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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. This has probably been
the most packed week of the year for news stories,
at least for our content anyway. So we had an
emergency breaking news episode yesterday. I hope you guys check
that out because of all of the stories over the weekend,
and today we're going to talk about the latest update
(00:41):
with what's going on with the murder of Rob Reiner
and his wife. We have an update on a story
we talked about last week involving a pregnant mother that
went missing and her body was found without the baby.
A news story coming out of New York City involving
tourists who are getting violently at There's actually two different stories,
(01:02):
a man who purade his wife, Yes you heard me right,
he purade his wife, and two really bizarre stories involving
pepper spray. We'll finish off the episode with your emails,
all that and Moral Titty's episode, what's the latest with
Rob Reiner?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
All right, So, just as a reminder, if somebody didn't
get a chance to listen to our emergency episode yesterday,
Famed Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife were found
dead in their La home. So basically what we know
now is that Nick Reiner, who is their son and
who was arrested for this crime. Now, so he had
checked into this hotel in Santa Monica at four am
(01:39):
on Sunday, and then they said at the time that
he checked in that he seemed like he was quote
tweaked out, but he didn't have any obvious signs of
being in a struggle. He didn't have blood on him
or anything. So later that day he didn't officially check
out or anything. He just left the hotel. But when
they went in the room, the room was totally covered
in blood. So like, where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I don't know, maybe he had his hands wrapped up
or something. I mean, a knife attack like that could
just get really bad, because I'm sure the mom or
the dad tried to grab the knife out of his
hand and tried to get him to stop. And I
mean that there could have even been a period where
one of the victims got a hold of the knife
(02:22):
and cut him and then he was able to get
it back. I mean, there's just so many different circumstances
that could happen. So when he goes to the hospital,
obviously they'll give him an exam. I'm assuming is he
in a jail or is he in some kind of
a mental institution right now, some kind of a hospital
(02:42):
for his issues.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, it seems right now that he's just being held
in jail. And we had reported yesterday that his bail
was originally set at four million dollars. Now they're saying
there's no bail.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, which is good because he seems like he's this
isn't like he's not a threat to anyone else. He
is and I and his family, especially his siblings, should
be terrified of him. Really. I mean, I can't even imagine,
and I mean it sucks. I know, the guys had
mental health things going on in his life, and he's
(03:14):
had a drug problem, but like there's still everyone else
around that has to live and deal with the repercausions
of his actions.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Totally, and you know, like I don't know, maybe they
listen to mother Knows Death or something and realized they
made a mistake with setting the bill when this family
hasm be it not worth of about two hundred million
plus dollars. So I don't know, I mean, I think
it's smart, not setting him up with anything and not
letting him, not giving him the ability to get out basically,
(03:45):
So what's also kind of scary is that, So we
have to assume based on him being missing and checking
into this hotel and blood being all over the room. Well,
I guess we can't assume that the murders happened at
four I am, But we just don't know right now.
So what we did know yesterday was that Saturday night,
there was this altercation between the three of them at
(04:05):
Conan O'Brien's holiday party, which caused the Rhiners to leave,
except I don't think the sun left with them. So
then in my mind, if that happened at night and
then he's checking into this hotel at four am, did
the murders happen in between then or did he go
back and then that's where all the blood came into play,
because they say at the time he was checking in,
(04:26):
he didn't have any signs of a struggle, right, So
maybe he did check in before went back to the
house and then went back to the hotel to clean up.
I don't know, But he wasn't arrested told that night,
so he was gone for a pretty significant amount of
time even after they were found.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, that which is scary. I mean, all these stories
are just like, I can't believe these people are just
walking amongst us right now. It's just freaks you out,
you know. So I guess that's it. And you said
that he has a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Is that? So?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
What I saw being reported literally minutes before where we
hit record was that Karen Reid's lawyer, Alan Jackson, is
set to represent him. So I'm very interested to see
how that pans out.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh God, well, yeah, I mean, we'll say. I mean, listen,
I've been hearing a lot of stories on a lot
of different shows about this kid's mental health issues and
his drug addictions that started at a very young age.
And it's just really sad because these I mean, unlike
a lot of other Hollywood families that you hear about,
(05:30):
these people seem to be pretty close. They're still married,
they have the kids, you know, everything seemed to be
like a fairly i mean as normal as you could
be family living in that kind of a situation where
you're just a Hollywood elite person. But they seem to
really have tried and tried hard to get that kid
(05:51):
straightened out and he just never could. And I'm sure
it's I mean he how old is he now, thirty something,
early thirties, thirty two? Yeah, So, I mean they've been
dealing with this now with him for a while, and
it's probably almost a sense of release at least to
the to the siblings that he's in jail and he
(06:14):
can't hurt anybody else right now. But I just can't
imagine having to mourn the death of your parents like that,
and especially the daughter that found him seemed to have
been very close with him. I mean, they were just
on vacation, like last week together. So it's it's just
like it's really just traumatic to have to go through.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well that and it's like the holidays right now, so
that's extra hard to go through without your family. And
both your parents died.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And they were I think that they were celebrating Honikah
or getting ready to if it was in the beginning
of Honkkah. So you know, now every single year when
Honkkah comes up, it's like, this is what this poor
girl is going to have to think about, you know,
And it's just it's just so messed up, and I
really wonder, you know, what actually happened, and I'm sure
(07:09):
that'll come out. He's probably gonna try to get out
on some kind of I don't even know. I don't
I don't like the fact that you hear about a
fancy defense attorney coming to represent him, because god knows
what they're going to try to say, was he abused
this and that, you know what I mean, Like, just
it might get ugly and and and like I don't
(07:30):
know that it needs to that needs to happen, but
we'll say and we'll cover it as it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, Like I think Alan Jackson did a really great
job in Karen Reid's case, because you know, that was
really a case of such an inboch, such a botched
investigation that you couldn't tell either way. So she did
need really good representation. So like, I just hope if
it goes down this path and they go to trial,
it's not like taking down this guy. I mean, we
don't know what happened behind closed doors obviously, but apparently
(08:00):
defense attorneys are just allowed to say whatever they're going
to say without any getting in trouble at all.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
All Right, So an update on this, This poor pregnant
woman who went missing, full almost full term pregnant woman
went missing. And now so I think when we talked
about it last week, we didn't know really many more details.
And of course, as per usual, second we're done recording,
some breaking information comes out. So so as of last
(08:30):
week we had told this story about her. You know,
she was almost full term, went missing, no one knew
where she was, and then her dead body was found
in a wooded area and she was there. They said
that she was not pregnant and that the baby was missing.
So according to the autopsy report, they could really determine
(08:52):
if she was if she was still pregnant, if she
had a natural miscarriage, if somebody took it out of her,
which is what ended up happening.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, so basically what we know right now. So this
victim's name was Rebecca Park. She was twenty two years
old when she was found, So, like you were saying,
she was found or she went missing when she was
thirty eight weeks pregnant. So they find her a couple
weeks after she goes missing. The babies know where to
be found. And at the time we were originally reporting it,
we knew that some family members had been arrested, but
we didn't really know any information. Now all this crazy
(09:24):
shit's coming out that apparently her stepfather was the father
of this baby, even though he's denying it, but that's
what her mother is saying. Then her mother admitted to
cutting the baby out with a scalpel and then out
of her body with a scalpel, and then saying that
the baby wasn't breathing and she was planning on bringing
the baby to her boyfriend at the time, who was
(09:44):
thought to be the father. I mean, this is such
a family miss. And then they said because the baby
wasn't breathing, they put the baby in a cooler and
then disposed of the baby in a dumpster. Is that
what actually happened?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I don't know. These people are just total trash. I
mean you could see looking at the picture of some
of them, they look like the typical faces of meth people.
Some of them like it's just there's like something going
on there. And her so, her fiance, who thought that
he was the baby's father, is twenty years older than her, right, Yeah,
(10:19):
which is just I mean, not that that's doesn't happen,
but it's unusual. She was twenty two and he was
forty two or whatever, and he got arrested as well
on separate drug charges. Just like like there's just total
trash going on there as it is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, he gets arrested on separate drug chargers, and her
sister also got arrested, but for lying to police. But
the mom and the stepdad have been arrested.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
For the murder now, and so like what I know
that she said she was cutting the baby out of
her daughter to give to her daughter's fiance. It just
like why, I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, But then she also was like, well, I know
my husband's the baby's dead, so why would you be
cutting out the baby to give to the fiance. Nothing
about it makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, I mean, and it's what's really really upsetting about
this case is that the prosecution is putting charges against
these two because they say that the baby was cut
out of her while she was still alive, and and
like what that poor girl went through before she died,
(11:28):
I just can't even I mean, just like, think about
someone giving you surgery while you're alive anyway, if you're
just a normal victim of violence that's getting stabbed and
someone's tried to cut your organs out while you're still alive.
How traumatic that would be. But then knowing that this
crazed person is taking the baby out of your body
(11:51):
that you're about to give birth to, it's just like
so terrifying, right before you know you die. It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So I guess the question of the paternity because the
stepfather is denying that he's detected easily. Well, that's what
I was going to ask you, Like, if her placenta
was left behind, can't isn't Is the father's DNA left
in that? Or I don't know how that works?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So like, well, yeah, I mean that's a good question
because because the baby, so they don't know where the
baby is as of right now. I guess they're not
really saying where it is. But according to the court affidavits,
the mother said that she put the baby in a
cooler and threw it in a dumpster, So we might
(12:35):
not ever get the remains of the baby back, which
is which is really unusual. Right. Yeah, to answer your question,
the placenta does have the father's DNA in it, if
they are able to find that, although they haven't mentioned
that in the documents, so I have no idea exactly
(12:59):
what they did. I mean, like, did this woman actually
think that she was going to do a C section
on somebody and keep the baby alive at the same time. Like,
people are just totally clueless as to how life works, right,
So if she did, if she did take out the
baby and just crudely cut the baby out and left
(13:21):
her daughter's body there, then there is a potential that
the placenta was still left behind inside of the mom's uterus.
I mean, like, I just I don't really know what
was seen at autopsy. We don't have the autopsy report,
but they were saying that at least they know that
she was not pregnant at the time her body was found,
(13:45):
because obviously, if the mom's admitting to using a scalpability
to cut the body open, they would see that incision
open still when her dead body was found, And unfortunately,
that means that they saw a lot of hemorrhage around
on that particular wound, which would indicate that she was
still alive and her heart was still beating when when
(14:06):
that happened.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I just, I don't know if this is dumb to say,
but like I'm a little mind blown that they were
even able to cut this baby out successfully because they
all seem like idiots.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
They are, but I mean they didn't do it successfully.
I mean, if you, if you have any any person
could do it. You're just like cutting into something. They
cut skin, but you're eventually gonna hit the baby. But
god knows what they did. I mean, get just getting in.
