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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
have an update on a college cheerleader who killed her
newborn infant. We're going to talk about a couple of
horrific shootings that happened this weekend, including one at a
Mormon church and the other at a boat bar. Then
we'll discuss teenagers getting cosmetic surgery, a murderer who confessed
to his crimes live in a TV interview, and how
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our brains are affected by seeing horrible content on social
media all day. Then we'll finish up with your questions.
All that and more. On today's episode, Let's get started
with Lincoln Snelling the update with her.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, so updates with the Kentucky cheerleader who was arrested
after her newborn was found dead in a trash bag
in her bedroom closet. So when we first started covering this,
I feel like our number one questions were like, what
what even happened? How did she hide this pregnancy? Who
called the police? Because that wasn't clear. So now we're
starting to get some more info on that. So the
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story that's coming out now is that she gave birth
in the middle of the night, was awake for about
thirty minutes after giving birth, and then she's claiming she
passed out on top of the baby and when she
woke up, the baby was turning purple and blue. So
then she swaddled him and laid next to him for
a while to comfort herself. And then after that she
told her roommates that she had passed out because she
hadn't eaten. She went to McDonald's and then she went
(01:40):
to a health clinic. She never ended up going inside,
but while she was gone, the roommates were suspicious because
they heard all these noises in the middle of the night,
and then that's when they found the baby.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, so, my I just saw a new picture that's
floating around of her from July, which was what like
a month before this or this was when did this happen?
Late August? Okay, so yeah, so it was like a
month before this happened, right, And she looks pregnant to me.
If I saw her just and I didn't know her,
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I'd be like, Oh, that girl's pregnant because she's wearing
I mean, the girl's wearing a t shirt, But she
just has a certain look that pregnant people get, and like,
trust me, I know just that people in general gain
weight in different ways and everything like that. So you
can't just assume that someone's pregnant, because sometimes people just
gain weight in their belly. Right. But the thing is
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in this particular situation is that these roommates have lived
with her for some time and they know what her
body used to look like and now what it looks
like being whatever she was nine or eight or nine
months pregnant. Right, So, even though Laken had never actually
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admitted to being pregnant, there's no way in the back
of everyone's mind that knew her that people weren't like
what's going on here. Especially it's not like it was
the winner and she was wearing big hoodies and was
able to hide it a little bit. More. It's like
the summer and she's wearing T shirts and they're to
anybody looking, they would notice. So her friends probably were
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all whispering behind her back, like what's going on here?
Why does she look like this? And so as soon
as all this this unusual stuff started happening, like them
hearing weird noises at night, followed by her being like, oh,
I just stinted, I have to go get treatment at
the health center. I think that they were like, let's
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go creep in her room and see what's going on here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I said this at Crime Come Too when we originally
covered the story, that I have the type of belly
that if I'm bloated in a specific way, I could
look four.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
To five months pregnant.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Right. So I never want to ever criticize people the
way they look. And there is a world in which
she could have just her roommates or her friends or
her teammates might have just thought, maybe she's gained weight,
and maybe that's just the way it's sticking out. But
you never want to be that person that's you know,
we all know somebody or we've all done it where
you've ask somebody when they're due and they're not pregnant, right,
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And it's the worst thing ever, And nobody should ever
ask a pregnant person unless they're forthcoming about it themselves.
But I do think it's one of those things where
the pictures we've seen of her in the past, she's
extremely thin. She's always wearing crop tops with her flat
belly showing, so to me, if she's eight or nine
months pregnant, it would be way more obvious than the
normal person that might just have the same kind of
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stomach I do, where I could look pregnant.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's what I say. Like, I'm I'm a person too
that gains weight in my belly all the time. It's
like between my butt to my belly button is like
where I gain most of my weight. Right, But I never,
even when I have been at my very very skinniest,
I've never ever had a flat belly ever me neither.
(04:56):
I feel like it's like a certain body type and
she had a very athletic build prior to this. But
regardless of that, Like, I just think that they all
had in the back of their mind that something was
up because it Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But if somebody's not saying it out loud and being
forthcoming about it, you can even call them out and say,
we think you're pregnant. But what if she's you know,
you can't and it's made up. You don't have to
tell people. I mean, it's just whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But like in this particular situation, I just feel like
the roommates, Like imagine just being at college and living
with your friends and experiencing this, like one of the
roommates found the dead baby in the bag.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I mean that's horrific in itself. And then they're
saying a search of her phone revealed deleted pregnancy searches,
labor photos, and evidence of a concealed pregnancy, So clearly,
two investigators would appear she was fully aware of what
was going on. So that's what I had questions about,
because the searches seemed like, obviously, if you're pregnant, even
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if you're pregnant and planning on having pregnancy, people search
a lot of different questions.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's like totally normal. Oh Yet I don't think the
searches are abnormal. I think it's weird that they said
that there were pictures of labor, Like was she searching
for pictures of people in labor or was she taking
pictures of herself in labor?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I thought a couple of weeks ago they had said
there was pictures of her own labor on there. But
I don't really understand what happened. I don't understand the
psyche behind her at all in this situation. I mean,
she could have totally given birth and given the shot,
you know, like we always started talking about firehouses have
that kind of like don't ask, don't tell her whatever program.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well the parent, did you know that in this story
that there was one within ten minutes of where she
had this baby. Well I didn't know that. Yeah, that's
something that came out maybe a week or two ago,
was that they're called like safe haven box. It's a
box outside of a fire station that you could stick
a newborn infant in and you won't get in any trouble.
(06:59):
There's like no questions, don't ask, don't tell, kind of
like thing, which is which is really awesome because she
could have just but I don't think that many people
know about that. And I'm telling you, like, there's something
that in her mind she wasn't really convinced that this
was happening.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well, she it the way I see it. She's pleaded,
not guilty so far, so I don't think she thinks
she did anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I remember the.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Autopsy was inconclusive how the baby died, So would they
be able to go back and prove her theory or
whatever she said that she passed out on the baby.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They said that the autopsy was inconclusive, but they all
said they also said that it's still pending, so that
means that I don't know exactly what they're looking for.
That's this long. I mean that's a month ago, right,
but they're waiting for additional tests to confirm and probably investigation.
But she literally said that the baby was alive and
(07:57):
was whimper like making a whimpering noise, So she kind
of is saying that the baby was alive it wasn't
a stillborn, which well, yeah, and like listen, like they
still really need to conclude that with the autopsy if possible,
because that's a huge difference between how she's going to
get in trouble for this, because if she just had
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a stillborn and just concealed it, she's she's not gonna
get in any I mean, she might get in trouble
for concealing the death, but I don't even think that
she would. It's like a huge difference in charges besides murder,
you know, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Though. Let's say she did give birth and she genuinely
passed out on the baby and the baby died by accident.
She still hid evidence and put the child in a
trash bag, So like she needs to get she still
committed some form of a crime.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, and I mean that and that could just even
be if that really I just I don't know, Like,
come on, I just don't even buy it. But let's
say in theory that that happened, because I mean, anybody
who's given birth you know that that's a possibility and
you have blood loss and things like that. But the
fact that she passed out like that and just so
(09:11):
happened to fall on top of the baby, it's just
like it's still going to be negligence for her not
doing the right thing right, like well exactly. So there's
just what's interesting too, is that she was released on
bond to her parents, and like, what are her parents
think about this? They killed she killed their grandchild.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, I'm sure they're not okay with it if they're
good people, because nobody could understand being in this predicament.
I mean, you're hiding a pregnancy. In general, there's evidence
we know that she was aware of it. Even if
she was in denial, she still just did the wrong thing.
Even if she didn't want the kid. There's a million
things she could have done without the kid dying unless
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it was genuinely an accident.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Listen, Like you could say, if let's say, for example,
that that happened and she passed out, if she like
woke up right away and called naima Wan and was
freaking out like that would actually like you might believe
that a little tiny bit, but the fact that she
wrapped it up and put it in a trash bag, like,
I'm sorry, but when you have a baby, the last
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thing that you want to think about is putting them
in a trash bag, even if you know they're dead
or it's just completely disrespectful and and also like metaphoric
of putting your child in a trash bag listen. And
then I know, but then after that she went to
McDonald's and she told her friends that she fainted, like
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she didn't say anything about it. So to me, it's
like if it was an accident, like it's just bullshit.
I mean, of course she's going to deny it because
she's in ah ton of trouble right now.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, even if it was an accident, she's not going
to be forthcoming with this personality that she just killed
a child.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I know exactly. So it's just like whatever, okay, over
the week's wait, so is that real quick is that
going that's gonna go to court and stuff like. That's
something we're gonna be able to keep an eye on
and watch.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, they're saying there's enough evidence to present it to
a grand jury.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Okay, that I mean, that'll be really interesting to watch.
I'm curious how that's gonna go down, So we'll keep
you guys up to date on that.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean, I would say she's pleaded not guilty right now,
but at this point, which I could be wrong, because
I feel like I was so wrong about the Idaho case.
I feel like there's so much evidence that it's not
gonna be good for her.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So she should take a deal.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, but I would be interested to see this pan
out at trial.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, totally. Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Over the weekend in Michigan, a man drove his truck
into an LDS church before getting out, shooting at hundreds
of congregants and setting the building on fire.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, man, this is this has been like just a
rough couple of weeks for sure, with certain news stories.
