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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great
show for you today. We're going to talk about the
new docuseries about the Idaho for an old story involving
Jane Mansfield's death and new information coming out about it,
so that's pretty interesting. We'll talk about the new mortician
show that Maria's all psyched about what happens to a
dead person after they are buried. We always talk about that,
(00:43):
but what happens to their clothing? We never really talked
about that, and that was a pretty interesting article.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And of course one of.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
The biggest stories is that we should talk about what
underwear is best to wear for a good vaginal health.
All that and more on today's episode. Let's start with
the Idaho for docuseries.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, so prime of the new docuseries coming out about
the Idaho murders on July eleventh. We will be at
our meet and greet in Atlanta that day if you
want to chat about it. But is this not problematic?
Wasn't the Dateline special a big deal because it was
compromising the case potentially, and now they have this docuseries
coming out a month before his trial is supposed to
go on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
They just can't they can't wait. You know, it's been
a long time, and this one's going to be different though,
And I think it's going to be really cool because
it's interviews with well not I don't know if cool
is the right word, but it's going to be very enlightening,
I guess to say, what is the perspective of the
family and friends that were involved with it? So usually
(01:46):
when we see like on the when we see the
dateline special, that's like forensic investigators and cops and all
of these people who are being interviewed. But for this
particular doctor series, it's like from a real life perspective
of life, like getting that phone call. But they do
have like people that were friends that showed up at
(02:06):
the house, because remember a bunch of their friends showed
up and when they didn't know what was going on
and just talking about it. But I do agree with
you because one of the girls, at least in the trailer,
she was like, we realized that we were being stalked,
And I was like I thought that that was like.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like, that's that's not that's not.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What's the word I'm looking for, Like, you can't just
say that, right because that hasn't been proven in a
court of law yet.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
This is what I'm talking about, Like, is it gonna
reveal evidence that's gonna hurt him having a fair trial,
meaning a fair trial for the victims to convict him. Yeah,
I mean we don't.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
We don't really care if he gets the fair true
what I'm talking about, Like, I mean you do though,
Like if it's because they're I mean, they've been trying
to tease with like there's another person and this and that,
and like I'm curious if there is more to the story. Honestly,
I don't know. I mean, I definitely think that there's
way too much against him, but just curious if anyone
(03:05):
else was potentially involved would be interesting. Although it's like
so many people are obsessed and interested with this case
that you feel like something else would have come out
about another person at this point, don't.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You think so? Like I just yeah, I mean, this
is one of the biggest trials going on right now.
You would think with all the flutes and everything, that
they would have information. I don't know. As the family,
I understand they want to get their story and their
experience out there. But if it's a matter of a
month of waiting, right, you should just want everything to
go through to get justice in your child's dead.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, imagine the prosecution probably like every single time they
hear something's coming out, they're probably like, oh god, you know,
because they don't want to ruin their case with him.
But I guess if they feel so confident about it,
then they shouldn't really care.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, not for nothing. But this article was also talking
about emotion that his defense lawyer pointed out, and about
his alibi saying he was driving by himself so he
couldn't have done it. And I'm like, if this is
the way this case is going, it's not looking very good.
Like the defense is very good.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I don't think it looks very good for him either,
but you never know, like what's gonna come out. So
I yeah, we haven't even written about this in the
gross room yet because I I mean, obviously, like we
talk about death and stuff all the time, but the
main focus, especially of the gross room is like the
autopsy and the pathology and the scene investigation and stuff,
and I just don't think that enough information has been
(04:37):
released yet. I mean we know that they had sharp wounds,
and we know that some of them were gouged. Then
we hear in this new thing that Ethan had carvings
in his body. So it's just like there's going to
be like a lot more details that comes out with
this trial starting in August to just like bear with
us a couple more months, and we're definitely going to
(04:58):
write it up once more information comes out.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah. So also next week a documentary is coming out
about Jane Mansfield and that set the premiere on HBO. So,
as we know from pop culture, Jane Mansfield died in
this horrific car accident. But I didn't really realize that
the kids were in the car at the time of
the accident. So all three adults that were in the
car were sitting in the front seat because of course
this is when we had like bench front seats and
(05:22):
it was definitely not safe at all. They all died
as a result of the accident, but the three kids
were in the back. They were found unconscious and three
year old Marishka Hargatee, who was her daughter, was initially
left at the scene because she was so small that
they did not realize she was wedged under a seat.
That is so outrageous to me. Yeah, so one of
her brothers, so her two brothers who were also in
(05:44):
the car were six and eight years old. One of
the kids woke up and was like at the time,
she was going by the name Maria. So they said,
where's Maria And then they were like, oh my god,
and they went back and found her. That's so sloppy, honestly,
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I mean, listen, like I understand that this was a
long time ago, but you still there was still this
is like an amateur hour mistake. This doesn't you know,
like when you look at seeing investigations and crime scenes
and toxicology and all this, you'll say, Okay, there's been
so many exam advances since the nineteen sixties, but like
(06:20):
this is just like using your eyeballs. It hasn't changed
in thousands of years.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You know. It's just you see a whole three year old.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Like and like, think about the repercussions of that being
Jane Mansfield's kid. I mean, it's but this is what happens.
It's like they got so tripped up because it was
Jane Mansfield that they probably didn't follow proper procedure.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well exactly, So that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And we see that with every every single we Actually,
so I wrote a celebrity death dissection on this before
you even started working for me, back in like twenty
twenty one, right, So, which is it's a really good one. Actually,
there's a lot of scene photographs and stuff like that
we should add that we should add this into that
(07:07):
dissection because this is like, it is kind of like
a breaking news even though the case is so old.
It's just it's it's really interesting and shows like sloppy
police work.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, it is interesting, and I wonder if any of
the kids have suffered any like lifelong issues from being
in this car accident. I mean it could have. It
could very well have been public knowledge that this was
a thing. But I've definitely never heard this part before,
let alone her being buffed in at the scene.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
He had She had five kids, and three of them
were in the car, so I don't know why the
other two weren't with them.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But another thing.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That's coming out of this documentary is that she found
out that that he's not even her dad.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, Hargeta is not her dad. So I think this
is going to be really interesting. I feel like I
don't know that much about Marishka Hargatea. But besides the
fact that she's you know, TV Royal TV on Law
and Order all this time, she's she's like one of
these actresses, cause you know that there's.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Like the Blake livelies that like most people can't stand
and all this stuff. She's just like nobody. Have you
ever said heard anybody say they don't like her?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
She starts Anybody on Law and Order people negative exactly.
