September 9, 2025 • 59 mins
We are back from Denver with all the juicy details about this year's CrimeCon! We talk about our experience as speakers, fangirling over other guests, and what the overall experience was like.
We also get into several stories, including a cheerleader arrested after an infant was found dead in her closet, a comedian's unusual pregnancy symptom, an attempted kidnapping at a major airport, a surgeon who was obsessed with amputation porn, and urgent care nurses who mocked their patients.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We just got back
from crime Con, so we want to tell you all
about it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh my god, it was the most fun ever.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
But I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I am so exhausted two days later and I still
feel like I cannot recover.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I feel the same way like I just called momm
and pop up yesterday. I didn't even call them when
I got home. I haven't even texted any of my friends.
I'm just like trying to recuperate.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, so I guess let's go day by day just
what happened so everybody could get a general sense. Of course,
it was the most fun time again. Last year we
had an absolute blast, but we were soon super nervous
because we had never been there before, and I felt
like it was a little hard to relax because I
didn't know what to expect. It was also my very
first time doing public speaking in front of a crowd
(01:10):
like that, so I just felt like I was gonna
throw up.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
The entire time.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But this time I think we went in a little
more relaxed.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You did you not? I did not? I was probably
more stressed out about this lecture than last time.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well it was a big lecture and you did it
without any notes, which everybody just could not believe, and
you killed it, so it was all worth it. But
maybe you felt like you were going to pass out
un till you went on stage, but it ended up
being totally fine.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, it was good. So all right, let's talk about
the first day we got there as the welcome party, so,
which is funny because I had kind of a really
outrageous shirt. But they so every time they do the
welcome party, they do a theme. So last year's theme
was like we were in Nashville, so it was just
like country music, yeah, which is which was difficult for
(02:02):
me too because that's definitely not my look, right, So
but then this year's was like vintage campfire camping kind
of thing. So I say, I'm downstairs and I saw
Doctor Pria who's on Zone seven with Cheryl McCollum and
Cheryl McCollum, and I was like, what are you guys
(02:24):
wearing for this camp out? Like I was trying to
like just see what they were wearing. And they're like,
what are you talking about? And I'm like there's a
theme tonight, and they're like, oh, how do you know that?
How do you guys know all this stuff? And I'm like,
it's a a femail, it's in the email, it's everywhere,
you know, as I've been saying to Cheryl all weekend,
hashtag old people anyway. So so yeah, so then I
(02:49):
was like, oh my god, nobody's going to dress up
and I'm wearing this shirt that's kind of outrageous, but
I didn't care. I was like whatever, I didn't have
anything else packed anyway. And then it was awesome though,
like everybody he was dressed up, so they were the
ones that stuck out like a sore thumb. Not us.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We are also just not the type of people to
ignore a theme. We are given the theme, we have
to do the theme. It's just something I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's like I get to use my creativity and stuff.
So but there were people dressed up like girl scouts
and and just like straight up looked like they were
going camping. It was amazing. Someone was dressed up like
a fire Oh that's all. I didn't see that though,
Oh yeah it was. I was really paying attention to
that because I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So it was really cool. Yeah, the kickoff party was awesome.
There were small stations everywhere. There was live music and
there looked like there was little tables where people were
making like campcrafts like friendship racelets and suff Yeah that
was cool. So that was really cool. At the party itself,
we ran into my girls Jess, Chelsea and Lynn. I
met them last year and they're so cool. We had
(03:50):
such a fun time. We saw Joe Scott at the party.
We hung out with doctor Priya a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Who else did we talk to there?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I felt like we we were with Caroline and her
dad Mike. They're the coolest ever. We ended up running
into them at the Philly airport and we were on
the same plane.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, they're the best. So we sat, we we saw
a lot of people and just got to meet a
lot of listeners. So it was just it was really
it was really great. So next day was our We
had a couple interviews. I guess we could post about
that when we know where they're located. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, in the morning, you had an interview at Tenderfoot TV.
So I don't know when that's coming out, but hopefully soon.
Then when we get the links to that. We also
did an interview with the US Sun, so that.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Both of those reporters were awesome. No, they were so nice. Yeah,
Like I really enjoyed doing both of those interviews. They
were really nice.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, John from Tenderfoot was really awesome. We tried to
do it before the convention opened because we had a
jam pack schedule and he was really flexible with us,
so we ended up going in this private room and
doing it, which was nice. I'm pretty sure he It
wasn't prepared for you getting stopped in the hallway a thousand.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Times trying to just walk to you. I know, I
felt bad, but I just I don't want to be
you know, I don't want to tell people now it's
only takes a second, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, totally, So those went really well.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
We did our notes.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, we were waking up at four or five
o'clock in the morning every day because at the time different,
so we ended up doing our notes really early in
the morning. That was really great. And then I wanted
to talk about this. So we didn't really get to
go to many sessions because we were just like all
over the place running around. But we saw Cheryl's wildlife
presentation and that was really cool, but unfortunately we can
(05:37):
only go for twenty minutes, so of course we're going
to for you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I don't even know if we told you this, but
there's an event in It's not in Lancaster. It's like
near Lancaster or Harrisburg area.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It's about an hour away from Hershey, an hour and
a half away from Lancaster. So it's in Halifax, Pennsylvania
at the Tobias Wildlife Park. So Cheryl is hosting a
whining Creme there and it's going to be super cool
all about wildlife stuff. I don't think this is a
topic that's been very explored within this world.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
No, and it's really really interesting. I don't know if
I ever told you this, but remember that show Doctor
Boden had called Autopsy like back in a long time ago,
I think it was the nineties. It was on HBO,
he did there was an episode there about a wildlife
CSI and I remember seeing it thinking it was so cool.
It was about some I believe it was an elk
(06:33):
or something that was in Yellowstone or one of the
National parks that went missing, and it was you know
how sometimes there's an animal that lives in one of
these parks that has a name and everybody knows who
it is and sees it, and it went missing and
someone ended up killing it, and how they were able
to track down who killed it and through taxidermists and
stuff like that. It was really really interesting. So for
(06:56):
any of you that are interested in that, Maria and
I are just going as attendees with my mom, but
we're not actually participating in the event. We're just going
to go see it just because it's interesting and we
love Cheryl, so especially if she's going to be pretty
close to us, we're going to go see her, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So we saw Cheryl and then we headed over to
podcast Bro for a little bit. We saw Tom Smith
from the gold Shields podcast, which.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We love him.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Who else did we run into that day? So you
met the one eight hundred autopsy guy.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, he was really cool, and the host of Pretty
Lies and Alibi, she was cool. I went up to
her and was like, I need to get a picture
with you from my mom because my mom's obsessed with you.
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Then when we went into our interview with the US side,
we saw Brian Eaton in the room and we were
both freaking out because we love his reporting and we
were like, sorry to geek out over you.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, he was cool. He was cool though. Yeah, that
was super awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Then, so a session I really wanted to see was
the Lori Vello one, which was before our live show,
so we couldn't go see it, unfortunately, but something crazy
happened there. So that session was hosted by natey And
who's the reporter of East Idaho News, and he received
a message from Laurie Valo to give to her son
Colby because he was doing the panel with Nate, and
(08:17):
that must have been insane to watch in the live audience.
Not knowing that was going to happen. We actually heard
them speaking about it a little bit in the speaker
room beforehand, and I was like, I need to know
what's going on, but they revealed it on stage. So
I guess Laurie found out about this panel. Of course,
she's in prison, so she sent Nate a message and
wanted Nate to tell Colby that she loves him no
(08:38):
matter what, and then said to ask him about Bible
Verse Matthew twenty five. So then on stage, Colby explained
that quote. It's her trying to talk about the wicked
and the good being sifted apart basically. So it's her
way of trying to say she is still good and
basically godly. How haunting is this? She used to be
getting messages from your mother in prison.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
She's just manipulative and wanted to like wanted attention, Like
she couldn't listen to this seriously, like psychologically, she didn't
want her son to be getting all of the attention
on stage, so she just had to have it about her. No, totally,
and it's it's just it goes along with the whole story. No, absolutely.
(09:20):
I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm just thinking she's such a scary person, and I'm
sure that guy doesn't want to be getting messages from
her in jail either, and then her son's trying to
do this thing and it's just like never ending. Yeah,
all right. So then onto our sessions. We went on stage.
We had the best time ever. We were a little
nervous going up, but it ended up being okay.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was it was a different setup than last year.
I actually liked this setup better. It was more like
a living room situation. I just the only thing that
I didn't like was that I was able to hear
my voice back, and that threw me off for a second.
But then once I got used to it, it was fine.
Just because I get distracted very easily.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think after a couple minutes, you just got used
to it, so it was whatever for both of us.
But I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna like
totally lose my train of tho on because I'm like
already up there and you're nervous. But everybody that was
there was so awesome. We were getting last we were
getting gasps in the audience. It was nice to have
that interaction because when we record normally, it's just us
talking to one another, so we don't know how you
(10:23):
guys are responding a yeah time.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It was cool, and we of course, after we do
this summary of events from crime Con, you guys could
listen to our.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Whole live episode. Yeah, so that was super cool. After that,
we got dinner and then we just kind of locked
ourselves in the hotel room because you needed to prepare
for the next day and we just needed like a
mental break.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Next Charyl called me and was like where are you,
And I'm like, I'm in the room for the night.
I'm I'm studying, leave me alone. I have a test tomorrow,
all right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So next morning we woke up really early. Your session
was at ten twenty, which was I think in the
second round of sessions that they And how did that
go for you?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It was awesome. I felt like, you know, the setup
was really really nice for a presenter, and I enjoyed it.
I was able to sit, which was really cool. My
lecture was right in front of me, and I was
able to see my slides and see what was coming
up next. And the lights the way the lights were
(11:24):
set up, I couldn't tell how many people were there,
which was great because it didn't trip me out a lot.
You know, I was able to just kind of zone
in and focus on my lecture. So and my clicker worked.
Everybody was great. That hooked me up with the mic,
and everybody that works at crime Con is awesome, Like
(11:44):
they're just so awesome. And we hung out with them
kind of a lot because we were backstage a lot
and just like walking from place to place and they're
just so great.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Everybody that works for crime Con or volunteers to work
is so nice. We did not have one single bad interaction.
Everybody was so kind. They ask you questions, they care,
they're prompt. You know. Kelly really was on it, and
she always.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Dude, Kelly's so funny. She walked by me like three
times and I was like yo, and then I was
like Kelly, like I was screaming at her, and she
just was so in her zone. She just didn't even
notice that anybody was there. It was so great. And
then I said to her and she's like, oh, I'm distracted.
I'm like, yeah, I know. It's it's awesome. She she
kills it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
As a fellow a typer. I really appreciate her work
because I know how many spreadsheets.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Probably go into this.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'm kind of jealous because we all know I love
a spreadsheet.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So you did your lecture.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I text the game and was like, oh, I think
there's like three four hundred people in here, and I
asked the guy backstage and he was like, no, this
room seats twelve hundred people and it was a packed house.
So that was super cool. Then we had the meet
and greet. That was really fun.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, that was fun too. That was fun for sure.
The craziest part of the meet and great is that
two separate people wanted me to sign their body so
they could get their my signature tattooed on them, which
I thought was outrageous. I kept saying, are you sure
you want to do that? Is this really something you
want to do? You know? So that was kind of cool.
And we met a lot of or we met I
(13:18):
should say a lot of people that we met last year.
