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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're going
to talk about Lily Reinhart and her diagnosis of endometriosis.
What one dad did in a panic when his house
caught on fire. A despicable human being that found a
dead body of a teen and did not report it
and instead decided to rob her. A multimillion dollar lawsuit
awarded to a family that lost their baby after being
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fed col based formula without their consent. And we'll end
the episode with a happy story of a mom who
didn't know she was pregnant. But in this case, we
will forgive her because she actually has a really good excuse.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
All that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
In moral today's episode, let's start with Lily Reinhart's diagnosis
of ende meysis.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, so Lily her is sharing how doctors have
been blowing off her pain for years, only to discover
she had endometriosis and needed surgery. Welcome to the club sis,
because this is what happens with all of us.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It really is. It's like, it sounds so familiar. We
have that happened with May it happened with Maria, it
happened with our other friends, like it happens all the
time it and I mean, part of the reason is
not one hundred percent doctor's fault, because it's very hard
to diagnose endometriosis with imaging, so you could suspect that
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someone has it, but it's it's not as easy as
let's say, doing an ultrasound and seeing if someone has
a fibroid tumor in their uterus. It's very easy to
see on imaging, So I think that that's part of
the reason, But of course the bigger part of the
reason is that like women should have to deal with
so much more pain and just get blown off all
(01:57):
the time.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, I mean, I do totally understand why it's so
hard to diagnose. But at the same time, like from
my experience, I had been telling a doctor about it
for a very long time, kept blowing me off, and
then I feel like within my first consultation at the
fertility place, she was like, this is what I think
you have. So I'm like, why did this one doctor
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figure it out in minutes? Whereas for the last ten
years nobody everybody was like, it's not like that. Your
period's hurt, you know, blah blah blah. And in this case,
it enrages me because she's saying she saw multiple urologists,
gynecologists and went to three different hospitals, not one person
brought up endometriosis. Then she started going to a public
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floor therapist, who then suggested it. So then she went
to an endometriosis specialist who suggested she have the surgery
for it. And even after the endometriosis specialist suggested she
had surgery for it, another gynecologist said, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Think you have it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You should just go on birth control.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So I mean, and this is the thing, because I
feel like a lot of times, at least in my experience,
when you go to certain guynecology doctors, they they like
I feel like they're like really pushers of drugs.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They are such pills.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, and like I mean or the IUD or the
this or the that, right and and like some and
like that's fine if you want to do that stuff,
but I feel like there's not a lot of it alternatives.
At the same time, though, if you do have endometriosis
that's undiagnosed and you take birth control pills, it will
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make your symptoms less. So I feel like a lot
of times they're like, let's just give that because that's
going to make it chill out, and it will. It'll
cause you to have lighter periods, It'll cause you to
have for the most part, less cramps and things like that.
Because endometriosis is the cells inside of your uterus that
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cause your period when they're in another location of your body.
So think about how you feel when you have your
period as far as like the cramping and the bloating
and stuff, and add times ten when those cells are
now present inside the wall of your uterus, or inside
of one of your ovaries, or form a sister around
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your ovary, or growing outside of some of your organs
like your coal and your bladder and things like that.
So every single time you get your period, it's just
going to be like a period on steroids. You're just
getting You're just getting it from all aspects of your
entire abdominal and pelvic cavity in some situations. So these
cells can be present in all sorts of weird things,
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Like in my book, I show a demetriosis in someone's
belly button. I have cases in the gross room of
someone just growing it in a previous C section scar,
so like it could come out into your skin too.
And then every single month like this, especially this woman
that I talk about in my book, every month when
she her period, like the her belly button would bleed
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because she was getting her period, like in her belly button.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh yeah, And I mean I've seen people on TikTok
that like this one girl on TikTok claims she had
it in her lungs and stuff like oh yeah, it's
like crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It's it spreads it so it almost spreads like cancer
can spread, except it's not. It's not really cancer. It's
just like a different kind of a mechanism.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And I think what they don't teach you too is
like so like I had the surgery, Lily Ryanhard had
the surgery, right, but like that's not it like it
keeps growing back. So like well, and this is the
thing because especially if you're because I actually know someone
right now who's that child bearing age who they think
she has endometriosis and they want to put her on
birth control and she doesn't want to go on it.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
She's not ready to have kids yet though. She just
is like kind of anti going on drugs, and I'm like, listen.
The only other thing that they could do for you
at this point is do a laparoscopy, which is when
they cut a hole in your stomach and stick a
camera in there and look around to see if you
actually have it. That's how you could formally get diagnosed,
and then if you do, they could cut some of
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it out. The problem is is that if you're gonna
keep getting your period and having hormones, their chance of
it coming back is high. But the biggest problem is
is that every single time you go into the abdominal cavity,
you could create scars by doing that surgery. And the
last thing you want to do is create scars that
might scar your Filippian tubes that could give you problems.
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Of course, we know in your situation, your endometriosis actually
scarred your Filippian tubes so bad that they had to
get caught out anyway. So it's like you're damned if
you do, damned if you don't. Situation, But just saying, oh,
just give someone a lapiscopy, like, there's risk associated with it.
It's surgery, you could get infection. It's just like I mean,
(06:46):
you had a laparoscopy done. It's not just like a
simple go in the office thing, like it's surgery. It's
not major surgery, but it is surgery and it comes
with risks. So you don't want to get adhesions from
the surgery and you don't want to have any complication
since I come with surgery. I mean you're going under anesthesia.
You got a lot of different things that could happen there.
So it is, it does suck, but I think a
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lot of it is just not really there's not really
a great solution as this point of how to handle
it because it's either the drugs or the surgical intervention.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, I guess, like all right, so like in the
middle of it, though, it's like I'm not saying you
do have to go on birth control at some point,
Like I want to give an example. My doctor said,
so I have my surgery in late March and then
I have my aggratriy val in late May. So if
I didn't go immediately into the IVF cycle, she suggested
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I go on birth control because it chills it out.
It doesn't necessarily prevent it from growing, but it chills
it out so much. So then they were like when
I got pregnant, they were like, well, when after you
give birth, unless you're having back to back kids, you
will need to go on it to chill it out
if you want to chill it out, right. I mean,
it's obviously your choice to go on the medicine, so
the birth control is somewhat necessary with it. But my
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problem with the diagnostics behind it. And I'm fully understanding
about how hard it is to diagnose. But if you're
going to the doctor and you're like, my cramps hurt
so bad that I feel like I have to go
to the hospital every single time at my period, why
aren't they doing anything else except being like, go on
the pill. Yeah, we'll chill it out. But like it's
not solving the problem, it's slowing it down.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mean the thing is is that you can't you
can't really solve the problem. Like it's you know what
I mean, Like I'm telling you you were just in
an unfortunate situation because I feel like for you, obviously,
if you got diagnosed earlier, you might not have had
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the problems with your fallopian tubes. Because you were diagnosed
with stage four endemetrousis like worse ever, and they had
to like scoop your insides out to get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
All my organs were stuck together. Like this is how
bad we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, it was bad, Like it was a long surgery
that required the section of the urrotors and everything like that.
