On today’s MKD, we start the week discussing the Minnesota church shooting, an unusual incident at an amusement park, an update on the familicide case we discussed last week, a botched birth settlement, high levels of cocaine found in water, and a funeral director who took babies' bodies home.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have lots of
news stories to get into with you guys this week. Obviously,
by now we've all heard about the horrific school shooting
(00:30):
in Minnesota. Well, a bullet fragment has been found in
one of the children who went viral after saying his
friend laid on him, so we are going to talk
about that. We'll also get into another viral moment captured
on film this week at Hershey Park, an update on
a story we brought to you last week about a
mother who killed her children and her husband and herself,
(00:51):
a family that was awarded nearly one billion dollars because
of hospital negligence, high cocaine levels in the water in
a fancy beach. And we'll get into this really gruesome,
bizarre story about a funeral director who was taking babies home.
Then we'll finish off the episode with your questions. All
that and more. On today's episode, Let's get started with
(01:14):
this horrific Minnesota shooting. Like I honestly, I don't even
really want to talk about it. We've been avoiding a
lot of these mass shootings because they're so they're just
so scary as a parent and just as a human
living in America. So but I think that this particular
(01:34):
part of this story has interest.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah. I mean, we got into this in our YouTube
live more in discussion about it on Friday, but you know,
we talked about it for about a half hour and
we just got to a point where we really, this
is so sad. We just don't want to keep getting
into it, and we can't possibly cover every single one
that happens. But what we covered on the YouTube was
just the basic facts, but what went down, and then
this manifesto from the shooter that had been posted online
(01:59):
in how disturb that was. And of course we have
to focus on the young victims. Who is eight year
old Fletcher Merkele and ten year old Harper Moyski. They
were killed in the incident. Eighteen others, including fifteen kids
and three adults, were injured. So one kid, Weston, he's
in fifth grade. He has gone viral on the news
and talked about how his friend shielded him and ended
up getting hit and as part of the interview, he
(02:20):
was saying he thought he had gunpowder on his neck,
but that ended up being a bullet fragment that just
missed a vital artery.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, so I don't know exactly how that went down
as far as them bringing him to the hospital, but
he did because was I mean, I would assume that
that interview wasn't directly after the shooting occurred, right, It
had to be some time later, So there was some
point that they decided to bring their son to the
(02:50):
hospital to get checked and if he didn't have anything,
I mean, he had to have some kind of an
entry wound of some sorts in order for the fragment
to get inside of his body. But what happened was
when they did imaging, they saw that it was within
millimeters of his carotid artery, which as we know, is
(03:12):
the largest artery that is bringing blood right from the
heart to the brain. And if that gets severed in
any way, a person can die at the scene just
because of massive blood loss. So he's just extremely fortunate
to have survived this and still had to get surgery
(03:32):
to remove this shrapnel metal fragment from his neck. But
luckily it's not going to cause him any long term complications.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's just like horrific that you know, this kid already
has to go through this, and obviously he wasn't the
full bullet didn't go in his body, thank goodness. But
you know, he still has to get surgery, he still
has to go through the trauma of being in the
room that they the trauma of his friend shielding him
and getting shot as well. It's disgusting to even think about, Well,
the kid that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Was sitting next to him is one of the children
that got killed right next to him. I mean, these kids,
I just like, that's the worst part of this whole story.
I was saying this on the YouTube live that I
felt like the most horrible part of hearing this story
is that kids are talking and saying One of the
(04:22):
kids said that they they didn't know what to do
because they had prepared for this if someone came into
their school and shot them, but it didn't. They weren't
prepared for church. They didn't have any drills in church.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And I'm sure that's going to change.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And just like and and my kids today, even dropping
my kids off at school today, we were talking about
there being all this grass that wasn't utilized and my
kids are like, oh, yeah, well, we go out there
when we do shooter drills and bomb drills. It's just like,
why is this the world that we're living in right now?
So whatever, I don't even want to talk about it
(05:00):
because it's just like it's just like talk talk, talk,
and nothing ever gets done from both sides. Really, it's
just so frustrating, and you know, we're just gonna hear
about it again in a couple of weeks and then
we're all going to be enraged, and it's just like
a horrible cycle of abuse. So we're wishing all of
those children, well, it's a shame that all of these
(05:23):
kids have to deal with this. I mean, this isn't
the only kid that's undergoing surgery to remove a bullet
from their body. It's just it's absolutely terrible, and like,
how do you even go on after this? I don't know,
But let's go move on to a little and equally
is disturbing thing, maybe but a little bit lighter. As
(05:43):
far as this video that was going viral, it's almost unbelievable.
I watched it so many times because you're like, what
would happen if you were just sitting there and you
saw something like this.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, so at Hershey Park, this kid got separated from
his parents, somehow entered a secured area and was later
seen by many videos taken walking around on the monorail
tracks at the park.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's just it's it's such an outrageous video to watch.
You just can't even believe that you're looking at it
with your eyes. And the coolest part is is that
this guy that was there, this dad solid and just
like somehow, like within seconds, got to the roof of
a nearby building and was able to climb up on
the rail and get this kid. Now, my first thing
(06:27):
when why I was watching this is obviously this kid
holds this kid like five or six years old. Yeah, young,
he's a little kid. So obviously just think about it.
If for those of you that haven't seen the video,
think about like the monorail system at Disney World. It
kind of like looks like a similar track to that.
And so it's obviously it's very high up and you're thinking, Okay,
(06:51):
this kid is walking on this, it's very thin. You're
just afraid that the kid's gonna fall. In general, not
even knowing like why a child would be up there
by themselves anyway. But my other concern was the guy
going up there because typically these things have a third
roil that is the electricity source for them to move,
(07:15):
and you can get electrocuted if you go near one
of those things. I don't know if this particular train
had a setup like that, but it has to move somehow, right,
and luckily it was off and not working that day,
so hopefully that's you know, that's why it wasn't on.
But people should definitely not be going anywhere near that thing.
(07:36):
So the kid, I just was thinking, Oh my god,
this kid's going to get electrocuted. This guy is going
to get electrocuted. Like it's just it's so scary and
really kind of unacceptable how it all went down.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, because the parents were saying they reported him missing
around five o'clock and this whole thing went down over
a half hour. That's a long time for a child
to be missing. Think about that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But like her, she park put out a statement and
they they didn't really it just didn't really seem like like.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
They aren't accepting the blame for it. They were taking
responsibility for a child being able to access a secured
area so easily and get on a train track.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They say, like the child was missing only twenty three minutes.
That's they said that in a statement, and then they
said the quote long time, right, Yeah, that's that's what
I was thinking. And then it says, quote, we are
grateful for the vigilance of our guests and the swift
response of our team. No, your team didn't do shit, dude.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
No, A good Samaritan climbed up on the roof that
Like maybe they got people together afterwards and stuff, but
like the team, what did the team do exactly?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't really know, so whatever, but and we'll remain
committed to maintaining highest level of guest safety throughout Hershey Park.
And then it said it's reviewing how the boy was
able to access the closed monorail area.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, I was thinking about this all the times we've
been to Disney, right, like, how are they fully securing
that area? They can't fully shut it down. It's an
open space. They just put a little chain over the
walk way, right, of course, so what are they doing
They're really secure the area? I mean kids can climb,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'm just more disturbed because what if it was working
not only the electricity being worked on and that just
being a risk, but just on moving car like that,
like they the monorail car can't just like stop like that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Well, I guess the argument is that if it was working,
there would be so many people around that the kid
wouldn't have been unsupervised and able to get on the
track for so long. But it's just ridiculous in general.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean this, this guy should get all of
the credit all all all.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The mean park absolutely s not be getting any of
the credits.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I was sitting there thinking, like if that happened to us,
that would be something that Gabe would do, Like he
would one hundred percent. I mean think about that. Most
people wouldn't do something like that. No, not at all
because they don't want to be I'd be scared to
climb up on a roof, let alone. I mean, he
just went up there and grabbed that baby like like
it was nothing. Not scared of heights, nothing, It just
(10:24):
was amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, did he also know that the train wasn't running? No,
that's what's saying.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
He probably didn't know that the electricity wasn't on either,
Like it, I mean, it just was like an instinctual
thing that he did and you just watch it. But
like I'm kind of disturbed. By this in a way.
I ultimately, I guess parents are in charge of watching
their kids and stuff, but yep, like I don't know.
It just kind of bothers me.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
As a person who was lost at the pumpkin festival
at four years old, I would say, it's mamma ble noo,
and she's gonna be upset for us bring it up.
And I'm sure we've talked put it on here before.
But you know, it's as simple as you're in a
busy space, a kid could turn around. It doesn't necessarily
mean you're a shitty parent, but like, no, yeah, no,
the point that they're trying to say it was only
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twenty three minutes, I mean, on another episode this week,
we're going to talk about the influencer Emily Kaiser, whose
son drowned. He was only, if you want to use
the word only out of his father's site for seven
to nine minutes, and look how that ended up, so
exactly only twenty three minutes. Only twenty three minutes is
an extremely long time for a child to be missing.
(11:32):
Thirty seconds is a really long time for a child
to not be in your sights.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So anyway, I mean, all this all ended well thank God,
and this is going to be I mean we talk
about this in the gross room sometimes because sometimes we
have these outrageous accidents that happen to kids where it's
like the scariest thing ever, but they end up surviving.
And then you think about when they're older and then
bringing it up. I mean, this is on video. Imagine
(12:00):
bringing this up to your kid when they're seventeen years
old and be like, oh, remember that time you went
viral for being on the monorail and someone saved your life,
you know, like, and every news source was talking about it.
It's just it. It'll be funny in a couple of years.
Just right now, it's a little bit of a sore
spottom shore.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Is this this decade's balloon boy incident of sorts?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
That thing was outrageous, that story at some point, well and.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Netflix thing just dropped about it, and Ricky never heard
of it, which I just couldn't believe. And then I
was like, well, you know, the parents like allegedly made
it up. Right, It's good. It's a good hour show.
But yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. Okay,
last week we talked about this mother who killed her
husband and two of her three children, who were eight
and six years old, before killing herself. The toddler was
(12:46):
unharmed and he's currently in the care of other family members.
And we went over that prior to the deaths, the
husband had been diagnosed with brain cancer. I think in
that original conversation we were speculating as to what happened
as far as was it some post partum thing. Wasn't
just being overwhelmed with the diagnosis of the brain cancer.
Some of the grocery members had pointed out that it
(13:07):
could just be you know, a lot of people are
caretakers and it's incredibly overwhelming and they could go through
deep depression because of that. Well, now it turns out
the mother was accused of stealing over six hundred thousand
dollars from her work just a week before.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, so obviously this has a huge impact on the story. Correct.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, yeah, and I say a week before. So a
police report was filed a week before, But she had
only been accused a short amount of time before this
went down, and then she wasn't providing the records to
her boss or not giving any information. Finally, she turned
over bank records, which they said were clearly doctored, and
then they filed the police report, and then a week
later the murder suicide happened.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, and from a business owner perspective, it kind of
sucks for him because he knew that her husband had
just been diagnosed with brain cancer and she had little
kids and everything like that. But at the same time,
she stole six hundred and sixty thousand dollars from him.
