Happy Halloween! On today’s MKD, we recap our experience at Darkside NJ and get into the latest spooky news stories! We cover the death of Kiss Guitarist Ace Frehley, a woman stabbed after getting into an argument at Marshalls, threats made by people in Halloween costumes, a child tattooed by bullies, deaths at Disney, and a woman eaten by her dogs.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hi, everyone, Welcome The Mother Knows Death. We were at
the Dark Side, New Jersey, so we wanted to let
you know all about our experience before we play our
live episode that we did there.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, it was really cool. When we showed up, it
was this huge convention with lots of vendors. They had
food and performers got to hear some music getting played,
and then there was other things going on, like people
that hang from their skin. I don't understand how that happens.
It kind of skews me out, but it's also really
fascinating the lots At the same time.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We have a whole didn't we do a whole dissection
on people who do body suspensions and stuff and the
whole science behind it. I did write about it at
some point in the course. Maybe, Yeah, it's it's a
little bit much for me to look at that. But
the other ones were cool there. The person that was
(01:09):
working with fire, yeah, I feel like that's really.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Like what is that called?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Like, I really don't know in today's day and age,
because in circus times, wasn't it like a fire breather
or something? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It was cool though, I mean, we couldn't really watch
a ton of it because it was kind of behind
where our little station was. But it was cool and
there was so many awesome vendors there. I saw so
much stuff that I wanted to buy, Like I just
had to make a decision and get a few things,
but there were lots of things that it was kind
(01:45):
of like my whole vibe going on there.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It was it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, what did you end up buying?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I got this really cool oval like a vintage oval frame,
one of those ones with the bubble glass mm hm,
And it has an old picture of a little girl
and over top of her face is a moth that
has the you know, I don't know. I think it's
(02:12):
a moth or a butterfly, but I'm pretty sure it's
a moth that has what looks like eyeballs on it,
and the artist placed it right over top of her face,
so it looks like the girl's eyeballs or looks like
she's wearing a mask. Kind of that's cool and insider
a bunch of dried flowers. But there's it got me
because she had like a little Chanel button in there too,
(02:34):
and I was like, you had me at Chanel.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, I was kind of mad you were walking around
with me because I saw a lot of good stuff.
I probably could have got you for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I know, I was thinking that. Actually I got to
preserve spider Web. I've always wanted one of those.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That was super cool. We got that amazing fudge too.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I got Jen's Christmas present. I'm not going to tell
you what it was, but she'll.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Find out when we have our employee Christmas dinner and
what two months.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yes, yeah, and just I got the kids some candy.
That was that.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I got Gabe stuff too, and the kids ate all
his stuff before he even.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Got them from work.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But yeah, that was that was really cool. And we
just got to meet so we met a ton of
grocery members, which was so cool.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, that was awesome, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I guess I sent gave the picture and he thought
that that was everyone that was watching our session, and
I was like, that was just grocery members.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I thought that amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I thought that it was so awesome because I
love meeting the grocery members. And we're going to try
to figure out how we could have more meetups like
that because that was super fun. And then we had
like other like people that we've seen at other events.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Friends. It was cool.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it was great. And then we had the boots,
so people were coming up to get their books signed
and just talk to us. And it's super special that
we are building this community with you guys, with the
grocery members. We have some new people that are just
listeners to the show, and it's been super cool. Everybody
we met was more than nice. We can't be luckier
to have you guys.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah. Really, and everyone that worked there too at the event,
they were all awesome too. I just so, yeah, yeah,
like we had we just had like a really good
interaction with everyone and they were just really really nice
and accommodating and it was a really good experience. So
I definitely hope that we get asked back next year
(04:36):
and we'll go.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
More prepared this time.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I think we didn't know what to expect, so we're like, oh,
we're just going to do this podcast. And then we
had this nice table, this whole nice setup. It was
a really nice setup that was that was really awesome
of them, and I just was like, oh, maybe we
should have like some of our merch or something like that,
so we'll be more squared away next year.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, you're definitely more prepared. But in the meantime, we're
gonna play our live show for you guys now, and
we hope you enjoy because some of the stories are
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Speaker 1 (06:40):
Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode. We
are live from the dark Side, New Jersey and we
have some crazy stories to talk about today. An original
member from the band Kiss has died and we're going
to get into his cause of death. We have some
true crime stories, one right here in New Jersey that
involves weapons that were sold at Marshall's, chilling doorbell footage
(07:03):
showing three people who were wearing Halloween costumes threatening to
kill a family, a child who was tattooed by bullies,
Two deaths that occurred at Disney this week, and if
we have enough time, we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
About this lady that got you in Buyer Dogs.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
All right?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
All that mora on today's episode, a light light episode.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All right, let's start off with the death of Ace Freely.
He was the original league guitarist for Kiss. He has
died at age seventy four after suffering from a brain
bleed a few weeks ago after he fell in his studio.
So this immediately reminded me of the Bob Sagge case.
But of course with Bob sagged everybody was convinced he
got murdered, but he just straight up fell, and sometimes
(07:45):
that happens to celebrities. They are normal people too. How
many of you are fans of Kiss?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, we know, we know. Rickie is so a lot
of you.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I got yelled at in the car because I thought
it was Star Child and he said, no, it's the
Space knew that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I even knew that. Come on, dude, I don't know
this Kiss history. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So I know that you guys are fans of Kiss,
but this is still a seventy four.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Year old man.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I know he looks cool and everything, but he's a
seventy four year old guy, so he's kind of old.
So in this particular case, they said that, So I'm
sure you're all aware of this, of you're fans of him,
that he has a history of alcoholism, and but he's
been sober for over twenty years, and it was his
alcoholism was so bad to the point where he was
drinking bottles of perfume to get the alcohol out of it. Yeah,
(08:35):
so I don't think that that has really anything to
do with it. But that's the first thing when you
think about people falling, and it's especially someone that's a
rock star, you would think like, okay, are they Are
they on anything that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Would cause them the fall.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I don't know exactly what caused the fall, but
they said that it wasn't really They didn't initially think
it was that bad, and then it progressively got really
really bad.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And that's one.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Important thing that I want you guys to get out
of this is if you ever hit your head, that
you should always go to the hospital, because this is
exactly what happened to Natasha Richardson. I don't know if
you know her name, but she was the mom in
the parent Trap movie, so I'm sure all of you
guys remember her. And she was skiing and hit her
(09:19):
head and didn't think it was that bad, and she
ended up dying because she didn't go to the hospital.