And now I guess this guy was in his forties
and he just didn't like Mormon people. There's lots of
documentation of him. I guess now when they're interviewing different
(12:11):
people saying that it seems like he was in a
relationship with someone that was Mormon, maybe over ten years
ago and just kind of has this built up resentment
towards it for whatever reason. And just even recently, there
was this person that was running was running as a politician,
that had a conversation with him and he was making
(12:32):
a lot of comments that he didn't believe in the
religion and that he thought that they weren't Christian and
actually said the words he thought that they were anti
christ which also as soon as this person that was
running politicians saw him said that saw that the person
that carried this out said that he knew right away
(12:54):
that it was that guy because it was just such
specific rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, I do think it's interesting. I mean,
they have a very controversial background of how that religion
started in everything, but you could argue that every single
religion does. But it is disturbing to think that somebody
would target a group like this.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I mean, I know, I went on a.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Rant last week how I was really pissed at the
Catholic Church for banning that surrogate teacher, Right, but I
think you know, when you go to a place, if
people find peace within a church and they're there doing
worship and just trying to be themselves and you know,
partake in their faith, and then this person just comes
in and attacks you when you're just innocently trying to
(13:36):
be at church.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's horrific. Yeah, and it just the whole thing went
down so crazy, and it just so happens that there
were a lot of resident physicians that were just at
church so happened to be there. So not only were
they victims, but they were also acting as first responders
in the case. I mean, that's a lot of people
(13:57):
to get shot, and time is of the essence that situation.
But then on top of that, he set the building
on fire too, so people not only died of gunshot wounds,
but also died in the fire. I don't know if
it was they were shot and they were not able
to get out of the building in time, or if
they just got caught in the flames and weren't able
(14:17):
to exit the building.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But yeah, because it's really terrible, they said. One victim
died at the scene, another died at the hospital, and
two more were found at the scene due to the
fire so as of when we're recording, four people are dead,
eight are injured. The eight people that are injured range
in age from six to seventy six years old. Two
of them are in critical condition. It's horrible to see.
(14:40):
And so this guy, it's like, already traumatic. You have
a car drive through a building, then he gets out,
then he starts shooting, then he sets the building on fire.
Where is this going to end? These people must have
been terrified.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So this guy is a former marine, and there's there
actually might be a connection with the next case that
we're going to talk about too. But right before, a
couple of days before he died, his mom had put
this cryptic post up on Facebook, which they don't know
who exactly she was talking about, but saying saying something
(15:12):
that someone in her life was refusing to take accountability
and always twist everything, which is interesting if that was,
if that was geared towards him or not, we don't
really know any details. But getting back to his service,
he's so he's a forty year old guy that served
(15:32):
and went away to Iraq, right, And the interesting thing
is is that this other guy in this next story
that we're going to talk about also served They both
served at Camp La June. They were both deployed at
some point and there was like an overlap in their
(15:53):
time at Camp La June. And they're both around the
same age, like there'd be a connection. I don't think
that they've found one. It's just really kind of interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, isn't there all that controversy with all those there's
all those commercials about that camp, right?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, but that was something about one of our friends
actually was involved with that because he got some kind
of tumor. I think it was because of contaminated water
or something there. Well, like a long time, like a
while ago.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Well, I think it was bad because I feel like
it was background. How old is that guy that you know?
Because I feel like Ricky was he's like sixty, Okay.
I feel like Ricky was saying he was wondering if
his dad was involved because his dad had gone there
when he went to Vietnam. But maybe that was too
far back. So yeah, this next incident was just twelve
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hours before in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
This is insane.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So this guy who's also a forty year old ex marine,
he pulls up on a boat to a boat bar
and just opens fire on people eating on the deck.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't. Yeah, And like, what was that one about?
I actually think that I went to this place. Oh really, Yeah,
because Gabe and I went to this Oak Island for
our anniversary one year. Remember we stayed at like that
beach house. We drove down there for a couple of days.
Oh yeah, and we went to a bar that was
there on Cape Fear on the water that was right
(17:20):
around that area. So I don't it just looks kind
of familiar to me. It's just you know, you go
to those places all the time when you're on vacations
like that. And what was the reason was? Did you
cause I couldn't really find anything like did he go
there for someone specific or was it just completely random?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Like what was the way I see it now is
it was completely random and they're looking for a motive.
But unlike the last case. In the last case, I
don't think we mentioned that the attacker ended up getting
killed in the police shootout, so they need to search
a little harder for motive, whereas they have this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, that's and I mean that's good sometimes because I
guess trying to get to the bottom of why these
things happen the best thing is is to be able
to talk to these people and see, now this guy
had a little bit of a different history because his
wife was interviewed that they had been divorced already for
ten years and she was like he was even then,
(18:19):
he was like always crying for help and having serious
mental health issues and apparently wasn't getting treated properly.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, you know, with this case, I just think the
details between the two cases, especially them only being twelve
hours apart, are so eerie, both of them being forty
year old marine vit both cases. So in this case,
three people were killed, eight people were injured. That's almost
identical to the last case where four people were killed,
eight people were injured. And you know, you just see
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this history of the potential PTSD from serving in the military,
or not military but the Marines, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So yeah, I mean, and that's something then that I
wanted to bring up to is that that's especially for
people that get deployed to war and everything, that PTSD
is a huge known thing and it could just cause
people to have disturbing memories, thoughts, images of stressful experiences
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that they had, bad dreams.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Just.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Flashbacks, they'll say, and this has been known to cause
extreme agitation in people. They could have delusions and just like,
I mean, that could be and I'm not even because
really at autopsy that's not something, especially the one that
got killed in Minnesota, because they'll do an autopsy on
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that guy too. If for whatever reason at war he
had some kind of a traumatic brain injury, which is
completely possible, then you would see you could see signs
of that at autopsy. Also, if he had a history
of it, you know, he could have like CTE or
something like that. That would explain maybe why he decided
(20:08):
or was increasingly having just these delusions and thoughts like this.
And the other guy who's still alive, I guess they
could do more psychological testing to see if he does
indeed have PTSD and was being treated properly or what
caused it. But it's just scary to I mean, I mean,
we talk about this all the time. We actually didn't
(20:29):
even bring that up in this episode today, but there
was an update with that shooting at the NFL building
in Manhattan a couple of months ago that that guy
did indeed have early signs of ct in his brain.
I think he wrote that in his letter though, right
when no, he we already talked about that. But like,
it's just scary to think about people that are walking
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around that are having this condition in their brain that's
really not of their own doing, and then it's taking
over and then doing something terrible like this.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, I think in this case too, it's similar to
the last guy, where he clearly, based on what the
wife said, had a history of issues going on, and
the police were also very aware of him because they
said that this guy had filed several lawsuits against the
town and the police department in the past couple of
years with all these conspiracy theories that were never proven.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
The lawsuits actually sound so crazy that I can't even
believe a lawyer would try to bring them forth. Please,
it's there are types of but it doesn't. It literally
sounds like a person that's out of their mind talking
about people that they're trying to see somebody for something
that is an untrue story. Like it's just crazy, Yeah,
(21:41):
but it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But to think that you're just on vacation, hanging out
at a bar on a Saturday night and this happens
is horrific. And I definitely don't think anybody suspected somebody
who was going to pull up on a boat and
execute something like this.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, And I mean that's that's a lot of the
times when things like this happen. You always talk about
like soft targets. That's exactly right what you said. They
want to get people when they would least expect it.
Because I don't know about you, but every single time
we go in a restaurant now, it's like Gabe wants
(22:15):
to sit in a certain seat so we could see
the front door, and like, this is where we're gonna
leave if there's a problem. Like it's so sad that
you have to think that way, but that's the way
it is now. Same at the stadiums and things like that.
And then it's like you're expecting this to happen. Like
if you said to someone as a shooter gonna come
in the restaurant, you would expect them to come in
the front door. You wouldn't expect them to be coming
(22:37):
from behind the kitchen, you know. Like it's just and
it throws people off, and that's how they get more bodies. No, totally,
and it's it's a shame too at church, like we've
had at least two church shootings this year, if not more.
I mean we had two major ones at least within
the past couple of months. I think it's I think
(22:57):
that all churches need to be like having some kind
of a plan of action as to But every single
time we see one of these things happen, it's like
something new gets introduced that us regular people are like,
I never thought that that would happen. Like, Okay, the
guy comes in and shoots up at church. Okay, that's happened,
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but ohnally sets it on fire. So when there's all
the chaos is happening, now you have to deal with
escaping a burning building, which churches are infamously like the
worst buildings to burn down because they have so much
room in the roof and a pitched roof like that,
they're like the worst fires. Gabe always says that. So
(23:39):
you know, there's always like another thing thrown into the mix.
This is now, Oh there's a shooting at a restaurant.
Oh well, this time the guy's coming up on a boat.
Like right, it's just well, how would you even prevent that?
You know, It's what I'm saying at most of it,
But it's just like they like, these people that want
to that that are intent on hurting people just try
to throw other things in the mix to throw people off,
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Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, I guess I'll start from the beginning, just so
everybody could really understand. I mean, the story in general
is really messed up, but when you learn about what
happened from start to finish, it's completely unforgivable.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
This happened in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So this dad gets a call from his fourteen year
old daughter's mother saying they tested positive for COVID and
we're going to quarantine in a cabin with no cell service.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So he was worried. We didn't think too much of it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
A week later, the fourteen year old ends up dying,
and the dad doesn't find out until her funeral that
she didn't die from COVID, but died from a botched
cosmetic surgery where she got a breast augmentation from the
mother's new boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
This is the thing, because plastic surgeons don't always have
set rules for Okay, you're this age and you can't
get this because a lot of times there's a crossover
with plastic surgery that it's sometimes like, let's say, for example,
if a child has to get part of their ear
caught off for cancer or something like that, or just
(26:23):
like a reconstructive surgery would be considered a plastic surgery,
and they do that sometimes for children and just other
things like let's say a kid, a girl goes through
puberty early and gets really big breast and wants to
get a breast reduction, Like oftentimes they'll do that way
before eighteen years old, just because it's physically causing problems
(26:45):
to her skeleton, right the weight the excess weight of
the breast tissue. So there's there's not like a hardcore
line of like we don't do these surgeries under this
age or whatever. But typically when they do a plastic
surgery on a child, you have to have the consent
from both of the parents, and I guess in this
case they only got the concept from the mother, but
(27:07):
I'm sure there was a lot of things skipped because
it was her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well you know what, too is the most messed up
part of this is at her funeral, a couple people
had made comments to the dead that her boobs looked
so much larger, and he asked the mom and she
totally blew him off and denied it. So then he
was able to convince the mother to leave the room
so he could grieve in private with his other family members.