Like I'm sorry, Like I don't care if I mean,
have compassion for people, but I'm not going to just
(14:12):
let someone steal money like that from me because their
husband has and actually we need to mention that this
money was stolen before her husband was diagnosed with cancer.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, I was just gonna say that. So she started
writing herself personal checks in twenty twenty three, which they
were saying was well before the husband was diagnosed with cancer,
so she had just been doing it anyway, And then
when they confronted her with the information, she just offered
no explanation at all. It took weeks for them to
get any bank records from her, which they're saying were
clearly doctored, and then they felt they had no choice
(14:43):
to put the file of police report, which is a
shitty position to be in as an employer because obviously
you want to trust your employees. And then, like you're saying,
they know she's going through this horrific thing in her house,
but you can't just let somebody steal money because they're
going through something.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
She And the weird thing is that she worked for
a chicken wing company. It's not like they it's not
like they make billions of dollars and it's it's like, oh,
I'm just gonna skim some off the top, like an
office space situation, you know, like distractions of a penny. No,
like like six hundred and sixty thousand dollars over the
(15:20):
course of two years is a noticeable chunk of money
missing that people would notice.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, So it seems like they were going through with
an accountant in June and realized this chunk of money
missing and that it was going to her. So that's
when they confronted her. And you know, this boss still
is remaining in a positive I think he still looks
good at the end of this because he's saying at
this point he doesn't even want the money back, he
just wants it to go to the surviving child.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, which which is really nice. I mean, he probably
feels he might feel a little terrible about bringing this
up because obviously it might not be the only reason
that she did this, but she might have felt like
a compounding my world is ending kind of a thing,
and that along with the cancer. But it does make
(16:09):
more sense now. I mean, obviously, if your husband gets
diagnosed with cancer. We were talking about this last week,
if your husband gets diagnosed with cancer and you have
little kids, it's terrible, but like life will go on
and some people just get really depressed about it or whatever.
But like now it kind of makes a little bit
more sense why it was so drastic With the.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Facts we have in front of us. At this point,
this guy cannot blame himself for this event happening. I mean,
she was doing something wrong for years, and it's not
like she felt like she had to steal the money
to help pay for her husband's cancer, as established she
was doing before.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Exactly like and that still isn't even right, but at
least you might say, okay, well.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
You understand a little more, but it's still a crime.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's like, listen, she's kind of being a scumbag like that.
It's the bottom line, like she's dead whatever, shouldn't speak
about the dead, but like that's what was going on,
and she created all like that problem stealing money in general,
but just like she wasn't even doing it good, Like
you just can't steal money from people like that, and
they wouldn't realize it because six hundred and sixty thousand
(17:14):
dollars over two years, three hundred thousand dollars, Like you
think somebody's not going to notice that that much money's missing,
and then it's all like a paper trail.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This isn't like one hundred years ago where you could
like exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Bizarre. And then on top of it, which is actually
interesting too because assumingly this this couple is is just
wasn't what did she do for a profession the way? Yeah,
it wasn't. Didn't we talk about that last time that
because we were talking about like one of them not
working or whatever. But regardless, let's just just assume that
(17:50):
their they're average middle class income people, right, what like
her bringing over the course of two years is an
additional six hundred thousand dollars into her life untaxed by
the way, which is like a person making over a
million dollars like her husband, her family, like nobody noticed
(18:12):
that she had all this extra money.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, we don't know how she was spending it, I
guess at the end just because like why like why
would she steal it to dash it away?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Like it's just weird. The whole thing is just is fishy,
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean clearly there was a lot of issues going
on because obviously you wouldn't a normal person would not
steal from their employer at all. We're not talking about
stealing like no pads, like I stole from your house yesterday. Sorry,
but you know, like this is this is a lot
of money. So you have that going on, and then
you have this horrible situation with the illness, and then
(18:48):
you think the only solution is to kill your whole family. Yeah,
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So this next story I actually posted in my Instagram
story this week because of quotes made by the judges,
and one of which was quote, this woman would have
been better delivering this baby in a bathroom at a
gas station or a hut somewhere in Africa instead of
(20:09):
in this hospital. Like wow, it's I actually put it
on my Instagram story that this judge must be listening
to Mother Knows Death because I say that about especially
my one childbirth, that I would have been safer if
I was I usually say squatting by a tree, but well,
I was thinking that immediately when seeing this headline, that
(20:31):
somebody like you that went through a really horrific delivery
with Lillian must feel a type of way about this
and must feel some kind of joy that this family
not joy at what they went through, obviously, but that
you know, justice is on their side and they're getting
the largest settlement in Utah history over this bots delivery
of their child. But of course that doesn't make up for,
(20:52):
you know, the hardship their daughter's going to face the
rest of her life. And that's and that's with us, like, like,
thank god, there was no long term affect on either
of us as far as we know, right, but this
poor family. And listen, like, whenever I've talked to people
about what happened to me when I had Lillian, especially,
(21:14):
a lot of people have similar stories a lot, and
but it's just by luck that you survive and you're fine.
And then it kind of like all of what I
went through was completely swept under the rug because I
didn't die and my daughter didn't die or have any
long term health effects. Therefore nobody knows about it.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, they're even an incident report about what we know.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I doubt it. I doubt it. That's that's how it
goes down. So with this particular mother, I don't even
understand how this happens. And maybe some of you that
work in labor and delivery could help us with this,
but apparently there were nurses working there that were trying
to induce this woman who had just finished training. I
(22:05):
don't really understand what that means exactly, Like, are they
new grads from nursing school.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I think what they're trying to elude is that the
nurses that were on staff that they had just barely
graduated from school before getting hired there. They hadn't really
gone through that much training. And the doctor overseeing them
was not in the room because he had been sleeping
in another room of the hospital while they were in
charge of this woman and giving her drugs.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You know what really sucks for these parents. They were
actually from Wyoming and they decided to take a little
short trip before they had this baby, and which I
don't think is a problem because as a person living
in America at least, you kind of have this false
(22:56):
sense of security. I guess I would say that any
hospital that you walk into would be able to deliver
your baby if you were to go into labor early.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well that should be the case.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Like the most common thing they do is deliver babies.
It should be the bread and butter of their industry.
It should be you know, and there's always complications with
deliveries and pregnancy that are sometimes out of the doctor's hands,
for sure, But I can imagine that this family, these
parents beat themselves up every day over this because they
(23:31):
just wanted to have like a little trip and ended
up at a hospital. If they would have just stayed home,
things might have been different for their entire life, because
now their daughter has seizures so bad to the point
where they have to sleep in bed with her every
night because they're scared that she's going to die in
her sleep. She's just not developing normally as she should be,
(23:55):
and there was no indication that that would have happened
prior to this botch delivery.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, everything you read about this case just seems unacceptable.
They're saying they gave her these labor inducing drugs and
that the baby's blood pressure was getting high, the mom
was having a fever, and they just were kind of
blowing it off. The baby was not born until the
next day. This lawsuits alluding that the mother clearly needed
a sea section and they were blowing her off. I
don't really understand, because I haven't been through this how
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this process works, but like, what is the timeline supposed
to be. I'm assuming if there's any issues coming up
at all, with the baby having issues or the mom
having issues, they would just go straight to a sea
section because it would be too dangerous to wait.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
The only thing that I could think of is that
there wasn't I mean, there was a doctor there apparently.
I don't know if the doctor was there the whole time,
but there had to be a situation where listen, I
don't know, I'm trying to find like an excuse, and
I just I can't. I'm thinking, like, if there's a
(24:59):
situation where there's just not a doctor available to do it,
but even a general surgeon could if a baby or
mother's life's in changer, Like someone knows how to get
a baby out of as out of a stomach via
C section. You're not in the middle of of of
another third world country that doesn't have access to healthcare,
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Like it's it's just completely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I imagine that protocol in most cases is that there needs
to be at least not one, but a few people
on staff at all time that would know how to
do this in case of an emergency.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, I mean, so the interesting thing is, so this
is a couple of notes I wanted to make about
this particular case, So this hospital system has to pay
them almost one billion dollars. Yeah, okay, which is a
lot of money. Isn't it kind of crazy that a
hospital can pay out a lawsuit settlement of a billion
(25:56):
dollars and still be able to remain a thing.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, I think in a normal case, yes, But they
were saying later in this article that they're probably not
even going to get half of this settlement because this
medical center has filed for bankruptcy, So are they even
going to see this money?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't know. It's just really listen, like the money
will be helpful for them, especially if she has to
be monitored like this because of seizures, that maybe they
could hire a person to come so they can get
a good night's sleep or something, or go out on
a date or just like live their life for the
rest of their life. All of the care that's going
(26:37):
she's going to require, but like, it still doesn't it's
still not changing anything. And it's scary to think this
just happened in two thousand and twenty.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
This wasn't twenty nineteen that the box delivery happened, and
they filed the lawsuit in twenty twenty one. So still
all this time and they still you know, there's a
lot of stress to be on a family that went
through this and has a kid that actively needs to
be monitored all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, and it's I mean, it is satisfying for the
judge to say, like to reiterate your feelings on how
bad things were, but it's like none of it changes anything.
And you hear about these things all the time, and
you're just like, I don't even twenty nineteen, it was
(27:20):
before the pandemic, because think you could think like maybe
it was during the craziness of COVID and there were
short staffed and nobody wanted to come to work, Like
there's no excuse. There's just no excuse.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Going back to your comment though about you know, them
having a million dollars or almost a billion dollar settlement
in it not affecting a hospital. It's just, you know,
the greater conversation of the outrageous nature of health care
in this country. Think about a couple of weeks ago,
I had a teeny tidy reaction to MRI contrast, and
we had to go to the emergency room. We were
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in the waiting room probably for an hour and forty
five minutes. And how long were we back there? Not
even fifteen minutes? Yeah no, And they said go home
and take a ben a drill. Right, that was my
whole entire emergency room visit. I just got a bill
that I owe three hundred and fifty dollars and if
I didn't have health insurance, it would have been like
four grand. Think about this.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, for them to tell me, I really actually don't
understand that because they didn't do anything to you except
take your blood pressure. That's all they physically did to you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, this is what I'm talking about. But this is
why these hospitals have this much money. So if they do,
in fact, get a billion dollar settlement for malpractice, oh whatever,
because they're getting all this other money from people like
me that they just say go home and take a
bend a drill. They didn't even give me a ben
a drill.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
They didn't. That's actually it's really interesting because all of
our I mean obviously we dealt with the people that
checked us into the hospital or into the emergency room.
So you dealt with like clerical staff, and then you
were brought back to a triage nurse and they took
your blood pressure and asked you some quiet us and
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then that was it as far as medical intervention goes.
And then a physician came and told you that you
could leave. There was no testing done, nothing, no blood
we're talking about nothing. I was there the entire time.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
They didn't give me a pill. I were like, well,
four thousand dollars for a talk, Like, think about how
ridiculous anyway. I just think because of things like that,
they're they're getting hundreds, if not thousands of dollars from
people like me, you know, and then when there's cases
like this in most cases obviously this hospital ended up
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filing for bankruptcy, but I don't think this would be
a ding to most hospitals.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Right, It's just like it's just so much money. It's
I mean, and I know just from working in a
hospital that the amount of waste. So it's just it's
just really you would just think that that kind of
money would would cripple. Well, this is this is another
great part of the story. So the hospital got obtained
by another hospital and now they're they changed their name.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh yeah, so nobody would so nobody could trace it
back that it happened there like that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's always alarming. I guess if you live in an
area and the hospitals are changing names and stuff, you
might want to look into into that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
There is a question I want to post to you though.
Is the hospital liable for having bad hiring practices and
bad protocols or are the nurses and the sleeping doctor liable?