So but the thing is is that also, like I said,
going in and doing the surgery could cause that same
problem for you. So like, really the only solution is
this just for And I don't like to tell people
(09:23):
to go on hormones unless it's necessary, but like I
feel like in this particular case, it's just it's kind
of like the lesser of two evils because you really
don't want to get surgery before you're trying to have
a baby. That's like you're just increasing the risk of
a problem, you know what I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No totally, And like I just think my problem Lise
with like I feel like you just hear time and
time again that you're going and you're being very vocal
about what you're going through, and they're just like totally
like take this pill and stop talking about it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And like also so Lily Ryan Hart, she's young, though
she looks like a younger person of time age right,
And I don't know does she have kids, is she's
planning on having kids whatever, But like she says that
she has an adnomiosis, which is when you have the
endometral cells that are supposed to be on the inside
lining of your uterus are growing now in the muscle
of your uterus. Well, the surgery that she had, a laparoscopy,
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isn't making that go away. She still has that. The
only thing to cure that is a hysterectomy, and like,
clearly she's not going to get a hysterectomy if she
still wants to have kids. So there is going to
be some kind of a false sense of like we
might get rid of some of your symptoms, but like
if it's in your uterine, while, you have to deal
with it until you're done having babies, because we have
to take your uterus out. They could do other procedures,
(10:41):
Like I had a procedure done called endometrial ablation, which
is when they basically stick a branding tool up inside
of your uterus and singe your endometril, ligning burn it.
And that has proved some relief and it did help
me to a certain extent, I didn't even bleed for
a couple years and then really, I mean, it's just
(11:02):
weird because I'm getting into that postmenopausal time too, But
I definitely saw a significant improvement with that procedure, although
I still had such crazy random bleeding all the time
that I rather I wish I'd just got the hysterectomy
when I wanted to get it there. That's another botched story,
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same hospital.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
System, by the way, that we could talk about it another.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Time, but yeah, like it's just like a shitty thing
that women could get diagnosed with.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
There's definitely not like your surgeon that you went to
specializes in that and she could really like help you
have a way better quality of life. And like obviously
whatever she did worked because you got pregnant. But get
I guess the problem is is why is there such
a disconnect with gynecologists getting a woman to a person
(11:58):
like you went to.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well, this is like I feel like I'm so repetitive
with it, but like I had been going to a
traditional OBI qi N office for years and like it
was just exactly like periods hurt, take the pill right,
and like I'm fully like the surgeon told me, I'm
gonna have to be on the pill. I understand that.
I'm not against medicine, like I understand it, but just
(12:19):
like saying that without doing any other further investigation seems irresponsible.
And then the second I switched to a midwife practice
and they actually like actually sit there and listen to you.
And then they're like, I think maybe you should go
to this as specialist and talk to this person and everything.
And then you go to the reproductive specialists and they're like,
I have a friend that specialized in the end to
(12:39):
be triosis. I think you should look at this. And
I'm like, why did it just take fifteen years to
get here?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, I mean it's it sucks, but it's the way
it is. And it's it's like you talk to you
talk to women all the time. I mean, the same
thing happened with me too. I didn't have I didn't
have the.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Pain like you do.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I just had the crazy bleeding at any random time
and like no warning, all over the place, like and
it just presented in a different way with me. But
when I was in the middle of getting my botched hysterectomy,
I had to get a laparoscopy because of another reason,
an emergency one, and when they were in there, they
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were like, oh shit, you got into metrosis all over
the place. And it's like, really, well, I probably have
it on the outside too, which is why I'm bleeding
crazy for no reason all the time.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But the vagina and the uterus are very.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They're very blown off things, and they can have a
lot of things going on, and you just have to
be able to get I mean, you lucked out and
got really good doctors. It seems like she did at
some point. I guess for for cause you and like
Lily Ryan Hard, you're like regular people, right, you don't
know that that you could just make an appointment with
a specialist and go see a specialist, Like that's not
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really your job.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well it's not my and like I'm not a medical person,
so like I'm like, well, I'm being vocal with a
medical professional and they're telling me that it's in my head,
so like what am I supposed to do from there?
I just think it's like again, like I'm fully understanding
about how complicated the whole entire thing is. I just
think it's so ridiculous that you have to be suffering
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so much for somebody to even kind of take you seriously.
And it's like, again, the doctors in this situation did
not take her seriously. The pelvic floor therapist did.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It's just it's just really it's funny because one of
our friends just texted me. I'm not going to say
her name, but she just texted me and said, her daughter.
She feels so bad for her daughter because her periods
are so bad, and you're like part of it. Is
just like guess what, Like you're a woman and this
happens every month and it sucks. And it's just like
(14:50):
I think about that all the time, like what is
it like to be a dude and just like never
have to just know that you have like a solid,
like you know, two to three weeks where your body
feels like your own and it feels good, and then
the other time, it's just like you feel shitty, you
feel dirty, you feel like cranky, you feel you know,
like and it's not like once in a while, like
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it's every single month. It's like every three weeks. You
have to go through that for a long period of time,
and like you just want to go to the doctor
and be like make this go away, make it all
go away. I don't want it to happen anymore. But
then there's limits of what it should be. And if
some people are experiencing it's so so bad, then you
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know they have to be taken seriously and to go
to the person that specializes in that and get blown off.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
It's just like it's annoying for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Well totally, And I mean I don't know. I just
think it's like I just think it's such a ridiculous thing,
and like, hopefully people are being more vocal about it
now and take it more seriously. But all I can
say is like, if you really think you have a problem,
and you really are convinced you of endometriosis, and your
doctor's not taking you seriously, just make the appointment with
(16:08):
the specialist. Because I didn't know that was an option. Agreed,
All right, let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
This dad.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Okay, on Thanksgiving, this fire broke out in an apartment,
but instead of rushing to get his three kids out
of the building, this dad left the house and now
he's the only one that survived.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, so he realized that there was a fire that
started in the kitchen, and he says he panicked ran
out of the house. Well, let's start over from the beginning,
because the story is even really more tragic. Thanksgiving mourning.