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And when they got the mother out of the room,
his mother, sister and sister in law looked under her
shirt and saw the scars. They took pictures of the
scars and the breast implants. And she's fourteen years old,
which is just so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous that a mom.
This is another thing too, And I read on other
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articles that she was also having a butt lift. Okay, so,
so which would be like I would assume would be
like a BBL procedure, right, which is known to be
the most deadly cosmetic surgery procedure. It just it's the
when you think about people dying during plastic surgery, it's
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because of bbl's right. So, which is likely because I
actually thought that it was unusual that she died having
her boobs done because breast surgery is done so frequently,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Not not that it can't happen. It would most likely
be because of an anesthesia issue. But just like it's
just highly unlikely for a person to die during a
breast implant surgery because it's very superficial like you just
it's not invasive. You're on top of the chest cavity,
whereas like a BBL is using a liposuction tool in
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very dangerous areas which could cause a fat embolism or
pulmonary embolism in somebody. It's just so such a riskier procedure.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But if it was being done illegally, did they have
all the safety in place?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, I mean that's completely also a possibility. But the guy,
the guy was a doctor, so but who knows?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, but was he doing it under the radar because
they didn't have the proper consent as well?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I'm asking who knows what was happening there?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Like, so, it says she went into cardio respiratory arrest
and had severe brain swelling that led doctors to induce
a coma and put her on a ventilator. And then
after she was on the ventilator, that is when the
mom alerted the dad that she was about to die.
And then I was like, oh, it's she's having bad COVID.
I was interested in this too because the death certificate
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indicated that her cause of death was cerebral edema resulting
from a respiratory illness, So was that just negligence on
behalf of the hospital or what because she didn't end
up getting an autopsy.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well she was, she was while she was alive for
seven days before she died, so I don't know exactly
what happened, like what the event was that put her
in the hospital on a ventilator. She probably had a pulmentent.
Like I said, she could have had a fat embolism
or a pulmonary embolism, and then she was on the machine,
so she could have gotten a respiratory infection due to
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being on the ventilator. But it's more than likely just
damage that was done from the initial surgery that you know,
she was having complications from that that damaged her lungs
and she didn't have an autopsy. But the father wants
her to have an autopsy well now after he knows
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that she had the test implants. So I mean, at
this point they're going to be they can do an autopsy,
but now she's in bombs so there's likely going to
be some artifact because of that. But really at this point,
I don't really I don't really know if it's necessary
because like she didn't she died as a result of
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having complications from the plastic surgery. So if he like,
they're not really going to be able to figure out
exactly maybe the pivotal thing that happened because they have
so much documentation from the hospital over the past seven days.
But if he's planning on I guess bringing charges and
having her the mother, get in trouble, because the mother
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should get in trouble technically, but I don't know if
the mom would actually get in trouble or I mean,
the doctor would definitely get in trouble because they are
supposed to have signed consent from both parents apparently in
this case, so her doing it is like one thing,
but like they're supposed to be a person that stops
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that from happening. That didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
But I guess what I'm just not understanding is like
I understand they're saying she died from the respiratory illness, right,
but like when she when she got to that point,
they weren't like, how did she get here? The mother
just said, oh, she had COVID and she's not breathing,
and they just accepted that. Who the hospital, Yeah, no,
the hospital would have known. Yeah, But they're saying on
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the death certificate they filed.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It had nothing mentioning. Well, the death certificate isn't filled
out properly. It should say It could say that because
that's actually her cause of death. But then it could
say as a result of complications due to cosmetic surgery,
which is the autopsy would be. Listen, this is all
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in Mexico, so I don't know how they do shit
there anyway. Right like this, I'm talking like if this
was done in America, and I don't know this. This
is something that you know, if this was in a
US hospital and this happened, that would be documented as
part of her treatment and it should be on the
death certificate. But we talk about all the time the
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death certificates are never filled out properly. So and that technically,
like in America, that happened, that would be considered an
accidental death, and that's a reportable death, and that would
be a medical examiner's case. Now, the hospital might let
the or the medical examiner might let the hospital do
the autopsy, but the medical examiner is going to have
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involvement because it would be considered an accidental death. I
don't know how they do things in Mexico. But okay, So,
which is part of the problem because right then and there,
like she that wouldn't even have went down like that
here kind of you know. Yeah, all right, this man
went on the news for a sit down interview and
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admitted on TV to killing his parents and burying them
in the backyard. Yeah, I guess they the people were
onto him at first that he was doing something because
apparently the parents have been dead for a while and
he was collecting their benefits.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Well, it first started last Wednesday as an investigation because
there the police or investigators became aware that these social
Security checks we're getting cash. But the parents hadn't been
seen in a very long time, and according to neighbors,
they thought they had moved to Germany or something totally random.
So they go to the house and they end up
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finding their bodies in the backyard. And then the very
next day their son calls CBS, like the local Albany
CBS and with this statement and go and they convince
him to come in for this interview.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
And while he goes in like within an hour, and
nobody was prepared to like, nobody was prepared. Did you
watch the interview? I didn't even watch it because I
was I was just trying to read it. You know,
I wanted to read the whole article just to hear
the backstory because I was thinking, like, this guy kind
of got like the interview of a lifetime to I mean, like,
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how often do people really admit certain huge things like
that on air like that?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, yeah, so I guess over the phone, they asked
if he had involvement in the death, and he said,
I plead the fifth and that that's when they were
able to convince him to come in within an hour.
So yeah, like you're saying, they were absolutely not prepared
for what was about to happen. So this journalist sits
down with him and is asking him questions and he's
just saying, well, I sent you a statement, and he's saying, well,
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you know, you basically said it in the statement, so
just say it now. And after eight minutes, the journalist
is finally just like, how'd you do it? Did you
do so and so? Did you suffocate And when he
said did you suffocate them, he shook his head and
was like, yeah, oh my god, it was nuts. So
this this reminded me of when Laura Engle was on
and she was saying she interviewed that killer. Oh, how
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terrifying what you must be sitting in your seat as
a journalist, like, holy shit, this person is but like
what's going on in the background, or people are like, yeah,
I guess we should probably call the police right now.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
And because he got arrested right after the interviews, so
that's so some did.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, I'm assuming somebody in the well. I think they
said that when he got there they had to undercover
cup and regular clothes in the lobby, but they were
fully prepared for what happened, and when he was leaving
the studio he ended up getting arrested in the CBS
parking lot.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Amazing, but it's kind of unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But he was saying that it was a mercy killing
because they were getting old and frail.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I don't think that was Listen, Like, there's a part
of me that understands that to a certain extent, because
sometimes when you see old people that have like Alzheimer's
and they're completely out of their mind and they're just
like doing these awful things to themselves and they're just
they seem like they're really suffering, but especially with Alzheimer's,
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like sometimes their bodies are completely intact right, and they're
going to live a long time, but their their brain
is that I always tell Gabe, like, yo, if I
ever get like that, like police take me out, like
I just don't. And he's like, yeah, Nicole, I'm just
gonna shoot you or whatever like U. But but seriously,
like I don't want to live like that, right. But
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the thing is with this particular case, his parents didn't
seem like they had any kind of a terminal thing
like whatsoever. They weren't suffering with like cancer or it
was like the mom fell and ber hip and broker
hip and the dad had to have surgery for cataracts
and wasn't able to drive anymore. Like they seemed like
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they were perfectly healthy people, Like yeah, they were going
a little downhill and everything, but like, I don't know.
It's if they went to do like a physician, is
this in suicide, they probably would have been like, you
don't really qualify for like a terminal illness because you
can't drive anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
So my questions is that this happened eight years ago
when he killed them. So does social Security not have
any responsibility to make sure.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Now this people happened all the time. It really does that's.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
So ridiculous when it's either like you need to require
an in person visit after like every not every year,
but like every two three years, you know, something more
than eight years.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
We talk about these cases all the time. I feel
like this is a really long time.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I feel like they're and like, I'm not one hundred
percent sure about this. So I don't want to speak
of this because I don't work at a funeral home.
But since all deaths go through a funeral home, whether
it's cremation or burial, for the most part, most mostly
all of them do, with the exception of like getting
donated to science or whatever. At some point they all
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these people get a death certificate at least, right, there
should be a way that the death certificate like automatically
goes to the state and tells them that that person's dead,
because I feel like that would just douse a lot
of this.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
But I think a lot of these cases that people
aren't going through funeral homes.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, and I understand because in theory they don't. The
funeral home doesn't know that they died.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So even think about it, like when we were getting
those stimulus checks, A couple of years ago. Ricky's stepmom's
mother died in I think twenty eighteen, and she got
a stimulus check for her and sent it back and
was like, my mom died years ago, Why am I
getting this for her?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah? And you hear that too that you hear like
people are getting ballots and stuff for people who are
who have died. It's just there has to be a way.
