has no
such anti walk and talk policy, And I just love,
I just love that this was being saying. So, by
the way, so I don't I don't actually want to
spread misinformation here. Apparently Tafe is not against walk and talk,
but I would I would respect her if she were,
because it is so ridiculous. It is so awkward and ridiculous,
(11:46):
and I love it. So the walk and talk is
this if you didn't get it, let me I just
learned this. So you'll see you'll see the reporter, the
journalist and the guest walking and talking with each other,
but you don't hear them, but you'll hear a voice
over later going. We took a walk down the streets
of Santa Fe and we went to a local restaurant.
The thing is that you're talking about things that are
(12:08):
so stupid. Yeah, I mean they're not a part of
the interview. For instance, most like, so do you prefer
dark chocolate or milk chocolate.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I'm like, that's the conversation we were having, but it
looks like we're in this really great conversation.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Well, usually there'll be a little sound up sometimes, so
you'll be sort of like, you know, Elvis took me
to the heart of Santa Fe, and all you'll just
hear is Nombae. Everyone's obsessed with nom Bay and Santa Fe.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
When you see this, when you see the walking talk,
now you know the background story. This is behind the
scene stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
I know because you do see it all the time.
So now I know you're not talking about anything.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, my fantasy is to do eight like an eight
minute profile of someone that's just one continuous walk and
talk and just so that the audience at first will
be like, this is okay, this is nice. We're seeing
you know, the correspondent, you know, walking with I don't know,
woakuing Phoenix or whatever, and and and just it just
(13:05):
keeps going. And then I think that.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Would be so there's never any interview whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Well, I think it would be a discussion, but it
would just be one continuing shot like where are they walking?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And then never they never get anywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
They never get anywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We had to go to this one point way up
the street and walk toward the camera and passed it
seventeen times. Yeah, because they wanted to get it just right. Well,
we wanted you to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Get your steps in because that was really sort of
an intervention.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Thanks mo No.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And at that altitude, believe me, I deserve hazard pay
for a walk and talk that high up. It's just
I was lightheaded, but I didn't fall into a crabass.
As a miracle tacos they call them. There.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
If somebody turns down the walk and talk, can the
interview still go?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's interesting I think that that in some cases is
a deal breaker. Oh, I mean, look, if the person
has trouble walking, will give them a break.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
A roll and talk if they're in a wheelchair. Right,
why not?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
There's so much I can say right now that would
get me hated. But the yeah, you know, it's interesting. Look,
there was one great star of the Golden Age of
Hollywood who was less mobile than we thought. Her publicists
had lied to get her a profile. They didn't need
to lie, and they said, oh, she'll be tap dancing,
and it turned out she couldn't walk, so there was
(14:24):
no I mean really, they were like, she'll dance for you,
she'll do all this and and uh and none of
that was happening. I'm okay, oh no, I can't. I
just feel bad because she's still with us a bit.
I mean a minute, she's dead. I'll tell you could
(14:44):
do that. But anyway, yeah, and then she think she
was literally wheeled at We thought, okay, we're not going
to be she's not going to be tap dancing and
we're not going to get a walk and talk.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
What if you had their nose and their belly at
the same time they could do that, because that's hard
to do.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Well, we're doing sobriety tests.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
She's trying to freshen your game. So I got a question.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Shows like CBS Sunday Morning in sixty minutes they offer you, guys,
offer long form storytelling, which you don't see in many
TV shows these days.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Why are these like there's only a couple of these
shows that exist that allow this type of journalism.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I would say that there is still an appetite for it,
but everyone else has gotten really nervous. It's sort of
like a comic who starts speeding up their delivery because
they're getting nervous and they're afraid they're losing the audience.
And our fearless leader, our executive producer, Ran Morrison, who's
kind of a legend in television news, has sort of
(15:45):
said no, and we're going to We're going to keep
doing things the way we do it, not you know,
not be stubborn about it. But I think other people
got nervous and when like, okay, everyone has a short
attention span, a shorter attention span, which they most people do,
but there's still some people left who want to hear
someone complete a sentence.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's what I love about it. That's what I love
about CV Sunday Morning get storytelling. But as you say this, Nate,
the producers over there going we got to wrap up.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I see what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
What he's doing.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
He was like, well, let's walk and talk him out
of here.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You'll never be a legend in TV journalism. We no,
I mean, I'm doing my job. Like you know, you
have your own producer Mo, and I'm sure she has
to do. What is your job?
Speaker 7 (16:26):
Though?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Well, at this point I.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Need to make you rap because we do have how
many minutes of commercials?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We still let the game about twenty three? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Okay, well why don't we just to wrap things up?
We leave you now with Nate pushing Mo out of
the studio.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So oh he's rolling about. Are you really got to
roll Mo out of the studio? That is so tacky?
That is so tacky. You just you just catapulted it.
I think I objected both. So, I mean, is there
(17:06):
really going to be a storials anyone.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
In your time? That is a good question.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Time. Have you ever like you have follow up question, have.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
You ever filmed really quickly? Have you ever filmed like
all this time like you wasted with Elvis and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't do one?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
No, we just want to. We just want to be
absolutely sure that he doesn't commit a crime that will
get us in trouble.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
You know, the longer you wait, the more likelihood.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
As I said, we are like we are on such
a grad school schedule. I mean, I'm still finishing my
piece on the first top gun. I mean at this
like you should get to that time. It's so timely.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Small. We always love when you come to see us.
You always you always leave the room a lot smarter
than it was when you walked in. Now rolled his
ass out of here.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
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