You know, getting a c section is a major surgery,
cutting through multiple layers of abdominal skin, abdominal wall, muscle,
(14:42):
soft tissue, and then you have to go to the
uterus and cut through that and try not to cut
the baby in the process, which is a whole other
thing that could have happened, you know, Like she's clearly
not a trained professional at all, even a little bit
so not so prized that the baby didn't survive. But
I mean it's not anybody could do it. It's I mean,
(15:05):
it would have been more you would have been a
little bit more surprised if she delivered it and the
baby survived.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, I just I'm having a hard time even understanding
what the mom wanted to do with the kid.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And I still don't one hundred percent believe that because
these people are such scumbags, Like maybe maybe that was
part of the excuse that she's saying, but she also
could have successfully taken the baby out and sold it
to somebody for a lot of money. Like we don't
know what happened yet, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That's totally a possibility too. It's not like they're like
peak Society members.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
No, they're quite the opposite of that. So yeah, so, uh,
now getting into another story. So believe it or not,
we actually covered this story over a year ago, but
it's been in the news a lot lately and there's
a little bit more details I don't remember the first time,
So let's talk about this one.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Kind of eerily similar details to this last story. So
just as a quick reminder, we had covered this case
back in September of twenty twenty four. But these grandparents
got to call that their grandkid's daycare from the grandkid's
daycare that they weren't picked up and they were usually
picked up by their mom, who was these people's daughter,
So they end up picking the kids up. The husband's
playing thumb says he doesn't know where the wife is,
(16:22):
but later that day they end up finding the wife's
decapitated head in their laundry room.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, so the dad was just looking around. I mean,
I can't even imagine this. Her dad's in their house,
looking around their house and sees blonde hair peeking out
of a trash bag or a laundry bin in the
laundry room and peeks in there and finds his daughter's
dismembered body in this bag after seeing her blonde hair
(16:50):
sticking out.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, so, I guess I'm a little confused. Is because
at the time we reported this, originally we knew the
husband did it, and we knew details such as he's
dismembered her and ended up pureeing parts of her body.
But more information's coming out that I guess he cut
her womb out, which was the only organ removed from
her body. And then they're also saying that he's just
(17:14):
now been charged with the murder. So, like, why did
it take so long? This happened in February of twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'm not sure exactly. I mean, this is so One
interesting thing is that this is in another country, so
their medical legal death investigation is just done differently. And
one thing that I noticed is they give this person
in the article like an alious name because of privacy laws,
(17:42):
which is absolutely crazy that people are allowed to remain
private when they do a crime like this.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
There's been a lot of privacy lately, especially with predator types,
and I'm just sorry, but like, if you commit a
crime like this, you don't get privacy anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, I mean, I agree, and I really don't understand
how it went down. But so her her manner of
death was listed as homicide obviously, but her cause of
death was strangulation, so they were able to see that
she was strangled to death, which we've been talking about
a lot on this episode, especially after interviewing Jim Schmidt,
(18:21):
who is one of Gabby Patito's dads, about just like
what a certain kind of person does that. It's just
it's just like really interesting when you hear that that
would that strangles people, right, So that was her cause
of death in that case. And then I don't know
what happened and what level of like psycho this guy is,
(18:43):
but apparently he was chopping up her body and they
were able to time it to see that he was
watching YouTube videos as he was doing it. It doesn't
say what he was watching on YouTube, though obviously he
wasn't watching videos on how to cut up a body,
but like, what the hell was he watching when he
was doing that?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, I am curious, of course, because you can't just
learn information like that and not get any more details,
like was he watching cartoons?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Was he watching a cooking show of someone actually cutting
up meat and stuff? Which is really bizarre.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, it's terrible. But basically, they were also saying that
they could prove that he, you know, had to break
all her joints in this it's so disturbing to think
about the details of this. He had to break all
of her joints in this specific way to get her
body parts dismembered. And then they said that investigators found
the blender and her remains, including flaps of skin with
muscles still attached, as well of chunks of bone. And
(19:39):
let's not forget the wildest part of this case, which
is he claims he killed her in self defense.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, exactly, like what which is funny because so he
says he says that she attacked him with a knife,
which listen, like, that's possible, people attack people with a knife.
That's fine, even though there was no there was no
evidence that he was trying to defend himself during that
(20:04):
time or that she was you know there there just
seems to be no evidence of that. But like, let's
say even she did, right, you get her off of her,
You get her off of you by strangling her. Okay, fine,
she's dead. What about all the other weird shit that
happened afterwards. That's that's where you're gonna lose the jury. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like, this is what I was trying to say about
Brian Walsh yesterday on the Emergency episode. He's trying to say,
in that case, oh, she died naturally, and I freaked out,
so I just dismembered her body, like dump bank a body,
a whole body is one thing. But going to the
great lengths to cut somebody up and then in this
case pureding them and cutting out a very specific organ
(20:48):
is like, what.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is going on in your life? Why'd you cut out
her uterus? It's very weird. And maybe it's like maybe
she cheated, maybe he found out that the kids aren't his.
There's just so many things. I just don't know really
why he thought he was gonna get away with it,
especially you have a clearly at least the wife's mother
and father are in the picture. To the point where
(21:09):
the school calls them to come pick them up. Right,
you have like a lot of people that are in
and out of your house and stuff, Like people are
gonna notice that she's missing and want to know where
she is. Like, I don't understand how you think you're
getting away with this.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, and like if you did want to get away
with it, you couldn't have done the bare minimum and
picked the kids up from school. Like that was the
ultimate red flag which set off the rest of this case.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know, Yeah, what.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
An absolute idiot. I'm just curious, Like, I guess what
was this in Switzerland where it happened because she was
a finalist in the Miss Switzerland competitions, yeah, or pageant,
So like I don't know how their legal system works
over there, but I don't understand how this occurs in
February of twenty twenty four, to the point where in
September of twenty twenty four we know all of this
information to report it and he's not then getting charged
(21:59):
with it until over a year after that. It's been
almost two full years since this crime occurred.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I don't know, and like it's just criyy. Yeah,
it's it's so disturbing to think that anybody. I mean,
like there's lots of cases in the gross room that
we have like really weird shit that people do after
someone dies, like trying to cut off their arms and
legs and like stick them down the toilet it like
to flush it or something. I don't even know what
(22:27):
they're thinking. It's just so outrageous that people's minds go there.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And you could say, like, let's say that even his
story's too true, because clearly when someone's killed in this way,
it's not like they have a completely normal relationship and
then all of a sudden this happens. Like they probably
had a super tumultuous relationship. You know people like that,
You've been friends with people like that, you know people
(22:54):
that are like constantly in these high level energy fights.
Cops are involved this and that all the time. Let's
say she did attack him with a knife and he
strangled her. It is possible that he panicked and was like,
oh my god, I'm going to get They're going to
think I did this on purpose, and that's why he
was trying to get rid of her body. Like the
lengths people will go to to try to cover something up.
(23:17):
But I mean, also, we don't know anything about the relationship,
but I'm sure that's not what happened.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, all right, So this terrible story broke last week
that a woman was changing her baby's diaper in the
bathroom at Macy's in New York City and out of nowhere,
this homeless woman barged in and started stabbing her.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Just so outrageous. Right, she's from California, she's here visiting
because New York is beautiful at Christmas time. You're in
Macy's of all places, just trying to change your kid.
This woman, so, she was in a psychiatric hospital for
a year and was released that morning and went this,
(23:58):
I just can't believe this. Actually, she heard voices in
her head telling her that she had to kill someone,
went to that Macy's, bought a knife and use that
knife to try to kill this woman. Like, how was
how did someone determine the morning that she was released
that she was okay to be released? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And then there's other information coming out that she was
in and out of psychiatric facilities and that she thought
she'd be better off in prison, So like, is she
using that as an excuse as to just being rerouted
into a different type of facility.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, I don't nobody's checking to make sure that she's
accounted for at all times.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I don't know, Like as a preg myself, this made
me really upset. I think you're very vulnerable when you
have a baby. I was just thinking, you know, I
don't even think on this podcast, but in the news
sometimes she'll just hear like a lady went to Target
and she's just putting her baby back in the car
and then gets attacked, right, And it just makes me
so upset to think about, like you're just doing something
(24:54):
so innocent, and especially in this case, these people are
like on vacation going to this that's notable. I mean,
it's featured in the Macy's Day Parade. It's this huge
split space. You're just trying to enjoy your day and
then this crazy person that should not be amongst society
comes in and attacks you out of nowhere for no reason.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's interesting actually because there's another case too this week
of a tourist being a victim, and obviously there's a
lot of tourists in New York City and I feel
like we just went on Friday to have dinner with
our friends, right, But we'ren't from New York, so I
just don't. I don't walk around like very vigilant all
(25:37):
the time, looking around, thinking that someone's going to attack me,
even though you hear about those stories all the time,
even in I mean, both of the stories that we
have today are happening and what are considered to be
really populated tourist areas, right, so where a normal person
visiting would be like, oh, this is the safest because
(25:58):
this is where everybody goes all the time. And like
you're that lady's from California, Like when you're from any
other part of the world or at least country anyway,
you're not really going there like thinking that anybody that's
standing next to you is going to just randomly try
to kill you, because that doesn't happen in the world
(26:19):
as frequently as it does there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
No, I mean just a couple of weeks. I mean,
I guess a month ago, DEDI and I were in
New York and we're just walking around. We're like, oh,
let's go in sex, Let's go in all these stores
we don't have, you know, just running around, so like
to think you're just like going around minding your own business,
and then somebody comes out of nowhere when you're like, oh,
I'm off today, I'm gonna have a nice day and
like just wander around and do something nice.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's just really upsetting and it makes me really upset,
like people attacking people with babies that are so vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So the baby fell on the ground, Oh my gosh,
and they said the baby was okay. So I don't
know how old the baby was or if it was
like a like a two year old baby or was
it a two month old baby. I don't know. But
she also was stabbed obviously, so had to have treatment
and and now like her and her husband and this
baby now are having to stay in New York so
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she could get treatment in the hospital. It's just like
I don't I just don't even know what to say
and whatever, Like, how does somebody get released that's in
this kind of condition. Well, yeah, they'll have to answer
for this obviously, because.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
She clearly was not in the shape to be released.
And I mean, did you see what was going on
in her past. She was arrested in twenty eighteen for
posting on Facebook she wanted to kill Senator Elizabeth Warren,
and then after that she was determined to be incapacitated
in court, ordered to take schizophrenia medication, and then she
was just in and out of psychiatric facilities since then basically,
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so I don't understand what this passed and then mixed
with her actions immediately upon release, who determined she was
okay to get out.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, And I don't know how they because sometimes they
release people into the custody of family and saying like,
you have to make sure this person takes their medicine
because when they take their medicine, they're not a threat, right,
But I mean, just try to force somebody that doesn't
want to do something like that to do it. It's
just it's just it's hard to do. And I don't
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know what the solution is, but it seems like a
lot of these people that are just kind of roam
in the streets are are not getting or not taking
their medicine. And when you're in that mindset of not
being treated and not feeling well and don't take your medicine,
you don't even realize that you would be better off
if you took it, you know what I mean, Like
(28:40):
you're just not in the right mindset. So some responsible
adult needs to be in charge of those people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So then, in a totally separate incident in Times Square,
these two tourists were waiting for a bus and this
guy came up to them attack them. He slapped this
one woman so hard in the face that she fell
to the ground, and then he ended up trying to
stab this guy, but luckily his winter coat was so
thick that it prevented him from getting a serious injury.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, I mean. And there was a story going viral
a couple weeks ago about an NYU student who was
just walking up the street and another person like it
was serious history of mental illness in and out slapped
her on the ass, like really really hard and she
was just walking up the street and totally got knocked
(29:30):
over by it, right, And she went on TikTok and
went viral with this video, and then her friend ended
up going to a store and got it on surveillance,
and in a crazy turn of events, they actually caught
the guy and were able to figure out who did
this and stuff which doesn't happen a lot of times,
like these crimes happen. And then they just wander off
(29:51):
into the night and nobody knows who it was or anything.
