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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone left on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get started
with the story of the day. So right after we
wrapped our show last week, this news broke that the

(00:28):
CEO had been killed by who everybody was thinking was
like a hired assassin by the way it appeared on video.
And as of yesterday, they have identified the suspect in
this case. Now, yeah, so are you shocked by the
guy that they found who did this? I'm shocked because
it was a twenty six year old His name is

(00:49):
Luigi Mangioni. Now that his background's coming out and they've
identified him, it seems like he was this Ivy League student.
He was a valedictorian of a very good high school
out of Baltimore, Maryland. He comes from this prominent real
estate family. He has a cousin that's a delegate in Maryland.
So I think normally when we see attacks of this nature,

(01:12):
it is not somebody that fits this profile. I think
the craziest part of this whole story, with social media
and especially finding out this guy's only twenty six years old.
He has this huge family, like this huge extended family.
He went to colleges at University of Penn and he
you know, he went to the school, so he has

(01:33):
tons of classmates. He had a job, like all this stuff.
So in theory, there's lots of people that know who
this guy is. And a McDonald's worker in Altoona, Pa
or it was a patriot. I can't really get the
story straight because I'm hearing it was a worker, but
then I'm hearing it was a patron who told the
worker to call nine one one whatever. Somebody at McDonald's

(01:55):
called nine one one and I'm and they basically said
that this guy looks like the guy that's in all
the videos and all of the photos that you're showing
on the news. So you mean to tell me that
a complete stranger from Altuna Pia recognized this guy from
pictures on the news. But no one that knows this
guy family with this guy. Nothing knew who this guy was.

(02:18):
It's just it just kind of it doesn't really pass
the smell test for me. Well, I'd argue that the
eyebrows one hundred percent sold him out, because i mean,
you know, we're Italian, so we have family members that
might be on the harrier side, but like most men
don't have eyebrows that thick and noticeable. So right, one
of the things that's going around the internet, because I'm

(02:39):
always trying to just find out, like all of the
conspiracy theories that are going on with this as well,
is that people are showing photos, the original photos and
showing that that person didn't really have as much of
a unibrow as this guy does. So the one picture
that they showed from him getting in the cab at
first from the bus when he originally arrived to New York,

(03:02):
I feel like that really looks like him and his
thick eyebrows. But some of the other pictures they're showing
from like the survealance from Starbucks, I mean, I don't
know if the pictures are altered, but they're showing his
picture versus this person's picture from the Starbucks, and there's
clearly a gap of skin between his eyebrows, whereas when

(03:22):
he was just picked up yesterday, he clearly has a
unibrow pretty much, right, And not to say when was that.
I mean, he's Italian and he could have plucked it
five days ago and that could be like full thickness
back again.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Right, So that's that's definitely a theory.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
But I'm just curious about all this different stuff that's
going online, especially because unless you're living under a rock,
you see that multiple people are for this guy who
killed the CEO of this healthcare company. In fact, Maria
and I were writing this up in the grossery room
yesterday in the morning because I was like, well, let's

(03:57):
just talk about it today in the grocery room because
everybody's really interested in this case, blah blah blah. And
then we were halfway through writing it when we saw
that they caught the guy. So immediately when we got
the guy's name, and we have the breaking news on
our phone, so we got it pretty quickly. I went
on x and I looked up his name and they
hadn't deleted any of his social media accounts yet and

(04:18):
he had thirteen point nine one thousand followers, right, So
then I set thirteen thousand followers, so I said, well,
does this guy have this many followers? Because then on
top of that, like, how did none of those people
realize it? And then Maria was looking on her phone
and she's like, oh my god, he has fourteen thousand followers,
and by the time we wrote our thing, which was

(04:39):
what time at night, like five o'clock at night, his
account had risen to over one hundred and twenty five
thousand followers. I feel like it was at like three
hundred thousand this morning.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I thought they got I thought.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
They took his account, so they took his YouTube, and
they took his Facebook down, which I had also seen.
And this is maybe the first eye profile case ever
where Goodreads is being cited. I don't think a lot
of people understands that your Goodreads profile is public. I
made mine private because I am embarrassed by my reading choices.

(05:13):
But everybody was going through this with a fine tooth code.
Then they saw that this guy left a review for
Ted Kezinci's manifesto who is the Unibomber, So I think
it's really gonna be interesting. There was also a lot
of books about chronic pain and exercising and everything like that,
so I think you're gonna.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Really look into that.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I heard on the news this morning that he had
a back surgery a couple of months ago that was
related to a surfing accident he had, and after he
got the surgery, his parents were having a hard time
getting in communication with him, and they had actually reported
him missing at some point a couple weeks ago. So
I found that really interesting. Of course, the question everybody
has is how did nobody recognize this?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
How do you not recognize somebody.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
That looks you know, It's it's pretty obvious, Like I think,
as my mother, you would know just my eyeballs from pictures.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
But well, what's I mean? I think that this is
I don't know. I'm sorry, this is just so juicy.
I'm just so into this story. But when his mugshot
got posted yesterday, you just should read the comments underneath.
It's just like it's hard not to finding highly entertaining
like women being like where is he staying? I want
to get arrested to and be with him, and just

(06:29):
crazy things. I mean, you can't deny that he's He's
an attractive guy, you know, So it's really interesting. I
just think that just to see him gain hundreds of
thousands of followers in yesterday since his identity just obviously
is talking about the state of healthcare in this country
and how so many people are completely frustrated and with

(06:52):
it right, and you're seeing people say comments just as
terrible as that this guy should have been dead. Nobody
should to call them in. The person at McDonald's is
a class trader? Is that the word people are using
for even turning him in. Think about this, Even though
there's this huge percentage of people that agree with what
he did, you have to think, like, as a chronic

(07:15):
role follower, I'm thinking about the McDonald's employee that called police.
Would you rather let this person go or do you
want to get arrested for obstruction of justice or something?
Right knowing that this person was in the restaurant and
then them finding that out later and maybe that would
be a stray might have been the person, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
But you can't really get in trouble for that. I
don't think that.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I just think that the person was trying to do
the right thing because the person was plastered all over
the news and they're like, this guy's.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
On the run, and I'm turning them in.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
And there are plenty of people that think that he
still murdered someone and he didn't have the right to
do that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:49):
So I kind of understand both sides of it.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Honestly, I'm not going to say people have valid points
with the health insurance. I've been of the them of
it myself. I'm sure everybody in there, everybody's everybody has
and I'm really curious what's going to happen when this guy,
because he's arrested now and charged with what was it
like a couple counts of murder or something whatever he
got charged with, but he's going to eventually have a jury.

(08:15):
And I'd like you to find any people in the
world that don't have some kind of story that has
to do with health insurance. Now, for me, mine's not
that big of a deal. Like I have this chronic
rash on my face that I need cream for and
I have to pay eighty dollars a month for the
cream because they just won't cover it for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
But that's not a life or death situation.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You have people that are getting life saving medications not covered,
people who are are getting seriously injured and dying because
they're not getting the coverage that they need for whatever
excuse there is. And I guess my whole argument with
it is that there's multiple people who are in management
positions or CEOs of companies or just organizations, either in

(09:01):
the private sector or the public sector, you could say
law enforcement, FEMA, fire departments, all this stuff. And the
higher up the chain you get, the more incentive there
is for you to do well with the budget and
not to go over budget and to stay under budget.
So that's how these people end up making more money.
Sometimes they get bonuses if they stay on under budget

(09:22):
and stuff. And you could really go if you're going
to say that it's justified to kill this guy because
he was making life or death decisions for people, well
you could say that across the board because I could
tell you examples from working in the hospital, which I'm
sure many nurses that are listening right now could also
speak to of cutting staff, cutting budgets, people not getting

(09:46):
the care that they should get and getting seriously sick
or dying as a result of that, because that happens
every single day in hospitals as well. So then that
means that all of those CEOs need to die. And
like you, there's just like a point where you're like,
where do you t all the line that people are
doing this kind of vigilian How do you say.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
The word vigil agil Yeah, they're doing.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
They're taking matters into their own hands. I hear a
lot of people saying, like, no one's listening to the
peaceful of protest. You kind of have to do something more.
But like, is this murder actually going to change anything.
I know that right after he got murdered something with
some anesthesia, Bill didn't get pasted or whatever they said

(10:27):
for right now just because it was really hot. But
like I guarantee this past five days that there's been
people who have been denied medications and denied procedures and
denied everything. So if it was like as easy as okay,
you take out this one guy and all of our
life's problems are solved, I'd be way more supportive of it.

