Coach Calipari on One and Done, NIL $ and What Makes Kentucky Special

John and C.J. are joined by the Hall of Famer, Kentucky Head Coach John Calipari. They talk about John's first recruiting visit, One and Done culture, the impact of NIL money, John's first Game Winner, and what makes Kentucky basketball so special. They also discuss the possibility of John going into coaching one day, and the advice he gave to Coach Cal and the team this season.

 

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's going on? Everyone? Welcome to point Game presented by DraftKings.
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we all love. The crown is yours. I'm your host,
CJ Tol'donno, you may know me from House of Highlights
follow through, but I'm joined here by the one and
only my co host, John Wall.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
John.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
How you feeling man?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
It was good man.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
I'm super excited man, Just happy to be back for
another episode. See it back chain on a LEXI see
I got that UK gear own self.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know what's going on today?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's a it's a very special episode. I mean, I
don't think it was our intention to be like a
Kentucky pop but like you're your your history with the
with the school is so rich. And then you know
Boogie was on last week, and I wanna, I wanna
tease our guests coming up in the show, our third episode,
but we already got Basketball Hall of Famer the legend himself,

(00:59):
Kentucky head coach John Caliperry joining us. How excited are
you to talk to John today?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Super exciting man.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
You know he's a coach I played for, somebody that
I enjoyed played for, enjoy my time at get Tech.
You I always had a great relationship with him, talking
to him throughout the years of him coaching, And like
I said, you see me in a lot of games
this year, just trying to cheer on the guys and
be able to support him. And I know how much
it means to him to be able to have a
relationship with all his old guys that used to play

(01:27):
for him, and we have that kind of connection where
we laugh and mill you know, I mean, we stick together.
We're a brotherhood, and we all try to support each
other throughout the NBA, college, overseas, wherever we're at.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, he's got already so many alumni or so many
alumni in the league. So I know we got March
Maddness coming up and we're going to talk a little
bit about that. But like it's crazy his influence on
some of the biggest players in the league right now.
So I'm really excited about that interview. But I wanted
to talk about this past week in the NBA. You said,
I just want to remind people how much are you

(01:56):
watching the NBA. What's your setup, like at the crib
right now.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I got this big TV in my man cave and
I split the screen into four, so I'm watching four
games at a time. It kind of prepared me for
me and March Maddens, you know, me March Madden's coming out,
maybe to see all the games that when they had
multiple games going on, especially like football Sunday, we get
to watch all the games.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
So you know, the NBA is different.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
No mean, they don't really have too many games at
the same time throughout the playoffs. But I may have
this sit already and last night I was locked in
watching games and stuff like that. So it's super exciting
me and I just love watching the games. All my
friends like, bro, how are you watching four games at
one time? How are you paying attention? But that's all
I care about, man, I just love watching the game
of basketball.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, this past week was crazy. It was a big
Lebron week. And I know you have some stories with Lebron,
but you played at his camp and we'll talk a
little bit about that later, but you played at his camp.
But this past week it was like the dude is
like thirty nine, right, and he had that comeback against
the Clippers. He just got the scoring record forty thousand points.

(03:00):
So I know everyone always talks about this, but I
would love your opinion on it. Do you think Lebron
is the goat to.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Each his own? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Like to whatever era, if you watch basketball or seen
like you know what I mean, it's who you are,
like you. I mean, a lot of people that played
against Jordan called Jordana goat, you know, I mean, people
that played against Kobe and seen like how dominating special
Kobe were, they called Kobe the goat. And then some
people put Kobe in a place where he's not even
in the top five. I don't understand that because if
that's the closest thing you see in Jordany has to

(03:29):
be right there. And then Lebron, you know what I mean,
he came in as a kid that I think had
to live up to the most hype ever. I mean,
coming in as projected to be this at eighteen years
old and to Whistan and got to the point of, yeah,
it's been special, you know what I mean, and being
able to see it, It's like it don't make no
senceany still be playing at this high level at this
age I think the most somebody average at twenty one

(03:50):
was probably like four points or five points, So I'm
not mistaken. It's damn there's still averaging twenty eight to
thirty points, and it just shows how much of he
take care of himself, put the work in, and better itself.
But some people you see young guys to day called
Paul George, they go, you know what I mean? So
I think it's all about the era you watched and
who you watched and grew up playing. But the historic

(04:11):
records he's breaking in the pedestal he's been on in
the bar, he's set so hard for a lot of
people have been a special you know, you can't do
nothing but appreciate his greatness while he's here.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, I think your first year you came in right
when it was his first year in Miami. Yeah, and
so did you have any like specific stories of some
of those battles are playing against the dude you had
watched on TV in your first year he was Miami Bron.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
I think it was like the first year was kind
of difficult or kind of different because they were still
trying to figure out like d Way still the alpha dog,
is Bron taking it over to the Alpha dolt. You know,
Me and d Wade had already won one in those
six and then they ad Chris Bosh to their team.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
So I think they were trying to figure all that out.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
But they still was a great team in highlight, waiting
to happen every time figure out the ball got on
the fast break. For me, I just wanted to play
well because I knew playing them, everybody was going to
be at the building. Everybody's will come watch and see.
I remember coming to Miami, they had some fire food.
I mean before the game, they had some fire food.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
I think when Bron left the food menu changed because
I went back one year. It was like, man, I
want this order right here. They're like, man, hey, Bron gone,
this ain't the same order no more. I'm like, but
it was definitely some great battles, and uh there was
a special team.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Man, it was definitely a special team.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Shit, they went to four straight finals, so they'll let
you know how special they was and got him going
to eighth straight finals, so you know how good they
was and how specially they was. And I think the
first year they lost to the Mas and the finals
when I'm mistaken. And then the next year they came back.
There was a lockout year we played sixty six games.
I think that's one of it. It was like, all right,
were giving Bron to towards Bron as a franchise guy.