But when you watch the video of that too, you
you're just thinking, like it was broad daylight in front
of all these people just doing stuff like that. Like
imagine just walking up the street in Times Square when
we're walking around looking for our roasted coconut and someone
just coming up to you and slapping you across the
face so hard that you fall to the ground.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean, I can't imagine. But like, I also think
that in general, with people like this walking around, people
need to be extra vigilant and really be paying attention
to their surroundings.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, I mean, and the story that I was talking about,
I believe she was an NYU student, Like she was
wearing earphones and like, I mean, she lived on campus,
so she did it all the time. And it's really
unfortunate to tell people that they can't walk around with
earphones on because like someone's going to attack them, because
that's absolutely ridiculous. But I don't think in her particular
(30:46):
case it matter, because when you look at the video,
it's like the guy just kind of runs up and
does it, Like even she wouldn't have heard it. Happening,
you know, until it actually happened.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So well, there was a trend. I hate to say
trend because so messed up, but there was a trend
or something going on I think last summer, not this
past summer, like summer of twenty twenty four, where influencers
would just be like filming themselves walk in the streets
talking and people would just punch them in the face.
It was happening to a ton of people. Yeah, I
just it just makes me like so nervous. And I
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don't know it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean, like, has this always been happening? Is it
increasing just because of social media and because we just
hear about it more. I don't know. It's just like
it just seems like there's If you think about it, though,
it's like all of the millions of people that are
in New York every single day that are visiting and
this and that there's there's never anything that happens, I
mean comparative to how many people visit versus how many
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incidents happen. But it's still scary to think about because
it could happen to you.
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In Indiana, this couple ordered food through door Dash and
after the wife began eating her meal. She started choking
and gasping for air. So they checked their doorbell footage
and saw that the driver sprayed pepper spray all over
their food.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's so crazy, like the husband, I mean, this is
what you could just totally picture this going down because
the husband looks at the bag and decided that the
bag was tampered with. And you know, I mean, we
get DoorDash all the time, and I love when restaurants
put a sticker over top of the bag to seal
the bag, showing that you know they sealed it, because
(33:47):
there's been times where, I mean a lot of times
I get the bag and it smells like weed or cigarettes,
which is just kind of gross to me.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Cigarette is the grossest it is.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The cigarettes are disgusting, but we too, like I don't
really want to smell that in my food, and it
like absorbs in those paper bags. But there's been times
where I've ordered things like French fries or something like
that and the door dash driver, I mean this is
years ago, would go just decide to like eat half
of your thing of fries while it was in the car,
because I mean they're driving, they're not eating, they're smelling
(34:19):
good food. It's just tempting whatever, right, So the restaurants
started to seal up the bags, which I love. So
this guy checked the bag and noticed that the bag
was tampered with and also saw that there was there
was something that appeared to be sprayed on the outside
of it. So he just was trying to investigate to
be like what happened here, like let me see who
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dropped this off, and probably was absolutely shocked when he
came across this footage on his doorbell camera.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I just want to say side note, the best restaurant
ever with sealing it is Honey Grow because they sealed
the container with a very strong sticker that you would
know if it got ripped up, and the same with
the bag. I do appreciate that a lot. I will say, like,
if this girl was gonna do this, is she a
fucking idiot doing it in front of the camera, Like
(35:08):
if your intent was to poison somebody, why wouldn't you
do it elsewhere? It just seems so stupid to do
it in general, and why would you do it in general?
She's trying to say she was trying to spray a
spider and she's deadly afraid of spiders. And they're like, yeah, no,
it was thirty five degrees out and there's not spiders
right now.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, And I really, I really don't understand what she
was trying to do. Is there a possibility that she
knew the people? Because then maybe I like, is this
just like a random sick act that she and then
you have to think, okay, well how long? Like this
is what investigators need to be figuring out right now?
How long has she been working for door Dash Cause
(35:50):
I'm not sure, Like if I started coughing like that
and stuff, obviously I would call. I would think it
was the restaurant, probably from you know, going near the
food and like what if you don't have a doorbell
camera for example? Like have other people gotten sick? How
long she'd been working there? Are there are accounts of
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other people complaining about this, because I mean, she could
have really really hurt these people, especially if they had
it underlying medical conditions and stuff. I mean, if you
ever been exposed to pepper spray, it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible.
It's capsaicin from a chili pepper, like in a high
(36:34):
concentrated oil that's sprayed right, And I don't know if
you could even see this on the video. But like
even if the bag was unsealed, she had to have
like let's say you woulder Chick fil A and you
open the bag, right, You'll have exposure automatically to the
food because the French friser just in the box in
the bag, well, and you could spray it. But like
(36:54):
if you get something that's in plastic containers, she would
have had to lift up the lid for the container
well to have direct access to the food. Well, they
were getting Arby, So let's let's okay, then that's an
old or Chick fil as an example, you have a
shitty thin paper bag and then everything is exposed within
the containers. It's yeah, so that's exact. So it was Arby's.
You're saying, yeah, so they got like fries or what.
(37:18):
I don't even know. I've I've literally never been to Arby.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Didn't see what the meal was.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
But regardless, Like, okay, let's say you get like a
traditional value meal thing that you would get at a
fast food place. So you have fries and a sandwich
in the bag. Well, when you pull the fries out
of the bag, what do you do? You just like
stick your hand in and start eating. You're not like
looking at it and expecting it and stuff like. Obviously
the husband did see that something was sprayed on the
(37:43):
outside of the bag when they looked at it, but
it could have just been like grease, like well no
it yeah, like it could have just been greased exactly.
I was saying, like if I saw that, I would
have just assumed it was grease, not that somebody like
sprayed something, yeah, by the bag. But so the pepper
spray is an and it, I mean spray leaves a
specific thing. So when he was analyzing it, he was
(38:05):
probably like, this looks weird. It looks like a spray,
but like probably did think nothing of it if they
saw it at first, because why would you. So she
probably bit into fries and it started obviously like if
you bite into a chili pepper, what happens, Like your
face feels like it's on fire, it's burning all over
the place, and expect like not knowing that right, like
(38:30):
you're eating something like that, thinking you're having salty potatoes
and you and you have this like a very hot
pepper in your mouth. Of course you're freaking out. And
then so then you swallow it right, and it just
is burning your mucosa all the way down your esophagus
into your stomach and could cause you to get gastritis.
But she threw up, probably maybe because of the chemical,
(38:54):
but just because of it, just in general, because of
the anxiety, and then all of that goes up again
out of her mouth and fills her mouth up again
because they actually encourage you not to throw up if
you do take it somehow. So so yeah, she was significant.
She got significantly sick, and that could have been bad
if she had underlying asthma or heart condition or any
(39:19):
other kind of respiratory condition like that person tried to
hurt them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I don't buy this spider story at all. Also, she
was from Kentucky, so she was visiting Indiana where this happened.
Said she was visiting her dad and trying to work
through the trip. Jordash immediately deactivated the driver's account, and
now she's been arrested as a Friday and she's facing
felony charges. Good listen, if you really were trying to
kill a spider, why are you gonna use pepper'sh Brady
(39:47):
kill a spider? It doesn't even make sense. And then
like you deliver food for a living, and you don't know,
you don't spray something like that near food.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Why would you kill Why would you care about a
spider that's at somebody else's house when you're getting ready
to go in your.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Car, says she was definitely afraid of them.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Okay, so I just call so then get away from
it and not.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
It dropped the bag on the porch and turn around
and walk back to your car.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know, I want to talk about inappropriate delivery drivers
for a second, actually, because one day I got food delivered.
It was it wasn't DoorDash, it was like grocery thing, right,
and I just it said that my order was here,
said someone was on my porch for on my phone
and I looked at it and I saw so I
(40:32):
guess my delivery driver was a guy. And then he
drops off the food and goes back in the car
and like gets his girlfriend. She comes out and starts
making like social media videos of my house. Remember I
told you that, Like, ye, she's on my porch with
her phone like making videos and talking and stuff because
(40:52):
like my house is cute, right, so like people might
want to take a picture of it. Or something, and
I'm just like, what is happening right now? And my
first instinct is like I want to call whoever it
was the instacar, whoever delivered Amazon. I don't remember who
it was, and I just want to call and say, like, hey,
I have this on video for multiple minutes of this
(41:14):
girl making multiple videos of my house and I don't
really want my house on social media like that without
my consent and all this stuff and and like but
then I'm afraid that they're going to retaliate against me
if I call, because now they know where I live
if they get fired, because I feel like that's a
fireable offense in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So yeah, and that is the scary part of it,
because I mean, you had that example, and then I
want to say, a couple of months ago, I was
by myself. Of course, I ordered door Dash and then
the driver's like almost at my house and sends me
a message and is like I need money for gas.
Can you leave me cash? And I'm like, dude, what
the fuck? It's like nighttime.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That was so inappropriate exactly, It's scary, and You're like, well,
and your first instinct is like, I'm gonna call door
Dash and be like, this is absolutely inappropriate that your
driver is asking me for cash right now for gas. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Then it's like this guy, yeah, almost at my house.
So I'm like, all right, cool, he already has my address. Now,
I'm like and you know, because of the podcast and
just the way my mind immediately is like I'm getting murdered, right,
So that's automatically where I went. But like, I shouldn't
have to be scared when I'm just ordering food. I
actually just saw on like Instagram or something just in
(42:28):
the last week or two that apparently they've had issues
with DoorDash drivers sending like Dick picture or something to
the customers, right, and then people will get a notification
that'll be like your order was canceled due to inappropriate
contact by the driver. We will get somebody else to
pick up your order or something. And then I was like, well,
(42:48):
what does that message mean? So I went on read
it and started looking up and people are like, no,
I've had instances in the past where the driver sent
me Dick picts or asked me for pictures. But I'm like, okay,
so they're monitoring the chat for sexual activity, but not
when the drivers you're asking for money.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know because and obviously, like
anyone from door to ash is listening right now, they're
gonna be like put out a statement we are against that,
blah blah blah, Like yeah, we understand that. The thing
is is that nobody wants to tell on any There's
probably so much shit. I'm curious from you guys if
you would like to leave us a comment about this,
(43:24):
because there's probably so much shit that happens that people
don't report for the same exact reasons that we're talking
about right now, because we're scared to death of retaliation.
Like I mean, think about this particular case too, like this,
this girl's gonna end up going to jail for this,
I'm sure, but like she's gonna get out and she's
gonna be angry.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'd move.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, it's time to pack up your bags and get
out of there.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
I mean, I just we could talk about this for hours.
I just don't understand what the point of doing it was.
I don't understand and how you thought you weren't gonna
get caught. I mean, not only did they have a
doorbell of a doorbell footage, which is like more than
obvious on somebody's port. You can't really hide those things
that well. But then in addition to that, they immediately
(44:09):
tracked her down because you're a driver for a door
dash and they know who delivered the order. Idiot, what
were you thinking?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
And did she do it to other people?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'm sure she did.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
This is terrible. Yeah, I wonder if there's gonna be like, oh,
she tampered with other people's food and they got sick
and they just were piecing it together.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Now. Yeah, well I hope, I hope people are paying attention.
So all right, So, speaking of pepper spray, this is
this is really gross. But this and this has not
been like a story that's been reported in any news,
but I did see this video going viral.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, so this backstory is unconfirmed because it was on x,
which we know is the wild West the Internet. So
basically they're saying that this guy was causing a scene
at a bar in Saint Petersburg to the point where
they had the pepper spray and to get out. So
then there is a video attached to this post where
he is on the ground, crouched over and ankles his
(45:06):
penis up so he could pee on his face to
allegedly wash his pepper spray off. Would that even work? No?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I mean no, I mean listen, Like, like I said,
pepper spray. I've never had an actual direct contact with
pepper spray. I've been in the city a couple times
if they sprayed it blocks away and been like choking
out over it and couldn't believe that the wind was
pulling it over my way to the point where it
(45:35):
gives you that you know, that feeling when you get
that weird tickle in your throat and you have to
cough and it makes you cry.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Oh my god, that's it's.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Like that, but you can't stop it. It's just so terrible, right,
And I just can't imagine getting actually sprayed in the
face with it. So, like I said earlier, it's oil, right,
So it's just like this oil that's missing all over
your face. So your first reaction and as a human
is to grab your face and start trying to like
rub whatever. But all you're doing is like spreading the
(46:05):
oil all around, like hot pepper oil all over your face.