I don't really know how they would do that. And God,
there's probably so much fraud that they don't even ever
catch because if there's no way to tell that someone died,
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how if you're not burying them or doing a traditional thing, like,
how would anybody ever really know?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, remember a couple of weeks ago, I told you
my mailman knocked on the door and said, I have
this certified. It looked like a check for the woman
that used to live in my house, but she died
I believe ten years ago, And I was like, she's dead.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I don't I wouldn't put that back past the people
that lived in your house previously. Well that's what I probably, like,
go into your house when you're not home and picking
up mail and stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Well, I told him, I'm like, because he was like,
do you think it's just something for the kids, And
I said, I don't know, because I've lived here for
almost five years and I've never gotten anything like this
for her. And I believe she died five years before
we moved in the house, So I don't know what
that was about.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
But I do think a lot of people are doing it. Yeah,
I just wouldn't. I mean, I feel like eventually you
get caught, and it's just like, why would you even
want to risk havin to pay back money like that?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's so stupid, You're gonna get caught.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I always think that way too when people do tax
fraud and stuff, because you can get not caught doing
things or whatever. But when you're talking about the government
getting money or giving money to someone, it's like they
have the biggest things invested in making sure that that
does not happen, Oh for sure, and they will use
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all of the recent sources and figure it out, even
if it's in ten years from now. And why would
you ever want to have to owe back money like that,
because especially like this guy. I mean, this guy's got
bigger problems, I guess because he actually killed them, But
just doing the Social Security fraud in general is just
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And then you go on television and admit it.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, well, clearly the guy's off. Okay, do you.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Think he looked a little bit like Ben Franklin because
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Something in his face historical and there's more to this
story than just this. He's really a ghost, actually, I
mean I wouldn't be surprised. All right, let's talk about
this new evidence showing the dangers of doom scrolling. All right,
So this is this is a super interesting article that
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really goes through a person that was teaching psychology in
a university and just how she started noticing that this
was becoming a thing. I guess she said that it
would start with Columbine and just people's exposure to these
really horrible things that are happening. And of course Columbine
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was pre Internet or right right when?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well, and I really expected but it was pre social media, Yeah,
but it was.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
It was pre Google. I feel like, yeah, but what
year was it. I'm just trying to find nine, nineteen
ninety nine, so I don't know that. I don't know
that I even had used Google yet by that time
I was in college and things like that. But I
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mean at that time, like I was still having to
go to college and sign up on a piece of paper.
I mean, it was new. The internet was not definitely
not what it is today, no apps on smartphones and
anything like that. But they said that that was really
that really started it. And then of course the September
eleventh attacks, again there wasn't a ton of internet, at
(43:07):
least what we know of it today, and but that's
when the whole twenty four news twenty four hour news
cycle started and just repeatedly seeing these things. And then
she goes on to say that one of the biggest
changing things, which I never really thought about before, was
the Boston marathon bombings, and then how you were actually
seeing like blown off body parts and stuff just really
(43:31):
grewsome things that we don't really ever had not seen
like that in mass like that, right. I mean, people
obviously in Barbara Butcher's profession or my profession see stuff
like that, but that's not just common for regular everyday
people to see. So in this article, she's saying that
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that you get into these cycles of this body stress response,
which when you when you see it in real life
or if you see it on the screen, get this
fight or flight response that releases cortisol and adrenaline, and
then when these threats go away, your body returns to
the baseline. But she's saying that the repeated exposure can
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start disrupting not only your response to stress, but also
your reward system, and it could cause you to be
hopeless anxious. And some of the studies that they've done
now on this are really really crazy that show that
people who watch news cycles for six hours a day
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with dis just repeated trauma of let's I mean, listen,
like it's happened so much in the past couple of
weeks between seeing the Charlie Kirk shooting on going around
social media and the woman who was stabbed on the
train just in that week alone. If you're watching the
news like that for multiple hours a day, they actually
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think that you have more p probability than a person
that was actually at the event, which is crazy because
they said that that happened with the Boston Marathon bombing,
that people that were really emotionally invested in it and
looking it up every day and seeing all these videos
have more trauma than people that actually were there and
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experienced it.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, think about if you were there, for example, and
you saw some stuff. You're seeing it in person, so
you're most likely not going to.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Go back and revisit the footage, right, Yeah, it's like
if one and done.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, but if you're removed from it and then you
just keep looking at it over and over and over again.
I totally can see this happening. I even notice on
days when I'm just scrolling on TikTok or Instagram all night,
how miserable I am the next day and how it
affects my mood and stuff, because you're just it's not
even just the news. You're seeing people live in nicer
houses than you, You're seeing people who you think are
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prettier than you.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
It's everything.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
It just puts you in a terrible mindset. I think
everybody needs to watch that Mountain movie on HBO. It
really gives you a good fictional glimpse into how dangerous
seeing things like this are.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
So they call this doomsday scrolling, Like I'm reading this
article and I'm like, this is ruining my life because
this I feel like I do it. I'm one hundred
percent I do because I'm well, I'm in a weird
situation because my job is I write and educate about
these things. So but like the Charlie Kirk video, for example,
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I've watched it hundreds of times frame by frame, like
because I'm trying to figure out and talk about what
happened and everything. But I could see and not only that,
just like all of my past work experience of seeing
stuff like, I could see that it definitely takes an
effect on people. And then the article is saying, like,
you start living your life being scared that stuff's going
(46:53):
to happen, so obviously, like don't you feel like a
lot of people do that though, just hearing all these
news stories all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well yeah, And I mean, I guess the obvious advice
they're giving in this article is not to be on
your phone all day and to give your brain the break.
But it's just not the way we live anymore.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, And I think for most people though, that they
really they don't sit on it as much. I mean,
the regular people that aren't in this kind of a
field that we're in right now, look at these stories
for this many hours a day. Yeah, I mean, because
that's like, really, that's really sad actually to think about
that because I feel like sometimes part of the job
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that I don't like is that I just feel as
if I can't really turn it off because I'm trying
to constantly like learn about all the stuff that's going
on all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I would argue that boomers are the worst generation with
this because they have phones and they're used to watching
the news, so they have both going at the same time.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Because I can name ten people.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Off the top of my head in this age bracket
that are just constantly living in its fear. Did you
see this on the news? Did you see this on
the news? It's like, you can't just watch the news
all the time, you have to watch something else. Everybody
makes fun of me for reading my shitty romance books
and watching Real Housewives, But I read horrible things all
day to provide entertainment.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
To you people, So I need a break at the
end of the day. Those books are really bad. They're
Homemark movie.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
That's not a Hallmark movie. That's like some kind of
weirdst of all, I don't read romanticy, so relax. I
read like dumb other contemporary.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That was not that. That was not the impression I
got when I went to that bookstore. Did you see
me shopping on that side of the store.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
I don't think so. All right, let's move on to
questions of the Week. Every Friday that mother knows that
Instagram account or on the YouTube channel, you guys can
ask us whatever questions you want. One, why does it
hurt to break a bone? I thought they didn't have nerves.
Bones have nerves. They're just on the outside of the bone.
So there's something there's a thin membrane on the outside
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of the bones called the periostium, which has a ton
of nerves. So when the bone breaks, that causes pain.
And then you also have if you have a compound fracture,
for example, where the bone breaks in pieces and it
could stab into your muscles and your tendons, you could
also get pain from that, and then you get swelling
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and inflammation and that can compress nerves, which also causes pain.
So yeah, they have nerves, all right too. Have you
seen any extra weird ectopic pregnancies this person saying they
just had a patient with one in each fallopian tube.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Ooh, that's interesting. Yeah, I've seen a lot just in
surgical pathology. I mean, I haven't seen any real interesting
ones in real life in surgical pathology, just the old
bread and butter one in a philopian tube. But we
do have some really awesome cases in the gross room.
We have one called you Can't Judge a Book by
(50:00):
Its Cover, and that's a woman that had an abdominal pregnancy,
which is super super rare. And then we have another
one called two for One that there is actually a
twin pregnancy inside of a Filippian tube and it's really
cool to look at. So check those out.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I think question was submitted by one of our YouTube
Live regulars, and I don't want to say her name
out here, just in case she could get in trouble
with her work for exposing that information. But we could
ask her probably, so.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I'm sure that's fine because like, that's not that would
not fall under a hip of violation by any means.
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Rules were with Diner's offices. So all right, three, how
long did it take for you to perfect your bun?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh? I don't really know. I was thinking about that
when I saw this question. I don't know. I don't
even really know when I started. I guess I started
wearing it when the kids were little, right, or maybe
when I was pregnant or something with them.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
But when you were have luber, you like you got
the most outrageous haircut ever.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, that was not my That was not my fault.
That was crazy. That was not my fault. Because I
used to shave the side of my hair my hair,
and then some person like botched my hair so bad
and cut it like all the way back across. Did
you you don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
I just remember coming in the house one day and
was like, I don't know if it's pregnancy hormones, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Know what she's thinking. No, I had to hair cut.
I had to cut off all my hair. It was terrible.
I had the little corner above my ear shaved, that
was it, and this lady decided to put all these
crazy layers like behind it, like halfway to my hair.
So my hair literally looked like it was long on
one side and the other side looked like an eighties
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layered haircut. It was the weirdest thing. Ever. There was
nothing I could do to fix it. So then I
was just like, I have to cut all my hair off.
There was That was the only thing that I could
do to fix it. But then I so then I
cut all my hair off, like right before I had
Luber and then I really haven't caught it much since.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I feel like your bun. I'm trying to just think
because didn't you did? Yeah, you had the shave side
part for a while after, because Lillian basically had the
same haircut as you for a while. That's also your
em O given your kid. Me and her had the
same haircut, like that was little for years. I feel
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like the bun started coming up around what like twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
No, I have a picture wearing the bun with Lillian
when she's one years old. Are you sure? Yes, you
took the picture. We were at some pumpkin farm or something. Oh,
you're right.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Okay, So you had it before and then you got
the bots haircut and then you went back yeah when
your hair grew back. Okay, yeah, you're right. Oh yeah,
I remember that photo shootcause remember they wanted me to
pay like one hundred and fifty dollars because I had
my regular camera and like, yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah that we just did it really fast. Yeah that
was dumb. Okay, guys.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
On Friday, we are gonna be at the Wildlife CSI
at Lake Tobias Wildlife Park and then the following weekend
we are going to be sponsoring the golf carts at
the Keeping Hope a Live Golf Classic, and the weekend
after that we will be at Darkside, New Jersey and Edison.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
I'm looking forward to that. I'm gonna go shopping for
my house.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
We should have the schedule for that coming out, hopefully
in the next week or two too, so we can
give some more instructions. But I think if you buy
the ticket early, you get some money off, so look
into that because it's pretty affordable to go to in general,
but I think you get an extra five bucks off
if you get in.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, and then you could get really too my book too,
and I'll sign your book if you get one.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
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So yeah, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.
As my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have
a master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
have an update on a college cheerleader who killed her
newborn infant. We're going to talk about a couple of
horrific shootings that happened this weekend, including one at a
Mormon church and the other at a boat bar. Then
we'll discuss teenagers getting cosmetic surgery, a murderer who confessed
to his crimes live in a TV interview, and how
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our brains are affected by seeing horrible content on social
media all day. Then we'll finish up with your questions.
