On today’s MKD, we talk about Erik Menendez's hospitalization, a squishy toy trend that left a girl in a coma, a stranger hiding under a woman's hotel bed, and another surgeon who removed the wrong organ.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows That. Today we're gonna talk
about one of the Menendez brothers being hospitalized with a
serious metal cool condition, a TikTok train that leaves a
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girl in a coma, a terribly frightening new fear relating
to staying at a hotel, and yet another story of
a patient having the wrong organ removed. All that more
on today's episode. Let's get started with Eric Menandez.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, So, as we've discussed at length on here,
the Menandez brothers are still waiting to see if they'll
be released from prison. So now it's a couple weeks
away from their parole hearing, and Eric Menandez has unfortunately
been hospitalized with severe kidney stones and has required multiple
surgeries for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, so normally a lot of times, you know, people
that have kidney stones all the time, like Louis my
brother had won last year, and it seems to be
a very terribly painful experience, and you go to the
hospital and you pass it and you move on and
you're just like, Okay, that's not a serious medical condition.
But In some circumstances, people could get really really bad
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kidney stones to the point where it actually fills up
their entire kidney and requires surgery to be removed because
they're just too large to pass. So in this case,
he had large kidney stones in both kidneys. And what
happens is that these stones can form. They're called a
staghorn calculus because they take on an appearance of almost
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looking like an antler because the stone actually grows within
the kidney and you could see all of the nooks
and crannies of the kidney called the renal pelvis. When
you pull this stone out of a kidney, it looks
like you're holding antlers.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, they're really they're really like beautiful stones to look at. Actually,
i've seen a couple in my career. But these particular
stones usually form because of certain bacterial infections in the
kidney that could just cause crystallization of these certain chemicals
and proteins. And what happens is it calcifies or gets
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really hard in the kidney, and then all of the
urine that's created in the kidney has a hard time
getting out because it's blocked in the opening by the stone,
and when that urine starts to back up, it can
make the kidney get larger, which is called hydro nephrosis.
That just means like water in the kidney basically, which
is just like essentially pea filling up in the kidney,
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and over time that could turn into puss and an infection.
And I mean this could kill him, Like it is very,
very serious, and the fact that he's had to have
so many because you know, you have to have one
good kidney, and if they're both kind of acting up,
it could be super super serious. So that's that's why
he's hospitalized, because it's really it's really his life could
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be a danger from becoming septic and possibly dying from this.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Can you imagine if they get out and then he
ends up dying from this like shortly after or something.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So let me tell you because I guess I'm just
kind of like out of touch. Obviously when I read
this article, I'm more shocked about anything is that it
said his daughter released that he was in the hospital,
Like when did.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
He have a kid It's not his biological daughter, it's
his wife's daughter.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh okay, Because I was just like, wait a second,
because I thought and this is like side note. I
just read something that like Brian Coberger, I guess in
theory could get married in prison, but he's not allowed
to have conjugal visits.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I hope, I hope not.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's why I was wondering, like, well, or Menanda's brothers
allowed to have them, Like how was he able to
have a kid if he didn't have a kid when
he entered? But okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I honestly do not know if they can have conjugal
visits or not. They're both married, I believe, uh, the
brother has been divorced maybe twice for having a faarish
or something like he's what is like talking to other people?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
What if he gets out?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Like what if he gets out and the wife like
isn't physically attracted to him like that? I know how.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think that happens a lot. Actually, Like there's these
prison brides. There's a Lifetime show called Prison Brides. I
actually started watching it. I was really into it. I
want to get back into it.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it's interesting, right because I feel like like the
way like a guy smells and like stuff like that
is just like important for things. And if you don't
get to have that kind of intimacy, like what if
that you don't like that.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, there's this psychology too that women day prisoners because
they have like major t trust issues and they're locked
up so they can't really do anything.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And then when they get out, well, when.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They get out too, it's like he's been in jail
since what nineteen early I think the.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Crime was in nineteen eighty nine, but they weren't.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You're saying trust issues like cheating because they can't, yeah,
which they still can have multiple relationship we're gotting Anyway,
what I'm getting at is he's been in jail since
at least their early nineties, so he hasn't experienced life
for so long, right, Like he might not want anything
to do with her when he gets out because he's like, right,
I haven't even been part of.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
The world and all this technology and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I would guarantee they get a podcast when they get out,
because that would be enormous for them. Why wouldn't they
do that? Make all the money themselves, and I'm sure
they'll get paid a hefty five or a hefty salary,
so they can't they can't do anything like that now, No,
But you know, What really scared me is that I've
read that in the prison that cod and they could
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buy like a tablet that's preloaded with apps so they
could listen to podcasts and stuff. And I really just
hope he never comes across ours.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Ours is low level compared to what other people are
talking about with his case, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But we probably have like fifteen episodes with his name
in the titles. He don't care we're small potatoes, stay
away from us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
He just wants to be like infamous, and he's not
getting there from us.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So yeah, so confirmed, it's not his biological daughter. It's
his stepdaughter. But I understand where your confusion was coming from.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, So last.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Fall, a seven year old girl was attempting to do
a TikTok trend with a squishy toy when suddenly it exploded,
leaving her in a coma. So this, do you know
what this squishy toy's called.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's called a knee dough.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I I was Lillian.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Pat all right, Well, I wasn't familiar with it, but
it was something When I looked at I was like,
I'm sure Lilian's had it or wants it, because it's
right up Parali.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
She used to get them all the time, and it's
like a it's like a rubber ball that seems like
it's filled with like almost like shaving cream or something.
