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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria Qkaine. Hi, everyone,
welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're going
to talk about a husband and wife who were celebrating
their child's fourth birthday the same way any of us would,
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by drinking lots of alcohol and doing cocaine. Well, their
deaths are very unusual, and we'll get into that. Then
we'll get into a freak accident of a woman who
was choked to death by her car window. We have
a horrific case coming out of India involving cough syrup
that took the lives of at least twenty children, lead
that has been found in one of my favorite drinks,
(00:51):
bubble Tea, and a correlation between a popular hair loss
medication and suicide. All that and more on today's episode,
Let's get started with this wild birthday celebration.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, so this happened in Brazil. This cop and his
wife were celebrating their daughter's fourth birthday. That's when they decided.
Later on that night they were going to go to
a nightclub, drink a bunch of alcohol, and do a
bunch of cocaine. They checked into a motel later that
night and the next day never showed up to pick
up the kid. So that's when they were found in
the motel room dead in the bathtub.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Okay, so cocaine can intensify the effects of alcohol. It's
just not good to ever do cocaine and alcohol together.
I almost would say it's not good to do cocaine,
but I know people are going to do what they're
going to do. It's just that mixing an upper and
a downer it just can make the effects of the
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drug so much stronger, and it could cause things like
an increase in heart rate. And cocaine also has this
ability to raise a person's body temperature, so when that's happening,
you can get things like dizziness and confusion. And they
both ended up in the bathtub for some reason. I mean,
maybe they were just having a sexy night or whatever.
(02:09):
It's not totally uncommon for that to happen, but they
were so high slash drunk they didn't really realize how
hot the water was and what was happening to their bodies.
And it's likely that just this intense hot temperature of
one hundred and twenty two degrees that's what the water
was when they found them. That, along with being high
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on the cocaine and the alcohol, that also raises the
body temperature, just caused them to slip into an unconscious state,
and they could even go into a coma and death
in that situation. If they were in a bed, it
could be likely that they wouldn't die because their body
temperature could you know, potentially be lowered if they were
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in a room and not sitting in hot water like that.
So on top of just their deaths occurring this way,
which is tragic that the celebration of this four year
old's birthday ended up like this, Right, they're celebrating a
kid's birthday and now both of her parents are dead.
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But on top of this, just investigators finding bodies that
were dead in hot water like that. They could have
been had a severe not severe, but they could have
been pretty decomposed when they were found, more than if
they were just found on the bed or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I guess my confusion with this story is that when
we both were starting to write our notes, we assumed
it was a hot tub, but all the reports are
specifically saying a bath tub, So I just don't really
understand because if you in a normal situation, if you
were to take a bath, I understand they might have
been intoxicated to the point where they made the water
so hot and initially got in, But how was it
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still so hot when they were found the next day.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting, because normally, when
you fill up the bathtub with really hot water, even
in the time while you're taking the bath, you want
to get out because the water starts getting cold. But
I've been in hotel rooms that have I wouldn't I
don't know if you would consider it maybe like a
jacuzzi tub. It's a bathtub technically, but yeah, I mean
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it's it's kind of a hot tub. You know that
it has the jets and everything, and I guess sometimes
they could keep the water a certain temperature. I don't
really know. There's just different ways that you could heat bath.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Water, and it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Until they were putting what we would see in our
house like a hot water heater that you could really
monitor the temperature. You know, on the hot water heater
you could actually put how hot the water comes out. Yeah,
so it might like we have ours turned up extra
high because I like to use it to clean dishes
and things like that. But I always warn people that
(04:58):
are washing their hands at my sank Yo be careful
because that water comes out pretty hot. But back in
the day, you weren't able to monitor that as well,
and sometimes if there was, if there was a faulty system,
people could I have a case in the grocer room
actually have a guy that literally boiled to death in water,
(05:20):
So it's totally possible in that situation. So I don't
know what the setup is in Brazil as far as
they're how they're heating bathtubs and what kind of what
they consider a bathtub versus a hot tub or anything
like that. But well, I guess I was just thinking
it's not very common to have a hot tub within
a hotel room, but if you're going, you know, around
here we have like feather nest in and we have
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those Poconos resorts with like the champagne tubs in them and.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Shaved hot tubs. Yeah, so I guess in theory it
is possible, but I was just confused by the wording
of it. But I guess I'll just also never understand
the mindset of celebrating your toddler's birthday and then just
immediately going out and doing a bunch of drugs and drinking.
It just doesn't seem, you know, like a normal thing.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But just aside from the drinking and drugs, it's just
like usually when you're celebrating your child's birthday, like we
had Lucia's birthday this past weekend. We were with Lucia,
you know, it just like dump the kid off, didn't
drop her off at your house and then go out
and hang out alone. Right, So it's just it's a
little unusual. But they're dead now.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well yeah, so all right, let's move on to this
next one. This is a total definition of a freak accident.
Over the summer in France, this woman, who was six
years old, was leaning through the window of her car
to apply the handbrake, and as she was doing this,
she accidentally hit the automatic window, which trapped her head
and essentially caused her to choke to death.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
This is such a freak accident. But also there should
be some kind of mechanism in the car, and I
don't know if there is in some cars and not others,
but if it appears that the window is trying to
go up and it's stuck on something, it should automatically
go back down.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, did this remind you of our Boy in the
Box situation with the car when you're the details of it?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That was terrible. Yeah, So Maria and I went we
were writing about the Boy in the Box and it
happened in Philly, so we were like, all right, well,
let's just go take a ride over there where they
found the body and stuff, because it's twenty minutes away
from my house. And at the time, I had an
SUV and we pulled up to the site and we
were going to go outside and take a video, and
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it was cold outside, so we were just sitting there
talking about like, all right, what are we going to
do and say outside? When we get outside of the car,
and I was parked on an incline and here I
just pulled up on the side of the curb and
I never put my car in park because I had
my foot on the brake. But when I took my
foot off the brake, it was still so we were
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sitting there for like twenty minutes. So then, in my mind,
just not paying attention and stuff, I assumed that I
had put the car in park and I didn't. And
as soon as I got out of the car, the
car started rolling backwards down the hill and scared the
shit out of me because I was like, oh my god,
this is gonna like at that point, I wasn't thinking
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about my car. I was thinking about it killing a
person walking by, or just going into the street and
slamming into another car. So I panicked and ran down
the street. I don't even understand how I did that.