All that and more. On today's episode, Let's get started
with Lincoln Snelling the update with her.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, so updates with the Kentucky cheerleader who was arrested
after her newborn was found dead in a trash bag
in her bedroom closet. So when we first started covering this,
I feel like our number one questions were like, what
what even happened? How did she hide this pregnancy? Who
called the police? Because that wasn't clear. So now we're
starting to get some more info on that. So the
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story that's coming out now is that she gave birth
in the middle of the night, was awake for about
thirty minutes after giving birth, and then she's claiming she
passed out on top of the baby and when she
woke up, the baby was turning purple and blue. So
then she swaddled him and laid next to him for
a while to comfort herself. And then after that she
told her roommates that she had passed out because she
hadn't eaten. She went to McDonald's and then she went
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to a health clinic. She never ended up going inside,
but while she was gone, the roommates were suspicious because
they heard all these noises in the middle of the night,
and then that's when they found the baby.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, so, my I just saw a new picture that's
floating around of her from July, which was what like
a month before this or this was when did this happen?
Late August? Okay, so yeah, so it was like a
month before this happened, right, And she looks pregnant to me.
If I saw her just and I didn't know her,
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I'd be like, Oh, that girl's pregnant because she's wearing
I mean, the girl's wearing a t shirt, But she
just has a certain look that pregnant people get, and like,
trust me, I know just that people in general gain
weight in different ways and everything like that. So you
can't just assume that someone's pregnant, because sometimes people just
gain weight in their belly. Right. But the thing is
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in this particular situation is that these roommates have lived
with her for some time and they know what her
body used to look like and now what it looks
like being whatever she was nine or eight or nine
months pregnant. Right, So, even though Laken had never actually
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admitted to being pregnant, there's no way in the back
of everyone's mind that knew her that people weren't like
what's going on here. Especially it's not like it was
the winner and she was wearing big hoodies and was
able to hide it a little bit. More. It's like
the summer and she's wearing T shirts and they're to
anybody looking, they would notice. So her friends probably were
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all whispering behind her back, like what's going on here?
Why does she look like this? And so as soon
as all this this unusual stuff started happening, like them
hearing weird noises at night, followed by her being like, oh,
I just stinted, I have to go get treatment at
the health center. I think that they were like, let's
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go creep in her room and see what's going on here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I said this at Crime Come Too when we originally
covered the story, that I have the type of belly
that if I'm bloated in a specific way, I could
look four.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
To five months pregnant.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Right. So I never want to ever criticize people the
way they look. And there is a world in which
she could have just her roommates or her friends or
her teammates might have just thought, maybe she's gained weight,
and maybe that's just the way it's sticking out. But
you never want to be that person that's you know,
we all know somebody or we've all done it where
you've ask somebody when they're due and they're not pregnant, right,
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And it's the worst thing ever, And nobody should ever
ask a pregnant person unless they're forthcoming about it themselves.
But I do think it's one of those things where
the pictures we've seen of her in the past, she's
extremely thin. She's always wearing crop tops with her flat
belly showing, so to me, if she's eight or nine
months pregnant, it would be way more obvious than the
normal person that might just have the same kind of
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stomach I do, where I could look pregnant.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's what I say. Like, I'm I'm a person too
that gains weight in my belly all the time. It's
like between my butt to my belly button is like
where I gain most of my weight. Right, But I never,
even when I have been at my very very skinniest,
I've never ever had a flat belly ever me neither.
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I feel like it's like a certain body type and
she had a very athletic build prior to this. But
regardless of that, Like, I just think that they all
had in the back of their mind that something was
up because it Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But if somebody's not saying it out loud and being
forthcoming about it, you can even call them out and say,
we think you're pregnant. But what if she's you know,
you can't and it's made up. You don't have to
tell people. I mean, it's just whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
But like in this particular situation, I just feel like
the roommates, Like imagine just being at college and living
with your friends and experiencing this, like one of the
roommates found the dead baby in the bag.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, I mean that's horrific in itself. And then they're
saying a search of her phone revealed deleted pregnancy searches,
labor photos, and evidence of a concealed pregnancy, So clearly,
two investigators would appear she was fully aware of what
was going on. So that's what I had questions about,
because the searches seemed like, obviously, if you're pregnant, even
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if you're pregnant and planning on having pregnancy, people search
a lot of different questions.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's like totally normal. Oh Yet I don't think the
searches are abnormal. I think it's weird that they said
that there were pictures of labor, Like was she searching
for pictures of people in labor or was she taking
pictures of herself in labor?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I thought a couple of weeks ago they had said
there was pictures of her own labor on there. But
I don't really understand what happened. I don't understand the
psyche behind her at all in this situation. I mean,
she could have totally given birth and given the shot,
you know, like we always started talking about firehouses have
that kind of like don't ask, don't tell her whatever program.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well the parent, did you know that in this story
that there was one within ten minutes of where she
had this baby. Well I didn't know that. Yeah, that's
something that came out maybe a week or two ago,
was that they're called like safe haven box. It's a
box outside of a fire station that you could stick
a newborn infant in and you won't get in any trouble.
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There's like no questions, don't ask, don't tell, kind of
like thing, which is which is really awesome because she
could have just but I don't think that many people
know about that. And I'm telling you, like, there's something
that in her mind she wasn't really convinced that this
was happening.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Well, she it the way I see it. She's pleaded,
not guilty so far, so I don't think she thinks
she did anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I remember the.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Autopsy was inconclusive how the baby died, So would they
be able to go back and prove her theory or
whatever she said that she passed out on the baby.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They said that the autopsy was inconclusive, but they all
said they also said that it's still pending, so that
means that I don't know exactly what they're looking for.
That's this long. I mean that's a month ago, right,
but they're waiting for additional tests to confirm and probably investigation.
But she literally said that the baby was alive and
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was whimper like making a whimpering noise, So she kind
of is saying that the baby was alive it wasn't
a stillborn, which well, yeah, and like listen, like they
still really need to conclude that with the autopsy if possible,
because that's a huge difference between how she's going to
get in trouble for this, because if she just had
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a stillborn and just concealed it, she's she's not gonna
get in any I mean, she might get in trouble
for concealing the death, but I don't even think that
she would. It's like a huge difference in charges besides murder,
you know, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Though. Let's say she did give birth and she genuinely
passed out on the baby and the baby died by accident.
She still hid evidence and put the child in a
trash bag, So like she needs to get she still
committed some form of a crime.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, and I mean that and that could just even
be if that really I just I don't know, Like,
come on, I just don't even buy it. But let's
say in theory that that happened, because I mean, anybody
who's given birth you know that that's a possibility and
you have blood loss and things like that. But the
fact that she passed out like that and just so
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happened to fall on top of the baby, it's just
like it's still going to be negligence for her not
doing the right thing right, like well exactly. So there's
just what's interesting too, is that she was released on
bond to her parents, and like, what are her parents
think about this? They killed she killed their grandchild.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, I'm sure they're not okay with it if they're
good people, because nobody could understand being in this predicament.
I mean, you're hiding a pregnancy. In general, there's evidence
we know that she was aware of it. Even if
she was in denial, she still just did the wrong thing.
Even if she didn't want the kid. There's a million
things she could have done without the kid dying unless
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it was genuinely an accident.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Listen, Like you could say, if let's say, for example,
that that happened and she passed out, if she like
woke up right away and called naima Wan and was
freaking out like that would actually like you might believe
that a little tiny bit, but the fact that she
wrapped it up and put it in a trash bag, like,
I'm sorry, but when you have a baby, the last
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thing that you want to think about is putting them
in a trash bag, even if you know they're dead
or it's just completely disrespectful and and also like metaphoric
of putting your child in a trash bag listen. And
then I know, but then after that she went to
McDonald's and she told her friends that she fainted, like
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she didn't say anything about it. So to me, it's
like if it was an accident, like it's just bullshit.
I mean, of course she's going to deny it because
she's in ah ton of trouble right now.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Well, even if it was an accident, she's not going
to be forthcoming with this personality that she just killed
a child.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I know exactly. So it's just like whatever, okay, over
the week's wait, so is that real quick is that
going that's gonna go to court and stuff like. That's
something we're gonna be able to keep an eye on
and watch.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, they're saying there's enough evidence to present it to
a grand jury.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Okay, that I mean, that'll be really interesting to watch.
I'm curious how that's gonna go down, So we'll keep
you guys up to date on that.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean, I would say she's pleaded not guilty right now,
but at this point, which I could be wrong, because
I feel like I was so wrong about the Idaho case.
I feel like there's so much evidence that it's not
gonna be good for her.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So she should take a deal.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, but I would be interested to see this pan
out at trial.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, totally. Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Over the weekend in Michigan, a man drove his truck
into an LDS church before getting out, shooting at hundreds
of congregants and setting the building on fire.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, man, this is this has been like just a
rough couple of weeks for sure, with certain news stories.
And now I guess this guy was in his forties
and he just didn't like Mormon people. There's lots of
documentation of him. I guess now when they're interviewing different
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people saying that it seems like he was in a
relationship with someone that was Mormon, maybe over ten years
ago and just kind of has this built up resentment
towards it for whatever reason. And just even recently, there
was this person that was running was running as a politician,
that had a conversation with him and he was making
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a lot of comments that he didn't believe in the
religion and that he thought that they weren't Christian and
actually said the words he thought that they were anti
christ which also as soon as this person that was
running politicians saw him said that saw that the person
that carried this out said that he knew right away
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that it was that guy because it was just such
specific rhetoric.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, I do think it's interesting. I mean,
they have a very controversial background of how that religion
started in everything, but you could argue that every single
religion does. But it is disturbing to think that somebody
would target a group like this.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I mean, I know, I went on a.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Rant last week how I was really pissed at the
Catholic Church for banning that surrogate teacher, Right, but I
think you know, when you go to a place, if
people find peace within a church and they're there doing
worship and just trying to be themselves and you know,
partake in their faith, and then this person just comes
in and attacks you when you're just innocently trying to
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be at church.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
That's horrific. Yeah, and it just the whole thing went
down so crazy, and it just so happens that there
were a lot of resident physicians that were just at
church so happened to be there. So not only were
they victims, but they were also acting as first responders
in the case. I mean, that's a lot of people
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to get shot, and time is of the essence that situation.