(05:45):
Now d Wade took a back seat. Uh, and you
see where the rest was history from there.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Dump all right, well, let's move on another big story
that happened this past week. Caitlyn Clark, and I would
love you know your thoughts. One, We're going to see
if she's just declared for the w NBA Draft, so
I'd love to hear if you have any advice for
the future number one pick. We all know she's going one.
But what was your reaction when you know when you
watch her overall and then if you watched her, you know,

(06:11):
get the scoring record on Sunday? What are your thoughts
on Kaitlyn Clark special?

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I think she's special man, one of a con for sure.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
I mean, like we've seen so many people come in
and be so special in its sport of basketball, women
or men. I love the recognition these women basketball players
are getting. From last year when I started watching Kaitlyn Clark,
you know who she really was and the battle between
Angel Reach and LSU and all these It's great that
they getting that type exposure. I don't think they needed it.

(06:41):
They deserve it. I mean, they're just as talented as us.
They just do it more fundamental. They're not really dunking
as much and things like that, but they bring incitement
to the game. And that's what I was saying. On Sunday,
I had ford screen split. One of those screens was
Kaitlyn Clark. She broke it front the free throw line.
So I kind of talked to you a little bit
through Instagram last year and we exchanged numbers and trying

(07:02):
to get the opportunity to try to go to a
game and support you know what I mean. But she's
definitely a talented bro like she has everybody locked in.
She broke a record and nobody thought would be broken.
It's crazy because Pistol Pete broke it without shooting threes,
but that's just the era he was in to average forty.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's crazy in three years, but.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
For her to come and do it, like not only
break the women's record, but come and break the men
record that we didn't think was going to be broken up.
That just lets you know how special people are advancing
and changing. The game is evolved, you know what I mean,
Like she has killer step back going left. She's but
it ain't just scoring for me, Like she's helping her
team win. She's getting triple double, so she's getting eight

(07:38):
or nine sister nights. So she's just not only looking
to score for herself. She's trying to make her team better.
And look at a small town like I'm a small
state like Ayua, and then look at the school like
nobody expect them to have a player like that 'll
be on a mark like that. So just to see
how amazing the fan base being throughout their tournament run
last year and what they're doing this year, it's very

(07:59):
special and it's like to see.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
John, can you speak on just like what she might
be going through what you went through from you know,
being that top dog in college and then coming to
the pro game, Like were there some things that you
had to change up or were there some surprises that
you had making that transition from being a college star
and then you know, eventually becoming an NBA star.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Oh, one thing, I.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Think she has more media spotlight, you know what I mean,
like I always had a little bit, but social media
was not at the place it is now, you know.
I mean, like you always, like I always tell somebody
it's a gift and the curse to be who you
are when you're on that spotlight in pedal stool, because
it's always a camera or somebody watching you twenty four
to seven. And uh, that's something we'd have to get
adjusted to and learn from. But I think for her,
she did four years of college, so she's very, very experienced,

(08:43):
you know. I mean it's a difference for me where
I did one year. I had to get adjusted to
the speed of the game, the physicality of the game,
just understanding like what the NBA was all about, you know.
I mean, you get a lot of free time to
yourself that you probably don't get in college, and it's
like what do I do with this free time?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
And so I think her she's.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Like develop into a grown woman already, so she knows
how to handle herself and stand like that. I came
in in eighteen turning nineteen basically, so I'm trying to
figure everything out, make sure I have a good team
around me, you know, all those type of things. So
I think she's been a good headspace and I think
she'd do fin It was a little bit.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Of more justment for me.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I'm excited to see her in the tournament coming up.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
But yeah, I can't wait to see the tournament.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And so let's talk about that because I feel like
in the last few years the women's tournament has gotten
a little bit, you know, way, not way more attention
but than the men's but definitely people are really tuning out.
I think there were some TV ratings that got broke.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
So what is that?

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Like the women's game is just super exciting right now,
but the tournament itself is garnering a lot of attention.
What has changed is it? You know, we're knowing about
some of the players more specifically, what do you think
is leading to the success of the women's college tournament growing?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Oh, I think I hit it on the nose Earlier's
just social media. I mean social media. Everybody has a
spotlight on you. You know what I mean, if it's a
big highlight, it's going up on the internet. People able
to watch and see. And uh, I think last year
when are resent them made that run and Kaitlyn Kart
made a run, she made and uh, you know doing
this right here. I think that similated a lot of

(10:11):
controversy between both sides, and they was like it wasn't
a problem when Kart did it, but then when Aurie
did in a championship game, it's her problem. Like she
showed both but for both of them to say it's
nothing but competitives, you know what I mean, Like there's
nothing against each other, And I think that's what you
built up, you know what I mean, just having two
great stars compete at a high level and not judging
them by what color they are, you know what I mean,

(10:33):
Like they both for talent, they both for great what
they are and put that on the pedals through. I
think that helped them get to a level they didn't
think they was gonna get to. And I think they
had like the biggest rated of all time. I think
c double a history if I'm not mistaken, I don't
want to when I was Rerumber, I think like it
was the most watched game ever, like for a championship game,
and you wouldn't expect that from a women's game. You
expect it from a men's game. And that just let

(10:53):
you know how much our game is evolving. For the women,
and I love every bit of it because I think
they deserved that a ten that deserved that spotlight because
it's been so many greats before them, and those greats
paved the way for them, and now the younger generation
is being able to put it on the pedal, stal
on the platform.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
We're gonna take a break here on Point Game. When
we come back, we're gonna get John's former coach, basketball
legend Kentucky head coach John cali Perry joining us here
on Point Game.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Will be right back.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
We are back on Point Game with John Wall and
CJ Toldono, presented by DraftKings. We are so excited right
now we're joined by legendary Kentucky head coach, basketball Hall
of Famer, one of the most influential coaches in the game. Everyone,
please welcome coach John cali Perry. John, how you doing man.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I'm doing good. I get to speak with John Wall.
Jay Wall, Yay.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I'm so excited because we had Boogie on last week
and it was different. I see Boogie on podcast and
he comes on here with John and he's a different
guy his real self. So I'm excited to see you
coaching and your interactions here with your former player John Wall.
So I guess I wanted to start things off by saying,
what was your reaction when you first saw John play?