Like it's like she stars in like a really cool role.
So she's like a cool person, Like she seems cool
just because of her role. It's been on forever. Everyone
knows who she is. Nobody says like, oh, Law and
Orders is this or that? Like most people are like, yeah,
(08:39):
it's good, Like I don't sit down and watch it,
but whenever it's on, it's good, you know what I mean,
Like I like it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's it's done well and well it's this huge show
in the culture. I mean, I actually think it's really cool.
So our boss, Elvis Durand actually was a dead body
on one of Oh yeah, yeah, he thought it'd be
cool to do it, and it it.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Is that was really cool. He showed me the picture.
He was so excited. He's like, does this look real?
And I'm like, it's this iconic show. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I mean there's been you know, even from down to
the credits. Executive producer Dick Wolfe. I mean, everybody knows
every single element of this show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So, and they play the at the Phillies game, they
play the like the gavel going down.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, they played the theme song for when they introduced
the Umpires. Yeah. So, I don't know, it's kind of
cool to be in some regards the daughter of such
a famous person and such a famous person yourself, but
there is not that much information about your personal life
out there, especially today.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, And I think a lot of people don't unless
like pop Off, for example, always knew her last name
and who she was. But like a lot of people
that are younger that weren't around for the whole Jane
Mansfield thing, they might not know automatically that her last
name being associated with with Jane's Mann's, you know what
(10:00):
I mean. Like, so, I think that she really established
herself as as an actress and has and and it's
cool too that she didn't try to do exactly what
her mom did, Like she she's like doing you know
what I mean. She she comes off as like a
very serious actress that that is like professional, and her
(10:21):
mom was Her mom was more of like the haughty,
like bombshell type, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But I think this documentary is even trying to break
that imagery that she was only this bomb.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So yeah, well, because she she she seemed to have
been pretty intelligent of a person. But the problem is
is that when you look like that, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What people assume, you know what I mean. And she
was in her mid thirties when she died, so it's
like she was very young, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
And she had five kids when she was in her
when she was in her early thirties, Like that's not
right there.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Scene this episode is brought to you by the Grossroom. Guys.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Like we said in the grocerroom, we have a celebrity
death dissection on Jane's Manfield. This is like a really
good one and it talks about the Mansfield bar, which
is something that you see on the back of trucks
all the time now. So a lot of that had
to do with this particular accident, mostly because when the
crash happened, their car went underneath of a truck and
(11:23):
essentially like decapitated the top of the car. And it
was good that the little kids were in the back
laying down because that's what saved their life. But when
the police came to the scene, they actually thought that
the car was a convertible. Like that's how much the
car was destroyed. Yeah, So it's really interesting going through
that whole case, and just these retro cases are just
(11:46):
kind of fun to read about from a forensic perspective.
What else are we doing. We have the part two
of the Buy for Dolphin high profile death dis section
that we did, and this one is like super good
because it as all of the.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well that's coming up on Monday. That's gonna oh that's
coming up on Monday.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, but we did so this week we did all
of the you know, the history behind the accident and
all of this stuff. And then in the next one,
which is coming up on Monday, we're going to talk
about the autopsies and like what happens to a person
when they are in a situation where they get decompression
sickness and they explode and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And what does that body look like? So it's really interesting.
Check it out. Head over to the gross room dot com.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Now, all right, so this is the burning question everyone has,
what underwear? What kind of underwear do you wear?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well, my takeaway is that granny panties are pretty good.
Joys cotton granny panties. No, So they interviewed a medical
advisor for Winks Health, which is a woman's health company
focused on sexual and aagial health, and this person was
saying that for every day, you should wear simple, soft
cotton underwear. That's the healthiest choice between briefs boys, it's
(13:00):
or even high waisted cuts aka granny panties. Though you
love that granny panties have been rebranded as high waisted
cut I know. But they also suggest free from harsh diees,
synthetic fragrances, or chemical finishes. And then they're saying, you know,
the worst kinds of underwear to wear are thongs, g strings,
(13:20):
and synthetic lace because they can be irritating and too
tight and cause a lot of irritation. Yeah, and really
the grossest part of so what kind like, what kind
do you wear? Granny panties? I don't really wear underwear
that much.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I do.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like if I go to bad whatever, you could say
it's ill.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But like the more the closer you have stuff there
is like that's where the problem comes. So if you
have like a breathable thing, that's fine, but I'd rather
just air out like a little bit more. It's just
my preference.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I primarily wear cotton, but I also wear a lot
of silky ones, So I'm gonna say those are probably
not great because they're synthetic.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No, they're not, because they could. They're saying it allows
the skin to breathe. I don't know if the skin
technically breathes, but it allows you know, air circulation, because
the moisture is what causes yeast to grow and bacteria.
But the grossest one they say to wear is a thong,
And it does make sense because the thong is in
(14:21):
your ass crack and it's like rubbing against your hole.
And they're like, it doesn't matter if you're the cleanest
person in the world, Like, there could be bacteria there
and there could especially be equal eye there, and then
if you walk around then you sweat, that could mix
with the sweat and drip down into your urethra or
your vagina and give you a yeast. In fact, she
(14:41):
could go into your urethra and give you a urinary
track infection. So like it does make sense. That's why
I don't like. I just feel like I'm too sensitive
down there, Like I just don't like to have anything
near there because I'm too sensitive.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But can't you argue that not wearing any underwear at
all also leaves you open be too get be exposed
to something else instead of protecting it. But like what
like a bacteria or something, or in the very first
episode of this podcast, maybe a bug crawling up there. Yeah,
(15:16):
I suppose that that could happen, and it doesn't happen
often though, I'm sure so I don't. I don't think so,
Like I just think, wait, just think about like if
you it's like it's like wearing a mask on your
face kind of like they get gross after a while.
I don't know. I just think it's like better to
just like air it out. Listen. One of the perks
(15:36):
of marriage is that I don't got to impress anybody
no more. So now I could just wear ugly ass
granny panties off. That's a terrible attitude to have. I'm
half joking, but no, but yeah, I'm gonna stick with
wearing my grandma underwear and then you're good with the cotton.
