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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
have an update from a story we brought you on
one of the very first episodes of Mother Knows Death,
involving the son of a legendary TV agent who was
accused of killing and dismembering his wife and her parents.
We are also going to talk about the dangers of
digging holes at the beach, a kid who got stuck
(00:43):
in a claw machine, a case of the Black plague
right here in the United States, a teddy bear made
of human skin, and one of life's biggest mysteries, does
cheese give you nightmares? All that and more on today's episode,
Let's get started with this Sam Haskell Junior case.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I honestly can't believe we have an update on a
case we covered almost two years ago that never happens
to us. Yeah, right, So, Sam Haskell Junior. He is
the son of Hollywood agent Sam Haskell. Back in November
twenty twenty three, he had been arrested for killing his
wife and her parents, dismembering them and throwing them in
trash bags. If everybody recalls he had hired people to
(01:21):
throw the trash bags out for him and said they
were filled with rocks, and then when they were dealing
with them, they noticed the bags were a little squishy,
so they went in to look in them and shockingly
found the remains of a human. So they called police,
he got arrested, and now he has killed himself in
prison by slitting his wrists.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So we have to mention that the human was his
wife's torso and her parents are also missing, but their
pieces or their bodies have never been found, which is
so disturbing. I guess he was supposed to be having
a hearing in the next couple of weeks, and they
are reporting that he killed himself in prison by slitting
(01:59):
his risks.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I was reading too that he had formerly been on
suicide watch and at this time was not. I wonder
just how that works, like when you determine somebody's not
going to do it or not. I mean, he was
only a couple of days away from this preliminary hearing
to decide if he was going to trial or not.
You would think around big hearings, especially somebody that had
a history of it, they'd be watching a little more.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I guess they have psychological analysis to see where they're at.
And you know, obviously this kid is also some kind
of like rich kid brat, right, So going from having
a life of extreme privilege to going in prison could
make anyone suicidal, right, So maybe that's what they thought.
(02:44):
It was just an initial adjustment period or something. But
I mean prisoners are always caught with ships or shanks,
which are homemade prison sharp weapons essentially, so it would
be very easy to slice the race artery and you
could bleed out from that. It is a slower death
then let's say if you cut the carotid artery up
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in the neck. But for sure, I mean some of
these prisoners sharpened down toothbrushes and it's just as sharp
as a knife. It could cut in sever an artery.
And if he wasn't found in a timely fashion and
he did it in a certain kind of way, he
sure could have bled to death right there in his
(03:28):
prison cell.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah. I could totally see that happening. And you know,
they said they found a suicide note at the scene
where he said he was going to miss his three
little best friends who were his children. But TMZ had
reported that I guess around the time of the murders,
maybe just before or after, he had bought a one
way plane ticket to Japan with his girlfriend, so it
looks like he was going to be leaving them anyway,
(03:52):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And also, yeah, and why would you kill their only
caregivers and then put the last one in prison? So
he killed his wife, his in laws that lived with him,
that also took care of the children, and then he
was in jail. So who even knows who they're living
with right now? But clearly, I mean, this guy was
(04:13):
off big time, so who knows what was going on there,
But that's it, end the story. I guess.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Do you think people should rethink rename or naming their
children after themselves when you know this guy was a
super powerful Hollywood agent and now has the same name
as his son who is a killer.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I never really thought about that, but that is
definitely something to consider because obviously, every time a person
as a kid, they think that their kid is going
to turn out more wonderful than them, right, But that
doesn't always happen, And in this case, he's definitely m
tarnishing the family name for sure. But I mean, this
guy's older for sure, and obviously the children. I mean,
(04:56):
who knows what his children's names are as well. Hopefully
one of his children doesn't have his name getting carried
on because it's not like Joe Smith or something. It's
a pretty recognizable name, especially in the California area.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, totally, and this place in the Matt Murphy's theory
that killers are descendants of or they're typically spoiled brats,
These rich kids that just grow up and don't get
their way in the world. Isn't what they thought it
was when they were little kids. So I think it's
really interesting we're seeing this high profile example of that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, it's it's really a shame though, I mean, just
thinking about children having to go through something like that
is just terrible. I mean, and eventually, and they're little now,
but eventually they're going to grow up and find out
what happened. And it's just it's the same way I
feel about like oj and Nicole Brown symptoms the little kids,
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you know, like they they were little children when that happened,
and how different and terrible their life would be growing
up being in the center of something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
No, totally, because it's like, not only is your mother dead,
but your dad's in jail. Well, I guess he got
out and he was acquitted obviously, but he's accused of
this horrific crime which we all know we did it,
and then you have to deal with the most famous
trial of all time, and then the legacy of it
just never goes away. Yeah. I would have to change
(06:22):
my name to try to not be associated with it
at all.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Okay, let's get into this second story. So last week,
a teen was on vacation in Italy with his parents
and three younger siblings. So at the beach, the teenager
dug a five foot tunnel in the sand. He went
to go climb under it, and then unfortunately it caved
in and trapped him beneath the sand.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I feel like we had a story like this last
year and the year before that. You always hear of
these horrible stories happening on the beach like this, and
a lot of times people don't realize. Essentially, if you're
digging a hole in the sand, you're digging a ditch,
and people that do that for a living know that
the ditch cannot be deeper than your shoulders because if
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it collapses, you'll die. There's no way that you're going
to be able to get out of that, and the
sand will just compress your chest and cause asphyxia. We
have a terrible case in the grossroom, actually called buried alive,
and in that case, the autopsy showed that the back
of the mouth and the esophagus as well as the
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trachea which is the windpipe, was impacted with sand so much.
And it happened in a person that ended up digging
a trench that was too deep and was buried alive essentially,
and you just would not believe how much sand was
in there. And it's just so disturbing to see that
that guy was under the sand and trying to breathe,
(07:47):
and as he was trying to breathe, the sand just
kept impacting within his throat and his esophagus. It's just super,
super disturbing. So I hate to hear this happen with
any parents. The dad was taking a nap under an
umbrella and woke up and didn't see the seventeen year old,
(08:08):
so by the time anyone realized it happened. Because obviously
the article kind of contradicts itself because some people say
some people in the article were interviewed and said it
was so quiet nobody even knew it happened until it
was too late. And then other people were saying that
they heard him screaming under the sand, which I'm not
(08:32):
exactly sure about that, just because if your mouth is
filled with sand as you're trying to breathe, I mean,
I guess you could make some kind of a noise,
but it definitely might not even be super loud, just
because your airway is literally blocked with sand.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Well that's what I was going to ask you. So
if this happens to you, do you die immediately or
do you have a couple of minutes?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, you have some time for sure, as your airway
is blocked off. I mean clearly would probably pass out first.
Just having a lack of oxygen to your brain for
only a few seconds could really just make you become unconscious.
But then if you don't have that oxygen after that,
then that would just cause you to die. And I
(09:16):
just feel so terrible for this dad. He said, he
grabs some local lifeguards just frantically searching for your child
underneath of this pile of sand, only to pull them
out and they're dead and there's no way to revive them.
It's just such a freak accident. And I mean, listen,
every single time I go to the beach with my kids,
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the first thing they want to do is dig a hole.
It's just something that kids want to do. It's just
a natural thing. And not only that you need to
obviously teach them about cases like this, but also if
kids build a big hole in the sand, and this
exact thing happened to us that the kids when we
were in Bermuda, the kids made this huge hole and
(09:59):
then we were and ready to leave and they're like, Okay,
let's go, and I'm like, no, you need to fill
this hole up because an old person could fall in
the hole and get really hurt. Not even an old person,
any person.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So, I mean, there's lots of dangers on the beach
aside from the most common thing that people think of
his drowning. But we've talked about on this program people
getting impaled with beach umbrellas. There's like all sorts of
freak accidents that could happen.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. I feel like the sand story is just one
of those ones we have every single summer. We just
see all different circumstances with it. And obviously it's not
only relevant to really little kids. This kid was seventeen.
You could probably argue he was the size of a
full blown adult.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It could really happen to anybody. Okay, in Ohio, the
cutest little boy ever goes up to this claw machine
and starts climbing through the prize chute, got stuck and
then had to be rescued by emergency workers. So were
you watching this video where you see all these other
adults walking by see what's going on and just not
doing anything to help.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the world we live in
right now. One time, I don't know if you remember this,
but Luchia was really little, she was like three years old,
and I was at We were all at this hair
salon in Philly on Frankfort Avenue, which is a pretty
busy street, getting our hair cut, and I was getting
(11:23):
my hair shampooed or something, and I had my eyes
off of them for a second. And this is one
hundred percent my fault, just assuming that since they were
sitting right next to me, that they were safe, and
Luchia ended up running out of the out of the
hair salon onto the street right so, and this all
(11:44):
happened within seconds. So I ran after her, and I'm
like chasing after her. She's in my eyesight. And Frankfort
Avenue is a busy street where there's multiple stores and
coffee shops and people walking around, and this little two
or three year old kid is running up the sidewalk
all by herself with not an adult right near her,
(12:06):
and not one person was like, Oh, let me see
where this kid's going. She ran into a cross street,
Like thank god, nothing happened. But I just thought it
was because she was in my eyesight, but I wasn't
close enough to get her. I mean, she just was
like that kind of kid that ran away so fast,
and I just I just wanted to say to people,
(12:28):
like you didn't think it was weird that this little
kid was like running into the street. You're just like,
not gonna I don't know. I just think it's a
responsibility that you have as a person. Sometimes we're in public,
like we might be on the boardwalk, and then you
see a little kid that's all by themselves that shouldn't
be all by themselves, they're too little, and then you
just kind of start looking around and looking for their parents,
(12:50):
because kids get lost in wander all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Listen, I agree with you one hundred percent, because that
did happen to me on the boardwalk one time. It
was early in the morning. I went we were staying
down the show for the weekend. I went to get
a coffee, and I see this little boy wandering by himself,
and there's no adult anywhere around. So of course, I'm like,
I have to do the right thing, and Ricky's like,
mind your business, this isn't our problem, and I'm like,
(13:14):
this is one of those typical like women have like
motherly instincts, where if you're just a good person, you're
gonna jump in and go help this kid. I'm like,
when you have a kid, you'll understand how important it
is to help a wandering little kid, because if your
kid was aimlessly wandering and lost from you, you would
wonder why every other adult didn't help that kid too.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's just a bizarre thing to think about looking at
a kid doing something like that, even if you didn't
want to get involved, Like wouldn't you look around and
be like, okay, where's their parent? And then clearly you
didn't see anybody, And like I said, like, kids wander
all the time, and just I was in an arcade
a couple of weeks ago, and it's like, I don't
know that I would have thought that my kid would
(13:56):
do something like that. So this is just happens all
the time, that kids getting crazy situations. And I definitely
sent this story to Gabe because I was like, oh,
here's another thing. The firefighters had to come rescue this
kid out of a claw machine and it's kind of
funny just to see his head like peking up through
the stuffed animals in the machine. But at the same time,
(14:18):
he wedged his way into the chute, which could have
been a smaller size, and he really could have gotten
stuck and had a positional asphyxia or something that he
wasn't able to get out and was having a difficult
time breathing. So luckily this ends up being kind of
a funny story that this kid can tell when he
gets older. But anytime the police or fire have to
(14:41):
get called to get your kids stuck out of a situation,
it's scary for the parents at the time, And luckily
it just all worked out well.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, And like you're saying, like I don't think this
is on the negligence of the mother this if you're
watching the video, I mean he gets in there and
under a minute. It's very quick, and then she has
a young baby on her arm when she runs over
and realizes he's stuck in there. I hate to bring
this story up. My mom's gonna be so upset. But
I got lost when I was little when she was
watching me at a fall festival, and it happened in
(15:11):
a matter of seconds, and luckily I found this old
lady that brought me to a fireman and it got
resolved very quickly. But I'm sure that was the worst
couple of minutes of her life, thinking I was.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
This story is actually the funniest. Maria went up to
either a firefighter or a cop. I don't really remember
what the story is, but I remember this part of
it that because I was at work at the time,
and I remember this happened, and they were at this
like a pumpkin festival thing, so there was just lots
of people there painting pumpkins and doing fall things. And
(15:45):
she went up to this officer and said, Hi, my
name is Maria Qualteriri. I'm five years old and I'm lost.
