Hundreds of Tarantulas Strapped to Man's Body, Conor McGregor Trial, JonBenét's Father Slams Pageant Critics, Kayaking Amputation, and More!

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Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jenny and Maria qk.

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Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone walk on The Mother Knows Death. Let's get started
with the story of the day. This sart is so
unbelievable to me. So in Peru, this twenty eight year
old guy gets to the airport and they pulled them
aside at security because they're like, eh, your stomach looks
a little bit too bulky, right, So then they take
them back to do a search, and when they lifted

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up his shirt, they found that he had over three
hundred tarantula's strap to his body. When you go to
the airport, I thought that you walked through some machine
that gave you this low grade X ray when you
were walking through just to check on every single person.
You know that little machine that you have to like
stand with your arm open. It It looks like one

(01:03):
of those entry ways that you know when you go
in a doorway and it's like a glass revolving door. Yeah,
when you have to like hold your arms. Yeah. It
isn't like doesn't everyone have to go through that at
every airport or is that not a thing? Well, I
don't know at international airports if that exists there. And
also I think they might have flagged him before he
even got in the security line. So yeah, I mean,

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just did he think he was getting away with this? No?
So not only that he had three hundred and twenty
tarantulis drapped to his body, one hundred and ten centipedes,
and nine bullet ants. So my first question is like,
how are these strapped? Because visually, in my mind when
I'm first reading this story, I see all these bugs
individually taped onto this abdomen, which I know is ridiculous,

(01:48):
but visually that's ridiculous. Visually that's just where my mind went.
So of course we looked into it and it's like
he has these things and essentially like ziploc bagged, he
also had them in these you know, like tubular plastic
things that probably under his shirt looked like pipe bombs.

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So of course they're gonna start freaking out and they're
thinking that he went into the Amazon and illegally took
these to participate in some wildlife trafficking and sell them online. Yeah,
of course he would make a shit ton of money.
They go for a lot of money. Also, I don't
think I realized how large tarantulas are. I'm just thinking
they're these like, you know, bigger spiders that you would

(02:31):
see in your house. This thing is like bigger than
a hamster. I want one so bad, but gabes just
like I'm drawing the line there. And I think Natalie
actually said that she wouldn't come to our house anymore,
babysit the kids. If I had a spider like that
in the house, I'm not coming, which is just any
which is just ridiculous. But the all right, So the
good news is from a medical perspective, Tarantulas, although they're

(02:56):
considered venomous, they don't really. There's rare case is where
they actually kill a human. Same with these giant centipedes
and these ants. The thing is is that this, to
me is just more of a mental thing more than
you know. It's just like getting a bee sting or whatever.
It's not that big of a deal if you get
bit by one, unless, of course you're allergic to them,

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but you're the allergies to these types of things aren't
as high as a bee sting would be. But it's
not really gonna hurt the dude if he actually gets
bit by one of these things. It's more just I mean,
the thought of it is just is just the most
terrible thing ever to just have these things crawling on you. Well,

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I feel the worst for the airport employees that had
to deal with this. And then if you find this,
do you call the cops? Do you have to call
you know, like a fish and wildlife type of police service.
I don't know. There's this really cool episode. This is
kind of a side note, but not at the same time,
there was this show that was on back in the
day with Doctor Bodden called Autopsy. It was back in

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the nineties. It was like one of the first original
shows that showed our job and it's a really really
good show and a good portrayal. And there's an episode
of them talking about the Wildlife and Fish Organization I
don't know exactly what it's called, but talking about how
people are illegally poaching animals and stuff. And there's this

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whole forensic unit of it, which is really cool. That's
in America, but it's all over the place because they
don't want you to be taking animals or otherwise plants
or anything from other countries and across because that could
just lead to really big problems. Didn't you talk to
doctor Bird about this a little bit. Yeah, I did,

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actually because he was he's a forensic entomologist. Then who's
who's a forensic expert that studies bugs and their effect
on dead bodies and things like that. But also just
in general, this is a whole other branch of it
as well, So you could bring disease and just ruin

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agriculture and everything by transporting things like that. I was
even telling you when we take our trip to the
Southwest later this year about how I just want to
take a bunch of cact die that I find and
take them home, you know what I mean. But like,
you just can't do that on an airplane. So I
don't know what this guy was thinking, thinking he was

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going to get away with this, But what a moron. Yeah,
I don't even know how you think you could do
something like this and not get caught. So good, good try.
I guess was it worth it at the end of
the day. Okay, celebrity news, All right, let's talk about
this contra McGregor trial. So if you are listening to
this show, before we launched it as Mother Knows Death,

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we had covered this story about Connor McGregor allegedly raping
this woman at the twenty twenty three NBA Final. So
there had been video showing him shoving this woman in
a bathroom and then his security blocking the door. Her
friend was saying that she couldn't get in the bathroom
to see what was going on, and it turned into
this whole thing. So when I first saw that he

(06:07):
was on this civil trial for sexual assault, I assumed
it was connected to that case, but it's not. It's
a totally different one from twenty eighteen. Yeah, so I
think it's pretty well known what this guy's intentions are, right,
He's been accused of this multiple times, and yeah, some
of the stories seem really legit and there's proof of it.

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And first, I want to say this as a preface
to this whole entire story, that my husband did a
photo shoot for his alcohol company, and so there's pictures
of my husband with this guy all over trucks across America.
But I just want to say that we don't know him,
we are not friends with him, we do not support him.

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And my husband was literally a paid first responder model
for the advertisement, clearly not paid enough because we did
not know that his face was going to be on
proper twelve trucks all over America. Side note, But yeah,
just to let you guys know, we don't have anything
to do with that guy. That was the first and

(07:13):
only time that Gabe has ever seen him, So not
a fan. From all of these stories I'm hearing, it
just seems like he's just a typical famous person getting
away with this shit and maybe for once he finally
got what he deserves. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that was
totally a situation. Like I worked on that photo shoot

(07:34):
with Gabe and everything, and it was like a family
friend set us up with it. Gabe was strictly a model.
We don't know the guy. We had a good experience
with him, but that doesn't mean you know how people
act behind closed doors. So like I don't know, but
we just want to set the tone for this because
we want to talk about, you know, the facts of
this case coming up. But like that is a thing

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and a lot of people send us that picture of
him on the side of the truck and we don't no, no, okay,
So this case is about this, you know, situation that
happened back in twenty eighteen. So this woman claimed that
Carden McGregor and another MMA fighter James Lawrence had raped
her in the penthouse of a hotel after they offered
her a ride home from a Christmas party. So she

(08:17):
had at first tried to get them criminally prosecuted for this,
but I guess officials over there decided they weren't going
to do it, and so she brought forth this civil trial.
So I wonder what the reasoning was for them not
going through with criminal charges, by the way, but I
mean it could have been as like, we're going to
talk about the key piece of evidence coming up in

(08:39):
this trial, but maybe they didn't think they had enough.
I also think they knew this was going to be
a crazy media spectacle because of how famous he is.
I also think really famous people get a pass in
the eyes of the law sometimes, So I feel like
in the last couple of years that's been kind of
being undone a lot with people being convicted. But we'll

(08:59):
really see if that rings true with Diddy and all
this other stuff coming up over the next couple of years.
So basically, they're saying they did have sex with this woman,
but that it was consensual, and she's saying there's no
way it was consensual because the key piece of evidence
in this case is that she had a tampon lodged
really far up in her vagina after the alleged assault happened. Well,

(09:24):
her testimony was that she didn't want to have sex
because she had her period and she had a tampon
in And some of the proof in this case is
that she went to get a sexual assault examination the
following morning, and when doctors examined her and saw that
not only she had an insane amount of bruising all

(09:45):
over her body looking like that she was physically assaulted,
she had a tampon that was shoved so far up
her vagina that they had to actually use a speculum
and go inside and use fourceps to pull it out.
So I think a lot of the back and forth
in this particular case is simple question, can you have

(10:07):
sex with a tampon? D Yeah? And you know the
both the fighters are which First of all, I want
to point out that she says she has no recollection
of having sex with the second guy, and I guess
after the reports came out that she was accusing Connor
McGregor of this, that he went to police and said
I also had consensual sex with her that night so

(10:30):
then she sued him too because she and I think
she said, like, if you didn't even come out and
say this, I wouldn't even have known you were there, basically,
and you wouldn't be wrapped up in all of this.
And at the end of the day, he was found,
you know, to not have sexually assaulted her. But basically
for both men, they're saying that they didn't remember seeing
a tampon, they didn't remember seeing any blood. I just

(10:54):
think it's interesting, you know, but when you're just shoving
your penis in somebody, I don't think you're really something
else is in there. Well, I don't know if that's
true necessarily, because I think that guys, especially him, who
seems like he's had a penis in someone a lot often, right,
that he should be able to feel if there's something

(11:15):
inside that feels different. I don't know, because I'm not
a dude, and I don't know what that feels like.
But also, wasn't he drunk and hil cocaine at the
same time, Like it just might have been a different experience.
But I'm not here to determine what happened because I
don't I wasn't there for the trial. I wasn't there
for the alleged rape. All I want to do is

(11:36):
say that a lot of people are saying, oh, they
possibly couldn't have had sex because she had a tampon it,
and that's just simply not true. They absolutely could have
had sex. And it happens to more women than you think,
that women go into the emergency room with a tampon
that's been stuck up there for an extended period of time.

