September 2, 2025 • 49 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by actress Danielle Savre who you know and love from playing the beloved role of Maya Bishop on the long-running series, Station 19. Danielle created a character over the course of 7 seasons that means so much to so many, making people all over the world feel represented and seen. This is a conversation that is good for the soul. Today, Danielle opens up about how she has grown the most over the last year full of change, why grief hit her the hardest very recently over not returning to Station 19, if she allows herself to dream of playing Maya Bishop again, when she realized the impact her character’s love story with Carina was having on the world, how she dealt with the pressure of representing the LGBTQ+ community and the female firefighter communities, those #Marina scenes she still thinks about today, navigating a sometimes uncomfortable transitional phase of her career, learning that she is defined by more than her work, allowing herself the space to grow as a human and not just as an artist, the advice she would give to anyone feeling stuck in their personal or professional lives, what she hopes to start, stop and continuing doing for the rest of the year, something she has never said before, and so much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
me Tommy di Dario. My guest today is the magical
actress Danielle Savory, who is one of those people that
you chat with and time just stands still. I was
so utterly absorbed in the present during this conversation that
I had no idea almost an hour had gone by.
(00:23):
Danielle has such a gift with bringing characters to life.
But it's due her portrayal of Maya Bishop in Station
nineteen for seven Seasons that the world just fell in
love with her. It's a character that will forever live
on to so many as one of the most important
representations of love for the LGBTQ plus community. And today
is a conversation that is good for the soul. It's
(00:45):
like a cup of soup, good for the heart and soul. Yes,
we are celebrating the work of hers that you love,
but then we are taking on so many things that
we all experience in everyday life that perhaps we don't
always feel comfortable talking about. It is such a special episode,
So let's see if today we can get Danielle to
say something that she has never said before. Danielle Savory Hi, Hi,
(01:13):
tell me how are you? I am so good. We
have been wanting to do this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Now we have. When was our last one? Do you
remember when it was exactly?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I mean it was well over a year. I think
it was May twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Wow, I know, I know, I'm flies. So we stayed
in touch the whole time.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, yes we have, and we tried to do something
the beginning of the year, but then, of course the
horrific fires happened and that was just crazy for everybody.
So I'm glad you're safe and sound and you're here
today looking like a dream.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's all an illusion. It's like straight through exhaustion.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But I got to come out to New York one
of these days and actually see you in person too, Hug.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I know we would love to have you in New York.
That would be so much fun. I have to start
by saying, this is a very special day because is
this not your birthday? Eve?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Birthday?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Eve?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It is your birthday, Eve. Are you a birthday girl?
Do you love a celebration?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I used to?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean I say I used to so cautiously because
I always every year go all out and this year
for some reason, I was so tired and like last
year was a little bit too. And I don't know
if this just happens with age two, but everybody's like,
what do you want to do for your birthday?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I was like, nothing, I want.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
To like sleep and get a massage. But it's unique
because I usually go all out. I mean I've done
in the past. I've rented yachts, I've had huge blowouts,
I've gone on like crazy trips to Italy. Like I
usually go all out. So I don't know why this
year I was wanting something. I mean, what am I
talking about? The year has been crazy with travels. I
(02:46):
think it was just the month of August. I was like,
this is my one month to relax, and so I'm
kind of easy my birthday as an excuse.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But we'll see. We'll see if after my birthday passes.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
With this kind of very calm birthday that I want
this year, that if I end up kind of regretting that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I hope I don't. I hope that I'm very happy
with this decision. But we'll see. When it passes. I'll
love my friends and it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Can be a birthday month, so you.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Know, exactly, but usually am what about you? Are you
a big birthday? Birthday person?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You could be like hit or miss it kind of like,
you know, it depends. I've done some really big things
for it and then not not so much other years.
So we'll see. January is a very big birthday for me.
It's forty.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
See that is where I'm kind of because I'm turning
thirty seven, and so this is where I'm kind of
in this middle ground of like I kind of want
to wait. I kind of want to keep it chill,
and then forty go big? So are you doing something
big for your fortieth?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I have to figure it out. You know. It's funny.
My husband's starning forty in October and I've been like,
what do you want to do? What do you want
to do? And he's like, you know, I don't actually
want a big party. I want you and I to
go to Milan and just like see Lake Como and
have a few days in Italy. So I'm taking him
to Italy And that's his fortieth.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's perfect. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Now when we get older too, you're kind of like
I just want like the simple, like just you and
your partner or you know, just the closest closest people, which, yeah,
it evolves as we get older. But forty, I'm surprised
he doesn't want to. Well, going to Lake Como is huge.
What am I talking about? You guys are still going
all out. It's just the two of you, which is
really special.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, I'm excited and we'll do like little you know,
smaller dinners with different groups of friends and stuff. But
it should be it should be really really fun. I'm
much more of that, like let's have a massive party
and like great with a thousand balloons, and he's like,
let's go away. So we'll see what I end up
doing in January. But do you get really reflective that?
Like when I have a birthday, I'm so kind of
emo and reflective, and I think of all the things.
(04:41):
Do you get like that or not? Really?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I have it in the past, not that I can recall. No,
I might be now that I'm getting older. I'll report
back after Tomorrow's birthday. But like if it starts to happen,
I don't think I ever had before. I always looked
at birthdays as Also to add to this is it
was a way to go all of my friends into
getting together in one place on one day. And I
would always tell them that because so many of my
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friends live in different states, in different cities, and it
was this great way of being like, it's my birthday,
so all of you guys have to do what I
say and come on this boat or come on this thing,
because so many of our lives get so busy with
kids and work, and so it was kind of a
nice I do enjoy that about birthdays, talking about being reflective,
and I would love getting I love sitting back and
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getting to see all of my friends.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Who all love each other.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
It's just life gets complicated, but all of us get
together and just laugh, and.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I really enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, that's by basically what I love about birthdays. So
we'll see if I missed that this year, because.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm not going to get that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, well, I hope whatever you end up doing, whether
it's chilling or deciding to go all out in two weeks,
you're going to have a great time. And I'm sending
you birthday wishes, and today we are celebrating you. So
I'm so happy you're here. Thank you, thank you, so Danielle.
Oh my goodness, you have played so many different characters
that you know people love, and you've showed such great range,
and it's just always a joy to see what you
(06:03):
have up your sleeve. Of course, I feel like the
world fell in love with you through playing Maya in
Station nineteen for seven seasons, which is just such an
accomplishment in itself. Shows do not go on for that long,
So that's like, whoa, seven seasons? My god. Not many
artists can say that. And it's been about a year
and change since that went off the air. How would
(06:23):
you say you've grown or changed the most as a
person in this last year.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh my gosh, I feel like I've actually grown a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And to try to quantify how it's going to be
a little difficult, but I'm sure you'll get it out
of me. It was interesting when Station nineteen ended, I
kind of did this kind of like hit the ground running,
and I was like, Okay, I know how lucky as
an actor I am to be on the show for
seven seasons, and I knew I was like, I need
to get out there and try to get.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
A job right off the bat.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Like that was kind of my motivation right when it ended,
even though I was grieving Station nineteen ending, and I
was lucky and great to get a job right away.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Going to Found.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And I've evolved as an actor playing a different character,
having the confidence to know I can play a character
that was so different than Maya. And then Found ended
and is officially not going for a third season. And
that's when officially like hit me. I just like this
moment of like, oh my god, Station nineteen is over, over,
Like I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I was kind of in this like yeah, I don't
know what it's called.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I was like in this middle area thinking like okay,
I'll finish Found and then I'll go back to Station nineteen.
And it really hit me once Found was officially over
that I was like, oh, wow, no, no, it's over, like
that era, that character, that story being told is over.
And so that it's been a process ever since, probably
(07:48):
only like about June that I've been like, wow, I'm
really mourning and grieving the loss of my bishop. I
love that she lives on, obviously in streaming the streaming world,
but getting to play her and put on the uniform
and tell such important stories.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So I've grieved, and.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
That doesn't really talk about me evolving. I'm trying to
now think of how I've evolved. I evolved as an actor.
I think I evolved the most of the whole playe Maya.
While I was on the show. I evolved so much
and then was able to once it ended, go Okay, now,
let me take all these tools that are my tool
belt that I learned playing this character. Because the writers
(08:25):
gave me such amazing material and really tested the limits
of what I was capable of doing, that I was
able to then jump onto another character and use these tools,
and so I was able to walk with that confidence.
So I've evolved as a more confident actress. I've evolved
as a more confident person. I've really learned for some
(08:46):
I don't know if this is through personal things in
life or through the worlds of social media and having
a character that's so beloved and.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No matter who you are on social media, you see
the good and the.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Bad of that world, and I've had to basically, and
I said it recently, I was like walk away going like, Okay,
I'm not everyone's cup of tea, and it's the best
way to take on the world of criticism, which is
very much at everyone's fingertips these days. So I've gotten
thicker skin but also been able to, weirdly enough and
I don't know, maybe just through therapy, still maintain my vulnerability.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
With the fans, because it's hard.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It's hard to be vulnerable and also get backlash for
something someone doesn't like, something someone just doesn't like you.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm not everyone's cup of tea. But I've definitely grown
a thicker skin, but somehow, and I'm really grateful for this,
being able to maintain my vulnerability with the fans or
with just audience members in general that connect in one
way or another. So that's something I really have grown
and evolved a lot from when I never thought it's
(09:50):
so crazy. Every time I talk to my therapist about
social media, it is like it feels weird to be
talking about social media in this context in a therapy session,
and you realize it's such a huge part of our
lives that having a healthy relationship with it is really important.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
What else did I evolve in?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I was like, I've become more at peace and not
feeling like I always need to even though I'm still
always tired. I don't know how that's happening, but really
learn to just be at peace with even right now,
I'm really taking this down time, even though obviously can
be so anxiety provoking to be an actor who's unemployed.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Everyone always is like, you're not unemployed.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I like you are. You're either working or you're not.
Like those are the two versions of being an actor.
You're on the hunt for a job, but those are
really what you are.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And so I've really learned to take this time as
going okay.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I have the confidence that another job is going to come,
because obviously that anxiety can come, you know, wash over
you that it's never going to happen again. But I
know that another job's going to come, and so I'm
really trying to utilize this time to find things I love.