We had some new people because one good thing is
that there's the Crime Con gift shop has books for sale,
so my book was for sale. So a lot of
people find me that have never followed Instagram or have
never listened to our podcast. They find us through the
(13:40):
book and then they come and meet us when they
never even knew who we were, or they just so
happened to show up to the podcast. So that was
really cool that we got some new people.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
After that, we got some quick lunch and then what
did we do after that? Then we had a private
meet and greet. So if you're a platinum VIP, you can,
I guess request to have a one on one for
a couple of minutes with any speaker you want. So
we did a couple of those. So that I'm trying
to like think time wise. Then we had our grocerom
meet up in the lobby, so that was that was
(14:15):
the best. Anybody going to crime con or just anybody
that lived in Denver could come hang out with us
for about an hour and a half and we just
went in a circle and we're like, what's your name?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
What do you do for work? It was so corny.
We were like, next year, we need name tags. But
it was It was really good because we got to
because some of the people that were there are like
our regulars, you know, we hear them, we see them
commenting a lot, and then some weren't that are just
like I don't really comment, but I'm here listening all
the time or reading all the time in the grosser room.
(14:46):
So that was just that was just super cool. A
couple people we've we've already known, so it just was
really comfortable and awesome how we were all talking. So
I'd like to do that more, honestly. It was really
awesome fun.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
No, definitely after that, we had the cocktail hour for
the Clue Awards, in which you got auctioned off.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, so I got auctioned off for Stacy Chapman's organization.
That's called Ethan Smiles, which is an organization she started
after her son was unfortunately murdered. He was one of
the Idaho four murdered by Brian Cooberger. So she started
this foundation. Her family members work there as well. If
(15:33):
you recall, he was a triplet and has two surviving siblings.
So this was a fundraiser for the foundation. And of
course I was like the least the smallest person on
the ticket because I'm standing up there next to someone
like Matt Murphy, so obviously people are gonna want to
(15:54):
stay with him more for sure, and he's just I
just love him. He's just such a sweetheart. So so yeah,
we did that, and then we ended up sitting with
someone that you know, bought Raffle tickets, which was really cool,
and we were at the table with some other people
too that everybody was really awesome there, and the award
dinner was cool too. Unfortunately, I really wanted to meet
(16:18):
John Walsh and I really wanted to meet Iced Tea,
and because I just like that was mainly I mean,
I've always loved ice Tea, but like mainly for both
of them. If I got pictures with them for Pop Pop,
he just it would have got me like pop Hoop
Street cred so, but when we were close to them
and oh god. So Schlepp was there For those of
(16:40):
you who don't know him, and I'm not one hundred
percent familiar with him, but apparently he's like a modern
day Chris Hansen. He goes on YouTube and is able
to find sex predators that are trying to recruit children.
It's it's really crazy. The kid's twenty two years old.
He's like, it's amazing. And I guess he started it
(17:01):
because he had his own situation and went from there.
But so I'm all like, on Chris Hansen to catch
a predator, love him right, And here my kids are like, oh,
I said, oh, I'm going. They were asking me who
was there and I said, oh, this guy Chris Hansen.
He does this show and they knew who he was
(17:22):
and they're like, oh my god, he works with Schlipp.
And I'm like, okay, is he going to be there?
And I said yeah. So I couldn't go to the
lecture because we were too busy with other obligations, and
I tried to meet up with him so because I said, really,
I'm going to get the most streak cred with my
children if I come home and I'm like, I met
this guy and have a picture with them, and unfortunately,
(17:44):
like I just couldn't find time to hook up with
them to get a picture. But yeah, like I'm really
interested in what he's doing. It's amazing. So he's doing
a lot of work with especially roadblocks, and they have
I guess they have a special coming about it, right
or is it a whole entire show.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, I saw that Chris Hansen was producing a documentary
exposing robe blocks. Yeah, so so I don't know when
it's coming out.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I just saw, Well, and when we get more details
about that, we'll we'll like promote it more because I
think that a lot of parents have kids that are
that age. And then Caroline who she went to the
lecture and she was like Nicole like it's worse than
I thought it was. And I'm like, oh my god.
So we're looking forward to seeing that documentary.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, maybe we could try to get him on the
show and he could talk.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, I mean that would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Then the kids will finally think you're cool. Yeah. I
facetimed Lilian when I was in the merch store trying
to see what she wanted, and they were just too
busy making fun of me and calling me a boomer,
and I'm like, well you just won't get anything.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Then I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
But we really had the greatest time ever. We met
some really cool people. We also met Beth Karaso that
I didn't want to bother her those It's just like,
can we take a picture really fast?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I know, And I was like, I'm sorry, I know
that you don't want to hear this, but whenever I
hear your voice, I just think of Jodiarius. Because seriously,
when when I was when I went out on maternity
leave because I was having high blood pressure, I was
like thirty seven weeks or whatever. I was sitting at
home all day waiting to have this baby and didn't
(19:27):
go until forty one and something, and like all I
did I was on like not bed rest, but semi
like put your feet up and don't do a lot
all day. And I just sat there every single day
and watched the Jody Arrius trial. So so like she
just reminds me of it, like just her talking about
it and summarizing it. It's just like I know, that's
(19:49):
been a long time for her. But that's you know
what I mean, that's just what she reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, when I went to the Court TV booth, they
had a picture of Jodi up and I was talking
to the woman working the booth and I'm like, Jody's
my favorite case ever and she was like, well, you
have to meet Vinnie Polatan and I didn't get to
and I'm bummed out because he covered it a lot.
So maybe next time, maybe we could have him on
to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And oh and we met Nancy Grace, like we actually
got a picture with her. That was like a huge
deal for us. So she and she's so cute.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
We did meet her last year, but it was a
very like back door we situation, so this time she
was in the speaker room with us and she was
so sweet. She's so sweet, she's been. She was sweet
to us last year too.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, she is. She's really awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So and we got our picture finally, so that was great.
We really had the best time ever. We were so
grateful to be there and everybody we worked with booking
us of course, Kevin Kelly, Elis, Leah Ali, everybody that
works there is so awesome and we really had a
fun time.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And next year it's going to be in a Viva Las.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Vegas, so that'll be great.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. I guess what
happens in crime con stays in crime Con. Speaking of
we all, we we were like just seeing all these people,
were like, I'm kind of interested in like crime con hookups.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Like, oh yeah, we have to know what happens.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I like, I just I know what's happening, So now
I want to know. Although there there are like it
is very uneven with the sex, is there? For sure?
Well as far as A ten d's go.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I was cranking up the first day because we've always
been talking about how it's like all these women and
it would be such a great place to meet somebody.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And then the first day when we were checking in
the hotel.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
There was all these like really hot soldiers walking around
and they planned this on purpose.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So many of them, like there was some kind of event.
They were outside all in the uniform and you're like, okay.
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If you love death, pop culture and breaking news, you
will love Mother Knows Death. Please welcome Mother Daughter duo
Nicole and Jimmy and Maria q Caine.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Hi, everyone, welcome to Mother Knows Death, our special live
edition at Crime Con. Today. We're going to talk about
the biggest story in the news this week, which is
a dead baby that was found in a cheerleader's closet
and attempted kidnapping in a Miami airport, a surgeon who
was addicted to amputation porn, and then we'll finish up
(23:13):
with urgent care staff who were all fired for making
fun of their patients. All that and more on today's episode.
Let's start so this story about the cheerleader. Let's talk
about that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
My God, who's heard of this story with this cheerleader?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, all of you have.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Of course, we figured that, okay, So let me introduce
the story for those of you who haven't heard. So.
A senior cheerleader at the University of Kentucky has been
arrested after police found an infant wrapped in a towel
and placed inside a black trash bag in her closet.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
When situations like this happen, it is typically a younger
woman who's not married, and the baby is found wrapped
in a bunch of different stuff, and it's usually found
dead and decomposed. But in this situation, she had the baby,
they they found it or something.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So I guess I'm kind of confused about this part
of the story because they're saying that police got a
call of an unresponsive infant on August twenty seventh, so
that was just last Wednesday, And then the coroner is
now saying they believe the child was born on that
same day, but no article can figure out who called
the police at day or they haven't released that information yet.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So was it her?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Did a roommate go in the room and stumble upon this?
Was it? The baby's father I'm having a really hard
time understanding that detail.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
This is my theory because sometimes when that happened. Usually
when that happens, it's like I said, the baby's found
in a bag, but it's usually decomposed, which means it's
been there for a while and someone smells it, unfortunately,
and that's how they found it. But in other cases,
when they figure out when a woman has done this,
it's because she's given birth and she's had some kind
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of an issue where she has to go to the hospital. Okay,
and that could be a possibility that that's what happened.
She was having like postpartum hemorrhage or something like that,
and that could be how she presented to the hospital.
And obviously any doctor in the emergency room is going
to be like this chick just gave birth, Like where's
the baby, you know, and then yeah, it's going to
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go down like that.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well, how are they able to determine the age of
the baby, because they're saying they believe the baby was
born on that day that the call came in.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, so when the baby goes to the medical examiner's office,
they could do a bunch of different things to figure
out the gestational age obviously, So the mom actually admitted
to giving birth to this baby and doing this. Yeah,
so she is semi cooperating, so obviously they could ask her.
But we don't even know if she knew she was pregnant.
(25:44):
So that's which a lot of people don't even think
that that's possible, but it happens all the time. There
was like a whole TV show called I Didn't Know
I Was pregnant?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, remember was it last week or the week before?
We had a story about a woman on vacation in Toronto.
She thought she had diary, went on the toilet and
gave birth to a full blown, healthy, full turn baby,
which like I just can't imagine happening straight up.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Came out of the bathroom and.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Was like, oh, but she had other children and she
didn't feel any signs of being pregnant at all.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, so I mean that's the bonus on vacation with
a new baby. Well, it depends, it depends on how
you look at that, yes, but.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, So they ended up arresting her and she admitted
to giving birth, cleaning it up and hiding all of
the evidence along with the child in the trash bag
and hiding it in her room and she didn't get
arrested until a couple of days later. Wait, so we
didn't talk about you say sorry, So back to how
they go, back to how they know the agent.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Okay, so they could do. So what they do is
measurements on the external. So the external exam is when
you look at the baby just laying on the table
and you do measurements. So you would do weight, and
then you would do what is called crown to romp,
so that's the head to the butt, and then you
would do crown to heal, so that would be the
head to the heel. And those measurements. We have a
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chart that says each week gestation of what size they
should be. And that's the same thing that they're doing
when you're pregnant too. They're measuring all of those things.
But on top of that, we could do X rays
and we could measure the humorous and we could look
for ossification centers inside of the bones to see how
old the fetus is. So that's important because we don't
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know how far along she was. She could have just
naturally had a miscarriage and been twenty weeks or something
like that, and a baby or a fetus can't survive
at twenty weeks, so I think that it would be
a little bit of a different charge if she gave
birth to this baby that she didn't try to save
its life and put it in a trash bag versus
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one that had the possibility of being viable.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Do you think, based on the media's wording of it, however,
because they're calling the child an infant, if she did
an early miscarriage, would they refer to the baby as
a fetus?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
No, that I don't think, so, Okay, that's why I
think that it's pretty sure that it is.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It was as full term, being it was a bunch
not it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Necessarily have to be full term. But they believe that
the baby would have been able to live and breathe
on its own if not for what she did, which
is important because when in that situation, well, the next
thing that we're going to talk about is how we
could determine if the baby was came out dead or
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was a stillborn. So a stillborn is just another word
for a miscarriage, but a stillborn happens after twenty or
twenty one weeks of pregnancy, so before that they call
it a miscarriage. After that they call it a stillborn.