(11:59):
I specifically had gotten one in surgical pathology years ago
that was up inside of a woman, for an older
woman for a very very very long time. So the
anatomy of the vagina, for those of you who don't
one hundred percent understand it, is that it is a
very long tube. Obviously that could fill fit a penis,

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but it also could fit a baby, right, So, like,
think about how much this thing could stretch very easily.
But at the top of the vagina is the cervix,
which leads to the uterus, and that's where blood comes
out of this tiny hole called the cervical as a
little hole, there's these pockets that go on each side

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of the vagina called the vaginal fornix, and it kind
of circles around the entire cervix, but there are pockets
like you could store stuff up there technically, So a
tampon that's been in that's filled with blood can get
shoved up inside of one of those pockets and you
wouldn't even really be able to feel it when you

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were having sex because the penis doesn't always typically go
up one of those pockets so deep. But just to
give you a little example of what those pockets are,
if you've ever heard of the g spot, like that's
you have to get like up in there and kind
of up inside of one of those pockets to reach
up there. So that's that's what you're talking about. So

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a tampon could easily get shelved up there, especially if
it was a smaller one. So I don't think it's
out of the norm to even think that that's possible. Yeah,
And what I was referencing earlier about him possibly not
feeling it is because other couples have come out. We've
had other keys on here and in the gross room
where people say they have had sex with you know,
a consensual sex with their partner and they didn't even

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realize it was in there until you know, they started
having like an infection or something later related to it.
Usually it's a foul odor that they don't know what
the cause of it is because it's stuck up there,
and a lot of like people go back and forth
to say. There's some people that are just like, there's
absolutely no way anything else could fit up there, but

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come on, like, you know that that's not true. Yeah,
So at the end of the day, they did this
you know, civil trial. They did find Connor McGregor guilty
of the sexual assault, to which he is very infuriated by.
I think his team was really trying to paint her
at this as this gold digger, but you know, she

(14:30):
was like, I tried to get him criminally prosecuted and
they didn't want to go forward with it, and I'm
not just going to let this guy walk around and
keep acting like this, so I wanted to take action
and speak up, which I think is brave of her
to go against such a wealthy, famous person, and it
was a victory for her to win. You know, his fiance,
who is the mother of his four children, and his

(14:51):
mother and sister were by his side during this entire thing. Afterwards,
you know, other women are coming forward saying that he
rape them. We know of that NBA final situation that
happened last summer. I'm curious what's gonna happen over the
next couple of years if they're going to continue filing.
I mean, that's just a whole other story for another
day of just like and he he actually he didn't

(15:16):
admit to raping or obviously, but he admitted to having
sex with her. So like, I don't even understand how
you're standing there with your guy on chial for raping
someone when he's saying he had consensual sex with her,
and so like that, let's not even start talking about
supporting this. But I mean, it's just gross how people

(15:37):
like let things slide because they're with someone that has
money or whatever. And I understand is like the father
of your children and everything, but like, this is not
this is not a rarity that this guy has been
accused of this, you know what I mean. It's not
like someone that you're like this because people do accuse
people of rape when it hasn't happened, right, it's definitely

(16:00):
it's not like every single person that says it. But
like this guy, you're like, come on, like this is
kind of believable in my opinion. I think that there's this,
you know, kind of rumor out there that these Hollywood
people have, you know, these arrangements with their partners being like,
you know, you travel a lot, we're not going to
be together all the time. Do whatever you find you

(16:22):
need to do, but don't embarrass me kind of deal.
So I don't I don't know if they have some
agreement to have well, that's certainly not happening here, because
I feel like she's getting embarrassed plenty. Yeah. Well, I
think they're high school sweethearts, they've been together for an
incredibly long time, they have four children, and I don't
know if they have some agreed upon open relationship. But

(16:43):
I saw he's trying to, you know, go all over
the media as of this morning saying he feels guilty
for cheating on her. So I'm gonna stay to see
the first time, right, Well, it's certainly not the first time.
And I also think, you know, he's embarrassing her. I
think even if you were okay with him having sex,
are willing to turn you know, to blind, I to

(17:04):
like not caring about it happening or something. Now that
rape's involved, and he is convicted of it, not just
a speculation or an allegation anymore. You have to really
reevaluate what that means in who you're associated with. So
this is this is where things need to change though,
because he's not going to jail for this. This is

(17:25):
all just a civil trial and he has to pay
money and whatever it was two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars or right, it's nothing for him, right, No, I
mean he made eighty million dollars off of one fight,
like this is the kind of money exactly, So this
is this is nothing to him. Yeah, I mean, we
just I just hope this whole thing. I hope he's

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not able to use his resources to get it overturned
or anything. I hope this woman continues to get the
justice she deserves. And it doesn't even really matter though,
because it's like if it gets over returned, like it's
not there's nothing. Really. Listen, if you told me to
pay so that I had to pay somebody five dollars,

(18:08):
because that's what it's equivalent to him, you'd be like, Okay,
take the money and move on with life, you know
what I mean. Like even if they say okay, it's
it's not guilty now, Like it doesn't matter. The reputation's tarnished,
you know what I mean, So he doesn't he's not
gonna have to serve any time. It doesn't matter his
his wife knows about everything, every little detail about what

(18:30):
happened in the room. Like when I'm reading all of
these details, I'm just like, if I was reading this
about how my husband was acting, I would be like, Oh,
hell no, this is this is so embarrassing. It is
so upsetting to think, like, that's what your dude's doing
behind your back, you know what I mean. I just
feel like he's really thrived off of having this reputation

(18:52):
of being an insane person, and now that there's actual harm,
it's not like you know WWE style, you know showmanship anymore.
It's like you're attacking people, and your assaulting people, and
now you're a convicted rapist, so it's time to dial
it back. Okay. Freak accident. So on Friday, this guy

(19:14):
in his sixties was on a trip in Tasmania and
he was kayaking with a group of people on the
Franklin River and suddenly his leg got stuck between some
rocks and it took them over twenty hours to rescue him.
I was thinking of hell, I never really thought about
this when people go on these vacations and destination trips
to do extreme sports and stuff. This is a situation

(19:38):
where you put the rescuers in danger too, because you know,
when Gabe was just at Asheville to do the hurricane
rescue and everything, for these guys to go in rapid
waters like that is just extremely dangerous, and to think
you would have to stabilize yourself somehow in that water

(20:00):
to get someone that's trapped in a rock with rapidly
moving water that might be cold, and then someone has
to surgically try to amputate this guy's leg in a
boat like that. It's just it's kind of cool that
they were even able to save his life, honestly. Yeah,
so basically the way he was the group said that

(20:22):
they were taking a break, so they pulled off to
the side, and the man had slipped, and the guy
his leg caught in between these rocks and his condition
started deteriorating. When the authorities were called, I think they
were only able to call for help because he was
wearing a smart watch. Also, so that's interesting because if
he wasn't wearing that, were they not going to be
able to get a hold of anybody to help him.

(20:44):
And basically when they got there, he was stuck and
he was deteriorating, so they had to make the decision
to amputate his leg because otherwise he was going to die. Yeah,
and then they did metavacuum to a hospital and he's
in critical condition. I'm just really curious how that whole
scene went down, of someone amputating his leg like that,

(21:06):
just in that kind of a situation. We We've talked
about this before, and I have a case in my
book of a woman who was in a car accident
that had to have her arm amputated at the scene.
But that's a little bit more stable for the surgeon
that's doing it. They're outside and they're in a situation
where they're safe and they could keep their arms still

(21:27):
because they're not in a boat that's getting blasted by
water and stuff. I just the whole thing is so
outrageous to me. Well, I imagine that's why it took
twenty hours, because it's how complicated. Yeah, they get the
rescuers get mad props, all right, they really did true
crime all right. Last summer, this guy took his girlfriend,
his one niece, and three nephews on a trip from

(21:48):
New York to Florida. So as they approached the border
of Florida on ninety five, he slowed his car down
on the highway to about one to two miles an hour.
It was the middle of the night. He saw the
Florida Welcomes You sign and he was trying to take
a picture of it. Well, the problem is the car
behind them didn't realize they were slowing down, which was
going approximately seventy miles per hour, and cloud into the

(22:09):
back of the car, killing all the children in the
back seat. This is so fucked up, this whole story,
because this is so relatable because we take road trips
all the time and you always see the sign, and
but you're on the highway and you're like, oh, guys,
look it says welcome to Florida, and that's it. Like,
you would never why would you ever slow down to
almost a complete stop in the middle of a frickin' highway? Yeah,

(22:31):
I mean. What's also not relatable, however, is having four
children in a three seat back seat and three of
them not wearing seat belts. Yeah, why are children not
wearing seat belts? Well, these kids were, so it looks
like they were. There was a twelve year old, two
fourteen year olds, and how old was the fourth one?