I thought that that was so great.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well, that's she's She's just tell you guys, she's always
been like this. That's gonna have to be a chapter
in the memoir. I'd love to write one day with you.
It is so ridiculous. And there was that time I
called nine one one too because I thought you guys
left me alone, but somebody was at the house. But Jesus,
(16:18):
maybe you should Sammy West.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Kind of conversation went down then too. You were just like, Hi,
my name is Maria. It was the same year too. Hi,
my name's Maria Qualteriri. I'm five years old and I'm
home alone. That's what you said to the to the
nine one one. They actually thought it was so funny,
like they told us when when you know, when they
called the cops, and of course like, she's just like
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my kids. This is something my kids do every day,
especially in the summer, like they do a quick look around,
and they they one time they called Gabe and said
that they didn't know where I was, and I was
home alone, and I was like out in the back gardening,
and I'm just like, did they even open the door
and look outside see if I was here? Like just
it's just like a funny thing kids do.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Do you think the Gladora Police Department will hand over
the nine one one call that I made in probably
nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, I'm sure of it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That would be amazing. But yeah, things that happened quick.
Kids are wanderers. I'm not for putting leish on children
at all. You know, they may I am backpack.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'm telling you, listen. I always used to like think
that I was never gonna be that parent. And when
Luceya did that that day, like I could not believe
how she got away from me and ran away from
me so fast and I could not get her and
just seeing your child like from afar and not being
able to get to them, and she just had no
(17:46):
fear of like running in a lot of people running
in the street. Not no, because like kids don't understand
the street, right. I was just like, no, I don't care.
Like when we went to the zoo after that and stuff,
I was just like, I'm having this thing attached to her.
I don't even care because the kid got away from
me easily, and I was just like, I don't give
a shit if every person here is judging me right now,
(18:06):
Like I'm not going to deal with a kid that
gets hurt like that.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah. I never experienced a kid running like that until her.
And that's the first time ever I understood like why
those backpacks exist. She she was a runner. She did
it everywhere. She did it at the mall. She did it.
If we were like walking around and had it feel
it's scary.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, it's just like really funny how you could have
like Maria and Lillian were totally if I was just
like you stick like Lou Like, they literally would be
right next to me the whole time. And Lulu always
took advantage of like, oh her eyes looking the other way.
I'm out, like and I'm gonna chet. It was like
a cat opening the door when uh, when they're indoor
cats just getting out. Funny.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
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Speaker 2 (18:59):
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what it looks like when someone is actually buried alive
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the Lamb Funeral Home scandal, and that case is just
(19:21):
so in depth and unbelievable. We had to make it
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that this is actually a true story.
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Oh and it gets worse, like part on how to
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It gets so much worse.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It's really amazing that when people could get money doing
nefarious things like that, how they just completely lose all
sense of I don't even know what it is, empathy
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in the grocer room, we also have a really interesting
(19:58):
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Speaker 1 (20:09):
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So a person's died from the plague in northern Arizona.
I didn't think this was around anymore. It is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's just not common. I mean, there's one to two
thousand cases a year worldwide, and in our country we
have a few cases here and there. It is like
a little bit of a weird case, though because they
don't know quite yet how the person got it initially.
(20:45):
So when you get the plague, which is caused by
a bacteria called yourcinius pestis, it's caused in most cases
you either catch it from somebody or you catch it
from getting bit by a flea has bit an infected
animal such as a rodent usually right, So they were saying,
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initially there was this prairie dog like mass prairie dog
death somewhere in Flagstaff, Arizona, So they were thinking that
that could potentially be it, because that's something that you
might see in cases of plague. But they have since
said that it's not from prairie dogs, so they're not
(21:27):
exactly sure where they got it. But what happened was
this guy went to the hospital and went from like
zero to dead very soon and had what appears to be,
based upon the articles that I read, that he had
pneumonic plague. The plague bacteria is called your sinius pestis,
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like I said, and all of the different plagues that
you could get black plague is the generalized term, depends
on the location of your body where you get it infected.
So the most common and the one that would you
would have the most likely chance of survival. Is called
bubonic plague, and that causes these little things called or
(22:09):
big things you should say called bubas I think that's
how you would pronounce it. But they're essentially really enlarged
lymph nodes. They could commonly be in the groin or
the armpit and they could get as big as an egg.
And these lymph nodes can rupture and have pus and
blood and stuff in them. So back in the day,
if people got the plague obviously this was in like
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the thirteen hundreds, before they even knew that bacteria caused diseases.
And the reason the plague killed so many people, there
were lots of different factors that caused it. One of
them being just like living into close of quarters and
having this infection spread and not know how it's infecting
and not being hygienic and all this stuff. But one
thing is one of the treatments that they used to
(22:53):
do is like blood let these lesions which used all
of this stuff which was super infectious, and that's how
other people we're getting it as well. So it just
was spreading multiple different ways. So in this case of
this guy having been diagnosed with pneumonic plague. That means
that the bacteria was in his lungs, causing a pneumonia.
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And you could get that two different ways. You could
get that either from breathing in respiratory droplets from a
person that has pneumonic plague, or you could get it
if it goes into your lymph nodes and or into
your blood and then it spreads to your lungs. So
I guess that might be why they're saying that he
(23:34):
didn't get it from a prairie dog, because they think
that he possibly caught it from someone else that had it.
I'm not really sure, but what happened is they they
automatically knew that he was having symptoms of pneumonic plague.
So what the presentation is very fast and the incubation
period is fast. That means do you remember with COVID
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that you would be a exposed to somebody and then
you might not even start showing symptoms for like one
to two weeks. Yeah, so with when you're exposed to
bubonic plague, you start showing symptoms within twenty four hours
of the infection.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, this is what I was gonna ask you, because
like how I was just confused how they knew to
test for it, because I just would assume this isn't
in the normal round of testing because of how rare
it is.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, this is what happens. So he came in and
he was having symptoms, and one of the symptoms is
a little bit weird and it has a little bit
of a different presentation than most typical pneumonias are infections.
So your sputum. Sputum is the grossest specimen ever. But
basically it's like your loogies that you cough up, when
you can cough up all that mucus and stuff when
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you have pneumatic plague. It starts very thin and watery.
It's and it's like a copious amount of fluid that
comes out, and then all of a sudden it turns pink,
and then it turns blood tin and then it could
be like straight up coughing out like blood, like a
lot of it, and it just it's just like a
very weird presentation to happen so fast within twenty four
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hours at the hospital. So number one, they're going to
test that to see what's in it. But more importantly,
he also had it in his blood, so they'll send
the blood cultures down to microbiology and they go on
a machine first, and it's the unfortunate thing is is
that it's not very quick to do these diagnoses because
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you have to wait to see if the bacteria grows.
So the machine will say, Okay, there's bacteria in this blood,
and then the technician will take it off of the
machine and do a work up to see exactly what
that bacteria is. So they knew right away like, Okay,
this guy has just these really weird symptoms kind of
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and then they knew. So he died on the first
of July, and then by the second day he had
already had an autopsy done, and the hospital actually called
the medical examiner's office and was like, uh, this is
suspicious for your sinius pestis. So that clued the medical
examiner to take some lung tissue and send it to
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the state because sometimes when you have these weird infections,
you need to send it to like a special CDC
type of lab or state lab that's doing that test
for these infections. So the hospital was able to identify
that it was possibly that, but just to confirm, they
wanted to do the diagnosis on his actual lung tissue.
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So after that, of course, this could go really bad,
really fast, because it's so contagious. So they want to
be like, where the hell did this guy get this
and who did he catch it from? And we need
to stop this right now, because you have to think
about this. He had family, he had friends, he might
have had a job, all of this stuff that he
(26:55):
was exposing people to before he got sick enough to
go to the hospital and was coughing all over the place.
Plus you have a typical person that a nurse doctor
that's working in the emergency room isn't wearing a TB
mask that's a fitted respirator, right, so that person's coughing
all over the place in the waiting room. Anybody that
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had exposure to this guy, including the people that did
the autopsy on him, all need to be treated with
antibiotics just to make sure that they don't start showing
symptoms of it as well, because right there you could
see how one person could just get so many people sick.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, that's scary and.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's very, very deadly. It was originally called the black
death because black, just the color black represented death, which
I just don't really understand because then I guess it
was called like the death death, but it was called
that because it's so deadly, and it's still deadly today.
Now they know that it's caused by a bacteria, and
they know what antibiotics kill it. So if they're able
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to catch it in time, especially with all these people
that were exposed, they'll be able to treat it. But
if it's not treated, it's almost like one hundred percent deadly,
especially the versions that are in the lung and the blood.
The one that is in the lymph node is a
little bit more treatable, a little bit more treatable, but
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not completely treatable, especially if if they do not get antibiotics,
it's very deadly.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I feel like in historical drawings they draw the lesions
to look like they're black. So is that where like
the name could have come from.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
You can get I don't think that they did that's
where the name came from. That's just another thing that
could happen. So if you have it in your blood,
you can get a condition called DIC, which is when
it's a very weird condition where at first your blood
clots throughout your body and then since all of the
clotting factors are used for all those clots. All of
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a sudden you start bleeding everywhere because there's no clotting
factors left and no platelets left to clog the blood
and or to clot the blood. So all of these
clots in throughout the body can cause especially in the
fingertips and the toes, it could cause them to turn
black because the blood with the oxygen in it is
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not able to get to the fingers and not able
to get to the toes, so that can cause it
to be black. But I don't know just based upon
I'm not like a historian or anything, and this is
something that we should talk to doctor Lindsay Fitzaris about probably,
But it does not appear that that's where it got
its name from because that didn't happen in every patient.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, so all right to confirm though, this patient died
from mneumonic plague, because I've been seeing graphics going around
social media that said he died from bubonic plague. And
they're different.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, they're different. And like I said, he could have
had bubonic plague in his armpits which then went his lungs.