(15:56):
I'm good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Songs are like I guess they were saying good once
and like I couldn't do that because that's another thing too.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
For me.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
That's another thing too, Like I can't stand the line
like seeing the lines on your ass from the from underwear,
you know what I mean? Yeah, And like songs are
like no, So it's just like easier to just not
wear any It's like I have I don't have a
nice spot. So with the lines showing too, it just
makes it look worse.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Like trust me cares. I don't know if you see
my panty lines, just don't put about it. I just
don't need to know. Okay, let's move on to the
Mortician show. So we got a lot of messages asking
us to cover this show. I don't think I'm gonna
go into that much detail because I really would like
to do a dissection on this story because it gets
(16:46):
kind of nuts. But you didn't watch a show, so
I'll just give you a basic rundown of what happens.
There was this family funeral home in Pasadena, California, called
the Lamb Funeral Home, and like most funeral homes, it
was run by families for a more ultigeneration. Oh you
know what I wanted to tell you about that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Actually what I used to work with a guy that
did autopsies when I first started out a really long
time ago, and his family owned a funeral home and
that was their last name, Lamb.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Uh huh, I isn't that weird. I mean, this is
in Philly, but I'm in Huntington Valley because when I
googled it, that's that one case it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Could it could be possibly. I mean he said, the
guy's dead, but I don't know if he had like
kids or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, this was the former Lamb Funeral Home of Fasadena,
California we're referencing in this story. So by the eighties,
this woman Laurie and Lamb scnce, so she was like
the next generation taking over. At that point, her and
her husband were running the funeral home and their son,
David Sconce was running the crematory for them. So by
(17:47):
this point they have a really small crematory and they
were only doing like one to two hundred bodies a
year of services. So then David figures out at some
point that he could charge less than their competitors and
do more cremations if he starts burning multiple bodies at
a time instead of one at a time. Real good idea.
(18:09):
So you'll ever figure it out. Yeah, So in most cases,
you would assume if you're gonna do something extremely immoral
like this, that you're gonna like slowly ease into it. No,
by the next year, they no.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
One ever does. All these stories we talk about, it's
always like this immediate reed and you're like, why would
you ever think that you weren't get caught doing this?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You're not even gonna believe how this story escalates. So
the cremations is like part one of multi parts of
the story. So by the following year of him doing
this multibody cremation, they go from like one hundred and
fifty to two thousand, and then by the year after
that they're at four thousand, and then by nineteen eighty
(18:50):
seven they're doing twenty five thousand bodies a year. Nothing
to see there so and raise any alarms at all.
So of course, like they're going through this, so I'm
gonna go kind of out of order from the documentary.
But they had this crematory. They were doing up to
fifty bodies at a time. They even had a contest
between employees to see how many people they could fit
(19:12):
in one oven at one time, and then they would
just scoop out whatever they could send it off to
the families, which they interview this man, by the way,
who's out of prison, and he still justifies it, saying,
what's the difference, it's all ash anyway. Wow. So he's
totally not apologetic for anything to do. So at some
point they are small crematory crematorium I'm probably saying it wrong,
(19:36):
and everybody's mad burns down. So this guy creates a
fake ceramics company, rents a warehouse in the middle of
the desert, builds this giant oven, and then they start
burning two hundred bodies at a time. You will never
believe how they get caught. Somebody that lived nearby was
a person that liberated Auschwitz, the concentration camp, and reckon
(20:00):
the smell of burning flesh while and called on them. Wow. Yeah,
so that's how they get caught.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It has a very specific smell, like it smells like
burnt hair. Yes, it's a very it's a very like
when you smell that smell, you're like, it's not just
burnt me or whatever. You're like, no, it smells like
it smells like human hair burning. It's it's that's what
the smell is. It's distinct, and that's amazing that that
guy recognized that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, So at this facility they go in and then
there's just literally like fat residue from the bodies, sticky
all over the floor. Oh my god. And there's so
they were there in the middle of one of the burns.
So these people arrive there and they open, like the
cops get there and open the oven and there's all
these human remains in there, partially burned, so some of
(20:49):
them still have flesh on them. So this is how
they they start getting caught, right, and then it just
turns out it's even worse. So then they're interviewing employees
and everything who said it's so point before they would
burn the bodies, David sconce told them to take the
gold and silver fillings out of the deceased people because
why not scrap it and make money. So they were
(21:12):
making extra money doing that, and then they were pulling
teeth out of dead people. They were pulling teeth out
of dead people. So then it starts escalating to he
meets this guy that's I believe a donation center for
like at an eyeball institute, and then he starts getting
(21:32):
the idea, you know what, these people are dead and
their organs can be pretty useful, so I'm gonna start
harvesting their organs. So he basically falsifies this organ donation program.
So like, technically he's not selling the organs, but these
facilities are receiving them, believing their organ donations, and then
he's billing them for the hours and making even more
(21:55):
money that way.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So he just had like a complete disconnectitan what he
was there, because you you want to think when you
go to the funeral home that they're like doing what's
in your best interest to help you be at peace
with your family member dying, and he was like completely
disassociated from it.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
He to this day thinks he did absolutely nothing wrong.
It's kind of mind blowing. Part of it is admirable
to live a life where you truly don't give a
shit about what I.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Was thinking, Like I was thinking like when you made
that comment, like what's the difference at ash. It's kind
of like, I mean, he kind of has a point,
like honestly, but like the difference is is that, like
I don't want ash from someone else's grandmam. I want mine,
And that that's the difference. Like I could never do
that because I would feel I would feel like too
(22:47):
romantic about it to do that. I'd feel terrible knowing that,
you know. But but like that's what I'm saying. He
has like that kind of a disconnect.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And yeah, like I do understand what he's saying, but
at the same time, like if you're getting ready and it's.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
True about like the eyeball whatever, like I mean, you know,
it's just, but you have to have you have to
have some kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
That's what's conflicting about it, because in some regard he
does have a point, but at the same time it's
like incredibly immoral. No it's not, it's not kol. Yeah,
So then it escalates to I guess another mortician was
questioning him when he started, you know, going from one
hundred and fifty bodies to thousands of them in the
short period of time with the facility he was running
(23:33):
in particular, so they say.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh, yeah, because you're doing the math, and you're just like, Okay,
if you ran this even every however long, you run
it times this many days, you still wouldn't be able
to do that many And then you got people that
are like haters too, like how's this guy baking all
this money? Like let me look into his setup and
see what he's doing, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, and by all it counts. This funeral home was
like this really in this family where this really large
part of the past Sadina community. They were really well trusted.