This mother spends the day with her three little kids,
two boys and one girl, and then she has to
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send them over their dad's house for Thanksgiving night, and
you know, visitation situation. She sends them over there, they're
all sleeping, they're in the house, and the dad realizes
in the middle of I don't even know if it
was the middle of the night, it was later at night.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, there was a it.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Was early, like he said, the boys went to bed
at nine. He went to bed an hour later.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, so it was like levenish or something. Yeah, So
he realized there was a fire in the kitchen, and
he says he panicked and ran to the next door
neighbor's house to get help. And then when he got
back to the house, the house was like fill of smoke,
and the cops were there and everything already, and they
were like, you can't go in there. And so two
of the kids died then in there. One of them
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survived a little while and went to the hospital and
then died at the hospital. So this mom lost her
three kids. When I mean this is every parent that
has visitation with their kid's nightmare to send to the
dad's house and something like this happened, or I guess
to the mom's house too. So she's kind of like,
this is so shady, like what's going on here? She
(17:52):
kind of thinks that there's more to it. She doesn't know.
They were able to get this guy's phone and they
went through it and they said that there's nothing that
he wasn't doing any weird searches like Brian Walsh like
how do I.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Set my kids on fire in the house?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Like, there was nothing linking that to being a homicidal arson.
So as of right now it's still getting investigated.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well, it is being investigated as an arson and a
potential homicide even though it's phone didn't show anything. But
then information's coming out that there was potentially a lit
cigarette left in the kitchen, which is what started the fire.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, which I think that he admitted to, but he
said that he thought that he put it out.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But he's saying he saw a small fire in the
kitchen and then left to get help. It Just it
doesn't add up to me why you wouldn't just get
the kids out. They weren't super little. They were I
think they were ten nine and seven.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, like just like cream and get them out of there.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Just get them out of the house and they could
stand on the sidewalk while you figure it out, Like
it's not like their babies are there too, and they're
gonna run away.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I think a lot of people don't really realize, like
including myself, because sometimes Gable will be looking at he'll
be looking at a video of something that's on fire
and just be like, like he was saying during the
Los Angeles fires is a good example, because everybody's like.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't understand how that happened. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It was like the very first day that was happening.
And you know, our friend Blue Lips and Santa Monica,
and he was sending us videos of small, a small
fire relatively to what happened, and Gabe said, oh my god,
that's going to be so bad.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
It, like, dude, they could just like go up there
and put some water on it right now, and he's like,
this is so bad. He was just like, this is
so so bad. The whole entire city's going to burn down,
Like he knew it days ahead of time, because he's
a firefighter and he sees that. I think that when
a person sees a small fire, they're like, oh, if
I just run out, get an extinguisher and put it
out like that, they don't realize that within a minute,
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the whole entire downstairs is going to be on fire.
Like it just spreads like wild like wildfire, right, so
like it it is possible. I guess that he's just
a moron, Like, I don't know, it's possible he's an idiot.
It's so terrible for the mother, like I don't I mean,
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And then she said something even so sad in the interview,
just like well, I'm happy they're all together, Like how
terrible is that?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I just can't. I can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
And it just like he's her ex for a reason, right,
She's probably just like you're like such an idiot. But
there could be more to the story, like there's a
girlfriend or you know, like whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I'm just curious what more information comes out. Total
side note, there's a really insensitive meme going around which
is like a helicopter flying over a wildfire. I don't
think it's the Pacific Palisade one and it's like them
dumping one bucket of water on the spoke and it
says what your first mortgage payment feels like?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Does absolutely nothing? All right, Well, it is kind of true.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
This story reminds me of the freak who called into
that radio show a couple of weeks ago. I don't
know if you were feeling the same way. So this
man was walking through the woods, saw a scooter, decided
he was gonna steal it. As he starts stealing it,
he sees the burnt body of a fourteen year old
girl laying there, doesn't do anything about it, and continues
to steal the scooter.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
This whole story is again like outrageous. I can't even
believe it's true. I mean, first, why would there be
a fourteen year old child that burnt body in the
middle of the woods, And what are the chances you
stumble across that? So so think about this girl getting
victimized twice, that her life was so worthless that someone
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brought her in the woods and set her on fire,
and then another human that was totally not in that
whole story stumbled across her burned dead body. And decided
to not call police and to steal her scooter. Yeah,
it's so gross that there's so many people that aren't
even involved that that could be that insensitive and inhumane.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And then proceeds to go home tell his neighbors about it,
and they're like, Hi, call the police, because in general,
you should be reporting a dead body, but especially a
child who have like a homicide missing. Yeah, and it's
a homicide clearly, And he just didn't think to do
it because he was too busy stealing a scooter, Like
what is going on in your life that this is
(22:39):
more important.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You just have to be thankful that his neighbors were like, yeah,
this is not good, Like somebody talks some sense into him.
But I guess. So she was killed by a fourteen
year old. I mean, this is like a two story
and one thing killed by a fourteen year old and
a sixteen year old who are not being tried as
adults because they're kids, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Lord, her in there, shot her many times and then
set her body up and yeah, so it's just like
and where'd they get it gone?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
And just everything and you set somebody's body on fire like.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's just so, it's so gross.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
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All right, So, a couple of years ago, a premat
where baby died after being served col based formula and
now the family has been awarded a thirty two million
dollars settlement from the hospital.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
So apparently this baby was born premature at twenty seven weeks,
which is very very early. So one of the things
there's so many different things to consider when a baby
is born premature because they're not done cooking yet right there,
lung tissue isn't mature enough. Well, also their GI track
isn't mature enough either, and they're at risk for something
(24:22):
called necrotizing anaerrocolitis, right, And what that is is that
the bell is just not it's just not strong enough
the bacteria and there isn't it's not ready yet, it's
not mature. The bacteria isn't the normal colonization that we
would have as if a baby was born even older.
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And this increases the risk of there being a lot
of inflammation in there. And what happens is the inflammation
could be so bad that it causes portions of the
bell to die and put a hole in the bow
wall that could spill all of the poop into the
abdominal cavity, which then could to a really serious infection,
sepsis and death. It's like a big risk factor for
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premature birth. And one of the things that's considered to
be a preventative measure is breast milk and babies that
are fed formula or at a higher risk of having
this particular condition. Now, the parents were very hardcore that
they wanted to breastfeed the kid, and they didn't want
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to give the kid cow's milk because of this potential complication,
and they voiced their concerns and at some point the
baby wasn't gaining weight properly, and they said, we want
to add a fortifier to your breast milk in order
to like bulk the baby up. And they never told
the parents that that fortifier that they were adding to
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the breast milk was cow's milk based, and in turn,
this baby got the necrotizing anaerocolitis, had complications, had a perforation,
died as a result of it. So the judge has
decided that there was a product that was not col's
base that could have been used to fortify the breast
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milk that was human based, and that this particular university
hospital didn't have it and they could have easily had
access to it and they didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Well that and they said that if they also weren't
going to get it, they should have transferred the child
to another facility that did carry it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, so they they I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I mean, I feel like that's something simple that like
might have been in the chart that they just were
like or or they just totally blew off the parents' wishes.