And that's another thing too, that when he went to
the hospital on top of having these symptoms of how
he was coughing and that weird spudum I was talking about,
he could have had really enlarged, like egg size lymph
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nodes in his armpit. That made the doctors and nurses
be like, holy shit, something's up with this guy. And
so he could have got it from breathing it in
from someone, and he could have gotten it from a flea.
I just think it's interesting that they're saying that they're
sure it wasn't from a prairie dog, Like, how are
they sure already at this point, I don't know, So
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that makes me think that they think that he just
breathed it in and that was how he got it.
So well, obviously they'll do an investigation on this. But
in situations like that, there's really cool jobs called epidemiologists,
and they start visiting the home and they start figuring out,
(30:56):
like they ask all sorts of questions like has this
has your family member traveled, where do they work, what
kind of animals are they exposed to? So it obviously
would be more easy to get in cases where you're
around rodents and if they have because you know, fleas
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are fleas are fricking terrible. They're like lice on animals, right,
so it's very hard to get rid of. So if
one gets them, it's easy to catch the other one.
And it could be in a whole population of animals.
But I'm just I am curious because they'll eventually track
it back to see where they believe it came from.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All Right, So there's been this myth, so to speak,
that if you eat cheese before bid it could give
you nightmares. Have you ever experiences I, you know what.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't want to sound ignorant or anything, but I
really never thought about the food that I ate necessarily
causing nightmares or not. I know for sure. Because there's
this funny meme going around. I think I sent it
to you about taking melatonin before bed. It's like this
giant like cockroach like attacking somebody or something.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I don't yeah, it's it's just like some outrageous thing.
And it's like, oh, this is my dreams when I
take melatonin, because I have noticed I actually don't take
melatonin that much because every single time I do, I
get like these crazy dreams. But I never really, I
never really have correlated something I ate to having dreams.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I had a really crazy dream last night, and I mean,
I guess it's gonna make sense for what we're going
to talk about by I had like treslutches before I
went to sleep, so maybe it was just all that sugar.
But basically, this new study was done looking into the
relationship between certain food, sleep and dreams. So how did
they conduct this study exactly?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So I think the title of this article is a
little bit misleading. I guess I would say in a way,
although it's it's relevant, but they they tested one thousand
and eighty two psychology students with an online survey, so
it's not it's not like one hundred percent scientific, and
they're going to have to do more studies. But this
online survey probed food habits, how long the person slept,
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the quality of the dreams, the quality of the nightmares.
And in this small, relatively small study, they said that
people with food sensitivities had the most disturbing or bizarre dreams.
Thirty one percent of them blamed them on desserts or suits,
and twenty two percent blamed it on dairy. So this
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study has determined that there's a big association between lactose
intolerance and food allergies, and the researcher's reasoning is because,
so if you have lactose intolerance, especially because I know
I do, right, it gives you like terrible stomach pains
and it could give you gas and diarrhea. So they're saying,
if you have that before you go to bed and
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then you go to sleep, you're not getting a sound
of asleep because your body itself is keeping you awake.
And when you're not getting into a very deep sleep,
that's when you could start having those like weird ass
nightmares and stuff. And it's just it's just really interesting
because they were saying that people who seemed to have
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had a healthier diet were they were having a deeper sleep,
and they weren't able they weren't as able to recall
their dreams, but when they did recall their dreams, they
seemed to be good, like good dreams. Whereas the people
that were eating kind of shitty and this is like
junk food, processed food, potato chips and stuff, they were
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able to recall their dreams very easily because they remember
them because they never really got a deep night sleep
and On top of that, those dreams were very vivid
and oftentimes scary.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, I mean I can understand that I've heard the
myth about the cheese, but I don't like, I don't know,
you know, I'm like, yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Cheese itself is like, I mean, it could happen if
you have. I honestly would think ice cream would be
the worst because not only is it is it dairy,
but it's also has sugar in it. Like, I feel
like that would be the headline more of of ice
cream giving you nightmares, you know what I mean. Cheese
obviously could too, but they're actually chase, Yeah, exactly, you
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had three milks with sugar, Like.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I don't know, it's pretty delicious. I'd say it was
worth it, even though I wait, where did you get
a gluten free treuslat Chase, Wegmans? And it's delicious really well,
it's you know how they call it like made with
no gluten containing ingredients to get sued. Yeah, but I
don't know, it's pretty bay and so yeah, I highly
recommend not paid, not paid endorsement.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Clearly don't eat it before you go to bed though.
All right, So uh, this next story is is just
fricking weird and the thing is so scary. This is
real nightmare fuel a yeah right, speaking of nightmares.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So, what appeared to be a teddy bear made of
human skin was found outside of a convenience store over
the weekend, and when police got a call for possible
human remains, they were looking at it, but discover that
the bear was actually made from latex and was possibly
planted there as a prank.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So I when I first read this article, I was
just like, okay, whatever, And I looked at it and
I was like, yo, this shit looks like ed Gains,
like buffalo bill creepy it. I could see that a
person that might not really examine tissue often would think
that that's what it was because it was designed to
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look that like human skin, and it looks pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I don't think this is a funny prank at all.
I mean, people do horrible things like this.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I mean it's kind of funny, come on.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I don't know, but the bear was made by an artist.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I just really wonder like when the cops showed up
and stuff, like, did they legit be like, holy shit,
we have some crazy mfror like living around here, or
did they know right away.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
So you look at real human tissue, so you're saying
it looks pretty really, I.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Didn't hold it in my hands, and I'm just looking
at a picture at it. But when I look at it,
I'm like just just knowing that that this is a thing. Right,
it looks like it like it was supposed to look
like it was human skin that was sewed together to
make a teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Like it looks it looks pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So if I held it in my hand with gloves
and examined it, I'm sure I would be able to tell.
But the guy that makes them does does like prosthetics right,
like like Halloween masks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Like he's good, well you know what, he's this guy.
His name's Robert Kelly, the artist that made this. You know,
this is what when we like to say this is
press you could never buy like this. This happened. It
was a customer bought this. He recalled shipping one to
that area I guess before this took place. But he
specializes in making these horror props. So he sells these
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human skin like teddy bears on his website and people
are clearly into them. But now he's getting all this
great press for well, not great because some people are
freaked out, but it's good promotion for his business. And
I'm especially sure a lot of our listeners are into
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
So now sure, I'm like, I kind of want one
for my couch.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Now You're like, do you want to mail us one,
Robert Kelly, No, it is.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It really is creepy looking, though, and it just makes
you know every especially like everyone has seen the Silence
of the Lambs and they know about Ed Gaines and
stuff like that, and it just totally has that vibe.
So I can't imagine who found it, and just remember,
like I want to hear the naymone call. I want
to hear all of it, Like I want to hear
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what the cops have to say. It's I'm really curious.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Well, this would be good promotion too, because Ryan Murphy's
currently doing the next Monster's installment, which is gonna be
about Ed gain played by that fine specimen Charlie Hunum
from Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But I don't know any of these people. I mean,
obviously I know a game.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
But yeah, that it's it's disturbing to look at and
I feel like people like us that are like, I
like this term cheryl uses forensic storytellers. We often see
these highly disturbing pictures of people that do these things
with real human body parts. So when you see something
like this that is fake, I guess I can see
the prank element of it, but you can't probably go there.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, like the cops and the CSI people had the
biggest letdown ever because they were like, Oh my god,
this is going to be like the new serial killer
case right in our town. And then all of a
sudden they're like, oh, that's fake.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I believe Did this happen in Sam Bernardino, Yeah, okay,
so this is the same as Act police department. Speaking
of Lamb Funeral Home we were talking about in the ad,
they responded to the call from the former soldier who
liberated Auschwitz that he smelled burning flo the air, and
they go to this warehouse that's called oscar Ceramics that
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was registered as a business that made tiles for NASA,
and then they go in there and there's hundreds of
bodies and kilns in there. So what did they think
when they first walked in there. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I imagine imagine being a police officer there though, now like,
how are you ever going to top the experience of
the people in the past of your department? This could
have been it for them, It could.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Have been it. I'm sure somebody will be inspired to
do a more fucked up crime.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Somebody listening right now is like, you know what, I'm
gonna make.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
A real one exactly, which is even more disturbing. Please don't, please, please,
please please don't. We don't need a real life Silence
of the Lambs.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
If you do, put a cute little Mother Knows Death
t shirt on it or something.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
So please don't. I don't want to be associated with
the real psycho that's going to do something like that. Okay,
let's move on to questions of the day. Every Friday
at that Mother Knows Deastagram account, you guys can head
over to our story and ask whatever you want. First,
I'm an RN and it's fulfilling, but have interest in autopsy,
So is there a way to be involved with both?
(41:11):
This person says they're aware of sayings but would rather
help at the emmy.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
So the answer I'm going to give you is I
would probably say no, and let me give you my reasoning.
So you can with your education, get a job at
the Medical Examiner's office and do autopsies or be a
crime scene investigator. But the problem is is that it's
going to be a drastic cut in pay compared to
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what a nurse makes. If you just so happen to
have like a rich daddy and you don't need to
worry daddy or is that daddy or what?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Or azaddy?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
What's a zaddy?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I think a zaddy is I'm probably gonna botch this term.
Is like a handsome, rich guy that takes care of you.
So it's not like you're dad taking care of you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's like, oh, like I sugar, that's what I That's
what I meant by daddy. I didn't mean like your
real dad, but okay. Or if you're like a rich
kid or something like that, and you don't need to
worry about paying bills and having any kind of a
you know, you don't worry about your cost of living
and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Daddy's just a guy that takes care of a younger
girl and gives him money. And then a zaddy is
a handsome older man that takes care of a girl.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, well, if you're zaddy or daddy whatever, if not,
if you're like ninety nine point nine percent of the
rest of the population that actually needs to survive off
the money that you make at work. I mean, like, listen,
I'm all about doing what you love for a living,
but you have to make money too, and right now
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you make way more money than that they make. So
there are some there are some situations where a nurse
could work at a medical examiner, sometimes in bigger cities
like New York City, which would pay you more money,
but then the cost of living would be more too,
So I don't know if that's comparable to the increased
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cost of living there, And there's not obviously, like there's
only so many of those jobs. It's the same exact
way in the hospital. You're not going to be able
to do autopsies in the hospital unless you're a PA
like me. And if you do want to assist with
doctors and smaller hospitals, you would be considered like a
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morg assistant, which is just going to be addressed to
cut and pay for, compared to an RN. And I
understand what the sane nurse, which is a sexual assault
nurse investigator. I understand why you don't want to do
that because that's kind of not anywhere near what we
do in autopsy, that is investigating sexual assaults, and then
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you're having contact with patients that are alive as an
in horrible situations, and I could see that that it's
a very special job. It's definitely not for everyone. I
definitely would never do it. So the only other option
that you have is just if you're an RN. I
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don't even know. I'm assuming at this point that you
have a bachelor's degree or you're working on it, because
I'm not even sure how much longer you could work
as an RN with the associate's degree. But my only
thing I could tell you is that you can go
back to school and at least you have a lot
of the classes that you already need, and you could
go to school and get a bachelor's degree and you
(44:37):
could either be like a crime scene investigator. You could
go for PA and do all topsyason get a master's degree.