And his mother, Laurie Anne, that was running the funeral
home at the time this was all going down, was
this Everybody that they interviewed about her said she was
this angelic figure. She was this sweet older woman. She
(24:14):
had this air about her that was amazing, and she
was so genuine and nice. So she didn't know what
was happening, right, Well, I'll get there, okay. So this
one mortician starts like he you know, he thinks it's fishy,
what's going on. So David gets lunch with this guy
and then all of a sudden he dies like hours later.
(24:36):
So they do the autopsy and at first they think
that he died from a heart attack. But then later
when the employee, he gets caught in the employees and
all this information starts coming out. He had been bragging
in prison that he poisoned somebody with an oleander flower,
which is native to California. There's literally a picture of
this guy with his family in front of this bush
(24:56):
of this flower. So according to other in he was
bragging that he ground the flower down and then put
it in like an olive oil type of mixture, and
then put it on some guy spaghetti that died. So
then they go back and they autopsy the guy again,
or they take tissue from that they had taken from
the initial autopsy, and they test it and find this
flower present in the tissue. But then when they go
(25:18):
to charge him with murder, they had to exhume him
get more tissue, and then it wasn't present in that tissue.
So the forensic pathologists they're interviewing says, it doesn't necessarily
mean it's not there, it just could have broken down
over time. And then they flashed to an interview with
the guy and he's like, yeah, they told me it
was never there at all. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, He's just like completely out of his mind. He's
like disconnected.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But then you know, they go back to the parents
and it turns out she had some like note written
on her desk about how much remains would weigh for
a baby, a little kid, a woman, and a man,
because they were clearly just putting them on how much.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
They would just like scoop and like gives you the person. Yeah,
that's so, it's so messed up.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And then she I guess they were taking payments ahead
of time for funerals, so like if you wanted to
go now and pay for your funeral, so like I
wouldn't have to pay for it later. They would take
those up front. And then there's all these different regulations
when funeral homes do that. So then when she got
her yearly inspection or audit for doing that type of service,
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they found out she had ninety thousand dollars of like
unaccounted accounts and all this shit. But I have said
a lot obviously in this, but it really goes so
much deeper. This guy had a license plate that said
I burned for you. Wow. So he's out of jail.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
He's a very he's a very interesting character, Like he's
interviewed on this documentary or yeah, so this time, I
just am curious because I think that he's a scumbag,
but at the same time I want to know more.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
So that's like the That's why I think this document
Mary was so good, because you're talking about this really
horrific and serious thing, but this guy is so nuts
that you're like laughing watching it because you just can't
believe this person is being serious and really thinks nothing.
So this eventually led to all these new regulations in
the funeral industry. But it's definitely worth watching. If I
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didn't just spoil the entire thing, we'll be writing a
more in depth to section about it because it's it's
absolutely nuts. But speaking of funeral services, let's talk about
what happens to people who are buried in clothing.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
While we always talk about what happens to people when
they decompose, and we tell stories about like Maria was
just talking about funeral homes and things like that, but
we never really talk about the clothes that people are
buried in. And it's this is an interesting article because
it's talking about the rate of decomposition of certain fabrics
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and things like that, which fabric, Maria, if I said
it took two hundred years for it to break down,
what fabric would you think that would be?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I would think like some like formal wear or something.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So they said polyester takes two hundred years to break down,
whereas something like cotton one hundred percent cotton could break
down as quickly as a week to five months after
under the ground.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, I mean that makes sense because cotton's more organic,
and then polyester's pretty much is polyester all synthetic? Yeah,
so I believe so.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So yeah, So it's it's like it's just the fabric
itself breaking down over time. But then you have to
take into consideration that a person is breaking down to
and that there's a lot of body fluids and bacteria,
and that could also change how the fabric breaks down to.
One interesting thing they said was that nylon wastebands take
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ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's just really it's just really interesting. It's something you
don't think about. And they were just talking about how
different cultures like traditionally, like if let's say, for example,
someone in our family died, you usually would just go
in their closet and be like, oh, this would look
nice on them. Some people have an outfit set, a
side of what they want to wear, and I should
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think about that. Actually, even I don't know what you
guys are going to do with me, but I should
have one on backup and I will be laying down so.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It'll look it'll look different. I thought you wanted to
be cremated. I don't know. I don't have gatirals. Well
do you want to be cremated now? After here?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You could still you could still cremate and you could
still do a viewing and then cremate after. I don't
give a shit what you do. Honestly, I'm just saying though,
like they were saying. Some some religions have specific rules,
like Catholic is supposed to.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Be formal clothing.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I don't know if anybody really goes by this kind
of stuff anymore. As far as in Catholic, I'm sure
serious Catholic people do, but not like not our family.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
We're fakes fakes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But there's other I know with with Judaism, they do
certain things with like a plain white shroud. Sometimes certain
other religions do that as well, because they want you
to have like a symbionic relationship between the earth and
the person, so they don't want to have anything synthetic
or anything. So yeah, it's just an interesting thing to
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think about when you're getting ready to dress a dead person.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So after hearing the story of David Scott's, do you
still want to be cremated?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Well, he's not the only person in history that's ever
done this. There was that one that was this year
or last year that was happening too, I mean, and
then you have sometimes you have people doing these scams
where they're giving back the family like a bag of
cat litter or something like that, instead of actually giving them.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Where is the body? Like what happened here exactly? Well
remember that one place, I forget what it was called
the return to Nature.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, it was something like that that they had all
these bodies like stacked up and that they weren't cremated
at all, but the person had gotten back to creamins
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I think that guy just got sentenced last week, did you,
Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I saw that too, But yeah, so it's you just
have to try to go to a place that you trust,
and that's it. I mean, there's we've had stories on
here too about people that get buried in the ground
and the family shows up and it's the wrong body
at the funeral home. You know, like mistakes, genuinely mistakes
can happen just not paying attention, having the wrong body,
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and then also like malicious intentions like this where the
guy was intentionally doing this could happen too.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You just have to.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's like it's like going to the hospital. You just
have to trust that they're going to do a good
job and they have your best interest in mind. And
sometimes you look out and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That's life, right, Yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys
so much. Don't forget to grab tickets to the Atlanta
Meet and Greet or the Crime and Wine at the
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Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a great
show for you today. We're going to talk about the
new docuseries about the Idaho for an old story involving
Jane Mansfield's death and new information coming out about it,
so that's pretty interesting. We'll talk about the new mortician
show that Maria's all psyched about what happens to a
dead person after they are buried. We always talk about that,
(00:43):
but what happens to their clothing? We never really talked
about that, and that was a pretty interesting article.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And of course one of.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
The biggest stories is that we should talk about what
underwear is best to wear for a good vaginal health.