So if she just so happened to give birth to this,
even if it was a full term infant and it
was already dead, then she wouldn't get in trouble for that,
(28:56):
I don't think so, just maybe not disposing human means
properly or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, the charges are interesting because the charges are abuse
of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence, and concealing the
birth of an infant. So I guess the question we
have to ask is why did this happen? Of course,
there's laws at play. Abortion is illegal in Kentucky. She
did have a boyfriend. We don't really know much about
him at this time. We know his social media has
(29:23):
been deleted.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, and there's a lot of pictures on just circulate
him online because obviously there's so many online sleuths now
and there's pic you know, every when everyone hears this,
they immediately go to someone's social media and look at
all the pictures. So she was in this special cheerleading
group that did acrobatics and stuff, and so one theory
(29:46):
is just like, well, if she was pregnant, she would
they the university definitely would not have let her do
that because it's it's a dangerous sport. It's actually in
the top twenty dangerous sports for head injuries and things
like that. So the school would have been like, you're
not doing that pregnant. But there's pictures of her doing
this sport and she looks pregnant, like every I mean,
(30:10):
just if you look at a hard time with that,
because I'm like.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
On certain days, if I eat certain meals, I could
look like I'm six months long.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
No, And I totally understand that. It's just like in
hindsight though, she's a thin, fit woman that does gymnastics essentially,
and then her shirt is tight and she just has
that very classic appearance. And now you're hearing buzz that
a lot of her family and friends were like chatting
about it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well. It is interesting because people also posted pictures earlier
this afternoon what appeared to be a maternity issue, and
a lot of people are arguing it was just nice
couple photos. But there's one pose in particular where they're
laying on the grass and the boyfriend's holding onto her
stomach and I don't think, you know, I wouldn't take
that picture with my husband in a normal situation. So
(30:59):
I'm just having a hard time placing myself in that scenario.
Also on TikTok only in June, she had posted a
video and put goals and then put an emoji of
the mom holding a baby, which.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Is kind of unusual. Yeah, so I don't know, I
don't know what's going on with that. But so they'll
do the autopsy and they'll try to determine if this
baby was indeed still born or if it was born alive,
because that's gonna have a lot to do with any
charges obviously. So the way that we can tell that
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at autopsy is when you when you look at the baby. Sometimes, well,
they already did the autopsy and they looked at the baby,
and they said they didn't see anything, which means that
they didn't see any obvious signs of trauma. If she
did something like a blunt trauma, hit the baby with
an instrument or something, or tried to strangle the baby,
nothing like that. I hate even saying these things out
(31:55):
loud because they're so disturbing, But nothing like that was seen.
If she did put the baby alive inside of the bag,
then you might not really see anything at least at
the autopsy itself. But one interesting thing that you could
sometimes see, especially in a baby that's fresh, freshly been dead,
(32:17):
not decomposed, is that you could see if their lungs
look a little bit different if they've taken a breath.
And when you take the lungs out, they're usually like
more inflated looking and they look puffier as opposed to
if the baby never took a breath, they would be
kind of like smaller and heavier. And sometimes you could
(32:38):
actually take those lungs out and put them in water
and they would float if they had air in them,
because though the lung is almost like a sponge, it's
a really really cool organ So they're waiting for the
microscopics to come back on that and then they'll be
able to determine more because there are different changes that
you could see in the alveola or the air sacks
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of the lung, and you could also see air and
the lung. It's not a tell sign, but along with
the investigation and what she says, that could really help
them determine if the baby was born alive and what
she did.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, I guess I'm confused today too, because she pleaded
not guilty, but then she had told them everything that happened.
So she's been released on one hundred thousand dollars bond,
put on house arrests with no monitor at her parents'
home in Tennessee. Obviously, she had to drop out of
school because can't go to school across states. And I
don't know if they're going to want this whole craziness
attached to them, So I don't know. We cover these
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stories from time to time, and they're just really horrible
to hear about. You don't want to think about somebody
doing something like this. I was really disturbed by her mugshot.
She just seems like annoyed to be there, not sad
or disturbed or in distress or anything. And I just
have a hard time putting myself in that person's shoes,
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I feel like I could speak from this a little
bit personally because when I I got pregnant with you,
I was in ninth grade and I remember, like I mean,
I was way younger than she is, obviously, but I
just remember this certain like denial of like I like
I knew something was up, but like I did, I
didn't want my life to stop kind of and but
(34:18):
but like I feel like like I cause I kind
of waited a long time to tell mom.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Mom.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I feel like a long time. I was like for
way further along, you know, because then I was like,
oh shit, I'm in trouble, Like I need to tell
my mom. But I was scared, you know, like it
was just something I didn't I didn't really want to
deal with. But so you could imagine that if she
was in college and had a boyfriend and and was
doing the cheerleading competition and things were going well, that
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this might have been going on in her body, but
she was just totally disconnected from it or something like that.
You know. Yeah, I don't know. We'll bring you an update.
We say this all the time. We always hear well
about I never know what's always going to happen to
as soon as we walk out of this room, there's
going to be a major break in the case. It
happens every single time we record.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
If you see it shouted out, we want to.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
We might have to have like an emergency session.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
The worst audio ever will do voice memo in the
hotel room editing.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
All right, let's talk about this blue vulva.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Okay, So in June, comedian Catherine Ryan announced she was
expecting her fourth child, and recently, while in the Nearly
Parents podcast, she revealed that she's experiencing this very unusual
side effect.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I don't know if it's that unusually, are you sure?
I've never heard of this, what having a blue vulva?
So she just let's talk about this. She was pregnant,
So that's that's a huge clue. Okay, So when you're pregnant,
you have more blood in your body. That's number one,
because it's supplying more nutrients, and so your veins are
just working overtime anyway. So your veins are the ones
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that are bringing the blood back up to your heart.
And then you have hormones that make your them more
elastic and loose, so they stretch out more and they
have to work a little bit harder to get that
blood back up to your heart. And then finally you
have this big, heavy uterus that is pushing on them
and compressing them. It's making the blood harder to get
(36:17):
back up to your heart. So what happens is it
starts backing up. Have you ever heard of a pregnant
woman having hemorrhoids? Yeah, yes, that's what it is. Okay, okay,
So hemorrhoids are varicos veins in your butt, and this
is vericosveins in your vulva, So it goes away then, yeah,
it should go away with with delivery. Wait, so, well,
(36:38):
I don't know. Sometimes they around for a while after
but they but a lot of times, Yeah, it could
be delivery is the cure?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Well, she said, my vagina, or my vulva rather is
blue blue lace of smurf, like an avatar vedge.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So we can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And I liked what this one commenter said on this
podcast too. Can we normalize talking about our anatomy. If
you've listened to our show, you probably know all the
ins and outs and TMI about our bodies because we
have been a problem talking about the most are end.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I've never had a blue badge, I have it, but
we do have a case on our website of it.
And it looks this woman has such big varico spins
and she said that she really had a hard time
with the like itch it's so it's a lot of
a feeling of pressure but itchy. It's the same symptoms
that you get with hemorrhoids. Like, yeah, you know that
gross you know. Let me tell you guys a funny
(37:33):
hemorrhoids story. We were so my so my little one
who is twelve, her friend. Her friend was over and
the mom came and picked her up. So we were
just talking and luckily I'm like friendlier with this mom,
like I've known her for a couple of years. And
an Amazon order gets delivered. So my kids just decide
(37:54):
to go on the porch and open it and they
pull out hemorrhoid cream like like it was so embarrassed,
and I was like and they're like, Mom, what's this for?
And I was just like, because I had three kids, dude,
like I have issues sometimes.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Sorry, they'll learn one day with our genetics.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, I can't wait, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
At a Miami airport or at a Miami airport. At
the Miami Airport, this woman was in the checkout line
with her four year old son who was crying.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Another woman came up to them.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Offered to keep the boy calm or try to help
him calm down, which the mother agreed to. So this
complete rando picks up this woman's child and basically runs
away and refuses to give the kid back, and he
is like, this is my kid now?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, and what it's it's crazy, right, But from like
a security perspective, you didn't see any of this go down,
so you're just like, what's happening right now? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
So the mother is trying to get her child back
and this stranger is saying, no, this is my child
and then proceeds to wrap her arms and legs around him.
Which how traumatic is this for a boy that's you know,
he's already having a meltdown and then you have this
completely random woman doing this to you. So then a
bystander ended up getting involved and was able to rescue
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the boy, but.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
She had a hide behind a counter. Yeah, it's really crazy.
We have a lot of stories recently that were just
like the people not realize that there's cameras everywhere, like
they probably went and looked at the footage, especially in
an airport like hold on.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think also when you're a mom and your kids
freaking out just so bad and anybody just caught I mean,
you could speak to this more, but when anybody's offering
you help and you're in an airport, which is an
incredibly stressful situation in general, and then your kids screaming,
and you see another woman come up and is like, oh,
I could help. You Just think that they're gonna be
helpful and not try to abduct your child.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
It is really I don't even understand what happened there.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
She's really lucky she didn't run out the door because
it was before the security gate. I mean that could
have went really wrong.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah she could. Yeah, you're right. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
The whole thing just really stresses me out to think about.
And thank god this other this other woman that got
involved was a mother too, and she was like I
just was was a mom and I just had to
jump in and do something and help.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Ugh, people are crazy guys.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Just then, speaking to crazy, you're really not gonna believe
this one. A UK surgeon has been sentenced to jail
time after his quote sexual obsession with amputations led him
to removing his own legs.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
So this guy and we have we always have stories
about doctors, which are like one of the most difficult
fields of any kind of academics. I mean sometimes if
you really you have to do undergrad four years, and
then you have to do medical school four years, and
then you have to do fellowships and internships and residencies,
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and usually you don't even get your real job until
you're in your mid thirties. It's a lot, it's a
lot of work. And that's if you go straight out
of high school. So you think, like, why why are
these people doing things like this to ruin their career.
It's just nuts. So he was a vascular surgeon and
(41:17):
I don't know he was found to I guess he
got found because he was going on all these weird
porn sites.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, this investigation is truly insane. So in twenty twenty three,
police were investigating this guy who ran this extreme body
mutilation website called Unich Maker. You guys know I have
pronunciation issues too, but I'm just thinking, this website exists,
and it seems like it was up for a while,
(41:43):
and these people are making pornographic videos cutting their genitals off.
So they were investigating this website and came across the
surgeon who had purchased multiple videos off of this site,
and then saw that he also exchanged fifteen hundred messages
with the guy running the site about how he amputated
(42:04):
his own legs and basically committed this massive insurance fraud
on top of it, so they had to look into
that guy. He ended up stealing over six hundred thousand
dollars between two insurance companies. How are you going to
brag about doing this? I think you're not getting caught.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I just remembered about this thing I wrote about a
couple of years ago. I totally forgot. I came across
a weird like subreddit page of guys that were caught
and off their own balls. That's never a good place
to be, and like it's not, but like I had
to look, like I had to look. So so I
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was looking at that and I just reading the post
and there was like ten thousand members in this group
talking about like injecting their balls with like chemicals to
self castraate and all of this stuff cutting them off.
So there's a whole field of this. Okay, so how
did this guy do it? Oh? So this particular guy,
I don't know, so because I was going to talk
(43:02):
about this too. There's something called body integrity dysphoria, which
is where people are born and they think that they
should be handicapped. It's it's really crazy. So they think
that they should be amputees, and they think they should
be blind and they want to have a surgeon like
remove their eyes, and it's but there's not it doesn't
(43:23):
seem that there's a sexual component to that. But the
obviously there's a lot of controversy abound. But there's people
that that get their let their limbs and their fingers
and stuff cut off that are perfectly healthy and like
want to be in a wheelchair. So obviously the controversy
is like, number one, that's just not cool to do
to handicap people. Number Two, what about like health insurance,
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life insurance, disability insurance, Like should they be eligible for
disability insurance if they gave themselves the disability. So this guy,
I don't know, I don't know why he wanted to
cut off his his own legs. Well, I mean did
they say why.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, they said he suffered from body dysmorpheus since childhood
and his feet were quote an unwelcome extra and persisting,
never ending discomfort to him.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, So I don't I just don't even understand what's
happening here. But this guy, so he wanted to get
his legs amputated. So usually if you go to any
surgeon and you want to have like a perfectly healthy
body part cut off. They're like, I'm not doing that.