The problem is you're going to run into this problem
is that as an RN you make pretty good money
compared to all of the jobs that you can get
in forensics on any other level besides being a physician.
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Oh that's the only advice I could give you is
to go back to school.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Okay, Nicole. With your recent cancer diagnosis, has there been
a change in your daily health routine?
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Really? I am more like yesterday I went outside for
a couple hours and I was doing some gardening, and
I made sure to put like really thick suntan Lucien
and silicon suntan stuff on my scar, as well as
wear a hat, which in the past, I don't think
I would have been that nuts about it just being
outside for an hour. So yeah, for sure, I am.
(45:40):
I am more worried about it now and worried about
getting sunburn and stuff. But I mean not really, I'm
just right now. I'm like, yeah, like I guess every night,
like I'm putting on this scar tape still, and I'm
going I'm actually going at the end of this week
to get my scar lazered or to get him to
(46:00):
look at it to see if he wants to laser it.
So I'm just trying to work on this scar but
nothing else.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I mean, really, I think your scar looks pretty good
though I know that you want it lasered, but and
you can't really tell when you have makeup on but
I think even when you don't have makeup on it,
it looks like it's healing pretty good. Yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
It's it's pretty red though, so and it's just in
an area where I always had a lot of inflammation.
So I would like it to be lighter because it
is definitely obvious, especially if I'm not wearing makeup. But
I mean, it's it's getting there, and it's good. It's
only been what May, I got it done, so it's
only been a couple of months. But yeah, I'm not
really not. I don't really do anything anything crazy for
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it or any right, I mean I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
No, all right, last, do you guys have a day job?
This is our day job?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Well this this is this is not our date. Well
I wouldn't say this is our day job. Like the
gross room is our major job.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
That grossroom is both of our full time jobs. Believe
it or not. It takes I know people want everything
for free, but it does take full days of work
to run that, and then on top of that to
do this and do the social media.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, it's it's just yeah, you know what's funny. I
used to think before I started doing this, a long
time ago, I would listen to people on the radio,
right and they would only have to be on the
radio like three hours a day, and I used to say, like, wow,
that must be a really awesome job, Like you just
have to show up at twelve and you're done by three,
(47:42):
and that's awesome. And you just don't you don't really
think about all of the work that goes into an episode.
Even though it just seems like you're talking about a
lot of things very easily, there still needs to be
some kind of a plan and you need to look
into things, and just gathering all the stories takes time
and everything like that. And I mean it's the same
(48:05):
exact thing for the grosser Room too, because obviously I
want the gross Room to be as medically accurate as possible.
And I'm just I'll be the first to tell you
that I don't know everything. Some things that I write
about I've never heard about, or I might have learned
about in school fifteen years ago and I just don't remember.
So it's just a lot of research on the back end,
(48:27):
and especially our bigger articles that we write every week
in the grosser Room, they could take days for us
to write, so and then we have other stuff going
on too, like crime Con that, like I'm going to
be working on that lecture for weeks and things like that.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
So just all of our different projects.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Plus I have two little kids too, so yeah, and
I have a husband and a family and a house
to run and everything like that. So we have trust me,
we're busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I guess if you didn't see it on Instagram, we
are going to crime Yeah, so we are.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Suppose we're going to come con surprise. I need to
start working on that lecture because that's gonna take me
a couple of weeks to write. Honestly, I think.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Like exactly what you're saying. You just have this mentality
of like, oh you what you guys see is only
you know, one hour episode or three small episodes every week,
like maybe three hours of content a week, right, But
there's a lot of behind the scenes things that go on,
you know. It's like the gathering stories, the writing notes,
the editing, the making social clips, the meetings we have
(49:35):
to have with our network, like the other meetings we
have to have to do things like crime Con and
our meet and greet and stuff in Atlanta over the weekend. Which,
by the way, to everybody that came out to that,
thank you so much. It was awesome. Cheryl is like
the most amazing person ever we had.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
We just said as time. We had such a good
time and we met such great people. It was it
was really nice. But just even thinking about that, like
us leaving, both of us leaving for a week, it
was like, not only were we working while we were there,
but we had to do all of the work for
not only the podcast but for the gross room the
week before, so we had to do double you know,
(50:10):
like and then we the same thing when we went
on the cruise. It was like, we don't even though
we technically can get off for vacation, it's not really
because you have to do double work before you leave,
but we always we don't want you guys to have
a like a lapse in content if it's possible, so
we try not to ever really like take off as
far as what you guys.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
See, Yeah, cause you know you left a couple of
days before me and everybody kept joking like what are
you gonna do with your days off? Of Like I
am not off, Like last Monday, I was working twelve
hours Tuesday twelve hours Wednesday twelve hours. It's like there
is beauty in our job having flexibility. You work for
yourself and everything, but like this is a business and
(50:51):
business things are happening behind the scenes too. It's not like,
you know, you're just talent and you roll on in
and yeap for like an hour and then you go home.
You know, it's it is a lot of work, but
it's worth it because it's our dream job and business
and you guys seem to like it.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, we we love it. So it's just it's just
a different it's just a different kind of job. Like
believe me, I have meltdown sometimes and say, like I
just wish I worked at the hospital, because you know what,
when I was off Friday and I had off two weeks,
Like it just was like I left on Friday, and
then I was off two weeks and I was off.
(51:28):
Now like I'm we're kind of just never off, you know,
because we could be on the it's like on the cruise,
like we have to bring our laptops and stuff because
we're like what if the website crashes and and we
have to answer question you know, Like even to that
point a couple of years ago, I want to say
this was three or four years ago.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
At this point. It was Christmas Eve. We were setting
up for the.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Kid God yeah, and this terrible.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Eleven o'clock at night, the website crashed and guess who
has to be on the phone with the server? Me,
so like or yeah, you know, it's no, it sucked
because it was it was.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Me and Maria. We were wrapping like all of the
presents for the kids and stuff, and that's a tradition
we do every year, getting the tree ready and everything.
And then it was like Maria's that like that special
time we'll usually share with each other. We're like on
the phone with these people and like trying to figure
out like what the hell's going on, and you know,
(52:23):
you get all the members start saying what's going on?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
What's going you know, and it's like I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, And we feel terrible because we don't you know,
we don't want you guys to think like something's up.
So we've we've gotten better at being able to communicate
with people though through email and stuff like that. But yeah,
so we we're busy.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
It is just funny though, when somebody's like, so that's
what you do full time and you're like, yeah, it
is my full time job.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I actually yeah, like I actually work way more now
than I did when I just went to work.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Ever, because yeah, to your point, like when my husband
comes home from work, for example, he's all like he
doesn't have to worry about it. He's home, there's nothing
to do, Like, you know, I'm just like constantly racking
my brain of like what's happening. I gotta check my
emails all the time. Whatever. But you trade it off
because you have the flexibility you want. You own your
own business, you're building your own brand, and that's what
(53:18):
makes it all worth it.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, it's it for the most part.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
It's good. It's good for them. There's days worth Yeah,
there's definitely.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Days that you have a meltdown and you're just like,
my life was so much easier back then. But it's good.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, but whatever. We appreciate you guys very much though,
and that's why you know, we love doing events like
we did in Atlanta. That's why we look forward to
events like crime Con. We get to meet so many
of you and get to share what we're trying to
do with you, and that's what makes it all worth it.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
No, you know what the best moment was ever at
our meet and greet. So we had one of our
listeners come all the way from Illinois. Hi, if you're listening.
She came all the way. She's a nurse from Illinois,
and she came all the way to see to meet
us at the meet and greet, and we were just
hanging out in a tavern situation and Gabe came at
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the end with the kids and sure enough, like we
look over at Gabe and he's freaking eating hot dogs, right,
And she looks over at him and she's like, yeah,
I know from one of your last episodes that your
husband likes hot dogs. And I look over at him
and I'm like, yeah, I kind of called you a
hot dog horror on one of the episodes. And he
looked at me with like these eyes, like what are
you talking about? But yeah, it's just like it just
(54:34):
was really cool because I'm like, oh, like she like
she was listening to us say that and then like
noticed that he was eating them like that. It's just funny.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Wasn't an exaggeration. He really is a hot dog hors.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, it wasn't so all right, cool guys, Well, thanks
for coming to our events. We hope we got some
new listeners out of it too, because we got to
meet such awesome people and also we met such cool
people that we'll be able to have on the show. Friends,
artists and just psychiatrists, all different reporters. Just it's like
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really cool people that we think you guys will really love.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, and of course thank you to the Hateville Police
Department for hosting your police training and to the Georgia
Bandage Museum for hosting one of our lectures.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
It was fast, please, I was. When we were there,
I was like so bummed out that we don't live
near these people. I know, I was right, I know,
I know. I was like, I love these guys. I
want to see them more. So it was kind of
and I'm just like, you guys are like fourteen hours
away from me. It was such a bumber though. They
were so nice.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Well, the good thing is is we're always taking road trips,
so of course you could always try to make that
a stop and yep in there and visit. If you
guys live, we'll be back.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, And they live near Stranger Things Land, which is
always the destination for us.
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It's definitely good to be back. If you're interested in
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Speaker 2 (56:01):
That is gonna be so good this year.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
Oh yeah, Marcia Clark is going, which I'm already dying.
Beth Karris, who's my new Nancy's going, So I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
She did a lot with you know, I remember you
said that she did a lot with the Jodie Trial.
I know who she is.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah, I think it's going to be absolutely incredible. They
haven't even finished announcing everybody that's going, so like, we're
kind of in the darkness as much as you, guys,
but I'm fangirling just as much every time they make
new announcements of like, oh my god, I can't wait together.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, exactly. It's it's it's awesome. It's like the coolest
thing ever that you could just go in one spot
and really see, especially if you're a true crime person,
like you could see twenty people that you know in
this world. It's just so cool.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
So yeah, it's a really unique experience and It's awesome
that they're able to put something like that together. And
it's gonna be in Denver, which is such a beautiful
city too.