Like why not go after those people individually? Are you
going after I think they did.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think they were even trying to ask the people
who were involved in the lawsuit. So each person in
that like for us as a PA and pathology, we
in particular don't have to have malpractice insurance because we're
covered underneath of the pathologists in the hospital. But in
that situation, the nurses might not have to have their
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own insurance, although I'm not sure all of that, but
they definitely would fall underneath of the doctors that they
work for, who definitely have to have it. So the
individuals are all in short as well as the institution.
But you can't one hundred percent because we don't know
the whole story. And I know nurses that I'm best
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friends with that are constantly working short staffed because of
the hospital's fault. So if something were to happen to
one of their patients, Like ultimately it would be their fault.
But at the same time, it's like the hospital isn't
supplying them with the amount of help they need. And
if you have one nurse taken care of triple the
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patients that they should be, then like there's going to
be mistakes made. So it could have been a situation
like that, Like obviously this person won, so the hospital
and the staff were in the wrong. We just don't
know exactly, like like why was that doctor sleeping because
he worked three days in a row without any help,
like you know what I mean, Like things like that,
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So there might be more to the story that we
just don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, and you know, hopefully this family does see some
of that money. It's not like they went after them
for no reason. They have lifelong medical bills. Now, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Right, let's talk about this story is a little bit
more fun, I would say. All right, So in Nantucket,
a couple of years ago, they started testing the water
to see if there was COVID spikes in the region,
which is that even necessary in general? But since then
they've gone on to do other tests, including drug tests,
and they see in this newer test that there are
very high levels of cocaine in the water. Yeah, it's
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actually really interesting. I've been to Nantucket, so I could
speak about this a little bit. I thought it was
it was very cool, like it's always cool to have
to put your car onto a ferry and go somewhere.
And I'm just trying to think, actually when we went there,
I don't even know. I feel like we did that
for Martha's Vineyard, but I think for Nantucket we just
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took the ferry over and we rented a car for
the day because I don't even know if you can
bring your car there or maybe you have to preserve it.
I don't really remember. But dude, Nantucket is like a
whole different world as far as like compared to the
Jersey Shore and stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's like course.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Mood show money, It's beautiful. It's just it's just like
a whole different vibe of anything that we've seen in
New Jersey at least for sure. And you know, obviously
like I felt completely out of place with my family,
Like everybody there is super just like very white and
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clean cut and their vineyard vine shirts and they're Lily
Pulitzer outfits and and then like we just don't necessarily
fit that mold. So we felt very like, okay, this
isn't cool. We actually so we went to visit the
We go to look at lighthouses all the time, and
we met like Peter Benchley's you like, ran the lighthouse there.
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He was really cool actually though, so so that was
my cool part of Nantucket. But I could see it's
like it seems like it's like very snobby, very clicky,
very money and like and and with that comes cocaine
and apparently very good cocaine because the water left the
water levels are showing high levels of cocaine but very
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low levels of things like vent and all and stuff
that you would find in like when people aren't getting
good shit, and these people are getting sure, they're getting
very pure cocaine and fifty percent higher levels in Nantucket
water than the rest of the water around the United
States that gets treated. So it's really it's really really interesting.
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And there's there's low levels of of like trashier drugs
like meth and likerings like yeah drank stuff like that.
So it's it's just like it's cool because they said, wait,
hold on, let me look at this really quick because
this is interesting. So it says that, so let me
say how many people live there. There's fourteen to fifteen
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thousand residents there all year, but they said they could
get up to eighty thousand visitors. But they're saying that
the water, it appears that the water is that they
test it is coming from almost three fourths of the
homes on the island. Okay, so they're trying to say
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that they're able to test. This is like, it's kind
of weird because it seems like an invasion of privacy.
But overall they can't tell whose house it's coming from,
but they can test like do like a regional drug test.
Almost so of the water of three fourths of the island,
there's these high levels of a cocaine from like personal
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use from homes. So they're either rentals or they're people
that live there. But it's you know, when I went
and visited, I didn't sleep over. There's a lot of
people that just because you could take the ferry, you
just go for a couple hours and then you leave.
So this is specific to people that are either living
there or there for the summer, or they're renting, but
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it's coming from the houses it is. It is just
such just it's interesting, and they can't like they're saying,
they're not invading privacy because they can't pinpoint it to
whose house it is. It's just like a generalized pool
of water. But it's cool. It's it's cool in the
sense scientifically because let's say you came to our town
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in New Jersey, you would definitely find a different composition
of drugs in the water here as opposed to there,
and then other places, you know what I mean, like
different places. It's just it's it's something that's kind of
I don't know, I just think it's like it's kind
of interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Did you also see this cool fact that they were
saying before a drug raid most of the time will
shut the water off so that, uh, whoever's in the house,
they can't flush any drugs.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Like Loreina Broco and Goodfellas.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, like they can't, they can't do it at all.
They just have to whatever they put down the toilet
they'll be able to get so they can't get away
with it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, So it was interesting because they were saying like
sometimes the water could have so so there was the
biggest cocaine drug bust recently in Nantucket where this guy
had five and a half pounds of cocaine. Right, So
let's say that guy it didn't get caught with that
and he flushed it down the toilet, right. Well, obviously
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the water is going to have a high concentration of cocaine.
So they were saying that that could affect it sometimes,
but they were saying that they don't think that's the
case in this case because it was spread out over
such a long period of time that it didn't seem like, Okay,
the levels were this, and then all of a sudden,
one day after a drug bust, it was like this
high and now they went back to this. It's been
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like high the whole time, and it's just it's just
interesting to think about, like what groups of people use drugs,
and it's it's just very telling of that whole entire
scene that I witnessed there. Although I will say I
ate at this really crazy. It was like a weird restaurant.
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It was kind of like outside on a lawn, and
I had the like it was the best food. It
was so so so good.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It better be for what it cost to go visits
was it was just like lobster like a lobster Roles situation,
like all of this like super fresh seafood and stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
But it was so awkward because Gabe and I were
like sitting it was like a green field and all
of these like white umbrellas and we're sitting there at
a table like amongst all of these people.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
And you're wearing black, looking like a beef.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
But let me yes, but let me tell you that
that that the Eventually dude I don't remember his first name,
and I feel really rude even saying that, but he
was so awesome, Like we went to the lighthouse. He
like brought us there and talked to Gabe for like
an hour and he was just so cool and we
were and he's been like obviously like his family is
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in that whole you know, Cape Cod Island situation because
of Jaws and everything like that, like they lived there
and they He was like super cool, but some of
the other people were like definitely, I felt like Julia
robertson Pretty Woman when they're like, we don't have anything
for you here.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Christy Ars. I just read this really good book. It's
a fiction book called The Wedding People, and it's set
in a similar climate like that. But the narrator of
the story is going through just how like douchey the areas,
and she's like, they even have a coconut pillow at
this hotel, and then I'm like, I kind of want that.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I don't know, it was definitely, it was definitely like that,
Like we stuck out like a sore thumb like listen
and I would love to. I mean it was. It
was beautiful, like the hydrangea in the houses, and we
just drove around and it just was so so so nice.
I mean, I see why people want to go there
and do cocaine.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
To be honest, I can see cocaine as such like
an eighties drug. I'm like, who does it anymore? And
especially who does it with ventanyl going around? But I
guess if you had enough money, that's not a concern
for you because there was not very high ventanyl levels
in the water.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
So yeah, I never I never got cocaine either. But
to each his own.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
An interesting observation. Okay, So this last story we have today,
This listener from the UK sent this in and said,
it's not really a huge story over there, which I
can't believe because you know, every week we get super
disturbing stories and I don't want to say like summer
worse than the others, but this is definitely up there.
So back in twenty twenty one, this woman's baby died
at three weeks old due to brain damage, and a
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loved one suggested using this company called Flory's Army, which
specialize in babylaw support and fewnroals. So this company was
set up by this woman, Amy Upton in twenty seventeen
after her daughter was stillborn. They offer free hand prints, photographs,
baby clothing, and dedicated funeral services for babies. So this
child who passed away was picked up by somebody on
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behalf of Florrie's Army. The next day, the mom goes
to visit and is horrified to see that her dead
child is propped up in a baby bouncer. Quote watching
cartoons with this woman that founded this funeral company.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I mean this shit is weird. Listen, I'm gonna
say this. I know a couple of people throughout my
life that have either had a stillborn or lost a baby,
either I know them directly or indirectly through other people,
and the reaction that differ everyone's reaction to death is different,
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and we know this even when adults die and people
that are ninety years old die. Everybody's reactions different. And
I know of a couple of people who have had
a baby die or a stillborn and they they're just like,
this sucks, but they move on with life and they're
just kind of you know, going on as normal. And
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then others that like just completely go off the deep
end and never really, I don't want to say anybody
ever gets over it, but never it is still in
that moment of of of like the intensity of the
new death and not, you know, five years later, just
like completely detached from reality in a way of like
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things moving on right, yeah, and not judging anyone, because
I can't imagine that I would probably be more in
that category if it happened to me, for sure. But
so this lady had a stillborn and started this organization
for people that lost babies, which is which is great.
A lot of times when people have a huge law
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like that, they start some kind of organization to not
only help them, but to help other people too. And
I don't know what happened, but there appears there had
been a lot of complaints over the years, and this
woman had a very unusual attachment to dead babies and
had it in a freaking bouncer watching PJ masks a
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dead a dead baby like well, and even the mother
of that dead baby was like, this is freaking weird.
This is weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And then she's looking around the room and she sees
another dead child on the couch, and then there's just
like animals all over the house too. So you're you know,
you're first of all going through the trauma of just
having lost a baby, and then you're trying to do
anything you can agree to give this child some respectful
burial of sorts. And you walk into this lady's house
(43:53):
and see you're kase she's watch PJ Masks with us.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
It was like that, like that's what happened. She didn't
even it wasn't like she was trying to hide it.
She didn't think it was weird.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
She didn't think it was weird at all.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, and that's like a detachment from reality. There's something
mentally going on there, and.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
There's the other dead child on the couch.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Well, probably someone else, someone else that she was dealing
with from another hospital. So the question comes up because
and this is the UK, so I don't know how
they do things over there. But as far as here
goes like, you can't just go to you can't just
go to the hospital and pick up a dead body.
There has we We wouldn't release the body unless it
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was to a funeral director or to the medical examiner's
office or to you know, So, who is this? What's
the name of her organization?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's Florie's Army, which in my head, her name's Amy,
and I keep seeing Amy an army, and I know
at some point I'm going to mispronounce it, but the
company's called Florie's Army because I think her daughter that
was still born's name was Floren.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
So even if there's organizations that do things like that
in America, they wouldn't really release the body to that person.
They would release it to a funeral home and then
go from there. So when they pulled the records, it
seems as if she had some kind of affiliation with
some funeral home because they did release the body to
a licensed funeral director. So I don't know what that
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what's going on with that relationship, But apparently in the UK,
the funeral director the funeral businesses in general aren't very regulated,
so there are like regulatory agencies that oversee funeral homes
that people can join, I guess, and they have standards
that these If you're going to be in their association,
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you have to follow these standards. But you don't have
to be in one of those associations to have a
funeral business. I think one of the only requirements is
to have some kind of a storage for a cold
storage to prevent decomposition, which it appears that this woman
had some sort of cold storage or some kind of
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way to keep the body cold.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
So I don't know if she was registered with any
of those entities, though I'm now it doesn't seem like
she was. But that's not illegal in.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
The UK, No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And then another interesting thing our listeners sent in was
that this organization has a Facebook page where this woman
is posting photos of at least her dead child back
from twenty seventeen, and I can't believe those things don't
get flagged. I mean, I guess if you're seeing it
as people that have stillborns and stuff post their dead
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kids all the time. I see it all the time,
and that's fine if that's what people want to do.