It was like very squashy. I guess they're filled with
all different sorts of stuff. But this TikTok trend was like,
I'm so annoyed by this case. Actually it's like put
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it in the freezer and then put it in the
microwave to like loot to get it to be more
malleable or whatever. So the kid puts this thing in
the freezer and the dad said, why did you put
that in the freezer? Listen like some of this I'm
reading it and I'm like, this happens to me all
the time. Gabe can can definitely say that this happens
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in our house. That you open the freezer and there's
like some weird shit in there that the kids. It's
usually some weird concoction of like you're like, what's that
brown shit in the cop in the freezer? Like what
are you doing with that? It's always something and you're
like it's just it's just HILARI, right. So the dad's like,
why is this thing in the freezer, and then he
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didn't really think anything of it. So the kid puts
it in the microwave and opens the microwave and the
thing frickin explodes, essentially like hot liquid glue all over
her face, and you know if you have hot glue
on you, like he said that, the dad was heard
a blood curdling scream and tried to get it off
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of her, and they couldn't get it off of her
because it was sticking to him and it was sticking
to her everywhere. Brought her to the hospital, which was
a half hour away, So I don't know if they
were living in a more rural area that it would
be quicker for them to drive rather than to call
an ambulance, Like, I'm not sure, but she got to
the hospital and they put her in a medically induced
coma and gave her a tracheotomy tube because they were
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scared that her airwave was going to get so swollen.
Because she got burned around her mouth and inside her
mouth so much, they were like, we're going to put
her in a coma and just let her swelling go
down and like let her breathe through this right now,
which is just so scary. Second third degree burns. For
a while, they were talking about giving her skin graphs,
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and they decided against giving her skin grafts. But the
mom is just like, she's probably going to need something
in the future because she's disfigured because of this. Yeah,
and I guess the most annoying part of this article
was that they they somehow were able to contact both
So I guess the kid didn't have a TikTok because
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the first thing I did was sent the story to
Lilian and she's like, why does a seven year old
have TikTok? And I'm just like, dude, it's because the
people got smart and they know little kids aren't allowed
to have TikTok most times. So then they put the
same videos on YouTube, like so the kids saw a
TikTok video on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay, So TikTok.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
First of all said they don't allow content that shows
or promotes dangerous behavior. Bullshit, bullshit, because we have a
story of this like once a month at least of
some kind of TikTok thing that went wrong and a
child getting seriously injured or dying. So that's bullshit. And
then YouTube said they kind of basically tried to turf
it and said kids aren't allowed to use YouTube until
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they're thirteen or older and they should be monitored by
a parent, which is their protection because it does say that,
and they also said that they don't allow things like that.
But you're just like, Okay, well, you're like gaslighting me
right now because my kid just saw it on your
platform from the other platform that said you guys don't
do it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I agree with YouTube in the sense of saying, like, well,
we do say you can't watch it. It doesn't mean
people don't do it, but that is in their guidelines.
But TikTok is ridiculous for saying that because that might
be in their guidelines, but they're certainly not monitoring it.
Like how is YouTube going to monitor a child watching
it on their parents' device. They don't know if a
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seven year old or a thirty five year old holding
the phone. But TikTok can certainly take the videos down,
and I see shit every day.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I'm on Yeah, But the same thing can be said
about YouTube too. Why can't YouTube, Well.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
They can take it down too, but they didn't say
we don't show harmful content. They just said, you shouldn't
be watching it unless you're thirteen.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well yeah, And I mean the same could be said
about Instagram because I remember for a while people like
yelling at me and being like, my ten year old
saw this and it's disturbing, and I was just like,
why the hell is your ten year old looking at
my Instagram account or on Instagram not being monitored anyway,
Like that's kind of not my.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Problem, that's that's a parent problem like that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's why I'm saying with YouTube, it's like, I think
it's dick to make a comment like that, but at
the same time, like you can't monitor the age of
the person holding the device, especially if it's on the
parent's account. Not to say that adult stuff and harmful
stuff can't get on the kids side of it, but
I'm just putting that out there. Also, I wanted to
say not to not to sound like a boomer, as
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the kids have been loving calling me the.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But back in my day, there used to be a
U Tube channel called is it a good idea to
microwave this? And it was these people that microwaved all
these different types of objects, and I don't want to
say a controlled environment, but they were prepared for explosions
or things catching on fire. And I think that's satisfied
the needs of a lot of young people doing it themselves.
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And that channel doesn't exist anymore. And maybe if they
still existed, in.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
The problem was because somebody got got burned and put
some shit and I you know what the problem with
kids is that you just never know. You never know
what they're going to do that's going to be like
not a good idea. And like I'm telling you, like
two days ago, Lilian's like, Mommy, you're gonna kill me.
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Why you're gonna kill me? You're promise you're not gonna
be mad? Okay, And she comes downstairs and like she
decided to like trim her eyebrows and like they're like
missing huge chunks. I don't even understand why she touched
them because they're like perfect in my opinion, And she
quickly realized that they didn't look you know, like it
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was like, oh shit, why did I do that? Like
kids just have to Kids just don't think ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean, I think a lot of us sitting here
right now could be like, oh, we got this haircut
and then that was a bad idea or something like that.
Never forget when I trimmed all my baby hairs, which
wasn't that long ago, but that was only like five
years ago. Yeah, she like we were I never We
were at morning Glory Diner and I look over at
her and like, see, we all have these like hairs.
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For those of you that are looking like did like
our hairline starts like way further back, because we have
like baby hairs. And Maria's like looked like the a
razor went to them, And I was.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Like, what did you do? All right?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So I know that piece gets on your nerves, but
like get it lasered?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I was if I was twelve five years old.
It broke where you get a restaurant? Do you think
I have buddy to get it lasered?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You were just recently complaining about it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Though I do hate it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I should I should go get it laser with doctor demitrit'
something like that, or I have to Oh absolutely, I'll
do it.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I'll talk to him. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I was at my friend's wedding and the pictures came
out like a couple of weeks later, and my baby
hair was like plastered to my forehead, so it looked
like I was like super greasy and sweaty. But that's
just how it gets it, Like like right now, the
fact that it stayed like this is a miracle, Like
it's typically like it has a mind of its own.