(10:48):
But like it's just to me, it's just like it's
not solving the problem. In fact, that dude was replaced
five minutes after he was pronounced dead by some other
guy that's going to do the same exact thing, you
know what I mean. Yeah, I think I think it
sent a message for sure, And I mean you have
to think of which all the by the way message
it sent was we're taking these people's names off of

(11:10):
off of public view, and we're going to keep them
more anonymous so people can't find out who who's running
these places. Yeah, I mean it's not it's not changing
the bottom line, it's just not.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I want to say.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Also, at the top of the show, we didn't really
explain like a lot of detail about this crime. But
I base all, you know all of this and who
knows what based on what my husband knows what's going
on in the news, and he knows every detail of
this case.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
So if you don't know about this case at all,
you've truly been living under rock in my opinion. But
I think you.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Know that just talent real quick for I mean, it's
it's very simple. It's not it's it's nothing.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
There.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
There was a CEO for the biggest health insurance company
walking down the street and somebody came up to him
and shot them at six and six forty five in
the morning in New York City. I mean, that's the
end of the story. And the crazy, the seest thing
is that you keep hearing like what could have been
his motive? And you're like, really, I think it's pretty
obvious what his motive was. It's one hundred percent obvious

(12:10):
what the motive was. I mean, I'm sure it's gonna
come out over the next couple of weeks or years
depending on his legal process. What was the exact like
thing that set him off? But you know, he had
this manifesto on his body that apparently was calling out
Corporate America and saying these healthcare companies were prioritizing profits
over care, which I think everybody living in the United

(12:31):
States can agree that that is a major problem we're
having right now. And then the bullet casings had the
writing on them. He left a backpack full of monopoly money.
I mean, he was sending a clearest day message that
there is a problem. Like, it's not that ambiguous, you know.
Another question I have is that he was found with
a three D printed ghost gun and with a suppressor.

(12:53):
And obviously the point of having a ghost gun is
so it can't be traced back to the person who
used it. So typically if you were going to use
something in a case like this, you would use it
and then like drop it in the alley because who cares,
It's never going to get traced back to you. So
I'm curious as to why he kept it with him, Like,
what would be the point of that. Why wouldn't he

(13:15):
just use a I mean, I know other times people
use three D guns, are guns that are ghost guns
or three D printed or put together with parts spot
on the internet, just because maybe it wasn't possible for
him to legally purchase a firearm. So that's another way
that especially criminals get around getting guns.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Is that they get these ghost guns.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
But I don't see if he didn't have any kind
of criminal record, I don't see why he wouldn't have
been able to legally obtain a firearm.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Well, there's that.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I think the main question is like how are people
able to three D print guns? That was completely a
mind blowing to me, And apparently this is like a
major problem.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
That's they sell the plans online. You just have to
have a three D printer.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I'm just so naive that I just never even thought
of it being possible. I don't know, like you could
argue maybe he didn't want to buy a gun because
he didn't want anything tracking back to his identity. I mean,
for what we know as a public right now, it
seems that they had absolutely no idea who this guy
was until they got this call about a lookalike. Right,

(14:20):
So it's I just can't I can't believe it. I
just can't believe it. With his picture was all over Instagram,
X YouTube, I saw it everywhere, Like I just I
can't believe that nobody knew who he was.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I just can't wrap my brain around it.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
So I think most people are comparing this to the
manhunt of the Boston bombing. Right. So, when I was
listening to an interview with an investigator that worked on
the Boston marathon bombing, they were saying that a lot
of you know, the guy's one of the brother's friends,
were like, that does look like him, but like, mentally,
you just can't accept that your friend or your loved

(14:59):
one would do so something like that. Or you know,
this guy's like majorly Italian, right, his name is Luigi.
I don't think Italian people are like wanting to rite
each other out, if I'm being perfectly honest. But no,
I understand that maybe from the family for sure, especially
because of the family we come from. I think that
that's how we grew up, and that's kind of a

(15:20):
you know, you never go against the family kind of
thing and all that. I get that, But like, he
just he just was well known around other places. He
had friends, he had college, he went to school here,
he lived like he was all over. He was in Philly,
he was in Honolulu, he was you know what I mean, Like,
I just think and and like he's the demographic of

(15:41):
kids that are online all the time, so they're like
the biggest social media crowd, right so I just think
it's it's just it's just totally nuts.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Think about this though.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
So right now they think that he took a bus
from New York to Philadelphia and then somehow got to Altuna. Right,
so think about us being in Philadelphia, which we live
five minutes away from, and walking down the street and
seeing this person. I feel like, truly in your mind
you would just be like that looks like that guy.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
But no way, there's just no way.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
I know what though, It's it's funny because you think
I think about that time sometimes. Like I'll be in
home goods, right and someone will come up to me
and they'll say.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Are you missus? Saying Jemmie from Instagram? And I'm like,
how the fuck do you recognize me? Like out just
like at a store right now, I have no makeup on.
I'm just like slobbing around in here, like how do
you even know who I am? Right?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Well, this it's the same thing like, well, we met
Nancy Grace for example, right, Like I know that we
were in the situation where she would have been, but
like if we saw her in real life, you'd be like,
that's her. Like you what, you look at these people
online or you look at these people on TV all
the time, you know who they are. You always think like,
would you recognize that person?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And you would?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
You know, it happened to me once, like remember Mark Summers,
that was from like and stuff like ye, Like, one
day I just like walked into some deli at lunch
and I knew that he had ties to Philly, but
just didn't even think he lived in Philly anymore. And
I walked in and I was like, oh my god,
that's Mark Summers. There's like, no way that's not him,
you know what I mean. It's that just happened, so
you could recognize somebody like that, you know, and I

(17:19):
think that I guess they said he was acting suspicious
whatever that means. Well, no, so I got a further
clarification on that. So basically, when the call came in
from McDonald's and the cops got there, they went up
to him and they were like were you in New
York recently? And he started like physically shaking, and then
they were like, all right, show me your ID, and
then he pulled out the same fake ID that was

(17:40):
on file at the hostel, which he had multiple fake IDs.
Why aren't you switching them out or getting rid of them?
Why aren't you getting rid of the ghost gun? I mean,
I think he just made a million mistakes. I think
Cheryl made an incredible point because he's getting a lot
of criticism for going to McDonald's and being out in
the public right.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
But she said, even if this.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Is Cheryl McCollum you're talking about, yeah from Zone seven podcasts.
She made a post on Instagram yesterday saying that even
though somebody could really well plan out a crime, they
don't change their habits. And of course when they were
going through his Facebook page, they found a picture of
him as a teenager holding up a McDonald's box. So
you might think it's a comfort food. You have to

(18:21):
imagine the stress he's going through knowing he killed somebody,
and like every cop on the East Coast and maybe
the country has an eye out for him, and I
don't know, I just I did find it interesting that
he didn't just stop real quick to get food, but
I mean, where was he staying? I guess the questions
that are left to be answered is a how did
he know that CEO is going to be on that

(18:42):
block at that exact time? Well, that was an interesting
thing because I think that guy wasn't due to speak
until like eight o'clock in the morning, and he had
arrived almost an hour and a half prior, so that's
a question. And then he was on the phone right
before the shooting, and who was he talking to at
six point thirty in the morning. Yeah, and especially because
his parents, as far as we know right now, believed

(19:04):
him to be missing. So I think the family's compressing
for your could you imagine like your kid, you know,
being like a name, like our our last name, or
like a last name that's very It's not Smith, No,
everybody knows you and your twenty cousins are connected to it.
I think, you know, it's a lot for them to process.