(12:12):
Was after video? Was it in person? What was your
reaction when you met John?

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Well, the first thing was, oh my gosh, is he fast?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
And you also looked at him. He had a toughness
to him. He had a chip on his shoulder. I
didn't know why, but you could tell he had a
chip on his shoulder.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
But the best moment was when I had his mom.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
That was the best moment because when she and I
got together, there was no chance he was going anywhere else.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Just a good lady, that really smart.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I asked John when he came with me, I said,
you don't leave here by you. You live here, You
take people with you. I was basically saying, be great teammates.
He took five him and four others. My whole team
he took. I didn't want to take my team, but

(13:17):
that's never happened in the history of the NBA. Five
first round draft picks, and he led. He came to
my office one time, coach, we gotta have Eric, he remembers.
He laughs, and I go, why we have to. He
doesn't think he's a first round draft pick. I go, what, Well,

(13:39):
then we got to convince him and by the end
of the year he had what a seventeen year NBA
career he was and the greatest kid.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
So I've given you another story.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
So I said that Eric LEDs how fast is John Wall?
He said, oh my gosh, And I said, he's faster
than you.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Oh no, he's not faster than me, but he's fast.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Hey, coach Booge and I chopped it up last week.
We had so many memories. Honestly, we want to thank
you for those. You brought us together. None of this
would have happened to realize how much we needed each other.
I just want to know, like when you're recruiting a player,
like what are y'all looking for you in your staff?
Like what you're looking for when you recruiting a player,
Like look at a guy like Boogie Flaying y'all y'all
just recruited and signed.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
First of all, I gotta make sure they can be
great teammates, because you know what we're doing here.

Speaker 5 (14:38):
John. It wasn't just you.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I was trying to coach everybody and give everybody a
chance to go do stuff. Now, the better players, they're
still gonna be the better players. They're going to be
the number one pick, the number two, the number six.
That's how it is. But you got to be great teammates. Really,
you got to be a five star player who has

(15:04):
some stuff with you.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Let me explain what.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
When you're a three star player, No disrespect, I think
it's great when those kids bust through, but they're used
to chasing their three star They're trying to chase the five.
The minute you step on this campus, John Wall, you're
being chased. Would you say everybody's super Bowl being chased?

Speaker 5 (15:30):
Am I right? John?

Speaker 4 (15:32):
We everybody's super Bowl. You told us that when we
stepped on campus. It's like your radars on your back, Like,
don't care if you're a number one player, number two player,
if you're a five star like we did, team that
everybody want to be. So we go play somebody. They
make every shot like bank shots, hook shots. I'm like, bro,
why they not missing it?

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Gains?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Hey how about this though, John, Every player tried to
make their name at your expense. And if you haven't
been that guy your whole life, it's hard to be
that guy than a three star, maybe a four star,
and all of a sudden it the roles flipped.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
And that's why I say, yeah, we got to get
talented guys, but.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
That everything we're trying to do, the process means really
good players come together, learn to be great teammates, and
then challenge each other and they grow, and then every
game you play is a war.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
You figure out who can play in wars than who.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Can't, but coach that It's insane that you hit on
one of the most historic like players in Kentucky history
your first year. And I had heard some stories doing
my research that you know, John was interested in John
was interested in playing with you when you're at Memphis
because he was watching d Rose so and then you

(16:55):
went to Kentucky and you had to.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Make that call.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Like I've heard the general story, but I would love
to hear the specific. It's like, you decide you're going
to Kentucky and you're like, man, I had my guy
commit to Memphis. So what did you call John? Like
how did that go down?

Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know, I don't remember, but John will tell you
he was never promised starting minute shots that I'm going
to be here for you and I'm going to challenge you.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
I've got you back, but you're gonna have to earn everything.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
And and you know it was different, and then the
Eric bledsoe, it's a great story. I go down to
recruit Eric, and now John had committed already, and his
high school coach says, well, John Wall and Eric, why
would you recruit Eric if.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
You have John Wall? And I said, and how would
you deal with this?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And I go, coach, if your s two players are
the same position, what would you do?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Said? I play the booth. I said, well that's what
I'm gonna do. I'm play both.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
And Eric whispered in my ear as I walked out
of the school and said, coach, I want to play
for you. And the two players that were like that
were Jamah and Eric Blazae and they basically were the
same scoring point guards, and they got along and they

(18:17):
covered for each other. I got a team this year
that's really similar in that they celebrate each other. And
we all look the Marcus. You know, I love the Marcus,
but he was a handful. He was an handful and
you know his his mother moved here back when the families.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
Weren't moving to the schools. She was a nurse. She
brought grandma to his two siblings by the month.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Here she pulls up the van and I'm where you're going,
Ms Cush, I'm going back to Alabama? And I go
why because my son trusts you and you're not afraid
of him, and he's gonna be fine.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
And she left and he was fine. Now he wanted to.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Shoot every ball and everything. I should have had everything
and all this. But at the end of the day,
I loved him then and I love him now. I
still think he has some time left in his body.
But John, how great was he here?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
He was special. He was my roommate, so you know
I knew him. I knew him very well.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
We had the funny story, he said, stopped telling the
story when his feet caught on fire when he was
running suicide that day. But it was great, man, like
I said, like the whole time there was just so special.
Like you made it easy for everybody because, like I said,
we always five stars. We could have went to any
school and just tried to be the man byselves. But
for you to be able to get five five stars