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I've never been.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
have an update from a story we brought you on
one of the very first episodes of Mother Knows Death,
involving the son of a legendary TV agent who was
accused of killing and dismembering his wife and her parents.
We are also going to talk about the dangers of
digging holes at the beach, a kid who got stuck
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in a claw machine, a case of the Black plague
right here in the United States, a teddy bear made
of human skin, and one of life's biggest mysteries, does
cheese give you nightmares? All that and more on today's episode,
Let's get started with this Sam Haskell Junior case.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I honestly can't believe we have an update on a
case we covered almost two years ago that never happens
to us. Yeah, right, So, Sam Haskell Junior. He is
the son of Hollywood agent Sam Haskell. Back in November
twenty twenty three, he had been arrested for killing his
wife and her parents, dismembering them and throwing them in
trash bags. If everybody recalls he had hired people to
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throw the trash bags out for him and said they
were filled with rocks, and then when they were dealing
with them, they noticed the bags were a little squishy,
so they went in to look in them and shockingly
found the remains of a human. So they called police,
he got arrested, and now he has killed himself in
prison by slitting his wrists.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So we have to mention that the human was his
wife's torso and her parents are also missing, but their
pieces or their bodies have never been found, which is
so disturbing. I guess he was supposed to be having
a hearing in the next couple of weeks, and they
are reporting that he killed himself in prison by slitting
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his risks.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I was reading too that he had formerly been on
suicide watch and at this time was not. I wonder
just how that works, like when you determine somebody's not
going to do it or not. I mean, he was
only a couple of days away from this preliminary hearing
to decide if he was going to trial or not.
You would think around big hearings, especially somebody that had
a history of it, they'd be watching a little more.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I guess they have psychological analysis to see where they're at.
And you know, obviously this kid is also some kind
of like rich kid brat, right, So going from having
a life of extreme privilege to going in prison could
make anyone suicidal, right, So maybe that's what they thought.
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It was just an initial adjustment period or something. But
I mean prisoners are always caught with ships or shanks,
which are homemade prison sharp weapons essentially, so it would
be very easy to slice the race artery and you
could bleed out from that. It is a slower death
then let's say if you cut the carotid artery up
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in the neck. But for sure, I mean some of
these prisoners sharpened down toothbrushes and it's just as sharp
as a knife. It could cut in sever an artery.
And if he wasn't found in a timely fashion and
he did it in a certain kind of way, he
sure could have bled to death right there in his
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prison cell.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah. I could totally see that happening. And you know,
they said they found a suicide note at the scene
where he said he was going to miss his three
little best friends who were his children. But TMZ had
reported that I guess around the time of the murders,
maybe just before or after, he had bought a one
way plane ticket to Japan with his girlfriend, so it
looks like he was going to be leaving them anyway,
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So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And also, yeah, and why would you kill their only
caregivers and then put the last one in prison? So
he killed his wife, his in laws that lived with him,
that also took care of the children, and then he
was in jail. So who even knows who they're living
with right now? But clearly, I mean, this guy was
(04:13):
off big time, so who knows what was going on there,
But that's it, end the story. I guess.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Do you think people should rethink rename or naming their
children after themselves when you know this guy was a
super powerful Hollywood agent and now has the same name
as his son who is a killer.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I never really thought about that, but that is
definitely something to consider because obviously, every time a person
as a kid, they think that their kid is going
to turn out more wonderful than them, right, But that
doesn't always happen, And in this case, he's definitely m
tarnishing the family name for sure. But I mean, this
guy's older for sure, and obviously the children. I mean,
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who knows what his children's names are as well. Hopefully
one of his children doesn't have his name getting carried
on because it's not like Joe Smith or something. It's
a pretty recognizable name, especially in the California area.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, totally, and this place in the Matt Murphy's theory
that killers are descendants of or they're typically spoiled brats,
These rich kids that just grow up and don't get
their way in the world. Isn't what they thought it
was when they were little kids. So I think it's
really interesting we're seeing this high profile example of that.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, it's it's really a shame though, I mean, just
thinking about children having to go through something like that
is just terrible. I mean, and eventually, and they're little now,
but eventually they're going to grow up and find out
what happened. And it's just it's the same way I
feel about like oj and Nicole Brown symptoms the little kids,
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you know, like they they were little children when that happened,
and how different and terrible their life would be growing
up being in the center of something like that.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
No, totally, because it's like, not only is your mother dead,
but your dad's in jail. Well, I guess he got
out and he was acquitted obviously, but he's accused of
this horrific crime which we all know we did it,
and then you have to deal with the most famous
trial of all time, and then the legacy of it
just never goes away. Yeah. I would have to change
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my name to try to not be associated with it
at all.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Okay, let's get into this second story. So last week,
a teen was on vacation in Italy with his parents
and three younger siblings. So at the beach, the teenager
dug a five foot tunnel in the sand. He went
to go climb under it, and then unfortunately it caved
in and trapped him beneath the sand.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I feel like we had a story like this last
year and the year before that. You always hear of
these horrible stories happening on the beach like this, and
a lot of times people don't realize. Essentially, if you're
digging a hole in the sand, you're digging a ditch,
and people that do that for a living know that
the ditch cannot be deeper than your shoulders because if
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it collapses, you'll die. There's no way that you're going
to be able to get out of that, and the
sand will just compress your chest and cause asphyxia. We
have a terrible case in the grossroom, actually called buried alive,
and in that case, the autopsy showed that the back
of the mouth and the esophagus as well as the
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trachea which is the windpipe, was impacted with sand so much.
And it happened in a person that ended up digging
a trench that was too deep and was buried alive essentially,
and you just would not believe how much sand was
in there. And it's just so disturbing to see that
that guy was under the sand and trying to breathe,
(07:47):
and as he was trying to breathe, the sand just
kept impacting within his throat and his esophagus. It's just super,
super disturbing. So I hate to hear this happen with
any parents. The dad was taking a nap under an
umbrella and woke up and didn't see the seventeen year old,
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so by the time anyone realized it happened. Because obviously
the article kind of contradicts itself because some people say
some people in the article were interviewed and said it
was so quiet nobody even knew it happened until it
was too late. And then other people were saying that
they heard him screaming under the sand, which I'm not
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exactly sure about that, just because if your mouth is
filled with sand as you're trying to breathe, I mean,
I guess you could make some kind of a noise,
but it definitely might not even be super loud, just
because your airway is literally blocked with sand.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Well that's what I was going to ask you. So
if this happens to you, do you die immediately or
do you have a couple of minutes?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, you have some time for sure, as your airway
is blocked off. I mean clearly would probably pass out first.
Just having a lack of oxygen to your brain for
only a few seconds could really just make you become unconscious.
But then if you don't have that oxygen after that,
then that would just cause you to die. And I
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just feel so terrible for this dad. He said, he
grabs some local lifeguards just frantically searching for your child
underneath of this pile of sand, only to pull them
out and they're dead and there's no way to revive them.
It's just such a freak accident. And I mean, listen,
every single time I go to the beach with my kids,
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the first thing they want to do is dig a hole.
It's just something that kids want to do. It's just
a natural thing. And not only that you need to
obviously teach them about cases like this, but also if
kids build a big hole in the sand, and this
exact thing happened to us that the kids when we
were in Bermuda, the kids made this huge hole and
(09:59):
then we were and ready to leave and they're like, Okay,
let's go, and I'm like, no, you need to fill
this hole up because an old person could fall in
the hole and get really hurt. Not even an old person,
any person.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So, I mean, there's lots of dangers on the beach
aside from the most common thing that people think of
his drowning. But we've talked about on this program people
getting impaled with beach umbrellas. There's like all sorts of
freak accidents that could happen.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. I feel like the sand story is just one
of those ones we have every single summer. We just
see all different circumstances with it. And obviously it's not
only relevant to really little kids. This kid was seventeen.
You could probably argue he was the size of a
full blown adult.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
It could really happen to anybody. Okay, in Ohio, the
cutest little boy ever goes up to this claw machine
and starts climbing through the prize chute, got stuck and
then had to be rescued by emergency workers. So were
you watching this video where you see all these other
adults walking by see what's going on and just not
doing anything to help.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the world we live in
right now. One time, I don't know if you remember this,
but Luchia was really little, she was like three years old,
and I was at We were all at this hair
salon in Philly on Frankfort Avenue, which is a pretty
busy street, getting our hair cut, and I was getting
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my hair shampooed or something, and I had my eyes
off of them for a second. And this is one
hundred percent my fault, just assuming that since they were
sitting right next to me, that they were safe, and
Luchia ended up running out of the out of the
hair salon onto the street right so, and this all
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happened within seconds. So I ran after her, and I'm
like chasing after her. She's in my eyesight. And Frankfort
Avenue is a busy street where there's multiple stores and
coffee shops and people walking around, and this little two
or three year old kid is running up the sidewalk
all by herself with not an adult right near her,
(12:06):
and not one person was like, Oh, let me see
where this kid's going. She ran into a cross street,
Like thank god, nothing happened. But I just thought it
was because she was in my eyesight, but I wasn't
close enough to get her. I mean, she just was
like that kind of kid that ran away so fast,
and I just I just wanted to say to people,
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like you didn't think it was weird that this little
kid was like running into the street. You're just like,
not gonna I don't know. I just think it's a
responsibility that you have as a person. Sometimes we're in public,
like we might be on the boardwalk, and then you
see a little kid that's all by themselves that shouldn't
be all by themselves, they're too little, and then you
just kind of start looking around and looking for their parents,
(12:50):
because kids get lost in wander all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Listen, I agree with you one hundred percent, because that
did happen to me on the boardwalk one time. It
was early in the morning. I went we were staying
down the show for the weekend. I went to get
a coffee, and I see this little boy wandering by himself,
and there's no adult anywhere around. So of course, I'm like,
I have to do the right thing, and Ricky's like,
mind your business, this isn't our problem, and I'm like,
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this is one of those typical like women have like
motherly instincts, where if you're just a good person, you're
gonna jump in and go help this kid. I'm like,
when you have a kid, you'll understand how important it
is to help a wandering little kid, because if your
kid was aimlessly wandering and lost from you, you would
wonder why every other adult didn't help that kid too.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's just a bizarre thing to think about looking at
a kid doing something like that, even if you didn't
want to get involved, Like wouldn't you look around and
be like, okay, where's their parent? And then clearly you
didn't see anybody, And like I said, like, kids wander
all the time, and just I was in an arcade
a couple of weeks ago, and it's like, I don't
know that I would have thought that my kid would
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do something like that. So this is just happens all
the time, that kids getting crazy situations. And I definitely
sent this story to Gabe because I was like, oh,
here's another thing. The firefighters had to come rescue this
kid out of a claw machine and it's kind of
funny just to see his head like peking up through
the stuffed animals in the machine. But at the same time,
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he wedged his way into the chute, which could have
been a smaller size, and he really could have gotten
stuck and had a positional asphyxia or something that he
wasn't able to get out and was having a difficult
time breathing. So luckily this ends up being kind of
a funny story that this kid can tell when he
gets older. But anytime the police or fire have to
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get called to get your kids stuck out of a situation,
it's scary for the parents at the time, And luckily
it just all worked out well.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, And like you're saying, like I don't think this
is on the negligence of the mother this if you're
watching the video, I mean he gets in there and
under a minute. It's very quick, and then she has
a young baby on her arm when she runs over
and realizes he's stuck in there. I hate to bring
this story up. My mom's gonna be so upset. But
I got lost when I was little when she was
watching me at a fall festival, and it happened in
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a matter of seconds, and luckily I found this old
lady that brought me to a fireman and it got
resolved very quickly. But I'm sure that was the worst
couple of minutes of her life, thinking I was.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
This story is actually the funniest. Maria went up to
either a firefighter or a cop. I don't really remember
what the story is, but I remember this part of
it that because I was at work at the time,
and I remember this happened, and they were at this
like a pumpkin festival thing, so there was just lots
of people there painting pumpkins and doing fall things. And
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she went up to this officer and said, Hi, my
name is Maria Qualteriri. I'm five years old and I'm lost.