(19:25):
I think there's a lot of information to come out.
I think they're trying to still figure out how what
was it five days, five or six days he was gone?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
So where was he in those five days?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Was he staying with somebody. Was he just like getting
off of a bus and sleeping in the woods, Like
what how did he get there undetected?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
But we could talk about this all day, and we
have some other juicy things happening, So let's get into
celebrity news, all right. John lethcow So I believe you
know him probably most from being the iconic serial killer
on Dexter.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
It was definitely I know him best from Harry and
the Hendersons.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Okay, that was like my that was like my childhood,
for my childhood, yea, for my childhood. He was the
voice of Lord Farquad in Trek. Oh. Yeah, and he's
also on this incredible show called The Old Man that
I watch right now. So he shared how the death
of his friend has made him more comfortable with his
own death. And he's saying he hopes for a quote,

(20:24):
good ending that quote no one grieves over. Yeah, they
didn't really say much. Hey, Apparently he's had three cancers
in his life. The first was in nineteen eighty eight,
which seems like it was a melanoma that he had
removed and didn't reoccur. And then in two thousand and four,
he was diagnosed with prostate cancer again. Seems like they
took care of that, but then recently he said he
was diagnosed with cancer again, and they didn't really explain

(20:46):
that either. I think because the melanoma was in nineteen
eighty eight, which was such a long time ago, and
even two thousand and four, which was twenty years ago.
With the prostate cancer, I think it's highly unlikely that
one of those cancer reoccurred, so it's probably a new
primary of some sort.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
So it sucks.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I mean he I mean, he was almost eighty seventy
nine and he's he was like I think he's like
a pretty well liked person in.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Hollywood, right, Yeah. I doesn't have any like drama associated
with him.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
No. I also feel like he lives close to us.
I think he lives in like Delaware or something, oh real,
which is interesting. I feel like I could be wrong.
I feel like when Dexter was out, I had a
family friend on my dad's side that said he would
go to the gym and he would just be there
working out, and he's like I just watched him like
murder somebody on TV last night, and he's just like

(21:41):
this nice guy at the gym that works out next
to me.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
God, Dexter was so good.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
That was I feel like that's when Dexter just like
wasn't good anymore as soon as he killed that lady
Rita was her name.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, it just I just was like it just like,
I don't know, it went downhill from there. That was shocking.
But okay, okay, let's talk.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Let's talk about the biggest juicy celebrity story this week.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
So in October, the civil lawsuit had been filed by
a Jane Doe claiming that Diddy raped her in two
thousand when she was just thirteen years old. So now
the suit's been amended to include Jay Z and the
sexual assault. Basically, they're saying what happened is that MTV
was hosting the VMAs in New York in two thousand
and this thirteen year old really wanted to go and

(22:24):
didn't have a ticket, and she really wanted to go
to an after party and couldn't figure out how to
get in, So she started going up to the limo
drivers and asking them if they could bring her to
a party. So when she gets up to one of them,
who ended up being Ditty's limo driver. He basically said
something along the lines of you're exactly what he would
be looking for, which is disgusting.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
So then this limo driver, who I also think should
be liable in this case if they could figure out
who it is, brings her to this party. She's given
a piece of paper to sign, which she said at
the time she believed was an ending, which is common
when you're going in celebrity spaces. And she was also
given a drink which made her really woozy. So at
this party she went to lay down because she was

(23:09):
feeling weird from the drink, and at that time, she
said that's when jay Z and Diddy entered the room
she was in, and the suit is alleging that jay
Z took her clothes off and raped her while Ditty
and an unnamed female celebrity watched, and then when Ditty
came up to her was trying to receive oral sex
from her, she was able to hit him, grab her clothes,

(23:30):
run out, and call her.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Dad at a gas station.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So, is there any other information that she told anyone
about this when it happened, or like, what makes her
come out right now with this story because it's twenty
whole years later. Well, I'm on four year. It was
two thousand.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
At the time this happened.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Both of them, jay Z and Diddy were in prime,
in the prime of their careers. So I don't know
if it was a situation where she was too scared
or maybe she didn't tell her dad would happen because
she was embarrassed and she thought she was going to
get in trouble with her parents. I know that happens
a lot with children that are molested, is that they're
scared about what's going to happen to them. You know,

(24:12):
she's saying she called her dad. I think more details
about that are going to come out in court, not
just in these preliminary court dogs and jay Z's team
is basically saying that they're trying to blackmail him. Well,
the reason that I ask is not because there's a
reason that people can't wait, because obviously people have lots

(24:34):
of different excuses why they wait so long. I just
I'm more curious that if this ever goes to court,
if you know, they would be able to, like you know,
with the Menendez case, that they're able to go back
and be like, oh, these couple things happened when they
were younger, that we could prove that these allegations may
indeed be true. That's all I'm trying to say. You're

(24:56):
in a situation where you're you. I mean, like the
Diddy thing is is like, there's just no way that
he's the only one that was in on this. He
was having these crazy parties and like they were living
this rock star lifestyle kind of. But at the same time,
a lot of these these people that have a lot

(25:17):
of money are now going to be targets for people,
for anybody that ever associated with any of them, because
because they have money, and that could just be that
could just be a thing. So you can't automatically just
jump to it. But does does jay Z ever have
any kind of allegations like this against him? Besides this

(25:37):
one particular case that just came up. I don't we know,
Beyonce sister beat the shit out of him once, right,
which is, well, yeah, I said that to you because
I found it interesting, and there is you know, there
is a lot of speculation a couple of years ago
that he had an affair and then she wrote her
album Lemonade, which was kind of like just bashing him.

(25:58):
And I'm like, really good on her for, you know,
embarrassing the shit out of him, but again, she decided
to stay with him. I think right now, you know
their oldest daughter is around this age, she's twelve years old.
I think you really have to look at that and
look at this and just you know, really evaluate it
like that, because I'm like, even if the girl lied

(26:20):
and said she was eighteen years old or of whatever,
the consenting ages in New York, you can tell when
somebody's thirteen versus being older, right, Oh, yeah, totally so.
And he's facing a lot of criticism because the three
of them, meaning Beyonce, jay Z and their daughter went
to some movie premiere like last night.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Or the night before.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I saw that, and I was kind of shocked. I
thought it was very coincidental when this lawsuit was dropped.
And I actually think it's kind of I don't know
the whole story because I'm like, don't really care about
their lives. But this was the third daughter, what's her name,
Blue Ivy or Ivy. She was in this Lion King

(27:00):
Mufasa movie. Right, I don't know if she's in it
my family, so I think she's in it. And and
like that's the thing, Like it was dropped right before
like her big moment, and I think that that's kind
of not cool. And I don't know, like what are
her parents not going to go to the premiere of
her her big debut like that, you know what I mean?

(27:22):
Like it especially, what are they because if they didn't go,
there would be lots to talk too, Like they're kind
of in a shitty place.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
What are you going to do the kids?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Even though the kid's wearing a dress that shows are cleavage,
which is kind of weird for a twelve year old. Honestly, Wait,
like the kid's twelve years old, Like my kid's twelve
years old. She like needs her mommy and daddy there,
like she's a child, you know what I mean? So
what was she going to go to this premiere by herself?
Like no, it just would be weird.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
So I don't I.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Guess a lot of I guess a lot of people
don't understand because when you want to look at it
from a celebrity point of view, it's like you just
got slapped with this lawsuit, whether it's true or not
that you did this. It's in the news and it's
everywhere and some people are gonna think you're guilty even
though you haven't been convicted. Right, So, I think it
seems impoor taste that he went. But when you put

(28:12):
it in the perspective of a parent that's just trying
to be there, we supportive for their daughter. Yeah, I
think most parents are going to understand that. I mean
I saw the pictures of her on the red carpet,
and I felt terrible for her because she looks I mean,
obviously she's probably just scared because she's standing there and
millions of people are taking pictures of her and stuff.
But I'm just like, she knows what's going on, you
know what. I'm like, I can't even I like, I

(28:34):
want to throw up even thinking about, like talking about
my dad having sex with somebody that was my age
when I was thirteen years old or whatever. Like, it's
just it's just disturbing how these people live, honestly, So
that right there was like I just I felt bad
for her because I was like, this is like her
moment and it's getting overshadowed by all this bullshit. One

(28:56):
important thing I saw an article yesterday was that apparently
so jay Z is like way older than Beyonce. He's
she he's fifty five and she's I don't know how
old she is, she's in her forties, Yeah, but he's
he's significantly older than her, and I guess there's they
They supposedly didn't start dating until she was nineteen, but

(29:16):
there's like photos of him backstage with her when she
was sixteen around the same time. So, so do you
understand what I'm saying, Like they're saying like he's backstage
with her when she was sixteen, and he was making
comments like, oh, she's gonna be mine one day, and
he was like twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And I think and like to think.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
That he was a that he could have been involved
with a thirteen year old that was only three years
younger than her at the time.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Is not.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's not unli It's not unlikely, but a lot of
men would say that. No, there is a distinction between
thirteen and sixteen, obviously, But I think that happened with
Celine Dion that her agent, Oh yeah, that was she's
really young.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Oh yes, like thirteen, you know, she was.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Like like a little No, I think she was like
actually a little kid.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
And then they ended up getting married when she was
of age.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
But that and nobody really talks about that, like that's
that's like a whole other I think he died. So
I don't know a lot of people are thinking about it,
but like it happens. I know a lot of people
were like, this is weird she was she wasn't. I
don't even think she was a teenager. I think she
was like a little girl when he started being her manager.
And that's what really bothered people about that. But any anyway,