I don't jumped in the car and put the car
in park, and I mean, really, I could have gotten
ran over by my own car. It just was my
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instinct to just jump in and do that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, isn't this what happened to that actor Anton Yelchin
too covered in the growth room.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So I remember I was all upset and I was
just like, oh my god, this is such a flaw.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I could have died.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And then I went home and told my husband and
my brother and they were just like, yeah, you're an idiot.
Why that happens all the time, And I just was like, well,
I guess I'm an idiot. Then I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm still on your side about this. It should not
be able to do that because my new car also
has that feature. If you're stopped at a light or something,
and you take your foot off the break, it will
just stay it will stay still, right. So I turned
that off because of what happened to us, And I'm
so scared about it, because of course in our case,
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that was happening on your car and you don't even
think about it because you're like, oh, well, the car
must be parked because it's not moving, and we got
out of it, so you don't think when you reach
over and you just hit, you turn the car off
so the noise goes away that it's gonna start rolling
backwards down the street.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I just I don't even know what I was thinking
in the moment. I just didn't even I didn't think
of it. But I guess normally. I mean, now I'm
in the habit if I was ever in that situation.
As soon as I stop, I will before I'll put
the emergency brake on. I put the emergency brake on
every single time I'm on a hill now because I
because of that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But I even think with my car, it has a
safety feature built in that let's say you still had
that activated. When you go turn the car off, it
automatically shifts the car into park.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I still maintain that that should be a thing.
So this woman, the same thing happened and instead of
so in my case, I opened the car door and
reached in, and she reached in the car door to
put the emergency brake on, but she must have bumped
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with her arm the window button and the window started
going up and caught her neck.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, because in your case, you open the full door,
but in her case, the window was already opened, so
she kind of just reached in the car with her
whole body, hit the button on the way as the
car's already rolling by the way, and then the window
starts listing and just chokes her.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I really feel like that is an automatic safety feature,
at least in American cars, I swear because of just
the because of children that could happen to right in
the backseat, And I feel like it's supposed to recognize
that something is jamming it and not allowing to go
all the way up and then it should lower back down.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Do you feel like it's a flaw with this car
or do you think it's happening to a lot because
don't you think we'd have many stories of not necessarily
something along these lines with this severity happening, but people
at least getting their fingers cut off and stuff, Well,
you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It wouldn't cut it off.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And it didn't cut It didn't cut her head off.
It just compressed her carotid arteries, and she she likely
passed out very quickly. And if someone like, let's say,
if that happened to me in our situation, you were
right there, if you got right in the car and
were able to release the window, I would have I've
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had a situation, might have had some more brain damage
than I already have, but I would have been I
would have been alive because you were right there when
it happened, even if it caused me to pass out,
because you would pass out pretty quick if your kartid
arteries are compressed like that. But the fact that it
squeezed her so much that it compressed her kartid arteries
and she laid in that position, especially with her body
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weight kind of pulling down on it, for god knows
how long until they actually found her. Yeah, and she
was killed her and she was only sixty, Like she's
not old or anything. It's just such a freak accident.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It was seemingly a while before they found her because
she was supposed to go to dinner with friends that
night and never showed up, and then that's when they
found her, so she was still in the visit. I mean,
it must that's it is so scary. I just can't
imagine even walking up on something like that and how
horrific it is. I know it is.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It's really sad, and I really do if you guys,
if any of you guys, especially that work in the
car industry, know about the safety features, we would we
would love to hear about.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That, especially since we are now going to be reading
your guys emails, So please send us emails with more
information because emails comments and but don't.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
If you don't want us to use your name, then
make sure you say that, because otherwise we'll use your name.
We won't use your last name.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But we'll say just your first name.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Unless it's like something super scandalous, we'll use We're we'll
use our discretion.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No totally. But yeah, I just think cars. You know,
we're always saying technology is supposed to be making the
world better, but somehow it's just making it so much worse.
Don't get me su This would never happen if my
new thing.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Is is that now I'm going to go outside with
blacknail polish and paint over every single sensor on my car.
It seriously enrages me. It gives me that like fight
or flight feeling that I'm about to crash into something
when there's nothing around and whatever. I talk about the
every single episode.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I was driving through my neighborhood the other day and
it was like trash day, so people have their trash
cans out. I am literally nowhere near this trash can
that I'm driving towards, and it starts going off like
I'm about to get into a collision and on, like
you know the terrible roads around here, when you actually
almost almost get in a collision when somebody just stops
all of a sudden, doesn't go off. I'm like, this
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is really great. Yeah, it sucks, all right. Get started
with these cough syrup deaths. Okay, In India, at least
twenty children, all under five years old, have died after
allegedly drinking contaminated cough syrup. This is so scary as
a parent to think of it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It is, and I think that we take for granted
a lot in this country because we have the FDA.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And believe me, the FDA.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Has its flaws for sure, and we often say like
how bad our country sucks with this and that, and
then when you read stories like this, you're like, Okay,
that's exactly why we have the FDA, which is interesting
because we have another story to talk about too. So
trust me, they have their flaws. But in a case
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like this, it's like all of these children are being
exposed to five hundred times the permissible limit of diethylene glycol, which,
for any of you who have ever watched forensic files, right,
it's like the thing that's found in anti freeze that
people will put into their husband's drink when they're cheating or.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Something, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So I don't know with the manufacturing, I guess how
it ended up getting in there. But apparently back this
is at least in India in twenty and twenty three,
I believe it was.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
They had to.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
They were supposed to be testing all of the different
components every single time they made a new batch of
cough medicine because, believe it or not, happened before, so
they were supposed to be testing it. They didn't. Apparently
they linked it all back to this one company. They
arrested the guy that's the owner or the CEO or whatever.
(16:14):
But I mean, people aren't going to get their kids back,
and it's just for something like that to happen in America,
it's so much less likely. I mean, we have, like
I said, we're going to talk about later in this episode,
you know, them brushing things under the rug, and we
know that for the history of time that things have
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been known to be dangerous and they kind of try
to hide it from us as long as they can
or whatever. So it's a different kind of shadiness, I guess.
But just imagine your kid having a cold and going
and buying benadrilla or cough medicine and them dying because
they were literally poisoned to death.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
No, I mean the first thing I thought of with
this was the tile and all murders. Right, you have
a headache and.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Then you yeah, But that's different because someone intentionally tainted it.