And she really could have survived that injury if she
went in a timely fashion.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So what happens sometimes.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
When you get older your brain starts to get it
starts to shrink a little bit, and there's these veins
that connect to the outer covering called the door matter
of your brain. And what happens is when you fall,
you could tear one of those veins and it causes
blood to come out, but not very fast because it's
not an artery, so it's not what you would think
(09:51):
of every single time the heartbeats that it would be
squirting out. It's more of a slower leak. So he
might have hit his head and thought that he felt
fine and then all of a sudden started developing a headache,
and then that's when he started maybe having some other
symptoms that someone said, okay, we should go to the hospital,
which is why they were able to get him before
(10:12):
he died, because if he went to sleep that night,
perhaps he could have just died in his sleep, but
they were able to keep him alive. But he was
on a ventilator and they just said, he's not going
to get any better, and that's when they eventually decided
to take them off of life support.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But doesn't it make you think of the story we
covered that all these people are taken off of life
support prematurely.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, insane.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, we had some story about studies that have been
done on people on life support that they might not
really be gone people surviving and getting off of it
because their families said that they didn't want to take
them off. And yeah, that was really kind of eye opening,
because I guess when you're at the hospital and the
doctor says like, there's nothing else we can do that,
(10:57):
most people are like, all right, well, I guess we
got to do that, And turns out that might not
be the case all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well. Also, did you see that he went to a
psychic earlier this year who told him he was going
to live till one hundred And he just said that
in March, which I assume some of you guys are
gross remembers.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
He's a gross remember in here. Yeah, I was gonna
say this, guys. We just covered Sylvia Brown last week.
I don't know if you remember her from the Mantel
Williams show.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That lady is out of control.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, she's so oh my god, she was saying the
craziest stuff. The most memorable one to me was the
nine to eleven one.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
This lady goes on and it's like my husband drowned
or no, sorry, my husband died in nine to eleven,
and she keeps going, no, he drowned, and she's like, no,
he was a firefighter in nine eleven. She's castlighting this
woman that her husband actually didn't die in nine to eleven,
but then he drowned in the separate occasion.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It was just really horrible shit.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
This one lady said that she was struggling with infertil
this whole time, and then she's like, well, I ever
have my own child, and she's like no.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's so messed up.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's just it just would never happen today. She would
get canceled in like one week today. But why are
we talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Because he went to the psychic and Sylvia Brown couldn't
even predict her own death, so I supposed to tell
you exactly what he's gonna die, all right, right? A
New Jersey woman has been arrested after allegedly buying a
set of knives and marshals and then using one of
them to stab a woman she got into an argument
(12:37):
with in the parking lot. Yeah, so I think what
happened was it?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm just is that a flute that I'm hearing right now.
I think you're right, just like random flute. So I
think that they the fight had started in the store.
There was some kind of fight over the checkout situation,
and she had went back in and bought these knives,
(13:04):
which I think is kind of crazy because do you
ever get something that's in one of those packages that
are impossible to open? Seriously, like, it's kind of amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That she even was able to open it up and
get the thing out.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And then yes, she went back out in the parking
lot and stabbed this lady a bunch of times. She
didn't kill her, and they said that there was no
life threatening injuries, which means that she wasn't very good
at it, and she really just probably stabbed her into
her skin but didn't push it through enough to actually
cause any kind of damage, which is good for her
(13:38):
because if that lady died because of that, she would
have been facing a lot more jail time.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
All right, let me tell you how this would have
happened to MoMA.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Because we always make fun of my mom on the show.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
By the way, that just for those of you who
haven't listened, they were at Marshall's.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Which is a DQ special. She's always there.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Always Marshall's is her target audience. Yes, so she's at Marshall's.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And then the argument started because the woman was taking
too long in the line, which you know, they fill
the lines with a bunch of shits so people spent
more money. So I totally see mom. I'm looking at
every cup, every candle and getting yelled at. And then
I don't know if we've told this on the show before,
but she got in a fight once at a gas
station and the lady threw a milkshake in her car.
(14:23):
So this is exactly why I could see her being
in this situation. But yeah, this suspect, I think it
was Aunt Terry gave the lip first.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
When Antari and Beth are together, forget it, there, they
are the worst.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
All right, Okay, we can go. It's fine, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So the suspect was found hiding in the bathroom with
the bloody knife on top of the baby changing table.
I'm sure that was an extremely disturbing scene to see,
but as you said, the woman ended up being okay,
and the suspect is going to be charged with aggravated
assault in possession of a weapon.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I mean, you can kill someone with a steak knife.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Is it where getting? Like? Are we losing patience as
a society? Do we feel this that just everywhere you go,
anybody has total lact of patients. We just saw in
a target last week when we were there, this target
employee said this woman was like, you can go in
front of me because you don't have as many items
as me, and the target employee said no, and it
(15:19):
just turned into this huge sprawl in the target line
and it's like, it's not that big of a deal.
Everybody's getting the same place.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's crazy that people's fuses so short that they would
kill somebody, like give up your whole life for somebody
that you didn't even know fifteen minutes ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's just any stabber, mean, I could understand people, you
know that.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Not that Wait did you see? Kristen Bell posted a
like happy anniversary to her husband and she.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Wrote is that what's who?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Is she the one that sings the song? She's in
Frozen and a bunch of other shows. So she's she's
married to who dak Shepherd?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So she posted it like happy twelve year anniversary to
a man who said, I he thinks about killing me sometimes,
but I've never been good enough to do it to
And then Dateline commented on it, so we screenshot. I
thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It is kind of true.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
All right, Tuesday night, around ten pm, this older woman
who just lost her husband is at her house with
her two adult kids. Someone starts knocking on the door
and they see on the ring doorbell that it's seemingly
three teenagers dressed in Halloween costumes. So at first start
thinking it's this prank. They're saying through the doorbell, Happy Halloween.
But then the kids keep knocking. Well I'm assuming it's kids.
(16:36):
It looked like it was teenagers. They keep knocking on
the door and then eventually started to threaten to come
inside and kill the people in there. And this went
on for ten whole minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I want to know how the husband died, because I'm serious.
I'm serious, because they can be coming back and getting
revenge over something like what Why would they be harassed
in this lady for when they don't even know who
she is or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It's just kind of weird. If never wearing costume.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You want to hear something else that was weird.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
About it too, they came. They showed up at her
house at ten o'clock at night. I'm sorry anyone in
here if you look at your doorbell and see people
on October fifteenth or whatever it was at your doorbell
in costumes.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
She was like, I said, back, happy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
That's not so my mom was, but it's like, what
are you talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So these people are dressed in a clown, that costume
a scary and right there, like.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Id be like, call the cops.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I don't know, because part of me wants to attribute
it if it was teenagers to them just being absolute
idiots and just going around and trying to do this.
But it's not funny, like that would scare the shit
out of me.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, they also broke the fence and went into the
backyard and cut their screen, so they were trying to
get in the house, and they said, if you don't
come out, we're coming in. Yeah, it was a little
bit more than a prank.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
People.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I've never seen The Purge, but people were saying it
was like a scene that happened in the movie. But
you could watch online the whole doorbell video and then
you know, the kids eventually leave and then the family's
coming out, and the one lady's like, don't shoot me
to the guy inside. I'm walking around, I'm like, what
is going on?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
If it's a situation, it was Mike Myer's a clown,
which is scary, and a sinister looking nun, which is
also scary.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I hate this. And then how are you supposed to
possibly catch people like this when they're in full costume?