It just gets wherever it wance. It doesn't matter what
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I do to my hair. But it kept happening to
me in pictures and it was, in my opinion, making
me look like I was like had greasy hair or something.
But it's just what happens, and it pissed me off.
So right before coked, thank god, COVID happened so I
could hide in my house while it grew back out.
But I cut it and it looked weird. I don't
recommend it, but yeah maybe, but if that happens when
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I get it lasered, if it looks weird.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Now, I think that. I think that lots of people
get cause it. Like I can't explain it to you,
but when I'm looking at you right now, it's like
you have the part and then there's like this little
squiggle wave and then it goes straight, like if you
just remove those little hairs along that line, like it'll
just look like like you're trying. This is the problem.
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Like you have curly hair like I do, and when
whenever I used to try to wear my hair straight,
I had the same problem because I have baby hairs
that are curly and it's just like it doesn't go
with the look you're trying to go for.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No, So see how it's sitting now, Like, that's fine
with me. But a lot of times it'll be like,
now we're gonna mess it up. It'll be like, see
when you wear it, when you don't, it'll be like that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
And that's what bothers me.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, like I feel a line, I feel like and
you probably screwed it up by shaving it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
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Speaker 2 (16:21):
So this woman wrote in The Guardian how she was
visiting Tokyo from Thailand. She said, around seven thirty at night,
she went back to her room and she was just
settling in for the night, as people do. She got
a sweatshirt on, but she wasn't a doubt she was
wearing pants. I think she just said she's wearing a
sweatterir in underwear.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So she's sitting in her bed, she says, she's looking
through the train schedule, just chilling out, and about twenty
minutes after she got back to the room, she starts
smelling this really weird smell, which she described as a
dead animal covered in sugar.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
This is like, I was like, this is how Lillian
describes things.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
She told me. She told me the other day that
the cats.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
She said, the cat smelled weird, and I said, why,
she goes, I don't know, she's just been smelling different.
And I'm like, like, what, like, is she not cleaning herself?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Like what she goes?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I don't know how to explain it. And then she says,
I don't want to tell you how to how I
explain it because you'll make fun of me. And I said,
just tell me, and she goes, she smells more hairy,
And now.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm with thousands of people listening where you're making She
just has her She just she just describes smells in
very bizarre ways.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
One time she said that something smelled bad, and it's
smelled like mustard in a box. I'm like, okay, like whatever,
but that's like how specific to be, like dead animal
covered in sugar. Like it's just bizarre.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Mustard in a box. It's a pretty specific odor, Okay.
So she says, she starts felling this dead animal covered
in sugar. So she's looking all over the room. She
can't figure out where the smells coming from. And she goes,
you know what, I'm gonna look under the bed. And
she even said she thought to herself, I hope nobody's
under there. Well guess what somebody was under there. So
she creates her neck to underneath. It sees the eyeballs
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of a man like looking back at her. What's even
scarier is he got out really quickly and obstructed her
from getting out of the door. So she's like inter
sweatshirt and underwear. Standing in the corner of the room.
She starts screaming. She says, he starts screaming, and then
finally he runs out the door and disappears down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Like I never even thought of this. No, really, I
just never did. And now you're like, oh, cool, I
guess you should check the little closet they have for
you to hang your stuff up into. I'm sure this
isn't the first time that this has happened.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, it's definitely not. I feel like I always I
don't know. I feel like when you check in a hotel,
like the closet doors are typically already opened, so I
don't know, but I would never think to check under
the bed. I in my mind feel like most hotels
have those bed frames that just go to the floor.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, but I guess this is a possibility. I would
certainly never think it. If he didn't smell so bad,
would she have even known he was under there?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And I don't know, And she said that he had
I don't know what he had with them, some kind
of weird battery pack, and she whatever he had with
she assumed that maybe he was trying to like record
her or something.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, which is really scary to think. So she calls
the police, and you know, they just don't really seem
too concerned about it. They're saying, there's not very many
cameras in the hotels, so it would be hard to
track him down. She said, while they were in their
screaming math to I guess with each other that she
was staring at his face, trying to memorize all his features,
which is such a smart thing to do if you
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get attacked or anything, or just or part of any crime.
But then they never asked her for a description of him,
which must be just so unsettling that they just seemed
totally ungettered by this. Yeah, exactly. She doesn't know how
he got in the room. She was really scared. She
doesn't know how he knew she was going to be alone.
So was he following her outside?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know. I think I would definitely leave that
hotel at least.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, she did leave the hotel. She got a room
in a new hotel where she made the staff stay
while she checked the entire room, which totally understandable in
my opinion, But she's staying basically at this point, there's
not much information or any updates about her case because
it seems like they just blew it off. It's so
scary to think about, Hugh. I always see these videos online,
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like on TikTok and Instagram of like these women like
what to do when you're staying alone in a hotel room,
and it's like shoving a chair, putting a.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Pretty sound lame though, it's like put a pair of
men's shoes out in the hallway so a guy looks
like they're like, it's just those things are annoying the
shit out of me.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't think all that's necessary.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I think that maybe check the closets and now under
the bed and then just make sure the door is
properly locked, like you don't need to be like propping
up furniture and all this crazy stuff under there.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But it is really scary.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This is totally like worse nightmare, and I'm always gonna
think about now we're staying at hotels. All right, let's
wrap up with this story. So we reported a while
back about a surgeon who removed the wrong organ, which
truly seemed unbelievable at the time we reported it, and
it's happened again.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So the case that we reported last year was that
a guy was supposed to have his spleen removed and
somehow the surgeon accidentally removed his liver, which I don't
even understand how that's possible. And it happened again, and
this is another case that I'm like, I don't even
understand how this happened. So basically this this woman had
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an ovarian syst and she went in to get laparoscopy,
which is when they put a couple incisions in your
belly and they stick a camera in along with surgical
tools and they're able to pull it out through a
small incision. And this type of surgery is done very
commonly on people with ovarian tumors because or ovan an
ovarian mass, because it's not as invasive as having to
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cut open their whole belly to go in, because healing
from that surgery is just so much harder to do.