Is this is accidental, Like I understand that the owner
is getting arrested, but it's because of negligence more than
it's not like he was intentionally trying to kill twenty kids.
It's like he probably just got components of the drug
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cheaper somewhere else and just saved money by not testing it.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh totally, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And I mean this is just in general, any single
thing that we ingest outside of our own house that's
really made by us and grown in our own garden, perhaps,
I mean, every single thing you're taking a risk, right. Actually,
another thing that we're going to be talking about after
the break is lead found in bubble tea. I mean,
(17:49):
we drink bubble tea all the time. You just trust
that your stuff is safe, and it's it's always a risk. Well.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I actually feel like I was pretty naive to this
world until we read Lisa Parn's League of Lady Poisoners,
and then I was like, Wow, it's actually really easy
to just either accidentally get poisoned or have somebody just
slip something in your drink or just up a dose
of anything in your household. It's terrify, it's.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Scary, and you you're very vulnerable in any situation. I
mean that's why, I mean, as you were talking about
the tile and all deaths and stuff, I mean, obviously
that was a new thing that changed the way that
people thought about that by putting seals on containers. I
mean back in the day when they put tail and
on the shelf, it had a screw on lid and
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that's the end of it, or just very easy to
get inside, for a stranger to get inside. So now
it's triple sealed and you would know. And they always
say if it's ever opened, don't touch it because you
don't know why. In this situation, that wouldn't even matter
because it was coming from the manufacturer tainted already. But
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it's happened before that. I feel like there was a
thing years ago in the hospital that the insulin was
labeled incorrectly for children's dose versus an adult dose, and
the children were getting the adults dose, And it wasn't
the fault of the nurses, it's the bottles were I
don't know if they were mislabeled or they were so
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similarly labeled that it was causing confusion and and I
don't know if anyone ended up dying from it. But
just like things like that, are are even scarier when
the organizations you trust to be safe are failing no totally.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And it makes you it's disheartening to hear when a
company is legally supposed to be doing something and they're
just not doing it and they're just trying to get
materials cheaper and then not taking the extra steps to
test everything. Yeah, and this is we only know of
twenty children linked to this. It could be more.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, I know, it's terrible. It's so terrible for those
parents under five or six years old, right, yeah, all underside.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
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Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh god, this led in the bubble tea situation. I
drink bubble tea like twice a week.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Did this story?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Really? I would drink it every day if if it
wasn't so high calorie.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
But well, we we had a period when I first
started working with you that we were ordering it every
single day.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, I know I would. I would really just drink
it every single day, if you know. It's just it's
a lot of calories, so to have that every day.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Is a lot. But it's so good, it is so delicious.
But just to be clear, they'll led they found in
some of the products they tested, was just in the boba, right,
it wasn't in the tea itself.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Well, they it seems that way, so maybe they're all
getting it from the same distributor. They also wanted to
mention that it wasn't enough lad for the what was
it like consumer reports? But is that what the it
was the consumer reports to put out a statement saying
you're not allowed to have this anymore. It just is
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saying it's there enough that you really shouldn't be consuming
it every single day.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, I mean, the first thing I thought was that
your life was totally ruined because this is your and
you always get extra too. It's not even like you
get the normal about.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's like it's a substitution for lunch.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think I may be in the clear because I
don't like the boba. Actually, I just like the t
component of it. They're sitting wrong with you.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I do not like what Why don't you like the boba?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It's like a texture thing. I just I don't like it.
But they tested boba pearls from two major change which
was Gong Cha and Kung Fu Tea, both of which
are near us and we do consume, and they also
I don't really like those ones. Actually I don't love them.
But we've had I actually I like we've had tea.
What's the one in the mall, Real Fruit Tea. That's
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my favorite one, No.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
The best, the best one ever is mister Wish.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I don't like mister Wish.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Sure you're crazy. They have the best bubbles ever.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
No, they're the plain Tea's fine, but I like coconut
flavor and not a lot of places have that, and
Kung Fu Tea has that, and the one in the mall,
the Real Fruit Tea has that, and they do the
frozen one, and that's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
See mister Wish is I don't know, and I'm not.
I'm not paid endorser. I should be because of what
I'm about to say. But I feel like mister Wish
uses real fruit to flavor their their drinks. They whereas
when you go to like one of the what's the
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one hung Fu whatever, they use this powder that's very
processed and stuff. So the negative is that that taro
bubble tea is one of my favorite flavors, but it's
a super fake, weird purple color powder that they use
at a place like Hung Fu Tea or something. When
you get taro bubble tea at mister Wish, it's like weird.
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It has like chunks of potatoes in it because it's
real taro, and I don't I didn't like that. I
didn't understand. I don't like that texture, like a giant
potato in my milkshake.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
It's just it was just weird.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
But like their traditional tea is very good and they're
actually using tea instead of that weird dissolvable powder stuff,
So that's I mean, I like that part of it anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean, this conversation is actually really making what bubble tea?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, let after recording, let's pay twenty five dollars to
get one to to our house. Things one for twenty
five dollars.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yet all right, but going back to it. So they
examined boba pearls from the two major change Gongsha and
Kung Fu Tea, along with package products from Trader Joe's
and Wu Fu Yang. So the results show detectable lead
levels and all four products tested though they said they
were not at the levels like you said to prompt
consumer reports to recommend complete avoidance. So they're basically just
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getting it. You can still have it, but don't be
like us and have it every day. You should have
it once in a while as a treat. As a
result of this, Trader Joe's has discontinued their boba kits,
Wu Fu has decided that they're going to continue testing,
and the other two have just not provided any comment
on what they're going to be doing.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You know, the thing that's weird about lead poisoning. If
it's especially if it's not a lot like in this case,
it could give you very non specific symptoms like a
loss of appetite or nausea, or stomach pain and headache.
Things like that that, you know how you always hear
from your friends like, I've been having all these symptoms
and I really don't know what's wrong with me. And eventually,
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if you have all these symptoms and you I mean,
if you're going to a decent doctor and they roll
out all the major things like thyroid or this or that,
then they might test you for lead. But it's not
really I don't feel like it's in the top of
the list to tech to check people for. And even so,
if you have this, the levels might not be super
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high because they're saying that, but it's just a little
it's scary.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And like and what were they saying was the real
hold on, let me there're my notes down, so let
me fight it again. What they were saying, Oh, it
was linked to the cassava, which is a root vegetable
that they used to make the tapioca pearls. So I
wonder if other products with that too have the same issue.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
The thing is is that there's lead in there's lead
in our foods, and that's why you test for it
because it's kind of impossible to avoid. You just want
to make sure you're not having a lot of lead
exposure and it sucks because if it is really I mean,
like to their defense, it's low, and it's so low
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that they're saying they don't have to issue a warning
on it. So it's like you're just kind of making
companies look bad and ruining their business, maybe for no reason.