I mean, their their identities were completely concealed. You couldn't
see anything. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I just don't I don't know why she thought to
say happy Hell, I just I just get scared, Like
you're not scared if like if a person's trying to
like sell me solar panels or something like, I don't
want anybody on my porch.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Oh my god, anytime a solicitor knocks on my door,
I'm like, you got balls? Do you like this? Day?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
And age is much?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah? And then so this is the part the part
of the story too, like apparently these people were legally
they legally owned firearms, and they said that they're lucky
that they were considering using them on the people, which.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
They could have and well, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't know if you would get in trouble for
that because they weren't actively attacking or something.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I don't know how that works, didn't We cut a
story a couple of weeks ago where a kid got
shot doing ding gum ditch.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, my kids just said that last night actually to
you when we were walking to the haunted House.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
All right.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
A ten year old boy in Thailand had to get
laser tattoo removal after his bullies used a makeshift tattoo
gun and tattooed the word pussy onto his forehead. It's like,
it's like funny, but not like it's just like it's
not funny at all. It's the word Pussy's just funny.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Like it's just I'm not making I'm not making fun
of the kid at all.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I just think that it's it's outrageous that it happened,
But it's because she bullies me too.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
But yeah, you would definitely get pussy tattooed on your forehead.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I mean for sure, do you hear this up? She's
not joke.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Unreal, She's gonna show up on next week's episode with
like in front of all our friends.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Right here, You're gonna this unreal.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Anybody that knows you knows that I say that about
you all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's endearing anyway. Loves making fun of me. She's She's
what my kids would calling Karen.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They crossed when we said.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
When your living room was set up more formally as
our office, I have my business cards on the desk,
and the kids crossed out my first name on every
single one and wrote Carrie, like destroyed, Like that was
when her.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Name was Paul before she got married too, So it
was like, what's it carry PAULI just.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Sounded funny, unreal.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So so yeah, So I mean this is Lara does tattoos, right,
what would you call this?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like this stick and poke tattoos?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So this is basically what they did.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They use a sewing needle attached to a pen and
it's kind of the same exact theory it's had too.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You have to stick it in kind of deep.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It has to go beyond into the second layer of
the skin for the ink to go in. But if
it goes into the dharmas, which is what it did
in this case, which is the second layer of skin,
you know how the top layer of our skin. Think
about when you get a sunburn or something. It peels off,
well it's so subtracted by everything, Well, it goes into
(21:32):
the layer below that and once it's there, there's these
cells that are in your skin called macrifages, and those
cells are supposed to grab any kind of it. They're
especially there to grab like bacteria and stuff if you
get a cut, and they're supposed to they're part of
your immune system. But what happens is it grabs that
ink and it holds onto it and the pigment's too
(21:53):
big for it to break down and go to the
liver to get flushed out of the system, so they
just sit there. And that's what you're looking at is
the tattoo. So over time tattoos will fade, those macrifages
will continue to digest that and even when they die off,
new ones will come by and grab that pigment. So
when they use the laser treatment, they're breaking up all
(22:16):
of that pigment to make it into smart, smaller particles,
so the macrifages are able to break it down. What's
really cool though, is that a local tattooer had offered
a laser gets off for free. But then I was
thinking isn't laser way more painful than getting a tattoo,
and assuming especially from a shitty home made tattoo gun.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I never I don't think it was a gun. I
just think that he they were just like sticking like that,
but lazer.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I never had the laser tattoo, but I my husband
had it, and he said it was terrible.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It looked terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Because not only was pussy tattooed on his forehead, but
he had spots on his arms and legs too. So
they also got ten other spots off of his legs
and they're saying it's taking three sessions to remove all
of the markings, which not not like it's enough for
this kid to go through the initial trauma of going
through this, but then you also have to go through
all of this. I can't imagine how horrific.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Are those kids. I mean, I guess they're not going
to get in trouble their children.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's just it's kind of weird that a ten year
old would even think to do that to somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, yes, it's like a little I just think, like
you know, I hate everybody blaming video games on white
kids are so desensitized, But I think we can all
agree that in general, they've done lots of study.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
That that that's not true, Like they just have though
I know, I'm just saying it's doing this study.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So it's like Nintendo is no is it like is
it like Hasbro games do study exactly what I'm just
saying though, like there has been correlation with some cases.
But really they say, I mean, there's just so many people.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That play them, all those types of games, and but
if there's definitely I agree with you though, I definitely
I think there's this sensitation for like we were saying
that it started with really Luigi Mangi and it was
like a turning point for that kind of stuff, just
killing people because you you know, don't agree with them
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and then or what they're doing or whatever, and it
just kind of spiraled from there in a way of
just celebrating death.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
All right. So not a good couple weeks for Disney's
pr because they had two people die and connected to them,
even though they really tried to get this first woman
out before she was pronounced it. So the first lady
was on the Haunted Mansion in Disneyland, and according to police,
the six year old had a medical issue and was
found unresponsive at the end of the ride, but she
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was later pronounced dead at the hospital. So you know,
their whole mo is nobody dies in Disney because they
try to cart them off of the property as soon
as possible. But this one's still being todd days.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I feel like a lot of you in this room
would agree that that's like a dream location to die
like on the Haunted Mansion ride.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's just so cool. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
The ride reopened shortly after, so they did have a
drava bit. It just seems like it's just coincidental. But
I want to know how a death on the ride
closes it only for a mere hour or two, and
when we why close the fund for everything we did?
When we went there last year, it was closed all
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day and it was like the only reason we went there.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, we know that the ride has been closed for
hours because the people are and this is not just
happening at the Haunted Mansion, but people are bringing their
loved ones ashes and dumping them on the side of
their ride. But that's they have to use a happit
filter and vacuum it all up and everything, so that
that would the lady. The lady had a heart attack
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probably or something. But we gave the advice too that
you don't have to dump all the ashes. You can
just take a little vial and do a little bit,
so it's not all sprinkle. Yeah, it's it's still the
same sentiments, don't hold, don't screw up everybody else's day.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But I mean, it's not this lady's pult she's good.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well she so there's only a few things that especially
thinking that she's at Disney World, so she's probably not.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Sick, like with sepsis or something.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's what you think now.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I know, I could see that you have this big,
expensive trip planned and you really want to go. But
let's just assume that she was a fairly healthy person.
She was only sixty, right, she was very young. So
there's only a few things that could cause you to
drop dead like that, Like you're fine and then all
of a sudden, you're not fine.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You're dead.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So it could be like a heart attack, a stroke.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
There's just like a couple of different things that would
cause you to be walking and talking and then up
the next the aneurysm or something like that. There's not
that many things that it could really be if she
was seemingly healthy or in good health for the most part,
well except for the bad heart or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It was all right.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So then this week, a thirty one year old woman
was found dead at the Contemporary resort in Disney World.
So at first there was rumors that a person was
hit by a monorail, but officials later said that that
wasn't true and her death is an apparent suicide. This
one has a lot of weird details coming out about it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, we actually, so we have a website called the
Gross Room, and we do every single week we either
cover a celebrity or other kinds of deaths that are
just interesting to people.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So a couple of years ago we.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Did Disney just Disney World deaths because people you hear
about them once in a while, but people don't really
talk about it that much because it's frowned upon at
Disney to think about.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Things like that. But someone, actually, someone did.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Kill themselves at the Contemporary a couple years ago, and
it was it was in twenty sixteen. Someone jumped in
front of the monorail, which is still a possibility because
I don't know that. They definitely said that she jumped.
