Influencer Pretends to Be Dead Twin, Designer Dies in Freak Cave Accident, Exploding Vapes, Falling Bear Kills Hunter, Gym Chlamydia, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have to tell
you the funniest story ever. So this weekend we had
my dad's side of the family annual Christmas party that
we have every year and we look forward to it,
and we have lots of cousins and aunts and uncles
that are listeners. So high and hey, guys, hey, let's
think of who specifically came up to us. Andrea and

(00:44):
Al and Jimmy and of course Geena Revernet Alle Natalie.
So yeah, we definitely have a bunch of our family
members who are listeners. But so my dad comes up
to me at the party and he goes, hey, I
finally listened to your X Rated podcast. And I was like, so,

(01:06):
this is hilarious because we've been doing this podcast for
over a year. My dad's never listened to it. Like
we've said before, he probably doesn't even know what a
podcast is. But this party is almost an hour away
for us to drive, so my mom probably put it
on while they were driving there and like forced them
to listen to it. But I was like, X rated
And then so I go up to my mom and

(01:26):
I'm like, what's daddy talking about? He said, he what's
X rated about the podcast? And here he was listening
to the part where we were talking about whole talks
and dudes that get botox in their asshole to make
anal sex more comfortable. So I thought that that was
like a great first introduction for my dad to listen

(01:46):
to the show. So of course it's the first episode
he's ever listened to, the one where we because he's
like a really old school Italian guy, so just hearing
like anybody talks so openly about sexual things, let alone
his daughter and granddaughter, which is probably such a shock
to the system. And my mom listens to every episode

(02:07):
and I think she does thinks for being funny, but
he was probably so more to less prude than he is,
so I just think it's it is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
He just kept giving me this look across the room
like it's probably mortified, but whatever. All right, let's get
into the story of the day, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
So last week in Virginia, there was this group of
people hunting. They came across a bear. It seems like
from the report that they had scared the bear to
the point where the bear climbed up a tree, and
then while the bear was up there, one of the
hunters shot at it. So the problem in this whole
situation lies with the fact that all the guys were
not necessarily clear of the surrounding area of the bottom

(02:49):
of the tree, and as the bear fell out, it
hit one of the guys on the ground and gave
him serious injuries that later caused his death. Jesus Christ,
but that's like some karma shit right there. For real,
it is pretty crazy. I don't know. I looked up
how heavy bears are, because I you could tell they're

(03:10):
heavier creatures, but I was like pretty shocked. So in
Virginia they have black bears, which I think are considered
some of the smaller bears we have in this country,
but they can range. The male black bears can range
from two hundred and eighty to eleven hundred pounds, and
then females can range from two hundred to six hundred
and sixty pounds. So imagine if this was a full

(03:30):
fledged adult bear, how heavy that would be. Yeah, And
it probably was because you're not allowed to shoot ones
under a certain size, right, So it probably was a
bigger bear. And yeah, just imagine a two hundred to
six hundred even more pound weight falling from a tree
and landing on a person. So I'm actually surprised that

(03:50):
guy didn't die on impact, but you don't know exactly
what angle it hit him at. Apparently he was still alive.
And this is the interesting thing that at the scene
they said that he was in I don't even think
they said that he was in serious condition, right, And
they say that he was in he was stable at
the scene, and they brought him to the hospital and

(04:11):
then he later died from his injuries. So I'm wondering
if he had some kind of a brain bleed or
something that they weren't able to either identify right away
when they thought that he was fine, because you hear
that happened to like remember we did the celebrity death
dissection on the Tacha Richardson. She was the mom from
the parent Trap. Yeah, and she had hit her head

(04:34):
while skiing and she told the instructor that she was fine,
and she was able to get up and go back
to her room and she seemed fine, and then all
of a sudden, you know, she died. So that could happen.
You don't always have to necessarily die right away from
a blunt injury like that, So that's more than likely
what happened with this guy. But imagine, imagine you being

(04:59):
the their hunter that shot the bear, and it was
kind of your fault that this bear fell on top
of your friend. Yeah. I mean, I feel like we
hear about hunting accidents a lot, but I've never quite
heard of this. I don't think a lot of people
know that bears can so easily climb up trees. And
then I was, of course going to YouTube to watch