But I guess it's good because in the next case,
for the next story we're going to talk about, it's
better for the Consumer Reports to be outward with the
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information that they have to say, hey, we found it
here and it's dangerous and just use with caution, because
if it comes out in ten years from now that
Consumer Reports knew there was lead and didn't tell anyone,
and then people are having all these symptoms, then they
could be liable for not releasing it to the public.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well let's get into that. So new research from Israel
has linked a popular hair loss treatment in men with
a higher risk of mood disorders and suicidal thoughts, specifically Propecia,
which was approved by the US FDA in the nineties. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So, Propecia is a drug that's used for traditional male
pattern baldness, and it's also used for benign prosthetic hyperplasia,
which is a condition where the prostate land almost gets
So the prostate land in the male sits underneath of
the bladder and the urethra comes from the bladder, it
goes through the prostate and then goes out the penis.
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So this is kind of a walnut shaped gland that's
surrounding the urethra. And sometimes you can get it's almost
equivalent to like fibroids in a woman in this prostate land,
and they could get big and nodular and they could
start squeezing the urethra. So when a man peas, it'll
kind of squirt out, and sometimes it could be so
(29:52):
bad that the pea can't get out. So this drug
is used for that to kind of make the prostate
gland chill out a little bit so a man's able
to pete without having that obstruction. But they they so
this is this is what's kind of crazy from this.
So it says that Propecia animal studies have shown long
term brain inflammation and changes to the hippocampus, which is
(30:15):
the brain center for learning, memory, and emotions. So in
twenty and eleven they added that depression was a side
effect of this drug, and not until twenty twenty two,
which was only three years ago. They added that suicidal
ideation is also linked with this drug. But when they
(30:38):
went back and looked at internal FDA documentation, it showed
that suicidal thoughts and behaviors went all the way back
to two thousand and ten. So for twelve whole years
they didn't come out with this information and let the
public know about this.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well. Also they found even more warnings going back to
two thousand in two, so you're talking about twenty three years.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, And I mean that that really sucks because especially
you know what the BPH is one thing if you have,
if you're having an anatomic problem with your prostate gland,
that is a reason to take this drug because otherwise
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you're going to need surgery. And if you don't treat it,
the urine could back up into your bladder and cause bladderstones,
or it could back up all the way to your
kidneys and cause kidney infection. Like it could be really
it could be really bad and ultimately, I mean theoretically
it could kill you if you don't treat it. But
hair loss is cosmetic. I mean, it's a big deal
(31:46):
for men. Obviously, it's a big deal for women too
when it happens to them. But is it worth taking
a medication that might give you some suicidal ideations when
normally you wouldn't have had them.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, do you notice when you see these pharmaceutical commercials
on TV at the end, they'll just either say it
all really fast and it's like, oh, you might die
taking this medication. You're like, what are you gonna elaborate?
Or what what happens here?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
There's this one jardance, maybe one of those these diabetes drugs,
And at the end it's real quick like, and some
patients may cause a type of gangerine called foreignase gangerine
in the grain, but it is not common like that fast, right,
and nobody hears that. And I'm just like, do people
(32:33):
know what that is? Because it's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's absolutely people know what that is.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It's absolutely terrifying. It's this terrible infection that travels up
inside of your groin in between your muscle layers and
causes your skin. It's a flesh eating bacteria. You have
to get surgery to remove huge chunks of skin and
(32:57):
soft tissue in hopes that they can control the infection.
And sometimes it grows so large that there's so much
skin missing from your groin, so like your butt cheeks,
your crotch, like your thighs. You have to get skin
graft if you survive it, because it's highly deadly. And
I'm like, eh, don't brush this under the rug, Like,
(33:20):
if this happens to somebody, it's it's a huge deal.
And I know it's not common, but like, I don't know,
I would want to know the extent of that's a
big difference between just having nausea for a couple of days, right.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, yeah, And I mean that that's why there's like
Saturday Night Live skits and people on TikTok that always
are making fun of these commercials because they'll just glaze
over something like, oh, after you just watch the sixty
second commercial of people frolicking in a field of daisies
talking about how amazing this medication is, you might want
to kill your whole family after you take this, and
(33:55):
they just say it really fast at the end, like
it doesn't matter at all.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And also I think about this, It's like, how many
dudes have taken this medication and have been in relationships
and killed themselves and had children all this stuff because
of a hair loss struck that they didn't even know
and their partners never got closure as to what happened
with them.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, this is why people have a lack of trust
in the FDA, because you're going back and you're saying
these internal documents going back to two thousand and two
to twenty ten or showing that they had some idea
that these issues were happening, and they just put the
label on it. What twenty years later? Yeah, what about
all the people in between those twenty years. This happens
(34:37):
with a lot of different drugs. Also, this happened with
cigarettes one hundred percent, right, I mean, well, yeah, there
was a lot of documentation with that too. So you
always have to wonder whenever they discontinue a drug, like
how long have they known about this? And it's just
it's not cool. And like I said earlier, our FDA
(34:59):
might not be putting out medications that are killing children
because the chemicals are not measured correctly or they're incorrect
chemicals are in the drug itself, but their shadiness going
on behind the scenes that is also putting our lives
in danger. No, totally. Well, on that note, good week
(35:22):
of episodes. We are going to be at Darkside, New
Jersey and Edison this Saturday, in two days. We cannot
believe it is here already. We can't everybody to cover
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the most outrageous stories ever. And then of course followed
by a book signing so we'll get to meet some
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Please rate, review, and subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube,
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Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria Qkaine. Hi, everyone,
welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're going
to talk about a husband and wife who were celebrating
their child's fourth birthday the same way any of us would,
(00:29):
by drinking lots of alcohol and doing cocaine. Well, their
deaths are very unusual, and we'll get into that. Then
we'll get into a freak accident of a woman who
was choked to death by her car window. We have
a horrific case coming out of India involving cough syrup
that took the lives of at least twenty children, lead
that has been found in one of my favorite drinks,
(00:51):
bubble Tea, and a correlation between a popular hair loss
medication and suicide. All that and more on today's episode,
Let's get started with this wild birthday celebration.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, so this happened in Brazil. This cop and his
wife were celebrating their daughter's fourth birthday. That's when they decided.