(20:00):
a returning player in Patrick Patterson and come there and
all come to be like locking million, learn how to
play with each other.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It was special. So my question I want to ask
you was what makes what makes Big Blue Nations so
special to you?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, it's a blessing and it's also a curse because
the blessing is our fans are engaged. They support, but
if you struggle, they're still engaged. So you lose a couple,
they're still engaged. You didn't live through social media like

(20:38):
these guys have to live. Can you imagine what they
did when John was here the game ended. We had
to have police horses beside the lodge so that they
could go in without getting accosted. Now it's more social

(21:00):
media driven and all that kind of stuff. You got
media trying to get clicks, so they'll say anything, even
not true.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
He's not coming back, he's not here. It would have
been crazy with you, you know that. Else would have
been crazy and I l oh and I l would
have made it crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Because do you think you would have had these guys
longer if you had nil back?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Then I would have told John Wall you're nuts, you're
the number one pick, you go, You're not coming back.
I would have tore up a scholarship. But there were
other guys that I would have said, you're making a
lot of money. Near what you're going to say. But
if they chose to lose, John, Okay, I would have

(21:46):
helped them and done whatever. But you know back then, Yeah,
let me say the greatest thing in all this, every
one of these kids, the first thing they did is
they took care of them. Every one of them took
care of them. Mom, That's the first thing they did.
So you know it would have been different. They would

(22:10):
have all how about this, John, None of you had
a car. None of you had got cars. They got
a parking lot of cars.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (22:27):
They lit, man, They lit. Now that's one question I
wanted to ask you to a coach.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I was going to ask you, has it ever been
a player that you wanted to stay one more year
that you possibly would have won a championship with but
you let him go? And at the same time, have
you ever had a player that wanted to take the
next step but you knew it's probably better for him
to come back for another year, but you let him
do it, make his own choice.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, I tell you one guy that I think would
have changed a team. One guy that I wanted to
go and I wasn't sure. Yeah, Daniel needed to stay,
and I think if he stayed, it would have helped
him in his career and it would have helped them team.

(23:11):
You know, I've had other guys that I talked to
parents and I don't want to mention names, but I
talked to parents and I said, are you sure? And
the thing came back with, well, they're all leaving, and
he feels he has to now that young man didn't
have the career that you guys had, like he needed

(23:31):
another year. I got a couple of guys on this
year's team that probably could use another year. But you know,
I'm going to support whatever their decision is. But I'll
tell them are you sure, because there's two things you
have to be NBA no boys allowed, NBA no boys allowed.
Are you mentally ready? And are you physically ready? You

(23:56):
think of all you guys, Jay Walk, you were all
physically and mentally ready to go. That's why you all
did well. But if you're not mentally ready, what will
happen in that league? If you're not physically ready.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's like a bully taking something front of your hospital.
Is over, and then what.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Would the other coach do every you're out there physically
you can't handle it attacking you every time you are
you saying every time or ready other time, every play,
every place, they'll put you in a switch, they'll scream,
they'll do something to where you're the guy. So if
you're not mentally or physically ready, you shouldn't leave. And

(24:37):
now then I help. It's all ego. Sometimes we family ego.
Some of them, well man, because he played more.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
He should have played more. He was better than your son.
But your son is fine. Maybe take a little more time.
And so that's the thing I worry about that some
kids may leave when now there's no reason to no
reason too if you want to stay, and you need
to say. Look, Willie Carley Stein came to me.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Kind of like Patrick did and said I want to
stay another year. And you know me like, why would
you want to stay another year? And Willie Coley said,
I'm not mentally ready to do this yet. And the
second thing, I couldn't believe he said it, and I
think he might have been lying, but he said, and
I'm enjoying school right now, and coach, you know.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
I need boss.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
So I said, Okay, Patrick's thing was I haven't shot
a three point shot. I've not played in an NCAA
tournament game, and I'm gonna graduate in three years.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
All right, those are I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I'm glad you let him come back. We needed to.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
I know.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I wish Jody would have came back too, though that
would have been specially.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
We wouldn't have lost that game where we went one
for twenty two because I don't let him shoot it
stepping over half court.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Coach you, I mean, the numbers don't lie. With this
last All Star game. I think the number is you
coach thirty percent of them. And then we also had
Daron Fox snubbed, we had Jamal Murray snubbed, Tyler Hero.
So what are you doing different You.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Had John Wall, you had DeMarcus Cousin, right, but like
this year's also guys that were in that game.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
What do you so?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
What are you doing differently that leads as a as
a college head coach, that leads to the success of
these NBA players.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I would hope they would say their first year in
the NBA was with us, with the terminology how they're trained.
And I bet to John Wall didn't get coached one
more play the way I coached them, And I'm not
saying I'm good. I'm saying I'm hard. They go to
the NBA. It is an exchange. We're paying you to
do this. If you don't do it, we'll go get

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somebody else. My thing was, no, I'm voting you to
a high standard, John Wall. If you're my best player,
I'm harder on you than everybody else. You want to
tell him the story. You came in and told me
you loved me. In the locker room, I was breaking
it down to him. I told him, I said, I
came tomorrow like, man, coach, I love you, said, man,
what happened?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
What's going on? I was like, man, I ain't having
fun and you can tell and then you can tell them.
So so he comes in.