If she wants to do that with her own kids,
she can, that's fine. She shouldn't do it with other
people's kids, for sure. Especially This is the thing from
I guess from a consumer standpoint in the UK. You
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have a stillborn you're incredibly upset. You do some Google
searches and come across an organization like that. How is
the regular average person going to know that they're not
like you would just assume that the country or the
state that you're living in is overseeing things like this
and they're not. Well. I guess where I'm at right
(47:16):
now is you know what we've talked about with all
these airplane accidents too. Have these things just been going
on all the time, and they're more sensationalized as of
late with social media. You know, the BBC just did
an investigation and this is kind of why all this
information just coming out now, even though this happened a
few years ago. We just talked about that story last
(47:38):
week too, with that other funeral home in Colorado where
they had bodies hidden behind the door. And by the way,
that guy stepped down he resigned as a coroner as
he should have. He should have get fired exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
They shouldn't even have gave him that opportunity because honestly, like,
I don't know how that works in that particular jurisdiction,
but I assuming that would be a pension job. Well yeah,
so so he's gonna be able to just retire and
get his pension now, Like, well, no, the people that
live there really need to fight that because that's bullshit,
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because that's taxpayer money. That's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, I'm just wondering exactly what prompted the BBC to
just investigate this now? Have they been doing it for years?
Did they watch the mortician and see what was going
on with this? God?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
You know, so this particular organization for these dead babies
has been they've had complaints before. I don't know what
the complaints are.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
But they said only two that were investigated by police
and they didn't find any wrongdoing.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
But the hospital that's affiliated with this is saying that
they they aren't affiliated with her, so they said she's
not allowed anymore. It seems to go to the maternity
floors unless she's a patient. Unless she's a patient, but
she was before well yeah, yeah, and like from a
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hospital perspective, you're like, Okay, there's this outside organization that
comes in and helps mothers deal with dead babies, like
of course, Like why wouldn't you let them in? Right?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Like of course, because you know it's an unfathomable tragedy,
so you want to do anything as possible to provide
the family with resources to help them get through it.
You don't think this lady's like taking their kid home
and like watching cartoons and acting like it's normal.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
That I have no idea it is. It is just
really it's really bizarre, and I just the whole entire
thing is bizarre. But I guess this mother assumed. There's
a lot of assuming in the world. This is why people.
Can you assume that this is a funeral home that's
picking up the kids, So that's that's what she did.
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And that's the problem when you're like, you want to say, okay,
make sure you're using it an accredited a funeral home
in the UK by these organizations, but like, average people
just don't think about that, especially if a death comes unexpected.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Well, that's exactly what I was gonna say. There's a
level of shock and like is your first priority when
you've just lost a child, being like, let me make
sure this funeral home is accredited. You're not in your
right senses.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Average people just just wouldn't even know to do that.
You just think, oh, they say they're a funeral home,
let's say no.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I mean, this Facebook page was posting as of
July twenty ninth. I don't know if the services are
going to continue or what's gonna happen, but I just
think it's really disturbing, and I just hope the whole
thing gets shut down, honestly, because I think if she
was really trying to do the right thing, it's just
gone so far south at this point that you maybe
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need to take a step back and reevaluate the goals
of your business and how you're handling it.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Do you remember that one case, that high profile death
dis section we did in the gross room about that
guy that was like digging up dead children and stuffing
them and making them dolls and like kind of doing
a similar not obviously she wasn't well. I don't know
if she was embombing them. I mean, she she had
to do something or else they would have been decomposing,
but like propping them up and like having them watch
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TV with him and stuff. It was so weird.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Well, yeah, that was hands down one of the worst
ones we've ever done, because there's a million pictures associated
with it too, and just.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Looking at their me that's automatically what I thought of, though,
is like thinking about like a dead child propped up
as a doll, Like why, Like it's so bizarre, It's
really weird.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Okay, let's move on to Questions of the Week. Every
Friday on the at mother Nose Death Instagram account, you
could head over to our story ask us whatever you want.
Do families have to pay for autopsies done against their
wishes like in investigations, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Now they don't. The only time that a family would
have to pay for an autopsy even really, I mean
the couple hospitals that I worked at and the ones
that I interned at as well, if you died in
the hospital and you wanted an autopsy, they were free
because that was a service that number one, the hospital provides.
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But number two, we need bodies for training for medical
students and for pathology residents. So that the only time
that we've done autopsies that people have had to pay
for is if someone calls would call the hospital and
say they want to do a private autopsy, which means
maybe there the body got sent to the medical Examiner's
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office and the medical examiner said, we're not going to
do an autopsy, we don't think it's necessary, and the
family's like, no, this is suspicious, I want it done.
Then you would have to pay for it for a
private autopsy. And sometimes even if you have an autopsy
and you want to do like a second autopsy or
second review, you would pay for that as well. But
we actually had a rule because we worked in an
(52:50):
academic center and like I said, we just needed bodies
to do dis sections on for the residents. We would
actually say, even if a person didn't die the hospital,
if they were ever a patient of our whole entire
medical institute, that we would do the autopsy for free.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Where do private autopsies get done? Like if you were
going to hide because didn't they have a doctor Boden
do Epstein's like, where would that be performed?
Speaker 1 (53:17):
So it sometimes like since he worked as the New
York Medical Examiner, sometimes like if he's still in good
relations with them, they would just let him come in
after hours. Sometimes it's done at a funeral home. Oftentimes
it's done at a funeral home because they have the
setup to do it. And usually like the few people
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I know a couple of people that have done like autopsy,
like private autopsies like that, And like my friend Frank
that just died, he had like his own kit that
he would bring with him that had a bone saw
and scalpa bleeds and things like that. Because the funeral
home isn't going to have the exact tools that we
would use for an autopsy they have, I'm sure I
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could get by with you know, if you have a
scalpa blay, technically you could do an autopsy, but like
you want your tools to be a little bit more comfortable,
so so typically, you know, sometimes you would rent out
space maybe in a funeral home or something like that.
And we've had private autopsies done at the hospital too
that that external bodies will come out and we would
(54:24):
do them there.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Okay, all right too, or autopsy performed differently if a
body is obese compared to average.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Weight, I would say, like a little bit, we still
do the same procedure, but sometimes it's just a lot harder. Obviously,
if a person's body is bigger. I've I always talk
about this one case I had of a person that
was considered to be super obese, which was over five
hundred pounds and had died after surgery. And the gurney
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that this body was on was so big it didn't
fit into our mark. So I had to cut in
the refrigerator. And it was terrible because it's just hard
to work when your cold, your hands don't bend right and.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
But it's pretty much the same. It's just a lot
it's just a lot messier because there's a lot of
fat in the way. But I mean, you're still going
to look at all of the same stuff you look
at every single body. It's just a little bit more
difficult for us to do.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Okay, last for Nicole, do you love your Couybella? Now
after a few years.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Kuybella is the oxycolic acid, and this is something that's
naturally found in the body. But for the Kuybella, they
made it synthetic. But it's something that would be created
in the liver stored in the gallbladder to break down
fat after you eat a meal. So if you eat
a cheeseburger or that acid naturally and your body comes
and squirts out of your gallbladder into your small bough
(55:52):
and helps break down the fat. So they thought like, hey,
let's take this technology and try to break down fat
bite injectating it into people. And it's FDA approved and
everything like that, and uh, doctor Dimitri did it on me.
I'm actually going to see him today to try to
get my uh botox before crime con. But anyway, so
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we could I could talk to him more about that
because he might want to come on and actually talk
about it. It's interesting. So anyway, when I got it,
I was like ten pounds heavier or lighter than I
am now. So now that I've gained ten pounds, usually
I see it like a lot in my face, like
my chain gets fatter, and I feel like it hasn't
gotten fatter like it typically what of if I fluctuated
(56:38):
and wait? So I think overall, it's good. So I've
been happy with I think that it was it worked
because like when I got it done, I was, like
I said, ten pounds later. And also, god, I feel
like I got that done before the pandemic, so I
was younger too, and so I think I need I think, yeah,
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well you would, you would hate it. So let me
tell you that the worst part of it was it
was painful, like very very painful. Not it was like
the weirdest thing because he did tell me it was
gonna hurt. And I believe that he did inject me
with lida kine, which they wouldn't typically do with like
botox or something, and he gave it to me and
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it was fine. But then when I went in the
car right from leaving his office, it hurts so so
so bad, Like I don't know exactly what causes the
pain like that, but like I I was borderline, like
if I had a purposet or something right now, I
would take it, like it hurt that bad. And I
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think I have a pretty high tolerance for pain, and
I didn't. Luckily I just had or luckily I had
the Motrend eight hundred whatever the you know, the ivy.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
We'll talk about how awesome i'd be profen eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
No it it but like it didn't. The thing the
reason that I say that I might have that I
would have taken a pain pill if I had one,
was because that didn't even touch it. Like it was.
It was like a weird burning, and also like if
you want to get it done, I'm just trying to
tell you the negatives of it, because I think the
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results overall are good. If you want to get it done,
you need to make sure that you have nothing to
do for like almost a week, because I didn't really
realize that. And I also swallowed more than the average person,
I think. But remember I went, I went to like
terrain with Lara a couple like I think two whole
days later it was like her birthday or something, and
(58:46):
like I had to wear a scarf around my neck
like Jackie. Oh, because I'm serious, Like I looked like
a frog, like I gotta find the picture actually because
it's it's like hilarious. I look like I can't even
recreate how I looked. It was terrible.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Is it like when you open your feet? It was
like a camera by accident? What is it like when
you open your camera by actually?
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Oh, but like times twenty, it was like this big
like frog. Like I just feel like I looked like
a bullfrog. Like I don't know how else to explain.
I had like I had like boobs and like a chin,
like there was no like neck definition whatsoever. It was
the weirdest thing. But then the swelling went down and
it was fine. But I just was like, oh my god,
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like I really you know, like if you go get
a facelift, you're like, okay, I gotta be like missing
for a week or two. But I just didn't think
that way before I went there. And then, you know,
I had plans with Laren. It was her birthday and stuff,
and I'm like, I would feel like a jerk not
going to lunch with her because of my a cosmetic procedure, right,
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but it was. It was outrageous, but overall overall, it
was good. And they do it in like other parts
of your body too, like you can, especially if you're
one of those those fortunate girls that are just like
pretty skinny and you just have like a little tiny
glob of fat on your abdomen, Like they could inject
it in your abdomen too, and it's been shown to
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show results.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
So all right, well, in that note, we will see
you guys in only a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I'll try to find the picture and I'll put it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
We'll put it on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I don't know if I want to put it on Instagram.
It's terrible maybe I'll say, we'll say, yeah, I gotta
find it though, but yeah, it was. I have to
figure out when I got it done, and I'll look
for it in my phone. But it was. It was funny.
And I think that the picture that I took was
like two whole days after I had it done, so
you could imagine like how bad it was. But all right,
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all right, well.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have lots of
news stories to get into with you guys this week. Obviously,
by now we've all heard about the horrific school shooting
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in Minnesota. Well, a bullet fragment has been found in
one of the children who went viral after saying his
friend laid on him, so we are going to talk
about that. We'll also get into another viral moment captured
on film this week at Hershey Park, an update on
a story we brought to you last week about a
mother who killed her children and her husband and herself,
(00:51):
a family that was awarded nearly one billion dollars because
of hospital negligence, high cocaine levels in the water in
a fancy beach. And we'll get into this really gruesome,
bizarre story about a funeral director who was taking babies home.