Later on that night they were going to go to
a nightclub, drink a bunch of alcohol, and do a
bunch of cocaine. They checked into a motel later that
night and the next day never showed up to pick
up the kid. So that's when they were found in
the motel room dead in the bathtub.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Okay, so cocaine can intensify the effects of alcohol. It's
just not good to ever do cocaine and alcohol together.
I almost would say it's not good to do cocaine,
but I know people are going to do what they're
going to do. It's just that mixing an upper and
a downer it just can make the effects of the
(01:47):
drug so much stronger, and it could cause things like
an increase in heart rate. And cocaine also has this
ability to raise a person's body temperature, so when that's happening,
you can get things like dizziness and confusion. And they
both ended up in the bathtub for some reason. I mean,
maybe they were just having a sexy night or whatever.
(02:09):
It's not totally uncommon for that to happen, but they
were so high slash drunk they didn't really realize how
hot the water was and what was happening to their bodies.
And it's likely that just this intense hot temperature of
one hundred and twenty two degrees that's what the water
was when they found them. That, along with being high
(02:32):
on the cocaine and the alcohol, that also raises the
body temperature, just caused them to slip into an unconscious state,
and they could even go into a coma and death
in that situation. If they were in a bed, it
could be likely that they wouldn't die because their body
temperature could you know, potentially be lowered if they were
(02:55):
in a room and not sitting in hot water like that.
So on top of just their deaths occurring this way,
which is tragic that the celebration of this four year
old's birthday ended up like this, Right, they're celebrating a
kid's birthday and now both of her parents are dead.
(03:16):
But on top of this, just investigators finding bodies that
were dead in hot water like that. They could have
been had a severe not severe, but they could have
been pretty decomposed when they were found, more than if
they were just found on the bed or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I guess my confusion with this story is that when
we both were starting to write our notes, we assumed
it was a hot tub, but all the reports are
specifically saying a bath tub, So I just don't really
understand because if you in a normal situation, if you
were to take a bath, I understand they might have
been intoxicated to the point where they made the water
so hot and initially got in, But how was it
(03:54):
still so hot when they were found the next day.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting, because normally, when
you fill up the bathtub with really hot water, even
in the time while you're taking the bath, you want
to get out because the water starts getting cold. But
I've been in hotel rooms that have I wouldn't I
don't know if you would consider it maybe like a
jacuzzi tub. It's a bathtub technically, but yeah, I mean
(04:22):
it's it's kind of a hot tub. You know that
it has the jets and everything, and I guess sometimes
they could keep the water a certain temperature. I don't
really know. There's just different ways that you could heat bath.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Water, and it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Until they were putting what we would see in our
house like a hot water heater that you could really
monitor the temperature. You know, on the hot water heater
you could actually put how hot the water comes out. Yeah,
so it might like we have ours turned up extra
high because I like to use it to clean dishes
and things like that. But I always warn people that
(04:58):
are washing their hands at my sank Yo be careful
because that water comes out pretty hot. But back in
the day, you weren't able to monitor that as well,
and sometimes if there was, if there was a faulty system,
people could I have a case in the grocer room
actually have a guy that literally boiled to death in water,
(05:20):
So it's totally possible in that situation. So I don't
know what the setup is in Brazil as far as
they're how they're heating bathtubs and what kind of what
they consider a bathtub versus a hot tub or anything
like that. But well, I guess I was just thinking
it's not very common to have a hot tub within
a hotel room, but if you're going, you know, around
here we have like feather nest in and we have
(05:42):
those Poconos resorts with like the champagne tubs in them and.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Shaved hot tubs. Yeah, so I guess in theory it
is possible, but I was just confused by the wording
of it. But I guess I'll just also never understand
the mindset of celebrating your toddler's birthday and then just
immediately going out and doing a bunch of drugs and drinking.
It just doesn't seem, you know, like a normal thing.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
But just aside from the drinking and drugs, it's just
like usually when you're celebrating your child's birthday, like we
had Lucia's birthday this past weekend. We were with Lucia,
you know, it just like dump the kid off, didn't
drop her off at your house and then go out
and hang out alone. Right, So it's just it's a
little unusual. But they're dead now.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Well yeah, so all right, let's move on to this
next one. This is a total definition of a freak accident.
Over the summer in France, this woman, who was six
years old, was leaning through the window of her car
to apply the handbrake, and as she was doing this,
she accidentally hit the automatic window, which trapped her head
and essentially caused her to choke to death.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
This is such a freak accident. But also there should
be some kind of mechanism in the car, and I
don't know if there is in some cars and not others,
but if it appears that the window is trying to
go up and it's stuck on something, it should automatically
go back down.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Well, did this remind you of our Boy in the
Box situation with the car when you're the details of it?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That was terrible. Yeah, So Maria and I went we
were writing about the Boy in the Box and it
happened in Philly, so we were like, all right, well,
let's just go take a ride over there where they
found the body and stuff, because it's twenty minutes away
from my house. And at the time, I had an
SUV and we pulled up to the site and we
were going to go outside and take a video, and
(07:38):
it was cold outside, so we were just sitting there
talking about like, all right, what are we going to
do and say outside? When we get outside of the car,
and I was parked on an incline and here I
just pulled up on the side of the curb and
I never put my car in park because I had
my foot on the brake. But when I took my
foot off the brake, it was still so we were
(08:00):
sitting there for like twenty minutes. So then, in my mind,
just not paying attention and stuff, I assumed that I
had put the car in park and I didn't. And
as soon as I got out of the car, the
car started rolling backwards down the hill and scared the
shit out of me because I was like, oh my god,
this is gonna like at that point, I wasn't thinking
(08:21):
about my car. I was thinking about it killing a
person walking by, or just going into the street and
slamming into another car. So I panicked and ran down
the street. I don't even understand how I did that.
I don't jumped in the car and put the car
in park, and I mean, really, I could have gotten
ran over by my own car. It just was my
(08:43):
instinct to just jump in and do that.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well, isn't this what happened to that actor Anton Yelchin
too covered in the growth room.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So I remember I was all upset and I was
just like, oh my god, this is such a flaw.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I could have died.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And then I went home and told my husband and
my brother and they were just like, yeah, you're an idiot.