Speaker 5 (27:23):
I'm sitting in after a game. He said, coach, you
know I love you. What you do? What you're saying,
he said, I said, I'm not having fun. You know what,
You're not having fun because they're guarding you under the
basket and you're missing shots. That ain't fun.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, So you got to get in it.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
And then he makes his game winner against Miami. We're
getting deep by eighteen. My first game in Kentucky, they're saying,
Cow's a bust.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
You can't coach. This is crazy. John Wall runs down
the floor and makes a buzzer beater.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
You remember that, John, And my first game win I
ever made. Remember you said you never see me do that.
You see you do everything else. I haven't seen myself
do that. I never had to be in that position,
But that's what But that's what I was saying, Like
it's like it's just different, like when you get there.
It's like I felt like I had to be a pro,
you know what I mean, Like high school, you work out,
you do those type of things.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
But we held to a standard.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I remember just in the summer time, we had to
be on the line at six am for twenty suicides
in twenty minutes. Remember that, I told her. I went
back to my dorm. I said, ma, I think I
picked the wrong school.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I ain't never did no.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Conditioning like this ever, but it prepared us to another
level to make us feel like we was in college students.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Like we felt like we was pros, Like we had
to be pros every day.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
And that's why I feel like you have so many
great guys that have life familiar, so many guys that
is selling so well in the league. My question I
want to ask you is this, because I know everybody
used to hate you about this. You started this one
and done thing, and we talked about this before. Now
everybody wants to do the one it done? Like, how
do you keep your confidence so strong that you knew
you was doing what's right for the kids and what's

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best for you and now everybody want to follow your train?

Speaker 5 (29:02):
Now?

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Well, what.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
What I knew? Start with Dewaan Wagner.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I knew that the way I played him, he would
be in the best draft position and coming back would
not help him.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
It would have helped me, but not him.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
And what we found out when we started doing it,
Tyreek Evans came in, should I go or stay? And
I said to him what I said to DeMarcus, if
you want to do what's right for me and my family,
you should stay. If you want to do what's right
for you and your family, you should leave. And it
never hurt us. You guys all left and we went

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to the final four. That group all left, and you
know we went to won the national title. If one
kid would have came back from that room the national title.
We'd have been a sweet sixteen, Elite eight, and then
we won thirty eight straight before we lost the I mean,

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it never hurt us as long as we were getting
five star players that understand you're gonna be chased.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
You're not chasing anymore. You're gonna be chased. And you
know what I.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Just said, Look, I'm doing it. I knew I took heat.
I took he here at Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
We can't do it this way.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
You care too much about the kids, and I get it,
but after they saw it for five or six years,
it's like kind of exciting, and these kids are all
doing well. I just didn't want to do anything at
the expense of the kids. And I'm trying to do
the same. You know, one year I had to play
two groups that I want to do it now. But

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that's the only way I could take care of ten kids.
That meant they were all really good. By the way,
we have Alex Portras got a belch palsy, So all
the people listening he's over in Europe.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
He's gonna have to take some time. But pray for
him if you get a chance.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Coach, I don't want to relive bad memories here, but
I wanted to ask you if you remember in twenty
ten tournament times coming up, So if you remember that
who you fell to, the specific player. I know we
all know the team, but the specific player that you
fell to in twenty ten, and how much that that
loss sort of bothers you still?

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Well, First of all, I always knew.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
We could dominate you physically athletically, but we weren't an
execution team. We just bowled you over and went matter
of fact, I called John coach, woulden't And I said,
you watched us? He said, yeah, coach, And I said
we're not a great execution team.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
You know what he told me, John, You play too people.
You have to play six guys and all that. Well,
I couldn't do that with this team. And he also said,
but I understand why you're doing it, because kids will
transfer and all that.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
He said. When I was doing this, I played six
or seven seventh man played a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
If you wanted to earn it, you earned it in practice.
But that game we played a really good team the
game before and beat them really good. But we missed
almost every three and then we come in the next game,
they go one three one and we're like one for sixteen,
what you're gonna lose on that?

Speaker 5 (32:38):
And it was the one Achilles heel we had.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
There were times in the season where Whether and Eric
got in foul trum that killed us. So he was
in foul trouble which made the game close, and they
played Westerrgin.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
You played the heck of a game. Heck of a game.
I think if we got by that one, John been
kind of.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Been kind of scary because I think we would have
most teams wouldn't have tried to play one three one.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Now, I think I think coach Huckins did a great
job because he started off. He started off in man
and probably after the first two three minutes he said no,
I can't do this no more, and we just we
just were like, oh for twenty to start off. Like
I watched the game the other day, we started off
like overtween, I'm like this one be his Like.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
It was stunning that we missed that many. But you
know what, if it were best to seven, what John, we.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Would definitely win that series. Indeed got it. It was Yeah,
it was one game, one game.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Coach do you remember the player whose idea was to
play that one three one.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
Well, I wasn't in their huddles, so I don't know.
It may have been the coach of the Celtics.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yep, that's all he's going for it.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Joe Missoula.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, but let me say this, Joe Mazzuola was shooting
about fifteen percent from the three.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
Yeah, and we were saying, let him go, We're gonna
help off him. What he do?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
John Man, he made like four or five and Man, David,
they was like the first half they didn't make a
two point basket.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
I'm like, what in the world.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
These guys aren't supposed to make threes? But you know
they were the players like everybody. We played them again
and Brandon I beat them pretty good. We played them
again with that thirty eight no team and beat them
pretty good. But they beat us on that night.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Yep, they won the best night because I remember the
next year y'all beat them and DeAndre Liggins was walking
shaking hands.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
He's like, do the John wall dance, Neill, do to
John wad dance, Neil.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
I remember that, but I'm glad they got some get back,
But that still is like the game that haunts because
we had a special team and we wanted to go.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
But like you said, in that tournament, it takes one game.
It's just one game and it's over with yes, and it's.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
You gotta We were prepared for the game, but it's
just something happens, foul trouble and injury. You hit a
bad spell, which is what happens in that tournament at times.
And like I said, my teams have done well. We
I've had one blip, but just about every coach that's
coached in this even they've had one or two blips.