(05:20):
videos of bears following out of trees, and there are
a lot, there's a lot of footage of it, and
it's just this gigantic thump when they hit the ground.
So I can't even imagine that falling on a person. Yeah,
I can't either. So this guy leaves behind five kids,
eight grandkids, a wife. It's really sad. I just think
this is some like crazy freak thing that I don't

(05:41):
think most hunters are thinking about things. I mean, they
intentionally shot it out of the tree, but I don't
think they realized, oh what they think it was gonna happen?
What did they think was going to happen, like it
was just going to stay up there, because I mean,
you're shooting it because you want to keep the trophy, right,
So they had to assume it was going to fall.
Just maybe I don't know, like maybe the one guy

(06:04):
wasn't paying attention or whatever, because I think they said
he was only tendy ten feet from the tree, which
is like not that f far, not far at all, right,
So I don't know. Okay, celebrity news. All right, So
in Barcelona, this fashion designer, his name's Isaac Andick. Do
you know the brand Mango? Yeah? I do, so they

(06:25):
have really cute stuff. He founded this brand in the eighties.
He was hiking on this popular tourist area with his family.
I guess at some point during the hike they approached
these caves that are really beautiful. You know. They said,
a lot of tourists go to this area. It's not
uncommon somebody would be hiking there. So at some point,
while I was four in the caves, he fell down

(06:47):
a ravine which was about five hundred feet or one
hundred and fifty meters, and he had to be you know,
they couldn't find him at first, A family had to
call nine War one a helicopter and a special rescue
crew had to come, and unfortunately, by the time they
got down there, he was dead. Yeah, do you want
to hear something really nuts? So right before I saw
this story in the news. So we're traveling to out

(07:11):
West later this year and my friend Paul lives out there,
and he sent me a picture of some cave that
has a ladder in it that's like one hundred years old,
and he's like, Hey, are you guys interested in going
in this hike? I want to find this cave that
has this hundred year old ladder that you can climb
down and go into this cave. And he sends me

(07:32):
the picture of it, and I'm looking at it like, yeah, okay,
that sounds like a really good idea that we're going
to be like in the middle of the desert with
no cell service and we're going to stand on this
ladder and it's gonna break and we're gonna be stuck
in a cave.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
But then I said, you know, well, Gabe might want
to do that with you actually, because it sounds right
up Gabe's alley, right. But then as soon as I
read that this story came up, and I just thought
that that was just like a sign that we definitely
should go nowhere near that with Paul. But yeah, he
felt so how far did he fall? You said, over?

(08:05):
It's the article I was referencing sat one hundred and
fifty meters, which when I converted it said it was
around five hundred feet deep. Yeah, that's consistent with a
fall from a fifty story building anywhere, depending because I
think I read that it was one hundred meters, but regardless,
it's anywhere from like a thirty to fifty story building.
So that's think about that like a huge high rise

(08:27):
in New York City and falling to the ground like
it's it's those injuries are going to be significant. I'm
surprised that they were able to even get his body
down that far, like that must have just been a
lot in itself to be able to get down there
to get him. Oh yeah, and he was seventy one
years old, like I. You know, the people we know
in our life that are in their seventies would never

(08:49):
dare even leave the house to go on a walk
around the block, let alone go hiking in caves with
their family. So I thought that was kind of cool
that he was going out and having this day with
his family, but obviously it had the worst possible ending. Yeah,
So when you fall from a height of that high,
you sometimes with the bodies at all tops, so you
see specific injuries that happen depending on how the person lands.

(09:12):
So we were talking about with Liam Payne. He fell
from only a third floor balcony, right, so he wasn't
that far. But remember we were saying that he didn't
have any injuries that were consistent with him being awake
and alert and trying to brace his fall in any way,
because a lot of times you'll see injuries like broken
bones on the feet. Sometimes the ankle bone will pop

(09:35):
right through the skin because people are trying to land
on their feet or trying to brace their fall with
their hands. But sometimes in these cases, you know, when
you're falling that fast and the forest is just so fast,
you really don't have any control over how you're going
to land and stuff, and if you do land on
your feet or your butt, it could cause something in
your skull called a ring fracture, and that's just from

(09:57):
the impact of the bottom of your spine. Basically just
like pushing up into your skull, so at the base
of the skull it causes a fracture that's like a
ring or a circle, and those particular injuries are almost
always consistent with an instant death. Is there is there
a height in which you could maybe like pass out