And then like so, really, if if you're in a
situation where you could go to a hospital or even
a house. You're supposed to flush your eyes out for
twenty minutes with either like contact solution or just water
if you have it or whatever. But there's nothing that's
really safe to put in your eyes, especially urine. I
(46:27):
wouldn't I wouldn't say to do. But when you're freaking
out like that, like that guy was freaking out on
the sidewalk bent over. Maybe he was just like fit,
I don't even care, Like I'm just gonna pee on
my face right now.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Well, don't people pee on themselves when they get like
stung by a jellyfish. Maybe he was coming from that angle,
I want to say for my experience, but you referenced earlier,
which was I was cutting long hots with my hands.
I've cut them a million times. I've never had issues.
But I cut them, and then hours later my fingertips
started burning, and I was like, oh, whatever, like I
did cut those hot peppers and whatever, right, So then
(47:03):
it was getting more intense, and then I was like,
you know what, I have to take a shower anyway.
I'm just gonna get in there right now. Maybe they'll
make it better. Oh my god, it got one thousand
times worse in the shower, to the point where I
had to tell Ricky, you need to go to Walgreens
give me milk so I could dip my hands in
them because they're burning so bad. And it looks ridiculous
because like my hands aren't red or anything, they look normal.
(47:24):
But I'm like, dude, they hurt so bad. I can't
even explain it. Like I don't even think I drive
right now. They hurt so bad. And he came back
and said, I know it was really bad because in
the like almost ten years we've been together, you have
never asked me to do anything for you, no matter
how sick you've been or anything. You've never asked me
to go pick anything up for you.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
No, it's it seriously is uncomfortable. And I use peppers
a lot. I mean, Gabe is like the king of
his peppers that he really takes pride in that he
grows in the summer here, so we have an endless
supply of this summer. He uh, the hot you know,
red pepper, crushed red peppers, he grew right like thousands
(48:06):
of them.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
I have.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I have like one of those gallon you know, a
gallon sized ziploc bag that's filled with hot pepper flakes.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well, I haven't been offered any and I could use.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
You only could have them if you eat at my house.
But I mean we're always you know, dehydrating them and
crushing them and stuff. And it's just like the stuff
it's hard to wash off. Even you think that you
washed it off, but you can't really wash it off.
It's like a weird thing.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's what I'm saying. And like when I dunked my
hands in the milk, it went away within two minutes,
but anything I did was making it so much worse.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, And I mean you can't put milk in your
eyes either. It's it's just like a tech. I don't know.
I think the guy wasn't thinking about anything. He was
probably just like I need something wet and I have
to pee, and it's here, and it's a hose and
I could direct it right towards my face. It's just
kind of it's just really gross and it could totally
be fake. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Like at this point the video is worth the wats though,
you're like, what is this guy doing? Okay, let's move
on to your questions and emails. This first one is
from Crystal in reference to the chalk. I don't know
what that means. Who had a seizure and was pronounced
dead but ended up not being dead. Where we live,
I'm in Delaware, amts and paramedics respond to a medical complaint.
(49:24):
The paramedics from the show typically they will not transport
a patient to the hospital while doing CPR. They don't
transport until there is some sort of cardiac activity. When
they have done all they can do without response to treatment,
they radio into a hospital and talk to a doctor
who actually pronounces the debt. So the paramedics don't technically
do it, but a doctor doesn't actually see the patient.
(49:46):
They pronounce about you guys. Kind of questioning parents who
let their kids raise dirt bikes. It's no different than
a parent letting their kids play football or competitive career,
or horseback riding or even soccer. It's all about finding
irresponsible organis. I grew up at a dirt bike track
watching my dad and brother ride. There was always an
ambulance or two there, and they had flaggers at each jump,
(50:08):
so if somebody they ran onto the jump and waved
the appropriate color flag. If there was a yellow flag,
you slow the hell down, and you don't hit the
jump with enough speed to get air and you could
avoid the person bike down. The tracks were maintained constantly
and well groomed, but it is obviously a huge risk.
I've met people who got injured and paralyzed waist down
and they still raced. Some of us are just more unhinged,
(50:30):
and we wouldn't change it. And like y'all said, it
typically does get passed from parent to kid. Maybe it's irresponsible,
but so as letting your kid jump on a trampoline
or going swimming or playing baseball. Anything fun comes with
a risk.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Okay, I don't know, Like I do understand what you're saying,
because you can get hurt doing the dumbest stuff. But
like I personally feel if there's an activity that there
has to be an ambulance present because it's that bad.
Like maybe I don't know, it just makes me and
I don't listen. Like if it's adults, like I don't
(51:04):
give a shit. It's just like with kids, because kids
obviously want to do things that are fun, but I
feel like the adults should be like, maybe you shouldn't
do that because you could get They don't really understand
that they could almost die or if they get paralyzed,
Like that's a terrible thing to kind of induce on
a person too, to be paralyzed for the rest of
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their life just from like doing something like that. I
don't know, but thank you for that sharing that about
the paramedic situation. And I'm sure that that varies from
state to state and even within states as well as
far as what their procedure is. But I remember we
were talking about a case last week. Remember we were saying, like,
(51:46):
we don't know what happens if a person is is dead,
like if the paramedics are allowed to pronounce them or not.
So I see how they're getting around it by having
they'll call a physician and say, you know, we this person,
this is their vitals or lack thereof, and then they say, okay,
you could you checked all the boxes and we could
(52:07):
pronounce them dead. It was the person that was the
bomb who was found the mom who was found alive
in the Morghia.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
All right. This next one's from anonymous. Hi, Nicole and Maria.
I'm a huge fan and longtime member of the Grosser Room.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I wanted to comment on Nicole's traumatic experience of going
into help syndrome. Nicole, I'm so incredibly sorry for what
you went through. I know I speak for all of
us when I say we're glad you're still with us,
because you were so fucking lucky. Your story unfortunately reminded
me of a nurse I worked with that passed away
from help. I'm a former Llend nurse and was working
the day she was in labor, but thankfully wasn't there
when everything happened. My coworkers failed to recognize it, even
(52:47):
though her husband, an orthopedic surgeon, did the OBI and
nurses taking care of her were friends with the couple.
They basically cut corners and treated her differently since she
was considered a local vip aka, one of us. I'm
still a nurse at that hospital, so it really bothers
me when I see people deviating from the norm just
because of who the patient is. This is where things
(53:08):
like this happen. I'm not sure what the status of
the lawsuit is, but the obie still works at the
hospital and is notorious for talking about his patients behind
their backs. He wasn't disciplined by the medical board, so
I guess all's well for him. Asshole Anyway, love the show.
Thank you for everything you guys do. You make the
drives to and from work so damn enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Maria.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
I hope I didn't scare you best in life with
the pregnancy. I'm scared by everything, so it's fine.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, and you you just so happened to have a
job where you just have to hear all about the
horrible stuff. But yeah, thanks for sharing that, and thank
you for saying that you're sorry I went through that,
because that's more of an apology than I got from
the actual hospital that almost killed me. But yeah, I
mean I hate hearing this. And like you said, like
the whole VIP thing is a real thing, and we've
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I always talk about that when it has you know,
so they would it would happen in the hospital, Like
sometimes one of the pathologists would come up to us
and be like, we have a VIP specimen coming down today,
so make sure you do this and do that, And
it's just like, no, why don't we just treat it
like we do every other one, because there's gonna be
less of a chance of us screwing up, because when
you start messing with the procedure of how you're supposed
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to do things. That's when mistakes could get made. Oh, totally,
and it's and it's terrible that that was the case
for that one woman who her her husband was a
doctor and even recognized it. But unfortunately, once things start happening,
sometimes it's hard to get them to stop happening and
a person can die from it.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Totally. All right, last nse for Michelle, Hei, Nikole and Maria.
I love your show. I stumbled upon it because I
listened to Z one hundred and I'm so glad I did.
Everything you talk about is so interesting. And congrats on
the pregnancy, Maria, so happy for you. Thank you. Anyway.
On the somber second, there was an incident with a
man who lived down the street from my house. A
Marshall went to his house to a victim and his
wife who were behind on their mortgage for quite a
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few years. He ended up pushing his wife out the
door and having a stand off with police for a
good part of the day. Our street was blocked off
and they wouldn't let anyone down it. Unfortunately, after shots
back and forth with police, he took his own life.
The house was booby trapped and a dead body was
found in the house. The body was handcuffed and I
think wrapped in plastic. My question is, and sorry for
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such a long intro, The report is that the body
was mummified. If this is the case, how long would
the body have had to be there? What kind of
conditions caused the body to mummify instead of decay. I
have heard the body was there since October, but do
you think that's accurate. Thanks so much for all the
podcast episodes. Love listening to the stories and the family
Dynamic and your family stories.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Ah thanks thanks so Normally, when a person decomposes, bacteria
that is inside of the GI track starts to multiply
and that is what helps break down the body or
decompose the body. Further that with having access to insects
like flies landing on the body, which then lay eggs
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which then have Maggot's form and start to eat the
tissue and break down the tissue. All of that needs
to be in an environment that is moist and has
moisture because the bacteria needs that to grow. They needed
to multiply, they needed to be moist, So if they're
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in any kind of environment, where it is dry and
the body is able to dry out as well as
being sealed off, meaning they're in a room that there's
no way that critters can get in to start trying
to break down the body. That's when you have the
highest chance of mummification. So it could increase more like
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if it was an elderly person, like one of those
really skinny old people that barely has any fat on
their body. The less fat, the more likely it is
to happen. If they're wearing tight clothes, that could also
cause it to happen. So I mean when we talk
about mummies, like most people think about Egyptian mummies, right,
and they tried to make the process happen naturally, but
(57:16):
like what unnaturally, I guess you would say they tried
to speed it up instead of having it happen naturally
just by laying out or something. But it could happen
naturally too to people. So sometimes in some cases that
we've covered in the gross room, where people are intentionally
trying to mummify people, which happens often. There was that
(57:37):
one case with that weird rushing guy that was turning
children into mummies and like sticking them inside of dolls.
That was an insane case. There's other cases of people
trying to preserve their loved ones because they're still trying
to collect their pension checks and stuff like that. And
then there was that one case of was Earning Amy
(58:01):
Caral Sinners.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah the Love has one cult leader.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, so she was also mummified. So sometimes people that
are intentionally trying to mummify people, like the Egyptians did too,
they'll put something on to try to dry out the
body even more, like salt or something like that. We
had a case in the grocrom actually of a guy
who was collecting money from his dead family member and
(58:26):
was putting table salt on her body to dry her out.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Well, then we have the episode with Paul too, where
some cultures just do that.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, yeah, in a non.
Speaker 1 (58:34):
Nefarious way, So definitely check out.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah. So and like listen, that's possible in your case
that that happened as well, But just in certain situations,
it could just happen without really even having to try,
and it could happen quickly depending it just depends on
what the environment was that the that the body was in.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Well, thank you for sharing that story. I mean that's
super scary that that happens close to your house. Of course,
all the details were super weird, so and you're like, cool,
these weirdos. I've been living down the street from me
this whole time. That's great.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, everyone has those in their neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Though.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
You drive by their house and you're like, yeah, there's
definitely a dead body in there.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. This has probably been
the most packed week of the year for news stories,
at least for our content anyway. So we had an
emergency breaking news episode yesterday. I hope you guys check
that out because of all of the stories over the weekend,
and today we're going to talk about the latest update
(00:41):
with what's going on with the murder of Rob Reiner
and his wife. We have an update on a story
we talked about last week involving a pregnant mother that
went missing and her body was found without the baby.