(30:31):
Like so, so the questions are is that he's the
named male celebrity. I don't know why there's an unnamed
female celebrity. If you're naming Diddy and you're naming jay Z,
why is the female unnamed? Well, and there's been speculation
that it's Beyonce online, but she has not been named.
This also happened in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
She apparently around that time she was like sixteen, Well
could that be right?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
I don't I don't know how old were you in
two thousand? In two thousand, I was five, about to
turn six at the end of two thousand. Yeah, So
in so, I don't think she can't say was sixteen
in two thousand. I think she's your age, so she
was probably in her early twenties regardless beyondest in two thousand,

(31:19):
I was like, I was like nineteen or twenty, so
I think, yeah, but I'm forty five. I think that
she if she's forty, that would completely make sense that
she was sixteen.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I'm looking it up.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
She's forty three, So in two thousand she would have
been nineteen.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Okay, so that's when. So then that's when she started
dating him. No, so she did it.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
They did not publicly start dating until two thousand and one,
and this happened in two thousand. Also, like it could
have been somebody did he was dating?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
You don't know?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
So it's like, well I saw that he was dating
so jay Z at the time was dating Aliyah.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
There was one other one that I forget that. I
was like, oh she's still yeah. I mean, who was
Diddy dating at that time? Was it Ja Lo? Curious?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Well, he was dating j Loo when he shot that
woman at the night club, So when did that happen?
This was like all around the same time, wasn't It
was all around the same time, like late nineties, early
two thousands.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
It's just such a hot mess. I mean, I really
I heard this term earlier.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I'm going to reuse it.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I hope we don't get Epstein in this case where
we like don't ever get the list of people. Oh,
I think I think that list is coming out. So
I think I think a lot of stuff's going to
start unraveling this year, and I'm very interested to watch.
All right, So, well, if we hear anything else about
like obviously more stuff's going to be coming out about
the the Brian Thompson murder, but like we're not going

(32:43):
to just talk about it all the time unless it's
like other stuff, because I want to wait until the
trial to really get in on it.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
But yeah, for sure. Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
So apparently in South America there's this traditional spiritual cleanse
where people will ingest poisonous Amazonian Frau venom. I guess
they use it as this toxic cleansing method. So this
Mexican actress, her name was Marcella Alcazar Rodriguez, was doing
the cleanse.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
She willingly consumed the venom and then.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Immediately became very sick, having diarrhea, throwing up, and then
she died.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
So I look this up.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's called cambo and it's a South American healing ritual
from and they take venom from a giant monkey frog,
which is called a philo medusa bicolor. All of the
stuff I looked up said that these indigenous people put
burns on people and form a blister and then basically
pop the blister and put the venom inside of this blister.

(33:41):
So they put it on like more topical, and then
the venom goes into their body and it does like
the theory is it's supposed to like cleanse.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Their body out right.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I didn't see anything about supposed to you're supposed to
eat it, so that could be. I don't know if
people do that or whatever, but that doesn't seem to
be part of this ritual. Even people that get it
done with the burns and everything could have symptoms for
five minutes to a half hour afterwards, which include nausea, vomiting,
and stuff like that, but people usually don't die from it,

(34:13):
although it has been linked to toxic hepatitis and organ failure,
which clearly happened in this case with her. Well, it
appears that there's a shaman that was involved and they're
under investigation, so I don't know if they incorrectly told
this actress what to do with it or what, but
she did. The weirdest thing is that I read that

(34:34):
this is not illegal to do, but it is not
regulated by the FDA, so you should be careful if
you do it.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
But I don't think that she did it right. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I mean maybe if you guys know anything more about this,
you could fill us in. But sounds like a kind
of dumb way to die, don't you think?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah? Of course?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
All right. Last week, this brand called a Bunch Bunch
Fox Lunch I was holding a holiday event in LA
where influencers were invited. Are you familiar with this brand?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
They make those, don't they make, like cute little purses
and stuff like that. Yeah, they're all it's I feel
like they're primarily Disney themed item like the ones they
sell it hot topic. Yeah, it's very hot topic leg
of a store. Anyway, they invited this Disney influencer, her
name was Dominique Brown, to this event they were having.

(35:28):
Before the event, it appears if they asked everybody attending
this if they had any food allergies, and I guess
she told them she did, and they relate it to
the venue, and then again at the venue. This influencer
had double checked with the staff to make sure that
her allergen was not going to be in the meal,
and they assured her it would not be, and then
after she started eating the meal, she immediately started having

(35:50):
a severe allergic reaction and then ended up dying. I
hate hearing stories like this. I just think they're so
they're so preventable. But I'm gonna say the same thing
I say every single time, like, if you have an.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Allergy, that's that bad.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I just wouldn't trust anyone else to make my food.
I just I just think, I just think it's not
a good idea. Really, I mean, what do you think
about that? I have complicated feelings about it, because as
somebody with food allergies, you know, it's like you can't
but you don't have any food allergy that's going to
cause you to I don't. I don't, But I'm saying

(36:25):
like I have ones that make my throat extremely itchy
and make me uncomfortable or will have to make me
take a band a drill or something. And it's like
you want to live your life and be able to
go to events such as this, but not have to
worry that, you know, somebody will just blow you off.
But I think if you have such severe allergies, you
need to have an EpiPen or something on you that

(36:46):
could try to help you. Because I was reading in
another article that apparently the DJ at the event had
stopped the event asked over the microphone if anybody had
an EpiPen because it didn't seem like she had one
on her and they were not able to help her
fast enough. Yeah, And I don't know, Like, I don't
know how you have an allergy that's severe that you
trust people to make your food, and then on top

(37:07):
of that, if you do that, you don't have emergency
medicine strapped to your body at all times in case
you do have an exposure accidentally.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But I'm curious.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
They haven't released what the allergy was yet, so I'm curious.
Possibly peanut a lot, It's it's the most common one
that would cause an anaphylaxis reaction like this, Like another
one is beestings, Like there's there's certain ones that just
like cause people to have these extreme reactions.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Not that it couldn't have been something else, but I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Like I just look at it, especially with adults, like
you're in control of your own body when it comes
to that stuff, and you can't. You are, but you
can't like live in a bubble in your house, you know,
Like we I feel like we had a story or
I read a story in the last year where like
somebody had a severe peanut allergic reaction on an airplane.
Like people are to bring snacks from their home on

(38:01):
the airplane. You're allowed to buy peanut products and the
airplanes so you just can't fly at all because somebody
might bring peanuts on the plane one time, Like you
have to live your life at the same time, I
just think it's not realistic to expect other people to
accommodate you, even though restaurants when they're alerted, should do that,
but like if they were cooking something that had a

(38:23):
sauce or something like if you haven't enough of an
extreme peanut allergy. I was just explaining this to the
kids the other day because they were eating like regular
m and ms, and it says like maybe made in
a factory that has peanuts or you know, something like that,
and I was trying to explain to them, like that
they're made in the same factory, and there's a possibility

(38:44):
that like you know, someone could be picking up stuff
or one of the machines cowt malfunction or something, and
something could fly over to the other side of the
room and just like that, one little piece of it
could get people sick. And it has that's why they
put that packet, that writing on the packages, so you know,
when you have people preparing food, especially for events like that,

(39:04):
it's like a cafeteria style feeding a lot of people thing,
they might just not be all hip. Like imagine if
you had a kid that was like seventeen years old
and they're just like, oh, this wasn't this this gravy
doesn't have peanuts in it.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
You don't know, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I think you I think we're spinning our tires. You
could just argue either side all the time.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's you know, like I.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Mean, it's the whole thing is just unfortunate. And it's
just like a reminder to carry an EpiPen with you
if you have a severe allergy like that, just in
case you do have an accidental exposure it. It sucks
too because like lots of places like people have them
sometimes you know, it just sucks in that particular case,
like no one was.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Able to help her. So, okay, freak accidents, All right,
we have.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
An update about the grandma who is missing and suspected
to have fallen in a sink hole. So now she
has been found and confirmed dead. They're saying she died
of head and torso injuries from falling thirty feet into
the same hoal. Yeah, so she had a preliminary autopsy
result so she had blun trauma from the from the fall.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
That's it sucks, I was hoping.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I mean, it doesn't look good when when they weren't
able to find her right away and then it moved
to a recovery effort and then they finally found her,
So just like what it. I guess that's the thing,
like if you live in an area like that that's
prone to get these that you just always have to
kind of be paying attention to those types of things.
It it really just sucks. I guess it's fortunate in
this case that you know, the kid didn't get out