I didn't really have hobbies before I started working when
I was seven with printing commer and then did my
first TV show when I was twelve, and so I've
(11:03):
always find it kind of been on this hamster wheel.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I'm finally, for the first time, after a very
successful show that's that fulfilled me so much, I have this.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Downtime and it scared me at first, and now I've like,
I'm taking tennis lessons, I'm learning French.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Like shout out to do a lingo.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So I'm really trying reading books, like I'm really trying
to utilize it and find peace with just being in
the calm.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So those are I think the ways I've evolved.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Those are good ways to evolve. There's there's a lot
to dive into here. And this is why I love
talking to you. You you are like my type of person.
Can we could have a forty hour long podcast? Look,
I just I'm I'm here for all of this. So
the first thing I want to touch on, I guess
is I find it so interesting it really started. You
(11:54):
really started your grieving process for that role for Maya
in June, which is well over a year after the
show oh finished. And that's so interesting that I feel like,
in a way, you mentioned you were on the hunt
for another job and you were auditioning, and like you
almost didn't want to allow yourself that time to grieve, right,
you just kind of threw yourself in work and you
booked something immediately, and that was just that in a way,
(12:15):
it was one of your forms of grief. But then
June hits and you're like, oh my god, wait, it's
kind of quiet right now, and now I really have
to face my feelings on this.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, no, it's great when you actually say it back
to me too, because that is what it was. It
was really trying to avoid the inevitable of feeling that grief,
So that is what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But yeah, it's been. It was a weird it hit me.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It took me a second to realize when June hit
what it was because I was like, what is happening
with me?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I was just super emotional and super like.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just kind of I felt like my worth was so
wrapped up in my work, and specifically playing a character
for seven years was wrapped up in Maya, so I
could kind of I delayed that grief until after found
because I was able to get in too, immerse myself
into another character. But once that was over, I was
really yeah, I was really kind of like, wow, who
(13:06):
am I if I'm not playing my bishop?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
That's something I think so real for so many of us.
I mean, I've certainly gone through That've been insied my
worth to different types of jobs and different shows I'm on,
and you know, it's a it's a slippery slope, but
we do it. We do it, and I think the
realization that you have, or that maybe you're having right now,
is that you're so much more beyond just the work.
Is really powerful and something that I wish I learned,
(13:38):
you know, a couple of years ago, even myself. So
I love that. I love this journey for you. I'm
really here for all of this. This is so This
is so nice to hear when someone's kind of seeing
themselves in not just a workhorse light and that's all
you have to offer because you have so much to offer.
So it's cool that you're on this journey for sure.
Do you allow yourself to to kind of fantasize what
(14:02):
if one day it comes back? What if one day
I get to play it again? Or is that too
hard for you to do? Is it too does it
on least too many feelings?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, I actually would be.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I would I would be jumping for joy if if
this came back, if I got to play my bishop.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I mean, I will crack jokes with people over at grades,
being like.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Just bring her back, Like I'll just stand in the background,
just let me put the uniform back on.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So I would be so happy.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It would probably be emotional, but still so happy if
this if my Bishop were able to come back in
some form. But you know, it's it's it's actually harder
just to think about it because at this point it's
so hard to believe that that would happen.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I used to hold so much like same station nineteen
and I used to hold so much hope, and it
just feels like the further we get from from it ending,
the harder it is to believe that that is a possibility.
But yeah, I'm like, like, you know, a little kid
like that, I always a little hope and dream that
maybe one day.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, you have to. You have to hold on to
any sort of hope and dreaming because why not. It
doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt, It doesn't hurt, and you
don't know what it puts out in the universe. Another
thing that I love about the work you've done is
how much the character specifically meant to an entire community
of people. And I know this is something you've spoken
about quite a bit, but for me, like and I
(15:24):
probably told you this in conversation at some point. I
never grew up with that sort of a representation of
a couple, whether they were two women together or two men.
I just didn't. So it's just so cool that that's
something that makes so many people feel seen, and that
will live on forever, forever and ever and ever, and
that will always exist as one of the most important
couples to so many people. Of course, the name was
(15:48):
dubbed Marina, right Mayan Carena. Yeah, did you have a
specific moment where you realized the magnitude of that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It was definite delayed.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean in the moment, we were just loving playing
these characters, me and Stefania, and it probably didn't hit me.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Till honestly.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
A season after the character because we I think we
it was season three and then season four. I think
that because we were also living the pandemic, so we
also didn't know the reach it was having because you're
talking to people on social media, you really just don't know
what it's like out in the real world because we
weren't having access to it. So it probably wasn't until
after like season four, like two seasons of basically or
(16:33):
season and a half playing this couple that really it hit
me the impact it was having. And also from episode
episode we didn't know what was what was gonna happen
with the characters, but Yeah, it took a long time
to realize it, and I don't know why that is necessarily,
but it has meant so much to me.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And going back to what you.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Said, it's I love that we do live in the
world of streaming these days where that show, hopefully forever,
will always be something that people can watch, especially those
that need that representation, that feel alone because it's so important,
and I just don't I see. It feels like less
and less.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Right now, which is weird, but with characters like this.
But but yeah, I'm happy it's going to live on.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But it took me a long time to realize the
impact it had, And honestly, it was probably also I
do as I think you know, I do a lot
of the fan conventions.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I love interacting with fans, like love.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It, And it probably also didn't fully hit me until
the first fan convention. Walking into a room with hundreds
and hundreds of people and getting to hear their stories firsthand.
It was something that at first scared me. I didn't
realize how much of an impact it was going to
have on me. I was nervous walking into it. I
was like what to expect and realizing and getting to
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hear people's stories firsthand, because on social media you're still,
you know, so many comments and messages that it's hard
to keep up and you're getting little snippets. But in person,
you're getting those couple minutes getting to stand and talk
to somebody and hug them and hear their story and
get to hear how much this character meant to them
in so many different ways. And that was probably where
(18:08):
it hit me the hardest. It also put the most
pressure on me. It actually kind of scared me because
I was like, Wow, I was like this, this means
so much to so many I can't screw this.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Up, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, that's something that I guess because I'm not an actor,
I don't I wouldn't think of it is. Yeah, I'm
sure that is stressed inducing to know there's a relationship
that actually signifies so much more to people than just
the characters, that goes beyond that. That does feel like pressure.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, well, it was funny.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
This whole show in general Station nineteen had the pressure
of At first, it was the pressure to represent female
firefighters because my sister is one, and then it switched
and it's this pressure of really representing an authentic queer
character and a queer couple on network television, and that
became so important to me.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But yeah, there's that pressure to be like, don't screw
this up.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
But what I realized, and maybe I was doing it
in the moment because I put so much pressure on
myself at first once it hit me, is I started going, Okay, no,
the only thing I can do is just be honest
and vulnerable and play it as real as possible, like
I'm not trying as much as I want to make
everyone happy. You're not going to make everyone happy. But
I have to just play this authentic and true. And
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then leaned into what the writers gave me, which is
really I mean, they get the big award for it
because they really wrote such an amazing character in such
an amazing couple.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well, I'm glad you didn't have anxiety for the entire
seven seasons of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, go in different ways, in very different ways.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I feel like us actors are kind of walking around
as anxious balls of energy anyways.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But yeah, yeah, Well, to put a little pin on
this part of the conversation, I know you've talked about
in the length the different scenes that mean a lot
to you specifically with you know, Karina, Is there a
non romantic scene that you had in the Marina world
that you just love a.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Non romantic scene?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
What's crazy some people are asking about scenes of way
and I'm like, I'm trying to It's crazy how they
start to slip from your memory.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
They're like wells, and then people.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Remind you, Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love
that one. There's some of those early scenes were so
had such great memories wrapped up in them because me
and Stefani were really discovering the characters and the relationship
as it went on, whether it was like her like
bringing me lasagna in the in the office, like simple
(20:35):
like just sexy scenes. Those also were fun scenes because
at the beginning of as we know as adults, is
any relationship, there's that kind of like lust and passion.
Before you know, Maya divulged all of her dark secrets
and all that stuff came out I should say dark secrets,
but that's that dark side of my came out. And
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so I really enjoyed those like early early scenes. Yeah,
I'm trying to remember of other little ones that we
just got and just means to Fannie how to blast,
just kind of playing man.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's hard to think back on so many.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, you've done a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
We've done a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I always love because you said what the ones that weren't?
Which ones am I going for ones that weren't.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I feel like you've talked a lot about the romantic scenes.
There were many other ones too.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That one's romantic too, though I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I mean, I always loved which is the humorous one,
which I think this is the funny I will disagree
with me on this one. But the her getting the
IVF shots and like just the emotional rollercoaster she went
on while she was getting the hormone injection.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Sorry, was so.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Much fun to watch and so much fun to be
a part of. And having Great Dame in there too
to add a little extra humor.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
To play that as an actor and as the character
to be able because it was still emotional, We were
still able to connect. But it wasn't I would necessarily say,
your typical version of romance. It was kind of a
more real, real version of love showing up when you
know one person's being pumped and hormones and being completely.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Emotional and irrational and.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And you know, it's humorous, but it's also heartfelt, Like yeah,
that that whole storyline.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I really loved that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Which I think the flip side of that is when
Maya had the panic attack when they went to La
and she herself valued put herself her own work so
much in her job, and Karina was there for her
while she was having a full on meltdown. I think
those scenes, though not typically romantic, really really showcase their
love for each other.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I really loved this. Now, see it took me a second,
but I got there.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I was like, yeah, yeah, this scenes really really held
a lot of weight for me.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Oh yeah. I mean the way you brought this character
to life is nothing short of brilliant, and it's it's
why it resonates with so many people. It's not the
writing's amazing and it's phenomenal, but the artist has to
bring it to life in a way that's believable that
people buy, right. So it's a testament to the work
that you guys certainly did. I just when you were talking,
I just had a thought that your character needs to
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be in the nine one one World Ryan Murphy show,
Like what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean that'd be amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's funny you bring that up because Tracy Toms is
in the nine one one world and I just saw
her this weekend. She'd be like, Okay, tell Ryan, we
need to come over to nine one one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean yeah, I would be listen.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'll take any world that wants to accept my bishop
with open arms.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. It's so interesting
to me that earlier you bring up you know, you're
as an actor, either employed or unemployed, and it's such
a It sounds kind of so like, oh my god,
that's so harsh on yourself, but I guess the reality
is that's what it is. Right. So you're in this
period of transition and you've been working like crazy for
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so many years, and now you're kind of seeing what
comes next. Is that an uncomfortable place for you to sit?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, big time. That was when it first hit. That's
why I've been like what do I want to do?