(10:19):
mid air if you're falling from a certain height, I don't.
I don't know. That would all be specific on the individual,
if they have some kind of a reaction like that.
But it's just it's so fast, honestly, I don't. I
don't really know if if that's a thing that happens.
It just like I can't there's you know, there's a
couple ways of dying that just seem really horrible, and

(10:42):
just falling for that long because it goes by quickly, right,
but it's like kind of too long where you know
what's happening, Yeah, I mean, and just think about that
being the last couple seconds of your life. It's just
like such a scary feeling to I don't know. I'm
really afraid of so just I'm like so afraid of heights,

(11:03):
Like if I'm at the mall and I look over
the edge of the of the banister, like I don't
like that feeling. It like it gives me like a
scared feeling. I just don't like heights at all. So
for someone like me just thinking about having that feeling
so intense, you know. I remember years ago I took
this elevator which was at the Sears Tower in Chicago.

(11:25):
I don't think it's called I don't even know if
it's called that anymore, but it took you all the
way to the top and you could kind of just
like look out the window outside, and just just being
up that high and looking outside of a window, knowing
you're protected in a building just like scares me, you
know what I mean. So I would never even be
doing anything like this, like going with Paul in a cave.

(11:47):
Heights don't really bother me like that. Something interesting is
when I was in Lake Placid a couple of weeks ago.
It was snowing pretty bad the whole time, and there
was a lot of people pulled over going on hiking trails,
and I can't I could not possibly wrap my head
around going hiking at all, mostly because I'm lazy, but
also just you know, hiking with all that ice and snow.

(12:09):
And then my husband was saying something that apparently going
hiking on certain trails could be easier with ice because
it's easier to grip certain rocks and it smooths them
over or something which makes these avid hikers want to
go out and do it more. I just could never
do something like that. I'm into hiking just as long
as there's protections, you know. Yeah, I'm just wondering in

(12:32):
this case, because this accident happened recently. I feel like
Barcelona has kind of similar weather to us, so I'm
wondering if it was icy conditions or if it was
a nice, regular day out. So this brand, Mango, I
had never I mean, I guess it's a huge deal.
Did it Has it been here forever too? Because I
just came across it recently, like a year or two ago,

(12:56):
and I was like, Oh, all these clothes are cute.
I never heard of this brand. I don't, like, have
you heard of it? And I've just been totally checked
out this whole time. I think you've been checked out.
I don't want to say it's been in the US forever.
It was founded in the eighties in Spain by this guy.
I've been aware of it for quite some time because
I've always thought their clothes were really cute, but I

(13:17):
feel like they used to sell it. Maybe I don't know.
I feel like it used to be at like a
couple of department stores near US. Yeah, I don't know
they stores. Okay, all right, what's so? The next story
is is a good one. So el and John was
named Time Magazine's Icon of the Year. So during his interview,
he was talking about his career and his overall struggles

(13:40):
with addiction at the peak of his career, and he
basically ended the interview saying that legalizing marijuana in America
and Canada is one of the greatest mistakes of all time.
What do you think about that? When you know? This
whole interview he was talking about how he was introduced
to cocaine and got addicted in that, you know, made

(14:01):
him try other drugs and everything, And he went on
in the interview to talk about how marijuana is definitely
a gateway drug in his opinion, being a former drug addict.
I thought that was an interesting take from somebody that
was a drug addict. They also asked him about if
he felt the same way about alcohol. I thought it
was interesting that they said he turned to his husband
to answer on his behalf, and they kind of just

(14:23):
were like, while it is socially acceptable, you know, it's
still kind of this problem people are refusing to acknowledge.
I see it the same way as alcohol in a way,
you know, what makes weed worse than drinking It both
changes how your brain is feeling and can alter your
state of mind. So I back in the day, I

(14:46):
used to smoke a lot of weed, and I used
to be like, yeah, legalized weed, blah blah blah blah blah.
And then when I really started thinking about it, especially
when I stopped using it, I definitely could I agree
with him one hundred percent. And I think if you
talk to a lot of people who used to use
marijuana heavily that have stopped, most of these people would

(15:09):
say that they've seen an increase of productivity in their
life as well as an increase in their quality of life,
and just they could agree with what he is saying that.
You know, they always try to push this thing that weeds,
like this natural thing that grows in the ground and
it's not addictive and it's not harmful and this and that,

(15:30):
and in my opinion and personal experience and also professional experience,
I find that that is completely false. I think that
it shouldn't be legal because I look at like the
reasons that I think that, Like, I don't give a
shit if people use weed and want to use weed.
But the thing is is that when the US government