(40:34):
of the car too.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I'm still mind blown that these mining towns have this
problem that. I mean, they're saying she fell into an
abandoned mine essentially that wasn't in operation since the fifties.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, And what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Is she walking over a sidewalk in grass that collapsed
like you would how would you even be able to
recognize that one of these was there? You know, it's
I don't think she fell into an actual hole, like
it's a sinkhole, is like the ground falls in, you know.
Like I feel that it's kind of the town's responsibility

(41:10):
to locate the abandoned mines and try to like seal
them up in some type of way so that this
doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know. Just it sucks. Unfortunate's
freak accident, all right.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
So in another crazy accident, this pregnant woman had called
nine one one around two am and said that her
brakes weren't working. And you know, she was really stressing
out because she said she was twenty weeks pregnant and
she was like, I'm not going to die today basically,
So the officers recommended she put the car in neutral
because she said when she was pressing on the brake

(41:42):
it wouldn't stop the car. She wasn't able to turn
it off or anything. So by putting in a neutral
it was able to slow it down a little bit.
But what's really scary is that she was headed downhill
basically towards this lake, and officers were able to quickly
get there and get in front of her so that
they were able I guess the way they positioned it,

(42:02):
she was able to bump into their car without causing
this like catastrophic car accident and stopped the car before
it rolled into the lake with her in it. This
story is giving me massive anxiety in my chest. Like,
imagine driving and your brakes don't work. That that's like
a terrifying feeling. I just and and like those cops
are kind of heroes too, Like imagine because if her

(42:26):
car hit their car, it could have pushed because they're
not gonna like pull over a let her go into
the lake, you know, like it could have just pushed
both of them into the water, you know what I mean.
It's very scary. It reminded me of this Lifetime movie
I watched when I was fifteen, where that you know
how dramatic those movies are. Like this, this guy was

(42:46):
a mechanic and the woman like did him dirty or something,
so he cut her brakes so that, well, she that's nice. Yeah, No,
I mean she's She's very lucky this happened. I think
she I don't know why she was driving at two am,
if she had a like a bar job or something
and she was working late, or maybe she was just
running out to get you know, she had the pregnancy
hunger and just wanted a stack. But I feel like

(43:07):
it was lucky this happened in the middle of the
night because there probably was no other cars on the
road and she was able to avoid crashing into anything else.
So I was looking some stuff up, and so she
had a Chevy Malibu car and I saw that there
was a class action lawsuit between twenty thirteen and twenty
twenty two saying that the vehicles contained defective engine parts

(43:27):
that could cause a loss of breaking capability. Oh so
I wonder if there was a recall associated with that.
That's that's something that we need to talk about too.
It's just if you ever get a recall, you need
to get it handled immediately, because there was there was
I did a post years ago about all of these
lawsuits that were coming up because of recalls with air

(43:49):
bags and shrapnel injuries when the air bags deployed, and
a lot of the people were just like, yeah, I
just got the card in the mail, and I kind
of ignored it, you know, because it's a pain in
the ass to have to get your steering will ripped
out and stuff. But well, we had the depth dis
section too about that actor who was crushed by his
car because the jeep.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
The jeep.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
What was his name, Antoine anton Yelch. Yeah, that was
really interesting. But I guess if you get any recalls,
just get them fixed, because they're not just letting you
know for no reason.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
It's pretty important, all right.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
So recently doctor Jeannette Neshue, is that the right way
to pronounce her name?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
So she's been chosen to be the next US Surgeon General.
So now this insane story is coming out about the
death of her father. Apparently in nineteen ninety when she
was thirteen. She said she went to her father's bedroom
in the morning to get scissors out of his tackle box.
The tackle box was above his bed, and when she
opened it, she said, the entire thing dumped out, including

(44:50):
this loaded handgun, and when the gun fell out, it
accidentally fired, shooting her sleeping father in the head and
killing him. Could you imagine, like anybody dealing with something
like that these like I always think about that. You
hear a lot of times, especially people that are leaving
guns laying around that are ready to go, which is
just the dumbest idea ever. It's usually children. I mean,

(45:13):
she was thirteen. She was a child that comes across
it and they end up killing one of their siblings
or something like that. And just imagine waking up every
day knowing that you did something like that to kill
your sibling or to kill somebody else, even though it
wasn't really your fault. I mean, it was her dad's
fault for leaving the gun loaded like that, if it
was his weapon. Yeah, and she feels guilty just because

(45:37):
of it happening in her innocently trying to just go
get a pair of scissors out of his tackle box.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
And I think you know, the.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Message here is you should never leave a loaded gun
unattended or just in reach of anybody, especially a child
that doesn't know how to use it or anything, or
in cases like this where they could fall and accidentally
it could have happened to him too. It's just you
know what I mean, Like that's it shouldn't just be
ready to go like that. I know a lot of
people want to leave them like that because obviously, if

(46:04):
there's an emergency or a break in, you just want
it to be ready to go. But I mean, this
is the kind of stuff that happens, and that's terrifying.
And she said that that. I guess that was one
of the reasons that she decided to become a doctor,
because she's just looking at her dad helpless and wasn't
able to help them. I don't think a doctor would
have been able to help them either, honestly. But I
don't know, Like I think she was just picked. Don't

(46:27):
they have to like appoint these people, Like, don't they have.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
To get voted in or something. I don't. I have
no idea how that works.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
But she's she's this denominee, been officially chosen or something.
But what I do find it interesting to hear from
an adult this happened too, because well, I guess we're
not hearing from her directly because they're saying she wrote
a book and she like had the first sentence talk
about his death inspiring her to become a doctor, and
then never mentioned the details of it, Yes, so leave

(46:53):
it to the news to go find You know this
what I've been hearing over the past couple of weeks
about all these people that are getting appointed for things
and everything, Like, you really have to be nuts to
want to work in politics, because these people just go
into the depths of your background and just find every
little thing like you, Like, who wants to live like that?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Really?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
They argue the same thing about being on a Bravo show,
because Bravo fans are notoriously psychos and they will find
anything that ever happened to you in your life.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
No thank me, no thanks? All right.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
This next one is about a mom who took her
two daughters to Target and put the three year old
in the main part of the car, not the little
basket up front. She said they were going through the
entire store and everything seemed okay, and then as they
were about to leave, the three year old got her
finger stuck in the hole of the cart. This reminds
me of when I got my head stuck in the

(47:46):
bars at the King of Prussia Mall when I was
a kid and had to be rescued by his firefighters.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
No tell I don't think you've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Always I could meet one of these firefighters, like, hey,
is sometime in like nineteen eighty three or eighty for
do you remember rescuing a kid from the bars of
King of Prussia Mall. I thought I was at the
Eschelon Mall. No, it was because we were with Nanny and
Pop and we were like up there, Oh my god,
all right, tell everybody what happened exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Well, I don't.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
I kind of like vaguely remember it because I guess
I was like four or five, like I was little,
you know, I remember pieces of it, but I guess
my mom was my mom and dad and grandparents were
at the mall, and my mom and my grandmom went
in a store together, which is typically what would happen,

(48:33):
and then my dad and my grandpap were sitting in
the mall because they have absolutely no interest in being
in a mall. In fact, that's probably the last time
my dad was ever at a mall and my mom
was in a store and she was like, that's something
like coally screaming?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Is that her? And she went out. Of course, anytime
my mom.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
The two times my mom left the children with my
dad's and my grandpap actually there's been like an injury, right,
So she goes out of the store and finds like,
my head is stuck in between the bars, like from
the top floor on the bottom floor, the the you
know the railing around the top floor. So they had
to call emergency response to Common and like get be

(49:12):
out of the bars. Was this before or after you
spacked your head on the fireplace?