All that and more on today's episode. Let's start with
the Idaho for docuseries.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, so prime of the new docuseries coming out about
the Idaho murders on July eleventh. We will be at
our meet and greet in Atlanta that day if you
want to chat about it. But is this not problematic?
Wasn't the Dateline special a big deal because it was
compromising the case potentially, and now they have this docuseries
coming out a month before his trial is supposed to
go on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
They just can't they can't wait. You know, it's been
a long time, and this one's going to be different though,
And I think it's going to be really cool because
it's interviews with well not I don't know if cool
is the right word, but it's going to be very enlightening,
I guess to say, what is the perspective of the
family and friends that were involved with it? So usually
(01:46):
when we see like on the when we see the
dateline special, that's like forensic investigators and cops and all
of these people who are being interviewed. But for this
particular doctor series, it's like from a real life perspective
of life, like getting that phone call. But they do
have like people that were friends that showed up at
(02:06):
the house, because remember a bunch of their friends showed
up and when they didn't know what was going on
and just talking about it. But I do agree with
you because one of the girls, at least in the trailer,
she was like, we realized that we were being stalked,
And I was like I thought that that was like.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Like, that's that's not that's not.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
What's the word I'm looking for, Like, you can't just
say that, right because that hasn't been proven in a
court of law yet.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
This is what I'm talking about, Like, is it gonna
reveal evidence that's gonna hurt him having a fair trial,
meaning a fair trial for the victims to convict him. Yeah,
I mean we don't.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
We don't really care if he gets the fair true
what I'm talking about, Like, I mean you do though,
Like if it's because they're I mean, they've been trying
to tease with like there's another person and this and that,
and like I'm curious if there is more to the story. Honestly,
I don't know. I mean, I definitely think that there's
way too much against him, but just curious if anyone
(03:05):
else was potentially involved would be interesting. Although it's like
so many people are obsessed and interested with this case
that you feel like something else would have come out
about another person at this point, don't.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You think so? Like I just yeah, I mean, this
is one of the biggest trials going on right now.
You would think with all the flutes and everything, that
they would have information. I don't know. As the family,
I understand they want to get their story and their
experience out there. But if it's a matter of a
month of waiting, right, you should just want everything to
go through to get justice in your child's dead.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, imagine the prosecution probably like every single time they
hear something's coming out, they're probably like, oh god, you know,
because they don't want to ruin their case with him.
But I guess if they feel so confident about it,
then they shouldn't really care.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, not for nothing. But this article was also talking
about emotion that his defense lawyer pointed out, and about
his alibi saying he was driving by himself so he
couldn't have done it. And I'm like, if this is
the way this case is going, it's not looking very good.
Like the defense is very good.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I don't think it looks very good for him either,
but you never know, like what's gonna come out. So
I yeah, we haven't even written about this in the
gross room yet because I I mean, obviously, like we
talk about death and stuff all the time, but the
main focus, especially of the gross room is like the
autopsy and the pathology and the scene investigation and stuff,
and I just don't think that enough information has been
(04:37):
released yet. I mean we know that they had sharp wounds,
and we know that some of them were gouged. Then
we hear in this new thing that Ethan had carvings
in his body. So it's just like there's going to
be like a lot more details that comes out with
this trial starting in August to just like bear with
us a couple more months, and we're definitely going to
(04:58):
write it up once more information comes out.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah. So also next week a documentary is coming out
about Jane Mansfield and that set the premiere on HBO. So,
as we know from pop culture, Jane Mansfield died in
this horrific car accident. But I didn't really realize that
the kids were in the car at the time of
the accident. So all three adults that were in the
car were sitting in the front seat because of course
this is when we had like bench front seats and
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it was definitely not safe at all. They all died
as a result of the accident, but the three kids
were in the back. They were found unconscious and three
year old Marishka Hargatee, who was her daughter, was initially
left at the scene because she was so small that
they did not realize she was wedged under a seat.
That is so outrageous to me. Yeah, so one of
her brothers, so her two brothers who were also in
(05:44):
the car were six and eight years old. One of
the kids woke up and was like at the time,
she was going by the name Maria. So they said,
where's Maria And then they were like, oh my god,
and they went back and found her. That's so sloppy, honestly,
it is.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I mean, listen, like I understand that this was a
long time ago, but you still there was still this
is like an amateur hour mistake. This doesn't you know,
like when you look at seeing investigations and crime scenes
and toxicology and all this, you'll say, Okay, there's been
so many exam advances since the nineteen sixties, but like
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this is just like using your eyeballs. It hasn't changed
in thousands of years.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
You know. It's just you see a whole three year old.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Like and like, think about the repercussions of that being
Jane Mansfield's kid. I mean, it's but this is what happens.
It's like they got so tripped up because it was
Jane Mansfield that they probably didn't follow proper procedure.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Well exactly, So that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And we see that with every every single we Actually,
so I wrote a celebrity death dissection on this before
you even started working for me, back in like twenty
twenty one, right, So, which is it's a really good one. Actually,
there's a lot of scene photographs and stuff like that
we should add that we should add this into that
(07:07):
dissection because this is like, it is kind of like
a breaking news even though the case is so old.
It's just it's it's really interesting and shows like sloppy
police work.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Well, it is interesting, and I wonder if any of
the kids have suffered any like lifelong issues from being
in this car accident. I mean it could have. It
could very well have been public knowledge that this was
a thing. But I've definitely never heard this part before,
let alone her being buffed in at the scene.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
He had She had five kids, and three of them
were in the car, so I don't know why the
other two weren't with them.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
But another thing.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
That's coming out of this documentary is that she found
out that that he's not even her dad.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, Hargeta is not her dad. So I think this
is going to be really interesting. I feel like I
don't know that much about Marishka Hargatea. But besides the
fact that she's you know, TV Royal TV on Law
and Order all this time, she's she's like one of
these actresses, cause you know that there's.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Like the Blake livelies that like most people can't stand
and all this stuff. She's just like nobody. Have you
ever said heard anybody say they don't like her?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
She starts Anybody on Law and Order people negative exactly.