Then we'll finish off the episode with your questions. All
that and more. On today's episode, Let's get started with
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this horrific Minnesota shooting. Like I honestly, I don't even
really want to talk about it. We've been avoiding a
lot of these mass shootings because they're so they're just
so scary as a parent and just as a human
living in America. So but I think that this particular
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part of this story has interest.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah. I mean, we got into this in our YouTube
live more in discussion about it on Friday, but you know,
we talked about it for about a half hour and
we just got to a point where we really, this
is so sad. We just don't want to keep getting
into it, and we can't possibly cover every single one
that happens. But what we covered on the YouTube was
just the basic facts, but what went down, and then
this manifesto from the shooter that had been posted online
(01:59):
in how disturb that was. And of course we have
to focus on the young victims. Who is eight year
old Fletcher Merkele and ten year old Harper Moyski. They
were killed in the incident. Eighteen others, including fifteen kids
and three adults, were injured. So one kid, Weston, he's
in fifth grade. He has gone viral on the news
and talked about how his friend shielded him and ended
up getting hit and as part of the interview, he
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was saying he thought he had gunpowder on his neck,
but that ended up being a bullet fragment that just
missed a vital artery.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, so I don't know exactly how that went down
as far as them bringing him to the hospital, but
he did because was I mean, I would assume that
that interview wasn't directly after the shooting occurred, right, It
had to be some time later, So there was some
point that they decided to bring their son to the
(02:50):
hospital to get checked and if he didn't have anything,
I mean, he had to have some kind of an
entry wound of some sorts in order for the fragment
to get inside of his body. But what happened was
when they did imaging, they saw that it was within
millimeters of his carotid artery, which as we know, is
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the largest artery that is bringing blood right from the
heart to the brain. And if that gets severed in
any way, a person can die at the scene just
because of massive blood loss. So he's just extremely fortunate
to have survived this and still had to get surgery
(03:32):
to remove this shrapnel metal fragment from his neck. But
luckily it's not going to cause him any long term complications.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's just like horrific that you know, this kid already
has to go through this, and obviously he wasn't the
full bullet didn't go in his body, thank goodness. But
you know, he still has to get surgery, he still
has to go through the trauma of being in the
room that they the trauma of his friend shielding him
and getting shot as well. It's disgusting to even think about, Well,
the kid that.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Was sitting next to him is one of the children
that got killed right next to him. I mean, these kids,
I just like, that's the worst part of this whole story.
I was saying this on the YouTube live that I
felt like the most horrible part of hearing this story
is that kids are talking and saying One of the
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kids said that they they didn't know what to do
because they had prepared for this if someone came into
their school and shot them, but it didn't. They weren't
prepared for church. They didn't have any drills in church.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And I'm sure that's going to change.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And just like and and my kids today, even dropping
my kids off at school today, we were talking about
there being all this grass that wasn't utilized and my
kids are like, oh, yeah, well, we go out there
when we do shooter drills and bomb drills. It's just like,
why is this the world that we're living in right now?
So whatever, I don't even want to talk about it
(05:00):
because it's just like it's just like talk talk, talk,
and nothing ever gets done from both sides. Really, it's
just so frustrating, and you know, we're just gonna hear
about it again in a couple of weeks and then
we're all going to be enraged, and it's just like
a horrible cycle of abuse. So we're wishing all of
those children, well, it's a shame that all of these
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kids have to deal with this. I mean, this isn't
the only kid that's undergoing surgery to remove a bullet
from their body. It's just it's absolutely terrible, and like,
how do you even go on after this? I don't know,
But let's go move on to a little and equally
is disturbing thing, maybe but a little bit lighter. As
(05:43):
far as this video that was going viral, it's almost unbelievable.
I watched it so many times because you're like, what
would happen if you were just sitting there and you
saw something like this.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, so at Hershey Park, this kid got separated from
his parents, somehow entered a secured area and was later
seen by many videos taken walking around on the monorail
tracks at the park.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's just it's it's such an outrageous video to watch.
You just can't even believe that you're looking at it
with your eyes. And the coolest part is is that
this guy that was there, this dad solid and just
like somehow, like within seconds, got to the roof of
a nearby building and was able to climb up on
the rail and get this kid. Now, my first thing
(06:27):
when why I was watching this is obviously this kid
holds this kid like five or six years old. Yeah, young,
he's a little kid. So obviously just think about it.
If for those of you that haven't seen the video,
think about like the monorail system at Disney World. It
kind of like looks like a similar track to that.
And so it's obviously it's very high up and you're thinking, Okay,
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this kid is walking on this, it's very thin. You're
just afraid that the kid's gonna fall. In general, not
even knowing like why a child would be up there
by themselves anyway. But my other concern was the guy
going up there because typically these things have a third
roil that is the electricity source for them to move,
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and you can get electrocuted if you go near one
of those things. I don't know if this particular train
had a setup like that, but it has to move somehow, right,
and luckily it was off and not working that day,
so hopefully that's you know, that's why it wasn't on.
But people should definitely not be going anywhere near that thing.
(07:36):
So the kid, I just was thinking, Oh my god,
this kid's going to get electrocuted. This guy is going
to get electrocuted. Like it's just it's so scary and
really kind of unacceptable how it all went down.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, because the parents were saying they reported him missing
around five o'clock and this whole thing went down over
a half hour. That's a long time for a child
to be missing. Think about that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But like her, she park put out a statement and
they they didn't really it just didn't really seem like like.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
They aren't accepting the blame for it. They were taking
responsibility for a child being able to access a secured
area so easily and get on a train track.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
They say, like the child was missing only twenty three minutes.
That's they said that in a statement, and then they
said the quote long time, right, Yeah, that's that's what
I was thinking. And then it says, quote, we are
grateful for the vigilance of our guests and the swift
response of our team. No, your team didn't do shit, dude.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
No, A good Samaritan climbed up on the roof that
Like maybe they got people together afterwards and stuff, but
like the team, what did the team do exactly?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't really know, so whatever, but and we'll remain
committed to maintaining highest level of guest safety throughout Hershey Park.
And then it said it's reviewing how the boy was
able to access the closed monorail area.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Well, I was thinking about this all the times we've
been to Disney, right, like, how are they fully securing
that area? They can't fully shut it down. It's an
open space. They just put a little chain over the
walk way, right, of course, so what are they doing
They're really secure the area? I mean kids can climb,
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'm just more disturbed because what if it was working
not only the electricity being worked on and that just
being a risk, but just on moving car like that,
like they the monorail car can't just like stop like that.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Well, I guess the argument is that if it was working,
there would be so many people around that the kid
wouldn't have been unsupervised and able to get on the
track for so long. But it's just ridiculous in general.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean this, this guy should get all of
the credit all all all.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
The mean park absolutely s not be getting any of
the credits.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I was sitting there thinking, like if that happened to us,
that would be something that Gabe would do, Like he
would one hundred percent. I mean think about that. Most
people wouldn't do something like that. No, not at all
because they don't want to be I'd be scared to
climb up on a roof, let alone. I mean, he
just went up there and grabbed that baby like like
it was nothing. Not scared of heights, nothing, It just
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was amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, did he also know that the train wasn't running? No,
that's what's saying.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
He probably didn't know that the electricity wasn't on either,
Like it, I mean, it just was like an instinctual
thing that he did and you just watch it. But
like I'm kind of disturbed. By this in a way.
I ultimately, I guess parents are in charge of watching
their kids and stuff, but yep, like I don't know.
It just kind of bothers me.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
As a person who was lost at the pumpkin festival
at four years old, I would say, it's mamma ble noo,
and she's gonna be upset for us bring it up.
And I'm sure we've talked put it on here before.
But you know, it's as simple as you're in a
busy space, a kid could turn around. It doesn't necessarily
mean you're a shitty parent, but like, no, yeah, no,
the point that they're trying to say it was only
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twenty three minutes, I mean, on another episode this week,
we're going to talk about the influencer Emily Kaiser, whose
son drowned. He was only, if you want to use
the word only out of his father's site for seven
to nine minutes, and look how that ended up, so
exactly only twenty three minutes. Only twenty three minutes is
an extremely long time for a child to be missing.
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Thirty seconds is a really long time for a child
to not be in your sights.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So anyway, I mean, all this all ended well thank God,
and this is going to be I mean we talk
about this in the gross room sometimes because sometimes we
have these outrageous accidents that happen to kids where it's
like the scariest thing ever, but they end up surviving.
And then you think about when they're older and then
bringing it up. I mean, this is on video. Imagine
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bringing this up to your kid when they're seventeen years
old and be like, oh, remember that time you went
viral for being on the monorail and someone saved your life,
you know, like, and every news source was talking about it.
It's just it. It'll be funny in a couple of years.
Just right now, it's a little bit of a sore
spottom shore.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Is this this decade's balloon boy incident of sorts?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
That thing was outrageous, that story at some point, well and.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Netflix thing just dropped about it, and Ricky never heard
of it, which I just couldn't believe. And then I
was like, well, you know, the parents like allegedly made
it up. Right, It's good. It's a good hour show.
But yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. Okay,
last week we talked about this mother who killed her
husband and two of her three children, who were eight
and six years old, before killing herself. The toddler was
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unharmed and he's currently in the care of other family members.
And we went over that prior to the deaths, the
husband had been diagnosed with brain cancer. I think in
that original conversation we were speculating as to what happened
as far as was it some post partum thing. Wasn't
just being overwhelmed with the diagnosis of the brain cancer.
Some of the grocery members had pointed out that it
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could just be you know, a lot of people are
caretakers and it's incredibly overwhelming and they could go through
deep depression because of that. Well, now it turns out
the mother was accused of stealing over six hundred thousand
dollars from her work just a week before.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, so obviously this has a huge impact on the story. Correct.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, yeah, and I say a week before. So a
police report was filed a week before, But she had
only been accused a short amount of time before this
went down, and then she wasn't providing the records to
her boss or not giving any information. Finally, she turned
over bank records, which they said were clearly doctored, and
then they filed the police report, and then a week
later the murder suicide happened.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, and from a business owner perspective, it kind of
sucks for him because he knew that her husband had
just been diagnosed with brain cancer and she had little
kids and everything like that. But at the same time,
she stole six hundred and sixty thousand dollars from him.