There's also I think anyone this, any profession, you sometimes
get so wrapped up in work that you forget like
what are your hobbies? What do you actually enjoy to do?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Enjoy doing? Even though we enjoy our work. I enjoy
my work.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I'm assuming you do as well, like we enjoy doing this,
but what do you love to do outside of work?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And that's what's so uncomfortable because I'm.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Sitting in silence, kind of bored, going like what do
I want to do with my time when I'm usually
so used to it being work driven And I'm still
sitting here like auditioning like crazy, so that is I'm
still doing all of that element of it. But I'm like,
you know, after the self tape and after the Zoom meeting,
what do I want to do?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And that it took a second.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Like I'm also not someone who sits uncomfortable for too long.
I went through a phase in my early twenties where
I kind of had a pity party.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I had this show.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It only went one season, and I put so much
into it, and I thought it was going to be
everything and it was my everything for that one season
and it just bombed. It failed, nothing happened with it,
and I sat in my early twenties, I was like
twenty twenty one in.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This like pity party, like kind of.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Sulking and you know, just self pity constantly, and I
never want to get to that place again. So I'm
someone who moves pretty fast. So I'm like, this is uncomfortable.
How do I fix it? Like, I want to solve
the problem. I don't want to waste precious time of
my life, you know, sitting too much in that.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I want to solve it. So I was uncomfortable to
know what to do. And then I just started trying things.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And that's where learning French and playing tennis and it
came from because I was like, let me use this
time to really tap into things that make me happy
that aren't associated work. So yeah, So it's definitely uncomfortable
to sit in and it's definitely weird. It's definitely better
coming off of a show of seven seasons. As an actor,
I'm obviously much more financially sound, which as actors, a
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lot of times it's working from job to job, you know.
I think sometimes people always think like it's so glamorous
and you make all this money. It's like, no, I'm
not bread pitt like you know, so you really But
the lovely thing is that I had stability for seven seasons,
seven years. I'm able to kind of walk away going Okay,
I'm financially stable. I'm completely okay. I don't have to
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stress about jumping to the next job and having to
take any job that they put in front of me,
which gives me a lot of creative freedom as well,
which I really love.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But yeah, it's definitely uncomfortable. I'm in it now.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm sitting in it like it's I'm going through the
process of it and really trying to utilize the time
to spend it with family, to find the things I love,
to take on new hobbies. I'm like growing arugula and
I'm hopefully it won't kill it because I have a whore.
I do not have a green thumb. I've killed cactuses
like cactive. I don't know how, but I've killed them.
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So really taking this time to feed my soul in
ways that aren't through acting and through art.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I mean still through art, but different versions of art.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Imagine that really helps you not have such a choke
hold on wrapping your entire identity into your work, which,
as you mentioned earlier, is something that's you're working on.
And imagine there's a work in progress for all of us, right,
But that's also got to feel kind.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Of freeing, screeing and a little scary. I mean, there's
also something that when you're so comfortable wrapping up your
identity in a job, it's scary.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
To go, Okay, well if my job isn't that what
is it?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And that is what I'm sitting in right now, which
is a little scary, But I'm figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm figuring it out day by day.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah. Yeah, in my life, I've realized the moments where
I feel that the most, and when I've learned through
the work to let go, through doing a lot of work,
to let go a little bit. That's also when some
of the wildest things have entered my life. Yeah, which
is a weird thing.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It always happens that way, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Though.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's like when you kind of like relinquish.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Control and just kind of decide to go on the
ride and listen to your heart and gut in the
moment and be in the present, all of those things,
it starts to kind of all things start to come
into place or fall into place that you just never
would have expected.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But it's easier said than.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Done, as we both know it is. It's totally easier
said than done. This might be a hard question to answer,
but I'm curious because I have my thoughts on this myself.
Is part of the uncomfortable and unsettling part of being
in transition for you, being worried or wondering what other
people are saying about what you are or you aren't doing.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's such an interesting question what people are saying.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
What.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, I think that absolutely is a factor.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's not, thank god, the main factor, the main thing
going on, but it definitely I think. I think, especially
with going back to social media and our whole lives
being on display for everybody, there is that world of like, yeah,
what a great question, trying to think of how though
it really shows itself for.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Me, I work on a television show called Extra. You know,
there's a full time gal here in New York and
I'm her counterpart. But I'm a freelancer for them, and
I've been doing it for years and years and years,
and they're great to me, their family, and I love them.
But when I first started, and I didn't have this show,
and I just got off the Rachel Ray Show, which
ended after seventeen seasons, and I was her kind of
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lifestyle correspondent for six years, so I was kind of
in transition and then that came about, and all I
wanted was full time, full time, full time. I need
that full time. I need it full time. I realized
years later a lot of that for me was a
little bit of ego, like, well, what are people saying?
Are they saying? Why is he not on every night?
And why has he only appeared twice a week and
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this girl's on three times a week? And then I
started catching myself like why am I so worried what
other people are thinking or not thinking? Maybe I'm just
thinking that like no one cares except me, probably, So
why am I so concerned? Like it's not like, oh man,
I love the work so much, I wish I was
full time. That's not what I was saying. I was saying,
Oh man, I wonder what these people are saying not
seeing me every night on the show. Oh And it's
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like whoa. That was a big aha for me, and
I've really worked on that myself, and it opened up
this whole world where you know, we're here talking on
the show, and I had my own show at iHeart
and all the things. So it's an interesting topic.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
To me, it is, and you're right, there's something about
it that is it is obviously feels from like our
ego and that comparison game and trying to feel like, oh,
everyone else is holding us to this instead of looking at, oh,
this is a successful thing. I'm doing these two three days,
you know, a week. Instead it's not all week. People
look at it as successful and we're looking at as
it's not enough, right, and it's.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And it's a whole whild to me because the reality
is it's a budget thing, like they just can't afford
me full time, otherwise they would.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But it's also it's still successful, do you know what
I mean? Like that's still a huge thing that so
many people that want you know what I mean like
that would love that, and you're like, we always want more.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
It's a really interesting question that I'm probably going to
think on a lot even after this interview, this chat.
I don't want to call it an interview. It's like
more just us chatting. But yeah, it's it's interesting. I
didn't feel like I would say I felt that a
lot more that exact feeling when I was younger. Absolutely
it felt like I had to I had to do
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it for everyone else, not for me. I do feel
like I'm in a different headspace now. I'm not doing
it because I need to prove to people.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I feel like I've lost that. I feel like I
don't have to have to prove it. I'm like, I've
proven myself.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm there.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I'm really just trying to challenge myself with the jobs
that I choose. But there is an element of like,
but that's not the full truth, Like there is an
element of keeping up with jones Is in regards to
your life in general. You know, do I need to
look like I'm busy in doing things and having a
great time, like what social media kind of pulls out
of us sometimes?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
This is going to be a question that really makes
me kind of I'm like, we need to revisit this.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I know it's a big question, it really is, and
it's it's such an interesting one. I think a lot
of people listening probably have felt that in some way,
shape or form, and and it's so nice to be
on the other side of that and to literally be like,
I don't really give a fuck what anyone thinks I'm
you know, like I'm I'm so proud of everything I'm doing,
Like so it's just nice to go through that and
then to have that aha and be like no, I
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don't care about that. So it's yeah, it's super interesting.
And there's I imagine a lot of people listening right
now who probably feel a little stuck or also in
transition or like where is this all going in my life?
So what advice would you give to them to kind
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of ease their little journey?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I mean everyone, I agree, is a lot of it
feels like on a global scale right now, this is
happening where everyone is kind of going on this transition,
in this journey to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
And I think kind of what we said is kind
of for anyone out there that is going through it,
like go on the ride. Don't fight it, like, don't
try to cont it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know, keep an open mind and open eyes to
what's in front of you. Because sometimes I think we're
so set in our ways of like I have to
do this, this is what I have to do, and
we actually miss the thing that was right here that
really was more of our calling or more or would
have given us more fulfillment or something instead of this
thing that we're so set on. It doesn't have to
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be a different thing just just a different path than
what we kind of saw things. You know, I think
we want to control so much because control seems to
be this false sense of safety and security when really
you can't control anything at all, like as you and
I both know, like we have zero control. And so
for anyone out there, I think it's like, like, take
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a breath, relax, just try to go on the journey
and enjoy the journey.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And sometimes, as we, I think everyone that's gotten too some.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Goal that they've tried to achieve, if you don't enjoy
the journey, you get to the goal and it happens
and you're like, okay, now what and you realize like, oh, actually,
I was supposed to enjoy that entire ride, the ups
and downs, and be happy and celebrate whatever it is
that you get to or you're striving for. But then
after you celebrate, you kind of go, okay, now what right?
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And I think if you don't really enjoy this journey
that you're on, this transitional journey, then you're going to
it's a missed opportunity. So I think that'd be my advice. Again,
I know all of this is easier said than done,
because when you're in that headspace of.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Feeling lost or just unsure. I know so many people
that have reached out to me in their early twenties.
They're like, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And I'm like, listen to. Early twenties were the hardest
years of my life. But I would not change it
for anything in the world. Like I grew so much
as a person. There are definitely moments I loved and
moments I absolutely hated. But I'm so grateful that I
went on that journey and that at times was like, Okay,
I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna let go. I'm just
going to go for it and look at you know
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where I'm where I was able to get to by
doing that, So yeah, that would be my I hope
people can hear that and not just feel kind of
helpless that they're like, how do I do that?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Just do it?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Just let go, Yes, let go. I love that, And
I love that you just said, you know, you could
look at where you are now and be like, you know,
I did it, I'm doing good. I just had that.
