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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from the Mercedes Benz Interview Lounge.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Finally he shows up. It's roll Model. Did you just
give us a woo whoo? I did you did? Yeah?
You're amazing. Your music's incredible. It makes me feel good.
Even though this album they say is kind of a
breakup album, I don't know. I felt pretty good at
the end of it.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
That's it. That was the goal. You gotta hide it
a little bit and disguise it and dress it up
and throw some glitter on the on the heartbreak songs.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Talk about it. You're well, I'll just talk about you
on the road with Gracie Abrams. How so real was that?
Because she just blew the hell up? She did, and
you're a part of that very small part. But it's
more so like getting to watch it is very cool.
I've she was one of the first people I met
when I first moved to La Ray, when she was
putting out her first EP, Minor, and so I got
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to like literally watch her from that moment to now
doing three nights at Radio City, and now this summer
she's doing two nights at uh what is the bank here?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Madison Square Garden?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh my god, wait, hold on, you're in New York City.
You forgot about Madison Square Garden. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
like going to Paris, Like, what's that big tower?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
What is that?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't love that for you? Good for you? But
another New York City moment par role model.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh yeah, okay, So I was creeping on your Instagram
and I saw a picture of you in Times Square
in front of your billboard.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, what is that like?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Because I can't even imagine.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
It's very cool. There's a new one. Now, there's another.
There's a new one. I haven't seen yet, but it's
it's unbelievable. I think those things that I feel like
those moments are for the moms and for the like
to show my mom and to absolutely it's not so
much for me. It's parents. See mom, I didn't waste
my time exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Did you stop anybody like? That is me?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You see that? That's me? No, I didn't, wouldn't when
you do.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'm not going to stop someone on the side of
the street and be like, that's they're gonna I don't
know why not.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It would be funny. Oh we did that, well, I
did that.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
We were in Aladdin on Broadway for like ten seconds,
but they put our names on the marquee. People were
walking by. I'm like, hey, did.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know that?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And everyone's like, please get away the horror someone.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
When you do your shows, there's so much energy, especially
when you start dancing with your salaries and things. We'll
get it to that in a second. Are you typically
a more quiet person when you're off the stage? Do
the lights and the music wake you up in a
weird way? You can't explain exactly that. I think he
just answered the question for me. Okay, okay, don I
have any more answers for you? What is it about
being on stage and that electrification happens to you?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know what it is. For the most part,
I'm quiet, and then I don't know what it is
on stage. I guess, like I think secretly, I probably
do love attention. I think I can't tell me all.
I think there's likely deep part that definitely like feeds
off it, but I try not to think about that.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
We can do a shot at tequila right now.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, I know, and then you never know what's going
to happen, Like that side of me might come on,
but I don't know, Like even as a kid, I
used to like dress up as Elvis and like perform
for my family, and like I was that kid who
is just like a little pick me. So maybe that
is still in me. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Probably, I'm thinking that's probably not an unusual thing. I mean,
we come on the show every day and scream like
a bunch of freaking lunatics, and then at ten oh one,
I don't want anyone to talk to me. I don't
want to be near anyone. Yeah, but you didn't get
into this for the attention. You got into this because
you of your love for the music I'm assuming, of course.
So growing up in Maine, which I've never been to Maine,
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but I feel like I need to move there. I
feel like I need to be on a craggy shoreline.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I've never heard craggy, but I think that you should
move there. It's like, in the summer, it's the most
beautiful place. Owner like it is. I have now, because
of touring and everything, seen a lot of very beautiful places,
but Maine in the summer is still my favorite.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But in traveling and world tours and this and that,
do you like living out of a suitcase? I mean,
is that something.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Traveling like that just isn't There's very cool parts, like
waking up in a new city, like you fall asleep
and then you wake up and you're in a new
city and that's like very cool. But it's just the
living out of a suitcase part that just like kills me.
And like, especially on this last stour, I just get
ripped apart on the internet for wearing the same thing
every day and people are like, you don't want your
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clothes crazy. Enrique Glecias has been doing it for years.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He has that same hat, he wears the same shit.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
He's like the hottest, don't even worry about it, and
that is listening. I won't defend myself on the internet,
but like I just I would urge them to go
live out of a suitcase for two months on the road.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You do wash your clothes though, someone do wash my clothes?
I don't know, but like you don't have to.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I get attached to certain things like this hat, which
probably smells like head. We all knows.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I want to talk about your music. I I pretty
much said, okay, I saw you on tonight's show with
Jimmy Fallon, so how do you describe his music? And
I said, well, I hear some americana ish kind of
what do you call it? I mean, if you have
to put it into a box, what do you how
would you describe your music?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I think Americana pop with like a little bit of
like folk sprinkle.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Then probably is that what you grew up loving to
listen to for sure, because I know you grew up
you like rap when you're growing up.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I mean a big part of that, like hip hop
at the time, and so that was all we listened to.
And then my parents would listen to like Neil Young
and Jackson Brown and like Nora Jones and and I
don't know, you get to a certain age where you're
like it's nostalgic and you start to gravitate and appreciate
the music that your parents listen to and things like that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So how'd you get into the business, How did you
start performing in front of crowds? And where where did
it come from?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I was in Pittsburgh in film school when I started
making music, And I mean the music scene there is
hip hop, like that's everything, and there's a massive scene
there and there's amazing artists. And as far as like
doing shows, I used to just I'd go on the
venues in Pittsburgh all their websites every once a week
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and it would say all the people that are coming
and performing. So I'd email them, send them all my
stuff and be like, can I please open for this person?