But then on top of that, he set the building
on fire too, so people not only died of gunshot wounds,
but also died in the fire. I don't know if
it was they were shot and they were not able
to get out of the building in time, or if
they just got caught in the flames and weren't able
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to exit the building.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But yeah, because it's really terrible, they said. One victim
died at the scene, another died at the hospital, and
two more were found at the scene due to the
fire so as of when we're recording, four people are dead,
eight are injured. The eight people that are injured range
in age from six to seventy six years old. Two
of them are in critical condition. It's horrible to see.
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And so this guy, it's like, already traumatic. You have
a car drive through a building, then he gets out,
then he starts shooting, then he sets the building on fire.
Where is this going to end? These people must have
been terrified.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So this guy is a former marine, and there's there
actually might be a connection with the next case that
we're going to talk about too. But right before, a
couple of days before he died, his mom had put
this cryptic post up on Facebook, which they don't know
who exactly she was talking about, but saying saying something
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that someone in her life was refusing to take accountability
and always twist everything, which is interesting if that was,
if that was geared towards him or not, we don't
really know any details. But getting back to his service,
he's so he's a forty year old guy that served
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and went away to Iraq, right, And the interesting thing
is is that this other guy in this next story
that we're going to talk about also served They both
served at Camp La June. They were both deployed at
some point and there was like an overlap in their
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time at Camp La June. And they're both around the
same age, like there'd be a connection. I don't think
that they've found one. It's just really kind of interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Well, isn't there all that controversy with all those there's
all those commercials about that camp, right?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, but that was something about one of our friends
actually was involved with that because he got some kind
of tumor. I think it was because of contaminated water
or something there. Well, like a long time, like a
while ago.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Well, I think it was bad because I feel like
it was background. How old is that guy that you know?
Because I feel like Ricky was he's like sixty, Okay.
I feel like Ricky was saying he was wondering if
his dad was involved because his dad had gone there
when he went to Vietnam. But maybe that was too
far back. So yeah, this next incident was just twelve
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hours before in North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
This is insane.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
So this guy who's also a forty year old ex marine,
he pulls up on a boat to a boat bar
and just opens fire on people eating on the deck.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't. Yeah, And like, what was that one about?
I actually think that I went to this place. Oh really, Yeah,
because Gabe and I went to this Oak Island for
our anniversary one year. Remember we stayed at like that
beach house. We drove down there for a couple of days.
Oh yeah, and we went to a bar that was
there on Cape Fear on the water that was right
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around that area. So I don't it just looks kind
of familiar to me. It's just you know, you go
to those places all the time when you're on vacations
like that. And what was the reason was? Did you
cause I couldn't really find anything like did he go
there for someone specific or was it just completely random?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Like what was the way I see it now is
it was completely random and they're looking for a motive.
But unlike the last case. In the last case, I
don't think we mentioned that the attacker ended up getting
killed in the police shootout, so they need to search
a little harder for motive, whereas they have this guy.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, that's and I mean that's good sometimes because I
guess trying to get to the bottom of why these
things happen the best thing is is to be able
to talk to these people and see, now this guy
had a little bit of a different history because his
wife was interviewed that they had been divorced already for
ten years and she was like he was even then,
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he was like always crying for help and having serious
mental health issues and apparently wasn't getting treated properly.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, you know, with this case, I just think the
details between the two cases, especially them only being twelve
hours apart, are so eerie, both of them being forty
year old marine vit both cases. So in this case,
three people were killed, eight people were injured. That's almost
identical to the last case where four people were killed,
eight people were injured. And you know, you just see
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this history of the potential PTSD from serving in the military,
or not military but the Marines, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So yeah, I mean, and that's something then that I
wanted to bring up to is that that's especially for
people that get deployed to war and everything, that PTSD
is a huge known thing and it could just cause
people to have disturbing memories, thoughts, images of stressful experiences
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that they had, bad dreams.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Just.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Flashbacks, they'll say, and this has been known to cause
extreme agitation in people. They could have delusions and just like,
I mean, that could be and I'm not even because
really at autopsy that's not something, especially the one that
got killed in Minnesota, because they'll do an autopsy on
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that guy too. If for whatever reason at war he
had some kind of a traumatic brain injury, which is
completely possible, then you would see you could see signs
of that at autopsy. Also, if he had a history
of it, you know, he could have like CTE or
something like that. That would explain maybe why he decided
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or was increasingly having just these delusions and thoughts like this.
And the other guy who's still alive, I guess they
could do more psychological testing to see if he does
indeed have PTSD and was being treated properly or what
caused it. But it's just scary to I mean, I mean,
we talk about this all the time. We actually didn't
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even bring that up in this episode today, but there
was an update with that shooting at the NFL building
in Manhattan a couple of months ago that that guy
did indeed have early signs of ct in his brain.
I think he wrote that in his letter though, right
when no, he we already talked about that. But like,
it's just scary to think about people that are walking
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around that are having this condition in their brain that's
really not of their own doing, and then it's taking
over and then doing something terrible like this.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, I think in this case too, it's similar to
the last guy, where he clearly, based on what the
wife said, had a history of issues going on, and
the police were also very aware of him because they
said that this guy had filed several lawsuits against the
town and the police department in the past couple of
years with all these conspiracy theories that were never proven.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
The lawsuits actually sound so crazy that I can't even
believe a lawyer would try to bring them forth. Please,
it's there are types of but it doesn't. It literally
sounds like a person that's out of their mind talking
about people that they're trying to see somebody for something
that is an untrue story. Like it's just crazy, Yeah,
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but it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
But to think that you're just on vacation, hanging out
at a bar on a Saturday night and this happens
is horrific. And I definitely don't think anybody suspected somebody
who was going to pull up on a boat and
execute something like this.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, And I mean that's that's a lot of the
times when things like this happen. You always talk about
like soft targets. That's exactly right what you said. They
want to get people when they would least expect it.
Because I don't know about you, but every single time
we go in a restaurant now, it's like Gabe wants
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to sit in a certain seat so we could see
the front door, and like, this is where we're gonna
leave if there's a problem. Like it's so sad that
you have to think that way, but that's the way
it is now. Same at the stadiums and things like that.
And then it's like you're expecting this to happen. Like
if you said to someone as a shooter gonna come
in the restaurant, you would expect them to come in
the front door. You wouldn't expect them to be coming
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from behind the kitchen, you know. Like it's just and
it throws people off, and that's how they get more bodies. No, totally,
and it's it's a shame too at church, like we've
had at least two church shootings this year, if not more.
I mean we had two major ones at least within
the past couple of months. I think it's I think
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that all churches need to be like having some kind
of a plan of action as to But every single
time we see one of these things happen, it's like
something new gets introduced that us regular people are like,
I never thought that that would happen. Like, Okay, the
guy comes in and shoots up at church. Okay, that's happened,
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but ohnally sets it on fire. So when there's all
the chaos is happening, now you have to deal with
escaping a burning building, which churches are infamously like the
worst buildings to burn down because they have so much
room in the roof and a pitched roof like that,
they're like the worst fires. Gabe always says that. So
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you know, there's always like another thing thrown into the mix.
This is now, Oh there's a shooting at a restaurant.
Oh well, this time the guy's coming up on a boat.
Like right, it's just well, how would you even prevent that?
You know, It's what I'm saying at most of it,
But it's just like they like, these people that want
to that that are intent on hurting people just try
to throw other things in the mix to throw people off,
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Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, I guess I'll start from the beginning, just so
everybody could really understand. I mean, the story in general
is really messed up, but when you learn about what
happened from start to finish, it's completely unforgivable.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
This happened in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So this dad gets a call from his fourteen year
old daughter's mother saying they tested positive for COVID and
we're going to quarantine in a cabin with no cell service.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So he was worried. We didn't think too much of it.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
A week later, the fourteen year old ends up dying,
and the dad doesn't find out until her funeral that
she didn't die from COVID, but died from a botched
cosmetic surgery where she got a breast augmentation from the
mother's new boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
This is the thing, because plastic surgeons don't always have
set rules for Okay, you're this age and you can't
get this because a lot of times there's a crossover
with plastic surgery that it's sometimes like, let's say, for example,
if a child has to get part of their ear
caught off for cancer or something like that, or just
(26:23):
like a reconstructive surgery would be considered a plastic surgery,
and they do that sometimes for children and just other
things like let's say a kid, a girl goes through
puberty early and gets really big breast and wants to
get a breast reduction, Like oftentimes they'll do that way
before eighteen years old, just because it's physically causing problems
(26:45):
to her skeleton, right the weight the excess weight of
the breast tissue. So there's there's not like a hardcore
line of like we don't do these surgeries under this
age or whatever. But typically when they do a plastic
surgery on a child, you have to have the consent
from both of the parents, and I guess in this
case they only got the concept from the mother, but
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I'm sure there was a lot of things skipped because
it was her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Well you know what, too is the most messed up
part of this is at her funeral, a couple people
had made comments to the dead that her boobs looked
so much larger, and he asked the mom and she
totally blew him off and denied it. So then he
was able to convince the mother to leave the room
so he could grieve in private with his other family members.
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And when they got the mother out of the room,
his mother, sister and sister in law looked under her
shirt and saw the scars. They took pictures of the
scars and the breast implants. And she's fourteen years old,
which is just so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous that a mom.