And maybe they have evidence that they did blow off
the parents' wishes.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, they clearly had enough evidence to give them
this large settled.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And I mean and like one point nine million dollars
of it was because of you know, just the hospital
bills and stuff like that, but the bulk of the
money is because of the pain and suffering that they
went through with it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And it's it's it.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I'm actually happy about it because they really should respect
your wishes and tell you and you don't know, as
like a non medical person when they're like do this
to like what like if what was the point of
her even breastfeeding at that point, like just give the
kid formula if you're gonna basically give it to them anyway,
you know, like and she didn't know anything about it
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and didn't have a choice over it, which is messed up.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Will they really encourage you now to like even in
the pregnancy journal, I keep tracking my symptoms and stuff,
like they really encourage you to hand over a written
birth plan which is basically just like everything you want
so that you have evidence basically of exactly what you
want done and what you don't want.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, exactly. And it's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's a it's actually a good idea for the hospital too,
because there can be situations where the hospital, like we
had a situation once we had an autopsy once where
a woman did not want to be induced and she
was like forty two weeks pregnant. She didn't want to
be induced, and they were like, we really want to
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induce you. She didn't want to do the drugs and
she was like, I want to do something natural, like
nipple stimulation could could set off a childbirst sometimes and
it wasn't working right, But she said that she didn't
want to do it, and then the baby died and
we had to do the autopsy on it. And there's
a because the baby had a muconium aspiration and ended
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up dying because of that, right, So, and that's just
from being in there too long. That's why they don't
They don't want to let it go that long. That's
why they wanted to induce and blah blah blah. So
that's good for the hospital too, because that's not the
hospital's fault. That was her fault for denying, you know.
So like I think it would be good for both
parties to just have that in writing and it would
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just you know, everybody's on the same page, and then
if anything happens, you know who to blame.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, And that's why they kind of pushed to have
dulas too, because I guess Adula like, really the kids
for what you want, and it's I mean, I have
you who has no problem being pushy, so like, I'm
not worried about that, but some people don't aren't familiar
with the medical environment, and it is good to have
somebody in your corner that's pushing for me you want,
I agree, all right. So a woman was said to
have surgery to remove a twenty two pound tumor from
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her uterus, and during the routine testing before the surgery,
doctors were shocked to find a full term, eight pound
baby hiding bind.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So she had this ovarian cyst that she knew about
for a while, and all of a sudden it started
getting bigger, I'm assuming, to the point where she looked
like she was pregnant because it was pushing out so much.
So she decided she was finally gonna get it surgically
removed and went to get the testing. And one of
the blood work that they do is to test to
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see if you're pregnant, because they don't want to do
surgery on a pregnant person, right, they do it, and
the pregnancy test is positive. But sometimes, especially when you
have an ovary tumor, there's certain kind of tumor that
secrete the hormone HGG human choreonic gonadotropin, which is the
same pregnancy hormone. So tumors that have set like embryonic cells,
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like a germ cell tumor of the ovary, sometimes they
could test positive on a pregnancy test. Even men that
have certain tumors can get a positive pregnancy test if
they have these certain kinds of hormone producing tumors. So
I don't think that they really thought much of it
at the time because they thought that it could have
possibly been linked to this ovary, this large ovary mass
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that she had, and sure enough they figured out that
she had this rare abdominal pregnancy, which is it's so
so rare. But we've talked about it a couple different
times on this show. Recently we had we talked about
I don't know if it was a week or two
ago when we talked about the first case ever of
an abdominal pregnancy on the liver. Yeah so now yeah so,
(30:57):
and how incredibly rare that was in that baby act
survived too. So one of the things that I was
mentioning in that episode was that when the baby's inside
the abdomen, it's not protected in this this fortress of
like uterus wall muscle that's a big pillow around the baby,
protecting it so that the placentas implanting directly on wherever
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it's implanting inside the abdomen. And there's just like this
huge risk of bleeding associated with it, and it's such
a high risk pregnancy and delivery. So they had a
couple surgeons and they did they did the surgery, remove
the baby, the babies alive and well, and they removed
the tumor as well, and it was huge, huge ovarian
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cyst cystic tumor. They didn't mention what that ended up being.
I don't know if it was. I mean, they could
be benign, or they could be malignant, or they could
be kind of what's called borderline. They could be kind
of like an in between kind of tumor. But aside
from that, they think that the reason that she thought
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that the ovarian mass was getting bigger wasn't because it
was actually getting bigger. It's because she had a full
term baby growing behind it that was like pushing it
out more.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
That is crazy, and they were saying it took thirty
doctors between delivering the baby, removing the cyst, making sure
they were safe.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I mean, I'm telling you, like, she could have bled
to death and they had to give her like a
lot of units of blood. She really could have bled
to death and it could have killed both of them.
And that's I mean, think about being a doctor that
delivers babies for a living. You certainly don't want to
send a parent home without their significant other and their baby.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Like that's just terrible.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
So and and I mean it's it's also super exciting
for the doctors because what a rare, weird case to happen,
and it all, I mean, this baby was eight pounds. Yeah,
And the coolest part is is that she was she
was very excited about it because she did want to
have another kid and thought that this ovary too was
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like a reason that she couldn't have another kid and
all this stuff. And then here she's just like didn't
even know she was pregnant. And that's why we say
she had a good excuse. It's like one of the
rare times she actually has a good excuse. And it's
cool because she just kind of like has a baby
now that's all ready to go and didn't even know
about it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Oh my god, it's crazy. All right, guys, Well, today
was supposed to be our holiday spectacular episode, but as
we know, the news was crazier than ever. So hopefully
we can get to that next week. But you never know,
because it doesn't seem like it's slowing down anytime soon.
We have a really cool show coming up in New
York City in February. We will be releasing more details
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Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're going
to talk about Lily Reinhart and her diagnosis of endometriosis.