Speaker 6 (35:10):
You have.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Hey, I got this last question for you, coach. Your
team has so many weapons this year, right, I know
this is the hardest part is like you say, you
got to go t D Like, how do you decide
who to play, who to rotate at time? Because you
know I'll be at the games. I come and see
and I'll be like, well, I wonder what he gonna
do here because I wouldn't know what to do with
the town you have. I was telling the CJ, I
feel like this might be your deepest team with bigs

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that could all be versatile, a lot of guards, and
I think it's probably your best shooting team, I think,
with how y'all can shoot the ball to hot clip.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
We are. But here's the difference.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Every team we're playing, their average age is twenty three
or twenty four grad students COVID years, and our average
age is nineteen. So that's one thing. But you asked
that question about how do you decide? First of all,
because we have a bunch of guys. If someone has

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it going, you know what I do, John, I just
leave him in. So last game, I sawd Antonio Reeves
our leading score with to go, and the reason I
did it was because he hadn't had to break it
and I wanted him to be able to finish the game.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
And then I put justin at four dig z and
all of a sudden, that group of five played so well.
I didn't sug. Just finish the game. There's no reason
to sug. So that's about how we'll end up doing this.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And I had I told everybody John Sits, he's about
five rows from me in the North Carolina game. I
mean five seats for me, not five rows, five seats
right there. And he looks at me and he goes
calm down, calm down your five let him go, Robert Dillingham,

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I'm kind of coaching him like I coached John, holding
him to a really high standard. So he comes in
and sees me and says, you coaching me different. You're
coaching me different, and I go, I am all my
former players, Aaron Fox, Jamal Murray, all of these guys
John Wall call me and say, why didn't you let

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me play the way you're letting him play. Just shoot
and play and go and make some mistakes and you
leave him in. You think I'm coaching you different. Everybody
else thinks I'm treating you different and letting you go.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
You got these butt backwards. So I am coaching some
of the guys. I gotta read Shepherd go on defense.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
He has some defensive breakdowns that I want to choke him,
but he ends up with five steals because he's playing that.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, five steals in two blocks.

Speaker 5 (38:02):
I know he could.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Hey, let me just say this. You gotta get the
video of us at Indiana. They're going absolutely nuts. John
does a crossover and dunks the ball left handed over
like two guys, and everybody in the building just shat
down and said.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
What just happened? I can't believe they didn't do speeds.
Then that would have been an speed.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah, I don't know Jordan Holes.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
I remember Jordan Halls, he used to play for Indiana
Elite day or outlet the ball to me, I.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Thought, that's incredible advice that John had given the East
of the North Carolina game. So, and you guys are
known as guard University, and so I guess it's a
question for both of y'all. Do you think John has
a coaching future? Could he help your staff out or
do you think he's a coaching future anywhere.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
If that's what he chose to do.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, because he has a wealth of knowledge and he's
also gone through it.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
And I have Kyler Julis right now. He's unbelievable. The
players go to him. Talk to me. I'm trying to
here's what I'm doing now with this team.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Amateur, pro, amateur, professional, So when something happens, I'll say,
that's what a pro does.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
And then the other one not talking, not ready, that's
an amateur. So don't think you're a professional, You're an amateur. Now.
I'm on these guys for that.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
You have guys like Tyler who had to bust through
and do their thing, and he's been great.

Speaker 5 (39:38):
If that's what John would choose to do, he'd be
great at it.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I would say, get on an NBA staff because of
Nil to transfer portal.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
I'm not sure where this is all going, but.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
You would be great around college kids because of the
resource and all the things that you've had.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah. I like what I talked to Tyler.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I love what he's doing because he's one of the
best point guards to come out of Kentuck King last
year's and like you said, nobody expected him to do
what he did at the level he did, and that's
how as he was and the way he played.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
And I know he's helping DJ out a lot, you
know what I mean? And that's dope and Read and
the other guys.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, because it's dope because I like for DJ is
different because DJ has been in the road where he's
always been a scorer's whole life to now he's learning
how to be a point guard and how to run
a team. And it's kind of being shaky for him
and difficult at times. So like, how you help him
get over that home.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I have him meet with Tyler and watch tape and talk.
But the greatest thing about DJ Wagner.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
The most cut.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Whatever I tell him he does immediately. If I say
move the ball and cut hard, he moves the ball
and cuts hard. If we talk to him about defense,
what he's got to do, he does at that moment.
Really intelligent, really smart, a quick twitch. But you're right
some of his habits. Or I'm just driving to score. Well,

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there's a seven foot two guys.

Speaker 5 (41:04):
You got to drive for another.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Reason, two three moves when you don't need two three moves,
just one move. Go buy the guy and score the
ball or create a shot.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
I got to say this.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
We talked Tyler Ewlis when he and his family came
in my office and we were recruiting him, and I
knew that he was good, but he was small. I
had coaches saying, now you finally got a four year
point guard. And when he was in my office, I
said to him, if you want to come here, don't

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be planning on staying four years.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
I don't know when you'll leave, but you ain't staying
here four years.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
You do know that, right?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
He said, where do I sign? I just wanted someone
to believe in me. I wanted someone to know I
could do this.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I remember he came on his visit.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
It was him D Booking and Julie oguf Whiz playing
pickup and I I had so much respect for him
in D Book because uh, D Book had got they
was getting into a book. You know how they do
in the battling going back and forth, and they didn't
back down. And I was like, you know what, I
can tell this kid from Chicago. And then D book
was not scared to guard me. And I was like,
this kid got a chance to be special. So I

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knew for when you signed those guys, I knew there
would be some good for those guys. So I'm glad
that the books at the level he's at, and I'm
glad that Tyler got over the humps he's at and
he's able to build a coaching staff and build his
resume up.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
And D Book the one thing I found out with
guys like you all stars, I mean, you're the best
in the world. Like I'm not talking just good, you're
the best in the world. You have to have an unbelievable,
other worldly self confidence that won't get shaken.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Now, it may get shaken, but you never let anybody know.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Devin Booker believes there is no better player in the him,
and you're not gonna convince him if he took a
lie detective test, Jamal Murray, they took lie detective tests
and you said, are you the best player in the world? Yes,
And the lie detective test would say he's telling the

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truth because you really believe it.