So he went He decided to take matters into his
own hands, and he put his legs in ice and
(44:37):
dry ice and basically gave himself frostbite to the point
where he had to have both of his legs amputated,
which I imagine was extremely painful. But on top of that,
so he goes to the hospital with bilateral like two
legs gangerine black from having frostbite, and convinces them at
(44:59):
the hospital that he has sepsis, which is a bacterial
infection that goes throughout your blood and spreads to your organs.
And I don't know why they just like took his
word for it, like they didn't do any work up
at the hospital. I guess because he was a surgeon.
I just want to say, oh, that's just weird, like
it's you wouldn't hurt.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I trusted another medical professional. Also side note, he was
performing hundreds of amputation procedures on other pages.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
If you have sepsy, like listen, obviously the guy wasn't
walking into the hospital anyway with his black legs. But
if you have sepsis, you're not like you're not just
like totally fine to just be like, I have sepsis,
Like you're you're like borderline in a coma, like you're
really sick. I don't know what happens in the UK.
I mean, weird things go down. The body is the
same here though, as it is in the UK. I
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don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So he gets six hundred and twenty five thousand American
dollars value from the insurance companies and then proceeds to
spend that money on an RV home improvement's a hot tub,
along with gifts to his wife and other works.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
So I just don't understand this whole thing. I guess
because it was a fetish.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And then the hospital made some statement that his actions
didn't impact affect his professional life at all. But this
guy is performing amputations and buying amputation porn.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
You don't think he's.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Going home and being discussing, you know, after working.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
For the day. Yeah, Like, I'm really disturbed by that.
And think about all his patients that know this now
that are amputees that are like, oh god, he was
touching my stump. Like there's actually like a whole entire.
That's another thing. I had a case one time of
a guy that was having sex with his wife and
she had like wood splinters in her vagina when she
(46:44):
went to the hospital, and it was because he was
like sticking his like prosthetic stump inside of her. Like wow, yeah,
that's a thing like amputee. Like, well, clearly this website
had everything. I don't know it. Yeah, it's it's really disturbing.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
And you know what, he went to jail for insurance fraud,
so it would they have caught him if he wasn't
practice This is my question.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I know it's weird, but like if you want to
stick your stump in someone's vagina, Like, why is that illegal?
It shouldn't be do whatever you want. Like, what's the
illegal part of the porn?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
No, I'm no, it's the porn. Well, I guess it's
because it was promoting self mutilation. So I think the
problem I have with it is that he clearly had
a fetish with it. So is he like doing that
and then going in his office and like getting busy,
you know, Like I don't know. I just think it's
really disturbing, but it is. He's going to jail for
(47:41):
only two years and eight months.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Real nice, what's up? What the jail sentences.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
By the way, we are so aggravated all the time
by the jail sentences. They'll be like, somebody got a
dui and killed somebody, they get two months probation.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Well, and then you guys are all familiar with the
Emmanuel Harrow one that we've been covering for a couple
of weeks. That was the little baby that was kidnapped
from outside of a sporting goods store from his mother, right,
and then they ended up saying that she said he
was kidnapped. Ye, that's why I did my little air ques.
(48:17):
But we were just saying today actually that that case
has kind of fallen off a little bit because they
were all on it. But I guess they said I
guess the latest is that the dad admitted in jail
that he put the baby in a trash can. So
maybe they just think that they're never going to be
able to find the body. I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, this story is weird because it was all over
and then I think because it gets so highly publicized
that things get lost, because I didn't even see that
until you told me about it, and I was actively
researching at the time.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
And I guess the reason that I'm bringing it up
right now is because you know their child was clearly
I think anyway just by looking at the kid that
he looked like he had signs of abuse and particularly
like some kind of a head trauma, like a shaken
baby syndrome or something like that. But before that, this guy,
(49:10):
this dad they say abused his child. He did not
abuse that child. He tried to kill that child, and
the kid has lifelong suffering. If you went up to
a stranger on the street and beat them within an
inch of their life and they survived and had to
be in a wheelchair the rest of your life, you
(49:30):
would go to jail for a really long time, if
not for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
I just don't understand it because you have cases like
that where this guy basically killed a child, and it's
like one thing if you're killing another adult, obviously super
wrong also, but if you're doing that to a child,
I just think you're like, It's what Cheryl was kind
of talking about in her session earlier, how you can
tell somebody the most disturbing details of a case, but
when you know they attacked an animal, you're like, what's
(49:57):
wrong with them? It's kind of the same way I
feel about babies. You're an extra terrible person if you
do something to a child, and that person will get
no jail time. And then I think of these dumb
reality stars that defraud banks and they get like fifteen
years in prison.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I just will never understand it, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Or they'll let super dangerous people get out on bond.
Remember the mother that supplied her teenage son with all
the weapons to execute a mass shooting. Yeah, why is
she even allowed to get out?
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Don't just do something else again?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
They found a photo on her phone of her pointing
a shotgun at her three year old.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Terrible is going on? So j Carrow only got only
got one hundred and eighty days in jail, and then
they only made him serve one day. And that so
his daughter. He beat her so bad that she's blind,
she's in a wheelchair. She will need lifelong care. She
has a feeding tube and all this stuff. And I
(50:57):
just can't wrap my brain around it. I can't. You
know what you just said though, that reminded me of
something totally different about the dog situation. What I did
a celebrity. I wrote a celebrity death disseection on Jane Mansfield,
which I'm going to talk about in my lecture a
little bit tomorrow too, but not this particular topic. So
I show all of these picture she was in this
(51:17):
horrific car accident that sheared the top of the car
off and and her her head her brain was evulsed
from her skull and like very bloody, messy scene. And
in that post I posted a picture of her dog
died in the accident, and people like wanted to slice
my throat because of that. They're like, oh, dead woman
(51:39):
head on the dashboard. Fine, dead dog, It's off limits.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Like it's all the time on our website, you know.
I think the most backlash we got was the carnival one,
because we had posted some pictures of animals that were
or not at a carnival at the circus, like old pictures.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, they can see.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
The worst of the worst photographs, but when it comes
to an we'll forget it.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah that's true, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
So let's get into our last story. So nurses at
a California urgent care have been fired after taking photos
with bodily fluids from patients and posting them on TikTok
making fun of them.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Did you guys see this video. Everybody saw it. Yeah,
this is the thing with viral videos.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Like so for those of you that aren't familiar with this,
if you just need to visualize, especially if you're a woman,
you know, you go to the obgin, you lay down
on the table, you're in an extremely vulnerable position.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
You just comes out. It just happens. Whatever fluids are
coming out. They also use ky jelly. Yeah, it's it's juicy,
like you know, they give you a wipe and they're
like you're getting ultrasound.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
They're sticking that medieval contraption in you, like a bunch
of stuff's going down there. So of course fluids are
coming out. Think about going home later and just scrolling
TikTok and then seeing your nurse that just tended to
you earlier that day posing with what's possibly your fluids
on the exam table.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
It's it's so weird, right.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
It's weird to even take the pictures. Why would you
even want to take the pictures with the fluid? And
then I'm looking through these photos and there's eight employees.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, and that's what I was thinking too. I'm just like,
there's eight people, all like educated but nurses, assistants. I
don't know if there was any doctors there, pas, whatever,
And you're like they all thought that this was a
good idea to do this. I don't. I just don't understand.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
And they're making captions like make sure you leave your
healthcare workers sweet little gifts like these. What's wrong with
these people?
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Really? They're likely never going to get a job in
healthcare again, why would you ever hire somebody? And it's
the same exact thing, like you just threw away all
of your education and all of your job experience for that,
like the social media and wanted to do the viral
video thing, like seriously, like this is not the first
time we talked about this, Like it scares me that
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nobody thought that that was not going to be a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Well yeah, I mean the high my mentality going on
with that group of people is extremely concerning. And it
seems like the videos were old.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
But I just I just don't get Like, I don't
get it. It's not even because it's supposed to be funny,
like what I was saying, this is my theory.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
What So they're claiming a former employee who hadn't worked
there for two months like went rogue and just posted
them all and I'm thinking they had a group chat
and they were sending them to each other, and then
she probably got fired or something and was like, f
all you people, I'm exposing all of you, getting everybody
at drown. It's still like it's still weird and I
don't even like listen like I understand. I feel like
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I understand things that are funny, Like I I send.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Funny pictures to people all the time. I just like
if someone sent that to me, I'd be like I
wouldn't even I'd be like, oh, yeah, like, oh, I
went to the dentist and I got some blood on
the on the little bib they put on me, Like ooh,
it's so like it's so your I don't know, Like
just I just don't understand it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I think when you're a woman in particular, and you're
at that kind of a doctor's appointment where you're like,
you know, spread eagle on the table, it's already massively uncomfortable,
it's vulnerable in general, and then to know these people
are making fun of you behind your back for something
your body just so naturally does.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
It's just the weirdest thing ever. Yeah, don't. I don't know.
I do when I go though, when I see that,
I usually like rip the paper and throw.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
It in the I think everybody's going to at this
point because you're gonna be worried that I don't understand,
because it's not even just gen Z. It's like millennials
and a lot of boomers too, like momm listing her
bras on Facebook marketplace just she did.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
My mother did this. You know, we have this theory.
Maria was going to start this social media page called
Boomer's Gone Wild cause like we have so many people
in our life that they just don't really understand how
Facebook works. Like really they don't understand that. Like everybody
could see it for some reason. And my mom's like
they were perfectly good bras. I didn't want to throw
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them away.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
The best was on one post it said make your
first name fuck and make the first four letters of
your last name fuck and write it and she puts fuck,
fuck teary, and we're like, we screenshot it, and she goes,
how did you see that? And like your coworkers saw
it too.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
We love it, like we send it to all of
our like cousins and stuff. It's just great. We're just
like this is and it comes up all the time,
Like I think I even saved this her picture in
my phone, like because you had.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
We're just like, yeah, she's doing it all the time.
But I guess just my point is, I'm really concerned
about just people being so quick to post things on
social We've had videos in the past where we had
that one with there was a school shooting and a
girl was literally taking a video of the gunshots. I'm like, hello,
a person bleeding on the ground that oh, yeah, there
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was a person bleeding on She was like.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
Folding her Starbucks cup and walking by. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
There's videos of people getting just hit by buses and
they're like, you know, twitching on the ground and someone's like, oh,
let me put this on TikTok instead of trying to
help you.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah. I don't know, especially in healthcare though, It's like
I don't know if any of you guys work in healthcare,
but it is drilled in your head from day one,
multiple times a day, like not to do anything like
that hip. And I guess technically that's not a hip
of violation, but it's like you could figure out where
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those nurses work and that place and then any like
if I was a patient there between that time, I'd
be like, Oh cool, is that like my badge lip
print on the paper? Like that's going viral right now.