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I don't know actually, but you know that you want
to hear the cutest story that Gabe ever had. I
stay cute, But he had to rescue this like really
fat little kid, like a baby though, like baby fat
thighs that was stuck in one of those those like
swing set you know those like rubber like seats that

(49:38):
go on a swing set for a baby, like place
them in. It's like a rubber diaper. Almost see the baby,
Like he put the the I guess the parent put
the baby in this thing and they're like, fat little
leg got stuck in.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
This in the seat of the swing set. And he
had to cut it out.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
And he showed me the fat little leg of the baby,
and I was like, oh my god, it's so cute.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
So this is what happened. To this kid. This kid stuck.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
It looked like there was like two fingers stuck in
one of the holes of the car, So everybody knows
what that is. And the mom noticed and like you're thinking, like, okay,
she's kind of in a drugstore. So she goes over
to an aisle and get them vasili and it's try
to like wedge this kid's fingers out. But you know
what happens, like when you get a ring stuck and
you're trying to take the ring off, right, it just

(50:24):
gets more and more swollen the more you're trying to
play with it and get it off, And that's what happened.
So that was just like not happening. So finally they
got a Target employee to try to help, and they
couldn't do anything, and they had to call nine one
one have the fire company come, and the kid was
freaking out and they had to cut the car out
around the kid's hand and they finally got the kid free. Okay,

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So this is my problem with the story is because
she is arguing that Target needs to change the design
of their car. But I would argue that it's common
knowledge that you don't put children in that part of
the basket. I actually think you're not allowed to. There's
signs in the car. I don't know if there's signs
in the Target cards specifically, but other shorts have signs
that say do not put children in the main part

(51:08):
of the cart. All right, well, this lady already is
kind of I have feelings about her because she said, quote,
I had to call my husband because I couldn't deal
with the stress of it by myself.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Like, get a life, lady, come on.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Also, just like if you can't deal with that, like
wait until you have a teenager or something like, this
is really not a problem. But she and yes agreed,
like I am a Target shopper, especially when the kids
were little. They have a cart that is very bulky
to push around, but it has two seats up front,
so you could put both of the kids in it

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with seat belts and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
That goes you know that thing I'm talking about that, Yeah,
I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
So they're like, yeah, this is absolutely not Target's fault
at all. Okay, it's it's really not Target's fault. And
I'm sorry, but like she took all these pictures too,
of the first responder to get in the kid of car,
and then you put them on the internet like that
shouldn't be where your priorities are, and then blaming Target
when it's convion knowledge as somebody who is not a mother,

(52:08):
that you don't put a baby in that compartment of
their car. There there are I could say that there's
probably even so many people listening to us right now
that go to Target every single day with their kids,
and like, you don't hear about this happening all the time.
It's just the Targets I think had the same exact
cart for probably twenty years plus two so and this

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is the first time this is coming out that this happened.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
I don't know all right.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Back in twenty twenty two, this teenager was on one
of those free fall rides at an amusement park in Florida.
His safety restraints did not fully lock in place, which
caused him to fall out of the ride, falling to
his death. And now a jury has determined that the
ride makers must pay over three hundred million dollars in
damages to his family. I think that is well deserved.

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This was terrible when this happened. I don't know if
you guys remember about this. But I have a post
in the gross room called free Fallen. It was from
twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
One, twenty two, twenty two.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Okay, so this fourth so I have the video of
the whole entire thing happening, and when you look at it,
any person looking at it is going to be like,
why the hell did they ever let this kid.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
On the ride?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
So, even though we're talking about a fourteen year old child,
when you see this kid getting on the ride with
his friends, he's clearly just like one of these huge
football player looking like kids that is really really a
lot taller and a lot bigger, and he's he was obese,
he was just a lot bigger. And when you see
him on this ride next to these other people, you're like,

(53:37):
clearly he doesn't fit on the ride. He has this harness,
you know, the harness that they put over the shoulders.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah, he has that.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Every other kid that's strapped into the ride, it's like
going down to their thighs, and on him, it's like
hanging at the top of his belly because it can't
even reach.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Over his shoulders.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
It looks like you're looking at it like this is
ridiculou right, and there's so the guy that's checking the
ride goes around the checks half the ride, but not
all the ride, And as it's lifting up, people are
yelling at the ride operator like, hey, are you going
to check people at the other side of the ride.
They go up and this So this ride goes up

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four hundred feet and drops. It's like the free fall
ride and it goes down seventy five miles an hour.
So as soon as it goes up and it starts dropping,
the kid flies out of the harness because he's not
strapped in and falls to his death in front of everyone.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
It was so terrible.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
The video is really disturbing too, because there is a
video of him falling out of the ride, and it
seems like he fell out so quickly and fell to
his death that he didn't even he didn't even scream
or anything.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
He didn't even know what was happening.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
And when first responders came and they're you know, all
of this stuff is recorded, they were saying that they
weren't able to really flip him over easily to do
CPR because they said he was at least three hundred pounds,
So I don't know if that was I mean, that's
just an estimate by people on the ground. But all
I'm saying is like when you watch this video, and
this needs to be a thing now because so much,

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so many more people are obese that they need to
be They have to have restrictions at rides, even though
it might offend people. He might have got upset if
they turned him away, but at the same time he'd
still be alive. Well, I think we need to have
a conversation too about teenagers operating these rides, because how
many accidents do we, you know, talk about and it

(55:30):
ends up being like a sixteen year old running this
ride that's extremely dangerous for humans to be on, and
they don't check the restraint, they don't hear when people
are calling for help, and most of the time they're like, hi,
of course they are because they're working at a theme
park and like that's what you do with you to
a teenager. So yeah, I think the settlement is good

(55:50):
for the family. It said they also reported a settlement
between the theme park and the ride operators, so this
was specifically about ride makers And yeah, I mean I think, no,
I don't really think it has anything to do with
the ride itself. I just think, I mean, I don't
know the details of the case, but just looking at it,

(56:12):
it's like it doesn't seem like it was a problem
for anyone else. It just was they just really need
to maybe clearly they found them responsible for something, or
they wouldn't have vage O.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I know they.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
I mean, I would think it was more just the
operator of the ride. But I mean, this kid, he
was only fourteen years old. So if if the adults
in the room are telling him it's okay to go
on the ride and letting him sit down, then how
would he know. I mean, he knew it didn't fit correctly,
But kids are fourteen years old, don't understand seventy five
miles an hour with that thing over your shoulder is

(56:43):
not holding you down.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
You know what I mean. Yeah, So, yeah, really sad case.
I felt so terrible when that happened.

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Speaker 2 (57:42):
Okay, true crime.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
So a Missouri couple has been arrested after performing a
botched circumcision on their child in their house.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
What's wrong with people using a box cutter? Oh? Disgusting?
Like all right, So, so they did this at their house,
and they brought their.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Kid to the hospital because clearly it didn't go right
when they thought it was going to. And then they
got tired of waiting, so they left against medical advisement
from the staff.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
So they have a bunch of kids.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
They had five other kids maybe or something so or
maybe that including that kid, five kids at least, and
did they try to do this on the other kids.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Did they successfully do this? Like why were they doing this?
I don't know. They didn't even say how old the
kid was. The kid could have been fourteen.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
They said it was a kid under eighteen, So we
don't even know if it was a baby or not.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
But yep, but yeah, they brought the kid.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
So the dad said he did it with a box
cutter and was surprised how much bleeding there was, so
took them to the hospital. And there at the hospital,
like Maria said, they had to wait for hours and.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
They were like, yeah, we're not waiting him more. So
they went home.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
What what gave the tip off to the authorities about this, Well,
I guess the medical staff at the hospital alerted, like
Child protect Services and said that something was fishy. And
then when they got to the house, they asked the
parents about it, and they didn't even deny it. They
said they did it. They asked the dad about how

(59:10):
he did it. He said with a box cutter, and
then when they asked if he had any medical training,
he said he didn't, but he conducted research and prayed
for a blessing.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Yeah, it just.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Doesn't make any sense to me. It wasn't associated with
like a religious thing or whatever. I don't know why
anybody would do that with a box cutter anyway.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
That's just so gross.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
This kid's lucky he's not going to have permanent issues
with it, between an infection or just having too much
skin cut off or whatever. And we don't know he might,
but they took the kids away from the parents for now.
So yeah, so both the mother and father were charged
with child abuse and the dad has an additional charge

(59:52):
of performing unauthorized surgery, which is insane. Think about being
an adult and being like my parents performed surgery on
me when I was a little kid in my house.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Well, I mean some cultures do that. They're not surgeons.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, but I'm just saying it's not like I understand
that there's like more of a ceremony and everything that
goes with that, but you know, it's still it could happen,
and there's been there's issues with those sometimes too, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
But yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Understand what the point of doing this is. I mean,
you know, like I'm anti circumcision anyway, so I don't
understand what the point of this is ever, but definitely
not to do at home with a box cutter. No never, Okay,
medical news. Back in the summer of twenty twenty two,
this woman went to the hospital because she felt that
something was stuck in her eye. So the doctors had

(01:00:46):
examined her. They noticed some irritation, sent her on her
way with eyedrops.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
A couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Later, it didn't get better, so they then numbed her
eye to take a closer look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
And what did they find. They found live parasites, little
white worms squirming or in her eye.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I can't even see them. How horrible this is. It
is disgusting. I don't really like eyeball content in general,
but like the thought of worms being in your eye
parasite something moving around is horrible. So this post is
in the grocer room and it's called I See why
And you can fathom them. How terrible it is because

(01:01:23):
you could see the video of them extracting them from
her eye.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Did you say it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I saw that you posted it, and then I started
watching it and saw where it was going, so then
I couldn't handle it. So this particular parasite is called thlasia,
and this occurs in domestic carnivores like cats and dogs,
and it could usually be transmitted while we should say
rarely transmitted from two humans. So it's called a zoonotic disease.