Speaker 5 (43:20):
And you've got If you're gonna be that guy.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Tyrese Maxy, the guy he's busting through, you gotta have
out other worldly self confidence. That's almost like you're running
for president and no one can tell you you're not
the best person in the universe.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
And so I've had those guys and they have to
build it. I can't.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And when I'm on them, it should never affect them.
A guy that loves you and he's gonna try to
help you, and he gets on you. If you break down,
you don't have the self confidence you need. You should
look and say, dude's crazy.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
He's nuts.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
You're hearing them say to me, I'm his best player,
maybe the best player to ever played for him.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
He's saying shit to me, he's crazy. That's that other
worldly self confidence that you have to have.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
And Devin had a dimnuty stepped on this campus at seventeen,
by the way, youngest player he and Michael kid Gilchrist
to get drafted seventeen year old moving it to the league.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
One last question, coach, We appreciate your time. We'll let
you go after this boogie was on last week. We
had a clip kind of go viral because we were
talking about Big Blue Madness and the cherry picking, all
the players getting sort of introed. And he said that
you had a conversation with him right before that, and
I want to hear your side of the story. I
won't even tell you what he said, but do you remember.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Well, you got to tell me what he said, because
that was twelve how many years ago?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Fourteen years ago?

Speaker 5 (44:53):
I just remember this coming down that I remember that.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
He said you chewed him out, essentially, so I wanted
to make sure he wasn't, you know, exaggerating that. But
he went up there because he said, you talk to him.
He went up there and you, a stoneface, did nothing.
So do you remember that interaction at all?

Speaker 2 (45:10):
He's probably was scared to death, but I will say
that it was. But I will say this, and I'll
tell the story that he hates that I give. We
were running those twenty twenties. The first day he stopped
after six. He's supposed to run twenty and he sat
down against the walls and my feet of fire, my.

Speaker 5 (45:30):
Feeder of fire. I can't do this. And I walked
over very calmly, didn't I drive very calmly. Yeah, And
I said, you're a finger on fire. Yeah. Wow, Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Now I want you to know, if you can't complete
these twenty for twenties, you will never start you. I'll
play you, but you'll never start. Now you play well,
I'll play you thirty minutes. You don't, you'll play five.
You will never start here unless you make The next
day wat y'a.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
He was out there running.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
And held have seen it. He threw his shoes across
the court. I mean like were like, what in the world.
So Kyle didn't finish the story that day. He didn't finish.
He made him sit at half court and watch his run.
So I so, like I was telling you the last time,
we all mad, like man, we want to fight him,
but like we can't beat him up, like we gotta
jump in. So but the next day he came back

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and finished. But he thought about he was like, man,
I want to transfer, but like, I don't think I'm
ready for this.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
He like what you think? I said, I'm not leaving,
but that's something you you want to leave. And we
shared the dom together. But it was fun though.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
You know, every player I've coached the first term want
to leave. That's this is hard. I'm not trying to
fake it. I'm not giving, I'm not promising. You gotta
take what you want. And a guy like John Wall.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
You don't leave here by yourself. You take people with you.
You bring them together and say we're all leaving. And
that's what he's done and I've had other players do
the same.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Coach. We appreciate your time. Good look in the tournament.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
Thanks guys, love you John Wall. Everything I am today.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Nah you made me you may your legend. Appreciate you,
Coach bang.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
All right, welcome back to point game time for our
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is yours. Okay for anyone the first time listen to
Bucketer Brick. I'm gonna say an NBA statement, and if
you agree or if John agrees, you're gonna say Bucket.
And if you don't agree or disagree, you're gonna say Brick,
and you're gonna explain why. So, Uh, John, you ready?
The Celtics the Warriors, just as a reminder by fifty

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two on Sunday, so they are favorites to win the
titles season with plus two thirty odds, meaning if you
bet one hundred, you're gonna win two hundred and thirty bucks.
So John, Bucketer Brick, the Celtics will win the NBA
Championship this season.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I say, Bucket, I think the moves they made this
summer was perfect for their team. Or they did a
couple of trades doing the deadline, and I think those
guys just have experience from being in the finals before,
like knowing what it really takes to win it now.
Then I think adding a guy like Drew Holliday that's
a great champion gonna help.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
He's been through there.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
He can keep them calm throughout the process and then
having a coach and Sam Counsell, you know that's been
there one championships as a player and knows what it takes.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
I think they find a way to get over their hump.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, do you think Drew is gonna be like, who's
gonna be that difference maker outside of you know, Tatum
and Brown doing their thing?