I live on a street in New York where there's
a university, and I saw all the kids today going
back to school and I'm like, God, I remember when
I was moving into n y U and I'm like,
you know what, that little dude would be pretty happy
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right now.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yes, Yeah, isn't that always kind of like gives me
goosebumps some like warm fuzzy feeling to be like, yeah, okay, okay,
we did it.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, we did it exactly, We're doing it, We're still
doing it. We did all of it. I know. I
think it's a good reminder for all of us to
kind of check ourselves once in a while in a
good way, because we don't do that a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
To congratulate ourselves, right a little bit like.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Like that wasn't easy.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
We both know in our own stories like what we
went through, the good and the bad, the good, the bad,
and the ugly, and it says a lot that where
we're at. So anyone out there that's going through something,
try to try to applaud yourself for the actual wins
that you've accomplished. To not just look at all the
things that you consider I don't consider anything failure, but
the things that you might consider as not.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Wins for sure. No, no, in the spirit of you know,
continuing to grow and evolve, we are about I mean,
we're halfway the years, halfway over. It's more than halfway over, right,
so it is crazy. I can't believe it. It's September
in a week. So what is what is something you
hope to start doing, stop doing, and continue doing for
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the rest.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Of them start doing, stop doing, and continue doing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Continue will definitely be finding myself outside of work. That's
something I'm really enjoying. I don't know what else I'm
going to get into or try. Who knows, maybe I'll start,
i know what, you know, sewing close or learning how
to build something with my hands. But that I want
to absolutely continue to do. And then what I want
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to stop doing. I mean I want to stop stressing
about everything, because that still exists, you know kind of
I'm in that moment of to say as I as
do as I say, not as I do, like I'm
telling everyone, like, live in the moment. But even I
sometimes stress about stuff on a daily basis. But I
meditate a lot, continue meditating for sure. So yeah, I
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think I want to stop I'm not trying to control
the future, but I am still stressed about it.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I would like to stop stressing like.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
That feeling kind of happens, and I'm not living in it,
but it happens, and then I have to calm myself,
remind myself to Niel, You're fine, You're good.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Your worth is not wrapped up in your work, like
enjoy this time.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So I would like to get to a point where
I'm not having to do that on a daily basis
of like calming yourself down. And what I love to
start doing?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Why is that so hard?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's another big.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
One is the thing I think that comes up for
me is I'd love to start doing more things that
scare me, which is kind of I don't know that
all kind of everything is kind of the start the
things I want to continue and the things I want
to start, and I guess the things I want to
stop are all kind of obviously interwoven with each other.
But I want to really start doing things that scare me.
You know, I have this desire to want to do theater,
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and even though I have this downtime and I have
things at my fingertips to start that that really scares me,
I want to really start prioritizing the things that fulfill
me more too. Whatever that is, you know, I think
right now I'm really going through a phase where I'm like, Okay,
I really want to spend time with you know, my
best friend and his daughter, and you know, my partner
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and kids and be like not having to do things,
but just sit in the backyard and play by the
pool and keep it simple. So I guess I want
to start all the s's. I want to start doing
the things that scare me and keeping things more simple.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
M Oh, I love that. I love that. That's a
good one.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
What about you? I always want to know more about.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You, I know, but it's not about me. That's for
coffee in New York City. That's for coffee in New
York City.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's about I'm going to hold you to that.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That's when you're doing your off Broadway or Broadway show
in New York. Then we'll be going to dinners there
we go.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I'd love to hear that.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Is that something you would do?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
You mentioned theater, I would love to I mean, don't
get me wrong, I'm scared shitless, let's be honest, scared
shitless for theater. I'm someone who's a perfectionist and comes
to set prepared and I love to get it in
one take, in the whole thing. But theater, there's no
there's no there's no take too. I think I would
after the nerves, really love performing in front of a
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live audience. But it's the scary part of like, you,
really you can't mess up one and done and then
do it eight days a week, eight times, I should say,
not eight days a week, there's not eight days.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Already getting anxious thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I am just even the thought of it's so true.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Ball But because it scares you, I bet you you
will be doing it one day. Now.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know me too well at this point I think
you're like, I shall be doing this.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, she'll be doing I'll see some deadline come out
and be like, oh yeah, okay. Oh you know that
Oprah gift where she's like, you know, that's what I'm
going to do when I read that. So I love
that for you, Oh my god, Danielle. I just this
for me is a really fun conversation because yes, we
got to celebrate you know, work that means so much
to so many people. But I also love having you
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on because we talk about real things that you're gracious
and open enough to talk about, because it's human right
and there's always there's not always but there's sometimes a
veil in my business when I talk to some people,
or you just don't have enough time to get into it,
and some of the most powerful things emerge, I think
from conversations like this, which is why I've been really
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excited and looking forward to speaking to you again. Because
we all all change and evolve, and when we talked
a year ago, you're not who you are today as
you were then, right, And I think that's the goal
of many people. It certainly seems to be a goal
of yours. It's a goal of mine. So it's always
once to do these check ins and catchups. And with
that being said, you know the name of the show,
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which is I've never said this before, and it was born,
you know, very very very specifically out of wanting more
connection after working so many red carpets and so many junkets,
and you know, not really having time to dive deeper
than I think a lot of people want to be
able to do. So with that being said, is there
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anything you open book you that you can think of
that you haven't said before that you want to say today.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I always struggle this with this one, and I think,
like I said it, I think I've told.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You of a phone like the last time, it's this
thing happened where I said love yourself for yourself and
I did resonates with so many people and it just
came from such an organic place.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Was so scared going into this, like what do I say?
And I kept trying to think about it, and in
the end, I was.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Like, whatever has said, whatever I say, is just going
to be what I say, going the flow, not trying
to control it for.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
This entire conversation.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
And I think what's really come up for me just
in this conversation, and what I'm really grappling with now
is that I'm very I'll say what I've guess I've
never said before.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
It's giving me anxiety my chest just to say it is.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
I'm really scared that I'm never going to be able
to play another character that had such an impact on
an audience and that made that I had such a
connection with and that both I and the audience loved
so much. Like I'm really I'm scared. I'm scared that
that that that was it. You know that I'll continue
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to act, but I'll never play a character that meant
so much to me and so many others and I
can't control that, and I don't know, but it scares
me that it won't happen. So yeah, I think that's
something that I've never said and down right this second,
but that really came from this conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You know, that's a big fear of mine.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's first of all, thank you for sharing that. I
know that's probably not something that you would just you know,
share in any interview. It's it's a big thing to
say because it deals with such raw and real emotion,
and that's that's a testament to how much you love
this role and how much you know she meant to you,
not just the people who watched her, but to you,
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which is a really beautiful thing to see. And I
guess my next follow up question to that is how
how do you decide what you want to take on
moving forward knowing that that's kind of in the back
of your head.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I'm trying to not overthink the next thing, like I
tried not to even overthink when I booked found knowing
that she was really like I knew she was going
to be a villain, like she was not going to
be anything like Maya.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think I can't overthink it, is what my gut
is saying right now, because I didn't know what Maya
was going to be when I signed on.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I knew I resonated with her, and I think that's
just what I have to do, is if a character
resonates me in some way, even if it's just it
challenges me as an actor, I just have to go
for it. And if that character ends up resonating with people,
then I'm that.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
More grateful for it. But I just.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Know I can't control that. I think it's just the
fear that I'm sad that it might not ever happen again.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I think people will love some of the characters I play,
but speaking on the word that love is like people
loved Maya so much. I loved Maya so much. Do
people still love me now that I'm not Maya? And
hopefully they'll still love the characters I play, no matter
who they are. So it's multi layered, but I can't
overthink it. I definitely, of course, my team is always
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known that from day one. I've always been someone who
wants to play strong female characters. I think that's someone
thing that if you look at my whole body of
work through my entire career. My team has usually been
pretty on top of just make it a strong female character,
even if she's a villain, Like is she strong?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And is she a badass? And is she flawed?
Speaker 3 (45:15):
And we can somehow see her, you know, working through
her issues.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
That's something I'll always lean into a character that's strong.
But but yeah, I just can't. I don't know. I
don't know the answer. We don't have all the answers, right.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. That's a really really cool thing
to open up about, and I thank you for that
because it's such a it's such a real thing. Do
you do you write.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Scripts? Or I was like, which one? I dabble?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
But know, me and Emily Culver, one of the writers
of Station nineteen, have developed a project.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
But she is the writer.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Even though she wants me to say I'm a writer
as well, I don't consider myself a writer.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I love creating.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Maybe one day I will sit in front of you know,
screenwriter or final draft and actually start writing myself.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
But I love the creative process. So yeah, why do
you ask what was the why?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I could just see you writing something really cool and
just based on how you speak and the storyteller you are,
and you know your career, but also as a human,
I could just see something really passionate come to life
from you. I want to be surprised if one day
you were inspired and just started writing a pilot or
a screenplay or something.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
When I'm too old to.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Be in front of the camera, when I like when
they're like, oh no, she's too old. Sorry you find
the camera start writing. No, no, I listen. I'm someone
who loves this job so much. I love the arts.
I love storytelling that I can always imagine myself in
kind of every element. But I am not someone at
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this current stage that would consider myself.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
A writer, but maybe one day. I mean, I love it.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I'm passionate about this whole industry and every the active storytelling.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So we'll see. And thank you for that though, Thanks
for the belief.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, I got you. I am here to champion you
on your birthday, Eve Dan Oh thank you, I oh
my god, thank you, just thank you for hanging out again.
I've been been really looking forward to this.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
No so of I and thank you, thank you for
making it happen, because I I for people that are listening,
like I really was hesitanted.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
First, I was like, Tommy, what do we going to
talk about? It's like I feel like, you know, that
lack of like my work, Like I was like, I
don't have anything to talk about. There's no job. So
I just want to.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Say thank you for getting me to get out of
my shew and talk about this stuff. And it's always
a pleasure talking to you, And thank you for believe
your belief in me always because I will say, going
back to a little bit we just talked about, is
all it takes is one person to believe in you
to really kind of spark that passion to be able
to think you can do something.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Even if it's a crazy idea like being a writer.