Why that happens all the time, And I just was like, well,
I guess I'm an idiot. Then I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm still on your side about this. It should not
be able to do that because my new car also
has that feature. If you're stopped at a light or something,
and you take your foot off the break, it will
just stay it will stay still, right. So I turned
that off because of what happened to us, And I'm
so scared about it, because of course in our case,
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that was happening on your car and you don't even
think about it because you're like, oh, well, the car
must be parked because it's not moving, and we got
out of it, so you don't think when you reach
over and you just hit, you turn the car off
so the noise goes away that it's gonna start rolling
backwards down the street.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I just I don't even know what I was thinking
in the moment. I just didn't even I didn't think
of it. But I guess normally. I mean, now I'm
in the habit if I was ever in that situation.
As soon as I stop, I will before I'll put
the emergency brake on. I put the emergency brake on
every single time I'm on a hill now because I
because of that.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
But I even think with my car, it has a
safety feature built in that let's say you still had
that activated. When you go turn the car off, it
automatically shifts the car into park.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I still maintain that that should be a thing.
So this woman, the same thing happened and instead of
so in my case, I opened the car door and
reached in, and she reached in the car door to
put the emergency brake on, but she must have bumped
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with her arm the window button and the window started
going up and caught her neck.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, because in your case, you open the full door,
but in her case, the window was already opened, so
she kind of just reached in the car with her
whole body, hit the button on the way as the
car's already rolling by the way, and then the window
starts listing and just chokes her.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I really feel like that is an automatic safety feature,
at least in American cars, I swear because of just
the because of children that could happen to right in
the backseat, And I feel like it's supposed to recognize
that something is jamming it and not allowing to go
all the way up and then it should lower back down.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Do you feel like it's a flaw with this car
or do you think it's happening to a lot because
don't you think we'd have many stories of not necessarily
something along these lines with this severity happening, but people
at least getting their fingers cut off and stuff, Well,
you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
It wouldn't cut it off.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
And it didn't cut It didn't cut her head off.
It just compressed her carotid arteries, and she she likely
passed out very quickly. And if someone like, let's say,
if that happened to me in our situation, you were
right there, if you got right in the car and
were able to release the window, I would have I've
(12:01):
had a situation, might have had some more brain damage
than I already have, but I would have been I
would have been alive because you were right there when
it happened, even if it caused me to pass out,
because you would pass out pretty quick if your kartid
arteries are compressed like that. But the fact that it
squeezed her so much that it compressed her kartid arteries
and she laid in that position, especially with her body
(12:25):
weight kind of pulling down on it, for god knows
how long until they actually found her. Yeah, and she
was killed her and she was only sixty, Like she's
not old or anything. It's just such a freak accident.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It was seemingly a while before they found her because
she was supposed to go to dinner with friends that
night and never showed up, and then that's when they
found her, so she was still in the visit. I mean,
it must that's it is so scary. I just can't
imagine even walking up on something like that and how
horrific it is. I know it is.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
It's really sad, and I really do if you guys,
if any of you guys, especially that work in the
car industry, know about the safety features, we would we
would love to hear about.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That, especially since we are now going to be reading
your guys emails, So please send us emails with more
information because emails comments and but don't.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
If you don't want us to use your name, then
make sure you say that, because otherwise we'll use your name.
We won't use your last name.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But we'll say just your first name.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Unless it's like something super scandalous, we'll use We're we'll
use our discretion.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
No totally. But yeah, I just think cars. You know,
we're always saying technology is supposed to be making the
world better, but somehow it's just making it so much worse.
Don't get me su This would never happen if my
new thing.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Is is that now I'm going to go outside with
blacknail polish and paint over every single sensor on my car.
It seriously enrages me. It gives me that like fight
or flight feeling that I'm about to crash into something
when there's nothing around and whatever. I talk about the
every single episode.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I was driving through my neighborhood the other day and
it was like trash day, so people have their trash
cans out. I am literally nowhere near this trash can
that I'm driving towards, and it starts going off like
I'm about to get into a collision and on, like
you know the terrible roads around here, when you actually
almost almost get in a collision when somebody just stops
all of a sudden, doesn't go off. I'm like, this
(14:24):
is really great. Yeah, it sucks, all right. Get started
with these cough syrup deaths. Okay, In India, at least
twenty children, all under five years old, have died after
allegedly drinking contaminated cough syrup. This is so scary as
a parent to think of it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It is, and I think that we take for granted
a lot in this country because we have the FDA.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
And believe me, the FDA.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Has its flaws for sure, and we often say like
how bad our country sucks with this and that, and
then when you read stories like this, you're like, Okay,
that's exactly why we have the FDA, which is interesting
because we have another story to talk about too. So
trust me, they have their flaws. But in a case
(15:11):
like this, it's like all of these children are being
exposed to five hundred times the permissible limit of diethylene glycol, which,
for any of you who have ever watched forensic files, right,
it's like the thing that's found in anti freeze that
people will put into their husband's drink when they're cheating or.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Something, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So I don't know with the manufacturing, I guess how
it ended up getting in there. But apparently back this
is at least in India in twenty and twenty three,
I believe it was.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
They had to.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
They were supposed to be testing all of the different
components every single time they made a new batch of
cough medicine because, believe it or not, happened before, so
they were supposed to be testing it. They didn't. Apparently
they linked it all back to this one company. They
arrested the guy that's the owner or the CEO or whatever.
(16:14):
But I mean, people aren't going to get their kids back,
and it's just for something like that to happen in America,
it's so much less likely. I mean, we have, like
I said, we're going to talk about later in this episode,
you know, them brushing things under the rug, and we
know that for the history of time that things have
(16:34):
been known to be dangerous and they kind of try
to hide it from us as long as they can
or whatever. So it's a different kind of shadiness, I guess.
But just imagine your kid having a cold and going
and buying benadrilla or cough medicine and them dying because
they were literally poisoned to death.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
No, I mean the first thing I thought of with
this was the tile and all murders. Right, you have
a headache and.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Then you yeah, But that's different because someone intentionally tainted it.
Is this is accidental, Like I understand that the owner
is getting arrested, but it's because of negligence more than
it's not like he was intentionally trying to kill twenty kids.