Like it's like she stars in like a really cool role.
So she's like a cool person, Like she seems cool
just because of her role. It's been on forever. Everyone
knows who she is. Nobody says like, oh, Law and
Orders is this or that? Like most people are like, yeah,
(08:39):
it's good, Like I don't sit down and watch it,
but whenever it's on, it's good, you know what I mean,
Like I like it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It's it's done well and well it's this huge show
in the culture. I mean, I actually think it's really cool.
So our boss, Elvis Durand actually was a dead body
on one of Oh yeah, yeah, he thought it'd be
cool to do it, and it it.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Is that was really cool. He showed me the picture.
He was so excited. He's like, does this look real?
And I'm like, it's this iconic show. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I mean there's been you know, even from down to
the credits. Executive producer Dick Wolfe. I mean, everybody knows
every single element of this show. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So, and they play the at the Phillies game, they
play the like the gavel going down.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, they played the theme song for when they introduced
the Umpires. Yeah. So, I don't know, it's kind of
cool to be in some regards the daughter of such
a famous person and such a famous person yourself, but
there is not that much information about your personal life
out there, especially today.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, And I think a lot of people don't unless
like pop Off, for example, always knew her last name
and who she was. But like a lot of people
that are younger that weren't around for the whole Jane
Mansfield thing, they might not know automatically that her last
name being associated with with Jane's Mann's, you know what
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I mean. Like, so, I think that she really established
herself as as an actress and has and and it's
cool too that she didn't try to do exactly what
her mom did, Like she she's like doing you know
what I mean. She she comes off as like a
very serious actress that that is like professional, and her
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mom was Her mom was more of like the haughty,
like bombshell type, you know.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But I think this documentary is even trying to break
that imagery that she was only this bomb.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So yeah, well, because she she she seemed to have
been pretty intelligent of a person. But the problem is
is that when you look like that, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
What people assume, you know what I mean. And she
was in her mid thirties when she died, so it's
like she was very young, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
And she had five kids when she was in her
when she was in her early thirties, Like that's not
right there.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Scene this episode is brought to you by the Grossroom. Guys.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Like we said in the grocerroom, we have a celebrity
death dissection on Jane's Manfield. This is like a really
good one and it talks about the Mansfield bar, which
is something that you see on the back of trucks
all the time now. So a lot of that had
to do with this particular accident, mostly because when the
crash happened, their car went underneath of a truck and
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essentially like decapitated the top of the car. And it
was good that the little kids were in the back
laying down because that's what saved their life. But when
the police came to the scene, they actually thought that
the car was a convertible. Like that's how much the
car was destroyed. Yeah, So it's really interesting going through
that whole case, and just these retro cases are just
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kind of fun to read about from a forensic perspective.
What else are we doing. We have the part two
of the Buy for Dolphin high profile death dis section
that we did, and this one is like super good
because it as all of the.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well that's coming up on Monday. That's gonna oh that's
coming up on Monday.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, but we did so this week we did all
of the you know, the history behind the accident and
all of this stuff. And then in the next one,
which is coming up on Monday, we're going to talk
about the autopsies and like what happens to a person
when they are in a situation where they get decompression
sickness and they explode and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And what does that body look like? So it's really interesting.
Check it out. Head over to the gross room dot com.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Now, all right, so this is the burning question everyone has,
what underwear? What kind of underwear do you wear?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well, my takeaway is that granny panties are pretty good.
Joys cotton granny panties. No, So they interviewed a medical
advisor for Winks Health, which is a woman's health company
focused on sexual and aagial health, and this person was
saying that for every day, you should wear simple, soft
cotton underwear. That's the healthiest choice between briefs boys, it's
(13:00):
or even high waisted cuts aka granny panties. Though you
love that granny panties have been rebranded as high waisted
cut I know. But they also suggest free from harsh diees,
synthetic fragrances, or chemical finishes. And then they're saying, you know,
the worst kinds of underwear to wear are thongs, g strings,
(13:20):
and synthetic lace because they can be irritating and too
tight and cause a lot of irritation. Yeah, and really
the grossest part of so what kind like, what kind
do you wear? Granny panties? I don't really wear underwear
that much.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I do.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Like if I go to bad whatever, you could say
it's ill.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But like the more the closer you have stuff there
is like that's where the problem comes. So if you
have like a breathable thing, that's fine, but I'd rather
just air out like a little bit more. It's just
my preference.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I primarily wear cotton, but I also wear a lot
of silky ones, So I'm gonna say those are probably
not great because they're synthetic.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No, they're not, because they could. They're saying it allows
the skin to breathe. I don't know if the skin
technically breathes, but it allows you know, air circulation, because
the moisture is what causes yeast to grow and bacteria.
But the grossest one they say to wear is a thong,
And it does make sense because the thong is in
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your ass crack and it's like rubbing against your hole.
And they're like, it doesn't matter if you're the cleanest
person in the world, Like, there could be bacteria there
and there could especially be equal eye there, and then
if you walk around then you sweat, that could mix
with the sweat and drip down into your urethra or
your vagina and give you a yeast. In fact, she
(14:41):
could go into your urethra and give you a urinary
track infection. So like it does make sense. That's why
I don't like. I just feel like I'm too sensitive
down there, Like I just don't like to have anything
near there because I'm too sensitive.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But can't you argue that not wearing any underwear at
all also leaves you open be too get be exposed
to something else instead of protecting it. But like what
like a bacteria or something, or in the very first
episode of this podcast, maybe a bug crawling up there. Yeah,
(15:16):
I suppose that that could happen, and it doesn't happen
often though, I'm sure so I don't. I don't think so,
Like I just think, wait, just think about like if
you it's like it's like wearing a mask on your
face kind of like they get gross after a while.
I don't know. I just think it's like better to
just like air it out. Listen. One of the perks
(15:36):
of marriage is that I don't got to impress anybody
no more. So now I could just wear ugly ass
granny panties off. That's a terrible attitude to have. I'm
half joking, but no, but yeah, I'm gonna stick with
wearing my grandma underwear and then you're good with the cotton.