I'm telling me things, I can be a writer. I
can do it. No, So thank you for such amazing conversations.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
And I hope we get to catch up in properly
get to talk about you as well.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
This one sided conversation.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
I would love to get to talk to you and
catch up on your life in your one of these
days over copies.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Well, you let me know when you're here. It's on.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, it might be soon, so I'll let you.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Know okay, good, well, thank you so much. My love
always a pleasure, and I'm going to be I'm going
to be watching you closely, seeing what's coming.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's same to you. I'll be whatever you do next.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I'll be watching so well, be well, and thank you
so much, thank you. I've Never Said This Before is
hosted by Me, Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced
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I'm Tommy Dederio
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Two
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with
me Tommy di Dario. My guest today is the magical
actress Danielle Savory, who is one of those people that
you chat with and time just stands still. I was
so utterly absorbed in the present during this conversation that
I had no idea almost an hour had gone by.
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Danielle has such a gift with bringing characters to life.
But it's due her portrayal of Maya Bishop in Station
nineteen for seven Seasons that the world just fell in
love with her. It's a character that will forever live
on to so many as one of the most important
representations of love for the LGBTQ plus community. And today
is a conversation that is good for the soul. It's
(00:45):
like a cup of soup, good for the heart and soul. Yes,
we are celebrating the work of hers that you love,
but then we are taking on so many things that
we all experience in everyday life that perhaps we don't
always feel comfortable talking about. It is such a special episode,
So let's see if today we can get Danielle to
say something that she has never said before. Danielle Savory Hi, Hi,
(01:13):
tell me how are you? I am so good. We
have been wanting to do this for a long time.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Now we have. When was our last one? Do you
remember when it was exactly?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I mean it was well over a year. I think
it was May twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Wow, I know, I know, I'm flies. So we stayed
in touch the whole time.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yes, yes we have, and we tried to do something
the beginning of the year, but then, of course the
horrific fires happened and that was just crazy for everybody.
So I'm glad you're safe and sound and you're here
today looking like a dream.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's all an illusion. It's like straight through exhaustion.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But I got to come out to New York one
of these days and actually see you in person too, Hug.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I know we would love to have you in New York.
That would be so much fun. I have to start
by saying, this is a very special day because is
this not your birthday? Eve?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Birthday?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Eve?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It is your birthday, Eve. Are you a birthday girl?
Do you love a celebration?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I used to?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I mean I say I used to so cautiously because
I always every year go all out and this year
for some reason, I was so tired and like last
year was a little bit too. And I don't know
if this just happens with age two, but everybody's like,
what do you want to do for your birthday?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I was like, nothing, I want.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
To like sleep and get a massage. But it's unique
because I usually go all out. I mean I've done
in the past. I've rented yachts, I've had huge blowouts,
I've gone on like crazy trips to Italy. Like I
usually go all out. So I don't know why this
year I was wanting something. I mean, what am I
talking about? The year has been crazy with travels. I
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think it was just the month of August. I was like,
this is my one month to relax, and so I'm
kind of easy my birthday as an excuse.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But we'll see. We'll see if after my birthday passes.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
With this kind of very calm birthday that I want
this year, that if I end up kind of regretting that.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I hope I don't. I hope that I'm very happy
with this decision. But we'll see. When it passes. I'll
love my friends and it.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Can be a birthday month, so you.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Know, exactly, but usually am what about you? Are you
a big birthday? Birthday person?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
You could be like hit or miss it kind of like,
you know, it depends. I've done some really big things
for it and then not not so much other years.
So we'll see. January is a very big birthday for me.
It's forty.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
See that is where I'm kind of because I'm turning
thirty seven, and so this is where I'm kind of
in this middle ground of like I kind of want
to wait. I kind of want to keep it chill,
and then forty go big? So are you doing something
big for your fortieth?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I have to figure it out. You know. It's funny.
My husband's starning forty in October and I've been like,
what do you want to do? What do you want
to do? And he's like, you know, I don't actually
want a big party. I want you and I to
go to Milan and just like see Lake Como and
have a few days in Italy. So I'm taking him
to Italy And that's his fortieth.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's perfect. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Now when we get older too, you're kind of like
I just want like the simple, like just you and
your partner or you know, just the closest closest people, which, yeah,
it evolves as we get older. But forty, I'm surprised
he doesn't want to. Well, going to Lake Como is huge.
What am I talking about? You guys are still going
all out. It's just the two of you, which is
really special.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, I'm excited and we'll do like little you know,
smaller dinners with different groups of friends and stuff. But
it should be it should be really really fun. I'm
much more of that, like let's have a massive party
and like great with a thousand balloons, and he's like,
let's go away. So we'll see what I end up
doing in January. But do you get really reflective that?
Like when I have a birthday, I'm so kind of
emo and reflective, and I think of all the things.
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Do you get like that or not? Really?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
I have it in the past, not that I can recall. No,
I might be now that I'm getting older. I'll report
back after Tomorrow's birthday. But like if it starts to happen,
I don't think I ever had before. I always looked
at birthdays as Also to add to this is it
was a way to go all of my friends into
getting together in one place on one day. And I
would always tell them that because so many of my
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friends live in different states, in different cities, and it
was this great way of being like, it's my birthday,
so all of you guys have to do what I
say and come on this boat or come on this thing,
because so many of our lives get so busy with
kids and work, and so it was kind of a
nice I do enjoy that about birthdays, talking about being reflective,
and I would love getting I love sitting back and
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getting to see all of my friends.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Who all love each other.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
It's just life gets complicated, but all of us get
together and just laugh, and.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I really enjoy that.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, that's by basically what I love about birthdays. So
we'll see if I missed that this year, because.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I'm not going to get that.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, well, I hope whatever you end up doing, whether
it's chilling or deciding to go all out in two weeks,
you're going to have a great time. And I'm sending
you birthday wishes, and today we are celebrating you. So
I'm so happy you're here. Thank you, thank you, so Danielle.
Oh my goodness, you have played so many different characters
that you know people love, and you've showed such great range,
and it's just always a joy to see what you
(06:03):
have up your sleeve. Of course, I feel like the
world fell in love with you through playing Maya in
Station nineteen for seven seasons, which is just such an
accomplishment in itself. Shows do not go on for that long,
So that's like, whoa, seven seasons? My god. Not many
artists can say that. And it's been about a year
and change since that went off the air. How would
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you say you've grown or changed the most as a
person in this last year.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh my gosh, I feel like I've actually grown a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And to try to quantify how it's going to be
a little difficult, but I'm sure you'll get it out
of me. It was interesting when Station nineteen ended, I
kind of did this kind of like hit the ground running,
and I was like, Okay, I know how lucky as
an actor I am to be on the show for
seven seasons, and I knew I was like, I need
to get out there and try to get.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
A job right off the bat.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Like that was kind of my motivation right when it ended,
even though I was grieving Station nineteen ending, and I
was lucky and great to get a job right away.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Going to Found.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
And I've evolved as an actor playing a different character,
having the confidence to know I can play a character
that was so different than Maya. And then Found ended
and is officially not going for a third season. And
that's when officially like hit me. I just like this
moment of like, oh my god, Station nineteen is over, over,
Like I don't know why.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I was kind of in this like yeah, I don't
know what it's called.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I was like in this middle area thinking like okay,
I'll finish Found and then I'll go back to Station nineteen.
And it really hit me once Found was officially over
that I was like, oh, wow, no, no, it's over, like
that era, that character, that story being told is over.
And so that it's been a process ever since, probably
(07:48):
only like about June that I've been like, wow, I'm
really mourning and grieving the loss of my bishop. I
love that she lives on, obviously in streaming the streaming world,
but getting to play her and put on the uniform
and tell such important stories.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
So I've grieved, and.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
That doesn't really talk about me evolving. I'm trying to
now think of how I've evolved. I evolved as an actor.
I think I evolved the most of the whole playe Maya.
While I was on the show. I evolved so much
and then was able to once it ended, go Okay, now,
let me take all these tools that are my tool
belt that I learned playing this character. Because the writers
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gave me such amazing material and really tested the limits
of what I was capable of doing, that I was
able to then jump onto another character and use these tools,
and so I was able to walk with that confidence.
So I've evolved as a more confident actress. I've evolved
as a more confident person. I've really learned for some
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I don't know if this is through personal things in
life or through the worlds of social media and having
a character that's so beloved and.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No matter who you are on social media, you see
the good and the.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Bad of that world, and I've had to basically, and
I said it recently, I was like walk away going like, Okay,
I'm not everyone's cup of tea, and it's the best
way to take on the world of criticism, which is
very much at everyone's fingertips these days. So I've gotten
thicker skin but also been able to, weirdly enough and
I don't know, maybe just through therapy, still maintain my vulnerability.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
With the fans, because it's hard.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It's hard to be vulnerable and also get backlash for
something someone doesn't like, something someone just doesn't like you.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm not everyone's cup of tea. But I've definitely grown
a thicker skin, but somehow, and I'm really grateful for this,
being able to maintain my vulnerability with the fans or
with just audience members in general that connect in one
way or another. So that's something I really have grown
and evolved a lot from when I never thought it's
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so crazy. Every time I talk to my therapist about
social media, it is like it feels weird to be
talking about social media in this context in a therapy session,
and you realize it's such a huge part of our
lives that having a healthy relationship with it is really important.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
What else did I evolve in?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I was like, I've become more at peace and not
feeling like I always need to even though I'm still
always tired. I don't know how that's happening, but really
learn to just be at peace with even right now,
I'm really taking this down time, even though obviously can
be so anxiety provoking to be an actor who's unemployed.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Everyone always is like, you're not unemployed.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I like you are. You're either working or you're not.
Like those are the two versions of being an actor.
You're on the hunt for a job, but those are
really what you are.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And so I've really learned to take this time as
going okay.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I have the confidence that another job is going to come,
because obviously that anxiety can come, you know, wash over
you that it's never going to happen again. But I
know that another job's going to come, and so I'm
really trying to utilize this time to find things I love.
I didn't really have hobbies before I started working when
I was seven with printing commer and then did my
first TV show when I was twelve, and so I've
(11:03):
always find it kind of been on this hamster wheel.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I'm finally, for the first time, after a very
successful show that's that fulfilled me so much, I have this.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Downtime and it scared me at first, and now I've like,
I'm taking tennis lessons, I'm learning French.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Like shout out to do a lingo.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So I'm really trying reading books, like I'm really trying
to utilize it and find peace with just being in
the calm.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So those are I think the ways I've evolved.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Those are good ways to evolve. There's there's a lot
to dive into here. And this is why I love
talking to you. You you are like my type of person.