This is another thing too, And I read on other
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articles that she was also having a butt lift. Okay, so,
so which would be like I would assume would be
like a BBL procedure, right, which is known to be
the most deadly cosmetic surgery procedure. It just it's the
when you think about people dying during plastic surgery, it's
(28:17):
because of bbl's right. So, which is likely because I
actually thought that it was unusual that she died having
her boobs done because breast surgery is done so frequently,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Not not that it can't happen. It would most likely
be because of an anesthesia issue. But just like it's
just highly unlikely for a person to die during a
breast implant surgery because it's very superficial like you just
it's not invasive. You're on top of the chest cavity,
whereas like a BBL is using a liposuction tool in
(28:53):
very dangerous areas which could cause a fat embolism or
pulmonary embolism in somebody. It's just so such a riskier procedure.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But if it was being done illegally, did they have
all the safety in place?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, I mean that's completely also a possibility. But the guy,
the guy was a doctor, so but who knows?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, but was he doing it under the radar because
they didn't have the proper consent as well?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I'm asking who knows what was happening there?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Like, so, it says she went into cardio respiratory arrest
and had severe brain swelling that led doctors to induce
a coma and put her on a ventilator. And then
after she was on the ventilator, that is when the
mom alerted the dad that she was about to die.
And then I was like, oh, it's she's having bad COVID.
I was interested in this too because the death certificate
(29:42):
indicated that her cause of death was cerebral edema resulting
from a respiratory illness, So was that just negligence on
behalf of the hospital or what because she didn't end
up getting an autopsy.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well she was, she was while she was alive for
seven days before she died, so I don't know exactly
what happened, like what the event was that put her
in the hospital on a ventilator. She probably had a pulmentent.
Like I said, she could have had a fat embolism
or a pulmonary embolism, and then she was on the machine,
so she could have gotten a respiratory infection due to
(30:19):
being on the ventilator. But it's more than likely just
damage that was done from the initial surgery that you know,
she was having complications from that that damaged her lungs
and she didn't have an autopsy. But the father wants
her to have an autopsy well now after he knows
(30:39):
that she had the test implants. So I mean, at
this point they're going to be they can do an autopsy,
but now she's in bombs so there's likely going to
be some artifact because of that. But really at this point,
I don't really I don't really know if it's necessary
because like she didn't she died as a result of
(31:03):
having complications from the plastic surgery. So if he like,
they're not really going to be able to figure out
exactly maybe the pivotal thing that happened because they have
so much documentation from the hospital over the past seven days.
But if he's planning on I guess bringing charges and
having her the mother, get in trouble, because the mother
(31:25):
should get in trouble technically, but I don't know if
the mom would actually get in trouble or I mean,
the doctor would definitely get in trouble because they are
supposed to have signed consent from both parents apparently in
this case, so her doing it is like one thing,
but like they're supposed to be a person that stops
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that from happening. That didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
But I guess what I'm just not understanding is like
I understand they're saying she died from the respiratory illness, right,
but like when she when she got to that point,
they weren't like, how did she get here? The mother
just said, oh, she had COVID and she's not breathing,
and they just accepted that. Who the hospital, Yeah, no,
the hospital would have known. Yeah, But they're saying on
(32:10):
the death certificate they filed.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It had nothing mentioning. Well, the death certificate isn't filled
out properly. It should say It could say that because
that's actually her cause of death. But then it could
say as a result of complications due to cosmetic surgery,
which is the autopsy would be. Listen, this is all
(32:33):
in Mexico, so I don't know how they do shit
there anyway. Right like this, I'm talking like if this
was done in America, and I don't know this. This
is something that you know, if this was in a
US hospital and this happened, that would be documented as
part of her treatment and it should be on the
death certificate. But we talk about all the time the
(32:54):
death certificates are never filled out properly. So and that technically,
like in America, that happened, that would be considered an
accidental death, and that's a reportable death, and that would
be a medical examiner's case. Now, the hospital might let
the or the medical examiner might let the hospital do
the autopsy, but the medical examiner is going to have
(33:14):
involvement because it would be considered an accidental death. I
don't know how they do things in Mexico. But okay, So,
which is part of the problem because right then and there,
like she that wouldn't even have went down like that
here kind of you know. Yeah, all right, this man
went on the news for a sit down interview and
(33:36):
admitted on TV to killing his parents and burying them
in the backyard. Yeah, I guess they the people were
onto him at first that he was doing something because
apparently the parents have been dead for a while and
he was collecting their benefits.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Well, it first started last Wednesday as an investigation because
there the police or investigators became aware that these social
Security checks we're getting cash. But the parents hadn't been
seen in a very long time, and according to neighbors,
they thought they had moved to Germany or something totally random.
So they go to the house and they end up
(34:12):
finding their bodies in the backyard. And then the very
next day their son calls CBS, like the local Albany
CBS and with this statement and go and they convince
him to come in for this interview.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
And while he goes in like within an hour, and
nobody was prepared to like, nobody was prepared. Did you
watch the interview? I didn't even watch it because I
was I was just trying to read it. You know,
I wanted to read the whole article just to hear
the backstory because I was thinking, like, this guy kind
of got like the interview of a lifetime to I mean, like,
(34:49):
how often do people really admit certain huge things like
that on air like that?
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, yeah, so I guess over the phone, they asked
if he had involvement in the death, and he said,
I plead the fifth and that that's when they were
able to convince him to come in within an hour.
So yeah, like you're saying, they were absolutely not prepared
for what was about to happen. So this journalist sits
down with him and is asking him questions and he's
just saying, well, I sent you a statement, and he's saying, well,
(35:15):
you know, you basically said it in the statement, so
just say it now. And after eight minutes, the journalist
is finally just like, how'd you do it? Did you
do so and so? Did you suffocate And when he
said did you suffocate them, he shook his head and
was like, yeah, oh my god, it was nuts. So
this this reminded me of when Laura Engle was on
and she was saying she interviewed that killer. Oh, how
(35:38):
terrifying what you must be sitting in your seat as
a journalist, like, holy shit, this person is but like
what's going on in the background, or people are like, yeah,
I guess we should probably call the police right now.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
And because he got arrested right after the interviews, so
that's so some did.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, I'm assuming somebody in the well. I think they
said that when he got there they had to undercover
cup and regular clothes in the lobby, but they were
fully prepared for what happened, and when he was leaving
the studio he ended up getting arrested in the CBS
parking lot.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Amazing, but it's kind of unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But he was saying that it was a mercy killing
because they were getting old and frail.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I don't think that was Listen, Like, there's a part
of me that understands that to a certain extent, because
sometimes when you see old people that have like Alzheimer's
and they're completely out of their mind and they're just
like doing these awful things to themselves and they're just
they seem like they're really suffering, but especially with Alzheimer's,
(36:39):
like sometimes their bodies are completely intact right, and they're
going to live a long time, but their their brain
is that I always tell Gabe, like, yo, if I
ever get like that, like police take me out, like
I just don't. And he's like, yeah, Nicole, I'm just
gonna shoot you or whatever like U. But but seriously,
like I don't want to live like that, right. But
(37:00):
the thing is with this particular case, his parents didn't
seem like they had any kind of a terminal thing
like whatsoever. They weren't suffering with like cancer or it
was like the mom fell and ber hip and broker
hip and the dad had to have surgery for cataracts
and wasn't able to drive anymore. Like they seemed like
(37:21):
they were perfectly healthy people, Like yeah, they were going
a little downhill and everything, but like, I don't know.
It's if they went to do like a physician, is
this in suicide, they probably would have been like, you
don't really qualify for like a terminal illness because you
can't drive anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
So my questions is that this happened eight years ago
when he killed them. So does social Security not have
any responsibility to make sure.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Now this people happened all the time. It really does that's.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
So ridiculous when it's either like you need to require
an in person visit after like every not every year,
but like every two three years, you know, something more
than eight years.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
We talk about these cases all the time. I feel
like this is a really long time.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
I feel like they're and like, I'm not one hundred
percent sure about this. So I don't want to speak
of this because I don't work at a funeral home.
But since all deaths go through a funeral home, whether
it's cremation or burial, for the most part, most mostly
all of them do, with the exception of like getting
donated to science or whatever. At some point they all
(38:28):
these people get a death certificate at least, right, there
should be a way that the death certificate like automatically
goes to the state and tells them that that person's dead,
because I feel like that would just douse a lot
of this.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
But I think a lot of these cases that people
aren't going through funeral homes.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, and I understand because in theory they don't. The
funeral home doesn't know that they died.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So even think about it, like when we were getting
those stimulus checks, A couple of years ago. Ricky's stepmom's
mother died in I think twenty eighteen, and she got
a stimulus check for her and sent it back and
was like, my mom died years ago, Why am I
getting this for her?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Yeah? And you hear that too that you hear like
people are getting ballots and stuff for people who are
who have died. It's just there has to be a way.
I don't really know how they would do that. And God,
there's probably so much fraud that they don't even ever
catch because if there's no way to tell that someone died,
(39:35):
how if you're not burying them or doing a traditional thing, like,
how would anybody ever really know?
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, remember a couple of weeks ago, I told you
my mailman knocked on the door and said, I have
this certified. It looked like a check for the woman
that used to live in my house, but she died
I believe ten years ago, And I was like, she's dead.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I don't I wouldn't put that back past the people
that lived in your house previously. Well that's what I probably, like,
go into your house when you're not home and picking
up mail and stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Well, I told him, I'm like, because he was like,
do you think it's just something for the kids, And
I said, I don't know, because I've lived here for
almost five years and I've never gotten anything like this
for her. And I believe she died five years before
we moved in the house, So I don't know what
that was about.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
But I do think a lot of people are doing it. Yeah,
I just wouldn't. I mean, I feel like eventually you
get caught, and it's just like, why would you even
want to risk havin to pay back money like that?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
It's so stupid, You're gonna get caught.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I always think that way too when people do tax
fraud and stuff, because you can get not caught doing
things or whatever. But when you're talking about the government
getting money or giving money to someone, it's like they
have the biggest things invested in making sure that that
does not happen, Oh for sure, and they will use
(40:59):
all of the recent sources and figure it out, even
if it's in ten years from now. And why would
you ever want to have to owe back money like that,
because especially like this guy. I mean, this guy's got
bigger problems, I guess because he actually killed them, But
just doing the Social Security fraud in general is just
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
And then you go on television and admit it.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, well, clearly the guy's off. Okay, do you.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Think he looked a little bit like Ben Franklin because
I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Something in his face historical and there's more to this
story than just this. He's really a ghost, actually, I
mean I wouldn't be surprised. All right, let's talk about
this new evidence showing the dangers of doom scrolling. All right,
So this is this is a super interesting article that
(41:52):
really goes through a person that was teaching psychology in
a university and just how she started noticing that this
was becoming a thing. I guess she said that it
would start with Columbine and just people's exposure to these
really horrible things that are happening. And of course Columbine
(42:13):
was pre Internet or right right when?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well, and I really expected but it was pre social media, Yeah,
but it was.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
It was pre Google. I feel like, yeah, but what
year was it. I'm just trying to find nine, nineteen
ninety nine, so I don't know that. I don't know
that I even had used Google yet by that time
I was in college and things like that. But I
(42:42):
mean at that time, like I was still having to
go to college and sign up on a piece of paper.