So sometimes they're able to go in and grab it
and pull it out without having to make a huge decision,
which is what they did in this case. She had
the surgery done and she went home and she was
having such bad like pain, bloating, difficulty urinating, so she
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went it was bad enough that she went back to
the hospital and was thinking that she was having complications
from her surgery. So she go The first thing that
any of the doctors going into the hospital or thinking
are like, Okay, it's possible that the doctor had perforated
one of her organs accidentally during the surgery. Like something
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isn't right according to this woman's symptoms and everything. So
they decide they're going to do an emergency laparoscopy, which
is when they open you up or they go in
with the scope and they look. That's a laparotomy is
when they actually open your whole belly up. But with
the laparoscopy, they're just going in with the camera again
just to look to see, like if we could see
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anything that's like glaringly obviously causing this lady a problem.
And when they go in, they realize that her bladder
is missing, like a large portion of her bladders missing,
to the point where they're like this guy. So the
other surgeon calls in a friend and says, is this
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what I'm really looking at right now?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
They both agree that like a large portion of her
bladder was removed, and so much of it was removed
that they weren't able to take what was left of
it and repair it together to make it whole again.
Because your bladder is it's a hollow organ that your
urytors from your kidneys empty urine into and it stores
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the urine until it's ready to get released. Well, when
you're missing that intact hollow organ to hold the urine,
then you're going to have all of these problems with
your kidneys and everything. You have to have something that's
functioning to get the urine outside of your body. And
that communication was gone. So they immediately called pathology and said,
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when this surgeon did the surgery the other day or yesterday,
whenever he did it, what tissue did he send down?
Did you get ovarian tissue? Because he was supposed to
remove an ovary. Well they look under the microscope and
they're like, no, it's full thickness wall of the bladder,
like he took out her bladder instead. So the ovary
cyst is now still there, and now she is missing
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a bladder, which has led to multiple surgeries. She's gotten
multiple kidney infections. She had to have another major surgery
where they take a piece of the bowel and they
actually reconstruct a bladder out of it, which is something
similar to what they do with patients that have bladder
cancer that have to have their bladder totally removed.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I just really am having a hard time understanding how
this happened, because when I just got surgery a couple
months ago, I had at least three people the surgeon
and like two other people I guess a nurse and
somebody else come in and confirm with me the procedure
I was having done.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh, I don't think it was because they did the
wrong procedure, because what like this was just botch not
knowing what they were looking at anatomy.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But what I'm getting at is like, if all those
people are confirming with you what procedure you're getting, aren't
those people in the room also watching said procedure get
done that nobody at any point was like what are
you doing? Well?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
This is the thing though, like if you're a surgical
tech and not saying that nurses and surgical techs don't
know what they're looking at, because clearly there are some
that probably could do a better job than the surgeons
could do. But number one, you're like a low level
employee compared to the doctor, so you're not going to
argue with what they're doing because a lot of times,
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trust me, in my situation in pathology, I used to
argue with the doctor sometimes tell them that they were wrong,
and it doesn't go well if they don't want.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
To hear that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right. But number two, like they're not trained on the
level of the surgeon, and they like I talk about
this all the time, and the lecture that I just
gave in Atlanta, how like things look a certain way
when you take rose anatomy and you're looking at fairly
normal anatomy and you're looking at illustrations, it shows you
the normal way that a uterus and ovaries should look.
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But once you get pathology and you get in the abdomen,
either at surgery, at or autopsy, everything looks completely different.
And if she had a big enough ovarian cyst, it
could have been like stuck to the front of her
bladder and it could have even mimicked her bladder and
looked certain similar and the doctor might have thought that
the bladder was actually the cyst. It was a mistake
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on his part. It wasn't like, oh, he went in
and took out her bladder by accident. Like it seems
like he honestly thought he took out this overian cyst
and took her bladder out by accident.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
This terrifying and didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Even like like And the reason I know that is
because that isn't you would never approach taking out a
bladder with laparoscopically number one and number two. You would
close it up in a certain way, and you would
have a backup plan like Okay, well, what's going to
be used for the temporary bladder until we're able to
reconstruct one or they they have it set up so
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because you're constantly making urine, it has to come out
of your body all day every day, So they have
to figure out a way to get your urine that's
being created in your kidneys out of your body. And
that doctor just like ripped out her bladder and like
left her there to just like have all these unopened
tubes like filling up in her abdominal cavity.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, I hope this guy is still not like he's
at least on hiatus or something well got.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Fired, which is like I guess reassuring, But I mean,
this is this is why medical malpractice has it is
is worth it because cases like this, this is not frivolous,
this is changing something like she had a laparoscopy to
remove an ovarian cyst. There's always gonna be complications that
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are unavoidable, Like you can get infections from getting surgeries
that's really nobody's fault, or you could have a bleeding
issue that maybe again is nobody's fault. But like, this
is an unforeseen complication due to negligence, and this woman's
life is forever changed. And I always think this since
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the beginning of me working in pathology, thinking about having
bladder cancer and what a terrible thing that like when
you have an organ that has to be used all
the time, that has to be surgically removed and replaced,
Like what a like different change of life that would
be for you. And this is he shouldn't have even
been near her bladder. Like it's just bizarre but very weird.