(22:52):
There was two fourteen year olds. I think there were twins.
Oh okay, so but that's only three the ages that
I'm saying, hold on ten, twelve and two ten? Okay, Yeah,
so they're all they're all older kids. They shouldn't be
in car seats, but they definitely have to be in
seat belts. I won't even let if I ever have
to do a situation where I'm taking multiple kids somewhere,

(23:15):
you know this, Like one time we had a party
after school and I had to bring home like X
amount of kids, and I sent Maria to the school.
I went to the school, and Gabe went to the
school so we could pick up all the kids. So
they each had a seat belt, because I just would
never put a child in a car without a seat
belt at this point, just knowing everything that you know.

(23:35):
So obviously cars almost stopped and gets hit by someone
going seventy miles an hour, so I'm sure they ejected,
went through the windshield. Three died at the scene when
went to the hospital. One ended up dying at the hospital,
And I really feel the most terrible for the person
who hit them, because that very well could have happened

(23:56):
to us. We're always driving at four o'clock in the
morning on trips and stuff like that. You don't think
somebody's going to be at a complete freaking stop in
the middle of the highway. No, I mean, it's it's
absolutely what are you doing? Then apparently his license was suspended,
so it's like, why are you driving with a suspended license?
So far, everybody does that. I did it once. Actually,

(24:17):
oh my god, don't admit that I did, because my
license got suspended for some stupid thing of me not
stending in my license plates or something from an old car.
It was like something completely ridiculous. But whatever, my god,
it's it's not that big of a deal. Please, that's
that's not the big deal here. Okay, I think there's
other issues that he had his license suspended. Okay, well,

(24:40):
his license was suspended. He was a complete idiot and
stopped in the middle of the highway. I mean, they're
saying them. They said, the minimum of ninety five down
there is forty miles an hour. I didn't even know
there was a minimum speed limit, right, Like, I guess
people do you drive really, sir is? And I think
that it's for certain circumstances, probably more so that when

(25:01):
a big storm comes in and it's like pouring rain
and all this stuff, like people slow down. I don't
know they have to do a minimum because it's kind
of telling you, like you should be aware that there
might be go cars going slower than you should just
like proceed with care. You definitely don't think that there's
going to be cars that are literally parked out front.

(25:24):
It's just the whole entire thing is just so dumb,
Like if you really wanted to take a picture, just
pull aside to the shoulder and get out and all
take a picture in front of the sign. Yeah, I
mean it's just completely idiotic. But basically, he's facing four
counts of aggravated manslaughter of a child and driving with
a license suspended or revote causing great bodily injury. Don't

(25:46):
pull over like that to take a picture. It is
not worth it. The whole thing that's just really upsetting
about this to me is that, like this guy is
he's a fucking idiot, right, But he was like it
looked like he was taking his family on vacation. He
wasn't like a child from what we know, he wasn't
a child abuse or he just was just like trying

(26:08):
to take all these people in a car that they
didn't all fit in. But he was trying to do
something nice, it seems. So that's what just is so
infuriating about this, because the guys, the guy's just dumb.
He's not like, I don't think he intentionally tried to
hurt these children, you know what I mean. He's just dumb.

(26:32):
And when I was a kid back in the day,
if you had four children in the back of a
seat without seatbelts like that wouldn't even have been a
thing that was like called normal nineteen eighty shit, right.
So it's just like, well, there's a reason the law.
I understand that. But I'm just saying, like the guy,
it's I'm sure he feels terrible. Who were the kids
and were they like it said his niece is a nephew. Yeah,

(26:55):
I mean, like, I'm sure he feels terrible about it.
It's just like just everybody's going to a terrible for
the rest of their life because you were dumb, you know. Yeah,
all right. So over the last couple of weeks, reports
have been coming out that many tourists in Laos are
getting sick and have even died. Yeah, so they think
that they're actually having alcohol poisoning. So back in two

(27:17):
thousand and two, I did a high profile death dissection
on alcohol poisoning because there was this case where in
June of twenty twenty two in London, South Africa, twenty
one teenagers ranging from thirteen to seventeen died at a
bar and all twenty one of the teenagers at autopsy
ended up having methanol in their system. So some places,

(27:40):
like disreputable bars in other countries, when you go on
vacation and stuff, they try to water down their product
by by serving alcohol that's cheaper to people in order
to make more money. So sometimes they use an alcohol
called methanol. So normal alcohol is called ethanol that you
would drink at voga or wherever like that. Methanol is

(28:03):
not considered to be acceptable in the human body at
any level, so no amount of it's safe and it's toxic.
Methanol's cheap as hell. You can get like five gallons
of it from home depot for forty or fifty dollars, right,
whereas the same amount of ethanol would be almost two
hundred dollars. So they take some of it thinking that

(28:24):
they're just gonna water down. So you have a bottle
of vodka and you know it's half full, Oh, I'll
just put some methanol in it and fill it up
and they won't know the difference kind of thing. And
it's just you could have like such a small, small,
small amount. It says for extremely toxic to humans, only
eight ounces can kill an adult. So think about a

(28:47):
soda can is twelve ounces, right, a smaller than amount
of soda can could kill an adult. So they're thinking
that that's what happened to these poor These poor people
that ended up dying from this, I think was American
tourist and the other ones did you get where they
were from? You were from Denmark, one American and one

(29:10):
that recently died was from Australia and her friend is
still in the hospital in critical condition. So also, yeah,
so you just you just have to be careful if
you go on vacation because this it happens sometimes. I
mean obviously, like if you're in another country and you're
in a reputable area, you don't have to worry about this.

(29:30):
But this is definitely something that is reported from time
to time when people go on vacation. Yeah all right,
So yesterday this new documentary came out about John Biney Ramsey.
I mean, I can't imagine if you listen to this
show you've never heard of this case. It's like one
of the most famous true crime cases of all time.
But just in case you're unfamiliar, John Binney was six

(29:52):
years old when she was found dead in her parents' basement.
It was the day after Christmas, right, yeah, all right,
so day after Christmas. This ca is still unsolved. They
don't really know who did it. There's been much speculation
over the years, whether the parents were involved, whether the
little brother might have done it. You know, John Benay
was also huge in the beauty pageant scene, and this

(30:15):
was like way before toddlers and tierras and everybody kind
of knew about these childhood beauty pageants. So there's been
a lot of criticism of the parents for putting her
in these pageants, which you know, I think in general
people have a problem with these pageants because they over
sexualized children and they make them look like adults when
they're just you know, six years old, and it could

(30:36):
be a problem with pedophiles in particular, and they faced
a lot of criticism over that. And now the dad
is saying in this new show that he's basically slamming
the criticism of the beauty pageants, saying that John Beney
loved doing them and it was this great opportunity for
her and his wife to spend time together. So who's

(30:56):
they're slamming the mom for forgetting her involved in it. Yeah,
so there's just you know, I think both parents get
hit with criticisms about putting her into the pageant. I
think there was this speculation for a while that she
had been in these pageants and maybe a predator had
seen her there, and then the family had done this

(31:16):
in their home Christmas tour where people were able to
come and tour their big, lavish home, and then they
think somebody went in there and was already eyeing her
up and then got the layout of the house and
was able to easily go in the house and find
her and kill her. Right, So that has been like
this long running speculation. But that's also unproven. The case
is still cold, but yeah, lots of critiques about putting

(31:40):
her in the pageants at all. Well, I mean, in theory,
this is before the internet and stuff, so that very
well could be a thing if she was a well known,
like a more famous child in the neighborhood than the
average kid that wasn't on the radar for somebody like that.
I used to have opinions about out this case just

(32:01):
based upon because like, all you have to go off
of is what you hear in the media and stuff.
But then someone that I used to work with actually
was related to them, like a very close relationship, and
when I heard some from their perspective, it kind of
changed my mind a little bit, just because we know
how the media is and how they focus on certain

(32:23):
things and they ignore certain things because they just want
people to click on their stories or whatever. So a
lot of it is I mean, I still don't know
what happened, but I'm a little bit more open minded
to hearing other things, because especially when this happened, it
was just kind of like they focused right away on
the parents, and then there was a period where they

(32:43):
focused on the brother because he had that weird interview
with doctor Phil. But then at the same time you
have to like watch that interview and think, Okay, this
little kid was a child when his sister was murdered,
and imagine just like the weird life he had after that. Right,
So I don't really, I don't really know what to

(33:05):
think in this situation. I think all of us can agree,
like most people that grow up in a lower to
middle class situation just don't even understand any of this
way of life living as a multi millionaire, having these
lavish parties or tours or whatever, and just having a
child doing these pageants all the time, and the ransom