Can we could have a forty hour long podcast? Look,
I just I'm I'm here for all of this. So
the first thing I want to touch on, I guess
is I find it so interesting it really started. You
(11:54):
really started your grieving process for that role for Maya
in June, which is well over a year after the
show oh finished. And that's so interesting that I feel like,
in a way, you mentioned you were on the hunt
for another job and you were auditioning, and like you
almost didn't want to allow yourself that time to grieve, right,
you just kind of threw yourself in work and you
booked something immediately, and that was just that in a way,
(12:15):
it was one of your forms of grief. But then
June hits and you're like, oh my god, wait, it's
kind of quiet right now, and now I really have
to face my feelings on this.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, no, it's great when you actually say it back
to me too, because that is what it was. It
was really trying to avoid the inevitable of feeling that grief,
So that is what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But yeah, it's been. It was a weird it hit me.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
It took me a second to realize when June hit
what it was because I was like, what is happening
with me?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I was just super emotional and super like.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just kind of I felt like my worth was so
wrapped up in my work, and specifically playing a character
for seven years was wrapped up in Maya, so I
could kind of I delayed that grief until after found
because I was able to get in too, immerse myself
into another character. But once that was over, I was
really yeah, I was really kind of like, wow, who
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am I if I'm not playing my bishop?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
That's something I think so real for so many of us.
I mean, I've certainly gone through That've been insied my
worth to different types of jobs and different shows I'm on,
and you know, it's a it's a slippery slope, but
we do it. We do it, and I think the
realization that you have, or that maybe you're having right now,
is that you're so much more beyond just the work.
Is really powerful and something that I wish I learned,
(13:38):
you know, a couple of years ago, even myself. So
I love that. I love this journey for you. I'm
really here for all of this. This is so This
is so nice to hear when someone's kind of seeing
themselves in not just a workhorse light and that's all
you have to offer because you have so much to offer.
So it's cool that you're on this journey for sure.
Do you allow yourself to to kind of fantasize what
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if one day it comes back? What if one day
I get to play it again? Or is that too
hard for you to do? Is it too does it
on least too many feelings?
Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, I actually would be.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I would I would be jumping for joy if if
this came back, if I got to play my bishop.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I mean, I will crack jokes with people over at grades,
being like.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Just bring her back, Like I'll just stand in the background,
just let me put the uniform back on.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So I would be so happy.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It would probably be emotional, but still so happy if
this if my Bishop were able to come back in
some form. But you know, it's it's it's actually harder
just to think about it because at this point it's
so hard to believe that that would happen.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I used to hold so much like same station nineteen
and I used to hold so much hope, and it
just feels like the further we get from from it ending,
the harder it is to believe that that is a possibility.
But yeah, I'm like, like, you know, a little kid
like that, I always a little hope and dream that
maybe one day.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, you have to. You have to hold on to
any sort of hope and dreaming because why not. It
doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt, It doesn't hurt, and you
don't know what it puts out in the universe. Another
thing that I love about the work you've done is
how much the character specifically meant to an entire community
of people. And I know this is something you've spoken
about quite a bit, but for me, like and I
(15:24):
probably told you this in conversation at some point. I
never grew up with that sort of a representation of
a couple, whether they were two women together or two men.
I just didn't. So it's just so cool that that's
something that makes so many people feel seen, and that
will live on forever, forever and ever and ever, and
that will always exist as one of the most important
couples to so many people. Of course, the name was
(15:48):
dubbed Marina, right Mayan Carena. Yeah, did you have a
specific moment where you realized the magnitude of that.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It was definite delayed.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I mean in the moment, we were just loving playing
these characters, me and Stefania, and it probably didn't hit me.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Till honestly.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
A season after the character because we I think we
it was season three and then season four. I think
that because we were also living the pandemic, so we
also didn't know the reach it was having because you're
talking to people on social media, you really just don't know
what it's like out in the real world because we
weren't having access to it. So it probably wasn't until
after like season four, like two seasons of basically or
(16:33):
season and a half playing this couple that really it hit
me the impact it was having. And also from episode
episode we didn't know what was what was gonna happen
with the characters, but Yeah, it took a long time
to realize it, and I don't know why that is necessarily,
but it has meant so much to me.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
And going back to what you.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Said, it's I love that we do live in the
world of streaming these days where that show, hopefully forever,
will always be something that people can watch, especially those
that need that representation, that feel alone because it's so important,
and I just don't I see. It feels like less
and less.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Right now, which is weird, but with characters like this.
But but yeah, I'm happy it's going to live on.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But it took me a long time to realize the
impact it had, And honestly, it was probably also I
do as I think you know, I do a lot
of the fan conventions.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I love interacting with fans, like love.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
It, And it probably also didn't fully hit me until
the first fan convention. Walking into a room with hundreds
and hundreds of people and getting to hear their stories firsthand.
It was something that at first scared me. I didn't
realize how much of an impact it was going to
have on me. I was nervous walking into it. I
was like what to expect and realizing and getting to
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hear people's stories firsthand, because on social media you're still,
you know, so many comments and messages that it's hard
to keep up and you're getting little snippets. But in person,
you're getting those couple minutes getting to stand and talk
to somebody and hug them and hear their story and
get to hear how much this character meant to them
in so many different ways. And that was probably where
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it hit me the hardest. It also put the most
pressure on me. It actually kind of scared me because
I was like, Wow, I was like this, this means
so much to so many I can't screw this.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Up, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, that's something that I guess because I'm not an actor,
I don't I wouldn't think of it is. Yeah, I'm
sure that is stressed inducing to know there's a relationship
that actually signifies so much more to people than just
the characters, that goes beyond that. That does feel like pressure.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, well, it was funny.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
This whole show in general Station nineteen had the pressure
of At first, it was the pressure to represent female
firefighters because my sister is one, and then it switched
and it's this pressure of really representing an authentic queer
character and a queer couple on network television, and that
became so important to me.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But yeah, there's that pressure to be like, don't screw
this up.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
But what I realized, and maybe I was doing it
in the moment because I put so much pressure on
myself at first once it hit me, is I started going, Okay, no,
the only thing I can do is just be honest
and vulnerable and play it as real as possible, like
I'm not trying as much as I want to make
everyone happy. You're not going to make everyone happy. But
I have to just play this authentic and true. And
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then leaned into what the writers gave me, which is
really I mean, they get the big award for it
because they really wrote such an amazing character in such
an amazing couple.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well, I'm glad you didn't have anxiety for the entire
seven seasons of the show.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, go in different ways, in very different ways.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
I feel like us actors are kind of walking around
as anxious balls of energy anyways.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But yeah, yeah, Well, to put a little pin on
this part of the conversation, I know you've talked about
in the length the different scenes that mean a lot
to you specifically with you know, Karina, Is there a
non romantic scene that you had in the Marina world
that you just love a.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Non romantic scene?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
What's crazy some people are asking about scenes of way
and I'm like, I'm trying to It's crazy how they
start to slip from your memory.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
They're like wells, and then people.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Remind you, Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love
that one. There's some of those early scenes were so
had such great memories wrapped up in them because me
and Stefani were really discovering the characters and the relationship
as it went on, whether it was like her like
bringing me lasagna in the in the office, like simple
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like just sexy scenes. Those also were fun scenes because
at the beginning of as we know as adults, is
any relationship, there's that kind of like lust and passion.
Before you know, Maya divulged all of her dark secrets
and all that stuff came out I should say dark secrets,
but that's that dark side of my came out. And
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so I really enjoyed those like early early scenes. Yeah,
I'm trying to remember of other little ones that we
just got and just means to Fannie how to blast,
just kind of playing man.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's hard to think back on so many.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, you've done a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
We've done a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I always love because you said what the ones that weren't?
Which ones am I going for ones that weren't.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I feel like you've talked a lot about the romantic scenes.
There were many other ones too.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That one's romantic too, though I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I mean, I always loved which is the humorous one,
which I think this is the funny I will disagree
with me on this one. But the her getting the
IVF shots and like just the emotional rollercoaster she went
on while she was getting the hormone injection.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Sorry, was so.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Much fun to watch and so much fun to be
a part of. And having Great Dame in there too
to add a little extra humor.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
To play that as an actor and as the character
to be able because it was still emotional, We were
still able to connect. But it wasn't I would necessarily say,
your typical version of romance. It was kind of a
more real, real version of love showing up when you
know one person's being pumped and hormones and being completely.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Emotional and irrational and.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
And you know, it's humorous, but it's also heartfelt, Like yeah,
that that whole storyline.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I really loved that.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Which I think the flip side of that is when
Maya had the panic attack when they went to La
and she herself valued put herself her own work so
much in her job, and Karina was there for her
while she was having a full on meltdown. I think
those scenes, though not typically romantic, really really showcase their
love for each other.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I really loved this. Now, see it took me a second,
but I got there.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I was like, yeah, yeah, this scenes really really held
a lot of weight for me.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Oh yeah. I mean the way you brought this character
to life is nothing short of brilliant, and it's it's
why it resonates with so many people. It's not the
writing's amazing and it's phenomenal, but the artist has to
bring it to life in a way that's believable that
people buy, right. So it's a testament to the work
that you guys certainly did. I just when you were talking,
I just had a thought that your character needs to
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be in the nine one one World Ryan Murphy show,
Like what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I mean that'd be amazing.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
It's funny you bring that up because Tracy Toms is
in the nine one one world and I just saw
her this weekend. She'd be like, Okay, tell Ryan, we
need to come over to nine one one.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I mean yeah, I would be listen.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I'll take any world that wants to accept my bishop
with open arms.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. It's so interesting
to me that earlier you bring up you know, you're
as an actor, either employed or unemployed, and it's such
a It sounds kind of so like, oh my god,
that's so harsh on yourself, but I guess the reality
is that's what it is. Right. So you're in this
period of transition and you've been working like crazy for
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so many years, and now you're kind of seeing what
comes next. Is that an uncomfortable place for you to sit?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, big time. That was when it first hit. That's
why I've been like what do I want to do?
There's also I think anyone this, any profession, you sometimes
get so wrapped up in work that you forget like
what are your hobbies? What do you actually enjoy to do?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Enjoy doing? Even though we enjoy our work. I enjoy
my work.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I'm assuming you do as well, like we enjoy doing this,
but what do you love to do outside of work?