I mean, it was new. The internet was not definitely
not what it is today, no apps on smartphones and
anything like that. But they said that that was really
that really started it. And then of course the September
eleventh attacks, again there wasn't a ton of internet, at
(43:07):
least what we know of it today, and but that's
when the whole twenty four news twenty four hour news
cycle started and just repeatedly seeing these things. And then
she goes on to say that one of the biggest
changing things, which I never really thought about before, was
the Boston marathon bombings, and then how you were actually
seeing like blown off body parts and stuff just really
(43:31):
grewsome things that we don't really ever had not seen
like that in mass like that, right. I mean, people
obviously in Barbara Butcher's profession or my profession see stuff
like that, but that's not just common for regular everyday
people to see. So in this article, she's saying that
(43:51):
that you get into these cycles of this body stress response,
which when you when you see it in real life
or if you see it on the screen, get this
fight or flight response that releases cortisol and adrenaline, and
then when these threats go away, your body returns to
the baseline. But she's saying that the repeated exposure can
(44:12):
start disrupting not only your response to stress, but also
your reward system, and it could cause you to be
hopeless anxious. And some of the studies that they've done
now on this are really really crazy that show that
people who watch news cycles for six hours a day
(44:34):
with dis just repeated trauma of let's I mean, listen,
like it's happened so much in the past couple of
weeks between seeing the Charlie Kirk shooting on going around
social media and the woman who was stabbed on the
train just in that week alone. If you're watching the
news like that for multiple hours a day, they actually
(44:58):
think that you have more p probability than a person
that was actually at the event, which is crazy because
they said that that happened with the Boston Marathon bombing,
that people that were really emotionally invested in it and
looking it up every day and seeing all these videos
have more trauma than people that actually were there and
(45:20):
experienced it.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well, think about if you were there, for example, and
you saw some stuff. You're seeing it in person, so
you're most likely not going to.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Go back and revisit the footage, right, Yeah, it's like
if one and done.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, but if you're removed from it and then you
just keep looking at it over and over and over again.
I totally can see this happening. I even notice on
days when I'm just scrolling on TikTok or Instagram all night,
how miserable I am the next day and how it
affects my mood and stuff, because you're just it's not
even just the news. You're seeing people live in nicer
houses than you, You're seeing people who you think are
(45:53):
prettier than you.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
It's everything.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
It just puts you in a terrible mindset. I think
everybody needs to watch that Mountain movie on HBO. It
really gives you a good fictional glimpse into how dangerous
seeing things like this are.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
So they call this doomsday scrolling, Like I'm reading this
article and I'm like, this is ruining my life because
this I feel like I do it. I'm one hundred
percent I do because I'm well, I'm in a weird
situation because my job is I write and educate about
these things. So but like the Charlie Kirk video, for example,
(46:32):
I've watched it hundreds of times frame by frame, like
because I'm trying to figure out and talk about what
happened and everything. But I could see and not only that,
just like all of my past work experience of seeing
stuff like, I could see that it definitely takes an
effect on people. And then the article is saying, like,
you start living your life being scared that stuff's going
(46:53):
to happen, so obviously, like don't you feel like a
lot of people do that though, just hearing all these
news stories all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Well yeah, And I mean, I guess the obvious advice
they're giving in this article is not to be on
your phone all day and to give your brain the break.
But it's just not the way we live anymore.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, And I think for most people though, that they
really they don't sit on it as much. I mean,
the regular people that aren't in this kind of a
field that we're in right now, look at these stories
for this many hours a day. Yeah, I mean, because
that's like, really, that's really sad actually to think about
that because I feel like sometimes part of the job
(47:34):
that I don't like is that I just feel as
if I can't really turn it off because I'm trying
to constantly like learn about all the stuff that's going
on all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I would argue that boomers are the worst generation with
this because they have phones and they're used to watching
the news, so they have both going at the same time.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Because I can name ten people.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Off the top of my head in this age bracket
that are just constantly living in its fear. Did you
see this on the news? Did you see this on
the news? It's like, you can't just watch the news
all the time, you have to watch something else. Everybody
makes fun of me for reading my shitty romance books
and watching Real Housewives, But I read horrible things all
day to provide entertainment.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
To you people, So I need a break at the
end of the day. Those books are really bad. They're
Homemark movie.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
That's not a Hallmark movie. That's like some kind of
weirdst of all, I don't read romanticy, so relax. I
read like dumb other contemporary.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
That was not that. That was not the impression I
got when I went to that bookstore. Did you see
me shopping on that side of the store.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
I don't think so. All right, let's move on to
questions of the Week. Every Friday that mother knows that
Instagram account or on the YouTube channel, you guys can
ask us whatever questions you want. One, why does it
hurt to break a bone? I thought they didn't have nerves.
Bones have nerves. They're just on the outside of the bone.
So there's something there's a thin membrane on the outside
(49:04):
of the bones called the periostium, which has a ton
of nerves. So when the bone breaks, that causes pain.
And then you also have if you have a compound fracture,
for example, where the bone breaks in pieces and it
could stab into your muscles and your tendons, you could
also get pain from that, and then you get swelling
(49:24):
and inflammation and that can compress nerves, which also causes pain.
So yeah, they have nerves, all right too. Have you
seen any extra weird ectopic pregnancies this person saying they
just had a patient with one in each fallopian tube.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
Ooh, that's interesting. Yeah, I've seen a lot just in
surgical pathology. I mean, I haven't seen any real interesting
ones in real life in surgical pathology, just the old
bread and butter one in a philopian tube. But we
do have some really awesome cases in the gross room.
We have one called you Can't Judge a Book by
(50:00):
Its Cover, and that's a woman that had an abdominal pregnancy,
which is super super rare. And then we have another
one called two for One that there is actually a
twin pregnancy inside of a Filippian tube and it's really
cool to look at. So check those out.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I think question was submitted by one of our YouTube
Live regulars, and I don't want to say her name
out here, just in case she could get in trouble
with her work for exposing that information. But we could
ask her probably, so.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I'm sure that's fine because like, that's not that would
not fall under a hip of violation by any means.
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Rules were with Diner's offices. So all right, three, how
long did it take for you to perfect your bun?
Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh? I don't really know. I was thinking about that
when I saw this question. I don't know. I don't
even really know when I started. I guess I started
wearing it when the kids were little, right, or maybe
when I was pregnant or something with them.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
But when you were have luber, you like you got
the most outrageous haircut ever.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Well, that was not my That was not my fault.
That was crazy. That was not my fault. Because I
used to shave the side of my hair my hair,
and then some person like botched my hair so bad
and cut it like all the way back across. Did
you you don't remember that.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
I just remember coming in the house one day and
was like, I don't know if it's pregnancy hormones, but
I don't.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Know what she's thinking. No, I had to hair cut.
I had to cut off all my hair. It was terrible.
I had the little corner above my ear shaved, that
was it, and this lady decided to put all these
crazy layers like behind it, like halfway to my hair.
So my hair literally looked like it was long on
one side and the other side looked like an eighties
(51:50):
layered haircut. It was the weirdest thing. Ever. There was
nothing I could do to fix it. So then I
was just like, I have to cut all my hair off.
There was That was the only thing that I could
do to fix it. But then I so then I
cut all my hair off, like right before I had
Luber and then I really haven't caught it much since.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I feel like your bun. I'm trying to just think
because didn't you did? Yeah, you had the shave side
part for a while after, because Lillian basically had the
same haircut as you for a while. That's also your
em O given your kid. Me and her had the
same haircut, like that was little for years. I feel
(52:27):
like the bun started coming up around what like twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
No, I have a picture wearing the bun with Lillian
when she's one years old. Are you sure? Yes, you
took the picture. We were at some pumpkin farm or something. Oh,
you're right.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Okay, So you had it before and then you got
the bots haircut and then you went back yeah when
your hair grew back. Okay, yeah, you're right. Oh yeah,
I remember that photo shootcause remember they wanted me to
pay like one hundred and fifty dollars because I had
my regular camera and like, yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah that we just did it really fast. Yeah that
was dumb. Okay, guys.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
On Friday, we are gonna be at the Wildlife CSI
at Lake Tobias Wildlife Park and then the following weekend
we are going to be sponsoring the golf carts at
the Keeping Hope a Live Golf Classic, and the weekend
after that we will be at Darkside, New Jersey and Edison.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
I'm looking forward to that. I'm gonna go shopping for
my house.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
We should have the schedule for that coming out, hopefully
in the next week or two too, so we can
give some more instructions. But I think if you buy
the ticket early, you get some money off, so look
into that because it's pretty affordable to go to in general,
but I think you get an extra five bucks off
if you get in.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, and then you could get really too my book too,
and I'll sign your book if you get one.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
So yeah, all right, guys, Well head over to Apple
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Speaker 2 (53:52):
So yeah, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.
As my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have
a master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
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media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day, and the opinions expressed
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Cardiac Cowboys
The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.