(33:29):
note and the money and the bonus that the dag
got was like I mean, wasn't the bonus like over
one hundred thousand? It was some insane amount of money
even back then, was just way more than any person,
like average person even makes a year, you know what
I mean, Like it just everything is just like on
this other level of being hard to understand, like how

(33:50):
these people live basically is what I'm trying to say. So, yeah,
I mean this case has been you know, so sensationalized,
I'm sure in part because it hasn't been solved. Yet
formally it's at a point where will we ever really know.
I mean, I haven't watched this new docu series yet
because it just came out last night. I'm planning to

(34:11):
watch it over the weekend, so maybe it'll, you know,
give me a new perspective on it. They were basically
saying before they released it. They said, it investigates the
mishandling of the case by law enforcement and the media,
ultimately revealing the relatively simple steps that could be taken
to finally solve it. I don't know if they have
new information that we don't. I'm sure I thought that

(34:32):
there was some kind of DNA evidence that that isn't
being tenched. There's something that has to do with DNA
that they feel they could just easily like lay this
to rest or whatever. And I know that the dad
has been going to crime con and he's very involved
with the whole true crime field right now trying to
get answers because obviously, if he's been vindicated and he's

(34:56):
getting older, the wife is already dead, Like they just
this was how long long ago? Didn't they say that
she was she? I feel like she would probably be
a little bit older than you right, because I think
you were a baby when that happened. Do you I
remember what this happened in ninety six? Yeah, so you
were so I was two, Yeah, you were little. So
she's she was five or six, right, so she was

(35:16):
just a little bit older than you. Yeah, but I
mean you're going to be thirty next week. So this
is how long this case has been going on. And
just imagine really being a parent and just not really
having an answer before you die. That would just drive
you crazy, you know what I mean? Well, yeah, and
the wife died in two thousand and six, so you

(35:37):
know she went ten years never knowing any answers. The
dad's been going all this time, and then you have
all this criticism of everybody around you for how you
handled it, your potential involvement. I mean, there was theories
floating around that the handwriting on the ransom note match
the mother's handwriting. There was you know, the daughter was
John Benay was sexually assaulted. I think if they kept

(36:00):
the kid from when they examined her, they might be
able to do DNA evidence. Now I just don't really
know what they have now that the documentarians are shaying
could very easily solve it. Right, we'll watch it and
report back to us. I will. I'm I am really
interested to just see what they have to say about it.
But all right, this this next case is like mind blowing.

(36:22):
This was an episode of Weeds. I don't know if
you remember, remember we used to watch that. Yeah, so
I don't know if you watched that far into it,
because I know you had stopped at some point. Well,
it just got it was like the best show ever,
and then it got so ridiculous and silly. A couple
seasons in that I was just like, okay, I'm done here. Well,
this is when it started really going downhill because there

(36:42):
was an episode nearly identical to this story we're about
to talk about. So in the UK, this mom was
really reluctant to let her thirteen year old son go
with his father one night, but she finally gave in,
probably just feeling guilt like he should spend time with
his dad. So immediately after picking this son, the dad
offers him cocaine. Thirteen years old. Well, he said he's

(37:04):
done it before, so why not give it to him again. Yeah,
the dad is saying that allegedly he did the cocaine before.
So that's not it. They go to a hotel room
and then two sex workers show up and one of
them takes the boy back in a room and it
says quote, performs a sex act on him. So while
the dad was just being really nice, he really felt

(37:27):
bad because his son had just broke up with his
girlfriend and he thought that this was a good way
to get him to get over this breakup. I literally
can't believe he's saying that, like trying to paint himself
as this good guy. So apparently, when the sex worker
got there, the son was like, I am not comfortable
at all going through with this, and he just said,
don't be a pussy and then made him go back there.

(37:48):
The mom didn't hear from him and didn't get any
communication from them at all till four o'clock in the morning,
when the dad sent a text on the son's phone
that said piss off. Wow. Now we wonder why the
mother was reluctant to send her son to go hang
out with this guy. It says, piss off, I'll guard
him with my life. Let the boy stretches wings. I'm

(38:10):
sure you're like, this is awesome. So obviously the boy
gets home the next day, tells the mom what happened.
He's like completely embarrassed. He didn't want to do it,
he felt forced into doing it, and then she immediately
took him to the police department. So did he I mean,
did he get arrested? Yeah, So the dad's been sentenced
to jail I think for four years, and he was

(38:30):
given a ten year sexual harm prevention order banning him
from unsupervised contact with children. Well, maintaining in jail that
he's a good dad and he was doing it to
help his son's broken heart. Well, the scary part is
is that he actually believes that, and there was some
intention of him trying to help him out, but you're

(38:51):
just like, where's your judgment, bro right, he set this
kid up for potential sexually transmitted infection, cocaine use, heart damage,
right to potential overdose, overdose anything. And then on top
of that, just think of the mental trauma because not

(39:11):
only did he not want to have sex with it.
I don't know if she gave him a blowjob or
whatever happened, but like he didn't want it, so he
kind of got raped. And on top of that, what
sex worker is having sex with the thirteen year old boy,
that's a whole other issue. The dad said he was eighteen,

(39:34):
but like, I'm sorry, you get one hundred percent tell
the difference between a thirteen year old and eighteen year old. Hey,
so what happened? I have even had full pubic hair
or a regular size penis yet, Like, seriously, what happened
on Weeds? Was you know the uncle, like the dead
dad's brother that came to live with them. Yeah, the
uncle took the cute little boy, like the littlest brother

(39:57):
to like a happy ending massage place when he was
twelve or thirteen years old. Yeah. Well, I mean that's
and that's when you're thinking, Okay, this show is getting outrageous,
and then this actually happening in real life. This guy,
I mean this guy. Yeah, and I want to hear
more about the sex worker and all that stuff because
that's like a whole other issue. But this poor kid

(40:20):
is going to have relationship problems and shit when he
gets older because of this. And then to know he's
gonna have relationship issues anyway because his dad clearly had
an issue. So yeah, it's just it's just really it
really just sucks to think because like, not only did
he have this traumatic experience. But now he knows that
his dad is getting arrested because of this, and his

(40:43):
mom probably feels terrible for letting them go, because listen,
this is not the first time she's thought that his
judgment was off clearly right, because normally, like, if your
kid wants to hang out with their dad, you're like, okay, bye,
I get freedom for a couple hours, right, Yeah, So
if you're saying, you know, I don't want my kid
around you, then there's a reason that she said that,

(41:06):
And I would love to know the reason actually, because
this guy clearly as the worst judgment of any human ever.
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So the world's tallest woman who's seven foot seven, and

(42:13):
the world's shortest woman who is two foot seven, have
met for tea on Guinness World Record Day. Their height
difference is five feet. Did you see the video. It's
so cute. It really was the cutest thing ever. You
know what I really love and this, I mean, my
book is just all about this, showing differences in humans.
And I love that in the past, these people would

(42:36):
be born with these with these different bodies right that
they're living in and normally they would feel kind of
shunned from society and they just would feel very insecure
about their the way that they look because they don't
look like everyone else. But I love that these people
are coming out and talking about the different syndromes that
they were born with and or the conditions they were

(42:57):
born with as well. And it's just it's just this
like makes me happy because it's just making it so
then other people that are living in the country and
everything or in the world feel comfortable being in their
own bodies in front of people because they're different. But
it's kind of cool, you know what I mean. Yeah,
it's cool to celebrate such extreme differences. I thought it

(43:18):
was really cute that they said they do have things
in common despite their height difference, which is loving makeup,
self care, jewelry, and doing their nails. Oh, that's so cute.
And they did look really great together. I thought it
was just such a cute little afternoon. So this woman
is seven. She's over seven foot tall, which is just
so tall, especially for a woman. Right. She has this

(43:40):
condition called Weaver syndrome. It's super rare. Only fifty people
have been documented with it in the world, so it's
just it's so so rare, and it causes changes to
the bones which cause people to have an abnormally tall stature,
as well as changes in the face, and that's why
she has ears that are a little bit large than
you would normally see on a person. But she also

(44:02):
side note, has the Guinness Book of World Records for
the largest years as well, so she's breaking lots of records.
But this is a genetic disorder that sometimes can be
passed on from a parent, but also it could be
a spontaneous mutation in a gene as well. So it's
just cool that she's embracing her different body and won

(44:25):
a world record for being the tallest. And this article
so the smaller Do you recognize the smaller woman? Yeah,
she was an American horror story one season. So the
article said, this is like typical news, just getting everything wrong.
They said that she has a condition called achondroplesia, which
is a typical when you think of a little person,

(44:48):
this is what this is the most common anomaly that
you would see. Right, But achondroplasia. Do you remember that
show that was called Little People, Big World or something
like that, that that's a little person or the people
that you would see in Wizard of Oz or something
like that. Those little people have a chondropleasia. They have