(15:51):
says that weed is legal, you're telling people that it's okay.
It's not that bad. Because if the US government says
it's okay, then it can't be that bad. That's what
people think, But that's not the truth. It's the same
with alcohol, it's the same with cigarettes. And the government

(16:12):
only legalized it not because they care that you can
get it. It's you know, safer whatever they get. They
realize that they can make a shit ton of money
off of it, so they don't They don't care that
they're just introducing this to a whole bunch of other people,
like people like you, for example, like super rule follower
people whishers, a ton of you in the world. Right,

(16:34):
you might be more scared to ever try doing marijuana
or having it daily because you would be like, well,
it's illegal and if somebody smells it coming out of
my house, I'll get arrested or you know, all this
stuff and that would kind of deter you from using it.
But now that it is legal, people just and clearly

(16:54):
we can tell what's happened because and maybe that's just
because it's legal in my state, but I think it's
pretty much legal in most areas of the country at
this point, right. No, I mean it's legal, it's recreationally legal,
medically legal in a bunch of states, but it's not
recreationally legal in most states. Well whatever, wherever we are

(17:15):
in New Jersey and Philadelphia, it's like you just smell
weed wherever you're at at all times, and people are
just smoking it outside as if it was a cigarette,
and it's the use of it and the openness of
it is definitely way up from then when I was younger,
I'll say. So, there are health risks associated with marijuana,

(17:38):
including like there's an increased risk of having psychosis, and
you could have all of these different kinds of mental
health aspects of it, especially if you have underlying depression
or schizophrena or something. It could really make those conditions worse.
But there's also problems and we're going to talk about
that in another article we have talking about vaping a

(17:59):
lot a little bit later. But there's health problems that
are associated with and they even have done studies that
say that the burning of the marijuana could lead to
cancer in patients. And so I think that you're going
to see a lot of this over time. And I
know that marijuana has been around for a long time.

(18:20):
But back in the day, if you went to the
doctor in the eighties and the nineties and they say
do you use recreational drugs, every single person puts no,
because why would you put that in writing if they
were illegal? Right, So all of these statistics of people
like getting cancer later in life and stuff and all
that that, how do you know that marijuana didn't give
people cancer because nobody used to admit to it because

(18:42):
it was illegal. So now you could say that about
one hundred other things. Yeah, but I'm telling you right now,
like this is going to be like and I want
you to go back ten years ago, I was saying
the same shit. So just like it will, it will
one hundred percent come up in the future because more art.
That's the only way that they're able to determine what's

(19:03):
causing cancer because of people's health records. Well, also, we'd
used to actually be natural and in today's day and age.
Like everything else, it's genetically modified, it's manufactured, you know,
so those are going to cause problems as well, just
because it's evolved over time. Well, it just it doesn't
It doesn't matter if it's natural anyway, because there's plenty
of natural things that could cause harm. And it's not

(19:26):
just like you could do all the tests you want
on the marijuana plant itself, but when you turn anything
and when you burn anything, it totally changes the chemical
composition of that thing, which could then change DNA, which
then can lead to atypical cells that can lead to cancer.
So it's just something I think people should just have

(19:46):
their eyes open about and say, just because the government
says it's it's legal, now it's it's not legal, doesn't
equal good. And you could see that with alcohol and
cigarettes for sure. So yeah, but people I do think
alcohol is fine. So yeah, well it's not like I'm sorry,
so and that's not my opinion, Like that's that's the

(20:09):
hundreds of liver transplants I've seen it, and and autopsies
and everything associated with chronic alcohol use, not to mention
all of the other stuff that you could you could
really measure out drinking and driving accidents. There was just
one where a seven year old kid just got killed
in a dui accident. Like it's not it's not good

(20:30):
for you and so, and there's really no articles medical
literature anyway saying that it is, you know what I mean.
So it's the same thing with cigarettes, Like, God, don't
even go down that road, right just because the government
says it's it's okay, it doesn't mean it's safe. That's
that's all I want to say. So I see what

(20:50):
he's out and John's saying, because you're almost giving people
that permission. Like, listen to me. If they said, right now,
we're going to legalize uh, let's say cocaine, you would
see an increase in cocaine use. Yeah, of course. But
like you said earlier, though, they don't give a shit
about what happens to you. They care that the tax

(21:13):
money has gone up astronomically. That's what they care about. Yeah.
So I mean, as long as people are making their
decisions based on that, then, because I hear a lot
of stuff about people arguing with you that you know,
it's it's not addictive, it's not this and it's like
you could talk to plenty of people, especially people like

(21:33):
me that I could talk from experience because I did
a shit ton of it. It is. It is a
gateway drag. It is addictive, Like I'm you know what
I mean, Like, I don't care what you say. It
is you. They can say whatever they want, Like I
think saying that as a like, I don't think it's
I think it can be addictive, but I don't think it's.
Like I've I smoked weed for a really long time.