What one dad did in a panic when his house
caught on fire. A despicable human being that found a
dead body of a teen and did not report it
and instead decided to rob her. A multimillion dollar lawsuit
awarded to a family that lost their baby after being
(00:43):
fed col based formula without their consent. And we'll end
the episode with a happy story of a mom who
didn't know she was pregnant. But in this case, we
will forgive her because she actually has a really good excuse.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
All that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
In moral today's episode, let's start with Lily Reinhart's diagnosis
of ende meysis.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
All right, so Lily her is sharing how doctors have
been blowing off her pain for years, only to discover
she had endometriosis and needed surgery. Welcome to the club sis,
because this is what happens with all of us.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It really is. It's like, it sounds so familiar. We
have that happened with May it happened with Maria, it
happened with our other friends, like it happens all the
time it and I mean, part of the reason is
not one hundred percent doctor's fault, because it's very hard
to diagnose endometriosis with imaging, so you could suspect that
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someone has it, but it's it's not as easy as
let's say, doing an ultrasound and seeing if someone has
a fibroid tumor in their uterus. It's very easy to
see on imaging, So I think that that's part of
the reason, But of course the bigger part of the
reason is that like women should have to deal with
so much more pain and just get blown off all
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the time.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, I mean, I do totally understand why it's so
hard to diagnose. But at the same time, like from
my experience, I had been telling a doctor about it
for a very long time, kept blowing me off, and
then I feel like within my first consultation at the
fertility place, she was like, this is what I think
you have. So I'm like, why did this one doctor
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figure it out in minutes? Whereas for the last ten
years nobody everybody was like, it's not like that. Your
period's hurt, you know, blah blah blah. And in this case,
it enrages me because she's saying she saw multiple urologists,
gynecologists and went to three different hospitals, not one person
brought up endometriosis. Then she started going to a public
(02:43):
floor therapist, who then suggested it. So then she went
to an endometriosis specialist who suggested she have the surgery
for it. And even after the endometriosis specialist suggested she
had surgery for it, another gynecologist said, I don't.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Think you have it.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
You should just go on birth control.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So I mean, and this is the thing, because I
feel like a lot of times, at least in my experience,
when you go to certain guynecology doctors, they they like
I feel like they're like really pushers of drugs.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They are such pills.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, and like I mean or the IUD or the
this or the that, right and and like some and
like that's fine if you want to do that stuff,
but I feel like there's not a lot of it alternatives.
At the same time, though, if you do have endometriosis
that's undiagnosed and you take birth control pills, it will
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make your symptoms less. So I feel like a lot
of times they're like, let's just give that because that's
going to make it chill out, and it will. It'll
cause you to have lighter periods, It'll cause you to
have for the most part, less cramps and things like that.
Because endometriosis is the cells inside of your uterus that
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cause your period when they're in another location of your body.
So think about how you feel when you have your
period as far as like the cramping and the bloating
and stuff, and add times ten when those cells are
now present inside the wall of your uterus, or inside
of one of your ovaries, or form a sister around
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your ovary, or growing outside of some of your organs
like your coal and your bladder and things like that.
So every single time you get your period, it's just
going to be like a period on steroids. You're just
getting You're just getting it from all aspects of your
entire abdominal and pelvic cavity in some situations. So these
cells can be present in all sorts of weird things,
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Like in my book, I show a demetriosis in someone's
belly button. I have cases in the gross room of
someone just growing it in a previous C section scar,
so like it could come out into your skin too.
And then every single month like this, especially this woman
that I talk about in my book, every month when
she her period, like the her belly button would bleed
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because she was getting her period, like in her belly button.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh yeah, And I mean I've seen people on TikTok
that like this one girl on TikTok claims she had
it in her lungs and stuff like oh yeah, it's
like crazy.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It's it spreads it so it almost spreads like cancer
can spread, except it's not. It's not really cancer. It's
just like a different kind of a mechanism.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And I think what they don't teach you too is
like so like I had the surgery, Lily Ryanhard had
the surgery, right, but like that's not it like it
keeps growing back. So like well, and this is the
thing because especially if you're because I actually know someone
right now who's that child bearing age who they think
she has endometriosis and they want to put her on
birth control and she doesn't want to go on it.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
She's not ready to have kids yet though. She just
is like kind of anti going on drugs, and I'm like, listen.
The only other thing that they could do for you
at this point is do a laparoscopy, which is when
they cut a hole in your stomach and stick a
camera in there and look around to see if you
actually have it. That's how you could formally get diagnosed,
and then if you do, they could cut some of
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it out. The problem is is that if you're gonna
keep getting your period and having hormones, their chance of
it coming back is high. But the biggest problem is
is that every single time you go into the abdominal cavity,
you could create scars by doing that surgery. And the
last thing you want to do is create scars that
might scar your Filippian tubes that could give you problems.
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Of course, we know in your situation, your endometriosis actually
scarred your Filippian tubes so bad that they had to
get caught out anyway. So it's like you're damned if
you do, damned if you don't. Situation, But just saying, oh,
just give someone a lapiscopy, like, there's risk associated with it.
It's surgery, you could get infection. It's just like I mean,
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you had a laparoscopy done. It's not just like a
simple go in the office thing, like it's surgery. It's
not major surgery, but it is surgery and it comes
with risks. So you don't want to get adhesions from
the surgery and you don't want to have any complication
since I come with surgery. I mean you're going under anesthesia.
You got a lot of different things that could happen there.
So it is, it does suck, but I think a
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lot of it is just not really there's not really
a great solution as this point of how to handle
it because it's either the drugs or the surgical intervention.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, I guess, like all right, so like in the
middle of it, though, it's like I'm not saying you
do have to go on birth control at some point,
Like I want to give an example. My doctor said,
so I have my surgery in late March and then
I have my aggratriy val in late May. So if
I didn't go immediately into the IVF cycle, she suggested
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I go on birth control because it chills it out.
It doesn't necessarily prevent it from growing, but it chills
it out so much. So then they were like when
I got pregnant, they were like, well, when after you
give birth, unless you're having back to back kids, you
will need to go on it to chill it out
if you want to chill it out, right. I mean,
it's obviously your choice to go on the medicine, so
the birth control is somewhat necessary with it. But my
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problem with the diagnostics behind it. And I'm fully understanding
about how hard it is to diagnose. But if you're
going to the doctor and you're like, my cramps hurt
so bad that I feel like I have to go
to the hospital every single time at my period, why
aren't they doing anything else except being like, go on
the pill. Yeah, we'll chill it out. But like it's
not solving the problem, it's slowing it down.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I mean the thing is is that you can't you
can't really solve the problem. Like it's you know what
I mean, Like I'm telling you you were just in
an unfortunate situation because I feel like for you, obviously,
if you got diagnosed earlier, you might not have had
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the problems with your fallopian tubes. Because you were diagnosed
with stage four endemetrousis like worse ever, and they had
to like scoop your insides out to get rid of it.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
All my organs were stuck together. Like this is how
bad we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, it was bad, Like it was a long surgery
that required the section of the urrotors and everything like that.