A news story coming out of New York City involving
tourists who are getting violently at There's actually two different stories,
(01:02):
a man who purade his wife, Yes you heard me right,
he purade his wife, and two really bizarre stories involving
pepper spray. We'll finish off the episode with your emails,
all that and Moral Titty's episode, what's the latest with
Rob Reiner?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
All right, So, just as a reminder, if somebody didn't
get a chance to listen to our emergency episode yesterday,
Famed Hollywood director Rob Reiner and his wife were found
dead in their La home. So basically what we know
now is that Nick Reiner, who is their son and
who was arrested for this crime. Now, so he had
checked into this hotel in Santa Monica at four am
(01:39):
on Sunday, and then they said at the time that
he checked in that he seemed like he was quote
tweaked out, but he didn't have any obvious signs of
being in a struggle. He didn't have blood on him
or anything. So later that day he didn't officially check
out or anything. He just left the hotel. But when
they went in the room, the room was totally covered
in blood. So like, where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
I don't know, maybe he had his hands wrapped up
or something. I mean, a knife attack like that could
just get really bad, because I'm sure the mom or
the dad tried to grab the knife out of his
hand and tried to get him to stop. And I
mean that there could have even been a period where
one of the victims got a hold of the knife
(02:22):
and cut him and then he was able to get
it back. I mean, there's just so many different circumstances
that could happen. So when he goes to the hospital,
obviously they'll give him an exam. I'm assuming is he
in a jail or is he in some kind of
a mental institution right now, some kind of a hospital
(02:42):
for his issues.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, it seems right now that he's just being held
in jail. And we had reported yesterday that his bail
was originally set at four million dollars. Now they're saying
there's no bail.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, which is good because he seems like he's this
isn't like he's not a threat to anyone else. He
is and I and his family, especially his siblings, should
be terrified of him. Really. I mean, I can't even imagine,
and I mean it sucks. I know, the guys had
mental health things going on in his life, and he's
(03:14):
had a drug problem, but like there's still everyone else
around that has to live and deal with the repercausions
of his actions.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Totally, and you know, like I don't know, maybe they
listen to mother Knows Death or something and realized they
made a mistake with setting the bill when this family
hasm be it not worth of about two hundred million
plus dollars. So I don't know, I mean, I think
it's smart, not setting him up with anything and not
letting him, not giving him the ability to get out basically,
(03:45):
So what's also kind of scary is that, So we
have to assume based on him being missing and checking
into this hotel and blood being all over the room. Well,
I guess we can't assume that the murders happened at
four I am, But we just don't know right now.
So what we did know yesterday was that Saturday night,
there was this altercation between the three of them at
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Conan O'Brien's holiday party, which caused the Rhiners to leave,
except I don't think the sun left with them. So
then in my mind, if that happened at night and
then he's checking into this hotel at four am, did
the murders happen in between then or did he go
back and then that's where all the blood came into play,
because they say at the time he was checking in,
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he didn't have any signs of a struggle, right, So
maybe he did check in before went back to the
house and then went back to the hotel to clean up.
I don't know, But he wasn't arrested told that night,
so he was gone for a pretty significant amount of
time even after they were found.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, that which is scary. I mean, all these stories
are just like, I can't believe these people are just
walking amongst us right now. It's just freaks you out,
you know. So I guess that's it. And you said
that he has a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Now?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Is that? So?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
What I saw being reported literally minutes before where we
hit record was that Karen Reid's lawyer, Alan Jackson, is
set to represent him. So I'm very interested to see
how that pans out.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh God, well, yeah, I mean, we'll say. I mean, listen,
I've been hearing a lot of stories on a lot
of different shows about this kid's mental health issues and
his drug addictions that started at a very young age.
And it's just really sad because these I mean, unlike
a lot of other Hollywood families that you hear about,
(05:30):
these people seem to be pretty close. They're still married,
they have the kids, you know, everything seemed to be
like a fairly i mean as normal as you could
be family living in that kind of a situation where
you're just a Hollywood elite person. But they seem to
really have tried and tried hard to get that kid
(05:51):
straightened out and he just never could. And I'm sure
it's I mean he how old is he now, thirty something,
early thirties, thirty two? Yeah, So, I mean they've been
dealing with this now with him for a while, and
it's probably almost a sense of release at least to
the to the siblings that he's in jail and he
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can't hurt anybody else right now. But I just can't
imagine having to mourn the death of your parents like that,
and especially the daughter that found him seemed to have
been very close with him. I mean, they were just
on vacation, like last week together. So it's it's just
like it's really just traumatic to have to go through.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well that and it's like the holidays right now, so
that's extra hard to go through without your family. And
both your parents died.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And they were I think that they were celebrating Honikah
or getting ready to if it was in the beginning
of Honkkah. So you know, now every single year when
Honkkah comes up, it's like, this is what this poor
girl is going to have to think about, you know,
And it's just it's just so messed up, and I
really wonder, you know, what actually happened, and I'm sure
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that'll come out. He's probably gonna try to get out
on some kind of I don't even know. I don't
I don't like the fact that you hear about a
fancy defense attorney coming to represent him, because god knows
what they're going to try to say, was he abused
this and that, you know what I mean, Like, just
it might get ugly and and and like I don't
(07:30):
know that it needs to that needs to happen, but
we'll say and we'll cover it as it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, Like I think Alan Jackson did a really great
job in Karen Reid's case, because you know, that was
really a case of such an inboch, such a botched
investigation that you couldn't tell either way. So she did
need really good representation. So like, I just hope if
it goes down this path and they go to trial,
it's not like taking down this guy. I mean, we
don't know what happened behind closed doors obviously, but apparently
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defense attorneys are just allowed to say whatever they're going
to say without any getting in trouble at all.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
All Right, So an update on this, This poor pregnant
woman who went missing, full almost full term pregnant woman
went missing. And now so I think when we talked
about it last week, we didn't know really many more details.
And of course, as per usual, second we're done recording,
some breaking information comes out. So so as of last
(08:30):
week we had told this story about her. You know,
she was almost full term, went missing, no one knew
where she was, and then her dead body was found
in a wooded area and she was there. They said
that she was not pregnant and that the baby was missing.
So according to the autopsy report, they could really determine
(08:52):
if she was if she was still pregnant, if she
had a natural miscarriage, if somebody took it out of her,
which is what ended up happening.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, so basically what we know right now. So this
victim's name was Rebecca Park. She was twenty two years
old when she was found, So, like you were saying,
she was found or she went missing when she was
thirty eight weeks pregnant. So they find her a couple
weeks after she goes missing. The babies know where to
be found. And at the time we were originally reporting it,
we knew that some family members had been arrested, but
we didn't really know any information. Now all this crazy
(09:24):
shit's coming out that apparently her stepfather was the father
of this baby, even though he's denying it, but that's
what her mother is saying. Then her mother admitted to
cutting the baby out with a scalpel and then out
of her body with a scalpel, and then saying that
the baby wasn't breathing and she was planning on bringing
the baby to her boyfriend at the time, who was
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thought to be the father. I mean, this is such
a family miss. And then they said because the baby
wasn't breathing, they put the baby in a cooler and
then disposed of the baby in a dumpster. Is that
what actually happened?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I don't know. These people are just total trash. I
mean you could see looking at the picture of some
of them, they look like the typical faces of meth people.
Some of them like it's just there's like something going
on there. And her so, her fiance, who thought that
he was the baby's father, is twenty years older than her, right, Yeah,
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which is just I mean, not that that's doesn't happen,
but it's unusual. She was twenty two and he was
forty two or whatever, and he got arrested as well
on separate drug charges. Just like like there's just total
trash going on there as it is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah, he gets arrested on separate drug chargers, and her
sister also got arrested, but for lying to police. But
the mom and the stepdad have been arrested.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
For the murder now, and so like what I know
that she said she was cutting the baby out of
her daughter to give to her daughter's fiance. It just
like why, I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, But then she also was like, well, I know
my husband's the baby's dead, so why would you be
cutting out the baby to give to the fiance. Nothing
about it makes any sense.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, I mean, and it's what's really really upsetting about
this case is that the prosecution is putting charges against
these two because they say that the baby was cut
out of her while she was still alive, and and
like what that poor girl went through before she died,
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I just can't even I mean, just like, think about
someone giving you surgery while you're alive anyway, if you're
just a normal victim of violence that's getting stabbed and
someone's tried to cut your organs out while you're still alive.
How traumatic that would be. But then knowing that this
crazed person is taking the baby out of your body
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that you're about to give birth to, it's just like
so terrifying, right before you know you die. It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So I guess the question of the paternity because the
stepfather is denying that he's detected easily. Well, that's what
I was going to ask you, Like, if her placenta
was left behind, can't isn't Is the father's DNA left
in that? Or I don't know how that works?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So like, well, yeah, I mean that's a good question
because because the baby, so they don't know where the
baby is as of right now. I guess they're not
really saying where it is. But according to the court affidavits,
the mother said that she put the baby in a
cooler and threw it in a dumpster, So we might
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not ever get the remains of the baby back, which
is which is really unusual. Right. Yeah, to answer your question,
the placenta does have the father's DNA in it, if
they are able to find that, although they haven't mentioned
that in the documents, so I have no idea exactly
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what they did. I mean, like, did this woman actually
think that she was going to do a C section
on somebody and keep the baby alive at the same time. Like,
people are just totally clueless as to how life works, right,
So if she did, if she did take out the
baby and just crudely cut the baby out and left
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her daughter's body there, then there is a potential that
the placenta was still left behind inside of the mom's uterus.
I mean, like, I just I don't really know what
was seen at autopsy. We don't have the autopsy report,
but they were saying that at least they know that
she was not pregnant at the time her body was found,
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because obviously, if the mom's admitting to using a scalpability
to cut the body open, they would see that incision
open still when her dead body was found, And unfortunately,
that means that they saw a lot of hemorrhage around
on that particular wound, which would indicate that she was
still alive and her heart was still beating when when
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that happened.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I just, I don't know if this is dumb to say,
but like I'm a little mind blown that they were
even able to cut this baby out successfully because they
all seem like idiots.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
They are, but I mean they didn't do it successfully.
I mean, if you, if you have any any person
could do it. You're just like cutting into something. They
cut skin, but you're eventually gonna hit the baby. But
god knows what they did. I mean, get just getting in.
You know, getting a c section is a major surgery,
cutting through multiple layers of abdominal skin, abdominal wall, muscle,
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soft tissue, and then you have to go to the
uterus and cut through that and try not to cut
the baby in the process, which is a whole other
thing that could have happened, you know, Like she's clearly
not a trained professional at all, even a little bit
so not so prized that the baby didn't survive. But
I mean it's not anybody could do it. It's I mean,
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it would have been more you would have been a
little bit more surprised if she delivered it and the
baby survived.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, I just I'm having a hard time even understanding
what the mom wanted to do with the kid.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And I still don't one hundred percent believe that because
these people are such scumbags, Like maybe maybe that was
part of the excuse that she's saying, but she also
could have successfully taken the baby out and sold it
to somebody for a lot of money. Like we don't
know what happened yet, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
That's totally a possibility too. It's not like they're like
peak Society members.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
No, they're quite the opposite of that. So yeah, so, uh,
now getting into another story. So believe it or not,
we actually covered this story over a year ago, but
it's been in the news a lot lately and there's
a little bit more details I don't remember the first time,
So let's talk about this one.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Kind of eerily similar details to this last story. So
just as a quick reminder, we had covered this case
back in September of twenty twenty four. But these grandparents
got to call that their grandkid's daycare from the grandkid's
daycare that they weren't picked up and they were usually
picked up by their mom, who was these people's daughter,
So they end up picking the kids up. The husband's
playing thumb says he doesn't know where the wife is,
(16:22):
but later that day they end up finding the wife's
decapitated head in their laundry room.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, so the dad was just looking around. I mean,
I can't even imagine this. Her dad's in their house,
looking around their house and sees blonde hair peeking out
of a trash bag or a laundry bin in the
laundry room and peeks in there and finds his daughter's
dismembered body in this bag after seeing her blonde hair
(16:50):
sticking out.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, so, I guess I'm a little confused. Is because
at the time we reported this, originally we knew the
husband did it, and we knew details such as he's
dismembered her and ended up pureeing parts of her body.