(15:56):
I'm good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Songs are like I guess they were saying good once
and like I couldn't do that because that's another thing too.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
For me.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
That's another thing too, Like I can't stand the line
like seeing the lines on your ass from the from underwear,
you know what I mean? Yeah, And like songs are
like no, So it's just like easier to just not
wear any It's like I have I don't have a
nice spot. So with the lines showing too, it just
makes it look worse.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Like trust me cares. I don't know if you see
my panty lines, just don't put about it. I just
don't need to know. Okay, let's move on to the
Mortician show. So we got a lot of messages asking
us to cover this show. I don't think I'm gonna
go into that much detail because I really would like
to do a dissection on this story because it gets
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kind of nuts. But you didn't watch a show, so
I'll just give you a basic rundown of what happens.
There was this family funeral home in Pasadena, California, called
the Lamb Funeral Home, and like most funeral homes, it
was run by families for a more ultigeneration. Oh you
know what I wanted to tell you about that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Actually what I used to work with a guy that
did autopsies when I first started out a really long
time ago, and his family owned a funeral home and
that was their last name, Lamb.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Uh huh, I isn't that weird. I mean, this is
in Philly, but I'm in Huntington Valley because when I
googled it, that's that one case it.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Could it could be possibly. I mean he said, the
guy's dead, but I don't know if he had like
kids or whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Well, this was the former Lamb Funeral Home of Fasadena,
California we're referencing in this story. So by the eighties,
this woman Laurie and Lamb scnce, so she was like
the next generation taking over. At that point, her and
her husband were running the funeral home and their son,
David Sconce was running the crematory for them. So by
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this point they have a really small crematory and they
were only doing like one to two hundred bodies a
year of services. So then David figures out at some
point that he could charge less than their competitors and
do more cremations if he starts burning multiple bodies at
a time instead of one at a time. Real good idea.
(18:09):
So you'll ever figure it out. Yeah, So in most cases,
you would assume if you're gonna do something extremely immoral
like this, that you're gonna like slowly ease into it. No,
by the next year, they no.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
One ever does. All these stories we talk about, it's
always like this immediate reed and you're like, why would
you ever think that you weren't get caught doing this?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
You're not even gonna believe how this story escalates. So
the cremations is like part one of multi parts of
the story. So by the following year of him doing
this multibody cremation, they go from like one hundred and
fifty to two thousand, and then by the year after
that they're at four thousand, and then by nineteen eighty
(18:50):
seven they're doing twenty five thousand bodies a year. Nothing
to see there so and raise any alarms at all.
So of course, like they're going through this, so I'm
gonna go kind of out of order from the documentary.
But they had this crematory. They were doing up to
fifty bodies at a time. They even had a contest
between employees to see how many people they could fit
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in one oven at one time, and then they would
just scoop out whatever they could send it off to
the families, which they interview this man, by the way,
who's out of prison, and he still justifies it, saying,
what's the difference, it's all ash anyway. Wow. So he's
totally not apologetic for anything to do. So at some
point they are small crematory crematorium I'm probably saying it wrong,
(19:36):
and everybody's mad burns down. So this guy creates a
fake ceramics company, rents a warehouse in the middle of
the desert, builds this giant oven, and then they start
burning two hundred bodies at a time. You will never
believe how they get caught. Somebody that lived nearby was
a person that liberated Auschwitz, the concentration camp, and reckon
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the smell of burning flesh while and called on them. Wow. Yeah,
so that's how they get caught.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It has a very specific smell, like it smells like
burnt hair. Yes, it's a very it's a very like
when you smell that smell, you're like, it's not just
burnt me or whatever. You're like, no, it smells like
it smells like human hair burning. It's it's that's what
the smell is. It's distinct, and that's amazing that that
guy recognized that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, So at this facility they go in and then
there's just literally like fat residue from the bodies, sticky
all over the floor. Oh my god. And there's so
they were there in the middle of one of the burns.
So these people arrive there and they open, like the
cops get there and open the oven and there's all
these human remains in there, partially burned, so some of
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them still have flesh on them. So this is how
they they start getting caught, right, and then it just
turns out it's even worse. So then they're interviewing employees
and everything who said it's so point before they would
burn the bodies, David sconce told them to take the
gold and silver fillings out of the deceased people because
why not scrap it and make money. So they were
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making extra money doing that, and then they were pulling
teeth out of dead people. They were pulling teeth out
of dead people. So then it starts escalating to he
meets this guy that's I believe a donation center for
like at an eyeball institute, and then he starts getting
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the idea, you know what, these people are dead and
their organs can be pretty useful, so I'm gonna start
harvesting their organs. So he basically falsifies this organ donation program.
So like, technically he's not selling the organs, but these
facilities are receiving them, believing their organ donations, and then
he's billing them for the hours and making even more
(21:55):
money that way.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
So he just had like a complete disconnectitan what he
was there, because you you want to think when you
go to the funeral home that they're like doing what's
in your best interest to help you be at peace
with your family member dying, and he was like completely
disassociated from it.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
He to this day thinks he did absolutely nothing wrong.
It's kind of mind blowing. Part of it is admirable
to live a life where you truly don't give a
shit about what I.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Was thinking, Like I was thinking like when you made
that comment, like what's the difference at ash. It's kind
of like, I mean, he kind of has a point,
like honestly, but like the difference is is that, like
I don't want ash from someone else's grandmam. I want mine,
And that that's the difference. Like I could never do
that because I would feel I would feel like too
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romantic about it to do that. I'd feel terrible knowing that,
you know. But but like that's what I'm saying. He
has like that kind of a disconnect.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And yeah, like I do understand what he's saying, but
at the same time, like if you're getting ready and it's.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
True about like the eyeball whatever, like I mean, you know,
it's just, but you have to have you have to
have some kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
That's what's conflicting about it, because in some regard he
does have a point, but at the same time it's
like incredibly immoral. No it's not, it's not kol. Yeah,
So then it escalates to I guess another mortician was
questioning him when he started, you know, going from one
hundred and fifty bodies to thousands of them in the
short period of time with the facility he was running
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in particular, so they say.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh, yeah, because you're doing the math, and you're just like, Okay,
if you ran this even every however long, you run
it times this many days, you still wouldn't be able
to do that many And then you got people that
are like haters too, like how's this guy baking all
this money? Like let me look into his setup and
see what he's doing, you know.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, and by all it counts. This funeral home was
like this really in this family where this really large
part of the past Sadina community. They were really well trusted.