It's like he probably just got components of the drug
(17:21):
cheaper somewhere else and just saved money by not testing it.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Oh totally, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And I mean this is just in general, any single
thing that we ingest outside of our own house that's
really made by us and grown in our own garden, perhaps,
I mean, every single thing you're taking a risk, right. Actually,
another thing that we're going to be talking about after
the break is lead found in bubble tea. I mean,
(17:49):
we drink bubble tea all the time. You just trust
that your stuff is safe, and it's it's always a risk. Well.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I actually feel like I was pretty naive to this
world until we read Lisa Parn's League of Lady Poisoners,
and then I was like, Wow, it's actually really easy
to just either accidentally get poisoned or have somebody just
slip something in your drink or just up a dose
of anything in your household. It's terrify, it's.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Scary, and you you're very vulnerable in any situation. I
mean that's why, I mean, as you were talking about
the tile and all deaths and stuff, I mean, obviously
that was a new thing that changed the way that
people thought about that by putting seals on containers. I
mean back in the day when they put tail and
on the shelf, it had a screw on lid and
(18:39):
that's the end of it, or just very easy to
get inside, for a stranger to get inside. So now
it's triple sealed and you would know. And they always
say if it's ever opened, don't touch it because you
don't know why. In this situation, that wouldn't even matter
because it was coming from the manufacturer tainted already. But
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it's happened before that. I feel like there was a
thing years ago in the hospital that the insulin was
labeled incorrectly for children's dose versus an adult dose, and
the children were getting the adults dose, And it wasn't
the fault of the nurses, it's the bottles were I
don't know if they were mislabeled or they were so
(19:22):
similarly labeled that it was causing confusion and and I
don't know if anyone ended up dying from it. But
just like things like that, are are even scarier when
the organizations you trust to be safe are failing no totally.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
And it makes you it's disheartening to hear when a
company is legally supposed to be doing something and they're
just not doing it and they're just trying to get
materials cheaper and then not taking the extra steps to
test everything. Yeah, and this is we only know of
twenty children linked to this. It could be more.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, I know, it's terrible. It's so terrible for those
parents under five or six years old, right, yeah, all underside.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
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Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh god, this led in the bubble tea situation. I
drink bubble tea like twice a week.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Did this story?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Really? I would drink it every day if if it
wasn't so high calorie.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
But well, we we had a period when I first
started working with you that we were ordering it every
single day.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, I know I would. I would really just drink
it every single day, if you know. It's just it's
a lot of calories, so to have that every day.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Is a lot. But it's so good, it is so delicious.
But just to be clear, they'll led they found in
some of the products they tested, was just in the boba, right,
it wasn't in the tea itself.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Well, they it seems that way, so maybe they're all
getting it from the same distributor. They also wanted to
mention that it wasn't enough lad for the what was
it like consumer reports? But is that what the it
was the consumer reports to put out a statement saying
you're not allowed to have this anymore. It just is
(23:27):
saying it's there enough that you really shouldn't be consuming
it every single day.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, I mean, the first thing I thought was that
your life was totally ruined because this is your and
you always get extra too. It's not even like you
get the normal about.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's like it's a substitution for lunch.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think I may be in the clear because I
don't like the boba. Actually, I just like the t
component of it. They're sitting wrong with you.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I do not like what Why don't you like the boba?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It's like a texture thing. I just I don't like it.
But they tested boba pearls from two major change which
was Gong Cha and Kung Fu Tea, both of which
are near us and we do consume, and they also
I don't really like those ones. Actually I don't love them.
But we've had I actually I like we've had tea.
What's the one in the mall, Real Fruit Tea. That's
(24:18):
my favorite one, No.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
The best, the best one ever is mister Wish.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I don't like mister Wish.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Sure you're crazy. They have the best bubbles ever.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
No, they're the plain Tea's fine, but I like coconut
flavor and not a lot of places have that, and
Kung Fu Tea has that, and the one in the mall,
the Real Fruit Tea has that, and they do the
frozen one, and that's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
See mister Wish is I don't know, and I'm not.
I'm not paid endorser. I should be because of what
I'm about to say. But I feel like mister Wish
uses real fruit to flavor their their drinks. They whereas
when you go to like one of the what's the
(24:59):
one hung Fu whatever, they use this powder that's very
processed and stuff. So the negative is that that taro
bubble tea is one of my favorite flavors, but it's
a super fake, weird purple color powder that they use
at a place like Hung Fu Tea or something. When
you get taro bubble tea at mister Wish, it's like weird.
(25:22):
It has like chunks of potatoes in it because it's
real taro, and I don't I didn't like that. I
didn't understand. I don't like that texture, like a giant
potato in my milkshake.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
It's just it was just weird.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
But like their traditional tea is very good and they're
actually using tea instead of that weird dissolvable powder stuff,
So that's I mean, I like that part of it anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean, this conversation is actually really making what bubble tea?
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, let after recording, let's pay twenty five dollars to
get one to to our house. Things one for twenty
five dollars.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yet all right, but going back to it. So they
examined boba pearls from the two major change Gongsha and
Kung Fu Tea, along with package products from Trader Joe's
and Wu Fu Yang. So the results show detectable lead
levels and all four products tested though they said they
were not at the levels like you said to prompt
consumer reports to recommend complete avoidance. So they're basically just
(26:25):
getting it. You can still have it, but don't be
like us and have it every day. You should have
it once in a while as a treat. As a
result of this, Trader Joe's has discontinued their boba kits,
Wu Fu has decided that they're going to continue testing,
and the other two have just not provided any comment
on what they're going to be doing.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
You know, the thing that's weird about lead poisoning. If
it's especially if it's not a lot like in this case,
it could give you very non specific symptoms like a
loss of appetite or nausea, or stomach pain and headache.
Things like that that, you know how you always hear
from your friends like, I've been having all these symptoms
and I really don't know what's wrong with me. And eventually,
(27:08):
if you have all these symptoms and you I mean,
if you're going to a decent doctor and they roll
out all the major things like thyroid or this or that,
then they might test you for lead. But it's not
really I don't feel like it's in the top of
the list to tech to check people for. And even so,
if you have this, the levels might not be super
(27:29):
high because they're saying that, but it's just a little
it's scary.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And like and what were they saying was the real
hold on, let me there're my notes down, so let
me fight it again. What they were saying, Oh, it
was linked to the cassava, which is a root vegetable
that they used to make the tapioca pearls. So I
wonder if other products with that too have the same issue.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
The thing is is that there's lead in there's lead
in our foods, and that's why you test for it
because it's kind of impossible to avoid. You just want
to make sure you're not having a lot of lead
exposure and it sucks because if it is really I mean,
like to their defense, it's low, and it's so low
(28:11):
that they're saying they don't have to issue a warning
on it. So it's like you're just kind of making
companies look bad and ruining their business, maybe for no reason.