(28:58):
Yeah it is, but this is what happened. And and
like I said, like a surgical tech in the room
might just not have like noticed, she might have noticed
and been like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say
anything because like he's the expert. I'm not you know,
And Ultimately, it's not it's not their responsibility, like they
don't know for sure, they're not trained in that.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
God, that's just like I'm sure anybody that's surgery now
is like super paranoid about it, right, But of course
these cases are rare, so let's try to look at
the positive side there, all right, guys, Well, we will
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows That. Today we're gonna talk
about one of the Menendez brothers being hospitalized with a
serious metal cool condition, a TikTok train that leaves a
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girl in a coma, a terribly frightening new fear relating
to staying at a hotel, and yet another story of
a patient having the wrong organ removed. All that more
on today's episode. Let's get started with Eric Menandez.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
All right, So, as we've discussed at length on here,
the Menandez brothers are still waiting to see if they'll
be released from prison. So now it's a couple weeks
away from their parole hearing, and Eric Menandez has unfortunately
been hospitalized with severe kidney stones and has required multiple
surgeries for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, so normally a lot of times, you know, people
that have kidney stones all the time, like Louis my
brother had won last year, and it seems to be
a very terribly painful experience, and you go to the
hospital and you pass it and you move on and
you're just like, Okay, that's not a serious medical condition.
But In some circumstances, people could get really really bad
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kidney stones to the point where it actually fills up
their entire kidney and requires surgery to be removed because
they're just too large to pass. So in this case,
he had large kidney stones in both kidneys. And what
happens is that these stones can form. They're called a
staghorn calculus because they take on an appearance of almost
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looking like an antler because the stone actually grows within
the kidney and you could see all of the nooks
and crannies of the kidney called the renal pelvis. When
you pull this stone out of a kidney, it looks
like you're holding antlers.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Basically.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, they're really they're really like beautiful stones to look at. Actually,
i've seen a couple in my career. But these particular
stones usually form because of certain bacterial infections in the
kidney that could just cause crystallization of these certain chemicals
and proteins. And what happens is it calcifies or gets
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really hard in the kidney, and then all of the
urine that's created in the kidney has a hard time
getting out because it's blocked in the opening by the stone,
and when that urine starts to back up, it can
make the kidney get larger, which is called hydro nephrosis.
That just means like water in the kidney basically, which
is just like essentially pea filling up in the kidney,
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and over time that could turn into puss and an infection.
And I mean this could kill him, Like it is very,
very serious, and the fact that he's had to have
so many because you know, you have to have one
good kidney, and if they're both kind of acting up,
it could be super super serious. So that's that's why
he's hospitalized, because it's really it's really his life could
(03:13):
be a danger from becoming septic and possibly dying from this.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Can you imagine if they get out and then he
ends up dying from this like shortly after or something.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So let me tell you because I guess I'm just
kind of like out of touch. Obviously when I read
this article, I'm more shocked about anything is that it
said his daughter released that he was in the hospital,
Like when did.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
He have a kid It's not his biological daughter, it's
his wife's daughter.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Oh okay, Because I was just like, wait a second,
because I thought and this is like side note. I
just read something that like Brian Coberger, I guess in
theory could get married in prison, but he's not allowed
to have conjugal visits.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
I hope, I hope not.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's why I was wondering, like, well, or Menanda's brothers
allowed to have them, Like how was he able to
have a kid if he didn't have a kid when
he entered? But okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I honestly do not know if they can have conjugal
visits or not. They're both married, I believe, uh, the
brother has been divorced maybe twice for having a faarish
or something like he's what is like talking to other people?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
What if he gets out?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Like what if he gets out and the wife like
isn't physically attracted to him like that? I know how.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think that happens a lot. Actually, Like there's these
prison brides. There's a Lifetime show called Prison Brides. I
actually started watching it. I was really into it. I
want to get back into it.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
But it's interesting, right because I feel like like the
way like a guy smells and like stuff like that
is just like important for things. And if you don't
get to have that kind of intimacy, like what if
that you don't like that.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, there's this psychology too that women day prisoners because
they have like major t trust issues and they're locked
up so they can't really do anything.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
And then when they get out, well, when.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
They get out too, it's like he's been in jail
since what nineteen early I think the.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Crime was in nineteen eighty nine, but they weren't.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You're saying trust issues like cheating because they can't, yeah,
which they still can have multiple relationship we're gotting Anyway,
what I'm getting at is he's been in jail since
at least their early nineties, so he hasn't experienced life
for so long, right, Like he might not want anything
to do with her when he gets out because he's like, right,
I haven't even been part of.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
The world and all this technology and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I would guarantee they get a podcast when they get out,
because that would be enormous for them. Why wouldn't they
do that? Make all the money themselves, and I'm sure
they'll get paid a hefty five or a hefty salary,
so they can't they can't do anything like that now, No,
But you know, What really scared me is that I've
read that in the prison that cod and they could
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buy like a tablet that's preloaded with apps so they
could listen to podcasts and stuff. And I really just
hope he never comes across ours.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Ours is low level compared to what other people are
talking about with his case, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But we probably have like fifteen episodes with his name
in the titles. He don't care we're small potatoes, stay
away from us.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
He just wants to be like infamous, and he's not
getting there from us.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So yeah, so confirmed, it's not his biological daughter. It's
his stepdaughter. But I understand where your confusion was coming from.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Okay, So last.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Fall, a seven year old girl was attempting to do
a TikTok trend with a squishy toy when suddenly it exploded,
leaving her in a coma. So this, do you know
what this squishy toy's called.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's called a knee dough.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I I was Lillian.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Pat all right, Well, I wasn't familiar with it, but
it was something When I looked at I was like,
I'm sure Lilian's had it or wants it, because it's
right up Parali.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
She used to get them all the time, and it's
like a it's like a rubber ball that seems like
it's filled with like almost like shaving cream or something.