So but the thing is is that also, like I said,
going in and doing the surgery could cause that same
problem for you. So like, really the only solution is
this just for And I don't like to tell people
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to go on hormones unless it's necessary, but like I
feel like in this particular case, it's just it's kind
of like the lesser of two evils because you really
don't want to get surgery before you're trying to have
a baby. That's like you're just increasing the risk of
a problem, you know what I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
No totally, And like I just think my problem Lise
with like I feel like you just hear time and
time again that you're going and you're being very vocal
about what you're going through, and they're just like totally
like take this pill and stop talking about it.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And like also so Lily Ryan Hart, she's young, though
she looks like a younger person of time age right,
And I don't know does she have kids, is she's
planning on having kids whatever, But like she says that
she has an adnomiosis, which is when you have the
endometral cells that are supposed to be on the inside
lining of your uterus are growing now in the muscle
of your uterus. Well, the surgery that she had, a laparoscopy,
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isn't making that go away. She still has that. The
only thing to cure that is a hysterectomy, and like,
clearly she's not going to get a hysterectomy if she
still wants to have kids. So there is going to
be some kind of a false sense of like we
might get rid of some of your symptoms, but like
if it's in your uterine, while, you have to deal
with it until you're done having babies, because we have
to take your uterus out. They could do other procedures,
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Like I had a procedure done called endometrial ablation, which
is when they basically stick a branding tool up inside
of your uterus and singe your endometril, ligning burn it.
And that has proved some relief and it did help
me to a certain extent, I didn't even bleed for
a couple years and then really, I mean, it's just
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weird because I'm getting into that postmenopausal time too, But
I definitely saw a significant improvement with that procedure, although
I still had such crazy random bleeding all the time
that I rather I wish I'd just got the hysterectomy
when I wanted to get it there. That's another botched story,
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same hospital.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
System, by the way, that we could talk about it another.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Time, but yeah, like it's just like a shitty thing
that women could get diagnosed with.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
There's definitely not like your surgeon that you went to
specializes in that and she could really like help you
have a way better quality of life. And like obviously
whatever she did worked because you got pregnant. But get
I guess the problem is is why is there such
a disconnect with gynecologists getting a woman to a person
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like you went to.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well, this is like I feel like I'm so repetitive
with it, but like I had been going to a
traditional OBI qi N office for years and like it
was just exactly like periods hurt, take the pill right,
and like I'm fully like the surgeon told me, I'm
gonna have to be on the pill. I understand that.
I'm not against medicine, like I understand it, but just
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like saying that without doing any other further investigation seems irresponsible.
And then the second I switched to a midwife practice
and they actually like actually sit there and listen to you.
And then they're like, I think maybe you should go
to this as specialist and talk to this person and everything.
And then you go to the reproductive specialists and they're like,
I have a friend that specialized in the end to
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be triosis. I think you should look at this. And
I'm like, why did it just take fifteen years to
get here?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, I mean it's it sucks, but it's the way
it is. And it's it's like you talk to you
talk to women all the time. I mean, the same
thing happened with me too. I didn't have I didn't
have the.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Pain like you do.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I just had the crazy bleeding at any random time
and like no warning, all over the place, like and
it just presented in a different way with me. But
when I was in the middle of getting my botched hysterectomy,
I had to get a laparoscopy because of another reason,
an emergency one, and when they were in there, they
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were like, oh shit, you got into metrosis all over
the place. And it's like, really, well, I probably have
it on the outside too, which is why I'm bleeding
crazy for no reason all the time.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
But the vagina and the uterus are very.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
They're very blown off things, and they can have a
lot of things going on, and you just have to
be able to get I mean, you lucked out and
got really good doctors. It seems like she did at
some point. I guess for for cause you and like
Lily Ryan Hard, you're like regular people, right, you don't
know that that you could just make an appointment with
a specialist and go see a specialist, Like that's not
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really your job.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Well it's not my and like I'm not a medical person,
so like I'm like, well, I'm being vocal with a
medical professional and they're telling me that it's in my head,
so like what am I supposed to do from there?
I just think it's like again, like I'm fully understanding
about how complicated the whole entire thing is. I just
think it's so ridiculous that you have to be suffering
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so much for somebody to even kind of take you seriously.
And it's like, again, the doctors in this situation did
not take her seriously. The pelvic floor therapist did.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
It's just it's just really it's funny because one of
our friends just texted me. I'm not going to say
her name, but she just texted me and said, her daughter.
She feels so bad for her daughter because her periods
are so bad, and you're like part of it. Is
just like guess what, Like you're a woman and this
happens every month and it sucks. And it's just like
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I think about that all the time, like what is
it like to be a dude and just like never
have to just know that you have like a solid,
like you know, two to three weeks where your body
feels like your own and it feels good, and then
the other time, it's just like you feel shitty, you
feel dirty, you feel like cranky, you feel you know,
like and it's not like once in a while, like
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it's every single month. It's like every three weeks. You
have to go through that for a long period of time,
and like you just want to go to the doctor
and be like make this go away, make it all
go away. I don't want it to happen anymore. But
then there's limits of what it should be. And if
some people are experiencing it's so so bad, then you
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know they have to be taken seriously and to go
to the person that specializes in that and get blown off.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
It's just like it's annoying for sure.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Well totally, And I mean I don't know. I just
think it's like I just think it's such a ridiculous thing,
and like, hopefully people are being more vocal about it
now and take it more seriously. But all I can
say is like, if you really think you have a problem,
and you really are convinced you of endometriosis, and your
doctor's not taking you seriously, just make the appointment with
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the specialist. Because I didn't know that was an option. Agreed,
All right, let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
This dad.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Okay, on Thanksgiving, this fire broke out in an apartment,
but instead of rushing to get his three kids out
of the building, this dad left the house and now
he's the only one that survived.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, so he realized that there was a fire that
started in the kitchen, and he says he panicked ran
out of the house. Well, let's start over from the beginning,
because the story is even really more tragic. Thanksgiving mourning.