I want credit for that.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
I believe what happened was the video got posted on TikTok,
and then it got posted in a Reddit, and somebody said,
I know where that is because they knew the people
in the video, and they are the ones that reported
it directly, so it got removed, and the person that
put most it made their account private. But the Internet's forever, sweetheart,
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So I don't know. I don't know what you're thinking,
all right, guys, Well, thank you so much for coming
to our session today.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We just got back
from crime Con, so we want to tell you all
about it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh my god, it was the most fun ever.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
But I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I am so exhausted two days later and I still
feel like I cannot recover.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I feel the same way like I just called momm
and pop up yesterday. I didn't even call them when
I got home. I haven't even texted any of my friends.
I'm just like trying to recuperate.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, so I guess let's go day by day just
what happened so everybody could get a general sense. Of course,
it was the most fun time again. Last year we
had an absolute blast, but we were soon super nervous
because we had never been there before, and I felt
like it was a little hard to relax because I
didn't know what to expect. It was also my very
first time doing public speaking in front of a crowd
(01:10):
like that, so I just felt like I was gonna
throw up.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
The entire time.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
But this time I think we went in a little
more relaxed.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You did you not? I did not? I was probably
more stressed out about this lecture than last time.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well it was a big lecture and you did it
without any notes, which everybody just could not believe, and
you killed it, so it was all worth it. But
maybe you felt like you were going to pass out
un till you went on stage, but it ended up
being totally fine.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, it was good. So all right, let's talk about
the first day we got there as the welcome party, so,
which is funny because I had kind of a really
outrageous shirt. But they so every time they do the
welcome party, they do a theme. So last year's theme
was like we were in Nashville, so it was just
like country music, yeah, which is which was difficult for
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me too because that's definitely not my look, right, So
but then this year's was like vintage campfire camping kind
of thing. So I say, I'm downstairs and I saw
Doctor Pria who's on Zone seven with Cheryl McCollum and
Cheryl McCollum, and I was like, what are you guys
(02:24):
wearing for this camp out? Like I was trying to
like just see what they were wearing. And they're like,
what are you talking about? And I'm like there's a
theme tonight, and they're like, oh, how do you know that?
How do you guys know all this stuff? And I'm like,
it's a a femail, it's in the email, it's everywhere,
you know, as I've been saying to Cheryl all weekend,
hashtag old people anyway. So so yeah, so then I
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was like, oh my god, nobody's going to dress up
and I'm wearing this shirt that's kind of outrageous, but
I didn't care. I was like whatever, I didn't have
anything else packed anyway. And then it was awesome though,
like everybody he was dressed up, so they were the
ones that stuck out like a sore thumb. Not us.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We are also just not the type of people to
ignore a theme. We are given the theme, we have
to do the theme. It's just something I love it.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's like I get to use my creativity and stuff.
So but there were people dressed up like girl scouts
and and just like straight up looked like they were
going camping. It was amazing. Someone was dressed up like
a fire Oh that's all. I didn't see that though,
Oh yeah it was. I was really paying attention to
that because I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
So it was really cool. Yeah, the kickoff party was awesome.
There were small stations everywhere. There was live music and
there looked like there was little tables where people were
making like campcrafts like friendship racelets and suff Yeah that
was cool. So that was really cool. At the party itself,
we ran into my girls Jess, Chelsea and Lynn. I
met them last year and they're so cool. We had
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such a fun time. We saw Joe Scott at the party.
We hung out with doctor Priya a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Who else did we talk to there?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I felt like we we were with Caroline and her
dad Mike. They're the coolest ever. We ended up running
into them at the Philly airport and we were on
the same plane.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, they're the best. So we sat, we we saw
a lot of people and just got to meet a
lot of listeners. So it was just it was really
it was really great. So next day was our We
had a couple interviews. I guess we could post about
that when we know where they're located. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, in the morning, you had an interview at Tenderfoot TV.
So I don't know when that's coming out, but hopefully soon.
Then when we get the links to that. We also
did an interview with the US Sun, so that.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Both of those reporters were awesome. No, they were so nice. Yeah,
Like I really enjoyed doing both of those interviews. They
were really nice.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, John from Tenderfoot was really awesome. We tried to
do it before the convention opened because we had a
jam pack schedule and he was really flexible with us,
so we ended up going in this private room and
doing it, which was nice. I'm pretty sure he It
wasn't prepared for you getting stopped in the hallway a thousand.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Times trying to just walk to you. I know, I
felt bad, but I just I don't want to be
you know, I don't want to tell people now it's
only takes a second, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, totally, So those went really well.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
We did our notes.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know, we were waking up at four or five
o'clock in the morning every day because at the time different,
so we ended up doing our notes really early in
the morning. That was really great. And then I wanted
to talk about this. So we didn't really get to
go to many sessions because we were just like all
over the place running around. But we saw Cheryl's wildlife
presentation and that was really cool, but unfortunately we can
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only go for twenty minutes, so of course we're going
to for you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I don't even know if we told you this, but
there's an event in It's not in Lancaster. It's like
near Lancaster or Harrisburg area.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It's about an hour away from Hershey, an hour and
a half away from Lancaster. So it's in Halifax, Pennsylvania
at the Tobias Wildlife Park. So Cheryl is hosting a
whining Creme there and it's going to be super cool
all about wildlife stuff. I don't think this is a
topic that's been very explored within this world.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
No, and it's really really interesting. I don't know if
I ever told you this, but remember that show Doctor
Boden had called Autopsy like back in a long time ago,
I think it was the nineties. It was on HBO,
he did there was an episode there about a wildlife
CSI and I remember seeing it thinking it was so cool.
It was about some I believe it was an elk
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or something that was in Yellowstone or one of the
National parks that went missing, and it was you know
how sometimes there's an animal that lives in one of
these parks that has a name and everybody knows who
it is and sees it, and it went missing and
someone ended up killing it, and how they were able
to track down who killed it and through taxidermists and
stuff like that. It was really really interesting. So for
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any of you that are interested in that, Maria and
I are just going as attendees with my mom, but
we're not actually participating in the event. We're just going
to go see it just because it's interesting and we
love Cheryl, so especially if she's going to be pretty
close to us, we're going to go see her, all right.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So we saw Cheryl and then we headed over to
podcast Bro for a little bit. We saw Tom Smith
from the gold Shields podcast, which.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
We love him.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Who else did we run into that day? So you
met the one eight hundred autopsy guy.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, he was really cool, and the host of Pretty
Lies and Alibi, she was cool. I went up to
her and was like, I need to get a picture
with you from my mom because my mom's obsessed with you.
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Then when we went into our interview with the US side,
we saw Brian Eaton in the room and we were
both freaking out because we love his reporting and we
were like, sorry to geek out over you.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, he was cool. He was cool though. Yeah, that
was super awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Then, so a session I really wanted to see was
the Lori Vello one, which was before our live show,
so we couldn't go see it, unfortunately, but something crazy
happened there. So that session was hosted by natey And
who's the reporter of East Idaho News, and he received
a message from Laurie Valo to give to her son
Colby because he was doing the panel with Nate, and
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that must have been insane to watch in the live audience.
Not knowing that was going to happen. We actually heard
them speaking about it a little bit in the speaker
room beforehand, and I was like, I need to know
what's going on, but they revealed it on stage. So
I guess Laurie found out about this panel. Of course,
she's in prison, so she sent Nate a message and
wanted Nate to tell Colby that she loves him no
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matter what, and then said to ask him about Bible
Verse Matthew twenty five. So then on stage, Colby explained
that quote. It's her trying to talk about the wicked
and the good being sifted apart basically. So it's her
way of trying to say she is still good and
basically godly. How haunting is this? She used to be
getting messages from your mother in prison.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
She's just manipulative and wanted to like wanted attention, Like
she couldn't listen to this seriously, like psychologically, she didn't
want her son to be getting all of the attention
on stage, so she just had to have it about her. No, totally,
and it's it's just it goes along with the whole story. No, absolutely.
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I mean I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I'm just thinking she's such a scary person, and I'm
sure that guy doesn't want to be getting messages from
her in jail either, and then her son's trying to
do this thing and it's just like never ending. Yeah,
all right. So then onto our sessions. We went on stage.
We had the best time ever. We were a little
nervous going up, but it ended up being okay.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
It was it was a different setup than last year.
I actually liked this setup better. It was more like
a living room situation. I just the only thing that
I didn't like was that I was able to hear
my voice back, and that threw me off for a second.
But then once I got used to it, it was fine.
Just because I get distracted very easily.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I think after a couple minutes, you just got used
to it, so it was whatever for both of us.
But I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna like
totally lose my train of tho on because I'm like
already up there and you're nervous. But everybody that was
there was so awesome. We were getting last we were
getting gasps in the audience. It was nice to have
that interaction because when we record normally, it's just us
talking to one another, so we don't know how you
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guys are responding a yeah time.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
It was cool, and we of course, after we do
this summary of events from crime Con, you guys could
listen to our.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Whole live episode. Yeah, so that was super cool. After that,
we got dinner and then we just kind of locked
ourselves in the hotel room because you needed to prepare
for the next day and we just needed like a
mental break.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Next Charyl called me and was like where are you,
And I'm like, I'm in the room for the night.
I'm I'm studying, leave me alone. I have a test tomorrow,
all right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So next morning we woke up really early. Your session
was at ten twenty, which was I think in the
second round of sessions that they And how did that
go for you?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
It was awesome. I felt like, you know, the setup
was really really nice for a presenter, and I enjoyed it.
I was able to sit, which was really cool. My
lecture was right in front of me, and I was
able to see my slides and see what was coming
up next. And the lights the way the lights were
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set up, I couldn't tell how many people were there,
which was great because it didn't trip me out a lot.
You know, I was able to just kind of zone
in and focus on my lecture. So and my clicker worked.
Everybody was great. That hooked me up with the mic,
and everybody that works at crime Con is awesome, Like
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they're just so awesome. And we hung out with them
kind of a lot because we were backstage a lot
and just like walking from place to place and they're
just so great.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Everybody that works for crime Con or volunteers to work
is so nice. We did not have one single bad interaction.
Everybody was so kind. They ask you questions, they care,
they're prompt. You know. Kelly really was on it, and
she always.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Dude, Kelly's so funny. She walked by me like three
times and I was like yo, and then I was
like Kelly, like I was screaming at her, and she
just was so in her zone. She just didn't even
notice that anybody was there. It was so great. And
then I said to her and she's like, oh, I'm distracted.
I'm like, yeah, I know. It's it's awesome. She she
kills it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
As a fellow a typer. I really appreciate her work
because I know how many spreadsheets.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Probably go into this.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'm kind of jealous because we all know I love
a spreadsheet.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So you did your lecture.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I text the game and was like, oh, I think
there's like three four hundred people in here, and I
asked the guy backstage and he was like, no, this
room seats twelve hundred people and it was a packed house.
So that was super cool. Then we had the meet
and greet. That was really fun.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, that was fun too. That was fun for sure.
The craziest part of the meet and great is that
two separate people wanted me to sign their body so
they could get their my signature tattooed on them, which
I thought was outrageous. I kept saying, are you sure
you want to do that? Is this really something you
want to do? You know? So that was kind of cool.
And we met a lot of or we met I
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should say a lot of people that we met last year.
We had some new people because one good thing is
that there's the Crime Con gift shop has books for sale,
so my book was for sale. So a lot of
people find me that have never followed Instagram or have
never listened to our podcast. They find us through the
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book and then they come and meet us when they
never even knew who we were, or they just so
happened to show up to the podcast. So that was
really cool that we got some new people.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
After that, we got some quick lunch and then what
did we do after that? Then we had a private
meet and greet. So if you're a platinum VIP, you can,
I guess request to have a one on one for
a couple of minutes with any speaker you want. So
we did a couple of those. So that I'm trying
to like think time wise. Then we had our grocerom
meet up in the lobby, so that was that was
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the best. Anybody going to crime con or just anybody
that lived in Denver could come hang out with us
for about an hour and a half and we just
went in a circle and we're like, what's your name?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
What do you do for work? It was so corny.