It was like very squashy. I guess they're filled with
all different sorts of stuff. But this TikTok trend was like,
I'm so annoyed by this case. Actually it's like put
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it in the freezer and then put it in the
microwave to like loot to get it to be more
malleable or whatever. So the kid puts this thing in
the freezer and the dad said, why did you put
that in the freezer? Listen like some of this I'm
reading it and I'm like, this happens to me all
the time. Gabe can can definitely say that this happens
(07:43):
in our house. That you open the freezer and there's
like some weird shit in there that the kids. It's
usually some weird concoction of like you're like, what's that
brown shit in the cop in the freezer? Like what
are you doing with that? It's always something and you're
like it's just it's just HILARI, right. So the dad's like,
why is this thing in the freezer, and then he
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didn't really think anything of it. So the kid puts
it in the microwave and opens the microwave and the
thing frickin explodes, essentially like hot liquid glue all over
her face, and you know if you have hot glue
on you, like he said that, the dad was heard
a blood curdling scream and tried to get it off
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of her, and they couldn't get it off of her
because it was sticking to him and it was sticking
to her everywhere. Brought her to the hospital, which was
a half hour away, So I don't know if they
were living in a more rural area that it would
be quicker for them to drive rather than to call
an ambulance, Like, I'm not sure, but she got to
the hospital and they put her in a medically induced
coma and gave her a tracheotomy tube because they were
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scared that her airwave was going to get so swollen.
Because she got burned around her mouth and inside her
mouth so much, they were like, we're going to put
her in a coma and just let her swelling go
down and like let her breathe through this right now,
which is just so scary. Second third degree burns. For
a while, they were talking about giving her skin graphs,
(09:10):
and they decided against giving her skin grafts. But the
mom is just like, she's probably going to need something
in the future because she's disfigured because of this. Yeah,
and I guess the most annoying part of this article
was that they they somehow were able to contact both
So I guess the kid didn't have a TikTok because
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the first thing I did was sent the story to
Lilian and she's like, why does a seven year old
have TikTok? And I'm just like, dude, it's because the
people got smart and they know little kids aren't allowed
to have TikTok most times. So then they put the
same videos on YouTube, like so the kids saw a
TikTok video on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Okay, So TikTok.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
First of all said they don't allow content that shows
or promotes dangerous behavior. Bullshit, bullshit, because we have a
story of this like once a month at least of
some kind of TikTok thing that went wrong and a
child getting seriously injured or dying. So that's bullshit. And
then YouTube said they kind of basically tried to turf
it and said kids aren't allowed to use YouTube until
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they're thirteen or older and they should be monitored by
a parent, which is their protection because it does say that,
and they also said that they don't allow things like that.
But you're just like, Okay, well, you're like gaslighting me
right now because my kid just saw it on your
platform from the other platform that said you guys don't
do it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I agree with YouTube in the sense of saying, like, well,
we do say you can't watch it. It doesn't mean
people don't do it, but that is in their guidelines.
But TikTok is ridiculous for saying that because that might
be in their guidelines, but they're certainly not monitoring it.
Like how is YouTube going to monitor a child watching
it on their parents' device. They don't know if a
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seven year old or a thirty five year old holding
the phone. But TikTok can certainly take the videos down,
and I see shit every day.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I'm on Yeah, But the same thing can be said
about YouTube too. Why can't YouTube, Well.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
They can take it down too, but they didn't say
we don't show harmful content. They just said, you shouldn't
be watching it unless you're thirteen.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well yeah, And I mean the same could be said
about Instagram because I remember for a while people like
yelling at me and being like, my ten year old
saw this and it's disturbing, and I was just like,
why the hell is your ten year old looking at
my Instagram account or on Instagram not being monitored anyway,
Like that's kind of not my.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Problem, that's that's a parent problem like that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
That's why I'm saying with YouTube, it's like, I think
it's dick to make a comment like that, but at
the same time, like you can't monitor the age of
the person holding the device, especially if it's on the
parent's account. Not to say that adult stuff and harmful
stuff can't get on the kids side of it, but
I'm just putting that out there. Also, I wanted to
say not to not to sound like a boomer, as
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the kids have been loving calling me the.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But back in my day, there used to be a
U Tube channel called is it a good idea to
microwave this? And it was these people that microwaved all
these different types of objects, and I don't want to
say a controlled environment, but they were prepared for explosions
or things catching on fire. And I think that's satisfied
the needs of a lot of young people doing it themselves.
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And that channel doesn't exist anymore. And maybe if they
still existed, in.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
The problem was because somebody got got burned and put
some shit and I you know what the problem with
kids is that you just never know. You never know
what they're going to do that's going to be like
not a good idea. And like I'm telling you, like
two days ago, Lilian's like, Mommy, you're gonna kill me.
(12:44):
Why you're gonna kill me? You're promise you're not gonna
be mad? Okay, And she comes downstairs and like she
decided to like trim her eyebrows and like they're like
missing huge chunks. I don't even understand why she touched
them because they're like perfect in my opinion, And she
quickly realized that they didn't look you know, like it
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was like, oh shit, why did I do that? Like
kids just have to Kids just don't think ahead.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I mean, I think a lot of us sitting here
right now could be like, oh, we got this haircut
and then that was a bad idea or something like that.
Never forget when I trimmed all my baby hairs, which
wasn't that long ago, but that was only like five
years ago. Yeah, she like we were I never We
were at morning Glory Diner and I look over at
her and like, see, we all have these like hairs.
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For those of you that are looking like did like
our hairline starts like way further back, because we have
like baby hairs. And Maria's like looked like the a
razor went to them, And I was.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Like, what did you do? All right?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
So I know that piece gets on your nerves, but
like get it lasered?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I was if I was twelve five years old.
It broke where you get a restaurant? Do you think
I have buddy to get it lasered?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
You were just recently complaining about it.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Though I do hate it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I should I should go get it laser with doctor demitrit'
something like that, or I have to Oh absolutely, I'll
do it.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I'll talk to him. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I was at my friend's wedding and the pictures came
out like a couple of weeks later, and my baby
hair was like plastered to my forehead, so it looked
like I was like super greasy and sweaty. But that's
just how it gets it, Like like right now, the
fact that it stayed like this is a miracle, Like
it's typically like it has a mind of its own.
It just gets wherever it wance. It doesn't matter what
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I do to my hair. But it kept happening to
me in pictures and it was, in my opinion, making
me look like I was like had greasy hair or something.