This mother spends the day with her three little kids,
two boys and one girl, and then she has to
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send them over their dad's house for Thanksgiving night, and
you know, visitation situation. She sends them over there, they're
all sleeping, they're in the house, and the dad realizes
in the middle of I don't even know if it
was the middle of the night, it was later at night.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, there was a it.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Was early, like he said, the boys went to bed
at nine. He went to bed an hour later.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, so it was like levenish or something. Yeah, So
he realized there was a fire in the kitchen, and
he says he panicked and ran to the next door
neighbor's house to get help. And then when he got
back to the house, the house was like fill of smoke,
and the cops were there and everything already, and they
were like, you can't go in there. And so two
of the kids died then in there. One of them
(17:32):
survived a little while and went to the hospital and
then died at the hospital. So this mom lost her
three kids. When I mean this is every parent that
has visitation with their kid's nightmare to send to the
dad's house and something like this happened, or I guess
to the mom's house too. So she's kind of like,
this is so shady, like what's going on here? She
(17:52):
kind of thinks that there's more to it. She doesn't know.
They were able to get this guy's phone and they
went through it and they said that there's nothing that
he wasn't doing any weird searches like Brian Walsh like
how do I.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Set my kids on fire in the house?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Like, there was nothing linking that to being a homicidal arson.
So as of right now it's still getting investigated.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Well, it is being investigated as an arson and a
potential homicide even though it's phone didn't show anything. But
then information's coming out that there was potentially a lit
cigarette left in the kitchen, which is what started the fire.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, which I think that he admitted to, but he
said that he thought that he put it out.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But he's saying he saw a small fire in the
kitchen and then left to get help. It Just it
doesn't add up to me why you wouldn't just get
the kids out. They weren't super little. They were I
think they were ten nine and seven.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, like just like cream and get them out of there.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Just get them out of the house and they could
stand on the sidewalk while you figure it out, Like
it's not like their babies are there too, and they're
gonna run away.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I think a lot of people don't really realize, like
including myself, because sometimes Gable will be looking at he'll
be looking at a video of something that's on fire
and just be like, like he was saying during the
Los Angeles fires is a good example, because everybody's like.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't understand how that happened. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It was like the very first day that was happening.
And you know, our friend Blue Lips and Santa Monica,
and he was sending us videos of small, a small
fire relatively to what happened, and Gabe said, oh my god,
that's going to be so bad.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And I'm looking at.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
It, like, dude, they could just like go up there
and put some water on it right now, and he's like,
this is so bad. He was just like, this is
so so bad. The whole entire city's going to burn down,
Like he knew it days ahead of time, because he's
a firefighter and he sees that. I think that when
a person sees a small fire, they're like, oh, if
I just run out, get an extinguisher and put it
out like that, they don't realize that within a minute,
(20:04):
the whole entire downstairs is going to be on fire.
Like it just spreads like wild like wildfire, right, so
like it it is possible. I guess that he's just
a moron, Like, I don't know, it's possible he's an idiot.
It's so terrible for the mother, like I don't I mean,
(20:24):
And then she said something even so sad in the interview,
just like well, I'm happy they're all together, Like how
terrible is that?
Speaker 1 (20:31):
I can't imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I just can't. I can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
And it just like he's her ex for a reason, right,
She's probably just like you're like such an idiot. But
there could be more to the story, like there's a
girlfriend or you know, like whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, I'm just curious what more information comes out. Total
side note, there's a really insensitive meme going around which
is like a helicopter flying over a wildfire. I don't
think it's the Pacific Palisade one and it's like them
dumping one bucket of water on the spoke and it
says what your first mortgage payment feels like?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Does absolutely nothing? All right, Well, it is kind of true.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
This story reminds me of the freak who called into
that radio show a couple of weeks ago. I don't
know if you were feeling the same way. So this
man was walking through the woods, saw a scooter, decided
he was gonna steal it. As he starts stealing it,
he sees the burnt body of a fourteen year old
girl laying there, doesn't do anything about it, and continues
to steal the scooter.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
This whole story is again like outrageous. I can't even
believe it's true. I mean, first, why would there be
a fourteen year old child that burnt body in the
middle of the woods, And what are the chances you
stumble across that? So so think about this girl getting
victimized twice, that her life was so worthless that someone
(21:54):
brought her in the woods and set her on fire,
and then another human that was totally not in that
whole story stumbled across her burned dead body. And decided
to not call police and to steal her scooter. Yeah,
it's so gross that there's so many people that aren't
even involved that that could be that insensitive and inhumane.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And then proceeds to go home tell his neighbors about it,
and they're like, Hi, call the police, because in general,
you should be reporting a dead body, but especially a
child who have like a homicide missing. Yeah, and it's
a homicide clearly, And he just didn't think to do
it because he was too busy stealing a scooter, Like
what is going on in your life that this is
(22:39):
more important.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
You just have to be thankful that his neighbors were like, yeah,
this is not good, Like somebody talks some sense into him.
But I guess. So she was killed by a fourteen
year old. I mean, this is like a two story
and one thing killed by a fourteen year old and
a sixteen year old who are not being tried as
adults because they're kids, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Lord, her in there, shot her many times and then
set her body up and yeah, so it's just like
and where'd they get it gone?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
And just everything and you set somebody's body on fire like.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's just so, it's so gross.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
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All right, So, a couple of years ago, a premat
where baby died after being served col based formula and
now the family has been awarded a thirty two million
dollars settlement from the hospital.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
So apparently this baby was born premature at twenty seven weeks,
which is very very early. So one of the things
there's so many different things to consider when a baby
is born premature because they're not done cooking yet right there,
lung tissue isn't mature enough. Well, also their GI track
isn't mature enough either, and they're at risk for something
(24:22):
called necrotizing anaerrocolitis, right, And what that is is that
the bell is just not it's just not strong enough
the bacteria and there isn't it's not ready yet, it's
not mature. The bacteria isn't the normal colonization that we
would have as if a baby was born even older.
(24:43):
And this increases the risk of there being a lot
of inflammation in there. And what happens is the inflammation
could be so bad that it causes portions of the
bell to die and put a hole in the bow
wall that could spill all of the poop into the
abdominal cavity, which then could to a really serious infection,
sepsis and death. It's like a big risk factor for
(25:05):
premature birth. And one of the things that's considered to
be a preventative measure is breast milk and babies that
are fed formula or at a higher risk of having
this particular condition. Now, the parents were very hardcore that
they wanted to breastfeed the kid, and they didn't want
(25:26):
to give the kid cow's milk because of this potential complication,
and they voiced their concerns and at some point the
baby wasn't gaining weight properly, and they said, we want
to add a fortifier to your breast milk in order
to like bulk the baby up. And they never told
the parents that that fortifier that they were adding to
(25:47):
the breast milk was cow's milk based, and in turn,
this baby got the necrotizing anaerocolitis, had complications, had a perforation,
died as a result of it. So the judge has
decided that there was a product that was not col's
base that could have been used to fortify the breast
(26:07):
milk that was human based, and that this particular university
hospital didn't have it and they could have easily had
access to it and they didn't get it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Well that and they said that if they also weren't
going to get it, they should have transferred the child
to another facility that did carry it.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, so they they I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
I mean, I feel like that's something simple that like
might have been in the chart that they just were
like or or they just totally blew off the parents' wishes.