They said that she They said the wording was very interesting.
It just said she was.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Not hit by the monarel.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
She intended to take her own life. Do you understand,
You think it's still yeah, it still could have hit
her and she could have felt.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Do you think the way they worded it was that
she wasn't hit as a result of like.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It wasn't an actor. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I don't know because they didn't really say that. And
they said that her cause of death was blunt force trauma.
So what that is is that's supposed to You would say,
if someone stabs someone at Marshall's, that would be sharp
trauma that you're using a sharp weapon. Blunt trauma is
can happen if you're using a blunt weapon like a
baseball bet or something that isn't sharp. But it also
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can happen because your body is considered to be a
blunt object hitting against the pavement, which is another blunt object,
or a train or anything. So if she was One
disturbing fact of this too, was that it was six
o'clock at night and guests were the one that reported
that they saw a dead body, which is like, you
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don't want to be in that mindset in Disney. But yeah,
this story is do you have some of the details
on her. Yeah, So it started coming out that she
flew from her home in Illinois to Orlando without telling anyone.
And then somebody on Reddit hours before had posted in
a Disney forum looking for a missing woman matching her description,
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but they have not confirmed the connection between that post,
but it seems likely it was her. And then when
her identity was revealed and these articles found her Facebook page,
they said back in December she had posted a pregnancy
announcement with her husband, but there was never any follow
up updates on the pregnancy, and her honeymoon had been
at the Contemporary two months before she announced that pregnancy.
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So are we under the assum that she lost the baby?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Did she have the baby and is going through severe postpartum?
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Her family had no idea.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
She was taking a trip there that day.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So I did some creeping on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So this is all just this is all just speculation.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But apparently the husband put the post on this Reddit
page that was our slash Disney and said her name
and said that she was missing, and she left without
saying anything, and she turned her phone off, okay, and
they nobody knew where she was, and they were obviously
she had to be having some kind of mental illness
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issues in the past, because why else would they why
else would he be I mean, I guess it's weird
for anybody to do that, but that was.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Setting off alarms that she was missing like that.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, so he was putting this post to say, hey,
she was, but she was like one of these, like
a Disney she was she was there all the time.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Well she not only went all the time, but she
had worked there for three years as a character actor.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah so she So I don't think for people that
go to Disney World multiple times a year that that
necessarily would be so random, right, except in this case.
So she So people were saying that they followed her
on Instagram. I don't know if she was one of
these Disney influencer type of people, but somebody said that
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she had a baby girl in July. Okay, So that's
what I was wondering because and yeah, so, I mean,
that's that's just what I saw reading the comments. Like
I said, it's not officially reported, but people seemed somebody
was like, like a rest in peace, my friend I had,
she had a girl in July. I mean that it's
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it's likely what was going on there, so which would
make sense. And as soon as soon as I thought
about that, I don't know if you guys heard about
this story. A couple of years ago, this woman named
Lynza Clancy in she was like near Boston area right
or up in New England area there. She had just
had a baby and she killed three of her children
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and then she tried to kill herself by jumping out
of her window. And it's a postpartum depression thing. But
there's you know, a lot of people experience it after
they have a baby. But then there's a certain population,
a subset of the population that gets this psychosis it's
called where they have Most of the time people that
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have experienced this said that when they see their baby,
they think about them getting hurt, but they think about
them maybe dropping them by accident or something like that.
And then there's even a smaller percentage of these people
who think about harming their children to the point where
they get so scared with those thoughts that they decide
(32:53):
that they have to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Be away from them.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
And maybe that could be the case of what happened
here that she is having. You hear stories of women
that they don't feel a connection with their baby and
things like that, and whenever anything like that happens, you
should always be seeing a mental health expert to deal
with that.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
And so the woman that I was talking about.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Lindsey Clancy, she was actually seeing a psychiatrist because she
was having these issues and she was on medications. And
she sent her husband to the store I believe, to
go pick up dinner or something like that, and while
he was gone, she killed the kids with like exercise equipment. Yeah,
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and then she jumped out of the window. And she
is a quadriplegic right now. So it's a real thing
that I think. It's I mean, it sucks to talk
about suicide and stuff, but it's good to talk about
because so many people have babies and are around people,
and you could start telling when when someone's going through it.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Afterwards. Yeah, I mean, I guess.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
As always, we'll try to update you if we ever
get it more information, but we never do. All right,
Should we wrap up on this later? One a woman
eaten by her dogs? All right? Police went to go
do a welfare check on a woman in her late sixties,
and when they got there, they not only found her dead,
but discovered that her dogs had eaten her. Her remains
(34:20):
were scattered across the property, and they believed she was
eaten by other wild animals as well.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
This happens way more often than you think. You would
think that your animal wouldn't eat you, but when you're
dead and you're not giving them food, then they're going
to eat you. These dogs had these wireless perimeter collars
on them, so they were kind of stuck on the property.
They think the woman so she was in her late sixties.
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They think that she may have experienced a medical event
and fell down the stairs, and then the dogs just
started to eat her, along with possibly other animals in
the air. The reason that they have to think is
because when you have a person, they said that her
mail hadn't been checked for a long time, no one
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had seen her, and she had fallen in an area
where none of the neighbors could see, so she was
there for a while, and at that point there's not
a lot of soft tissue left, so if she did
have a heart attack, the heart could possibly just be gone,
so you really wouldn't be able to tell let's say,
obviously they'll check the whole body. So when they bring
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the body to the medical examiner's office, they're going to
do X rays and they're just going to see if
there's any broken bones or any evidence of a knife attack,
a gun attack, or anything like that. And once they
rule out that she had any signs of trauma, they're
basically going to say that it was probably due to
just an accident or a natural event that would cause
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her to fall down.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
And so one of the ways that you could tell
that the.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Animals didn't attack her and that wasn't the reason that
she died is because if there was soft tissue left
on the bones, you could see that there was no
hemorrhage or anything, which means that her heart would have
been beating. So hemorrhage is like when you bleed, it'll
be like a bruising.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Around the around the wound.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So a lot of times in these post mortem animal
scavengings that we see, you won't see a lot of it.
Just there's no sign that there was life when those
wounds occurred. So you also see things like scratches on
the bones from the teeth from the claws, and she
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had a cat to One of the things that I
hate talking about these animal stories is that they euthanize
the animals.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Which is but the reasoning seem ridiculous. They said they
youthanize the dogs due to a biohazard of consuming human remains,
and then they euthanized the cat after it was found
lethar and malnourished. Those don't really seem like legitimate reasons
to kill these animals.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, and it's just like the woman, if she had anything,
it's it's definitely gone by now, and just like put
them in quarantine for a day and let them poop
it out and they'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't really understand why they did that, But can
you imagine the cops showing up, So you're like, I'm
either seeing a Jeffrey Dahmer situation with these limbs scattered
around this property or just a woman eating by her
pits marble.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I mean I feel like cops have seen it enough
that when they show up there, they they'll what's up.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
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Hi, everyone, Welcome The Mother Knows Death. We were at
the Dark Side, New Jersey, so we wanted to let
you know all about our experience before we play our
live episode that we did there.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah, it was really cool. When we showed up, it
was this huge convention with lots of vendors. They had
food and performers got to hear some music getting played,
and then there was other things going on, like people
that hang from their skin. I don't understand how that happens.