This person? You know to pay me please. I was
opening for like the weirdest shows. I was like little Debbie.
I opened for her.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
It's a snack case.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, it is a snack it's also an artist. Okay, sorry,
and I'm not sure if she still makes music, but yeah,
it was just weird. I was putting myself in these
little shows throughout Pittsburgh and then caught the attention of
some people in LA and yeah, did you get the
name role model from a pol Red movie? No, that's
on the internet, I know, okay, and it kills me.
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My first ever like interview, I had made a joke
and I was like, I got it from the Paul
Red movie role Models. It was my first interview, so
I didn't know that sarcasm does not translate it does
it on the internet. And I have since learned a
little bit. But yeah, no, it was not from that.
It was just like I was a kid and I
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thought it was hilarious to like call myself role model
these interviews?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Though, do you like doing these interviews?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I like doing this interview.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Good answer, you say what you want from do that more.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Fun and it's visual so people can kind of tell
when I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You can see the sarcasm, yes, exactly. But what about
the social media part of this this business? I mean,
you want to make music, you want to perform in
a studio, and you want to perform on a stage,
and then you have people online saying that you look
like you smell because you don't wash your clothes. I mean,
does it does that? Do you ever read the crapit's
out there, or do you'd kind of run away from you?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I feel like I try and for instance that let's
talk about my stench and.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I don't take you smell, right, I know.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
But as far as the Internet, that is like a narrative,
one of many, and it's like I choose to kind
of lean into that and then it just becomes like
a bit for a month or in that case much longer.
But I don't know, I've always just tried to like
lean into those things. I don't think anything on the
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internet really doesn't get to me. I know that it's
a little bubble and so nothing gets to me. I
try to lean into it and turn things into a joke.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I guess, well, good for you, because I'm three times
your age and it bothers the living hell out of me. Yeah. No,
I just like, I just I can't read it. It
just people say things that aren't true, and I just
want to go you stupid peoples.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
So that's also what I do. I do exactly that,
Like Twitter is kind of I like being messy, okay,
and so like when I do get that, I so
you're part of the problem, right, I will attack back
in like a somewhat joking way, but like, yeah, I
stand up for myself on the internet.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Good does it ever happen where somebody says something crappy
to you, then you snap back with something crappy and
then they accuse you of being a bully. Of course,
that's the funniest thing in the world to me.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I'm like, you started it.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Exactly, and now I have people that kind of will
continue the argument for me on Twitter to do that,
and the argument police well was that I'll come after him.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Finding yourself on stage, where do you go when you're
on stage. I know, we don't have a lot of
performers we've interviewed where they will go out on the
stage and do a show, then they're finished with the
show and they don't remember what happened. It just it's
this bultiple electricity. It's like sitting in an electric chair.
Do they still have those? Do you go places where
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in your mind? Are you? Are you just trying to
remember the lyrics? Are you just are you just into
the moment? Where do you? Where's your head?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I think I used to really focus on the lyrics
only because I just have bad memory. But I think
now after just touring so much for the past year,
it's just the show has become very much like Yeah,
I think now it's locked in and up to the
point where I'm not like thinking about the show itself.
I'm thinking about like what am I gonna eat after this?
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Or like whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Have you ever had a moment while you're performing where
you became somewhat overwhelmed? Where you were at that moment,
for instance, opening up for Gracie, being on that tour, whatever,
I don't know. We're in a small venue somewhere you
actually had a brief second blip in your head where like,
oh my god, I'm standing here doing this right now
and it just kind of freaked you out a little
bit or it.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, it hit you hard, definitely. I think this. We
just did the last show of my North American tour.
We just did it last week, I think, and it
was in Boston, which was, like I call it like
a hometown show because I haven't played a mane yet,
but I had like my whole family, like whole family
there during some of the slower songs where I'm sitting
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down and you can just kind of look at every everyone,
It's like I definitely had a moment to soak it up,
which was nice.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I just got goosebumps when you said that because I
can imagine just I'm just imagining what that felt like
for you.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, it was amazing. I don't ever, I feel like,
I don't ever soak things in like that, and that
was my chance to. It was the last show, so
I was like.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
We don't bathe your or take your close to the cleaners.
Not so good. You know. When you were on with
Jimmy Fallon on This Night show the other night, he
was there was one scene where he was actually up
in the audience and they were all singing the lyrics
to us Sally when the run the Wine runs out,
And I mean they all knew every lyric. I like,
they didn't know there's lyrics. They must have packed this
audience with people that know this guy, but they did,
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they did, and they're going so excited. And then when
you when you did your Sally Dancer dance with your
Sally of the night, Uh, that was the The energy
just felt so good. I can't imagine you walking on
stage in a bad mood and staying in a bad
mood off the stage because you just seem to have
so much fun.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
That truly like blew my mind. It blew all of
our minds. We were backstage watching it kind of live
on the screens or whatever, and we're all like in shock.
That was amazing. You can't really predict those things that
are like expect them in any way. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
My hope and prayer for you is you have more
and more moments like those we just discussed me too.
Good for you, Thank you, and having you here is
great and we wish nothing but great things for you.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Thank you.