We were like, next year, we need name tags. But
it was It was really good because we got to
because some of the people that were there are like
our regulars, you know, we hear them, we see them
commenting a lot, and then some weren't that are just
like I don't really comment, but I'm here listening all
the time or reading all the time in the grosser room.
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So that was just that was just super cool. A
couple people we've we've already known, so it just was
really comfortable and awesome how we were all talking. So
I'd like to do that more, honestly. It was really
awesome fun.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
No, definitely after that, we had the cocktail hour for
the Clue Awards, in which you got auctioned off.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, so I got auctioned off for Stacy Chapman's organization.
That's called Ethan Smiles, which is an organization she started
after her son was unfortunately murdered. He was one of
the Idaho four murdered by Brian Cooberger. So she started
this foundation. Her family members work there as well. If
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you recall, he was a triplet and has two surviving siblings.
So this was a fundraiser for the foundation. And of
course I was like the least the smallest person on
the ticket because I'm standing up there next to someone
like Matt Murphy, so obviously people are gonna want to
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stay with him more for sure, and he's just I
just love him. He's just such a sweetheart. So so yeah,
we did that, and then we ended up sitting with
someone that you know, bought Raffle tickets, which was really cool,
and we were at the table with some other people
too that everybody was really awesome there, and the award
dinner was cool too. Unfortunately, I really wanted to meet
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John Walsh and I really wanted to meet Iced Tea,
and because I just like that was mainly I mean,
I've always loved ice Tea, but like mainly for both
of them. If I got pictures with them for Pop Pop,
he just it would have got me like pop Hoop
Street cred so, but when we were close to them
and oh god. So Schlepp was there For those of
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you who don't know him, and I'm not one hundred
percent familiar with him, but apparently he's like a modern
day Chris Hansen. He goes on YouTube and is able
to find sex predators that are trying to recruit children.
It's it's really crazy. The kid's twenty two years old.
He's like, it's amazing. And I guess he started it
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because he had his own situation and went from there.
But so I'm all like, on Chris Hansen to catch
a predator, love him right, And here my kids are like, oh,
I said, oh, I'm going. They were asking me who
was there and I said, oh, this guy Chris Hansen.
He does this show and they knew who he was
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and they're like, oh my god, he works with Schlipp.
And I'm like, okay, is he going to be there?
And I said yeah. So I couldn't go to the
lecture because we were too busy with other obligations, and
I tried to meet up with him so because I said, really,
I'm going to get the most streak cred with my
children if I come home and I'm like, I met
this guy and have a picture with them, and unfortunately,
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like I just couldn't find time to hook up with
them to get a picture. But yeah, like I'm really
interested in what he's doing. It's amazing. So he's doing
a lot of work with especially roadblocks, and they have
I guess they have a special coming about it, right
or is it a whole entire show.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, I saw that Chris Hansen was producing a documentary
exposing robe blocks. Yeah, so so I don't know when
it's coming out.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I just saw, Well, and when we get more details
about that, we'll we'll like promote it more because I
think that a lot of parents have kids that are
that age. And then Caroline who she went to the
lecture and she was like Nicole like it's worse than
I thought it was. And I'm like, oh my god.
So we're looking forward to seeing that documentary.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, maybe we could try to get him on the
show and he could talk.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Yeah, I mean that would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Then the kids will finally think you're cool. Yeah. I
facetimed Lilian when I was in the merch store trying
to see what she wanted, and they were just too
busy making fun of me and calling me a boomer,
and I'm like, well you just won't get anything.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Then I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
But we really had the greatest time ever. We met
some really cool people. We also met Beth Karaso that
I didn't want to bother her those It's just like,
can we take a picture really fast?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I know, And I was like, I'm sorry, I know
that you don't want to hear this, but whenever I
hear your voice, I just think of Jodiarius. Because seriously,
when when I was when I went out on maternity
leave because I was having high blood pressure, I was
like thirty seven weeks or whatever. I was sitting at
home all day waiting to have this baby and didn't
(19:27):
go until forty one and something, and like all I
did I was on like not bed rest, but semi
like put your feet up and don't do a lot
all day. And I just sat there every single day
and watched the Jody Arrius trial. So so like she
just reminds me of it, like just her talking about
it and summarizing it. It's just like I know, that's
(19:49):
been a long time for her. But that's you know
what I mean, that's just what she reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, when I went to the Court TV booth, they
had a picture of Jodi up and I was talking
to the woman working the booth and I'm like, Jody's
my favorite case ever and she was like, well, you
have to meet Vinnie Polatan and I didn't get to
and I'm bummed out because he covered it a lot.
So maybe next time, maybe we could have him on
to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And oh and we met Nancy Grace, like we actually
got a picture with her. That was like a huge
deal for us. So she and she's so cute.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
We did meet her last year, but it was a
very like back door we situation, so this time she
was in the speaker room with us and she was
so sweet. She's so sweet, she's been. She was sweet
to us last year too.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, she is. She's really awesome.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So and we got our picture finally, so that was great.
We really had the best time ever. We were so
grateful to be there and everybody we worked with booking
us of course, Kevin Kelly, Elis, Leah Ali, everybody that
works there is so awesome and we really had a
fun time.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And next year it's going to be in a Viva Las.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Vegas, so that'll be great.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. I guess what
happens in crime con stays in crime Con. Speaking of
we all, we we were like just seeing all these people,
were like, I'm kind of interested in like crime con hookups.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Like, oh yeah, we have to know what happens.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
I like, I just I know what's happening, So now
I want to know. Although there there are like it
is very uneven with the sex, is there? For sure?
Well as far as A ten d's go.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I was cranking up the first day because we've always
been talking about how it's like all these women and
it would be such a great place to meet somebody.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And then the first day when we were checking in
the hotel.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
There was all these like really hot soldiers walking around
and they planned this on purpose.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
So many of them, like there was some kind of event.
They were outside all in the uniform and you're like, okay.
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Speaker 1 (22:28):
If you love death, pop culture and breaking news, you
will love Mother Knows Death. Please welcome Mother Daughter duo
Nicole and Jimmy and Maria q Caine.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Hi, everyone, welcome to Mother Knows Death, our special live
edition at Crime Con. Today. We're going to talk about
the biggest story in the news this week, which is
a dead baby that was found in a cheerleader's closet
and attempted kidnapping in a Miami airport, a surgeon who
was addicted to amputation porn, and then we'll finish up
(23:13):
with urgent care staff who were all fired for making
fun of their patients. All that and more on today's episode.
Let's start so this story about the cheerleader. Let's talk
about that.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
My God, who's heard of this story with this cheerleader?
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Yeah, all of you have.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Of course, we figured that, okay, So let me introduce
the story for those of you who haven't heard. So.
A senior cheerleader at the University of Kentucky has been
arrested after police found an infant wrapped in a towel
and placed inside a black trash bag in her closet.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
When situations like this happen, it is typically a younger
woman who's not married, and the baby is found wrapped
in a bunch of different stuff, and it's usually found
dead and decomposed. But in this situation, she had the baby,
they they found it or something.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So I guess I'm kind of confused about this part
of the story because they're saying that police got a
call of an unresponsive infant on August twenty seventh, so
that was just last Wednesday, And then the coroner is
now saying they believe the child was born on that
same day, but no article can figure out who called
the police at day or they haven't released that information yet.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So was it her?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Did a roommate go in the room and stumble upon this?
Was it? The baby's father I'm having a really hard
time understanding that detail.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
This is my theory because sometimes when that happened. Usually
when that happens, it's like I said, the baby's found
in a bag, but it's usually decomposed, which means it's
been there for a while and someone smells it, unfortunately,
and that's how they found it. But in other cases,
when they figure out when a woman has done this,
it's because she's given birth and she's had some kind
(24:51):
of an issue where she has to go to the hospital. Okay,
and that could be a possibility that that's what happened.
She was having like postpartum hemorrhage or something like that,
and that could be how she presented to the hospital.
And obviously any doctor in the emergency room is going
to be like this chick just gave birth, Like where's
the baby, you know, and then yeah, it's going to
(25:12):
go down like that.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well, how are they able to determine the age of
the baby, because they're saying they believe the baby was
born on that day that the call came in.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Yeah, so when the baby goes to the medical examiner's office,
they could do a bunch of different things to figure
out the gestational age obviously, So the mom actually admitted
to giving birth to this baby and doing this. Yeah,
so she is semi cooperating, so obviously they could ask her.
But we don't even know if she knew she was pregnant.
(25:44):
So that's which a lot of people don't even think
that that's possible, but it happens all the time. There
was like a whole TV show called I Didn't Know
I Was pregnant?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Well, remember was it last week or the week before?
We had a story about a woman on vacation in Toronto.
She thought she had diary, went on the toilet and
gave birth to a full blown, healthy, full turn baby,
which like I just can't imagine happening straight up.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Came out of the bathroom and.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Was like, oh, but she had other children and she
didn't feel any signs of being pregnant at all.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Yeah, so I mean that's the bonus on vacation with
a new baby. Well, it depends, it depends on how
you look at that, yes, but.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, So they ended up arresting her and she admitted
to giving birth, cleaning it up and hiding all of
the evidence along with the child in the trash bag
and hiding it in her room and she didn't get
arrested until a couple of days later. Wait, so we
didn't talk about you say sorry, So back to how
they go, back to how they know the agent.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Okay, so they could do. So what they do is
measurements on the external. So the external exam is when
you look at the baby just laying on the table
and you do measurements. So you would do weight, and
then you would do what is called crown to romp,
so that's the head to the butt, and then you
would do crown to heal, so that would be the
head to the heel. And those measurements. We have a
(27:03):
chart that says each week gestation of what size they
should be. And that's the same thing that they're doing
when you're pregnant too. They're measuring all of those things.
But on top of that, we could do X rays
and we could measure the humorous and we could look
for ossification centers inside of the bones to see how
old the fetus is. So that's important because we don't
(27:26):
know how far along she was. She could have just
naturally had a miscarriage and been twenty weeks or something
like that, and a baby or a fetus can't survive
at twenty weeks, so I think that it would be
a little bit of a different charge if she gave
birth to this baby that she didn't try to save
its life and put it in a trash bag versus
(27:49):
one that had the possibility of being viable.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Do you think, based on the media's wording of it, however,
because they're calling the child an infant, if she did
an early miscarriage, would they refer to the baby as
a fetus?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
No, that I don't think, so, Okay, that's why I
think that it's pretty sure that it is.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It was as full term, being it was a bunch
not it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Necessarily have to be full term. But they believe that
the baby would have been able to live and breathe
on its own if not for what she did, which
is important because when in that situation, well, the next
thing that we're going to talk about is how we
could determine if the baby was came out dead or
(28:34):
was a stillborn. So a stillborn is just another word
for a miscarriage, but a stillborn happens after twenty or
twenty one weeks of pregnancy, so before that they call
it a miscarriage. After that they call it a stillborn.