Like I'm sorry, Like I don't care if I mean,
have compassion for people, but I'm not going to just
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let someone steal money like that from me because their
husband has and actually we need to mention that this
money was stolen before her husband was diagnosed with cancer.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, I was just gonna say that. So she started
writing herself personal checks in twenty twenty three, which they
were saying was well before the husband was diagnosed with cancer,
so she had just been doing it anyway, And then
when they confronted her with the information, she just offered
no explanation at all. It took weeks for them to
get any bank records from her, which they're saying were
clearly doctored, and then they felt they had no choice
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to put the file of police report, which is a
shitty position to be in as an employer because obviously
you want to trust your employees. And then, like you're saying,
they know she's going through this horrific thing in her house,
but you can't just let somebody steal money because they're
going through something.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
She And the weird thing is that she worked for
a chicken wing company. It's not like they it's not
like they make billions of dollars and it's it's like, oh,
I'm just gonna skim some off the top, like an
office space situation, you know, like distractions of a penny. No,
like like six hundred and sixty thousand dollars over the
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course of two years is a noticeable chunk of money
missing that people would notice.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, So it seems like they were going through with
an accountant in June and realized this chunk of money
missing and that it was going to her. So that's
when they confronted her. And you know, this boss still
is remaining in a positive I think he still looks
good at the end of this because he's saying at
this point he doesn't even want the money back, he
just wants it to go to the surviving child.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, which which is really nice. I mean, he probably
feels he might feel a little terrible about bringing this
up because obviously it might not be the only reason
that she did this, but she might have felt like
a compounding my world is ending kind of a thing,
and that along with the cancer. But it does make
(16:09):
more sense now. I mean, obviously, if your husband gets
diagnosed with cancer. We were talking about this last week,
if your husband gets diagnosed with cancer and you have
little kids, it's terrible, but like life will go on
and some people just get really depressed about it or whatever.
But like now it kind of makes a little bit
more sense why it was so drastic With the.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Facts we have in front of us. At this point,
this guy cannot blame himself for this event happening. I mean,
she was doing something wrong for years, and it's not
like she felt like she had to steal the money
to help pay for her husband's cancer, as established she
was doing before.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Exactly like and that still isn't even right, but at
least you might say, okay, well.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
You understand a little more, but it's still a crime.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's like, listen, she's kind of being a scumbag like that.
It's the bottom line, like she's dead whatever, shouldn't speak
about the dead, but like that's what was going on,
and she created all like that problem stealing money in general,
but just like she wasn't even doing it good, Like
you just can't steal money from people like that, and
they wouldn't realize it because six hundred and sixty thousand
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dollars over two years, three hundred thousand dollars, Like you
think somebody's not going to notice that that much money's missing,
and then it's all like a paper trail.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
This isn't like one hundred years ago where you could
like exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Bizarre. And then on top of it, which is actually
interesting too because assumingly this this couple is is just
wasn't what did she do for a profession the way? Yeah,
it wasn't. Didn't we talk about that last time that
because we were talking about like one of them not
working or whatever. But regardless, let's just just assume that
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their they're average middle class income people, right, what like
her bringing over the course of two years is an
additional six hundred thousand dollars into her life untaxed by
the way, which is like a person making over a
million dollars like her husband, her family, like nobody noticed
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that she had all this extra money.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, we don't know how she was spending it, I
guess at the end just because like why like why
would she steal it to dash it away?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Like it's just weird. The whole thing is just is fishy,
you know.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean clearly there was a lot of issues going
on because obviously you wouldn't a normal person would not
steal from their employer at all. We're not talking about
stealing like no pads, like I stole from your house yesterday. Sorry,
but you know, like this is this is a lot
of money. So you have that going on, and then
you have this horrible situation with the illness, and then
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you think the only solution is to kill your whole family. Yeah,
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So this next story I actually posted in my Instagram
story this week because of quotes made by the judges,
and one of which was quote, this woman would have
been better delivering this baby in a bathroom at a
gas station or a hut somewhere in Africa instead of
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in this hospital. Like wow, it's I actually put it
on my Instagram story that this judge must be listening
to Mother Knows Death because I say that about especially
my one childbirth, that I would have been safer if
I was I usually say squatting by a tree, but well,
I was thinking that immediately when seeing this headline, that
(20:31):
somebody like you that went through a really horrific delivery
with Lillian must feel a type of way about this
and must feel some kind of joy that this family
not joy at what they went through, obviously, but that
you know, justice is on their side and they're getting
the largest settlement in Utah history over this bots delivery
of their child. But of course that doesn't make up for,
(20:52):
you know, the hardship their daughter's going to face the
rest of her life. And that's and that's with us, like, like,
thank god, there was no long term affect on either
of us as far as we know, right, but this
poor family. And listen, like, whenever I've talked to people
about what happened to me when I had Lillian, especially,
(21:14):
a lot of people have similar stories a lot, and
but it's just by luck that you survive and you're fine.
And then it kind of like all of what I
went through was completely swept under the rug because I
didn't die and my daughter didn't die or have any
long term health effects. Therefore nobody knows about it.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, they're even an incident report about what we know.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I doubt it. I doubt it. That's that's how it
goes down. So with this particular mother, I don't even
understand how this happens. And maybe some of you that
work in labor and delivery could help us with this,
but apparently there were nurses working there that were trying
to induce this woman who had just finished training. I
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don't really understand what that means exactly, Like, are they
new grads from nursing school.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
I think what they're trying to elude is that the
nurses that were on staff that they had just barely
graduated from school before getting hired there. They hadn't really
gone through that much training. And the doctor overseeing them
was not in the room because he had been sleeping
in another room of the hospital while they were in
charge of this woman and giving her drugs.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
You know what really sucks for these parents. They were
actually from Wyoming and they decided to take a little
short trip before they had this baby, and which I
don't think is a problem because as a person living
in America at least, you kind of have this false
(22:56):
sense of security. I guess I would say that any
hospital that you walk into would be able to deliver
your baby if you were to go into labor early.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well that should be the case.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Like the most common thing they do is deliver babies.
It should be the bread and butter of their industry.
It should be you know, and there's always complications with
deliveries and pregnancy that are sometimes out of the doctor's hands,
for sure, But I can imagine that this family, these
parents beat themselves up every day over this because they
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just wanted to have like a little trip and ended
up at a hospital. If they would have just stayed home,
things might have been different for their entire life, because
now their daughter has seizures so bad to the point
where they have to sleep in bed with her every
night because they're scared that she's going to die in
her sleep. She's just not developing normally as she should be,
(23:55):
and there was no indication that that would have happened
prior to this botch delivery.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, everything you read about this case just seems unacceptable.
They're saying they gave her these labor inducing drugs and
that the baby's blood pressure was getting high, the mom
was having a fever, and they just were kind of
blowing it off. The baby was not born until the
next day. This lawsuits alluding that the mother clearly needed
a sea section and they were blowing her off. I
don't really understand, because I haven't been through this how
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this process works, but like, what is the timeline supposed
to be. I'm assuming if there's any issues coming up
at all, with the baby having issues or the mom
having issues, they would just go straight to a sea
section because it would be too dangerous to wait.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
The only thing that I could think of is that
there wasn't I mean, there was a doctor there apparently.
I don't know if the doctor was there the whole time,
but there had to be a situation where listen, I
don't know, I'm trying to find like an excuse, and
I just I can't. I'm thinking, like, if there's a
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situation where there's just not a doctor available to do it,
but even a general surgeon could if a baby or
mother's life's in changer, Like someone knows how to get
a baby out of as out of a stomach via
C section. You're not in the middle of of of
another third world country that doesn't have access to healthcare,
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Like it's it's just completely unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I imagine that protocol in most cases is that there needs
to be at least not one, but a few people
on staff at all time that would know how to
do this in case of an emergency.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, I mean, so the interesting thing is, so this
is a couple of notes I wanted to make about
this particular case, So this hospital system has to pay
them almost one billion dollars. Yeah, okay, which is a
lot of money. Isn't it kind of crazy that a
hospital can pay out a lawsuit settlement of a billion
(25:56):
dollars and still be able to remain a thing.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Well, I think in a normal case, yes, But they
were saying later in this article that they're probably not
even going to get half of this settlement because this
medical center has filed for bankruptcy, So are they even
going to see this money?
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't know. It's just really listen, like the money
will be helpful for them, especially if she has to
be monitored like this because of seizures, that maybe they
could hire a person to come so they can get
a good night's sleep or something, or go out on
a date or just like live their life for the
rest of their life. All of the care that's going
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she's going to require, but like, it still doesn't it's
still not changing anything. And it's scary to think this
just happened in two thousand and twenty.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
This wasn't twenty nineteen that the box delivery happened, and
they filed the lawsuit in twenty twenty one. So still
all this time and they still you know, there's a
lot of stress to be on a family that went
through this and has a kid that actively needs to
be monitored all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, and it's I mean, it is satisfying for the
judge to say, like to reiterate your feelings on how
bad things were, but it's like none of it changes anything.
And you hear about these things all the time, and
you're just like, I don't even twenty nineteen, it was
(27:20):
before the pandemic, because think you could think like maybe
it was during the craziness of COVID and there were
short staffed and nobody wanted to come to work, Like
there's no excuse. There's just no excuse.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Going back to your comment though about you know, them
having a million dollars or almost a billion dollar settlement
in it not affecting a hospital. It's just, you know,
the greater conversation of the outrageous nature of health care
in this country. Think about a couple of weeks ago,
I had a teeny tidy reaction to MRI contrast, and
we had to go to the emergency room. We were
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in the waiting room probably for an hour and forty
five minutes. And how long were we back there? Not
even fifteen minutes? Yeah no, And they said go home
and take a ben a drill. Right, that was my
whole entire emergency room visit. I just got a bill
that I owe three hundred and fifty dollars and if
I didn't have health insurance, it would have been like
four grand. Think about this.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, for them to tell me, I really actually don't
understand that because they didn't do anything to you except
take your blood pressure. That's all they physically did to you.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, this is what I'm talking about. But this is
why these hospitals have this much money. So if they do,
in fact, get a billion dollar settlement for malpractice, oh whatever,
because they're getting all this other money from people like
me that they just say go home and take a
bend a drill. They didn't even give me a ben
a drill.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
They didn't. That's actually it's really interesting because all of
our I mean obviously we dealt with the people that
checked us into the hospital or into the emergency room.
So you dealt with like clerical staff, and then you
were brought back to a triage nurse and they took
your blood pressure and asked you some quiet us and
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then that was it as far as medical intervention goes.
And then a physician came and told you that you
could leave. There was no testing done, nothing, no blood
we're talking about nothing. I was there the entire time.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
They didn't give me a pill. I were like, well,
four thousand dollars for a talk, Like, think about how
ridiculous anyway. I just think because of things like that,
they're they're getting hundreds, if not thousands of dollars from
people like me, you know, and then when there's cases
like this in most cases obviously this hospital ended up
(29:35):
filing for bankruptcy, but I don't think this would be
a ding to most hospitals.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Right, It's just like it's just so much money. It's
I mean, and I know just from working in a
hospital that the amount of waste. So it's just it's
just really you would just think that that kind of
money would would cripple. Well, this is this is another
great part of the story. So the hospital got obtained
by another hospital and now they're they changed their name.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh yeah, so nobody would so nobody could trace it
back that it happened there like that.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's always alarming. I guess if you live in an
area and the hospitals are changing names and stuff, you
might want to look into into that.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
There is a question I want to post to you though.
Is the hospital liable for having bad hiring practices and
bad protocols or are the nurses and the sleeping doctor liable?
Like why not go after those people individually? Are you
going after I think they did.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I think they were even trying to ask the people
who were involved in the lawsuit. So each person in
that like for us as a PA and pathology, we
in particular don't have to have malpractice insurance because we're
covered underneath of the pathologists in the hospital. But in
that situation, the nurses might not have to have their
(30:53):
own insurance, although I'm not sure all of that, but
they definitely would fall underneath of the doctors that they
work for, who definitely have to have it. So the
individuals are all in short as well as the institution.
But you can't one hundred percent because we don't know
the whole story. And I know nurses that I'm best
(31:16):
friends with that are constantly working short staffed because of
the hospital's fault. So if something were to happen to
one of their patients, Like ultimately it would be their fault.