It kind of skews me out, but it's also really
fascinating the lots At the same time.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
We have a whole didn't we do a whole dissection
on people who do body suspensions and stuff and the
whole science behind it. I did write about it at
some point in the course. Maybe, Yeah, it's it's a
little bit much for me to look at that. But
the other ones were cool there. The person that was
(01:09):
working with fire, yeah, I feel like that's really.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Like what is that called?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Like, I really don't know in today's day and age,
because in circus times, wasn't it like a fire breather
or something? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It was cool though, I mean, we couldn't really watch
a ton of it because it was kind of behind
where our little station was. But it was cool and
there was so many awesome vendors there. I saw so
much stuff that I wanted to buy, Like I just
had to make a decision and get a few things,
but there were lots of things that it was kind
(01:45):
of like my whole vibe going on there.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It was it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, what did you end up buying?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I got this really cool oval like a vintage oval frame,
one of those ones with the bubble glass mm hm,
And it has an old picture of a little girl
and over top of her face is a moth that
has the you know, I don't know. I think it's
(02:12):
a moth or a butterfly, but I'm pretty sure it's
a moth that has what looks like eyeballs on it,
and the artist placed it right over top of her face,
so it looks like the girl's eyeballs or looks like
she's wearing a mask. Kind of that's cool and insider
a bunch of dried flowers. But there's it got me
because she had like a little Chanel button in there too,
(02:34):
and I was like, you had me at Chanel.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, I was kind of mad you were walking around
with me because I saw a lot of good stuff.
I probably could have got you for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I know, I was thinking that. Actually I got to
preserve spider Web. I've always wanted one of those.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
That was super cool. We got that amazing fudge too.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I got Jen's Christmas present. I'm not going to tell
you what it was, but she'll.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Find out when we have our employee Christmas dinner and
what two months.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yes, yeah, and just I got the kids some candy.
That was that.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I got Gabe stuff too, and the kids ate all
his stuff before he even.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Got them from work.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But yeah, that was that was really cool. And we
just got to meet so we met a ton of
grocery members, which was so cool.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, that was awesome, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I guess I sent gave the picture and he thought
that that was everyone that was watching our session, and
I was like, that was just grocery members.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I thought that amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I thought that it was so awesome because I
love meeting the grocery members. And we're going to try
to figure out how we could have more meetups like
that because that was super fun. And then we had
like other like people that we've seen at other events.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Friends. It was cool.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it was great. And then we had the boots,
so people were coming up to get their books signed
and just talk to us. And it's super special that
we are building this community with you guys, with the
grocery members. We have some new people that are just
listeners to the show, and it's been super cool. Everybody
we met was more than nice. We can't be luckier
to have you guys.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah. Really, and everyone that worked there too at the event,
they were all awesome too. I just so, yeah, yeah,
like we had we just had like a really good
interaction with everyone and they were just really really nice
and accommodating and it was a really good experience. So
I definitely hope that we get asked back next year
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and we'll go.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
More prepared this time.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I think we didn't know what to expect, so we're like, oh,
we're just going to do this podcast. And then we
had this nice table, this whole nice setup. It was
a really nice setup that was that was really awesome
of them, and I just was like, oh, maybe we
should have like some of our merch or something like that,
so we'll be more squared away next year.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, you're definitely more prepared. But in the meantime, we're
gonna play our live show for you guys now, and
we hope you enjoy because some of the stories are
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Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode. We
are live from the dark Side, New Jersey and we
have some crazy stories to talk about today. An original
member from the band Kiss has died and we're going
to get into his cause of death. We have some
true crime stories, one right here in New Jersey that
involves weapons that were sold at Marshall's, chilling doorbell footage
(07:03):
showing three people who were wearing Halloween costumes threatening to
kill a family, a child who was tattooed by bullies,
Two deaths that occurred at Disney this week, and if
we have enough time, we'll talk.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
About this lady that got you in Buyer Dogs.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
All right?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
All that mora on today's episode, a light light episode.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
All right, let's start off with the death of Ace Freely.
He was the original league guitarist for Kiss. He has
died at age seventy four after suffering from a brain
bleed a few weeks ago after he fell in his studio.
So this immediately reminded me of the Bob Sagge case.
But of course with Bob sagged everybody was convinced he
got murdered, but he just straight up fell, and sometimes
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that happens to celebrities. They are normal people too. How
many of you are fans of Kiss?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, we know, we know. Rickie is so a lot
of you.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I got yelled at in the car because I thought
it was Star Child and he said, no, it's the
Space knew that.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I even knew that. Come on, dude, I don't know
this Kiss history. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So I know that you guys are fans of Kiss,
but this is still a seventy four.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Year old man.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I know he looks cool and everything, but he's a
seventy four year old guy, so he's kind of old.
So in this particular case, they said that, So I'm
sure you're all aware of this, of you're fans of him,
that he has a history of alcoholism, and but he's
been sober for over twenty years, and it was his
alcoholism was so bad to the point where he was
drinking bottles of perfume to get the alcohol out of it. Yeah,
(08:35):
so I don't think that that has really anything to
do with it. But that's the first thing when you
think about people falling, and it's especially someone that's a
rock star, you would think like, okay, are they Are
they on anything that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Would cause them the fall.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So I don't know exactly what caused the fall, but
they said that it wasn't really They didn't initially think
it was that bad, and then it progressively got really
really bad.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And that's one.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Important thing that I want you guys to get out
of this is if you ever hit your head, that
you should always go to the hospital, because this is
exactly what happened to Natasha Richardson. I don't know if
you know her name, but she was the mom in
the parent Trap movie, so I'm sure all of you
guys remember her. And she was skiing and hit her
(09:19):
head and didn't think it was that bad, and she
ended up dying because she didn't go to the hospital.
And she really could have survived that injury if she
went in a timely fashion.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So what happens sometimes.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
When you get older your brain starts to get it
starts to shrink a little bit, and there's these veins
that connect to the outer covering called the door matter
of your brain. And what happens is when you fall,
you could tear one of those veins and it causes
blood to come out, but not very fast because it's
not an artery, so it's not what you would think
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of every single time the heartbeats that it would be
squirting out. It's more of a slower leak. So he
might have hit his head and thought that he felt
fine and then all of a sudden started developing a headache,
and then that's when he started maybe having some other
symptoms that someone said, okay, we should go to the hospital,
which is why they were able to get him before
(10:12):
he died, because if he went to sleep that night,
perhaps he could have just died in his sleep, but
they were able to keep him alive. But he was
on a ventilator and they just said, he's not going
to get any better, and that's when they eventually decided
to take them off of life support.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
But doesn't it make you think of the story we
covered that all these people are taken off of life
support prematurely.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, insane.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, we had some story about studies that have been
done on people on life support that they might not
really be gone people surviving and getting off of it
because their families said that they didn't want to take
them off. And yeah, that was really kind of eye opening,
because I guess when you're at the hospital and the
doctor says like, there's nothing else we can do that,
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most people are like, all right, well, I guess we
got to do that, And turns out that might not
be the case all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well. Also, did you see that he went to a
psychic earlier this year who told him he was going
to live till one hundred And he just said that
in March, which I assume some of you guys are
gross remembers.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
He's a gross remember in here. Yeah, I was gonna
say this, guys. We just covered Sylvia Brown last week.