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And that's what's so uncomfortable because I'm.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Sitting in silence, kind of bored, going like what do
I want to do with my time when I'm usually
so used to it being work driven And I'm still
sitting here like auditioning like crazy, so that is I'm
still doing all of that element of it. But I'm like,
you know, after the self tape and after the Zoom meeting,
what do I want to do?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And that it took a second.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Like I'm also not someone who sits uncomfortable for too long.
I went through a phase in my early twenties where
I kind of had a pity party.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I had this show.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It only went one season, and I put so much
into it, and I thought it was going to be
everything and it was my everything for that one season
and it just bombed. It failed, nothing happened with it,
and I sat in my early twenties, I was like
twenty twenty one in.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This like pity party, like kind of.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Sulking and you know, just self pity constantly, and I
never want to get to that place again. So I'm
someone who moves pretty fast. So I'm like, this is uncomfortable.
How do I fix it? Like, I want to solve
the problem. I don't want to waste precious time of
my life, you know, sitting too much in that.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I want to solve it. So I was uncomfortable to
know what to do. And then I just started trying things.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And that's where learning French and playing tennis and it
came from because I was like, let me use this
time to really tap into things that make me happy
that aren't associated work. So yeah, So it's definitely uncomfortable
to sit in and it's definitely weird. It's definitely better
coming off of a show of seven seasons. As an actor,
I'm obviously much more financially sound, which as actors, a
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lot of times it's working from job to job, you know.
I think sometimes people always think like it's so glamorous
and you make all this money. It's like, no, I'm
not bread pitt like you know, so you really But
the lovely thing is that I had stability for seven seasons,
seven years. I'm able to kind of walk away going Okay,
I'm financially stable. I'm completely okay. I don't have to
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stress about jumping to the next job and having to
take any job that they put in front of me,
which gives me a lot of creative freedom as well,
which I really love.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But yeah, it's definitely uncomfortable. I'm in it now.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I'm sitting in it like it's I'm going through the
process of it and really trying to utilize the time
to spend it with family, to find the things I love,
to take on new hobbies. I'm like growing arugula and
I'm hopefully it won't kill it because I have a whore.
I do not have a green thumb. I've killed cactuses
like cactive. I don't know how, but I've killed them.
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So really taking this time to feed my soul in
ways that aren't through acting and through art.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I mean still through art, but different versions of art.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Imagine that really helps you not have such a choke
hold on wrapping your entire identity into your work, which,
as you mentioned earlier, is something that's you're working on.
And imagine there's a work in progress for all of us, right,
But that's also got to feel kind.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Of freeing, screeing and a little scary. I mean, there's
also something that when you're so comfortable wrapping up your
identity in a job, it's scary.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
To go, Okay, well if my job isn't that what
is it?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
And that is what I'm sitting in right now, which
is a little scary, But I'm figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm figuring it out day by day.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah. Yeah, in my life, I've realized the moments where
I feel that the most, and when I've learned through
the work to let go, through doing a lot of work,
to let go a little bit. That's also when some
of the wildest things have entered my life. Yeah, which
is a weird thing.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It always happens that way, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Though.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's like when you kind of like relinquish.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Control and just kind of decide to go on the
ride and listen to your heart and gut in the
moment and be in the present, all of those things,
it starts to kind of all things start to come
into place or fall into place that you just never
would have expected.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
But it's easier said than.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Done, as we both know it is. It's totally easier
said than done. This might be a hard question to answer,
but I'm curious because I have my thoughts on this myself.
Is part of the uncomfortable and unsettling part of being
in transition for you, being worried or wondering what other
people are saying about what you are or you aren't doing.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's such an interesting question what people are saying.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
What.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, I think that absolutely is a factor.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It's not, thank god, the main factor, the main thing
going on, but it definitely I think. I think, especially
with going back to social media and our whole lives
being on display for everybody, there is that world of like, yeah,
what a great question, trying to think of how though
it really shows itself for.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Me, I work on a television show called Extra. You know,
there's a full time gal here in New York and
I'm her counterpart. But I'm a freelancer for them, and
I've been doing it for years and years and years,
and they're great to me, their family, and I love them.
But when I first started, and I didn't have this show,
and I just got off the Rachel Ray Show, which
ended after seventeen seasons, and I was her kind of
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lifestyle correspondent for six years, so I was kind of
in transition and then that came about, and all I
wanted was full time, full time, full time. I need
that full time. I need it full time. I realized
years later a lot of that for me was a
little bit of ego, like, well, what are people saying?
Are they saying? Why is he not on every night?
And why has he only appeared twice a week and
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this girl's on three times a week? And then I
started catching myself like why am I so worried what
other people are thinking or not thinking? Maybe I'm just
thinking that like no one cares except me, probably, So
why am I so concerned? Like it's not like, oh man,
I love the work so much, I wish I was
full time. That's not what I was saying. I was saying,
Oh man, I wonder what these people are saying not
seeing me every night on the show. Oh And it's
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like whoa. That was a big aha for me, and
I've really worked on that myself, and it opened up
this whole world where you know, we're here talking on
the show, and I had my own show at iHeart
and all the things. So it's an interesting topic.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
To me, it is, and you're right, there's something about
it that is it is obviously feels from like our
ego and that comparison game and trying to feel like, oh,
everyone else is holding us to this instead of looking at, oh,
this is a successful thing. I'm doing these two three days,
you know, a week. Instead it's not all week. People
look at it as successful and we're looking at as
it's not enough, right, and it's.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
And it's a whole whild to me because the reality
is it's a budget thing, like they just can't afford
me full time, otherwise they would.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But it's also it's still successful, do you know what
I mean? Like that's still a huge thing that so
many people that want you know what I mean like
that would love that, and you're like, we always want more.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
It's interesting.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
It's a really interesting question that I'm probably going to
think on a lot even after this interview, this chat.
I don't want to call it an interview. It's like
more just us chatting. But yeah, it's it's interesting. I
didn't feel like I would say I felt that a
lot more that exact feeling when I was younger. Absolutely
it felt like I had to I had to do
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it for everyone else, not for me. I do feel
like I'm in a different headspace now. I'm not doing
it because I need to prove to people.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I feel like I've lost that. I feel like I
don't have to have to prove it. I'm like, I've
proven myself.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I'm there.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
I'm really just trying to challenge myself with the jobs
that I choose. But there is an element of like,
but that's not the full truth, Like there is an
element of keeping up with jones Is in regards to
your life in general. You know, do I need to
look like I'm busy in doing things and having a
great time, like what social media kind of pulls out
of us sometimes?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
This is going to be a question that really makes
me kind of I'm like, we need to revisit this.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I know it's a big question, it really is, and
it's it's such an interesting one. I think a lot
of people listening probably have felt that in some way,
shape or form, and and it's so nice to be
on the other side of that and to literally be like,
I don't really give a fuck what anyone thinks I'm
you know, like I'm I'm so proud of everything I'm doing,
Like so it's just nice to go through that and
then to have that aha and be like no, I
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don't care about that. So it's yeah, it's super interesting.
And there's I imagine a lot of people listening right
now who probably feel a little stuck or also in
transition or like where is this all going in my life?
So what advice would you give to them to kind
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of ease their little journey?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I mean everyone, I agree, is a lot of it
feels like on a global scale right now, this is
happening where everyone is kind of going on this transition,
in this journey to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
And I think kind of what we said is kind
of for anyone out there that is going through it,
like go on the ride. Don't fight it, like, don't
try to cont it.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
You know, keep an open mind and open eyes to
what's in front of you. Because sometimes I think we're
so set in our ways of like I have to
do this, this is what I have to do, and
we actually miss the thing that was right here that
really was more of our calling or more or would
have given us more fulfillment or something instead of this
thing that we're so set on. It doesn't have to
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be a different thing just just a different path than
what we kind of saw things. You know, I think
we want to control so much because control seems to
be this false sense of safety and security when really
you can't control anything at all, like as you and
I both know, like we have zero control. And so
for anyone out there, I think it's like, like, take
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a breath, relax, just try to go on the journey
and enjoy the journey.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And sometimes, as we, I think everyone that's gotten too some.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Goal that they've tried to achieve, if you don't enjoy
the journey, you get to the goal and it happens
and you're like, okay, now what and you realize like, oh, actually,
I was supposed to enjoy that entire ride, the ups
and downs, and be happy and celebrate whatever it is
that you get to or you're striving for. But then
after you celebrate, you kind of go, okay, now what right?
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And I think if you don't really enjoy this journey
that you're on, this transitional journey, then you're going to
it's a missed opportunity. So I think that'd be my advice. Again,
I know all of this is easier said than done,
because when you're in that headspace of.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Feeling lost or just unsure. I know so many people
that have reached out to me in their early twenties.
They're like, what do I do?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And I'm like, listen to. Early twenties were the hardest
years of my life. But I would not change it
for anything in the world. Like I grew so much
as a person. There are definitely moments I loved and
moments I absolutely hated. But I'm so grateful that I
went on that journey and that at times was like, Okay,
I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna let go. I'm just
going to go for it and look at you know
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where I'm where I was able to get to by
doing that, So yeah, that would be my I hope
people can hear that and not just feel kind of
helpless that they're like, how do I do that?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Just do it?
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Just let go, Yes, let go. I love that, And
I love that you just said, you know, you could
look at where you are now and be like, you know,
I did it, I'm doing good. I just had that.