But at the same time, it's like the hospital isn't
supplying them with the amount of help they need. And
if you have one nurse taken care of triple the
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patients that they should be, then like there's going to
be mistakes made. So it could have been a situation
like that, Like obviously this person won, so the hospital
and the staff were in the wrong. We just don't
know exactly, like like why was that doctor sleeping because
he worked three days in a row without any help,
like you know what I mean, Like things like that,
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So there might be more to the story that we
just don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, and you know, hopefully this family does see some
of that money. It's not like they went after them
for no reason. They have lifelong medical bills. Now, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Right, let's talk about this story is a little bit
more fun, I would say. All right, So in Nantucket,
a couple of years ago, they started testing the water
to see if there was COVID spikes in the region,
which is that even necessary in general? But since then
they've gone on to do other tests, including drug tests,
and they see in this newer test that there are
very high levels of cocaine in the water. Yeah, it's
(32:36):
actually really interesting. I've been to Nantucket, so I could
speak about this a little bit. I thought it was
it was very cool, like it's always cool to have
to put your car onto a ferry and go somewhere.
And I'm just trying to think, actually when we went there,
I don't even know. I feel like we did that
for Martha's Vineyard, but I think for Nantucket we just
(32:58):
took the ferry over and we rented a car for
the day because I don't even know if you can
bring your car there or maybe you have to preserve it.
I don't really remember. But dude, Nantucket is like a
whole different world as far as like compared to the
Jersey Shore and stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's like course.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Mood show money, It's beautiful. It's just it's just like
a whole different vibe of anything that we've seen in
New Jersey at least for sure. And you know, obviously
like I felt completely out of place with my family,
Like everybody there is super just like very white and
(33:39):
clean cut and their vineyard vine shirts and they're Lily
Pulitzer outfits and and then like we just don't necessarily
fit that mold. So we felt very like, okay, this
isn't cool. We actually so we went to visit the
We go to look at lighthouses all the time, and
we met like Peter Benchley's you like, ran the lighthouse there.
(34:02):
He was really cool actually though, so so that was
my cool part of Nantucket. But I could see it's
like it seems like it's like very snobby, very clicky,
very money and like and and with that comes cocaine
and apparently very good cocaine because the water left the
water levels are showing high levels of cocaine but very
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low levels of things like vent and all and stuff
that you would find in like when people aren't getting
good shit, and these people are getting sure, they're getting
very pure cocaine and fifty percent higher levels in Nantucket
water than the rest of the water around the United
States that gets treated. So it's really it's really really interesting.
(34:47):
And there's there's low levels of of like trashier drugs
like meth and likerings like yeah drank stuff like that.
So it's it's just like it's cool because they said, wait,
hold on, let me look at this really quick because
this is interesting. So it says that, so let me
say how many people live there. There's fourteen to fifteen
(35:09):
thousand residents there all year, but they said they could
get up to eighty thousand visitors. But they're saying that
the water, it appears that the water is that they
test it is coming from almost three fourths of the
homes on the island. Okay, so they're trying to say
(35:32):
that they're able to test. This is like, it's kind
of weird because it seems like an invasion of privacy.
But overall they can't tell whose house it's coming from,
but they can test like do like a regional drug test.
Almost so of the water of three fourths of the island,
there's these high levels of a cocaine from like personal
(35:54):
use from homes. So they're either rentals or they're people
that live there. But it's you know, when I went
and visited, I didn't sleep over. There's a lot of
people that just because you could take the ferry, you
just go for a couple hours and then you leave.
So this is specific to people that are either living
there or there for the summer, or they're renting, but
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it's coming from the houses it is. It is just
such just it's interesting, and they can't like they're saying,
they're not invading privacy because they can't pinpoint it to
whose house it is. It's just like a generalized pool
of water. But it's cool. It's it's cool in the
sense scientifically because let's say you came to our town
(36:37):
in New Jersey, you would definitely find a different composition
of drugs in the water here as opposed to there,
and then other places, you know what I mean, like
different places. It's just it's it's something that's kind of
I don't know, I just think it's like it's kind
of interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Did you also see this cool fact that they were
saying before a drug raid most of the time will
shut the water off so that, uh, whoever's in the house,
they can't flush any drugs.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Like Loreina Broco and Goodfellas.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, like they can't, they can't do it at all.
They just have to whatever they put down the toilet
they'll be able to get so they can't get away
with it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, So it was interesting because they were saying like
sometimes the water could have so so there was the
biggest cocaine drug bust recently in Nantucket where this guy
had five and a half pounds of cocaine. Right, So
let's say that guy it didn't get caught with that
and he flushed it down the toilet, right. Well, obviously
(37:38):
the water is going to have a high concentration of cocaine.
So they were saying that that could affect it sometimes,
but they were saying that they don't think that's the
case in this case because it was spread out over
such a long period of time that it didn't seem like, Okay,
the levels were this, and then all of a sudden,
one day after a drug bust, it was like this
high and now they went back to this. It's been
(37:59):
like high the whole time, and it's just it's just
interesting to think about, like what groups of people use drugs,
and it's it's just very telling of that whole entire
scene that I witnessed there. Although I will say I
ate at this really crazy. It was like a weird restaurant.
(38:20):
It was kind of like outside on a lawn, and
I had the like it was the best food. It
was so so so good.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
It better be for what it cost to go visits
was it was just like lobster like a lobster Roles situation,
like all of this like super fresh seafood and stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
But it was so awkward because Gabe and I were
like sitting it was like a green field and all
of these like white umbrellas and we're sitting there at
a table like amongst all of these people.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
And you're wearing black, looking like a beef.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
But let me yes, but let me tell you that
that that the Eventually dude I don't remember his first name,
and I feel really rude even saying that, but he
was so awesome, Like we went to the lighthouse. He
like brought us there and talked to Gabe for like
an hour and he was just so cool and we
were and he's been like obviously like his family is
(39:17):
in that whole you know, Cape Cod Island situation because
of Jaws and everything like that, like they lived there
and they He was like super cool, but some of
the other people were like definitely, I felt like Julia
robertson Pretty Woman when they're like, we don't have anything
for you here.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Christy Ars. I just read this really good book. It's
a fiction book called The Wedding People, and it's set
in a similar climate like that. But the narrator of
the story is going through just how like douchey the areas,
and she's like, they even have a coconut pillow at
this hotel, and then I'm like, I kind of want that.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
I don't know, it was definitely, it was definitely like that,
Like we stuck out like a sore thumb like listen
and I would love to. I mean it was. It
was beautiful, like the hydrangea in the houses, and we
just drove around and it just was so so so nice.
I mean, I see why people want to go there
and do cocaine.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
To be honest, I can see cocaine as such like
an eighties drug. I'm like, who does it anymore? And
especially who does it with ventanyl going around? But I
guess if you had enough money, that's not a concern
for you because there was not very high ventanyl levels
in the water.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
So yeah, I never I never got cocaine either. But
to each his own.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
An interesting observation. Okay, So this last story we have today,
This listener from the UK sent this in and said,
it's not really a huge story over there, which I
can't believe because you know, every week we get super
disturbing stories and I don't want to say like summer
worse than the others, but this is definitely up there.
So back in twenty twenty one, this woman's baby died
at three weeks old due to brain damage, and a
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loved one suggested using this company called Flory's Army, which
specialize in babylaw support and fewnroals. So this company was
set up by this woman, Amy Upton in twenty seventeen
after her daughter was stillborn. They offer free hand prints, photographs,
baby clothing, and dedicated funeral services for babies. So this
child who passed away was picked up by somebody on
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behalf of Florrie's Army. The next day, the mom goes
to visit and is horrified to see that her dead
child is propped up in a baby bouncer. Quote watching
cartoons with this woman that founded this funeral company.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah, I mean this shit is weird. Listen, I'm gonna
say this. I know a couple of people throughout my
life that have either had a stillborn or lost a baby,
either I know them directly or indirectly through other people,
and the reaction that differ everyone's reaction to death is different,
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and we know this even when adults die and people
that are ninety years old die. Everybody's reactions different. And
I know of a couple of people who have had
a baby die or a stillborn and they they're just like,
this sucks, but they move on with life and they're
just kind of you know, going on as normal. And
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then others that like just completely go off the deep
end and never really, I don't want to say anybody
ever gets over it, but never it is still in
that moment of of of like the intensity of the
new death and not, you know, five years later, just
like completely detached from reality in a way of like
(42:37):
things moving on right, yeah, and not judging anyone, because
I can't imagine that I would probably be more in
that category if it happened to me, for sure. But
so this lady had a stillborn and started this organization
for people that lost babies, which is which is great.
A lot of times when people have a huge law
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like that, they start some kind of organization to not
only help them, but to help other people too. And
I don't know what happened, but there appears there had
been a lot of complaints over the years, and this
woman had a very unusual attachment to dead babies and
had it in a freaking bouncer watching PJ masks a
(43:21):
dead a dead baby like well, and even the mother
of that dead baby was like, this is freaking weird.
This is weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And then she's looking around the room and she sees
another dead child on the couch, and then there's just
like animals all over the house too. So you're you know,
you're first of all going through the trauma of just
having lost a baby, and then you're trying to do
anything you can agree to give this child some respectful
burial of sorts. And you walk into this lady's house
(43:53):
and see you're kase she's watch PJ Masks with us.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
It was like that, like that's what happened. She didn't
even it wasn't like she was trying to hide it.
She didn't think it was weird.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
She didn't think it was weird at all.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, and that's like a detachment from reality. There's something
mentally going on there, and.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
There's the other dead child on the couch.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Well, probably someone else, someone else that she was dealing
with from another hospital. So the question comes up because
and this is the UK, so I don't know how
they do things over there. But as far as here
goes like, you can't just go to you can't just
go to the hospital and pick up a dead body.
There has we We wouldn't release the body unless it
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was to a funeral director or to the medical examiner's
office or to you know, So, who is this? What's
the name of her organization?
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's Florie's Army, which in my head, her name's Amy,
and I keep seeing Amy an army, and I know
at some point I'm going to mispronounce it, but the
company's called Florie's Army because I think her daughter that
was still born's name was Floren.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
So even if there's organizations that do things like that
in America, they wouldn't really release the body to that person.
They would release it to a funeral home and then
go from there. So when they pulled the records, it
seems as if she had some kind of affiliation with
some funeral home because they did release the body to
a licensed funeral director. So I don't know what that
(45:16):
what's going on with that relationship, But apparently in the UK,
the funeral director the funeral businesses in general aren't very regulated,
so there are like regulatory agencies that oversee funeral homes
that people can join, I guess, and they have standards
that these If you're going to be in their association,
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you have to follow these standards. But you don't have
to be in one of those associations to have a
funeral business. I think one of the only requirements is
to have some kind of a storage for a cold
storage to prevent decomposition, which it appears that this woman
had some sort of cold storage or some kind of
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way to keep the body cold.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
So I don't know if she was registered with any
of those entities, though I'm now it doesn't seem like
she was. But that's not illegal in.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
The UK, No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
And then another interesting thing our listeners sent in was
that this organization has a Facebook page where this woman
is posting photos of at least her dead child back
from twenty seventeen, and I can't believe those things don't
get flagged. I mean, I guess if you're seeing it
as people that have stillborns and stuff post their dead
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kids all the time. I see it all the time,
and that's fine if that's what people want to do.