I don't know if you remember her from the Mantel
Williams show.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That lady is out of control.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, she's so oh my god, she was saying the
craziest stuff. The most memorable one to me was the
nine to eleven one.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
This lady goes on and it's like my husband drowned
or no, sorry, my husband died in nine to eleven,
and she keeps going, no, he drowned, and she's like, no,
he was a firefighter in nine eleven. She's castlighting this
woman that her husband actually didn't die in nine to eleven,
but then he drowned in the separate occasion.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
It was just really horrible shit.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
This one lady said that she was struggling with infertil
this whole time, and then she's like, well, I ever
have my own child, and she's like no.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's so messed up.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
It's just it just would never happen today. She would
get canceled in like one week today. But why are
we talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Because he went to the psychic and Sylvia Brown couldn't
even predict her own death, so I supposed to tell
you exactly what he's gonna die, all right, right? A
New Jersey woman has been arrested after allegedly buying a
set of knives and marshals and then using one of
them to stab a woman she got into an argument
(12:37):
with in the parking lot. Yeah, so I think what
happened was it?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I'm just is that a flute that I'm hearing right now.
I think you're right, just like random flute. So I
think that they the fight had started in the store.
There was some kind of fight over the checkout situation,
and she had went back in and bought these knives,
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which I think is kind of crazy because do you
ever get something that's in one of those packages that
are impossible to open? Seriously, like, it's kind of amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
That she even was able to open it up and
get the thing out.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And then yes, she went back out in the parking
lot and stabbed this lady a bunch of times. She
didn't kill her, and they said that there was no
life threatening injuries, which means that she wasn't very good
at it, and she really just probably stabbed her into
her skin but didn't push it through enough to actually
cause any kind of damage, which is good for her
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because if that lady died because of that, she would
have been facing a lot more jail time.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
All right, let me tell you how this would have
happened to MoMA.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Because we always make fun of my mom on the show.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
By the way, that just for those of you who
haven't listened, they were at Marshall's.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Which is a DQ special. She's always there.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Always Marshall's is her target audience. Yes, so she's at Marshall's.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And then the argument started because the woman was taking
too long in the line, which you know, they fill
the lines with a bunch of shits so people spent
more money. So I totally see mom. I'm looking at
every cup, every candle and getting yelled at. And then
I don't know if we've told this on the show before,
but she got in a fight once at a gas
station and the lady threw a milkshake in her car.
(14:23):
So this is exactly why I could see her being
in this situation. But yeah, this suspect, I think it
was Aunt Terry gave the lip first.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
When Antari and Beth are together, forget it, there, they
are the worst.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
All right, Okay, we can go. It's fine, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So the suspect was found hiding in the bathroom with
the bloody knife on top of the baby changing table.
I'm sure that was an extremely disturbing scene to see,
but as you said, the woman ended up being okay,
and the suspect is going to be charged with aggravated
assault in possession of a weapon.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I mean, you can kill someone with a steak knife.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Is it where getting? Like? Are we losing patience as
a society? Do we feel this that just everywhere you go,
anybody has total lact of patients. We just saw in
a target last week when we were there, this target
employee said this woman was like, you can go in
front of me because you don't have as many items
as me, and the target employee said no, and it
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just turned into this huge sprawl in the target line
and it's like, it's not that big of a deal.
Everybody's getting the same place.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's crazy that people's fuses so short that they would
kill somebody, like give up your whole life for somebody
that you didn't even know fifteen minutes ahead of time.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
It's just any stabber, mean, I could understand people, you
know that.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Not that Wait did you see? Kristen Bell posted a
like happy anniversary to her husband and she.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Wrote is that what's who?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Is she the one that sings the song? She's in
Frozen and a bunch of other shows. So she's she's
married to who dak Shepherd?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So she posted it like happy twelve year anniversary to
a man who said, I he thinks about killing me sometimes,
but I've never been good enough to do it to
And then Dateline commented on it, so we screenshot. I
thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
It is kind of true.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
All right, Tuesday night, around ten pm, this older woman
who just lost her husband is at her house with
her two adult kids. Someone starts knocking on the door
and they see on the ring doorbell that it's seemingly
three teenagers dressed in Halloween costumes. So at first start
thinking it's this prank. They're saying through the doorbell, Happy Halloween.
But then the kids keep knocking. Well I'm assuming it's kids.
(16:36):
It looked like it was teenagers. They keep knocking on
the door and then eventually started to threaten to come
inside and kill the people in there. And this went
on for ten whole minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I want to know how the husband died, because I'm serious.
I'm serious, because they can be coming back and getting
revenge over something like what Why would they be harassed
in this lady for when they don't even know who
she is or anything.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
It's just kind of weird. If never wearing costume.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
You want to hear something else that was weird.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
About it too, they came. They showed up at her
house at ten o'clock at night. I'm sorry anyone in
here if you look at your doorbell and see people
on October fifteenth or whatever it was at your doorbell
in costumes.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
She was like, I said, back, happy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
That's not so my mom was, but it's like, what
are you talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So these people are dressed in a clown, that costume
a scary and right there, like.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Id be like, call the cops.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I don't know, because part of me wants to attribute
it if it was teenagers to them just being absolute
idiots and just going around and trying to do this.
But it's not funny, like that would scare the shit
out of me.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Well, they also broke the fence and went into the
backyard and cut their screen, so they were trying to
get in the house, and they said, if you don't
come out, we're coming in. Yeah, it was a little
bit more than a prank.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
People.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I've never seen The Purge, but people were saying it
was like a scene that happened in the movie. But
you could watch online the whole doorbell video and then
you know, the kids eventually leave and then the family's
coming out, and the one lady's like, don't shoot me
to the guy inside. I'm walking around, I'm like, what
is going on?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
If it's a situation, it was Mike Myer's a clown,
which is scary, and a sinister looking nun, which is
also scary.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I hate this. And then how are you supposed to
possibly catch people like this when they're in full costume?