So if she just so happened to give birth to this,
even if it was a full term infant and it
was already dead, then she wouldn't get in trouble for that,
(28:56):
I don't think so, just maybe not disposing human means
properly or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, the charges are interesting because the charges are abuse
of a corpse, tampering with physical evidence, and concealing the
birth of an infant. So I guess the question we
have to ask is why did this happen? Of course,
there's laws at play. Abortion is illegal in Kentucky. She
did have a boyfriend. We don't really know much about
him at this time. We know his social media has
(29:23):
been deleted.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Yeah, and there's a lot of pictures on just circulate
him online because obviously there's so many online sleuths now
and there's pic you know, every when everyone hears this,
they immediately go to someone's social media and look at
all the pictures. So she was in this special cheerleading
group that did acrobatics and stuff, and so one theory
(29:46):
is just like, well, if she was pregnant, she would
they the university definitely would not have let her do
that because it's it's a dangerous sport. It's actually in
the top twenty dangerous sports for head injuries and things
like that. So the school would have been like, you're
not doing that pregnant. But there's pictures of her doing
this sport and she looks pregnant, like every I mean,
(30:10):
just if you look at a hard time with that,
because I'm like.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
On certain days, if I eat certain meals, I could
look like I'm six months long.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
No, And I totally understand that. It's just like in
hindsight though, she's a thin, fit woman that does gymnastics essentially,
and then her shirt is tight and she just has
that very classic appearance. And now you're hearing buzz that
a lot of her family and friends were like chatting
about it.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well. It is interesting because people also posted pictures earlier
this afternoon what appeared to be a maternity issue, and
a lot of people are arguing it was just nice
couple photos. But there's one pose in particular where they're
laying on the grass and the boyfriend's holding onto her
stomach and I don't think, you know, I wouldn't take
that picture with my husband in a normal situation. So
(30:59):
I'm just having a hard time placing myself in that scenario.
Also on TikTok only in June, she had posted a
video and put goals and then put an emoji of
the mom holding a baby, which.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Is kind of unusual. Yeah, so I don't know, I
don't know what's going on with that. But so they'll
do the autopsy and they'll try to determine if this
baby was indeed still born or if it was born alive,
because that's gonna have a lot to do with any
charges obviously. So the way that we can tell that
(31:33):
at autopsy is when you when you look at the baby. Sometimes, well,
they already did the autopsy and they looked at the baby,
and they said they didn't see anything, which means that
they didn't see any obvious signs of trauma. If she
did something like a blunt trauma, hit the baby with
an instrument or something, or tried to strangle the baby,
nothing like that. I hate even saying these things out
(31:55):
loud because they're so disturbing, But nothing like that was seen.
If she did put the baby alive inside of the bag,
then you might not really see anything at least at
the autopsy itself. But one interesting thing that you could
sometimes see, especially in a baby that's fresh, freshly been dead,
(32:17):
not decomposed, is that you could see if their lungs
look a little bit different if they've taken a breath.
And when you take the lungs out, they're usually like
more inflated looking and they look puffier as opposed to
if the baby never took a breath, they would be
kind of like smaller and heavier. And sometimes you could
(32:38):
actually take those lungs out and put them in water
and they would float if they had air in them,
because though the lung is almost like a sponge, it's
a really really cool organ So they're waiting for the
microscopics to come back on that and then they'll be
able to determine more because there are different changes that
you could see in the alveola or the air sacks
(32:59):
of the lung, and you could also see air and
the lung. It's not a tell sign, but along with
the investigation and what she says, that could really help
them determine if the baby was born alive and what
she did.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, I guess I'm confused today too, because she pleaded
not guilty, but then she had told them everything that happened.
So she's been released on one hundred thousand dollars bond,
put on house arrests with no monitor at her parents'
home in Tennessee. Obviously, she had to drop out of
school because can't go to school across states. And I
don't know if they're going to want this whole craziness
attached to them, So I don't know. We cover these
(33:36):
stories from time to time, and they're just really horrible
to hear about. You don't want to think about somebody
doing something like this. I was really disturbed by her mugshot.
She just seems like annoyed to be there, not sad
or disturbed or in distress or anything. And I just
have a hard time putting myself in that person's shoes,
you know.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I feel like I could speak from this a little
bit personally because when I I got pregnant with you,
I was in ninth grade and I remember, like I mean,
I was way younger than she is, obviously, but I
just remember this certain like denial of like I like
I knew something was up, but like I did, I
didn't want my life to stop kind of and but
(34:18):
but like I feel like like I cause I kind
of waited a long time to tell mom.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Mom.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
I feel like a long time. I was like for
way further along, you know, because then I was like,
oh shit, I'm in trouble, Like I need to tell
my mom. But I was scared, you know, like it
was just something I didn't I didn't really want to
deal with. But so you could imagine that if she
was in college and had a boyfriend and and was
doing the cheerleading competition and things were going well, that
(34:46):
this might have been going on in her body, but
she was just totally disconnected from it or something like that.
You know. Yeah, I don't know. We'll bring you an update.
We say this all the time. We always hear well
about I never know what's always going to happen to
as soon as we walk out of this room, there's
going to be a major break in the case. It
happens every single time we record.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
If you see it shouted out, we want to.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
We might have to have like an emergency session.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
The worst audio ever will do voice memo in the
hotel room editing.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
All right, let's talk about this blue vulva.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Okay, So in June, comedian Catherine Ryan announced she was
expecting her fourth child, and recently, while in the Nearly
Parents podcast, she revealed that she's experiencing this very unusual
side effect.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I don't know if it's that unusually, are you sure?
I've never heard of this, what having a blue vulva?
So she just let's talk about this. She was pregnant,
So that's that's a huge clue. Okay, So when you're pregnant,
you have more blood in your body. That's number one,
because it's supplying more nutrients, and so your veins are
just working overtime anyway. So your veins are the ones
(35:57):
that are bringing the blood back up to your heart.
And then you have hormones that make your them more
elastic and loose, so they stretch out more and they
have to work a little bit harder to get that
blood back up to your heart. And then finally you
have this big, heavy uterus that is pushing on them
and compressing them. It's making the blood harder to get
(36:17):
back up to your heart. So what happens is it
starts backing up. Have you ever heard of a pregnant
woman having hemorrhoids? Yeah, yes, that's what it is. Okay, okay,
So hemorrhoids are varicos veins in your butt, and this
is vericosveins in your vulva, So it goes away then, yeah,
it should go away with with delivery. Wait, so, well,
(36:38):
I don't know. Sometimes they around for a while after
but they but a lot of times, Yeah, it could
be delivery is the cure?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Well, she said, my vagina, or my vulva rather is
blue blue lace of smurf, like an avatar vedge.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
So we can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And I liked what this one commenter said on this
podcast too. Can we normalize talking about our anatomy. If
you've listened to our show, you probably know all the
ins and outs and TMI about our bodies because we
have been a problem talking about the most are end.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I've never had a blue badge, I have it, but
we do have a case on our website of it.
And it looks this woman has such big varico spins
and she said that she really had a hard time
with the like itch it's so it's a lot of
a feeling of pressure but itchy. It's the same symptoms
that you get with hemorrhoids. Like, yeah, you know that
gross you know. Let me tell you guys a funny
(37:33):
hemorrhoids story. We were so my so my little one
who is twelve, her friend. Her friend was over and
the mom came and picked her up. So we were
just talking and luckily I'm like friendlier with this mom,
like I've known her for a couple of years. And
an Amazon order gets delivered. So my kids just decide
(37:54):
to go on the porch and open it and they
pull out hemorrhoid cream like like it was so embarrassed,
and I was like and they're like, Mom, what's this for?
And I was just like, because I had three kids, dude,
like I have issues sometimes.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Sorry, they'll learn one day with our genetics.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah, I can't wait, all right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
At a Miami airport or at a Miami airport. At
the Miami Airport, this woman was in the checkout line
with her four year old son who was crying.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Another woman came up to them.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Offered to keep the boy calm or try to help
him calm down, which the mother agreed to. So this
complete rando picks up this woman's child and basically runs
away and refuses to give the kid back, and he
is like, this is my kid now?
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, and what it's it's crazy, right, But from like
a security perspective, you didn't see any of this go down,
so you're just like, what's happening right now? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
So the mother is trying to get her child back
and this stranger is saying, no, this is my child
and then proceeds to wrap her arms and legs around him.
Which how traumatic is this for a boy that's you know,
he's already having a meltdown and then you have this
completely random woman doing this to you. So then a
bystander ended up getting involved and was able to rescue
(39:14):
the boy, but.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
She had a hide behind a counter. Yeah, it's really crazy.
We have a lot of stories recently that were just
like the people not realize that there's cameras everywhere, like
they probably went and looked at the footage, especially in
an airport like hold on.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I think also when you're a mom and your kids
freaking out just so bad and anybody just caught I mean,
you could speak to this more, but when anybody's offering
you help and you're in an airport, which is an
incredibly stressful situation in general, and then your kids screaming,
and you see another woman come up and is like, oh,
I could help. You Just think that they're gonna be
helpful and not try to abduct your child.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
It is really I don't even understand what happened there.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
She's really lucky she didn't run out the door because
it was before the security gate. I mean that could
have went really wrong.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah she could. Yeah, you're right. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
The whole thing just really stresses me out to think about.
And thank god this other this other woman that got
involved was a mother too, and she was like I
just was was a mom and I just had to
jump in and do something and help.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Ugh, people are crazy guys.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Just then, speaking to crazy, you're really not gonna believe
this one. A UK surgeon has been sentenced to jail
time after his quote sexual obsession with amputations led him
to removing his own legs.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
So this guy and we have we always have stories
about doctors, which are like one of the most difficult
fields of any kind of academics. I mean sometimes if
you really you have to do undergrad four years, and
then you have to do medical school four years, and
then you have to do fellowships and internships and residencies,
(40:57):
and usually you don't even get your real job until
you're in your mid thirties. It's a lot, it's a
lot of work. And that's if you go straight out
of high school. So you think, like, why why are
these people doing things like this to ruin their career.
It's just nuts. So he was a vascular surgeon and
(41:17):
I don't know he was found to I guess he
got found because he was going on all these weird
porn sites.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, this investigation is truly insane. So in twenty twenty three,
police were investigating this guy who ran this extreme body
mutilation website called Unich Maker. You guys know I have
pronunciation issues too, but I'm just thinking, this website exists,
and it seems like it was up for a while,
(41:43):
and these people are making pornographic videos cutting their genitals off.
So they were investigating this website and came across the
surgeon who had purchased multiple videos off of this site,
and then saw that he also exchanged fifteen hundred messages
with the guy running the site about how he amputated
(42:04):
his own legs and basically committed this massive insurance fraud
on top of it, so they had to look into
that guy. He ended up stealing over six hundred thousand
dollars between two insurance companies. How are you going to
brag about doing this? I think you're not getting caught.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I just remembered about this thing I wrote about a
couple of years ago. I totally forgot. I came across
a weird like subreddit page of guys that were caught
and off their own balls. That's never a good place
to be, and like it's not, but like I had
to look, like I had to look. So so I
(42:41):
was looking at that and I just reading the post
and there was like ten thousand members in this group
talking about like injecting their balls with like chemicals to
self castraate and all of this stuff cutting them off.
So there's a whole field of this. Okay, so how
did this guy do it? Oh? So this particular guy,
I don't know, so because I was going to talk
(43:02):
about this too. There's something called body integrity dysphoria, which
is where people are born and they think that they
should be handicapped. It's it's really crazy. So they think
that they should be amputees, and they think they should
be blind and they want to have a surgeon like
remove their eyes, and it's but there's not it doesn't
(43:23):
seem that there's a sexual component to that. But the
obviously there's a lot of controversy abound. But there's people
that that get their let their limbs and their fingers
and stuff cut off that are perfectly healthy and like
want to be in a wheelchair. So obviously the controversy
is like, number one, that's just not cool to do
to handicap people. Number Two, what about like health insurance,
(43:46):
life insurance, disability insurance, Like should they be eligible for
disability insurance if they gave themselves the disability. So this guy,
I don't know, I don't know why he wanted to
cut off his his own legs. Well, I mean did
they say why.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, they said he suffered from body dysmorpheus since childhood
and his feet were quote an unwelcome extra and persisting,
never ending discomfort to him.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, So I don't I just don't even understand what's
happening here. But this guy, so he wanted to get
his legs amputated. So usually if you go to any
surgeon and you want to have like a perfectly healthy
body part cut off. They're like, I'm not doing that.