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Oh, I think you got you got two guys. Maybe
apazingis that's definitely a difference maker. But I think also
just Drew Holliday, you I mean his versa two, they
reguard any position, kind of like a Marcus Smart was,
but also just be able to knock down shots. He's
probably taking the biggest sacrifice out of all those guys,
if not really caring about scoring, but just doing the
little things to help them win. And I think that

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was a big piece that they wanted to get whenever
he hit the buy out market.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Okay, all right, moving on second one, Bucketer Brick Jordan
Poole should be a starter. Bucketer Brick.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Uh, that's a tricky question. I'll say, don't go fifty
to fifty on me. I think Brick. I think Brick.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
I think he's a He's a selling in the role
that he's in, you know what I mean, where he's
being a primary ball handler, he's able to just to
be able to create for himself and be free. I
think a little bit in the start lineup to me,
Cooles was getting to go in Tias Jones with a
true point. They trying to develop Danny Ivy a lot.
He's putting the ball in his hands a lot more.
He's been able to create and show his versatility. So

(49:49):
I think that's great for him to kind of take
away from Jordan Poole just trying to be hisself and
be free. So I think in that second unit he's
able you seen it, like thinks, having like twenty some
of his last four or five games, he's able to
be more free, be out there, be the more primary
ball handlers, the backup point Conne and just be a
great six Marroal. That might be his best position for
him as being a great six man roll kind of
like a Jordan Clarkson type, and those type of guys

(50:11):
are number pow.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Okay, all right, So this is an interesting one. This
isn't an NBA NBA question, So Bucketer Brick pickup basketball
should be played to thirteen by ones and twos.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Bucketer brick pickup.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yeah, like, what are you guys playing? Scoring too?

Speaker 4 (50:30):
And pick up bucket? I think bucket. That's kind of
how we play that. We played ones and twos and uh,
I think sometimes we go to eleven or twelve something
like that. Like, so, yeah, we kind of play like that.
I think that'd be fun ones and twos like that
because you get more games in. I mean that's how
we kind of played. We don't really play like a
shot clock or five minute game with ten minute game.
We kind of played like ones and twos going to

(50:50):
like eleven, I think we might go to fifteen. Yeah,
for the first game, for the first game is fifteen.
After that it might be thirteen or eleven. So we
cut it down after the first game because you don't
want the score to be too high. Yeah, ones and twos.
I played ones and twos and win by two. God no,
we play straight up, Okay, you know, we play straight up.
We get a bucket, get a stop. You want to
win and get a stop. That's why because some but

(51:13):
some people do play you gotta win by two. Some
people do play like so, I guess wherever you're at
whatever court you're at, those are their house rules. It's
kind of like playing spades.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
People like I've gotten in real arguments. Have you ever
gotten in like you know? I mean you didn't play
in like the twenty four hour fitness the way you
know some of these regular guys do. But like you
ever getting like an altercation on a pickup game?

Speaker 5 (51:33):
For sure?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
All the time. I'm all the time of the pick
up game. Yeah, and the summer I here at Ronnie
Taylor were the ones run. So we get into a
lot of altercations like not no fighting or nothing, but
like competitive nature, like nah, we're doing this and doing that. Yeah,
And I think we played ones and twos out here
for years and sometimes you got win by two. Sometimes
you win by one straight up, but it'd be a

(51:54):
lot of altercation back and forth.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I ain't getting off the court. I'm staying you can't
beat me. I'm beating you. So it'd be fun, pick up,
some fun, man, very psighted just to get out there
and who dope.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
All right, Well that's been episode three, A point game
with John Wall and CJ toldono, John, you feeling good
about this?

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Yeah? I feel great, man.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
I think we asked some great stories of KYL and
then we hear some great questions of just asking them
trying to figure out different things about like you said,
like the nil how you do all those type of
things social media world.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Just talking about story that we've been through and went
through and I think it was dope, dope.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Well, I appreciate everyone listening watching this, guys. There's been
point game with John Wallons digit to holdno, please rate,
review and subscribe, and we'll say this like, we want
to start taking some audience or some fan questions. So
if you can't go to wherever you listen to these
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Speaker 5 (52:47):
Ask a question.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I'm gonna start asking John some of the fan questions
and we'll start giving answers that you know the people
are gonna want to hear. So this has been point
game with John Wallons. Cgit toldno, we appreciate you guys peace.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
I think I I think I ran like a four
four four three when I was in high school. I
was fast. I was fast like people don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
In my high school, I wanted a long jump state championship,
the four bay one and the four by two and
the two hundred.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I was fast as ship.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
I'm gonna tell you a funny story. Yeah, I was
a I was a wide receiver in the free safety.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I was nice. It was nice. I wanted to keep playing.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
But my high school I went to at the time,
Garduer High School, Garne Trojans our high school JB teamer
like Barshie and I barshe looked like a college team.
So our basketball coach and the football coach you couldn't
miss summer workouts. And I was playing AU. So I
was like, man, which one I'm gonnao? I'm ana chose AU.
I get to travel. I ain't about to be able
to hot ass field.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
So that's when I stopped playing. But I when I
did the lung jump, I didn't know the technique to
do all this. So I usually just jump and hold
my knees like a cannonball. And then I used to
just fall forward. You like, if you fall back wherever
you're hand laying, that's where they like mark your spot at.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
So I used to just caterball, hold on as long
as I can, then just fall forward. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
I was a freak athlete off one foot. I had
stupid bounds. But I didn't have like I didn't go
to We didn't really have no I can go to
the high school. We really had a real coach teaching
you every day, like how to I'm just naturally gifted,
like God bless me. And I used to No, that's one.
Then the other one is so Look I had to
do hurdles one day, right, never did hurt les a
day in my life. The person that do hurt us

(54:29):
couldn't do it. I'm jumping and landing on two feet
and in the midst of the hurt of spaces, I'm
running mone as fasts I can to catch up. I
was like, man, I've never doing hurdles again. This is embarrassing.
But we didn't have nobody teaches like. I'm just like
this is like, you know me, all natural like, and
it was like, just imagine this was not me. They

(54:50):
supposed to do it that day. The person we had
poor to Hampshire like, bro, we need somebody for the event,
and they looked at me. I'm like, hell, no, you
trip over that first one.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
It's over.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
That's why I jumped off, Because I jumped off one
foot to lando two. I'm like I raally just jump
in Land. Didn't embarrass myself out here?

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