(45:08):
a very specific look and it's because they have a
problem with their cartilage ossifying as they grow or turning
or hardening into bone. And that those people are average
size of like four foot four, right, so she's two
foot tall. She doesn't have achondriplasia. She doesn't have the

(45:30):
same appearance as a person with achondroplesia. She has something
that's a super rare thing called primordial dwarfism, and that's
when you're having this small stature, even as you're a fetus,
you're you grow smaller, you're born smaller. And sometimes it's
mis diagnosed as other things like nutritional deficiencies or things

(45:53):
like that, or other kinds of syndromes. And there's not
really that many people that are around the world that
have that. But that's why she's just extremely small in
stature like that, and she doesn't have a contemplasure. So
I don't know where they got that from, but it's
estimated that this type of dwarfism is so rare that

(46:14):
it's one in three million people. There's only around one
hundred people in the entire United States diagnosed with it. Wow, yeah,
so cool. Yeah, so and she's just so she's just
so cute you just want to like pick her up
in a squeeze her, I know. And the picture of
them was super cute. They did say it certain times
during the lunch. It was kind of hard to make

(46:35):
eye contact with each other because of the height difference.
But I thought this was really cool that they did this,
and it was a really unique way to celebrate different bodies.
So we always loved to see that. Yeah, all right,
So this guy went on Reddit and was explaining that
when he met his ex that she had been raised
vegan and wanted him to be vegan as well. So

(46:56):
that would have been a deal breaker for me perfectly right.
I know they were together for over ten years. Imagine
like not being in a relationship because of cheese. No, Like,
what are you talking about cheese? Like I was, that
would be like a deal breaker for me totally. Yeah.
Wait till you see the cheese spread I have for
our Thanksgiving. Oh, I can't wait, Like, what have you

(47:17):
even talking about not eating cheese? So basically they were
going out for They were together for over ten years,
and they were both vegan at that point, and then
they had three children that they also raised vegan. So
after they broke up, he started questioning the vegan diet,
saying he was struggling with depression and anxiety. His bills
were really expensive when he would go out to eat

(47:39):
or go to the grocery store. He was having trouble,
you know, making up for all the nutrients he was
losing and then when he started reintroducing animal products over time,
he noticed he started feeling better. So then he started
thinking about how it was affecting his children. So he
did all of this research that found, you know, problems
with the vegan diet and children, and then he presented

(47:59):
this information to the kids and asked them how they
felt about it and if they'd be comfortable having animal
products again. So against well not again, I don't think
they've ever had it. They've never had it. Yeah, so
they the kids had never had it, so he was
asking if they were comfortable trying it out, but he
didn't tell the exus. So they started slowly giving them

(48:22):
animal products over time, and I guess she found out
it freaked out super like so bad. This is a
really interesting topic actually because in one sense you're like, Okay,
these are his kids too, so he can have the
choice as to what they eat. But for a vegan person,
this is like you might as well have given them

(48:42):
cocaine and a sex worker, right like, this is this
is how these people think. So you can go back
and forth because they're vegan is not always the healthiest diet,
especially if you're not doing it correctly. So there's been
studies done that vegan being on a vegan diet is
definitely good for cardiovascular health and for diabetes and all.

(49:05):
There has been proof of that, but there's also adverse
health effects that have been noted in the skeletal system,
especially in children who are growing, and impairments in mental health.
And what's interesting with this is that one of our
friends just stopped being a vegan after like three years
because he was having some health issues and decided to

(49:27):
do it. And his wife told me that he just
started eating cheese again, right, And she's like, he has
been and like over the past couple of weeks cheese
and milk products. She's like, he is literally in a
good mood. I haven't seen him in for the past
three years. Wow now. And I'm just like, well, yeah,

(49:50):
because cheese is awesome. And I didn't even really think
about it when she told me that until I started
looking into some things and saying that there definitely was
an association with having a better mood and everything like that. Now,
if you're a vegan person that does things correctly, then
you usually don't have any of these issues. But think
about kids and how picky they are anyway, and how

(50:14):
terrible their diets are. You know, you really have to
take that into consideration because they're in this vital stage
of brain growth and bone growth. So I don't think that.
And the dad also consulted the physician, the family physician,
who said that as well. So I don't think that
he's wrong because he did it on himself and felt

(50:36):
better and then wanted to do it. But it's kind
of weird. It's almost like a religion thing too, right,
Like one person wants to raise their kid this religion
and the other one doesn't. Like I don't really know
what the rules are there, but ultimately he probably wins
in this situation. Well yeah, and you know, he was
facing criticism because he didn't tell her and she was mad,

(50:59):
and she thinks doing it to spite her. But I'm like,
have you ever tried talking to an extreme vegan? Birts
wet your other point of view? Because I used to
work in a restaurant with murder megus murder. Yeah, I
used to work in a restaurant with over a fifty
percent vegan menu, and you know, we used to have
this woman come in. We we had Italian food so

(51:20):
like half of the menu is vegan Italian food, half
of it was regular. And we used to have parmesan
on all the tables. And this woman freaked out so
bad one time that the parmesan was on the table,
saying that we don't know what we're doing and we
are disgusting people for having parmesan on the table. And
I'm like, you don't have to eat here, Like, well,
I get out. But the thing is is that it's

(51:42):
the same if you're gluten free or anything like. You
can't when you go into a restaurant that serves meat
and cheese and dairy products, you can't. You can't separate it.
Like if it was real parmesan cheese in a vegan restaurant,
then that would be blasphemous, right, But like this is
restaurant that serves cheese and you know, serves cheese, so

(52:03):
there might be some kind of cross whatever at some point.
You can't you can't get mad about that. But that's
it wasn't even a cross contamination concern. She was just
appalled we had an animal product. And I'm like, this
isn't a vegan strict restaurant. Where are you talking about?
But from this mom's perspective, if she was raised vegan,
which and she's an older person, so being raised vegan

(52:26):
back when I was younger was a little bit like revelationary, right, Yeah.
So so she was raised that way and been that
way her whole life, like she's been, she's been like
indoctrinated to think that this is this is like the
only way to be, which she's entitled to, right, And
I do I do feel bad because, like I said,

(52:47):
it's the same thing as a let's say you're a
devout Catholic your whole life and you want your kids
to make their sacraments everything, and then you're married and
that's all good, and then all of a sudden, like
you get divorced and your husband's like, you know what,
fuck that, I don't want my kids to do that stuff.
You're kind of it's like heartbreaking to you because you
think that they're they're going to go to hell and
burn in hell because they're not because they're not doing

(53:09):
this stuff. But like that's what happens when you get
divorced and break up. You have to like and you
don't have two parents on the same page, you know
what I mean? Like it sucks for her. I do
feel bad about it. No, listen, it sucks. And if
you want to be vegan or you want to be
Catholic or you want to do whatever, you can do
whatever you want. But they are fifty percent his children too,

(53:29):
so you have to respect or you guys got to
try to meet in the middle somewhere or have you know,
a rational conversation about how you want to raise your kid,
and you just have to respect it was it was
in the best interests of the children, not to spite you.
It's ridiculous. Yeah, So I do think it's a really
interesting conversation though, because now with all of these people

(53:50):
being vegan, it's a very interesting thing because it's not
like the kids necessarily had an allergy to it or
something and the dad was force feeding the kids something
they're allergy to, like it's a dietary preference. So I
do think it's very well. And you could argue that
human beings, as Homo sapiens, are omnivores, so technically being

(54:12):
vegan is going again, it's like making a cat's a
carnivore and you're going to make them a vegan like
humans are supposed to be omnivores, so you're not abusing
the child by giving by giving them what they're supposed
to have. And again, like to reiterate, if you're vegan

(54:33):
the right way, it can be an incredibly healthy lifestyle. Personally,
the vegans I encountered at the place I worked out,
we're eating you know, vegan cheese steaks, which was essentially
like fried gluten input into more gluten with a fake
over processed cheese. So I don't particularly see that it's
being health well. I think I think now, like all
the stuff that's come out is like these fake meats

(54:55):
are just not really considered healthy. Anything as processed like
that is just yeah. I mean that those fake burgers
like bleed and shit, it's just like, what the hell
is this? Right now? They taste good. I think they
taste good, but what Yeah, we had these vegan wings
prior to me being gluten free that were delicious. I
preferred them over the chicken wings. They provided no nutrition

(55:16):
at all, Like at least chicken wings you get protein,
you know. They they had no nutritional value at all.
They just tasted good. But whatever, I think this is
interesting and I think we're going to see this conversation
coming up a lot over the next decade. Yeah sure, Okay.
So there's this food critic named Keith Lee on TikTok.
He goes to local restaurants and gives them reviews. So

(55:37):
in Seattle, he had gone to this one local sushi
spot that a bunch of people recommended he check out.
So I guess after getting the food, he went into
his car and filmed himself eating while reviewing the product.
Then his experience at the restaurant. And I don't know
if you watched the TikTok they I did, Okay, So
he's like lifting up all the individual pieces of sushi,

(55:59):
saying what they are, and eating them. And he lifts
one of them up and you just see on one
of the pieces a little squiggle off of the side,
and people started coming and that thing is moving. Whereat listen.
I watched the video and and I know that the
restaurant has put out a statement because I guess this

(56:19):
guy is going around like he's the next Zaggatz food reviewer, right,
Like he's he's making or breaking these restaurants. You go
there and get a review by him, and then all
of a sudden, like these businesses are blowing up right,
So if you go and there's a negative review, like,
obviously that's really bad. But the restaurant put out a

(56:40):
statement saying that sometimes the way the meat is, they
can move when you squeeze it with chopsticks, And I'm like,
that looked like a freaking worm to me too. Honestly,
I would have thought the same exact thing if nobody.
If somebody said watch this video, look at this one part,
I would have been like, there's there's a worm in it,
because there's there are worms that you've seen. We had

(57:00):
that video that was floating around from Costco Salmon that
had the little tiny worms in it. Yeah, and you
definitely could get parasites from fish, especially salmon, because salmon
is like could be freshwater and could be saltwater, and
especially if you use a freshwater fish, there's like a
higher percentage that you can get a parasite inside of it.