But it's just what happens, and it pissed me off.
So right before coked, thank god, COVID happened so I
could hide in my house while it grew back out.
But I cut it and it looked weird. I don't
recommend it, but yeah maybe, but if that happens when
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I get it lasered, if it looks weird.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Now, I think that. I think that lots of people
get cause it. Like I can't explain it to you,
but when I'm looking at you right now, it's like
you have the part and then there's like this little
squiggle wave and then it goes straight, like if you
just remove those little hairs along that line, like it'll
just look like like you're trying. This is the problem.
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Like you have curly hair like I do, and when
whenever I used to try to wear my hair straight,
I had the same problem because I have baby hairs
that are curly and it's just like it doesn't go
with the look you're trying to go for.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No, So see how it's sitting now, Like, that's fine
with me. But a lot of times it'll be like,
now we're gonna mess it up. It'll be like, see
when you wear it, when you don't, it'll be like that.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
And that's what bothers me.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, like I feel a line, I feel like and
you probably screwed it up by shaving it.
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So this woman wrote in The Guardian how she was
visiting Tokyo from Thailand. She said, around seven thirty at night,
she went back to her room and she was just
settling in for the night, as people do. She got
a sweatshirt on, but she wasn't a doubt she was
wearing pants. I think she just said she's wearing a
sweatterir in underwear.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So she's sitting in her bed, she says, she's looking
through the train schedule, just chilling out, and about twenty
minutes after she got back to the room, she starts
smelling this really weird smell, which she described as a
dead animal covered in sugar.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
This is like, I was like, this is how Lillian
describes things.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
She told me. She told me the other day that
the cats.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
She said, the cat smelled weird, and I said, why,
she goes, I don't know, she's just been smelling different.
And I'm like, like, what, like, is she not cleaning herself?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Like what she goes?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I don't know how to explain it. And then she says,
I don't want to tell you how to how I
explain it because you'll make fun of me. And I said,
just tell me, and she goes, she smells more hairy,
And now.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm with thousands of people listening where you're making She
just has her She just she just describes smells in
very bizarre ways.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
One time she said that something smelled bad, and it's
smelled like mustard in a box. I'm like, okay, like whatever,
but that's like how specific to be, like dead animal
covered in sugar. Like it's just bizarre.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Mustard in a box. It's a pretty specific odor, Okay.
So she says, she starts felling this dead animal covered
in sugar. So she's looking all over the room. She
can't figure out where the smells coming from. And she goes,
you know what, I'm gonna look under the bed. And
she even said she thought to herself, I hope nobody's
under there. Well guess what somebody was under there. So
she creates her neck to underneath. It sees the eyeballs
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of a man like looking back at her. What's even
scarier is he got out really quickly and obstructed her
from getting out of the door. So she's like inter
sweatshirt and underwear. Standing in the corner of the room.
She starts screaming. She says, he starts screaming, and then
finally he runs out the door and disappears down the hallway.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Like I never even thought of this. No, really, I
just never did. And now you're like, oh, cool, I
guess you should check the little closet they have for
you to hang your stuff up into. I'm sure this
isn't the first time that this has happened.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
No, it's definitely not. I feel like I always I
don't know. I feel like when you check in a hotel,
like the closet doors are typically already opened, so I
don't know, but I would never think to check under
the bed. I in my mind feel like most hotels
have those bed frames that just go to the floor.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah, but I guess this is a possibility. I would
certainly never think it. If he didn't smell so bad,
would she have even known he was under there?
Speaker 1 (19:02):
And I don't know, And she said that he had
I don't know what he had with them, some kind
of weird battery pack, and she whatever he had with
she assumed that maybe he was trying to like record
her or something.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, which is really scary to think. So she calls
the police, and you know, they just don't really seem
too concerned about it. They're saying, there's not very many
cameras in the hotels, so it would be hard to
track him down. She said, while they were in their
screaming math to I guess with each other that she
was staring at his face, trying to memorize all his features,
which is such a smart thing to do if you
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get attacked or anything, or just or part of any crime.
But then they never asked her for a description of him,
which must be just so unsettling that they just seemed
totally ungettered by this. Yeah, exactly. She doesn't know how
he got in the room. She was really scared. She
doesn't know how he knew she was going to be alone.
So was he following her outside?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
I don't know. I think I would definitely leave that
hotel at least.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Well, she did leave the hotel. She got a room
in a new hotel where she made the staff stay
while she checked the entire room, which totally understandable in
my opinion, But she's staying basically at this point, there's
not much information or any updates about her case because
it seems like they just blew it off. It's so
scary to think about, Hugh. I always see these videos online,
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like on TikTok and Instagram of like these women like
what to do when you're staying alone in a hotel room,
and it's like shoving a chair, putting a.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Pretty sound lame though, it's like put a pair of
men's shoes out in the hallway so a guy looks
like they're like, it's just those things are annoying the
shit out of me.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I don't think all that's necessary.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I think that maybe check the closets and now under
the bed and then just make sure the door is
properly locked, like you don't need to be like propping
up furniture and all this crazy stuff under there.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
But it is really scary.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This is totally like worse nightmare, and I'm always gonna
think about now we're staying at hotels. All right, let's
wrap up with this story. So we reported a while
back about a surgeon who removed the wrong organ, which
truly seemed unbelievable at the time we reported it, and
it's happened again.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So the case that we reported last year was that
a guy was supposed to have his spleen removed and
somehow the surgeon accidentally removed his liver, which I don't
even understand how that's possible. And it happened again, and
this is another case that I'm like, I don't even
understand how this happened. So basically this this woman had
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an ovarian syst and she went in to get laparoscopy,
which is when they put a couple incisions in your
belly and they stick a camera in along with surgical
tools and they're able to pull it out through a
small incision. And this type of surgery is done very
commonly on people with ovarian tumors because or ovan an
ovarian mass, because it's not as invasive as having to
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cut open their whole belly to go in, because healing
from that surgery is just so much harder to do.