But I guess it's good because in the next case,
for the next story we're going to talk about, it's
better for the Consumer Reports to be outward with the
(28:32):
information that they have to say, hey, we found it
here and it's dangerous and just use with caution, because
if it comes out in ten years from now that
Consumer Reports knew there was lead and didn't tell anyone,
and then people are having all these symptoms, then they
could be liable for not releasing it to the public.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well let's get into that. So new research from Israel
has linked a popular hair loss treatment in men with
a higher risk of mood disorders and suicidal thoughts, specifically Propecia,
which was approved by the US FDA in the nineties. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So, Propecia is a drug that's used for traditional male
pattern baldness, and it's also used for benign prosthetic hyperplasia,
which is a condition where the prostate land almost gets
So the prostate land in the male sits underneath of
the bladder and the urethra comes from the bladder, it
goes through the prostate and then goes out the penis.
(29:30):
So this is kind of a walnut shaped gland that's
surrounding the urethra. And sometimes you can get it's almost
equivalent to like fibroids in a woman in this prostate land,
and they could get big and nodular and they could
start squeezing the urethra. So when a man peas, it'll
kind of squirt out, and sometimes it could be so
(29:52):
bad that the pea can't get out. So this drug
is used for that to kind of make the prostate
gland chill out a little bit so a man's able
to pete without having that obstruction. But they they so
this is this is what's kind of crazy from this.
So it says that Propecia animal studies have shown long
term brain inflammation and changes to the hippocampus, which is
(30:15):
the brain center for learning, memory, and emotions. So in
twenty and eleven they added that depression was a side
effect of this drug, and not until twenty twenty two,
which was only three years ago. They added that suicidal
ideation is also linked with this drug. But when they
(30:38):
went back and looked at internal FDA documentation, it showed
that suicidal thoughts and behaviors went all the way back
to two thousand and ten. So for twelve whole years
they didn't come out with this information and let the
public know about this.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well. Also they found even more warnings going back to
two thousand in two, so you're talking about twenty three years.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, And I mean that that really sucks because especially
you know what the BPH is one thing if you have,
if you're having an anatomic problem with your prostate gland,
that is a reason to take this drug because otherwise
(31:23):
you're going to need surgery. And if you don't treat it,
the urine could back up into your bladder and cause bladderstones,
or it could back up all the way to your
kidneys and cause kidney infection. Like it could be really
it could be really bad and ultimately, I mean theoretically
it could kill you if you don't treat it. But
hair loss is cosmetic. I mean, it's a big deal
(31:46):
for men. Obviously, it's a big deal for women too
when it happens to them. But is it worth taking
a medication that might give you some suicidal ideations when
normally you wouldn't have had them.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Well, do you notice when you see these pharmaceutical commercials
on TV at the end, they'll just either say it
all really fast and it's like, oh, you might die
taking this medication. You're like, what are you gonna elaborate?
Or what what happens here?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
There's this one jardance, maybe one of those these diabetes drugs,
And at the end it's real quick like, and some
patients may cause a type of gangerine called foreignase gangerine
in the grain, but it is not common like that fast, right,
and nobody hears that. And I'm just like, do people
(32:33):
know what that is? Because it's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's absolutely people know what that is.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It's absolutely terrifying. It's this terrible infection that travels up
inside of your groin in between your muscle layers and
causes your skin. It's a flesh eating bacteria. You have
to get surgery to remove huge chunks of skin and
(32:57):
soft tissue in hopes that they can control the infection.
And sometimes it grows so large that there's so much
skin missing from your groin, so like your butt cheeks,
your crotch, like your thighs. You have to get skin
graft if you survive it, because it's highly deadly. And
I'm like, eh, don't brush this under the rug, Like,
(33:20):
if this happens to somebody, it's it's a huge deal.
And I know it's not common, but like, I don't know,
I would want to know the extent of that's a
big difference between just having nausea for a couple of days, right.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Well, yeah, And I mean that that's why there's like
Saturday Night Live skits and people on TikTok that always
are making fun of these commercials because they'll just glaze
over something like, oh, after you just watch the sixty
second commercial of people frolicking in a field of daisies
talking about how amazing this medication is, you might want
to kill your whole family after you take this, and
(33:55):
they just say it really fast at the end, like
it doesn't matter at all.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
And also I think about this, It's like, how many
dudes have taken this medication and have been in relationships
and killed themselves and had children all this stuff because
of a hair loss struck that they didn't even know
and their partners never got closure as to what happened
with them.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, this is why people have a lack of trust
in the FDA, because you're going back and you're saying
these internal documents going back to two thousand and two
to twenty ten or showing that they had some idea
that these issues were happening, and they just put the
label on it. What twenty years later? Yeah, what about
all the people in between those twenty years. This happens
(34:37):
with a lot of different drugs. Also, this happened with
cigarettes one hundred percent, right, I mean, well, yeah, there
was a lot of documentation with that too. So you
always have to wonder whenever they discontinue a drug, like
how long have they known about this? And it's just
it's not cool. And like I said earlier, our FDA
(34:59):
might not be putting out medications that are killing children
because the chemicals are not measured correctly or they're incorrect
chemicals are in the drug itself, but their shadiness going
on behind the scenes that is also putting our lives
in danger. No, totally. Well, on that note, good week
(35:22):
of episodes. We are going to be at Darkside, New
Jersey and Edison this Saturday, in two days. We cannot
believe it is here already. We can't everybody to cover
in that episode too. Yeah, as always with the live shows,
the most outrageous stories ever. And then of course followed
by a book signing so we'll get to meet some
of you guys too. We are so excited. We'll be
(35:43):
walking around shopping a little bit too, so that'll be
another Yes, it'll be awesome way to run into us,
but we can't wait. Please head over to Apple and
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Speaker 1 (36:00):
Guys, have a good weekend. We'll see you on Saturday hopefully.
Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
(36:22):
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
(36:44):
that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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