I thought that that was so great.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Well, that's she's She's just tell you guys, she's always
been like this. That's gonna have to be a chapter
in the memoir. I'd love to write one day with you.
It is so ridiculous. And there was that time I
called nine one one too because I thought you guys
left me alone, but somebody was at the house. But Jesus,
(16:18):
maybe you should Sammy West.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Kind of conversation went down then too. You were just like, Hi,
my name is Maria. It was the same year too. Hi,
my name's Maria Qualteriri. I'm five years old and I'm
home alone. That's what you said to the to the
nine one one. They actually thought it was so funny,
like they told us when when you know, when they
called the cops, and of course like, she's just like
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my kids. This is something my kids do every day,
especially in the summer, like they do a quick look around,
and they they one time they called Gabe and said
that they didn't know where I was, and I was
home alone, and I was like out in the back gardening,
and I'm just like, did they even open the door
and look outside see if I was here? Like just
it's just like a funny thing kids do.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Do you think the Gladora Police Department will hand over
the nine one one call that I made in probably
nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yes, I'm sure of it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That would be amazing. But yeah, things that happened quick.
Kids are wanderers. I'm not for putting leish on children
at all. You know, they may I am backpack.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
I'm telling you, listen. I always used to like think
that I was never gonna be that parent. And when
Luceya did that that day, like I could not believe
how she got away from me and ran away from
me so fast and I could not get her and
just seeing your child like from afar and not being
able to get to them, and she just had no
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fear of like running in a lot of people running
in the street. Not no, because like kids don't understand
the street, right. I was just like, no, I don't care.
Like when we went to the zoo after that and stuff,
I was just like, I'm having this thing attached to her.
I don't even care because the kid got away from
me easily, and I was just like, I don't give
a shit if every person here is judging me right now,
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Like I'm not going to deal with a kid that
gets hurt like that.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah. I never experienced a kid running like that until her.
And that's the first time ever I understood like why
those backpacks exist. She she was a runner. She did
it everywhere. She did it at the mall. She did it.
If we were like walking around and had it feel
it's scary.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, it's just like really funny how you could have
like Maria and Lillian were totally if I was just
like you stick like Lou Like, they literally would be
right next to me the whole time. And Lulu always
took advantage of like, oh her eyes looking the other way.
I'm out, like and I'm gonna chet. It was like
a cat opening the door when uh, when they're indoor
cats just getting out. Funny.
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So a person's died from the plague in northern Arizona.
I didn't think this was around anymore. It is.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's just not common. I mean, there's one to two
thousand cases a year worldwide, and in our country we
have a few cases here and there. It is like
a little bit of a weird case, though because they
don't know quite yet how the person got it initially.
(20:45):
So when you get the plague, which is caused by
a bacteria called yourcinius pestis, it's caused in most cases
you either catch it from somebody or you catch it
from getting bit by a flea has bit an infected
animal such as a rodent usually right, So they were saying,
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initially there was this prairie dog like mass prairie dog
death somewhere in Flagstaff, Arizona, So they were thinking that
that could potentially be it, because that's something that you
might see in cases of plague. But they have since
said that it's not from prairie dogs, so they're not
(21:27):
exactly sure where they got it. But what happened was
this guy went to the hospital and went from like
zero to dead very soon and had what appears to be,
based upon the articles that I read, that he had
pneumonic plague. The plague bacteria is called your sinius pestis,
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like I said, and all of the different plagues that
you could get black plague is the generalized term, depends
on the location of your body where you get it infected.
So the most common and the one that would you
would have the most likely chance of survival. Is called
bubonic plague, and that causes these little things called or
(22:09):
big things you should say called bubas I think that's
how you would pronounce it. But they're essentially really enlarged
lymph nodes. They could commonly be in the groin or
the armpit and they could get as big as an egg.
And these lymph nodes can rupture and have pus and
blood and stuff in them. So back in the day,
if people got the plague obviously this was in like
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the thirteen hundreds, before they even knew that bacteria caused diseases.
And the reason the plague killed so many people, there
were lots of different factors that caused it. One of
them being just like living into close of quarters and
having this infection spread and not know how it's infecting
and not being hygienic and all this stuff. But one
thing is one of the treatments that they used to
(22:53):
do is like blood let these lesions which used all
of this stuff which was super infectious, and that's how
other people we're getting it as well. So it just
was spreading multiple different ways. So in this case of
this guy having been diagnosed with pneumonic plague. That means
that the bacteria was in his lungs, causing a pneumonia.
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And you could get that two different ways. You could
get that either from breathing in respiratory droplets from a
person that has pneumonic plague, or you could get it
if it goes into your lymph nodes and or into
your blood and then it spreads to your lungs. So
I guess that might be why they're saying that he
(23:34):
didn't get it from a prairie dog, because they think
that he possibly caught it from someone else that had it.
I'm not really sure, but what happened is they they
automatically knew that he was having symptoms of pneumonic plague.
So what the presentation is very fast and the incubation
period is fast. That means do you remember with COVID
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that you would be a exposed to somebody and then
you might not even start showing symptoms for like one
to two weeks. Yeah, so with when you're exposed to
bubonic plague, you start showing symptoms within twenty four hours
of the infection.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, this is what I was gonna ask you, because
like how I was just confused how they knew to
test for it, because I just would assume this isn't
in the normal round of testing because of how rare
it is.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, this is what happens. So he came in and
he was having symptoms, and one of the symptoms is
a little bit weird and it has a little bit
of a different presentation than most typical pneumonias are infections.
So your sputum. Sputum is the grossest specimen ever. But
basically it's like your loogies that you cough up, when
you can cough up all that mucus and stuff when
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you have pneumatic plague. It starts very thin and watery.
It's and it's like a copious amount of fluid that
comes out, and then all of a sudden it turns pink,
and then it turns blood tin and then it could
be like straight up coughing out like blood, like a
lot of it, and it just it's just like a
very weird presentation to happen so fast within twenty four
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hours at the hospital. So number one, they're going to
test that to see what's in it. But more importantly,
he also had it in his blood, so they'll send
the blood cultures down to microbiology and they go on
a machine first, and it's the unfortunate thing is is
that it's not very quick to do these diagnoses because
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you have to wait to see if the bacteria grows.
So the machine will say, Okay, there's bacteria in this blood,
and then the technician will take it off of the
machine and do a work up to see exactly what
that bacteria is. So they knew right away like, Okay,
this guy has just these really weird symptoms kind of
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and then they knew. So he died on the first
of July, and then by the second day he had
already had an autopsy done, and the hospital actually called
the medical examiner's office and was like, uh, this is
suspicious for your sinius pestis. So that clued the medical
examiner to take some lung tissue and send it to
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the state because sometimes when you have these weird infections,
you need to send it to like a special CDC
type of lab or state lab that's doing that test
for these infections. So the hospital was able to identify
that it was possibly that, but just to confirm, they
wanted to do the diagnosis on his actual lung tissue.
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So after that, of course, this could go really bad,
really fast, because it's so contagious. So they want to
be like, where the hell did this guy get this
and who did he catch it from? And we need
to stop this right now, because you have to think
about this. He had family, he had friends, he might
have had a job, all of this stuff that he
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was exposing people to before he got sick enough to
go to the hospital and was coughing all over the place.
Plus you have a typical person that a nurse doctor
that's working in the emergency room isn't wearing a TB
mask that's a fitted respirator, right, so that person's coughing
all over the place in the waiting room. Anybody that
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had exposure to this guy, including the people that did
the autopsy on him, all need to be treated with
antibiotics just to make sure that they don't start showing
symptoms of it as well, because right there you could
see how one person could just get so many people sick.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, that's scary and.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's very, very deadly. It was originally called the black
death because black, just the color black represented death, which
I just don't really understand because then I guess it
was called like the death death, but it was called
that because it's so deadly, and it's still deadly today.
Now they know that it's caused by a bacteria, and
they know what antibiotics kill it. So if they're able
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to catch it in time, especially with all these people
that were exposed, they'll be able to treat it. But
if it's not treated, it's almost like one hundred percent deadly,
especially the versions that are in the lung and the blood.
The one that is in the lymph node is a
little bit more treatable, a little bit more treatable, but
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not completely treatable, especially if if they do not get antibiotics,
it's very deadly.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I feel like in historical drawings they draw the lesions
to look like they're black. So is that where like
the name could have come from.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
You can get I don't think that they did that's
where the name came from. That's just another thing that
could happen. So if you have it in your blood,
you can get a condition called DIC, which is when
it's a very weird condition where at first your blood
clots throughout your body and then since all of the
clotting factors are used for all those clots. All of
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a sudden you start bleeding everywhere because there's no clotting
factors left and no platelets left to clog the blood
and or to clot the blood. So all of these
clots in throughout the body can cause especially in the
fingertips and the toes, it could cause them to turn
black because the blood with the oxygen in it is
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not able to get to the fingers and not able
to get to the toes, so that can cause it
to be black. But I don't know just based upon
I'm not like a historian or anything, and this is
something that we should talk to doctor Lindsay Fitzaris about probably,
But it does not appear that that's where it got
its name from because that didn't happen in every patient.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, so all right to confirm though, this patient died
from mneumonic plague, because I've been seeing graphics going around
social media that said he died from bubonic plague. And
they're different.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, they're different. And like I said, he could have
had bubonic plague in his armpits which then went his lungs.