So sometimes they're able to go in and grab it
and pull it out without having to make a huge decision,
which is what they did in this case. She had
the surgery done and she went home and she was
having such bad like pain, bloating, difficulty urinating, so she
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went it was bad enough that she went back to
the hospital and was thinking that she was having complications
from her surgery. So she go The first thing that
any of the doctors going into the hospital or thinking
are like, Okay, it's possible that the doctor had perforated
one of her organs accidentally during the surgery. Like something
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isn't right according to this woman's symptoms and everything. So
they decide they're going to do an emergency laparoscopy, which
is when they open you up or they go in
with the scope and they look. That's a laparotomy is
when they actually open your whole belly up. But with
the laparoscopy, they're just going in with the camera again
just to look to see, like if we could see
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anything that's like glaringly obviously causing this lady a problem.
And when they go in, they realize that her bladder
is missing, like a large portion of her bladders missing,
to the point where they're like this guy. So the
other surgeon calls in a friend and says, is this
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what I'm really looking at right now?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
They both agree that like a large portion of her
bladder was removed, and so much of it was removed
that they weren't able to take what was left of
it and repair it together to make it whole again.
Because your bladder is it's a hollow organ that your
urytors from your kidneys empty urine into and it stores
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the urine until it's ready to get released. Well, when
you're missing that intact hollow organ to hold the urine,
then you're going to have all of these problems with
your kidneys and everything. You have to have something that's
functioning to get the urine outside of your body. And
that communication was gone. So they immediately called pathology and said,
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when this surgeon did the surgery the other day or yesterday,
whenever he did it, what tissue did he send down?
Did you get ovarian tissue? Because he was supposed to
remove an ovary. Well they look under the microscope and
they're like, no, it's full thickness wall of the bladder,
like he took out her bladder instead. So the ovary
cyst is now still there, and now she is missing
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a bladder, which has led to multiple surgeries. She's gotten
multiple kidney infections. She had to have another major surgery
where they take a piece of the bowel and they
actually reconstruct a bladder out of it, which is something
similar to what they do with patients that have bladder
cancer that have to have their bladder totally removed.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I just really am having a hard time understanding how
this happened, because when I just got surgery a couple
months ago, I had at least three people the surgeon
and like two other people I guess a nurse and
somebody else come in and confirm with me the procedure
I was having done.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh, I don't think it was because they did the
wrong procedure, because what like this was just botch not
knowing what they were looking at anatomy.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But what I'm getting at is like, if all those
people are confirming with you what procedure you're getting, aren't
those people in the room also watching said procedure get
done that nobody at any point was like what are
you doing? Well?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
This is the thing though, like if you're a surgical
tech and not saying that nurses and surgical techs don't
know what they're looking at, because clearly there are some
that probably could do a better job than the surgeons
could do. But number one, you're like a low level
employee compared to the doctor, so you're not going to
argue with what they're doing because a lot of times,
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trust me, in my situation in pathology, I used to
argue with the doctor sometimes tell them that they were wrong,
and it doesn't go well if they don't want.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
To hear that.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Right. But number two, like they're not trained on the
level of the surgeon, and they like I talk about
this all the time, and the lecture that I just
gave in Atlanta, how like things look a certain way
when you take rose anatomy and you're looking at fairly
normal anatomy and you're looking at illustrations, it shows you
the normal way that a uterus and ovaries should look.
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But once you get pathology and you get in the abdomen,
either at surgery, at or autopsy, everything looks completely different.
And if she had a big enough ovarian cyst, it
could have been like stuck to the front of her
bladder and it could have even mimicked her bladder and
looked certain similar and the doctor might have thought that
the bladder was actually the cyst. It was a mistake
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on his part. It wasn't like, oh, he went in
and took out her bladder by accident. Like it seems
like he honestly thought he took out this overian cyst
and took her bladder out by accident.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
This terrifying and didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Even like like And the reason I know that is
because that isn't you would never approach taking out a
bladder with laparoscopically number one and number two. You would
close it up in a certain way, and you would
have a backup plan like Okay, well, what's going to
be used for the temporary bladder until we're able to
reconstruct one or they they have it set up so
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because you're constantly making urine, it has to come out
of your body all day every day, So they have
to figure out a way to get your urine that's
being created in your kidneys out of your body. And
that doctor just like ripped out her bladder and like
left her there to just like have all these unopened
tubes like filling up in her abdominal cavity.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, I hope this guy is still not like he's
at least on hiatus or something well got.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Fired, which is like I guess reassuring, But I mean,
this is this is why medical malpractice has it is
is worth it because cases like this, this is not frivolous,
this is changing something like she had a laparoscopy to
remove an ovarian cyst. There's always gonna be complications that
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are unavoidable, Like you can get infections from getting surgeries
that's really nobody's fault, or you could have a bleeding
issue that maybe again is nobody's fault. But like, this
is an unforeseen complication due to negligence, and this woman's
life is forever changed. And I always think this since
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the beginning of me working in pathology, thinking about having
bladder cancer and what a terrible thing that like when
you have an organ that has to be used all
the time, that has to be surgically removed and replaced,
Like what a like different change of life that would
be for you. And this is he shouldn't have even
been near her bladder. Like it's just bizarre but very weird.
(28:58):
Yeah it is, but this is what happened. And and
like I said, like a surgical tech in the room
might just not have like noticed, she might have noticed
and been like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say
anything because like he's the expert. I'm not you know,
And Ultimately, it's not it's not their responsibility, like they
don't know for sure, they're not trained in that.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
God, that's just like I'm sure anybody that's surgery now
is like super paranoid about it, right, But of course
these cases are rare, so let's try to look at
the positive side there, all right, guys, Well, we will
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Speaker 1 (29:57):
Thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death. As a reminder,
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master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
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