And maybe they have evidence that they did blow off
the parents' wishes.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I mean, they clearly had enough evidence to give them
this large settled.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And I mean and like one point nine million dollars
of it was because of you know, just the hospital
bills and stuff like that, but the bulk of the
money is because of the pain and suffering that they
went through with it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
And it's it's it.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
I'm actually happy about it because they really should respect
your wishes and tell you and you don't know, as
like a non medical person when they're like do this
to like what like if what was the point of
her even breastfeeding at that point, like just give the
kid formula if you're gonna basically give it to them anyway,
you know, like and she didn't know anything about it
(27:20):
and didn't have a choice over it, which is messed up.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Will they really encourage you now to like even in
the pregnancy journal, I keep tracking my symptoms and stuff,
like they really encourage you to hand over a written
birth plan which is basically just like everything you want
so that you have evidence basically of exactly what you
want done and what you don't want.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, exactly. And it's a good idea.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's a it's actually a good idea for the hospital too,
because there can be situations where the hospital, like we
had a situation once we had an autopsy once where
a woman did not want to be induced and she
was like forty two weeks pregnant. She didn't want to
be induced, and they were like, we really want to
(28:05):
induce you. She didn't want to do the drugs and
she was like, I want to do something natural, like
nipple stimulation could could set off a childbirst sometimes and
it wasn't working right, But she said that she didn't
want to do it, and then the baby died and
we had to do the autopsy on it. And there's
a because the baby had a muconium aspiration and ended
(28:28):
up dying because of that, right, So, and that's just
from being in there too long. That's why they don't
They don't want to let it go that long. That's
why they wanted to induce and blah blah blah. So
that's good for the hospital too, because that's not the
hospital's fault. That was her fault for denying, you know.
So like I think it would be good for both
parties to just have that in writing and it would
(28:49):
just you know, everybody's on the same page, and then
if anything happens, you know who to blame.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, And that's why they kind of pushed to have
dulas too, because I guess Adula like, really the kids
for what you want, and it's I mean, I have
you who has no problem being pushy, so like, I'm
not worried about that, but some people don't aren't familiar
with the medical environment, and it is good to have
somebody in your corner that's pushing for me you want,
I agree, all right. So a woman was said to
have surgery to remove a twenty two pound tumor from
(29:17):
her uterus, and during the routine testing before the surgery,
doctors were shocked to find a full term, eight pound
baby hiding bind.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
So she had this ovarian cyst that she knew about
for a while, and all of a sudden it started
getting bigger, I'm assuming, to the point where she looked
like she was pregnant because it was pushing out so much.
So she decided she was finally gonna get it surgically
removed and went to get the testing. And one of
the blood work that they do is to test to
(29:47):
see if you're pregnant, because they don't want to do
surgery on a pregnant person, right, they do it, and
the pregnancy test is positive. But sometimes, especially when you
have an ovary tumor, there's certain kind of tumor that
secrete the hormone HGG human choreonic gonadotropin, which is the
same pregnancy hormone. So tumors that have set like embryonic cells,
(30:10):
like a germ cell tumor of the ovary, sometimes they
could test positive on a pregnancy test. Even men that
have certain tumors can get a positive pregnancy test if
they have these certain kinds of hormone producing tumors. So
I don't think that they really thought much of it
at the time because they thought that it could have
possibly been linked to this ovary, this large ovary mass
(30:33):
that she had, and sure enough they figured out that
she had this rare abdominal pregnancy, which is it's so
so rare. But we've talked about it a couple different
times on this show. Recently we had we talked about
I don't know if it was a week or two
ago when we talked about the first case ever of
an abdominal pregnancy on the liver. Yeah so now yeah so,
(30:57):
and how incredibly rare that was in that baby act
survived too. So one of the things that I was
mentioning in that episode was that when the baby's inside
the abdomen, it's not protected in this this fortress of
like uterus wall muscle that's a big pillow around the baby,
protecting it so that the placentas implanting directly on wherever
(31:18):
it's implanting inside the abdomen. And there's just like this
huge risk of bleeding associated with it, and it's such
a high risk pregnancy and delivery. So they had a
couple surgeons and they did they did the surgery, remove
the baby, the babies alive and well, and they removed
the tumor as well, and it was huge, huge ovarian
(31:39):
cyst cystic tumor. They didn't mention what that ended up being.
I don't know if it was. I mean, they could
be benign, or they could be malignant, or they could
be kind of what's called borderline. They could be kind
of like an in between kind of tumor. But aside
from that, they think that the reason that she thought
(32:00):
that the ovarian mass was getting bigger wasn't because it
was actually getting bigger. It's because she had a full
term baby growing behind it that was like pushing it
out more.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
That is crazy, and they were saying it took thirty
doctors between delivering the baby, removing the cyst, making sure
they were safe.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I mean, I'm telling you, like, she could have bled
to death and they had to give her like a
lot of units of blood. She really could have bled
to death and it could have killed both of them.
And that's I mean, think about being a doctor that
delivers babies for a living. You certainly don't want to
send a parent home without their significant other and their baby.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Like that's just terrible.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
So and and I mean it's it's also super exciting
for the doctors because what a rare, weird case to happen,
and it all, I mean, this baby was eight pounds. Yeah,
And the coolest part is is that she was she
was very excited about it because she did want to
have another kid and thought that this ovary too was
(33:00):
like a reason that she couldn't have another kid and
all this stuff. And then here she's just like didn't
even know she was pregnant. And that's why we say
she had a good excuse. It's like one of the
rare times she actually has a good excuse. And it's
cool because she just kind of like has a baby
now that's all ready to go and didn't even know
about it.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Oh my god, it's crazy. All right, guys, Well, today
was supposed to be our holiday spectacular episode, but as
we know, the news was crazier than ever. So hopefully
we can get to that next week. But you never know,
because it doesn't seem like it's slowing down anytime soon.
We have a really cool show coming up in New
York City in February. We will be releasing more details
about that soon, but don't miss out on those tickets
(33:42):
because it's gonna be great. Also, would be a great
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Speaker 3 (34:01):
Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
(34:26):
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on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day, and the opinions expressed
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Speaker 2 (34:58):
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