But more information's coming out that I guess he cut
her womb out, which was the only organ removed from
her body. And then they're also saying that he's just
(17:14):
now been charged with the murder. So, like, why did
it take so long? This happened in February of twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'm not sure exactly. I mean, this is so One
interesting thing is that this is in another country, so
their medical legal death investigation is just done differently. And
one thing that I noticed is they give this person
in the article like an alious name because of privacy laws,
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which is absolutely crazy that people are allowed to remain
private when they do a crime like this.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
There's been a lot of privacy lately, especially with predator types,
and I'm just sorry, but like, if you commit a
crime like this, you don't get privacy anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, I mean, I agree, and I really don't understand
how it went down. But so her her manner of
death was listed as homicide obviously, but her cause of
death was strangulation, so they were able to see that
she was strangled to death, which we've been talking about
a lot on this episode, especially after interviewing Jim Schmidt,
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who is one of Gabby Patito's dads, about just like
what a certain kind of person does that. It's just
it's just like really interesting when you hear that that
would that strangles people, right, So that was her cause
of death in that case. And then I don't know
what happened and what level of like psycho this guy is,
(18:43):
but apparently he was chopping up her body and they
were able to time it to see that he was
watching YouTube videos as he was doing it. It doesn't
say what he was watching on YouTube, though obviously he
wasn't watching videos on how to cut up a body,
but like, what the hell was he watching when he
was doing that?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, I am curious, of course, because you can't just
learn information like that and not get any more details,
like was he watching cartoons?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Was he watching a cooking show of someone actually cutting
up meat and stuff? Which is really bizarre.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, it's terrible. But basically, they were also saying that
they could prove that he, you know, had to break
all her joints in this it's so disturbing to think
about the details of this. He had to break all
of her joints in this specific way to get her
body parts dismembered. And then they said that investigators found
the blender and her remains, including flaps of skin with
muscles still attached, as well of chunks of bone. And
(19:39):
let's not forget the wildest part of this case, which
is he claims he killed her in self defense.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, exactly, like what which is funny because so he
says he says that she attacked him with a knife,
which listen, like, that's possible, people attack people with a knife.
That's fine, even though there was no there was no
evidence that he was trying to defend himself during that
(20:04):
time or that she was you know there there just
seems to be no evidence of that. But like, let's
say even she did, right, you get her off of her,
You get her off of you by strangling her. Okay, fine,
she's dead. What about all the other weird shit that
happened afterwards. That's that's where you're gonna lose the jury. Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like, this is what I was trying to say about
Brian Walsh yesterday on the Emergency episode. He's trying to say,
in that case, oh, she died naturally, and I freaked out,
so I just dismembered her body, like dump bank a body,
a whole body is one thing. But going to the
great lengths to cut somebody up and then in this
case pureding them and cutting out a very specific organ
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is like, what.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is going on in your life? Why'd you cut out
her uterus? It's very weird. And maybe it's like maybe
she cheated, maybe he found out that the kids aren't his.
There's just so many things. I just don't know really
why he thought he was gonna get away with it,
especially you have a clearly at least the wife's mother
and father are in the picture. To the point where
(21:09):
the school calls them to come pick them up. Right,
you have like a lot of people that are in
and out of your house and stuff, Like people are
gonna notice that she's missing and want to know where
she is. Like, I don't understand how you think you're
getting away with this.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, and like if you did want to get away
with it, you couldn't have done the bare minimum and
picked the kids up from school. Like that was the
ultimate red flag which set off the rest of this case.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
You know, Yeah, what.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
An absolute idiot. I'm just curious, Like, I guess what
was this in Switzerland where it happened because she was
a finalist in the Miss Switzerland competitions, yeah, or pageant,
So like I don't know how their legal system works
over there, but I don't understand how this occurs in
February of twenty twenty four, to the point where in
September of twenty twenty four we know all of this
information to report it and he's not then getting charged
(21:59):
with it until over a year after that. It's been
almost two full years since this crime occurred.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, I don't know, and like it's just criyy. Yeah,
it's it's so disturbing to think that anybody. I mean,
like there's lots of cases in the gross room that
we have like really weird shit that people do after
someone dies, like trying to cut off their arms and
legs and like stick them down the toilet it like
to flush it or something. I don't even know what
(22:27):
they're thinking. It's just so outrageous that people's minds go there.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And you could say, like, let's say that even his
story's too true, because clearly when someone's killed in this way,
it's not like they have a completely normal relationship and
then all of a sudden this happens. Like they probably
had a super tumultuous relationship. You know people like that,
You've been friends with people like that, you know people
(22:54):
that are like constantly in these high level energy fights.
Cops are involved this and that all the time. Let's
say she did attack him with a knife and he
strangled her. It is possible that he panicked and was like,
oh my god, I'm going to get They're going to
think I did this on purpose, and that's why he
was trying to get rid of her body. Like the
lengths people will go to to try to cover something up.
(23:17):
But I mean, also, we don't know anything about the relationship,
but I'm sure that's not what happened.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
No, all right, So this terrible story broke last week
that a woman was changing her baby's diaper in the
bathroom at Macy's in New York City and out of nowhere,
this homeless woman barged in and started stabbing her.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Just so outrageous. Right, she's from California, she's here visiting
because New York is beautiful at Christmas time. You're in
Macy's of all places, just trying to change your kid.
This woman, so, she was in a psychiatric hospital for
a year and was released that morning and went this,
(23:58):
I just can't believe this. Actually, she heard voices in
her head telling her that she had to kill someone,
went to that Macy's, bought a knife and use that
knife to try to kill this woman. Like, how was
how did someone determine the morning that she was released
that she was okay to be released? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
And then there's other information coming out that she was
in and out of psychiatric facilities and that she thought
she'd be better off in prison, So like, is she
using that as an excuse as to just being rerouted
into a different type of facility.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, I don't nobody's checking to make sure that she's
accounted for at all times.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I don't know, Like as a preg myself, this made
me really upset. I think you're very vulnerable when you
have a baby. I was just thinking, you know, I
don't even think on this podcast, but in the news
sometimes she'll just hear like a lady went to Target
and she's just putting her baby back in the car
and then gets attacked, right, And it just makes me
so upset to think about, like you're just doing something
(24:54):
so innocent, and especially in this case, these people are
like on vacation going to this that's notable. I mean,
it's featured in the Macy's Day Parade. It's this huge
split space. You're just trying to enjoy your day and
then this crazy person that should not be amongst society
comes in and attacks you out of nowhere for no reason.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's interesting actually because there's another case too this week
of a tourist being a victim, and obviously there's a
lot of tourists in New York City and I feel
like we just went on Friday to have dinner with
our friends, right, But we'ren't from New York, so I
just don't. I don't walk around like very vigilant all
(25:37):
the time, looking around, thinking that someone's going to attack me,
even though you hear about those stories all the time,
even in I mean, both of the stories that we
have today are happening and what are considered to be
really populated tourist areas, right, so where a normal person
visiting would be like, oh, this is the safest because
(25:58):
this is where everybody goes all the time. And like
you're that lady's from California, Like when you're from any
other part of the world or at least country anyway,
you're not really going there like thinking that anybody that's
standing next to you is going to just randomly try
to kill you, because that doesn't happen in the world
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as frequently as it does there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
No, I mean just a couple of weeks. I mean,
I guess a month ago, DEDI and I were in
New York and we're just walking around. We're like, oh,
let's go in sex, Let's go in all these stores
we don't have, you know, just running around, so like
to think you're just like going around minding your own business,
and then somebody comes out of nowhere when you're like, oh,
I'm off today, I'm gonna have a nice day and
like just wander around and do something nice.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's just really upsetting and it makes me really upset,
like people attacking people with babies that are so vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So the baby fell on the ground, Oh my gosh,
and they said the baby was okay. So I don't
know how old the baby was or if it was
like a like a two year old baby or was
it a two month old baby. I don't know. But
she also was stabbed obviously, so had to have treatment
and and now like her and her husband and this
baby now are having to stay in New York so
(27:10):
she could get treatment in the hospital. It's just like
I don't I just don't even know what to say
and whatever, Like, how does somebody get released that's in
this kind of condition. Well, yeah, they'll have to answer
for this obviously, because.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
She clearly was not in the shape to be released.
And I mean, did you see what was going on
in her past. She was arrested in twenty eighteen for
posting on Facebook she wanted to kill Senator Elizabeth Warren,
and then after that she was determined to be incapacitated
in court, ordered to take schizophrenia medication, and then she
was just in and out of psychiatric facilities since then basically,
(27:51):
so I don't understand what this passed and then mixed
with her actions immediately upon release, who determined she was
okay to get out.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, And I don't know how they because sometimes they
release people into the custody of family and saying like,
you have to make sure this person takes their medicine
because when they take their medicine, they're not a threat, right,
But I mean, just try to force somebody that doesn't
want to do something like that to do it. It's
just it's just it's hard to do. And I don't
(28:20):
know what the solution is, but it seems like a
lot of these people that are just kind of roam
in the streets are are not getting or not taking
their medicine. And when you're in that mindset of not
being treated and not feeling well and don't take your medicine,
you don't even realize that you would be better off
if you took it, you know what I mean, Like
(28:40):
you're just not in the right mindset. So some responsible
adult needs to be in charge of those people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
So then, in a totally separate incident in Times Square,
these two tourists were waiting for a bus and this
guy came up to them attack them. He slapped this
one woman so hard in the face that she fell
to the ground, and then he ended up trying to
stab this guy, but luckily his winter coat was so
thick that it prevented him from getting a serious injury.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, I mean. And there was a story going viral
a couple weeks ago about an NYU student who was
just walking up the street and another person like it
was serious history of mental illness in and out slapped
her on the ass, like really really hard and she
was just walking up the street and totally got knocked
(29:30):
over by it, right, And she went on TikTok and
went viral with this video, and then her friend ended
up going to a store and got it on surveillance,
and in a crazy turn of events, they actually caught
the guy and were able to figure out who did
this and stuff which doesn't happen a lot of times,
like these crimes happen. And then they just wander off
(29:51):
into the night and nobody knows who it was or anything.
But when you watch the video of that too, you
you're just thinking, like it was broad daylight in front
of all these people just doing stuff like that. Like
imagine just walking up the street in Times Square when
we're walking around looking for our roasted coconut and someone
just coming up to you and slapping you across the
face so hard that you fall to the ground.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I mean, I can't imagine. But like, I also think
that in general, with people like this walking around, people
need to be extra vigilant and really be paying attention
to their surroundings.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, I mean, and the story that I was talking about,
I believe she was an NYU student, Like she was
wearing earphones and like, I mean, she lived on campus,
so she did it all the time. And it's really
unfortunate to tell people that they can't walk around with
earphones on because like someone's going to attack them, because
that's absolutely ridiculous. But I don't think in her particular
(30:46):
case it matter, because when you look at the video,
it's like the guy just kind of runs up and
does it, Like even she wouldn't have heard it. Happening,
you know, until it actually happened.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So well, there was a trend. I hate to say
trend because so messed up, but there was a trend
or something going on I think last summer, not this
past summer, like summer of twenty twenty four, where influencers
would just be like filming themselves walk in the streets
talking and people would just punch them in the face.