(21:55):
I wasn't addicted to it, like and I stopped doing
it no problem. So like I think it depends on
what the personality type. I think that depends on Yeah,
that's that's you though, But you don't have you don't
have any kind of predetermined thing to have addiction. Like
it's the same thing you can delay about drinking alcohol
and going gamba. But ingredients in cigarettes are proven to

(22:16):
be addicted to anybody that regularly smokes them. Like, saying
marijuana is addicted in the same way cigarettes are is
just not a correct statement in my opinion, because it
depends on your personality what kind of weed you're getting.
I think a lot of these dispensaries are you know,
some of them are really about the natural approach, but
some of them are about the heavily genetically modified approach.

(22:38):
And I think that's what could lead to an addiction. Well,
I think addictions just it's just too broad of a
term for anything, because you could say, like my husband
drinks a case of seulser or water a day, is
he addicted to it? Probably? Like if he doesn't have it,
he kind of gets anxiety over it, like, well, what
am I going to drink today? I don't have new

(23:00):
fizzy water? Like can you please get some groceries? Blah
blah blah. Like right, so people can have it towards
lots of different things that aren't considered to be like
chemically addictive for people, you know, So it's kind of
not true to say that it's not I don't know.
It depends on the person's let's move off, all right,

(23:22):
freak accidents, all right, So speaking of this topic, I
guess we're gonna considue the conversation. This teenage boy who
was fifteen was sneaking around vaping. What's confusing about this
to me is that his parents said he was They
were constantly finding a vape in his room. Although they
forbid him from doing it, and then he would just
go on walks all the time, Like what else do
you think he was doing? Well? This is the thing

(23:46):
I love that this article is heavily emphasizes that the
parents kind of like knew about this and told him
not to do this, and we're really trying to get
him not to do this. But ultimately, when you have
a fifteen year old kid, somehow they're able to get
access to that thing they leave the house, you can't
like sit on top of them and never let them

(24:06):
leave the house and stuff. Like kids, this is just
like a kid being a kid. This is a story
as old as time. Kids hiding cigarettes, kids hiding drugs, alcohol, whatever.
They just wanted to be clear in this article that
like they didn't condone his behavior all right. Anyway, he
one night, he goes on one of his quote walks

(24:26):
to go sneak a smoke, and he said, as he
walked up to this overpass near his house, the vape
wasn't working, so he tapped it on the ground and
then as he lifted it back up to his mouth,
the thing exploded in his hands. Yeah, so this this
little like a vape pen can act like a small
explosive device and parts of it are made of glass

(24:47):
and metal, and it essentially acted like shrapnel and partially
amputated parts of his hand. Like he went home to
show to be like to his parents, called on on one
I'm having a problem, and his dad said that his
thumb was like hanging off of his hand by his
wrist and when he went to the hospital, he had

(25:08):
to end up getting extensive hand surgery and they did
have to amputate a couple of his fingers, but they
weren't able to save his thumb. But his hand is
completely mangled. He said, it was turned inside out. Yeah,
And the FDA is saying that these events with the
explosions are unusual, but they think it could be related
to the battery inside them. Do you think it's one

(25:29):
of those lithium ion batteries. So this is actually really interesting.
So there's a coil in these vipe pens that have
to that has to get heated in order to heat
this flammable liquid so it could turn it into a vapor, right,
And they do often use lithium ion batteries. Lithium ion
batteries are regulated with things like cell phones and laptops.

(25:50):
And we talked about this with Fastinelli last year when
we did that article with the Experial example that, Yeah,
we did that external exam with Chief Fastineali from FDNY,
and we were talking about how they're regulated. Like, if
you get a phone from Apple, it's a regulated thing.