(01:01:52):
It's one that goes from animals to humans.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Via a fly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Okay, so they question this lady and they say like, hey,
have there been flies in your house? Like how did
you get this kind of thing?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
And she's like, well, my cat did have a similar
discharge and itchiness to their eye, but that's it. So
then okay, doctors are like, Okay, she got it from
her cat somehow, right, And then they wanted to test
her cat to see if her cat had the same thing,
and she refused to get the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Cat to tested.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Why would you deny them from looking at the cat?
Like did she think they were possibly possibly going to
put it down or something? Yeah, that's what I would think,
Like this happened in China, and I don't know what
their procedure is when there's things like this that happened,
but she was you know, if this happened in America,
they would test the animal and treat the animal and
then send the animal back to your house if there
was no signs of neglect or abuse with the animal, right,

(01:02:45):
but there who knows what they do, right, Like, they
might take the cat away, and maybe she just didn't.
She didn't want to do that, you know, the problem
is is that they extracted all of these parasites out
of her eye and they treated her. But like, if
the hat doesn't ever get treated, then she just risks
getting it again, you know what I mean, Because she's

(01:03:06):
she's probably cleaning this goo off the cat's eye and
then like not washing her hands properly and touching her
eye or however she's getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I don't freaking know what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
But yeah, it's so the craziest part of this case
is that not only is their video of them extracting
these worms out of her eye, but then they put
they get a microscope slide and they put sterol saline
on the slide and they put the worms in this
like drop of sterol saline, and you could see the
worm like squiggling around, and you're just like, oh my god,

(01:03:36):
imagine this is exactly why this lady was like freaking
the hell out about her eye and having this like
foreign body sensation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Could you imagine that? No, not at all, Like, I shit,
is the worst. I can't stand it all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Right, before we get in this next story, can you
talk about the condition that's known as were wolf syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Really really rare, and it's called hypertrichosis. You've probably seen
it the news that there's these people that actually kind
of are human, but they look like werewolfs. They have
hair growing in places that most humans don't have hair growing,
like on their cheeks and their forehead, and they they
kind of look like a werewolf and that's where it
comes from. But it's really rare, and they've.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Been seeing a lot of increased cases of it recently.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah, so you know, at first and I was like,
get pictures of this. I thought about Luccia because she's
so the artist. The article was saying that it can
make you grow hair and make you look like a wookie,
which is actually a nickname we call Lucia because she's
just like this cute little furry hair while you know,
she's like yeah, and she's Italian and she's just got well.

(01:04:43):
So the picture in the article has a picture of
a kid's back that's really hairy, and then underneath it's
like hypertrichosis and they can look like a wookie d
quote and I screenshot that whole thing incided to Gabe
this morning and I was just like, oh my god,
because we I pour little wook Wook. So so yeah, that's
one of the little nicknames that we've had for Lucia

(01:05:05):
since she was a little kid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
But this is a little bit more extreme.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
This is just how I mean, you see guys on
the beach that have hair on their back, and then
this is like having as much hair on your head
on areas of your body that you normally wouldn't have hair. Yeah,
so they're saying in Spain, since the Middle Ages, there's
been less than one hundred documented cases, and in just
the last year they have nearly a dozen documented cases,

(01:05:31):
and they think it's related to this common hair loss
over the counter medication that people are using, yeah, monoxidal
or it's like rogine. Okay, okay, so this is this
is my only question. So so they've done all of
these studies now to find out that there are certain
children that all of a sudden would have all of

(01:05:51):
this hair all over their body hypertrichosis. And when they did,
when they found out like what was going on in
their families. It was like there was always some caregiver
that was using this product and they thought that that
was what was causing it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
So in one case, one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Of the dads had alopecia and he was using the
monoxidol for that, and then when he discontinued it, the
child like lost the hair and didn't have the symptoms anymore.
So they're just making So when I first read this story,
I thought they were saying that before conception, the father
was taking this medication which then gave the child this problem.

(01:06:27):
But it's seeming like they're using this topical cream and
then touching the kids at the same time, which is
then transferring over. Yeah, there's there's somehow a transfer from
the topical cream. And my question is is that people
have been using this for like twenty plus years.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I don't even know how.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I mean, I remember seeing advertisements for Real Game when
I was a kid. It's been around for a long time,
So why is it all of a sudden This year alone,
eleven cases, It just seemed it just seems unusual to me.
And plus so many people use it in America too.
I actually used it once because after and it's funny

(01:07:10):
because I was thinking, like, did I use that with Luchaya?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
But why would she still be hairy? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
But I did use it because I got extensions once
and big chunks of my hair fell out. And when
I went to the dermatologist and just asked them about that,
they were just like, oh, use like rogaine, It'll make
it grow back. And it did, which is insane. So
I did use it once for a short per like
for a couple of months or whatever. But it's just
it's just really lots of people use it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
So why is this just happening in eleven kids as
opposed to all these people that use rogaine all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I find it weird that you can just like have
an ointment on your skin and then hold a baby
and then all of a sudden they get hairy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Other death news, So the World's most Dangerous toy has
hit auction. Fewer than five foul of these have been made,
so they're quite valuable. But basically, back in the fifties,
this guy, Alfred Carlton Gilbert created the Gilbert You two
thirty eight Atomic Energy Laboratory, which was marketed towards children
who are interested in science, and this kit has real

(01:08:16):
uranium in it, and now it's up for auction. So
we did a post in the grocerym back in twenty
twenty three that was all about the injuries that you
could get from different types of toys, and it was
a it's a special Christmas post and we'll talk about
a lot of that in our upcoming Christmas special, which
is next week, next week, next week.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
So, but this is one of the toys that we
talked about because this is obviously like nineteen fifties.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
Just get your kids some uranium, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
The problem is is that in the nineteen fifties they
knew the dangers of radioactive materials, and so it was
weird that they were selling it to children when they
knew that it could make you sick and kill you. Yeah,
but all right, so this toy can came out in
nineteen fifty and then within a year was banned because
of danger. But they knew when it was when it

(01:09:07):
came out that it wasn't that it wasn't good. You know,
like short term exposure of it can make you sick.
But if you have like if a kid has that
and they're playing with it for a long term. It
could really damage the DNA and it could cause leukemia
or something down the road. Like this is like really
bad shit, not to mention just the kid, anybody that

(01:09:28):
is exposed to it. So I'm actually surprised that any
of these are kind of still hanging around and ones
for sale.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
And did you see how much it's for? Yeah, there is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
As of the recording of this, there is sixteen bids
and it was up to twelve thousand dollars. I mean,
it is kind of cool to be like, oh, I
have this uranium in my house, but you don't really
want radiation stuff around you like that. They're saying that
if the containers stay sealed, it's as much radiation as
you would get from UV exposure. But like that's bad,

(01:10:00):
So you don't even risk it. Why would you even
want that? But if but if someone opens it, like
it could be really bad. I just don't understand, like
this should be in in like a science museum, locked
up behind some kind of lead glass or so. I
don't know, that could just like make it more safe
for it to be.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Viewed or something. I don't know. I just think this
is a terrible idea.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
How are they gonna ship it? Why would the auction
house want to handle it? How are they gonna ship it?
Do you know how it was stored for the last
seventy years? Where did it come from? You have to
ask mailman Mike about this, like, yeah, because they can't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
They can't ship it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I mean like in theory they could ship it and
just not say what was in it, but that wouldn't
be cool for the person that's uh. We have to
ask him if there's any stories, because he's been a
malman forever, Like if there's any stories of Postman like
having finding out that they were carrying like a human
head or I told you that once, right, And when
I was working in the hospital, you got a brain

(01:11:01):
set like I don't know if it was courrier or
set in the mail or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I don't remember. We got a brain that for one
of our neuropathologists to look at.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
And when the guy handed me the box, I was
kind of like, do you know what's in this box?
And he was like no, And I was like, it's
a brain, like a human brain, and he was like,
are you joking? I was like, no, it's it really
is there's a brain in here? Like it just was
so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I'm like, how do you not know that you're holding
like someone's brain in this box right now?