It was happening to a ton of people. Yeah, I
just it just makes me like so nervous. And I
(31:18):
don't know it.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I mean, like, has this always been happening? Is it
increasing just because of social media and because we just
hear about it more. I don't know. It's just like
it just seems like there's If you think about it, though,
it's like all of the millions of people that are
in New York every single day that are visiting and
this and that there's there's never anything that happens, I
mean comparative to how many people visit versus how many
(31:42):
incidents happen. But it's still scary to think about because
it could happen to you.
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In Indiana, this couple ordered food through door Dash and
after the wife began eating her meal. She started choking
and gasping for air. So they checked their doorbell footage
and saw that the driver sprayed pepper spray all over
their food.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It's so crazy, like the husband, I mean, this is
what you could just totally picture this going down because
the husband looks at the bag and decided that the
bag was tampered with. And you know, I mean, we
get DoorDash all the time, and I love when restaurants
put a sticker over top of the bag to seal
the bag, showing that you know they sealed it, because
(33:47):
there's been times where, I mean a lot of times
I get the bag and it smells like weed or cigarettes,
which is just kind of gross to me.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Cigarette is the grossest it is.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The cigarettes are disgusting, but we too, like I don't
really want to smell that in my food, and it
like absorbs in those paper bags. But there's been times
where I've ordered things like French fries or something like
that and the door dash driver, I mean this is
years ago, would go just decide to like eat half
of your thing of fries while it was in the car,
because I mean they're driving, they're not eating, they're smelling
(34:19):
good food. It's just tempting whatever, right, So the restaurants
started to seal up the bags, which I love. So
this guy checked the bag and noticed that the bag
was tampered with and also saw that there was there
was something that appeared to be sprayed on the outside
of it. So he just was trying to investigate to
be like what happened here, like let me see who
(34:40):
dropped this off, and probably was absolutely shocked when he
came across this footage on his doorbell camera.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I just want to say side note, the best restaurant
ever with sealing it is Honey Grow because they sealed
the container with a very strong sticker that you would
know if it got ripped up, and the same with
the bag. I do appreciate that a lot. I will say, like,
if this girl was gonna do this, is she a
fucking idiot doing it in front of the camera, Like
(35:08):
if your intent was to poison somebody, why wouldn't you
do it elsewhere? It just seems so stupid to do
it in general, and why would you do it in general?
She's trying to say she was trying to spray a
spider and she's deadly afraid of spiders. And they're like, yeah, no,
it was thirty five degrees out and there's not spiders
right now.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, And I really, I really don't understand what she
was trying to do. Is there a possibility that she
knew the people? Because then maybe I like, is this
just like a random sick act that she and then
you have to think, okay, well how long? Like this
is what investigators need to be figuring out right now?
How long has she been working for door Dash Cause
(35:50):
I'm not sure, Like if I started coughing like that
and stuff, obviously I would call. I would think it
was the restaurant, probably from you know, going near the
food and like what if you don't have a doorbell
camera for example? Like have other people gotten sick? How
long she'd been working there? Are there are accounts of
(36:11):
other people complaining about this, because I mean, she could
have really really hurt these people, especially if they had
it underlying medical conditions and stuff. I mean, if you
ever been exposed to pepper spray, it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible.
It's capsaicin from a chili pepper, like in a high
(36:34):
concentrated oil that's sprayed right, And I don't know if
you could even see this on the video. But like
even if the bag was unsealed, she had to have
like let's say you woulder Chick fil A and you
open the bag, right, You'll have exposure automatically to the
food because the French friser just in the box in
the bag, well, and you could spray it. But like
(36:54):
if you get something that's in plastic containers, she would
have had to lift up the lid for the container
well to have direct access to the food. Well, they
were getting Arby, So let's let's okay, then that's an
old or Chick fil as an example, you have a
shitty thin paper bag and then everything is exposed within
the containers. It's yeah, so that's exact. So it was Arby's.
You're saying, yeah, so they got like fries or what.
(37:18):
I don't even know. I've I've literally never been to Arby.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Didn't see what the meal was.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
But regardless, Like, okay, let's say you get like a
traditional value meal thing that you would get at a
fast food place. So you have fries and a sandwich
in the bag. Well, when you pull the fries out
of the bag, what do you do? You just like
stick your hand in and start eating. You're not like
looking at it and expecting it and stuff like. Obviously
the husband did see that something was sprayed on the
(37:43):
outside of the bag when they looked at it, but
it could have just been like grease, like well no
it yeah, like it could have just been greased exactly.
I was saying, like if I saw that, I would
have just assumed it was grease, not that somebody like
sprayed something, yeah, by the bag. But so the pepper
spray is an and it, I mean spray leaves a
specific thing. So when he was analyzing it, he was
(38:05):
probably like, this looks weird. It looks like a spray,
but like probably did think nothing of it if they
saw it at first, because why would you. So she
probably bit into fries and it started obviously like if
you bite into a chili pepper, what happens, Like your
face feels like it's on fire, it's burning all over
the place, and expect like not knowing that right, like
(38:30):
you're eating something like that, thinking you're having salty potatoes
and you and you have this like a very hot
pepper in your mouth. Of course you're freaking out. And
then so then you swallow it right, and it just
is burning your mucosa all the way down your esophagus
into your stomach and could cause you to get gastritis.
But she threw up, probably maybe because of the chemical,
(38:54):
but just because of it, just in general, because of
the anxiety, and then all of that goes up again
out of her mouth and fills her mouth up again
because they actually encourage you not to throw up if
you do take it somehow. So so yeah, she was significant.
She got significantly sick, and that could have been bad
if she had underlying asthma or heart condition or any
(39:19):
other kind of respiratory condition like that person tried to
hurt them. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I don't buy this spider story at all. Also, she
was from Kentucky, so she was visiting Indiana where this happened.
Said she was visiting her dad and trying to work
through the trip. Jordash immediately deactivated the driver's account, and
now she's been arrested as a Friday and she's facing
felony charges. Good listen, if you really were trying to
kill a spider, why are you gonna use pepper'sh Brady
(39:47):
kill a spider? It doesn't even make sense. And then
like you deliver food for a living, and you don't know,
you don't spray something like that near food.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Why would you kill Why would you care about a
spider that's at somebody else's house when you're getting ready
to go in your.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Car, says she was definitely afraid of them.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Okay, so I just call so then get away from
it and not.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
It dropped the bag on the porch and turn around
and walk back to your car.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know, I want to talk about inappropriate delivery drivers
for a second, actually, because one day I got food delivered.
It was it wasn't DoorDash, it was like grocery thing, right,
and I just it said that my order was here,
said someone was on my porch for on my phone
and I looked at it and I saw so I
(40:32):
guess my delivery driver was a guy. And then he
drops off the food and goes back in the car
and like gets his girlfriend. She comes out and starts
making like social media videos of my house. Remember I
told you that, Like, ye, she's on my porch with
her phone like making videos and talking and stuff because
(40:52):
like my house is cute, right, so like people might
want to take a picture of it. Or something, and
I'm just like, what is happening right now? And my
first instinct is like I want to call whoever it
was the instacar, whoever delivered Amazon. I don't remember who
it was, and I just want to call and say, like, hey,
I have this on video for multiple minutes of this
(41:14):
girl making multiple videos of my house and I don't
really want my house on social media like that without
my consent and all this stuff and and like but
then I'm afraid that they're going to retaliate against me
if I call, because now they know where I live
if they get fired, because I feel like that's a
fireable offense in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
So yeah, and that is the scary part of it,
because I mean, you had that example, and then I
want to say, a couple of months ago, I was
by myself. Of course, I ordered door Dash and then
the driver's like almost at my house and sends me
a message and is like I need money for gas.
Can you leave me cash? And I'm like, dude, what
the fuck? It's like nighttime.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
That was so inappropriate exactly, It's scary, and You're like, well,
and your first instinct is like, I'm gonna call door
Dash and be like, this is absolutely inappropriate that your
driver is asking me for cash right now for gas. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Then it's like this guy, yeah, almost at my house.
So I'm like, all right, cool, he already has my address. Now,
I'm like and you know, because of the podcast and
just the way my mind immediately is like I'm getting murdered, right,
So that's automatically where I went. But like, I shouldn't
have to be scared when I'm just ordering food. I
actually just saw on like Instagram or something just in
(42:28):
the last week or two that apparently they've had issues
with DoorDash drivers sending like Dick picture or something to
the customers, right, and then people will get a notification
that'll be like your order was canceled due to inappropriate
contact by the driver. We will get somebody else to
pick up your order or something. And then I was like, well,
(42:48):
what does that message mean? So I went on read
it and started looking up and people are like, no,
I've had instances in the past where the driver sent
me Dick picts or asked me for pictures. But I'm like, okay,
so they're monitoring the chat for sexual activity, but not
when the drivers you're asking for money.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know because and obviously, like
anyone from door to ash is listening right now, they're
gonna be like put out a statement we are against that,
blah blah blah, Like yeah, we understand that. The thing
is is that nobody wants to tell on any There's
probably so much shit. I'm curious from you guys if
you would like to leave us a comment about this,
(43:24):
because there's probably so much shit that happens that people
don't report for the same exact reasons that we're talking
about right now, because we're scared to death of retaliation.
Like I mean, think about this particular case too, like this,
this girl's gonna end up going to jail for this,
I'm sure, but like she's gonna get out and she's
gonna be angry.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'd move.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, it's time to pack up your bags and get
out of there.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
I mean, I just we could talk about this for hours.
I just don't understand what the point of doing it was.
I don't understand and how you thought you weren't gonna
get caught. I mean, not only did they have a
doorbell of a doorbell footage, which is like more than
obvious on somebody's port. You can't really hide those things
that well. But then in addition to that, they immediately
(44:09):
tracked her down because you're a driver for a door
dash and they know who delivered the order. Idiot, what
were you thinking?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
And did she do it to other people?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'm sure she did.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
This is terrible. Yeah, I wonder if there's gonna be like, oh,
she tampered with other people's food and they got sick
and they just were piecing it together.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Now. Yeah, well I hope, I hope people are paying attention.
So all right, So, speaking of pepper spray, this is
this is really gross. But this and this has not
been like a story that's been reported in any news,
but I did see this video going viral.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Yeah, so this backstory is unconfirmed because it was on x,
which we know is the wild West the Internet. So
basically they're saying that this guy was causing a scene
at a bar in Saint Petersburg to the point where
they had the pepper spray and to get out. So
then there is a video attached to this post where
he is on the ground, crouched over and ankles his
(45:06):
penis up so he could pee on his face to
allegedly wash his pepper spray off. Would that even work? No?
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I mean no, I mean listen, Like, like I said,
pepper spray. I've never had an actual direct contact with
pepper spray. I've been in the city a couple times
if they sprayed it blocks away and been like choking
out over it and couldn't believe that the wind was
pulling it over my way to the point where it
(45:35):
gives you that you know, that feeling when you get
that weird tickle in your throat and you have to
cough and it makes you cry.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Oh my god, that's it's.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Like that, but you can't stop it. It's just so terrible, right,
And I just can't imagine getting actually sprayed in the
face with it. So, like I said earlier, it's oil, right,
So it's just like this oil that's missing all over
your face. So your first reaction and as a human
is to grab your face and start trying to like
rub whatever. But all you're doing is like spreading the
(46:05):
oil all around, like hot pepper oil all over your face.