And that's another thing too, that when he went to
the hospital on top of having these symptoms of how
he was coughing and that weird spudum I was talking about,
he could have had really enlarged, like egg size lymph
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nodes in his armpit. That made the doctors and nurses
be like, holy shit, something's up with this guy. And
so he could have got it from breathing it in
from someone, and he could have gotten it from a flea.
I just think it's interesting that they're saying that they're
sure it wasn't from a prairie dog, Like, how are
they sure already at this point, I don't know, So
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that makes me think that they think that he just
breathed it in and that was how he got it.
So well, obviously they'll do an investigation on this. But
in situations like that, there's really cool jobs called epidemiologists,
and they start visiting the home and they start figuring out,
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like they ask all sorts of questions like has this
has your family member traveled, where do they work, what
kind of animals are they exposed to? So it obviously
would be more easy to get in cases where you're
around rodents and if they have because you know, fleas
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are fleas are fricking terrible. They're like lice on animals, right,
so it's very hard to get rid of. So if
one gets them, it's easy to catch the other one.
And it could be in a whole population of animals.
But I'm just I am curious because they'll eventually track
it back to see where they believe it came from.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
All Right, So there's been this myth, so to speak,
that if you eat cheese before bid it could give
you nightmares. Have you ever experiences I, you know what.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I don't want to sound ignorant or anything, but I
really never thought about the food that I ate necessarily
causing nightmares or not. I know for sure. Because there's
this funny meme going around. I think I sent it
to you about taking melatonin before bed. It's like this
giant like cockroach like attacking somebody or something.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
I don't yeah, it's it's just like some outrageous thing.
And it's like, oh, this is my dreams when I
take melatonin, because I have noticed I actually don't take
melatonin that much because every single time I do, I
get like these crazy dreams. But I never really, I
never really have correlated something I ate to having dreams.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I had a really crazy dream last night, and I mean,
I guess it's gonna make sense for what we're going
to talk about by I had like treslutches before I
went to sleep, so maybe it was just all that sugar.
But basically, this new study was done looking into the
relationship between certain food, sleep and dreams. So how did
they conduct this study exactly?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So I think the title of this article is a
little bit misleading. I guess I would say in a way,
although it's it's relevant, but they they tested one thousand
and eighty two psychology students with an online survey, so
it's not it's not like one hundred percent scientific, and
they're going to have to do more studies. But this
online survey probed food habits, how long the person slept,
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the quality of the dreams, the quality of the nightmares.
And in this small, relatively small study, they said that
people with food sensitivities had the most disturbing or bizarre dreams.
Thirty one percent of them blamed them on desserts or suits,
and twenty two percent blamed it on dairy. So this
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study has determined that there's a big association between lactose
intolerance and food allergies, and the researcher's reasoning is because,
so if you have lactose intolerance, especially because I know
I do, right, it gives you like terrible stomach pains
and it could give you gas and diarrhea. So they're saying,
if you have that before you go to bed and
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then you go to sleep, you're not getting a sound
of asleep because your body itself is keeping you awake.
And when you're not getting into a very deep sleep,
that's when you could start having those like weird ass
nightmares and stuff. And it's just it's just really interesting
because they were saying that people who seemed to have
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had a healthier diet were they were having a deeper sleep,
and they weren't able they weren't as able to recall
their dreams, but when they did recall their dreams, they
seemed to be good, like good dreams. Whereas the people
that were eating kind of shitty and this is like
junk food, processed food, potato chips and stuff, they were
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able to recall their dreams very easily because they remember
them because they never really got a deep night sleep
and On top of that, those dreams were very vivid
and oftentimes scary.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, I mean I can understand that I've heard the
myth about the cheese, but I don't like, I don't know,
you know, I'm like, yeah, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Cheese itself is like, I mean, it could happen if
you have. I honestly would think ice cream would be
the worst because not only is it is it dairy,
but it's also has sugar in it. Like, I feel
like that would be the headline more of of ice
cream giving you nightmares, you know what I mean. Cheese
obviously could too, but they're actually chase, Yeah, exactly, you
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had three milks with sugar, Like.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I don't know, it's pretty delicious. I'd say it was
worth it, even though I wait, where did you get
a gluten free treuslat Chase, Wegmans? And it's delicious really well,
it's you know how they call it like made with
no gluten containing ingredients to get sued. Yeah, but I
don't know, it's pretty bay and so yeah, I highly
recommend not paid, not paid endorsement.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Clearly don't eat it before you go to bed though.
All right, So uh, this next story is is just
fricking weird and the thing is so scary. This is
real nightmare fuel a yeah right, speaking of nightmares.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So, what appeared to be a teddy bear made of
human skin was found outside of a convenience store over
the weekend, and when police got a call for possible
human remains, they were looking at it, but discover that
the bear was actually made from latex and was possibly
planted there as a prank.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
So I when I first read this article, I was
just like, okay, whatever, And I looked at it and
I was like, yo, this shit looks like ed Gains,
like buffalo bill creepy it. I could see that a
person that might not really examine tissue often would think
that that's what it was because it was designed to
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look that like human skin, and it looks pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I don't think this is a funny prank at all.
I mean, people do horrible things like this.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I mean it's kind of funny, come on.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I don't know, but the bear was made by an artist.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I just really wonder like when the cops showed up
and stuff, like, did they legit be like, holy shit,
we have some crazy mfror like living around here, or
did they know right away.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
So you look at real human tissue, so you're saying
it looks pretty really, I.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Didn't hold it in my hands, and I'm just looking
at a picture at it. But when I look at it,
I'm like just just knowing that that this is a thing. Right,
it looks like it like it was supposed to look
like it was human skin that was sewed together to
make a teddy bear.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Like it looks it looks pretty good.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So if I held it in my hand with gloves
and examined it, I'm sure I would be able to tell.
But the guy that makes them does does like prosthetics right,
like like Halloween masks and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Like he's good, well you know what, he's this guy.
His name's Robert Kelly, the artist that made this. You know,
this is what when we like to say this is
press you could never buy like this. This happened. It
was a customer bought this. He recalled shipping one to
that area I guess before this took place. But he
specializes in making these horror props. So he sells these
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human skin like teddy bears on his website and people
are clearly into them. But now he's getting all this
great press for well, not great because some people are
freaked out, but it's good promotion for his business. And
I'm especially sure a lot of our listeners are into
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
So now sure, I'm like, I kind of want one
for my couch.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Now You're like, do you want to mail us one,
Robert Kelly, No, it is.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It really is creepy looking, though, and it just makes
you know every especially like everyone has seen the Silence
of the Lambs and they know about Ed Gaines and
stuff like that, and it just totally has that vibe.
So I can't imagine who found it, and just remember,
like I want to hear the naymone call. I want
to hear all of it, Like I want to hear
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what the cops have to say. It's I'm really curious.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Well, this would be good promotion too, because Ryan Murphy's
currently doing the next Monster's installment, which is gonna be
about Ed gain played by that fine specimen Charlie Hunum
from Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But I don't know any of these people. I mean,
obviously I know a game.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
But yeah, that it's it's disturbing to look at and
I feel like people like us that are like, I
like this term cheryl uses forensic storytellers. We often see
these highly disturbing pictures of people that do these things
with real human body parts. So when you see something
like this that is fake, I guess I can see
the prank element of it, but you can't probably go there.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, like the cops and the CSI people had the
biggest letdown ever because they were like, Oh my god,
this is going to be like the new serial killer
case right in our town. And then all of a
sudden they're like, oh, that's fake.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I believe Did this happen in Sam Bernardino, Yeah, okay,
so this is the same as Act police department. Speaking
of Lamb Funeral Home we were talking about in the ad,
they responded to the call from the former soldier who
liberated Auschwitz that he smelled burning flo the air, and
they go to this warehouse that's called oscar Ceramics that
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was registered as a business that made tiles for NASA,
and then they go in there and there's hundreds of
bodies and kilns in there. So what did they think
when they first walked in there. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I imagine imagine being a police officer there though, now like,
how are you ever going to top the experience of
the people in the past of your department? This could
have been it for them, It could.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Have been it. I'm sure somebody will be inspired to
do a more fucked up crime.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Somebody listening right now is like, you know what, I'm
gonna make.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
A real one exactly, which is even more disturbing. Please don't, please, please,
please please don't. We don't need a real life Silence
of the Lambs.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
If you do, put a cute little Mother Knows Death
t shirt on it or something.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
So please don't. I don't want to be associated with
the real psycho that's going to do something like that. Okay,
let's move on to questions of the day. Every Friday
at that Mother Knows Deastagram account, you guys can head
over to our story and ask whatever you want. First,
I'm an RN and it's fulfilling, but have interest in autopsy,
So is there a way to be involved with both?
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This person says they're aware of sayings but would rather
help at the emmy.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
So the answer I'm going to give you is I
would probably say no, and let me give you my reasoning.
So you can with your education, get a job at
the Medical Examiner's office and do autopsies or be a
crime scene investigator. But the problem is is that it's
going to be a drastic cut in pay compared to
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what a nurse makes. If you just so happen to
have like a rich daddy and you don't need to
worry daddy or is that daddy or what?
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Or azaddy?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
What's a zaddy?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
I think a zaddy is I'm probably gonna botch this term.
Is like a handsome, rich guy that takes care of you.
So it's not like you're dad taking care of you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's like, oh, like I sugar, that's what I That's
what I meant by daddy. I didn't mean like your
real dad, but okay. Or if you're like a rich
kid or something like that, and you don't need to
worry about paying bills and having any kind of a
you know, you don't worry about your cost of living
and everything like that.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Daddy's just a guy that takes care of a younger
girl and gives him money. And then a zaddy is
a handsome older man that takes care of a girl.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, well, if you're zaddy or daddy whatever, if not,
if you're like ninety nine point nine percent of the
rest of the population that actually needs to survive off
the money that you make at work. I mean, like, listen,
I'm all about doing what you love for a living,
but you have to make money too, and right now
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you make way more money than that they make. So
there are some there are some situations where a nurse
could work at a medical examiner, sometimes in bigger cities
like New York City, which would pay you more money,
but then the cost of living would be more too,
So I don't know if that's comparable to the increased
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cost of living there, And there's not obviously, like there's
only so many of those jobs. It's the same exact
way in the hospital. You're not going to be able
to do autopsies in the hospital unless you're a PA
like me. And if you do want to assist with
doctors and smaller hospitals, you would be considered like a
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morg assistant, which is just going to be addressed to
cut and pay for, compared to an RN. And I
understand what the sane nurse, which is a sexual assault
nurse investigator. I understand why you don't want to do
that because that's kind of not anywhere near what we
do in autopsy, that is investigating sexual assaults, and then
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you're having contact with patients that are alive as an
in horrible situations, and I could see that that it's
a very special job. It's definitely not for everyone. I
definitely would never do it. So the only other option
that you have is just if you're an RN. I
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don't even know. I'm assuming at this point that you
have a bachelor's degree or you're working on it, because
I'm not even sure how much longer you could work
as an RN with the associate's degree. But my only
thing I could tell you is that you can go
back to school and at least you have a lot
of the classes that you already need, and you could
go to school and get a bachelor's degree and you
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could either be like a crime scene investigator. You could
go for PA and do all topsyason get a master's degree.