If she wants to do that with her own kids,
she can, that's fine. She shouldn't do it with other
people's kids, for sure. Especially This is the thing from
I guess from a consumer standpoint in the UK. You
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have a stillborn you're incredibly upset. You do some Google
searches and come across an organization like that. How is
the regular average person going to know that they're not
like you would just assume that the country or the
state that you're living in is overseeing things like this
and they're not. Well. I guess where I'm at right
(47:16):
now is you know what we've talked about with all
these airplane accidents too. Have these things just been going
on all the time, and they're more sensationalized as of
late with social media. You know, the BBC just did
an investigation and this is kind of why all this
information just coming out now, even though this happened a
few years ago. We just talked about that story last
(47:38):
week too, with that other funeral home in Colorado where
they had bodies hidden behind the door. And by the way,
that guy stepped down he resigned as a coroner as
he should have. He should have get fired exactly.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
They shouldn't even have gave him that opportunity because honestly, like,
I don't know how that works in that particular jurisdiction,
but I assuming that would be a pension job. Well yeah,
so so he's gonna be able to just retire and
get his pension now, Like, well, no, the people that
live there really need to fight that because that's bullshit,
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because that's taxpayer money. That's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, I'm just wondering exactly what prompted the BBC to
just investigate this now? Have they been doing it for years?
Did they watch the mortician and see what was going
on with this? God?
Speaker 1 (48:24):
You know, so this particular organization for these dead babies
has been they've had complaints before. I don't know what
the complaints are.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
But they said only two that were investigated by police
and they didn't find any wrongdoing.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
But the hospital that's affiliated with this is saying that
they they aren't affiliated with her, so they said she's
not allowed anymore. It seems to go to the maternity
floors unless she's a patient. Unless she's a patient, but
she was before well yeah, yeah, and like from a
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hospital perspective, you're like, Okay, there's this outside organization that
comes in and helps mothers deal with dead babies, like
of course, Like why wouldn't you let them in? Right?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Like of course, because you know it's an unfathomable tragedy,
so you want to do anything as possible to provide
the family with resources to help them get through it.
You don't think this lady's like taking their kid home
and like watching cartoons and acting like it's normal.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
That I have no idea it is. It is just
really it's really bizarre, and I just the whole entire
thing is bizarre. But I guess this mother assumed. There's
a lot of assuming in the world. This is why people.
Can you assume that this is a funeral home that's
picking up the kids, So that's that's what she did.
(49:48):
And that's the problem when you're like, you want to say, okay,
make sure you're using it an accredited a funeral home
in the UK by these organizations, but like, average people
just don't think about that, especially if a death comes unexpected.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Well, that's exactly what I was gonna say. There's a
level of shock and like is your first priority when
you've just lost a child, being like, let me make
sure this funeral home is accredited. You're not in your
right senses.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Average people just just wouldn't even know to do that.
You just think, oh, they say they're a funeral home,
let's say no.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So I mean, this Facebook page was posting as of
July twenty ninth. I don't know if the services are
going to continue or what's gonna happen, but I just
think it's really disturbing, and I just hope the whole
thing gets shut down, honestly, because I think if she
was really trying to do the right thing, it's just
gone so far south at this point that you maybe
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need to take a step back and reevaluate the goals
of your business and how you're handling it.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Do you remember that one case, that high profile death
dis section we did in the gross room about that
guy that was like digging up dead children and stuffing
them and making them dolls and like kind of doing
a similar not obviously she wasn't well. I don't know
if she was embombing them. I mean, she she had
to do something or else they would have been decomposing,
but like propping them up and like having them watch
(51:09):
TV with him and stuff. It was so weird.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
Well, yeah, that was hands down one of the worst
ones we've ever done, because there's a million pictures associated
with it too, and just.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Looking at their me that's automatically what I thought of, though,
is like thinking about like a dead child propped up
as a doll, Like why, Like it's so bizarre, It's
really weird.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Okay, let's move on to Questions of the Week. Every
Friday on the at mother Nose Death Instagram account, you
could head over to our story ask us whatever you want.
Do families have to pay for autopsies done against their
wishes like in investigations, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Now they don't. The only time that a family would
have to pay for an autopsy even really, I mean
the couple hospitals that I worked at and the ones
that I interned at as well, if you died in
the hospital and you wanted an autopsy, they were free
because that was a service that number one, the hospital provides.
(52:07):
But number two, we need bodies for training for medical
students and for pathology residents. So that the only time
that we've done autopsies that people have had to pay
for is if someone calls would call the hospital and
say they want to do a private autopsy, which means
maybe there the body got sent to the medical Examiner's
(52:28):
office and the medical examiner said, we're not going to
do an autopsy, we don't think it's necessary, and the
family's like, no, this is suspicious, I want it done.
Then you would have to pay for it for a
private autopsy. And sometimes even if you have an autopsy
and you want to do like a second autopsy or
second review, you would pay for that as well. But
we actually had a rule because we worked in an
(52:50):
academic center and like I said, we just needed bodies
to do dis sections on for the residents. We would
actually say, even if a person didn't die the hospital,
if they were ever a patient of our whole entire
medical institute, that we would do the autopsy for free.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Where do private autopsies get done? Like if you were
going to hide because didn't they have a doctor Boden
do Epstein's like, where would that be performed?
Speaker 1 (53:17):
So it sometimes like since he worked as the New
York Medical Examiner, sometimes like if he's still in good
relations with them, they would just let him come in
after hours. Sometimes it's done at a funeral home. Oftentimes
it's done at a funeral home because they have the
setup to do it. And usually like the few people
(53:38):
I know a couple of people that have done like autopsy,
like private autopsies like that, And like my friend Frank
that just died, he had like his own kit that
he would bring with him that had a bone saw
and scalpa bleeds and things like that. Because the funeral
home isn't going to have the exact tools that we
would use for an autopsy they have, I'm sure I
(54:02):
could get by with you know, if you have a
scalpa blay, technically you could do an autopsy, but like
you want your tools to be a little bit more comfortable,
so so typically, you know, sometimes you would rent out
space maybe in a funeral home or something like that.
And we've had private autopsies done at the hospital too
that that external bodies will come out and we would
(54:24):
do them there.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Okay, all right too, or autopsy performed differently if a
body is obese compared to average.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Weight, I would say, like a little bit, we still
do the same procedure, but sometimes it's just a lot harder. Obviously,
if a person's body is bigger. I've I always talk
about this one case I had of a person that
was considered to be super obese, which was over five
hundred pounds and had died after surgery. And the gurney
(54:54):
that this body was on was so big it didn't
fit into our mark. So I had to cut in
the refrigerator. And it was terrible because it's just hard
to work when your cold, your hands don't bend right and.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Like that.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
But it's pretty much the same. It's just a lot
it's just a lot messier because there's a lot of
fat in the way. But I mean, you're still going
to look at all of the same stuff you look
at every single body. It's just a little bit more
difficult for us to do.
Speaker 2 (55:25):
Okay, last for Nicole, do you love your Couybella? Now
after a few years.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Kuybella is the oxycolic acid, and this is something that's
naturally found in the body. But for the Kuybella, they
made it synthetic. But it's something that would be created
in the liver stored in the gallbladder to break down
fat after you eat a meal. So if you eat
a cheeseburger or that acid naturally and your body comes
and squirts out of your gallbladder into your small bough
(55:52):
and helps break down the fat. So they thought like, hey,
let's take this technology and try to break down fat
bite injectating it into people. And it's FDA approved and
everything like that, and uh, doctor Dimitri did it on me.
I'm actually going to see him today to try to
get my uh botox before crime con. But anyway, so
(56:14):
we could I could talk to him more about that
because he might want to come on and actually talk
about it. It's interesting. So anyway, when I got it,
I was like ten pounds heavier or lighter than I
am now. So now that I've gained ten pounds, usually
I see it like a lot in my face, like
my chain gets fatter, and I feel like it hasn't
gotten fatter like it typically what of if I fluctuated
(56:38):
and wait? So I think overall, it's good. So I've
been happy with I think that it was it worked
because like when I got it done, I was, like
I said, ten pounds later. And also, god, I feel
like I got that done before the pandemic, so I
was younger too, and so I think I need I think, yeah,
(57:02):
well you would, you would hate it. So let me
tell you that the worst part of it was it
was painful, like very very painful. Not it was like
the weirdest thing because he did tell me it was
gonna hurt. And I believe that he did inject me
with lida kine, which they wouldn't typically do with like
botox or something, and he gave it to me and
(57:26):
it was fine. But then when I went in the
car right from leaving his office, it hurts so so
so bad, Like I don't know exactly what causes the
pain like that, but like I I was borderline, like
if I had a purposet or something right now, I
would take it, like it hurt that bad. And I
(57:47):
think I have a pretty high tolerance for pain, and
I didn't. Luckily I just had or luckily I had
the Motrend eight hundred whatever the you know, the ivy.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
We'll talk about how awesome i'd be profen eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
No it it but like it didn't. The thing the
reason that I say that I might have that I
would have taken a pain pill if I had one,
was because that didn't even touch it. Like it was.
It was like a weird burning, and also like if
you want to get it done, I'm just trying to
tell you the negatives of it, because I think the
(58:25):
results overall are good. If you want to get it done,
you need to make sure that you have nothing to
do for like almost a week, because I didn't really
realize that. And I also swallowed more than the average person,
I think. But remember I went, I went to like
terrain with Lara a couple like I think two whole
days later it was like her birthday or something, and
(58:46):
like I had to wear a scarf around my neck
like Jackie. Oh, because I'm serious, Like I looked like
a frog, like I gotta find the picture actually because
it's it's like hilarious. I look like I can't even
recreate how I looked. It was terrible.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Is it like when you open your feet? It was
like a camera by accident? What is it like when
you open your camera by actually?
Speaker 1 (59:09):
Oh, but like times twenty, it was like this big
like frog. Like I just feel like I looked like
a bullfrog. Like I don't know how else to explain.
I had like I had like boobs and like a chin,
like there was no like neck definition whatsoever. It was
the weirdest thing. But then the swelling went down and
it was fine. But I just was like, oh my god,
(59:30):
like I really you know, like if you go get
a facelift, you're like, okay, I gotta be like missing
for a week or two. But I just didn't think
that way before I went there. And then, you know,
I had plans with Laren. It was her birthday and stuff,
and I'm like, I would feel like a jerk not
going to lunch with her because of my a cosmetic procedure, right,
(59:51):
but it was. It was outrageous, but overall overall, it
was good. And they do it in like other parts
of your body too, like you can, especially if you're
one of those those fortunate girls that are just like
pretty skinny and you just have like a little tiny
glob of fat on your abdomen, Like they could inject
it in your abdomen too, and it's been shown to
(01:00:14):
show results.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
So all right, well, in that note, we will see
you guys in only a couple of days.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
I'll try to find the picture and I'll put it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
We'll put it on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I don't know if I want to put it on Instagram.
It's terrible maybe I'll say, we'll say, yeah, I gotta
find it though, but yeah, it was. I have to
figure out when I got it done, and I'll look
for it in my phone. But it was. It was funny.
And I think that the picture that I took was
like two whole days after I had it done, so
you could imagine like how bad it was. But all right,
(01:00:46):
all right, well.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
We'll see at crime kind in a couple of days.
We're really excited and if you excited, if you have
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Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Hey you guys tomorrow, thank you for listening to Mother
Knows Death. As a reminder, my training is as a
pathologist's assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize
in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor,
and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or
(01:01:21):
alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show,
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and inform people based on my experience working in pathology,
so they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and
well being Always remember that science is changing every day,
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If you are having a medical problem, have a medical question,
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