And then like so, really, if if you're in a
situation where you could go to a hospital or even
a house. You're supposed to flush your eyes out for
twenty minutes with either like contact solution or just water
if you have it or whatever. But there's nothing that's
really safe to put in your eyes, especially urine. I
(46:27):
wouldn't I wouldn't say to do. But when you're freaking
out like that, like that guy was freaking out on
the sidewalk bent over. Maybe he was just like fit,
I don't even care, Like I'm just gonna pee on
my face right now.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Well, don't people pee on themselves when they get like
stung by a jellyfish. Maybe he was coming from that angle,
I want to say for my experience, but you referenced earlier,
which was I was cutting long hots with my hands.
I've cut them a million times. I've never had issues.
But I cut them, and then hours later my fingertips
started burning, and I was like, oh, whatever, like I
did cut those hot peppers and whatever, right, So then
(47:03):
it was getting more intense, and then I was like,
you know what, I have to take a shower anyway.
I'm just gonna get in there right now. Maybe they'll
make it better. Oh my god, it got one thousand
times worse in the shower, to the point where I
had to tell Ricky, you need to go to Walgreens
give me milk so I could dip my hands in
them because they're burning so bad. And it looks ridiculous
because like my hands aren't red or anything, they look normal.
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But I'm like, dude, they hurt so bad. I can't
even explain it. Like I don't even think I drive
right now. They hurt so bad. And he came back
and said, I know it was really bad because in
the like almost ten years we've been together, you have
never asked me to do anything for you, no matter
how sick you've been or anything. You've never asked me
to go pick anything up for you.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
No, it's it seriously is uncomfortable. And I use peppers
a lot. I mean, Gabe is like the king of
his peppers that he really takes pride in that he
grows in the summer here, so we have an endless
supply of this summer. He uh, the hot you know,
red pepper, crushed red peppers, he grew right like thousands
(48:06):
of them.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
I have.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I have like one of those gallon you know, a
gallon sized ziploc bag that's filled with hot pepper flakes.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well, I haven't been offered any and I could use.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
You only could have them if you eat at my house.
But I mean we're always you know, dehydrating them and
crushing them and stuff. And it's just like the stuff
it's hard to wash off. Even you think that you
washed it off, but you can't really wash it off.
It's like a weird thing.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's what I'm saying. And like when I dunked my
hands in the milk, it went away within two minutes,
but anything I did was making it so much worse.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, And I mean you can't put milk in your
eyes either. It's it's just like a tech. I don't know.
I think the guy wasn't thinking about anything. He was
probably just like I need something wet and I have
to pee, and it's here, and it's a hose and
I could direct it right towards my face. It's just
kind of it's just really gross and it could totally
be fake. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Like at this point the video is worth the wats though,
you're like, what is this guy doing? Okay, let's move
on to your questions and emails. This first one is
from Crystal in reference to the chalk. I don't know
what that means. Who had a seizure and was pronounced
dead but ended up not being dead. Where we live,
I'm in Delaware, amts and paramedics respond to a medical complaint.
(49:24):
The paramedics from the show typically they will not transport
a patient to the hospital while doing CPR. They don't
transport until there is some sort of cardiac activity. When
they have done all they can do without response to treatment,
they radio into a hospital and talk to a doctor
who actually pronounces the debt. So the paramedics don't technically
do it, but a doctor doesn't actually see the patient.
(49:46):
They pronounce about you guys. Kind of questioning parents who
let their kids raise dirt bikes. It's no different than
a parent letting their kids play football or competitive career,
or horseback riding or even soccer. It's all about finding
irresponsible organis. I grew up at a dirt bike track
watching my dad and brother ride. There was always an
ambulance or two there, and they had flaggers at each jump,
(50:08):
so if somebody they ran onto the jump and waved
the appropriate color flag. If there was a yellow flag,
you slow the hell down, and you don't hit the
jump with enough speed to get air and you could
avoid the person bike down. The tracks were maintained constantly
and well groomed, but it is obviously a huge risk.
I've met people who got injured and paralyzed waist down
and they still raced. Some of us are just more unhinged,
(50:30):
and we wouldn't change it. And like y'all said, it
typically does get passed from parent to kid. Maybe it's irresponsible,
but so as letting your kid jump on a trampoline
or going swimming or playing baseball. Anything fun comes with
a risk.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Okay, I don't know, Like I do understand what you're saying,
because you can get hurt doing the dumbest stuff. But
like I personally feel if there's an activity that there
has to be an ambulance present because it's that bad.
Like maybe I don't know, it just makes me and
I don't listen. Like if it's adults, like I don't
(51:04):
give a shit. It's just like with kids, because kids
obviously want to do things that are fun, but I
feel like the adults should be like, maybe you shouldn't
do that because you could get They don't really understand
that they could almost die or if they get paralyzed,
Like that's a terrible thing to kind of induce on
a person too, to be paralyzed for the rest of
(51:25):
their life just from like doing something like that. I
don't know, but thank you for that sharing that about
the paramedic situation. And I'm sure that that varies from
state to state and even within states as well as
far as what their procedure is. But I remember we
were talking about a case last week. Remember we were saying, like,
(51:46):
we don't know what happens if a person is is dead,
like if the paramedics are allowed to pronounce them or not.
So I see how they're getting around it by having
they'll call a physician and say, you know, we this person,
this is their vitals or lack thereof, and then they say, okay,
you could you checked all the boxes and we could
(52:07):
pronounce them dead. It was the person that was the
bomb who was found the mom who was found alive
in the Morghia.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
All right. This next one's from anonymous. Hi, Nicole and Maria.
I'm a huge fan and longtime member of the Grosser Room.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
I wanted to comment on Nicole's traumatic experience of going
into help syndrome. Nicole, I'm so incredibly sorry for what
you went through. I know I speak for all of
us when I say we're glad you're still with us,
because you were so fucking lucky. Your story unfortunately reminded
me of a nurse I worked with that passed away
from help. I'm a former Llend nurse and was working
the day she was in labor, but thankfully wasn't there
when everything happened. My coworkers failed to recognize it, even
(52:47):
though her husband, an orthopedic surgeon, did the OBI and
nurses taking care of her were friends with the couple.
They basically cut corners and treated her differently since she
was considered a local vip aka, one of us. I'm
still a nurse at that hospital, so it really bothers
me when I see people deviating from the norm just
because of who the patient is. This is where things
(53:08):
like this happen. I'm not sure what the status of
the lawsuit is, but the obie still works at the
hospital and is notorious for talking about his patients behind
their backs. He wasn't disciplined by the medical board, so
I guess all's well for him. Asshole Anyway, love the show.
Thank you for everything you guys do. You make the
drives to and from work so damn enjoyable.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Maria.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
I hope I didn't scare you best in life with
the pregnancy. I'm scared by everything, so it's fine.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, and you you just so happened to have a
job where you just have to hear all about the
horrible stuff. But yeah, thanks for sharing that, and thank
you for saying that you're sorry I went through that,
because that's more of an apology than I got from
the actual hospital that almost killed me. But yeah, I
mean I hate hearing this. And like you said, like
the whole VIP thing is a real thing, and we've
(53:57):
I always talk about that when it has you know,
so they would it would happen in the hospital, Like
sometimes one of the pathologists would come up to us
and be like, we have a VIP specimen coming down today,
so make sure you do this and do that, And
it's just like, no, why don't we just treat it
like we do every other one, because there's gonna be
less of a chance of us screwing up, because when
you start messing with the procedure of how you're supposed
(54:21):
to do things. That's when mistakes could get made. Oh, totally,
and it's and it's terrible that that was the case
for that one woman who her her husband was a
doctor and even recognized it. But unfortunately, once things start happening,
sometimes it's hard to get them to stop happening and
a person can die from it.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Totally. All right, last nse for Michelle, Hei, Nikole and Maria.
I love your show. I stumbled upon it because I
listened to Z one hundred and I'm so glad I did.
Everything you talk about is so interesting. And congrats on
the pregnancy, Maria, so happy for you. Thank you. Anyway.
On the somber second, there was an incident with a
man who lived down the street from my house. A
Marshall went to his house to a victim and his
wife who were behind on their mortgage for quite a
(55:03):
few years. He ended up pushing his wife out the
door and having a stand off with police for a
good part of the day. Our street was blocked off
and they wouldn't let anyone down it. Unfortunately, after shots
back and forth with police, he took his own life.
The house was booby trapped and a dead body was
found in the house. The body was handcuffed and I
think wrapped in plastic. My question is, and sorry for
(55:24):
such a long intro, The report is that the body
was mummified. If this is the case, how long would
the body have had to be there? What kind of
conditions caused the body to mummify instead of decay. I
have heard the body was there since October, but do
you think that's accurate. Thanks so much for all the
podcast episodes. Love listening to the stories and the family
Dynamic and your family stories.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Ah thanks thanks so Normally, when a person decomposes, bacteria
that is inside of the GI track starts to multiply
and that is what helps break down the body or
decompose the body. Further that with having access to insects
like flies landing on the body, which then lay eggs
(56:07):
which then have Maggot's form and start to eat the
tissue and break down the tissue. All of that needs
to be in an environment that is moist and has
moisture because the bacteria needs that to grow. They needed
to multiply, they needed to be moist, So if they're
(56:29):
in any kind of environment, where it is dry and
the body is able to dry out as well as
being sealed off, meaning they're in a room that there's
no way that critters can get in to start trying
to break down the body. That's when you have the
highest chance of mummification. So it could increase more like
(56:52):
if it was an elderly person, like one of those
really skinny old people that barely has any fat on
their body. The less fat, the more likely it is
to happen. If they're wearing tight clothes, that could also
cause it to happen. So I mean when we talk
about mummies, like most people think about Egyptian mummies, right,
and they tried to make the process happen naturally, but
(57:16):
like what unnaturally, I guess you would say they tried
to speed it up instead of having it happen naturally
just by laying out or something. But it could happen
naturally too to people. So sometimes in some cases that
we've covered in the gross room, where people are intentionally
trying to mummify people, which happens often. There was that
(57:37):
one case with that weird rushing guy that was turning
children into mummies and like sticking them inside of dolls.
That was an insane case. There's other cases of people
trying to preserve their loved ones because they're still trying
to collect their pension checks and stuff like that. And
then there was that one case of was Earning Amy
(58:01):
Caral Sinners.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah the Love has one cult leader.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, so she was also mummified. So sometimes people that
are intentionally trying to mummify people, like the Egyptians did too,
they'll put something on to try to dry out the
body even more, like salt or something like that. We
had a case in the grocrom actually of a guy
who was collecting money from his dead family member and
(58:26):
was putting table salt on her body to dry her out.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Well, then we have the episode with Paul too, where
some cultures just do that.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, yeah, in a non.
Speaker 1 (58:34):
Nefarious way, So definitely check out.
Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah. So and like listen, that's possible in your case
that that happened as well, But just in certain situations,
it could just happen without really even having to try,
and it could happen quickly depending it just depends on
what the environment was that the that the body was in.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Well, thank you for sharing that story. I mean that's
super scary that that happens close to your house. Of course,
all the details were super weird, so and you're like, cool,
these weirdos. I've been living down the street from me
this whole time. That's great.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah, everyone has those in their neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Though.
Speaker 2 (59:10):
You drive by their house and you're like, yeah, there's
definitely a dead body in there.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
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We're also excited to announce we're going to be doing
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See you, guys, thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not doctor, and I have
not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without the
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