I mean, their their identities were completely concealed. You couldn't
see anything. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I just don't I don't know why she thought to
say happy Hell, I just I just get scared, Like
you're not scared if like if a person's trying to
like sell me solar panels or something like, I don't
want anybody on my porch.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Oh my god, anytime a solicitor knocks on my door,
I'm like, you got balls? Do you like this? Day?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
And age is much?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah? And then so this is the part the part
of the story too, like apparently these people were legally
they legally owned firearms, and they said that they're lucky
that they were considering using them on the people, which.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
They could have and well, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I don't know if you would get in trouble for
that because they weren't actively attacking or something.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I don't know how that works, didn't We cut a
story a couple of weeks ago where a kid got
shot doing ding gum ditch.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, my kids just said that last night actually to
you when we were walking to the haunted House.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
All right.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
A ten year old boy in Thailand had to get
laser tattoo removal after his bullies used a makeshift tattoo
gun and tattooed the word pussy onto his forehead. It's like,
it's like funny, but not like it's just like it's
not funny at all. It's the word Pussy's just funny.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Like it's just I'm not making I'm not making fun
of the kid at all.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I just think that it's it's outrageous that it happened,
But it's because she bullies me too.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
But yeah, you would definitely get pussy tattooed on your forehead.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I mean for sure, do you hear this up? She's
not joke.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Unreal, She's gonna show up on next week's episode with
like in front of all our friends.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Right here, You're gonna this unreal.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Anybody that knows you knows that I say that about
you all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's endearing anyway. Loves making fun of me. She's She's
what my kids would calling Karen.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They crossed when we said.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
When your living room was set up more formally as
our office, I have my business cards on the desk,
and the kids crossed out my first name on every
single one and wrote Carrie, like destroyed, Like that was
when her.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Name was Paul before she got married too, So it
was like, what's it carry PAULI just.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Sounded funny, unreal.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
So so yeah, So I mean this is Lara does tattoos, right,
what would you call this?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like this stick and poke tattoos?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:57):
So this is basically what they did.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They use a sewing needle attached to a pen and
it's kind of the same exact theory it's had too.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
You have to stick it in kind of deep.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It has to go beyond into the second layer of
the skin for the ink to go in. But if
it goes into the dharmas, which is what it did
in this case, which is the second layer of skin,
you know how the top layer of our skin. Think
about when you get a sunburn or something. It peels off,
well it's so subtracted by everything, Well, it goes into
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the layer below that and once it's there, there's these
cells that are in your skin called macrifages, and those
cells are supposed to grab any kind of it. They're
especially there to grab like bacteria and stuff if you
get a cut, and they're supposed to they're part of
your immune system. But what happens is it grabs that
ink and it holds onto it and the pigment's too
(21:53):
big for it to break down and go to the
liver to get flushed out of the system, so they
just sit there. And that's what you're looking at is
the tattoo. So over time tattoos will fade, those macrifages
will continue to digest that and even when they die off,
new ones will come by and grab that pigment. So
when they use the laser treatment, they're breaking up all
(22:16):
of that pigment to make it into smart, smaller particles,
so the macrifages are able to break it down. What's
really cool though, is that a local tattooer had offered
a laser gets off for free. But then I was
thinking isn't laser way more painful than getting a tattoo,
and assuming especially from a shitty home made tattoo gun.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I never I don't think it was a gun. I
just think that he they were just like sticking like that,
but lazer.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I never had the laser tattoo, but I my husband
had it, and he said it was terrible.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
It looked terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Because not only was pussy tattooed on his forehead, but
he had spots on his arms and legs too. So
they also got ten other spots off of his legs
and they're saying it's taking three sessions to remove all
of the markings, which not not like it's enough for
this kid to go through the initial trauma of going
through this, but then you also have to go through
all of this. I can't imagine how horrific.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Are those kids. I mean, I guess they're not going
to get in trouble their children.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It's just it's kind of weird that a ten year
old would even think to do that to somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, yes, it's like a little I just think, like
you know, I hate everybody blaming video games on white
kids are so desensitized, But I think we can all
agree that in general, they've done lots of study.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
That that that's not true, Like they just have though
I know, I'm just saying it's doing this study.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
So it's like Nintendo is no is it like is
it like Hasbro games do study exactly what I'm just
saying though, like there has been correlation with some cases.
But really they say, I mean, there's just so many people.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That play them, all those types of games, and but
if there's definitely I agree with you though, I definitely
I think there's this sensitation for like we were saying
that it started with really Luigi Mangi and it was
like a turning point for that kind of stuff, just
killing people because you you know, don't agree with them
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and then or what they're doing or whatever, and it
just kind of spiraled from there in a way of
just celebrating death.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
All right. So not a good couple weeks for Disney's
pr because they had two people die and connected to them,
even though they really tried to get this first woman
out before she was pronounced it. So the first lady
was on the Haunted Mansion in Disneyland, and according to police,
the six year old had a medical issue and was
found unresponsive at the end of the ride, but she
(24:44):
was later pronounced dead at the hospital. So you know,
their whole mo is nobody dies in Disney because they
try to cart them off of the property as soon
as possible. But this one's still being todd days.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I feel like a lot of you in this room
would agree that that's like a dream location to die
like on the Haunted Mansion ride.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
It's just so cool. Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
The ride reopened shortly after, so they did have a
drava bit. It just seems like it's just coincidental. But
I want to know how a death on the ride
closes it only for a mere hour or two, and
when we why close the fund for everything we did?
When we went there last year, it was closed all
(25:24):
day and it was like the only reason we went there.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Well, we know that the ride has been closed for
hours because the people are and this is not just
happening at the Haunted Mansion, but people are bringing their
loved ones ashes and dumping them on the side of
their ride. But that's they have to use a happit
filter and vacuum it all up and everything, so that
that would the lady. The lady had a heart attack
(25:48):
probably or something. But we gave the advice too that
you don't have to dump all the ashes. You can
just take a little vial and do a little bit,
so it's not all sprinkle. Yeah, it's it's still the
same sentiments, don't hold, don't screw up everybody else's day.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But I mean, it's not this lady's pult she's good.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Well she so there's only a few things that especially
thinking that she's at Disney World, so she's probably not.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Sick, like with sepsis or something.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's what you think now.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I know, I could see that you have this big,
expensive trip planned and you really want to go. But
let's just assume that she was a fairly healthy person.
She was only sixty, right, she was very young. So
there's only a few things that could cause you to
drop dead like that, Like you're fine and then all
of a sudden, you're not fine.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
You're dead.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
So it could be like a heart attack, a stroke.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
There's just like a couple of different things that would
cause you to be walking and talking and then up
the next the aneurysm or something like that. There's not
that many things that it could really be if she
was seemingly healthy or in good health for the most part,
well except for the bad heart or whatever.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
It was all right.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So then this week, a thirty one year old woman
was found dead at the Contemporary resort in Disney World.
So at first there was rumors that a person was
hit by a monorail, but officials later said that that
wasn't true and her death is an apparent suicide. This
one has a lot of weird details coming out about it.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah, we actually, so we have a website called the
Gross Room, and we do every single week we either
cover a celebrity or other kinds of deaths that are
just interesting to people.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So a couple of years ago we.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Did Disney just Disney World deaths because people you hear
about them once in a while, but people don't really
talk about it that much because it's frowned upon at
Disney to think about.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Things like that. But someone, actually, someone did.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Kill themselves at the Contemporary a couple years ago, and
it was it was in twenty sixteen. Someone jumped in
front of the monorail, which is still a possibility because
I don't know that. They definitely said that she jumped.
They said that she They said the wording was very interesting.