(57:23):
But you've seen it happen before, and you know, when
you're a sushi restaurant, you're supposed to be using sushi
grade fish. But even the way that they they're supposed
to flash freeze it and keep it frozen for ten
days before they serve it and all, there's all these rules,
but like that even doesn't one hundred percent prevent this

(57:43):
from happening. So I don't I don't think it's like, ooh,
don't ever go there again. I mean, it just happens.
This is life. You're getting animals that get parasites. But
but don't deny and don't say that the chopsticks were
making that happen. Well, I also feel like they were
like calling him now saying that what he was saying
was false. I'm like, he gave me a pretty good review.

(58:04):
People in the comments were noticing it.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
He didn't.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I don't know if he came out with another video afterwards.
I think he came out after days later and said
that he felt fine, and he did hear from another
person that they got sick for meeting there. Yeah, because
when according to the video I watched, he put the
thing in his mouth and didn't even realize that that
was happening. No, And I don't know, like when you

(58:30):
if you squeeze a piece of meat, you could definitely
think that the meat was moving, but this was like
a little squiggily white worm off the edge of the meat,
which is exactly what they look like. It wasn't movement
when you pick up food and it's flopping around. It
was something like an external bug squirming around the outside.
There's no mistaking it for something else moving. Yeah, there's

(58:51):
there's a worm that's called anaseychiasis, and that is the
typical one that we saw in the video from the
Costco salmon. It's like a little white, tiny worm that
rounds up and it's squiggly. And I'm telling you, like
I saw it, and I think I think he's there.
So poor restaurant. I mean, this is like the worst

(59:11):
thing that could possibly happen for them, But like it
might just be better to admit that these things happen
and you're going to do more in the future. I
don't know. Well, now the restaurants closed till further notice,
so they claim they're doing an investigation to see exactly
what happened, but who knows. Well, okay, so could we
think about this though, Like why would they close if

(59:33):
that if all, if they went back and checked all
their fish and it was totally fresh, Like why would
they close? Yeah? Exactly, And like did they close was
their own decision or did the health department close the down,
speaking of I came across I didn't even add this
because this was like very specific to some Miami newspaper.
But I came across this article the other day that

(59:54):
had the names of multiple restaurants and all of the
deficiencies these restaurants had, and they were so terrible, like
live fourteen live cockroaches and a dead rat, like all
of this like listed out stuff, and I was just thinking, Oh,
my god, every one of these restaurants is going to
lose their customers. I mean, I guess they should if

(01:00:15):
they're dirty, but I mean a restaurant that was down
the street from the one I worked at forever in
the city that my husband also worked at at some point,
just got shut down by the health department. And you know,
they also published a list of all their violations, and
they were saying something about them having like a record
amount of rodent feces in the restaurant, which I always

(01:00:36):
thought that place was really disgusting. And then my husband
said when he worked there years and years and years ago,
they had like a mummified rat on the shelf with
like the ketchup. You know, I'm like, you know, it's
not so like, especially in the city. I feel like,
even when you have a house, it's very hard to
keep like roaches out and rats and mice. They're just

(01:00:58):
because they're so like a you walk around South Philly,
you see them on the street just walking around. So
if one would get into your house, it would be
it would be crazy. But also I would I would
put more weight into it if that happened in the
burbs versus in the city, because you can't control how
your neighbors are living as well, you know what I mean,

(01:01:20):
It's nearly impossible in a city restaurant to keep that
stuff out completely. I think it's the way in which
you're tackling it and having past control coming in and
where you're keeping the dry storage and everything. And I
think that's more of the issue, not them coming in
in general, because it's it's truly impossible in a city
scenario to not have them come in at all. Yeah,

(01:01:42):
but you have to be really over the top on
top of it and clean and doing and storing everything properly. Yeah.
All right, So for about a month, this sixteen year
old girl was experiencing severe stomach pain and vomiting. She
had gone to the hospital twice, and all of her
tests were coming back normal at first, so they just
kept ending her own her way with pain medication into

(01:02:02):
meds for ulcers. So none of those medications were working
and her pain kept getting worse. So she went to
the hospital for the third time, and there they started
going through a list of all the potential really common
issues she could be facing, and they were shocked by
what they ended up discovering was the source. So I've
heard this several times. These stories all read the same

(01:02:25):
and end the same of these people that have this
certain condition. So when they finally worked up this girl,
they found out that she had a large ball of
hair in her stomach that was trickling down into her
small intestine. And this is called a tricho bezor, So

(01:02:45):
trico means hair and a bezor is just a ball
of something. So you could get lots of different kinds
of bezors in your I love that word too, by
the way, in your gi track if you have an accumulation,
like one time in the Laby got a Fido bezor,
which was just like this accumulation of I don't even
know what this dude ate a lot of like celery

(01:03:07):
or something, but it just was like all in a
ball stuck inside of his small intestine. So we got
it in surgical pathology. But what happens is these people
have a condition called pica. So first they have something
called tricho tilomania, which is when they pull their hair out.
So this is a mental illness condition that they they

(01:03:28):
have a compulsion that they pull their hair out, right,
and then tricophasia is when you pull the you pull
the hair out is the mania. And then when you
when you ingest it, it's called tricophasia, and that's a
condition that's pika. We talked about this before with didn't
weren't we talking about the the kid that ate the

(01:03:49):
stones or something or that was maybe that was in
the grocer wom I did a case of a kid
that that ate asphalt stones or was No, that was
an astrue diagnosis, that was an asteri diagnosis. But we've
talked about a couple of times with the woman who
ate all the crayons and then the person who ate
like an entire dining where's it. Yeah, So we talk
about this in the grossery room all the time, and

(01:04:11):
we also talk about it on Mother News. Death all
the time, and that's when a person is eating something
that's considered non nutritional food and that's usually due to
a mental illness as well, also can be due to
nutritional deficiencies and things like that. So the interesting part
of this particular case is not only did they have
this did she have this trichobezor in her stomach which

(01:04:31):
was the ball of hair, but she had something called
Rapunzel syndrome, which is super bizarre. But it's when this
hair starts getting starts moving down the gi track into
the small intestine. So when you pull out the hair
ball out of the stomach, it actually looks like Rapunzel's
hair coming down. That's why it's called it. It's like

(01:04:53):
this long tail of hair, and this tail of hair
can go down into the small intestine and it could
actually or great to small intestine. It could cause a
cute pancreatitis because it could block the pancreatic duck. And
it's just like a more rare presentation of one of
these hair balls. You know, the Modor Museum, like years
and years and years ago before they really sucked, like

(01:05:15):
had this special exhibition called fairy Tales or something, and
they had an example of this for Ponzel syndrome. Yeah,
it's it's it's cool. I have a couple cases. So
if you go in the grocery or if you're a
grocery member now and you just you could either search
trichobezor or just beezor or hair anything Rapunzel syndrome. There's

(01:05:37):
multiple cases that you could see what this looks like.
It's it's it's kind of cool looking actually, but it's
terrible for a person because when you eat certain things,
so you could have compulsions to eat things that will digest,
but hair doesn't digest, so it's just going to stay
in there and it's going to accumulate, just like it
does on your hair brush. It's just going to keep

(01:05:57):
accumulating into a big ball and it's going to get
stuck in there. But it's the same story all the
time that these people go in and they say they're
having all these symptoms, and it's funny that doctors keep
seeing these patients all the time and they were puzzle
as to what's happening, and not one time are they like,
are you eating anything that you shouldn't be eating? Just

(01:06:18):
just asking and not that everybody would admit it, but
that might narrow down some of the diagnoses in these situations. Yeah,
I mean, I don't think most people would admit it,
which is probably why they don't. I don't know, it
is weird. I don't know. I just think if I
was if I was a doctor and I was seeing
a person that was just like, listen, like you went
through this a couple of years ago that you were