I live on a street in New York where there's
a university, and I saw all the kids today going
back to school and I'm like, God, I remember when
I was moving into n y U and I'm like,
you know what, that little dude would be pretty happy
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right now.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yes, Yeah, isn't that always kind of like gives me
goosebumps some like warm fuzzy feeling to be like, yeah, okay, okay,
we did it.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, we did it exactly, We're doing it, We're still
doing it. We did all of it. I know. I
think it's a good reminder for all of us to
kind of check ourselves once in a while in a
good way, because we don't do that a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
To congratulate ourselves, right a little bit like.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Like that wasn't easy.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
We both know in our own stories like what we
went through, the good and the bad, the good, the bad,
and the ugly, and it says a lot that where
we're at. So anyone out there that's going through something,
try to try to applaud yourself for the actual wins
that you've accomplished. To not just look at all the
things that you consider I don't consider anything failure, but
the things that you might consider as not.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Wins for sure. No, no, in the spirit of you know,
continuing to grow and evolve, we are about I mean,
we're halfway the years, halfway over. It's more than halfway over, right,
so it is crazy. I can't believe it. It's September
in a week. So what is what is something you
hope to start doing, stop doing, and continue doing for
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the rest.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Of them start doing, stop doing, and continue doing.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Continue will definitely be finding myself outside of work. That's
something I'm really enjoying. I don't know what else I'm
going to get into or try. Who knows, maybe I'll start,
i know what, you know, sewing close or learning how
to build something with my hands. But that I want
to absolutely continue to do. And then what I want
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to stop doing. I mean I want to stop stressing
about everything, because that still exists, you know kind of
I'm in that moment of to say as I as
do as I say, not as I do, like I'm
telling everyone, like, live in the moment. But even I
sometimes stress about stuff on a daily basis. But I
meditate a lot, continue meditating for sure. So yeah, I
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think I want to stop I'm not trying to control
the future, but I am still stressed about it.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I would like to stop stressing like.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
That feeling kind of happens, and I'm not living in it,
but it happens, and then I have to calm myself,
remind myself to Niel, You're fine, You're good.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Your worth is not wrapped up in your work, like
enjoy this time.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So I would like to get to a point where
I'm not having to do that on a daily basis
of like calming yourself down. And what I love to
start doing?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Why is that so hard?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's another big.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
One is the thing I think that comes up for
me is I'd love to start doing more things that
scare me, which is kind of I don't know that
all kind of everything is kind of the start the
things I want to continue and the things I want
to start, and I guess the things I want to
stop are all kind of obviously interwoven with each other.
But I want to really start doing things that scare me.
You know, I have this desire to want to do theater,
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and even though I have this downtime and I have
things at my fingertips to start that that really scares me,
I want to really start prioritizing the things that fulfill
me more too. Whatever that is, you know, I think
right now I'm really going through a phase where I'm like, Okay,
I really want to spend time with you know, my
best friend and his daughter, and you know, my partner
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and kids and be like not having to do things,
but just sit in the backyard and play by the
pool and keep it simple. So I guess I want
to start all the s's. I want to start doing
the things that scare me and keeping things more simple.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
M Oh, I love that. I love that. That's a
good one.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
What about you? I always want to know more about.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You, I know, but it's not about me. That's for
coffee in New York City. That's for coffee in New
York City.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's about I'm going to hold you to that.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
That's when you're doing your off Broadway or Broadway show
in New York. Then we'll be going to dinners there
we go.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
I'd love to hear that.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Is that something you would do?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
You mentioned theater, I would love to I mean, don't
get me wrong, I'm scared shitless, let's be honest, scared
shitless for theater. I'm someone who's a perfectionist and comes
to set prepared and I love to get it in
one take, in the whole thing. But theater, there's no
there's no there's no take too. I think I would
after the nerves, really love performing in front of a
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live audience. But it's the scary part of like, you,
really you can't mess up one and done and then
do it eight days a week, eight times, I should say,
not eight days a week, there's not eight days.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Already getting anxious thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I am just even the thought of it's so true.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Ball But because it scares you, I bet you you
will be doing it one day. Now.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know me too well at this point I think
you're like, I shall be doing this.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, she'll be doing I'll see some deadline come out
and be like, oh yeah, okay. Oh you know that
Oprah gift where she's like, you know, that's what I'm
going to do when I read that. So I love
that for you, Oh my god, Danielle. I just this
for me is a really fun conversation because yes, we
got to celebrate you know, work that means so much
to so many people. But I also love having you
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on because we talk about real things that you're gracious
and open enough to talk about, because it's human right
and there's always there's not always but there's sometimes a
veil in my business when I talk to some people,
or you just don't have enough time to get into it,
and some of the most powerful things emerge, I think
from conversations like this, which is why I've been really
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excited and looking forward to speaking to you again. Because
we all all change and evolve, and when we talked
a year ago, you're not who you are today as
you were then, right, And I think that's the goal
of many people. It certainly seems to be a goal
of yours. It's a goal of mine. So it's always
once to do these check ins and catchups. And with
that being said, you know the name of the show,
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which is I've never said this before, and it was born,
you know, very very very specifically out of wanting more
connection after working so many red carpets and so many junkets,
and you know, not really having time to dive deeper
than I think a lot of people want to be
able to do. So with that being said, is there
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anything you open book you that you can think of
that you haven't said before that you want to say today.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I always struggle this with this one, and I think,
like I said it, I think I've told.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You of a phone like the last time, it's this
thing happened where I said love yourself for yourself and
I did resonates with so many people and it just
came from such an organic place.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Was so scared going into this, like what do I say?
And I kept trying to think about it, and in
the end, I was.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Like, whatever has said, whatever I say, is just going
to be what I say, going the flow, not trying
to control it for.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
This entire conversation.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
And I think what's really come up for me just
in this conversation, and what I'm really grappling with now
is that I'm very I'll say what I've guess I've
never said before.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
It's giving me anxiety my chest just to say it is.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
I'm really scared that I'm never going to be able
to play another character that had such an impact on
an audience and that made that I had such a
connection with and that both I and the audience loved
so much. Like I'm really I'm scared. I'm scared that
that that that was it. You know that I'll continue
(42:47):
to act, but I'll never play a character that meant
so much to me and so many others and I
can't control that, and I don't know, but it scares
me that it won't happen. So yeah, I think that's
something that I've never said and down right this second,
but that really came from this conversation.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You know, that's a big fear of mine.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's first of all, thank you for sharing that. I
know that's probably not something that you would just you know,
share in any interview. It's it's a big thing to
say because it deals with such raw and real emotion,
and that's that's a testament to how much you love
this role and how much you know she meant to you,
not just the people who watched her, but to you,
(43:30):
which is a really beautiful thing to see. And I
guess my next follow up question to that is how
how do you decide what you want to take on
moving forward knowing that that's kind of in the back
of your head.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
I'm trying to not overthink the next thing, like I
tried not to even overthink when I booked found knowing
that she was really like I knew she was going
to be a villain, like she was not going to
be anything like Maya.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think I can't overthink it, is what my gut
is saying right now, because I didn't know what Maya
was going to be when I signed on.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
I had no idea.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I knew I resonated with her, and I think that's
just what I have to do, is if a character
resonates me in some way, even if it's just it
challenges me as an actor, I just have to go
for it. And if that character ends up resonating with people,
then I'm that.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
More grateful for it. But I just.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Know I can't control that. I think it's just the
fear that I'm sad that it might not ever happen again.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
I think people will love some of the characters I play,
but speaking on the word that love is like people
loved Maya so much. I loved Maya so much. Do
people still love me now that I'm not Maya? And
hopefully they'll still love the characters I play, no matter
who they are. So it's multi layered, but I can't
overthink it. I definitely, of course, my team is always
(44:57):
known that from day one. I've always been someone who
wants to play strong female characters. I think that's someone
thing that if you look at my whole body of
work through my entire career. My team has usually been
pretty on top of just make it a strong female character,
even if she's a villain, Like is she strong?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And is she a badass? And is she flawed?
Speaker 3 (45:15):
And we can somehow see her, you know, working through
her issues.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
That's something I'll always lean into a character that's strong.
But but yeah, I just can't. I don't know. I
don't know the answer. We don't have all the answers, right.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. That's a really really cool thing
to open up about, and I thank you for that
because it's such a it's such a real thing. Do
you do you write.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Scripts? Or I was like, which one? I dabble?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
But know, me and Emily Culver, one of the writers
of Station nineteen, have developed a project.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
But she is the writer.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Even though she wants me to say I'm a writer
as well, I don't consider myself a writer.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I love creating.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Maybe one day I will sit in front of you know,
screenwriter or final draft and actually start writing myself.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
But I love the creative process. So yeah, why do
you ask what was the why?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I could just see you writing something really cool and
just based on how you speak and the storyteller you are,
and you know your career, but also as a human,
I could just see something really passionate come to life
from you. I want to be surprised if one day
you were inspired and just started writing a pilot or
a screenplay or something.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
When I'm too old to.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Be in front of the camera, when I like when
they're like, oh no, she's too old. Sorry you find
the camera start writing. No, no, I listen. I'm someone
who loves this job so much. I love the arts.
I love storytelling that I can always imagine myself in
kind of every element. But I am not someone at
(46:52):
this current stage that would consider myself.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
A writer, but maybe one day. I mean, I love it.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I'm passionate about this whole industry and every the active storytelling.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
So we'll see. And thank you for that though, Thanks
for the belief.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, I got you. I am here to champion you
on your birthday, Eve Dan Oh thank you, I oh
my god, thank you, just thank you for hanging out again.
I've been been really looking forward to this.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
No so of I and thank you, thank you for
making it happen, because I I for people that are listening,
like I really was hesitanted.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
First, I was like, Tommy, what do we going to
talk about? It's like I feel like, you know, that
lack of like my work, Like I was like, I
don't have anything to talk about. There's no job. So
I just want to.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Say thank you for getting me to get out of
my shew and talk about this stuff. And it's always
a pleasure talking to you, And thank you for believe
your belief in me always because I will say, going
back to a little bit we just talked about, is
all it takes is one person to believe in you
to really kind of spark that passion to be able
to think you can do something.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Even if it's a crazy idea like being a writer.
I'm telling me things, I can be a writer. I
can do it. No, So thank you for such amazing conversations.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
And I hope we get to catch up in properly
get to talk about you as well.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
This one sided conversation.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
I would love to get to talk to you and
catch up on your life in your one of these
days over copies.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Well, you let me know when you're here. It's on.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah, it might be soon, so I'll let you.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Know okay, good, well, thank you so much. My love
always a pleasure, and I'm going to be I'm going
to be watching you closely, seeing what's coming.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
It's same to you. I'll be whatever you do next.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
I'll be watching so well, be well, and thank you
so much, thank you. I've Never Said This Before is
hosted by Me, Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced
by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with
editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is
part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts.
(48:47):
For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and
if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time,
I'm Tommy Dederio
Speaker 2 (49:00):
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