It just said she was.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Not hit by the monarel.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
She intended to take her own life. Do you understand,
You think it's still yeah, it still could have hit
her and she could have felt.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Do you think the way they worded it was that
she wasn't hit as a result of like.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
It wasn't an actor. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I don't know because they didn't really say that. And
they said that her cause of death was blunt force trauma.
So what that is is that's supposed to You would say,
if someone stabs someone at Marshall's, that would be sharp
trauma that you're using a sharp weapon. Blunt trauma is
can happen if you're using a blunt weapon like a
baseball bet or something that isn't sharp. But it also
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can happen because your body is considered to be a
blunt object hitting against the pavement, which is another blunt object,
or a train or anything. So if she was One
disturbing fact of this too, was that it was six
o'clock at night and guests were the one that reported
that they saw a dead body, which is like, you
(29:11):
don't want to be in that mindset in Disney. But yeah,
this story is do you have some of the details
on her. Yeah, So it started coming out that she
flew from her home in Illinois to Orlando without telling anyone.
And then somebody on Reddit hours before had posted in
a Disney forum looking for a missing woman matching her description,
(29:34):
but they have not confirmed the connection between that post,
but it seems likely it was her. And then when
her identity was revealed and these articles found her Facebook page,
they said back in December she had posted a pregnancy
announcement with her husband, but there was never any follow
up updates on the pregnancy, and her honeymoon had been
at the Contemporary two months before she announced that pregnancy.
(29:56):
So are we under the assum that she lost the baby?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Did she have the baby and is going through severe postpartum?
What is going on?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Her family had no idea.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
She was taking a trip there that day.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So I did some creeping on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
So this is all just this is all just speculation.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But apparently the husband put the post on this Reddit
page that was our slash Disney and said her name
and said that she was missing, and she left without
saying anything, and she turned her phone off, okay, and
they nobody knew where she was, and they were obviously
she had to be having some kind of mental illness
(30:40):
issues in the past, because why else would they why
else would he be I mean, I guess it's weird
for anybody to do that, but that was.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Setting off alarms that she was missing like that.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, so he was putting this post to say, hey,
she was, but she was like one of these, like
a Disney she was she was there all the time.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Well she not only went all the time, but she
had worked there for three years as a character actor.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah so she So I don't think for people that
go to Disney World multiple times a year that that
necessarily would be so random, right, except in this case.
So she So people were saying that they followed her
on Instagram. I don't know if she was one of
these Disney influencer type of people, but somebody said that
(31:27):
she had a baby girl in July. Okay, So that's
what I was wondering because and yeah, so, I mean,
that's that's just what I saw reading the comments. Like
I said, it's not officially reported, but people seemed somebody
was like, like a rest in peace, my friend I had,
she had a girl in July. I mean that it's
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it's likely what was going on there, so which would
make sense. And as soon as soon as I thought
about that, I don't know if you guys heard about
this story. A couple of years ago, this woman named
Lynza Clancy in she was like near Boston area right
or up in New England area there. She had just
had a baby and she killed three of her children
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and then she tried to kill herself by jumping out
of her window. And it's a postpartum depression thing. But
there's you know, a lot of people experience it after
they have a baby. But then there's a certain population,
a subset of the population that gets this psychosis it's
called where they have Most of the time people that
(32:33):
have experienced this said that when they see their baby,
they think about them getting hurt, but they think about
them maybe dropping them by accident or something like that.
And then there's even a smaller percentage of these people
who think about harming their children to the point where
they get so scared with those thoughts that they decide
(32:53):
that they have to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Be away from them.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
And maybe that could be the case of what happened
here that she is having. You hear stories of women
that they don't feel a connection with their baby and
things like that, and whenever anything like that happens, you
should always be seeing a mental health expert to deal
with that.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
And so the woman that I was talking about.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Lindsey Clancy, she was actually seeing a psychiatrist because she
was having these issues and she was on medications. And
she sent her husband to the store I believe, to
go pick up dinner or something like that, and while
he was gone, she killed the kids with like exercise equipment. Yeah,
(33:38):
and then she jumped out of the window. And she
is a quadriplegic right now. So it's a real thing
that I think. It's I mean, it sucks to talk
about suicide and stuff, but it's good to talk about
because so many people have babies and are around people,
and you could start telling when when someone's going through it.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Afterwards. Yeah, I mean, I guess.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
As always, we'll try to update you if we ever
get it more information, but we never do. All right,
Should we wrap up on this later? One a woman
eaten by her dogs? All right? Police went to go
do a welfare check on a woman in her late sixties,
and when they got there, they not only found her dead,
but discovered that her dogs had eaten her. Her remains
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were scattered across the property, and they believed she was
eaten by other wild animals as well.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
This happens way more often than you think. You would
think that your animal wouldn't eat you, but when you're
dead and you're not giving them food, then they're going
to eat you. These dogs had these wireless perimeter collars
on them, so they were kind of stuck on the property.
They think the woman so she was in her late sixties.
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They think that she may have experienced a medical event
and fell down the stairs, and then the dogs just
started to eat her, along with possibly other animals in
the air. The reason that they have to think is
because when you have a person, they said that her
mail hadn't been checked for a long time, no one
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had seen her, and she had fallen in an area
where none of the neighbors could see, so she was
there for a while, and at that point there's not
a lot of soft tissue left, so if she did
have a heart attack, the heart could possibly just be gone,
so you really wouldn't be able to tell let's say,
obviously they'll check the whole body. So when they bring
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the body to the medical examiner's office, they're going to
do X rays and they're just going to see if
there's any broken bones or any evidence of a knife attack,
a gun attack, or anything like that. And once they
rule out that she had any signs of trauma, they're
basically going to say that it was probably due to
just an accident or a natural event that would cause
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her to fall down.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
And so one of the ways that you could tell
that the.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Animals didn't attack her and that wasn't the reason that
she died is because if there was soft tissue left
on the bones, you could see that there was no
hemorrhage or anything, which means that her heart would have
been beating. So hemorrhage is like when you bleed, it'll
be like a bruising.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Around the around the wound.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
So a lot of times in these post mortem animal
scavengings that we see, you won't see a lot of it.
Just there's no sign that there was life when those
wounds occurred. So you also see things like scratches on
the bones from the teeth from the claws, and she
(36:42):
had a cat to One of the things that I
hate talking about these animal stories is that they euthanize
the animals.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Which is but the reasoning seem ridiculous. They said they
youthanize the dogs due to a biohazard of consuming human remains,
and then they euthanized the cat after it was found
lethar and malnourished. Those don't really seem like legitimate reasons
to kill these animals.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, and it's just like the woman, if she had anything,
it's it's definitely gone by now, and just like put
them in quarantine for a day and let them poop
it out and they'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't really understand why they did that, But can
you imagine the cops showing up, So you're like, I'm
either seeing a Jeffrey Dahmer situation with these limbs scattered
around this property or just a woman eating by her
pits marble.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I mean I feel like cops have seen it enough
that when they show up there, they they'll what's up.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I mean, there's frantic animals and old Lady. You could
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(37:57):
out today.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Thanks thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As
a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I
have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy and
pathology education. I am not a doctor and I have
(38:18):
not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without the
assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
(38:39):
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