So he went He decided to take matters into his
own hands, and he put his legs in ice and
(44:37):
dry ice and basically gave himself frostbite to the point
where he had to have both of his legs amputated,
which I imagine was extremely painful. But on top of that,
so he goes to the hospital with bilateral like two
legs gangerine black from having frostbite, and convinces them at
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the hospital that he has sepsis, which is a bacterial
infection that goes throughout your blood and spreads to your organs.
And I don't know why they just like took his
word for it, like they didn't do any work up
at the hospital. I guess because he was a surgeon.
I just want to say, oh, that's just weird, like
it's you wouldn't hurt.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I trusted another medical professional. Also side note, he was
performing hundreds of amputation procedures on other pages.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
If you have sepsy, like listen, obviously the guy wasn't
walking into the hospital anyway with his black legs. But
if you have sepsis, you're not like you're not just
like totally fine to just be like, I have sepsis,
Like you're you're like borderline in a coma, like you're
really sick. I don't know what happens in the UK.
I mean, weird things go down. The body is the
same here though, as it is in the UK. I
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don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
So he gets six hundred and twenty five thousand American
dollars value from the insurance companies and then proceeds to
spend that money on an RV home improvement's a hot tub,
along with gifts to his wife and other works.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
So I just don't understand this whole thing. I guess
because it was a fetish.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And then the hospital made some statement that his actions
didn't impact affect his professional life at all. But this
guy is performing amputations and buying amputation porn.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
You don't think he's.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Going home and being discussing, you know, after working.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
For the day. Yeah, Like, I'm really disturbed by that.
And think about all his patients that know this now
that are amputees that are like, oh god, he was
touching my stump. Like there's actually like a whole entire.
That's another thing. I had a case one time of
a guy that was having sex with his wife and
she had like wood splinters in her vagina when she
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went to the hospital, and it was because he was
like sticking his like prosthetic stump inside of her. Like wow, yeah,
that's a thing like amputee. Like, well, clearly this website
had everything. I don't know it. Yeah, it's it's really disturbing.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
And you know what, he went to jail for insurance fraud,
so it would they have caught him if he wasn't
practice This is my question.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
I know it's weird, but like if you want to
stick your stump in someone's vagina, Like, why is that illegal?
It shouldn't be do whatever you want. Like, what's the
illegal part of the porn?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
No, I'm no, it's the porn. Well, I guess it's
because it was promoting self mutilation. So I think the
problem I have with it is that he clearly had
a fetish with it. So is he like doing that
and then going in his office and like getting busy,
you know, Like I don't know. I just think it's
really disturbing, but it is. He's going to jail for
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only two years and eight months.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Real nice, what's up? What the jail sentences.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
By the way, we are so aggravated all the time
by the jail sentences. They'll be like, somebody got a
dui and killed somebody, they get two months probation.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Well, and then you guys are all familiar with the
Emmanuel Harrow one that we've been covering for a couple
of weeks. That was the little baby that was kidnapped
from outside of a sporting goods store from his mother, right,
and then they ended up saying that she said he
was kidnapped. Ye, that's why I did my little air ques.
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But we were just saying today actually that that case
has kind of fallen off a little bit because they
were all on it. But I guess they said I
guess the latest is that the dad admitted in jail
that he put the baby in a trash can. So
maybe they just think that they're never going to be
able to find the body. I don't.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, this story is weird because it was all over
and then I think because it gets so highly publicized
that things get lost, because I didn't even see that
until you told me about it, and I was actively
researching at the time.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
And I guess the reason that I'm bringing it up
right now is because you know their child was clearly
I think anyway just by looking at the kid that
he looked like he had signs of abuse and particularly
like some kind of a head trauma, like a shaken
baby syndrome or something like that. But before that, this guy,
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this dad they say abused his child. He did not
abuse that child. He tried to kill that child, and
the kid has lifelong suffering. If you went up to
a stranger on the street and beat them within an
inch of their life and they survived and had to
be in a wheelchair the rest of your life, you
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would go to jail for a really long time, if
not for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
I just don't understand it because you have cases like
that where this guy basically killed a child, and it's
like one thing if you're killing another adult, obviously super
wrong also, but if you're doing that to a child,
I just think you're like, It's what Cheryl was kind
of talking about in her session earlier, how you can
tell somebody the most disturbing details of a case, but
when you know they attacked an animal, you're like, what's
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wrong with them? It's kind of the same way I
feel about babies. You're an extra terrible person if you
do something to a child, and that person will get
no jail time. And then I think of these dumb
reality stars that defraud banks and they get like fifteen
years in prison.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
I just will never understand it, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Or they'll let super dangerous people get out on bond.
Remember the mother that supplied her teenage son with all
the weapons to execute a mass shooting. Yeah, why is
she even allowed to get out?
Speaker 3 (50:27):
Don't just do something else again?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
They found a photo on her phone of her pointing
a shotgun at her three year old.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Terrible is going on? So j Carrow only got only
got one hundred and eighty days in jail, and then
they only made him serve one day. And that so
his daughter. He beat her so bad that she's blind,
she's in a wheelchair. She will need lifelong care. She
has a feeding tube and all this stuff. And I
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just can't wrap my brain around it. I can't. You
know what you just said though, that reminded me of
something totally different about the dog situation. What I did
a celebrity. I wrote a celebrity death disseection on Jane Mansfield,
which I'm going to talk about in my lecture a
little bit tomorrow too, but not this particular topic. So
I show all of these picture she was in this
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horrific car accident that sheared the top of the car
off and and her her head her brain was evulsed
from her skull and like very bloody, messy scene. And
in that post I posted a picture of her dog
died in the accident, and people like wanted to slice
my throat because of that. They're like, oh, dead woman
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head on the dashboard. Fine, dead dog, It's off limits.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Like it's all the time on our website, you know.
I think the most backlash we got was the carnival one,
because we had posted some pictures of animals that were
or not at a carnival at the circus, like old pictures.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, they can see.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
The worst of the worst photographs, but when it comes
to an we'll forget it.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah that's true, all right.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
So let's get into our last story. So nurses at
a California urgent care have been fired after taking photos
with bodily fluids from patients and posting them on TikTok
making fun of them.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Did you guys see this video. Everybody saw it. Yeah,
this is the thing with viral videos.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Like so for those of you that aren't familiar with this,
if you just need to visualize, especially if you're a woman,
you know, you go to the obgin, you lay down
on the table, you're in an extremely vulnerable position.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
You just comes out. It just happens. Whatever fluids are
coming out. They also use ky jelly. Yeah, it's it's juicy,
like you know, they give you a wipe and they're
like you're getting ultrasound.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
They're sticking that medieval contraption in you, like a bunch
of stuff's going down there. So of course fluids are
coming out. Think about going home later and just scrolling
TikTok and then seeing your nurse that just tended to
you earlier that day posing with what's possibly your fluids
on the exam table.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
It's it's so weird, right.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
It's weird to even take the pictures. Why would you
even want to take the pictures with the fluid? And
then I'm looking through these photos and there's eight employees.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yeah, and that's what I was thinking too. I'm just like,
there's eight people, all like educated but nurses, assistants. I
don't know if there was any doctors there, pas, whatever,
And you're like they all thought that this was a
good idea to do this. I don't. I just don't understand.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
And they're making captions like make sure you leave your
healthcare workers sweet little gifts like these. What's wrong with
these people?
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Really? They're likely never going to get a job in
healthcare again, why would you ever hire somebody? And it's
the same exact thing, like you just threw away all
of your education and all of your job experience for that,
like the social media and wanted to do the viral
video thing, like seriously, like this is not the first
time we talked about this, Like it scares me that
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nobody thought that that was not going to be a
good idea.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Well yeah, I mean the high my mentality going on
with that group of people is extremely concerning. And it
seems like the videos were old.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
But I just I just don't get Like, I don't
get it. It's not even because it's supposed to be funny,
like what I was saying, this is my theory.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
What So they're claiming a former employee who hadn't worked
there for two months like went rogue and just posted
them all and I'm thinking they had a group chat
and they were sending them to each other, and then
she probably got fired or something and was like, f
all you people, I'm exposing all of you, getting everybody
at drown. It's still like it's still weird and I
don't even like listen like I understand. I feel like
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I understand things that are funny, Like I I send.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Funny pictures to people all the time. I just like
if someone sent that to me, I'd be like I
wouldn't even I'd be like, oh, yeah, like, oh, I
went to the dentist and I got some blood on
the on the little bib they put on me, Like ooh,
it's so like it's so your I don't know, Like
just I just don't understand it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
I think when you're a woman in particular, and you're
at that kind of a doctor's appointment where you're like,
you know, spread eagle on the table, it's already massively uncomfortable,
it's vulnerable in general, and then to know these people
are making fun of you behind your back for something
your body just so naturally does.
Speaker 3 (55:16):
It's just the weirdest thing ever. Yeah, don't. I don't know.
I do when I go though, when I see that,
I usually like rip the paper and throw.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
It in the I think everybody's going to at this
point because you're gonna be worried that I don't understand,
because it's not even just gen Z. It's like millennials
and a lot of boomers too, like momm listing her
bras on Facebook marketplace just she did.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
My mother did this. You know, we have this theory.
Maria was going to start this social media page called
Boomer's Gone Wild cause like we have so many people
in our life that they just don't really understand how
Facebook works. Like really they don't understand that. Like everybody
could see it for some reason. And my mom's like
they were perfectly good bras. I didn't want to throw
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them away.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
The best was on one post it said make your
first name fuck and make the first four letters of
your last name fuck and write it and she puts fuck,
fuck teary, and we're like, we screenshot it, and she goes,
how did you see that? And like your coworkers saw
it too.
Speaker 3 (56:21):
We love it, like we send it to all of
our like cousins and stuff. It's just great. We're just
like this is and it comes up all the time,
Like I think I even saved this her picture in
my phone, like because you had.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
We're just like, yeah, she's doing it all the time.
But I guess just my point is, I'm really concerned
about just people being so quick to post things on
social We've had videos in the past where we had
that one with there was a school shooting and a
girl was literally taking a video of the gunshots. I'm like, hello,
a person bleeding on the ground that oh, yeah, there
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was a person bleeding on She was like.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
Folding her Starbucks cup and walking by. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
There's videos of people getting just hit by buses and
they're like, you know, twitching on the ground and someone's like, oh,
let me put this on TikTok instead of trying to
help you.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah. I don't know, especially in healthcare though, It's like
I don't know if any of you guys work in healthcare,
but it is drilled in your head from day one,
multiple times a day, like not to do anything like
that hip. And I guess technically that's not a hip
of violation, but it's like you could figure out where
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those nurses work and that place and then any like
if I was a patient there between that time, I'd
be like, Oh cool, is that like my badge lip
print on the paper? Like that's going viral right now.
I want credit for that.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
I believe what happened was the video got posted on TikTok,
and then it got posted in a Reddit, and somebody said,
I know where that is because they knew the people
in the video, and they are the ones that reported
it directly, so it got removed, and the person that
put most it made their account private. But the Internet's forever, sweetheart,
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So I don't know. I don't know what you're thinking,
all right, guys, Well, thank you so much for coming
to our session today.
Speaker 3 (58:18):
Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
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on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day, and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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