(01:06:40):
having like gas it ended up being like gastritis or whatever,
but you were just like having all these stomach pains
and then they would give you medicine and it wouldn't
go away, and it just kept lingering and lingering, lingering,
right like I would that would just be my first thing, like, Okay,
I've ruled out gird, I've ruled out this, like could
it be that, like did you eat anything weird? You
know what I mean, like something like that. But well,

(01:07:02):
that was annoying because I understand why they have to
ask this, but every single time they're like, oh, did
you take a pregnancy test? And I'm like, yeah, I
think I ruled out the common issue. Thank you, Like
I'm not dumb. Thanks, Oh my god. That was driving
me crazy and then it ended up being gluten so
fun times all right. So new research from the FDA

(01:07:24):
has found that a very popular asthma drug, unfortunately one
that a bunch of us have taken over all of
my children, all of your children, may be linked to
serious mental health issues. Okay, so this drug is called
singular at singular whatever you say, however you say it.
Mana Luklast is the generic name of it. My kids

(01:07:44):
have been on it since they were two or three
years old, like very little children for asthma. It's a
common medication to control asthma allergies. Maria was on it
for years of her life too. So what's funny about
this story is that my friend said to me years
ago that her kid went on this drug when he

(01:08:08):
was two years old. He's now ten, so this was
eight years ago, and she said that he got so
crazy after he started taking that medication that she just
took them off of it because she was like, he
was acting so weird. It went from like being normal
to acting completely crazy after taking this drug. It was
very noticeable to this mom, so she stopped giving it

(01:08:29):
to him and she went online to all these like
Facebook groups and Reddit groups and stuff like that, and
saw that there were multiple people that were complaining that
their kids were exhibiting signs of psychosis and suicide in
some cases like crazy shit, And she's like, you know what,
like I'm never giving that drug to my kid again
and this So she told me that years ago, and

(01:08:51):
then this story came out this week, eight years after
she's been hearing about this and noticing this, And it's like,
why is the FDA is so behind when all of
these patients are complaining about this. This is a legitimate
thing that now they're saying that the drug affects receptors
on the brain that are in charge of a child's
mood and impulse control, cognition, sleep, all things that are

(01:09:15):
super important for a child to be acting mentally normal.
And now you're just like, god, when when like my
kids were on it, and it's like, especially the little one,
when she's so moody and shit, You're just like, is
that because she's been on this drug every single day
for the past five years of her life? You know
what I mean. It's it's nuts. It's hard to say.

(01:09:36):
It doesn't make me feel great as somebody that took
it for such a long time, and as an adult
that experiences really severe anxiety issues, I'm not saying it's
one hundred percent linked to that. And of course they're
saying it's short term, so I don't think we're gonna
know until more studies are done if it's actually long
term or not. Yeah, but guess what they also said.
They also said that this pill was equivalent. It was

(01:09:58):
so safe, it was equivalent to a a sugar pill
when it first came out. They also said oxycotton was
so safe, and look how that turned out. Like, what
are they sadly talking about here? It doesn't seem like
they started investigating this until I think around twenty and nineteen,
when an astronomical amount of accounts online started popping up

(01:10:19):
of suicides and these like psychological events started popping up
on Reddit and all these other forums. So they were like,
you know what, like we need to really start looking
into this more, even though you're saying this was dating
back to potentially what two thousand and fifteen, Yeah, And
I you know, I didn't really because because when my
friend was telling me about it, she's like, oh, all

(01:10:39):
these kids are killing themselves and this and that, and
then I was kind of like, all right, well, my
like my kids don't really exhibit those particular signs. So
I just was like, what you know, because because a
lot of times online too, you have and I guess
that's why the FDA kind of observes it for a while,
because you have people saying things that might just not

(01:11:02):
really be true either kind of or there's no correlation.
But I think after after seeing this and seeing that
it definitely like the scientists involved in everything have said
that it affects the brain and the receptors of the brain,
I immediately like I got I was like, I'm not
giving this to my kids anymore. I'm just not I'm
not doing it. I don't care if the benefits of it,

(01:11:25):
which I don't even think that their asthma is super
under control anyway, So I'm just kind of like, I
don't care. I'm not doing this. Like this is and
I don't think anybody should give this shit to their
kids honestly, Like it's it's so scary because you you know,
you're giving it to them thinking asthma this and that,
like you're not even thinking anything about their actual brain

(01:11:46):
developing that this could be a potential thing you know,
so scary. Well, it's scary. I've said this a bunch
of times on here, Like there's there's a mild distrust
with the FDA right now because everything well pretty severe
on my behalf, but some people really stilln't believe them.
But after you know, all this information has come out

(01:12:08):
about oxy cotton and how that's like, you know, really
skyrocketed this opioid crisis we have in this country, well
really the entire world, but mostly this country. I think
it's really important everybody looks into that. With that said,
I'm not against taking medication at all. I just think
we really need to look at certain things and historically

(01:12:29):
what has happened with them. And I think them putting
the little like black label on this medicine isn't really
doing it justice. I think they owe us having external
resources investigating this too, and not just like what they
say is what it is. It could be much worse,
it could be less severe. I would just feel more
comfortable if it was protocol, if multiple agencies did, you know,

(01:12:52):
independent research. What sucks is that this is in the
news right now. But let's say like in a year
or two, if a person goes to the allergy doctor
and the doctor subscribe prescribes this to them and they
don't really know. They've never taken it before, so they
don't know. Like they might take the medication and not
even really know about it. Like what, I don't even

(01:13:13):
understand what's what is a black label? It's just like
saying cigarettes are bad kind of thing. Yeah, it's like
basically they had to put it on oxycotton too. Saying
there was really dangerous side effects of taking the medication.
It doesn't mean it can't be sold or given out
or prescribed or anything. It just means, like we're letting
you know that our research has found that there's really
severe side effects from taking this medication. But I don't

(01:13:35):
think a lot of people even understand what that means.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
So, yeah, who would who would have their kid, have
their their their mood unstabilized to take an asthma drug
like And doctors don't just like weed itself out, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
And doctors get a lot of incentive to give these
medications out, and I don't think they're always fully transparent
about the side effects. So let's start thinking about stuff
like that. I think it's very important to do your
independent research before you start taking anything instead of just
taking it at face value. I think that's the lesson
we've been doing your independent research. Though It's like shit
gets blocked on the internet, you know what I mean,

(01:14:12):
Like you could search all you want, but I mean,
my friend did come across all of these groups at
some point. But I'm more concerned with the time it
takes for people that are reporting all of these side
effects for all of these different kinds of medications, drugs,
et cetera, and not like for it to become a thing,

(01:14:36):
it takes forever. So when you hear and it has
to do with anything that's new, because the new ones
are obviously like the vaccine was one thing, and then
now it's like ozepic and all those side drugs. Like
when you are watching social media and hearing people same
we could say about breast implants too. When you're hearing

(01:14:59):
the average people bring up the same complaints all the
time that they're getting sick from these things, pay attention
because it's gonna come up in five ten years from
now that oh yeah, that was bad, you know what
I mean. I think every single person in the world
should watch the documentary The Crime of the Century. I
believe it's on HBO, Max Max, whatever it's called now.

(01:15:22):
It's about what happened with oxycott and I think is
very important in understanding the manufacturing of that drug and
the healthcare system. I think everybody should watch that and
then it'll really open never pour back to us, report back.
I'm sure some people are gonna have problems with what
we're saying, but when I watch that, it changed I'm
not even one of those people that's like, I've watched

(01:15:43):
this documentary. It changed my life like that one's legitimately
changed my life. It really opened my eyes and I
think it's very important for everybody to see. Okay, other
death news in India, this twenty five year old guy
had an epileptic fit and went to the hospital. So
when he got there, the doctor said they tried to
perform CPR, but his heart rate flat lined and they

(01:16:05):
just declared him dead. Didn't want to do an autopsy,
set him straight to the mortuary. So when he gets
to the mortuary, they put him on this funeral pire,
which seems like this, Why would you explain this thing?
It's just like a pile, like a fire pit for humans. Yes,
that's that's like what it is. It's a fire pit

(01:16:27):
for humans. It just looks like a bunch of wood
that you set on you just put a person on
top of, instead of like a pig for a luel.
It's kind of like kind of thing Salem which trial esque,
so like to visually what it looks like, I don't know,
but apparently doing this as part of Hindu tradition. This
is what this article is saying. But they put this

(01:16:48):
guy on this funeral pire, they said, literally moments before
they lit this thing on fire to essentially cremate him,
people noticed him squirming around on it, and he was
not dead at all. Yeah, So they took him back
to the hospital and he wasn't like it's not like
he was perfectly like, hey guys, what's happening? Like he
was he was not doing well. And I took him

(01:17:10):
to a hospital and then tried to transform to another
hospital which was like one hundred miles away or something insane,
and he ended up dying in route this time, real
for real this time, but he was alive and was
almost burned alive. Just it's insane. And I guess they
said that there was some kind of post mortem report