And his mother, Laurie Anne, that was running the funeral
home at the time this was all going down, was
this Everybody that they interviewed about her said she was
this angelic figure. She was this sweet older woman. She
(24:14):
had this air about her that was amazing, and she
was so genuine and nice. So she didn't know what
was happening, right, Well, I'll get there, okay. So this
one mortician starts like he you know, he thinks it's fishy,
what's going on. So David gets lunch with this guy
and then all of a sudden he dies like hours later.
(24:36):
So they do the autopsy and at first they think
that he died from a heart attack. But then later
when the employee, he gets caught in the employees and
all this information starts coming out. He had been bragging
in prison that he poisoned somebody with an oleander flower,
which is native to California. There's literally a picture of
this guy with his family in front of this bush
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of this flower. So according to other in he was
bragging that he ground the flower down and then put
it in like an olive oil type of mixture, and
then put it on some guy spaghetti that died. So
then they go back and they autopsy the guy again,
or they take tissue from that they had taken from
the initial autopsy, and they test it and find this
flower present in the tissue. But then when they go
(25:18):
to charge him with murder, they had to exhume him
get more tissue, and then it wasn't present in that tissue.
So the forensic pathologists they're interviewing says, it doesn't necessarily
mean it's not there, it just could have broken down
over time. And then they flashed to an interview with
the guy and he's like, yeah, they told me it
was never there at all. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, He's just like completely out of his mind. He's
like disconnected.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But then you know, they go back to the parents
and it turns out she had some like note written
on her desk about how much remains would weigh for
a baby, a little kid, a woman, and a man,
because they were clearly just putting them on how much.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
They would just like scoop and like gives you the person. Yeah,
that's so, it's so messed up.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And then she I guess they were taking payments ahead
of time for funerals, so like if you wanted to
go now and pay for your funeral, so like I
wouldn't have to pay for it later. They would take
those up front. And then there's all these different regulations
when funeral homes do that. So then when she got
her yearly inspection or audit for doing that type of service,
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they found out she had ninety thousand dollars of like
unaccounted accounts and all this shit. But I have said
a lot obviously in this, but it really goes so
much deeper. This guy had a license plate that said
I burned for you. Wow. So he's out of jail.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
He's a very he's a very interesting character, Like he's
interviewed on this documentary or yeah, so this time, I
just am curious because I think that he's a scumbag,
but at the same time I want to know more.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
So that's like the That's why I think this document
Mary was so good, because you're talking about this really
horrific and serious thing, but this guy is so nuts
that you're like laughing watching it because you just can't
believe this person is being serious and really thinks nothing.
So this eventually led to all these new regulations in
the funeral industry. But it's definitely worth watching. If I
(27:21):
didn't just spoil the entire thing, we'll be writing a
more in depth to section about it because it's it's
absolutely nuts. But speaking of funeral services, let's talk about
what happens to people who are buried in clothing.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
While we always talk about what happens to people when
they decompose, and we tell stories about like Maria was
just talking about funeral homes and things like that, but
we never really talk about the clothes that people are
buried in. And it's this is an interesting article because
it's talking about the rate of decomposition of certain fabrics
(27:57):
and things like that, which fabric, Maria, if I said
it took two hundred years for it to break down,
what fabric would you think that would be?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I would think like some like formal wear or something.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
So they said polyester takes two hundred years to break down,
whereas something like cotton one hundred percent cotton could break
down as quickly as a week to five months after
under the ground.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, I mean that makes sense because cotton's more organic,
and then polyester's pretty much is polyester all synthetic? Yeah,
so I believe so.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So yeah, So it's it's like it's just the fabric
itself breaking down over time. But then you have to
take into consideration that a person is breaking down to
and that there's a lot of body fluids and bacteria,
and that could also change how the fabric breaks down to.
One interesting thing they said was that nylon wastebands take
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ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's just really it's just really interesting. It's something you
don't think about. And they were just talking about how
different cultures like traditionally, like if let's say, for example,
someone in our family died, you usually would just go
in their closet and be like, oh, this would look
nice on them. Some people have an outfit set, a
side of what they want to wear, and I should
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think about that. Actually, even I don't know what you
guys are going to do with me, but I should
have one on backup and I will be laying down so.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
It'll look it'll look different. I thought you wanted to
be cremated. I don't know. I don't have gatirals. Well
do you want to be cremated now? After here?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You could still you could still cremate and you could
still do a viewing and then cremate after. I don't
give a shit what you do. Honestly, I'm just saying though,
like they were saying. Some some religions have specific rules,
like Catholic is supposed to.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Be formal clothing.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I don't know if anybody really goes by this kind
of stuff anymore. As far as in Catholic, I'm sure
serious Catholic people do, but not like not our family.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
We're fakes fakes.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
But there's other I know with with Judaism, they do
certain things with like a plain white shroud. Sometimes certain
other religions do that as well, because they want you
to have like a symbionic relationship between the earth and
the person, so they don't want to have anything synthetic
or anything. So yeah, it's just an interesting thing to
(30:27):
think about when you're getting ready to dress a dead person.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So after hearing the story of David Scott's, do you
still want to be cremated?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Well, he's not the only person in history that's ever
done this. There was that one that was this year
or last year that was happening too, I mean, and
then you have sometimes you have people doing these scams
where they're giving back the family like a bag of
cat litter or something like that, instead of actually giving them.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Where is the body? Like what happened here exactly? Well
remember that one place, I forget what it was called
the return to Nature.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, it was something like that that they had all
these bodies like stacked up and that they weren't cremated
at all, but the person had gotten back to creamins
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
I think that guy just got sentenced last week, did you,
Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I saw that too, But yeah, so it's you just
have to try to go to a place that you trust,
and that's it. I mean, there's we've had stories on
here too about people that get buried in the ground
and the family shows up and it's the wrong body
at the funeral home. You know, like mistakes, genuinely mistakes
can happen just not paying attention, having the wrong body,
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and then also like malicious intentions like this where the
guy was intentionally doing this could happen too.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You just have to.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It's like it's like going to the hospital. You just
have to trust that they're going to do a good
job and they have your best interest in mind. And
sometimes you look out and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
That's life, right, Yeah, all right, Well, thank you guys
so much. Don't forget to grab tickets to the Atlanta
Meet and Greet or the Crime and Wine at the
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Thank you for listening to mother nos Death. As a reminder,
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master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
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on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
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that science is changing every day, and the opinions expressed
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