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
But yeah, so I'm curious with mail and stuff like that.
If he's ever had any like crazy stories of like
transporting anything crazy, well, fitting ends tomorrow. So if what
if you were interested, you get head over to the
auction site and see if you could get a chance
to get this thing, which I would not advise, but
some people clearly don't care. All right, let's move on

(01:11:53):
to question to the day. Every Friday at the at
Mother Nose Death Instagram account, we put a question box
up in the story. You, guys, ask whatever you want First.
What makes you more interested in natural pathology versus forensic
I think natural pathology is more exciting to me because
I think it's more relatable. It's certainly more relatable to

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me because I don't I've known a couple people, honestly
that have been murdered or had it. Forensics a way
of death and injury, but more commonly, I think most
of us could agree that we know everyone that deals
with some kind of natural pathology, including your own self.
So I think it's more interesting, and it's it's more
it's I don't want, I don't know how to say

(01:12:37):
the word it's spontaneous, it's it's it's just it's just
more interesting to me than forensics. I think forensics there's
just a certain amount of things that you're going to
see that and I don't really like a lot of
the stories that go around it. Like, for example, we
talk about all these terrible stories here, but I don't

(01:13:00):
have to do the autopsies on these people and the
surgical specimens and have any interaction with their families or anything,
and like be able to feel the real human element
of it. So I think that I'm really I'm interested
in forensics to talk about it like that, but to
actually be doing the autopsies, which I have been involved
with when I was training are it's just a lot

(01:13:20):
different when you're actually involved with it, and sad it's
just like a kind of depressing day every day. And
I feel like with natural pathology, it's like there's a
lot of it is like you can't really do anything
about it. It just happens and you kind of got
a roll with it. So I don't know that's why
I just find it a little bit more interesting. All Right,

(01:13:40):
what does ACP mean after your name? American Society for
Clinical Pathology. So that is after we go to PA school.
So you have to if you're going to be a
PA or a pathologist assistant, you have to go to
an accredited school that is allowed to teach the pathologists

(01:14:01):
Assistant program and once you finish that program, so that
would be a master's degree.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I think all of the programs are master's degrees. At
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
You have to take a test to be a certified PA.
So if you don't take the test, then technically you're
not a PA. And that is through the American Society
of Clinical Pathology. So not only do we have to
take a test when we graduate, but every three years
we have to renew our certification by taking CMEs or
continuing medical Education credits to recertify. So I just did

(01:14:34):
mine right this year in August? Yeah, yeah, because I
always am like crunching at the end. But yeah, so
I'm good for the next three years or so to
renew that. All right, last, what decided for both of
you that your husband was the one you want to
go first?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
I think it's one of those corny things like just
when you know you know type of deal. It's not
like this magical moment happens like in a Hallmark movie
or something where you realize it. I think you just
realize how good and organic your chemistry is. For me,
something I was seeking and my long term significant other

(01:15:17):
was I wanted to have a lot of same interests
but also a lot of different ones, because what fun
is it going out with the same exact person as yourself.
And I think part of growing a life with somebody
is like taking on new interests or learning about something
else and sharing different things you guys are interested in
with each other. I also think, you know, the biggest

(01:15:39):
contributing factor is being with somebody that's loyal and that
you trust, and that genuinely loves you and cares about
your well being and your family. And I saw all
of those things in Ricky and very quickly, and I
kind of just knew right away that we you know,
I couldn't predict two weeks into dating that we were
going to get married or anything, but I knew he
was really good and awesome for me pretty quickly into

(01:16:01):
going out. Yeah, I mean, I'm like different than Maria,
because I'm like a right away person and like lots
of people in my Maybe Maria can't speak for that
because she was only thirteen and she didn't really like
understand the full depths of dating and relationships at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
But like if you ask people that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Were in my life around that time when I met Gabe,
like my mom or maybe like Aunt Crisper Andrea, all
these people will say like she one hundred percent knew
that she loved him, like the very first.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Day that she met him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Yeah, like they will one hundred percent say that, And
I can't really explain it. It's just like prior to
being with Gabe, I was in a relationship for like
years before that, and it's just like and and other
relationships too, And I just think that once I just
met him, it just I just felt different, Like I

(01:16:54):
felt like this connection that I never wanted to be
away from him, and it just was like this feeling
of no one else could quite just ever be what
he is in my life and what I feel of him.
There were times when we first started dating because like
it just didn't go like normal relationship stuff, just because

(01:17:16):
he was just like so weird and we broke We
broke up in the beginning there just because I couldn't
deal with his weirdness. And then as soon as I
would leave him, it just I just I would try
to date other people and stuff, and I'm just like,
I just like I feel like this missing thing in
my life, like it just has to be him. There's
no other shoes that could fill that. And I always

(01:17:40):
think about that too, like if anything ever happened to him,
because like a lot of like my one aunt lost
her husband when Aunt Terry, when she was young.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Pretty young.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
I think she was still in her fifties maybe or
like her late fifties, and she never got remarried and
she's in her eighties now, you know, and you just
I just think, like I just don't ever think that
I could ever meet any person that would even be
to that level of like what how I feel about him?

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Yeah, I would agree with that, and I think, you
know it, I feel like so corny saying this, but
I think there's just like a feeling you get around
the person that you've never felt in your life, and
you know, nobody else in the world can make you
feel that way.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
And like when you get those type of feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
I think that's when you know, like, this is your person,
because I'm very convinced that a lot of people just
get married to, you know, whoever's seemingly check the box,
check the box looks good in your Facebook pictures, whatever,
and they're not like genuinely in love with each other,
like your husband should also be your best friend, and
like that's how I feel about it. I don't think

(01:18:46):
other people feel that way, but that's how I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Feel about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
And you know, you can just tell the difference, like
you just know when you know, you genuinely know it's
not you shouldn't ever have to question like should I
be marrying this person? Like you should not at all? Well,
I think, I always say one of one of the
biggest warning signs I see with some people is when
they get so obsessed with like what kind of ring

(01:19:11):
they get and what kind of big, huge wedding they're
going to get, and you're just like, do you want
do you really like love this guy? Because that's will
That's like always the advice I'll give to somebody, like
if this guy couldn't really afford to give you a
good ring, and you just had to get married by
like the mayor. Would you still want to marry this person?

(01:19:32):
Would you you know, would that be okay with you?
That's why I look at it like that, because I
think a lot of women, especially get wrapped up with
like having these weddings that I'll do their friend's weddings
and things like that. And you know, one of the
things with marriage is that I could say, like when
I got married at Gabe almost eleven years ago, now

(01:19:54):
our relationship is like a hundred times different than it
was then, and in another eleven years it's going to
be one hundred times different again. So you have to
be with a person that's like constantly evolving with you,
because like, I've been through so much in the past
eleven years, and Gabe's been through so much in the
past eleven years, and like, if we're not on the
same page and always changing and supporting each other, then

(01:20:15):
then that's when things start falling apart. You know. I
think you also need to be with somebody that has
no problem calling you out on your shit, because like,
you just can't act like crazy and let.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
It go on. You need somebody to put you in check.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
And I think that's very important, and obviously communication is
very important.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Check too much, too much. He puts everybody in check. Thought,
He's like the what do the girls say?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
He is elected? But he called they call him the lecturer.
He is a lecturer. But no, But yeah, so I
don't know. I would say, like, like, genuinely, it's intuition.
You really just know when you know that it's the
person you're supposed to be with. It just doesn't feel
like anything else you've ever vote before. Yeah, And I

(01:21:02):
can say that for sure because I was almost thirty
when I met Gabe, and I started dating when I
was like fifteen years old. I've been around the block,
you know, And I'm like, I just like it just
was different with him, Like it just like this internal
drives me crazy thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I don't know how to explain it. Like I never
had that with anyone else.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
And there were times before him that I felt like
I loved a person I was with, and I was
with a person for a while, but a lot of
the times it was kind of like I like this
situation or I like, there's like this famous episode of
Sex in the City where Carrie's dating this guy that
she doesn't really like, but she loves his mom. I
had one of those boyfriends too, Like this guy dated

(01:21:41):
when I was like seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Or something for two years. He sucked so bad. He sucked.
He actually wasn't cute at all, not my type at all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
And but I loved his mom so much and she
loved me, and I loved like his dad. I loved
the family and going over there and like I used
to do her nails and like all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
And then like you're in love with this situation, but
you're just like, if he was just different, this would
be perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
But like you know, that happens all the time. There's
always like every relationship you're in, there's like this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Butt and you know, I don't know. Yeah, But all right,
that's our stories. Thank you guys. We'll see you later
in the week.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Sayah, thank you for listening to mother nos Death. As
a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant. I
have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy and
pathology education. I am not a doctor and I have
not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without the

(01:22:44):
assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the

(01:23:04):
opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge
of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or
having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit
an urgent care center, emergency room.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
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