(01:17:31):
filled out even though that he didn't have an autopsy,
saying that he had COPD and stuff. And I don't know,
like I don't know the way the procedures that are
done in India when a person dies, but they seem
to be taking it seriously that this happened. Yeah, the
doctors involved to vin suspended. They're doing an investigation to

(01:17:52):
see exactly what happened. I think most people do find
this completely unacceptable. We've kind of had a couple stories
now this year that have involved people either going to
the morgue or going to the funeral home, like being
alive still when they were declared dead. It's kind of alarming.
Is it like a laziness thing? I'm just I just

(01:18:13):
don't know. I just I don't listen. I don't I
don't know what the procedure is when you pronounce someone dead,
because I've never done it. I you know what I mean,
It's just get them after I just get them afterwards.
I don't know. There has to be some kind of
a checklist that's like this person's definitely dead, going down
the list of like what vital signs are lack thereof

(01:18:33):
that they have so I don't know. It's just this
shit is just crazy. I've never I've obviously never had
a situation of it happening. I don't know. Every single
time we reported it's in another country, it hasn't been
here so far. Not to say that it hasn't happened here,
but it would have been in there at least this

(01:18:56):
year when we're doing the news and stuff. We haven't
reported it here. So I don't know. Because, like I said,
I'm not a doctor. I would think that if you're
a person that pronounces people dead all the time, that
it should be very clear that like a person is dead,
there should be absolutely no way mistaking it. But I

(01:19:16):
don't know. I don't know, all right, I just don't know.
What do you say in this situation? To move on
to questions of the day, Every Friday at the mother
nos Death Instagram account, we put a little story up
and you can ask it whatever question you want. Do
you routinely take samples during autopsies? If so, what are
they so? Yes, we do. It depends on where the

(01:19:41):
autopsy is being done, so in the hospital we're usually
doing them along with residents that are in pathology that
are learning. So we do a little bit extra than
you would normally do, like at a medical examiner's office,
for example, But in the hospital, if we're doing a
full autopsy, we will sample every single organ, and we'll

(01:20:02):
actually keep a little piece of every single organ in
a jar called the stock jar, which we could go
back to later, because, for example, when we take all
the organs out and we look at them and then
we put them back in the body and send them
to the funeral home just a couple hours after the autopsy,
we don't have the body anymore. So let's say, for example,
we look at something under the microscope and it looks

(01:20:23):
kind of funny, and you're like, oh my god, I
want to look at this long again. Well, you can't
do it if the body's gone already. So if you
keep a little piece in a jar, then you're able
to go back and look at it again. So we
keep those jars in the morgue for a couple months
and then dispose of them with the medical waste. But yeah,
especially every hospital autopsy that I've done, we sample everything,

(01:20:47):
even like if the guy died from cancer, we'll take
a sample of testicles. We just look at every single
thing prostate, small bowl, large boal, appendix, skallbladder, every organ
we take samples of normally if you're doing an autopsy
for forensic purposes. Like let's say, for example, a person
was found dead, they dropped dead, and you do the

(01:21:08):
autopsy and you see they have a pulmonary embolism or something.
There's really no reason to sample the testicles because like,
who cares, that's not what killed the guy. So they
but they have way more bodies to autopsy when we're
doing it, like, oh, we want to we want to
look at disguy's prostate because we want to see if
he had cancer then you didn't know about it, just
to learn something. But like medical examiner case, they don't

(01:21:30):
care about that. All right. Do you still sell signed
copies of your book?

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
I mean no, wait, don't say it. So we don't
sell signed copies of the book. You can get a
sticker that you can sign and get personalized that you
could put in the book. If you're a grosser, remember
and you win one of our you know what is
it Wednesday or a monthly giveaway, you can get a

(01:21:58):
signed copy sent to you where it's where you sign
the physical book. But we do not sell those. Yeah,
that's and that's like one of the spots. So when
we play games in the grosser room. So we have
a couple we do every month, we just do a
giveaway and then and then also we do what is

(01:22:18):
it Wednesday every week where you could win. We have
a couple of different games that you could win stuff
for and that could be one of your choices of prizes,
Like can't they pick something from the website too if
they want like merch or something or Yeah, there's all
different prize options. So, yeah, if you want if you
have a book already or you want a signed copy

(01:22:40):
and you don't want to like try to win one
of the games thing, you could go to the doormatter
dot com slash book and then there's a link there
where you could get a personalized book plate sticker where
you could get it addressed to yourself. You could get
a little message on it. You could just get a signature,
and then you could stick that in a book that
has to be purchased separate. Yeah, and you could also

(01:23:01):
get a like a little Christmas card holiday card that
I'll write whatever within reason, whatever you want in it.
And then there's some opportunities, Like when I went to
Crime Con, I did a book signing. Another side note
is every time I'm in a Barnes and Noble or
something and I see my book, I sign it when

(01:23:22):
I'm at the store. So you might just like a
random Yeah, you might randomly come across that from time
to time. But yeah, through your options, you should be
able to hit a couple on your on my road trip. Yeah,
so that'll be fun, and you should just do like
a fun little tour and post videos and then people
could go on scavenger hunts and find them. Yeah, totally. Yeah,

(01:23:44):
but that's how you guys can get them, I think
right now. If you go you could either go to
the doormatter dot com sash book, but if you go
to just thedoormatter dot com or the grossroom dot com,
there's a little shop tab and there's like a little
drop down thing and there's a tab that's says book
plates and holiday cards and you could click that and
you could also find merch there too. So if you're

(01:24:07):
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link for that is in the description of every episode too,

(01:24:28):
so you can find it there all right. Last favorite
Thanksgiving side dish. Oh, the Pauladine corn cast role. That's
my favorite too, And I also like I make this
sweet potato castrole and I like mixing them together. I
think that's the best flavor in the world. Like the
Paula Dene corn cake seriously takes like four sticks of

(01:24:52):
butter or something insane. Yeah, it's I feel I hate
making it because I feel guilty eating it afterwards because
I'm just like, I can't believe that this is like this,
but that might be like that every single time you
go out when foods taste good, that there's just like
ten sticks of butter and something. Yeah, of course it is.

(01:25:13):
I brought my kids to this overrated cookie place. I'm
sure you guys know what I'm talking about because they
think it's all the rage because they see it on
their stupid YouTube videos. And I couldn't believe that the
cookies were almost a thousand calories each for one cookie
like they always I mean they're big, they're like you know,

(01:25:36):
I don't know, like for us like a one portion
cookie though yeah, I mean I could eat it in
one sitting there if they were good. I just don't
even understand why you would waste that many calories, Like
I don't I understand many have to wouldn't even have
that much right, Like it just seems like a lot.
Well that's not true necessarily. Have you ever read the

(01:25:57):
calories and like the bakery section at Wegmans, those fruit
tarts have even a lot. I I hate the calorie
list situation. Can I understand that why they do it?
But it ruins it when you're just like I just
want to have an unhealthy snack, but I don't want
to know it's a thousand calories. Yeah, that's why I like,

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I actually prefer going to like a little family owned
restaurant because they don't list that stuff. Because if you
go to any kind of a chain place, you're just like,
there's like this more upscale chain steak place near us,
and it'll say like it's a thousand calories just for
like one part of it, Like the steak or what
and you're just like and then I'm like, oh, I

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don't want to eat that, you know what I mean?
But when you're out to eat, you want to just
like enjoy. Sometimes I do understand it for every day though,
because I think a lot of people, especially me when
I was when I was a teenager, and I didn't
really know about like calories and stuff. I didn't really
understand like how you got fat, you know, because we
didn't learn that in school. I remember I was drinking

(01:27:01):
these like white chocolate raspberry mocha things from Starbucks, like
a ventee every day, and then someone was just like, yo,
do you know that there are like a lot of calories,
Like you could get fat for them. You're only supposed
to have like under two thousand calories a day and
this one's like eight hundred. And I was like what, Like,
I you know what I mean, Like I didn't even

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know that. So maybe a lot of people don't really
realize how many calories and you make better choices, like
if you go to Starbucks often that maybe you won't
get like a five hundred calory one every single day
because obviously you start getting fat. Yeah, But also like
if you look at most of if you get like
one of the Christmas coffees for example, right, they're all
five hundred calories and it's because they all have like

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five to six pumps of whatever syrup in a medium coffee.
That is disgusting. Yeah, but if I guess if they
weren't listed, people wouldn't realize that they were, you know
what I mean, like you kind of you don't really
realize that. And then but I don't know, it's like
a double edged thing because sometimes I'm like, I like
to know what it is, especially something that I want

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to drink like every single day or eat every single day.
But at the same time, you're like, well, I don't
if you should be counting calories on Thanksgiving. I mean,
it's like a day of indulgence. So no, I know,
I think it's okay to have an extra buttery side.
It's I mean, it's just so good, it really is,
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