The problem is you're going to run into this problem
is that as an RN you make pretty good money
compared to all of the jobs that you can get
in forensics on any other level besides being a physician.
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Oh that's the only advice I could give you is
to go back to school.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Okay, Nicole. With your recent cancer diagnosis, has there been
a change in your daily health routine?
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Really? I am more like yesterday I went outside for
a couple hours and I was doing some gardening, and
I made sure to put like really thick suntan Lucien
and silicon suntan stuff on my scar, as well as
wear a hat, which in the past, I don't think
I would have been that nuts about it just being
outside for an hour. So yeah, for sure, I am.
(45:40):
I am more worried about it now and worried about
getting sunburn and stuff. But I mean not really, I'm
just right now. I'm like, yeah, like I guess every night,
like I'm putting on this scar tape still, and I'm
going I'm actually going at the end of this week
to get my scar lazered or to get him to
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look at it to see if he wants to laser it.
So I'm just trying to work on this scar but
nothing else.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I mean, really, I think your scar looks pretty good
though I know that you want it lasered, but and
you can't really tell when you have makeup on but
I think even when you don't have makeup on it,
it looks like it's healing pretty good. Yeah, it's all right.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
It's it's pretty red though, so and it's just in
an area where I always had a lot of inflammation.
So I would like it to be lighter because it
is definitely obvious, especially if I'm not wearing makeup. But
I mean, it's it's getting there, and it's good. It's
only been what May, I got it done, so it's
only been a couple of months. But yeah, I'm not
really not. I don't really do anything anything crazy for
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it or any right, I mean I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
No, all right, last, do you guys have a day job?
This is our day job?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Well this this is this is not our date. Well
I wouldn't say this is our day job. Like the
gross room is our major job.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
That grossroom is both of our full time jobs. Believe
it or not. It takes I know people want everything
for free, but it does take full days of work
to run that, and then on top of that to
do this and do the social media.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, it's it's just yeah, you know what's funny. I
used to think before I started doing this, a long
time ago, I would listen to people on the radio,
right and they would only have to be on the
radio like three hours a day, and I used to say, like, wow,
that must be a really awesome job, Like you just
have to show up at twelve and you're done by three,
(47:42):
and that's awesome. And you just don't you don't really
think about all of the work that goes into an episode.
Even though it just seems like you're talking about a
lot of things very easily, there still needs to be
some kind of a plan and you need to look
into things, and just gathering all the stories takes time
and everything like that. And I mean it's the same
(48:05):
exact thing for the grosser Room too, because obviously I
want the gross Room to be as medically accurate as possible.
And I'm just I'll be the first to tell you
that I don't know everything. Some things that I write
about I've never heard about, or I might have learned
about in school fifteen years ago and I just don't remember.
So it's just a lot of research on the back end,
(48:27):
and especially our bigger articles that we write every week
in the grosser Room, they could take days for us
to write, so and then we have other stuff going
on too, like crime Con that, like I'm going to
be working on that lecture for weeks and things like that.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
So just all of our different projects.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Plus I have two little kids too, so yeah, and
I have a husband and a family and a house
to run and everything like that. So we have trust me,
we're busy all the time.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
I guess if you didn't see it on Instagram, we
are going to crime Yeah, so we are.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Suppose we're going to come con surprise. I need to
start working on that lecture because that's gonna take me
a couple of weeks to write. Honestly, I think.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Like exactly what you're saying. You just have this mentality
of like, oh you what you guys see is only
you know, one hour episode or three small episodes every week,
like maybe three hours of content a week, right, But
there's a lot of behind the scenes things that go on,
you know. It's like the gathering stories, the writing notes,
the editing, the making social clips, the meetings we have
(49:35):
to have with our network, like the other meetings we
have to have to do things like crime Con and
our meet and greet and stuff in Atlanta over the weekend. Which,
by the way, to everybody that came out to that,
thank you so much. It was awesome. Cheryl is like
the most amazing person ever we had.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
We just said as time. We had such a good
time and we met such great people. It was it
was really nice. But just even thinking about that, like
us leaving, both of us leaving for a week, it
was like, not only were we working while we were there,
but we had to do all of the work for
not only the podcast but for the gross room the
week before, so we had to do double you know,
(50:10):
like and then we the same thing when we went
on the cruise. It was like, we don't even though
we technically can get off for vacation, it's not really
because you have to do double work before you leave,
but we always we don't want you guys to have
a like a lapse in content if it's possible, so
we try not to ever really like take off as
far as what you guys.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
See, Yeah, cause you know you left a couple of
days before me and everybody kept joking like what are
you gonna do with your days off? Of Like I
am not off, Like last Monday, I was working twelve
hours Tuesday twelve hours Wednesday twelve hours. It's like there
is beauty in our job having flexibility. You work for
yourself and everything, but like this is a business and
(50:51):
business things are happening behind the scenes too. It's not like,
you know, you're just talent and you roll on in
and yeap for like an hour and then you go home.
You know, it's it is a lot of work, but
it's worth it because it's our dream job and business
and you guys seem to like it.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, we we love it. So it's just it's just
a different it's just a different kind of job. Like
believe me, I have meltdown sometimes and say, like I
just wish I worked at the hospital, because you know what,
when I was off Friday and I had off two weeks,
Like it just was like I left on Friday, and
then I was off two weeks and I was off.
(51:28):
Now like I'm we're kind of just never off, you know,
because we could be on the it's like on the cruise,
like we have to bring our laptops and stuff because
we're like what if the website crashes and and we
have to answer question you know, Like even to that
point a couple of years ago, I want to say
this was three or four years ago.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
At this point. It was Christmas Eve. We were setting
up for the.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Kid God yeah, and this terrible.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Eleven o'clock at night, the website crashed and guess who
has to be on the phone with the server? Me,
so like or yeah, you know, it's no, it sucked
because it was it was.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Me and Maria. We were wrapping like all of the
presents for the kids and stuff, and that's a tradition
we do every year, getting the tree ready and everything.
And then it was like Maria's that like that special
time we'll usually share with each other. We're like on
the phone with these people and like trying to figure
out like what the hell's going on, and you know,
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you get all the members start saying what's going on?
Speaker 1 (52:26):
What's going you know, and it's like I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, And we feel terrible because we don't you know,
we don't want you guys to think like something's up.
So we've we've gotten better at being able to communicate
with people though through email and stuff like that. But yeah,
so we we're busy.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
It is just funny though, when somebody's like, so that's
what you do full time and you're like, yeah, it
is my full time job.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I actually yeah, like I actually work way more now
than I did when I just went to work.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Ever, because yeah, to your point, like when my husband
comes home from work, for example, he's all like he
doesn't have to worry about it. He's home, there's nothing
to do, Like, you know, I'm just like constantly racking
my brain of like what's happening. I gotta check my
emails all the time. Whatever. But you trade it off
because you have the flexibility you want. You own your
own business, you're building your own brand, and that's what
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makes it all worth it.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, it's it for the most part.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
It's good. It's good for them. There's days worth Yeah,
there's definitely.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Days that you have a meltdown and you're just like,
my life was so much easier back then. But it's good.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yeah, but whatever. We appreciate you guys very much though,
and that's why you know, we love doing events like
we did in Atlanta. That's why we look forward to
events like crime Con. We get to meet so many
of you and get to share what we're trying to
do with you, and that's what makes it all worth it.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
No, you know what the best moment was ever at
our meet and greet. So we had one of our
listeners come all the way from Illinois. Hi, if you're listening.
She came all the way. She's a nurse from Illinois,
and she came all the way to see to meet
us at the meet and greet, and we were just
hanging out in a tavern situation and Gabe came at
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the end with the kids and sure enough, like we
look over at Gabe and he's freaking eating hot dogs, right,
And she looks over at him and she's like, yeah,
I know from one of your last episodes that your
husband likes hot dogs. And I look over at him
and I'm like, yeah, I kind of called you a
hot dog horror on one of the episodes. And he
looked at me with like these eyes, like what are
you talking about? But yeah, it's just like it just
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was really cool because I'm like, oh, like she like
she was listening to us say that and then like
noticed that he was eating them like that. It's just funny.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
Wasn't an exaggeration. He really is a hot dog hors.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, it wasn't so all right, cool guys, Well, thanks
for coming to our events. We hope we got some
new listeners out of it too, because we got to
meet such awesome people and also we met such cool
people that we'll be able to have on the show. Friends,
artists and just psychiatrists, all different reporters. Just it's like
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really cool people that we think you guys will really love.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, and of course thank you to the Hateville Police
Department for hosting your police training and to the Georgia
Bandage Museum for hosting one of our lectures.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
It was fast, please, I was. When we were there,
I was like so bummed out that we don't live
near these people. I know, I was right, I know,
I know. I was like, I love these guys. I
want to see them more. So it was kind of
and I'm just like, you guys are like fourteen hours
away from me. It was such a bumber though. They
were so nice.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
Well, the good thing is is we're always taking road trips,
so of course you could always try to make that
a stop and yep in there and visit. If you
guys live, we'll be back.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, And they live near Stranger Things Land, which is
always the destination for us.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
Right now, all right, guys, Well, thank you very much.
It's definitely good to be back. If you're interested in
crime con you could head over to the description of
this episode ay of links for tickets or if you
just want more and for me about it if you
have reviewed.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
That is gonna be so good this year.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
Oh yeah, Marcia Clark is going, which I'm already dying.
Beth Karris, who's my new Nancy's going, So I'm very excited.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
She did a lot with you know, I remember you
said that she did a lot with the Jodie Trial.
I know who she is.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah, I think it's going to be absolutely incredible. They
haven't even finished announcing everybody that's going, so like, we're
kind of in the darkness as much as you, guys,
but I'm fangirling just as much every time they make
new announcements of like, oh my god, I can't wait together.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, exactly. It's it's it's awesome. It's like the coolest
thing ever that you could just go in one spot
and really see, especially if you're a true crime person,
like you could see twenty people that you know in
this world. It's just so cool.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
So yeah, it's a really unique experience and It's awesome
that they're able to put something like that together. And
it's gonna be in Denver, which is such a beautiful
city too.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
I've never been.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
You're gonna like it, all right, guys. Well, if you
have reviews for us, please head over to Apple or Spotify.
Please subscribe to our YouTube channel, and if you have
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Mothernosdeath dot com.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Say you, guys, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,
and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform
people based on my experience working in pathology, so they
can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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