(26:11):
There's a low risk of anything happening with that battery
because they're FDA regulated. Right, But what about when you
get like a knockoff from China from Amazon to charge
your de wault battery or whatever you do, Right, then
those ones that aren't approved, and they're the ones that
they're seeing with the scooters and everything in New York

(26:32):
are pausing most of the fires, or these like bobo
counterfeit ones.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Well, when you're talking about these lithian ion batteries with
bake pens, they're actually not regulated at all. So that's
part of the problem. There's no regulations with those at
this time. There's been there's just been countless emergency room
injuries because of these explosions, and of course it's because
of the battery, you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean,

(27:00):
I think the overall message behind the story is children
should certainly not be vaping, and I think because children
are vaping, they're not learning about the other dangers that
could be lurking behind the devices they're using, such as
this or them catching on fire. Yeah, which is also
just and this is what I wanted to say earlier.
This is like just another issue that comes along with

(27:21):
these because again, when these first came out, I've been
saying since before I even started Instagram that these vapes
are horrible and they're going to be horrible. And let
me tell you why. Because the majority of the companies
that are owned by these vape people are Philip Morris, Okay,
who's we all know is like the number one cigarette
manufacturer who is responsible for the death of millions of people,

(27:46):
and Altria, which is owned by Forrest Philip Marris as well. Right,
So these two companies that have made cigarettes, who hid
all of the information for years that they cause cancer
even though they knew it, right, they're the ones that
are saying putting out this new product and saying that
it's healthy and it's fine and it's not dangerous. And

(28:06):
but let's talk about this. Last year in twenty twenty three,
the East cigarette manufacturers, they made twenty three point three
billion dollars. So that's why they say whatever they're going
to say to get you to buy it, because it's
just like a huge money maker, right, And not only

(28:27):
I mean the bape pens explosion are kind of like
not even the biggest problem that could happen. There's this
this lung condition called evalue a Valley, which is e
cigarettes and vaporized lung injury, which is being seen now
more and more, which they they're kind of like, Okay,
this is new, so we don't really know what to
call it and how to handle it. But what they

(28:49):
found is that this vitamin E that's in the liquid
that's in these bape pens can be causing lung injury
to people. But they're also saying it's not just specific
to that, so if they took vitamin E oil out
of it, there could be something else that could be
causing pulmonary injury to people. But it's just it's just
like you're kind of swapping one problem for another problem,

(29:12):
and like, yeah, kids shouldn't be doing it, but like
they're targeting and advertising these things to children. I've seen
the videos on YouTube and stuff. It's like they're getting
influencers to do it because they're not allowed to do
advertisements anymore because of what happened with the cigarettes. So
now they're like backdooring it and giving it to people
that are making YouTube and TikTok videos. Yeah, all right.

(29:36):
Last Friday, this twenty six year old guy and his
son were walking their three dogs by this local playground.
Suddenly the dogs started attacking the man, so bystanders called
nine on one tried to help to get the dogs
off of him. They were hitting the dogs with golf
clubs and shovels. They were excel bullies. Is that the
same as a pit bull? Do you know? Pit bulls

(29:59):
don't exist? Don't get the pitbull people all angry. Mix
bulls don't exist. They don't. They will tell you they're
not a thing. They're mixed breed dogs, and there's no
such thing as a pitbull. I don't know, and I
don't care. It's just kind of like, I'm kind of bored,
honestly by every single week there being like ten articles
about specific kinds of dogs. And it's not just these

(30:20):
quote pitbulls, it's also other dogs. This week alone, a
family had rott Wiler's that were like this. This little
girl's pet her whole entire life. She's five, and they
walled her to death. I mean, like we talk, we
don't even talk about it because it happened so many
times a week. But I guess one of my friends

(30:40):
had one of these bullies, which was a bulldog red
with a pitbull type dog. Right, but no, I don't
know what an extra large one is. I don't know.
It's just like clearly they were just describing it as
being this huge, muscular dog that was able to kill
its owner. So it's like, right, yeah, So suddenly the

(31:05):
dogs started attacking the guy, the owner out of nowhere,
and then the bystanders were trying to, you know, beat
the dogs off of them with the golf clubs and
shovels and stuff, and the dogs would not lay up
at all. One of the dogs ended up biting another
guy that was trying to help in this situation, giving
him serious injuries as well, but they had to wait
till the cops got there. The cops tasered the dogs

(31:27):
to get him off, which is so ridiculous. One of
them got away. A local elementary school had to then
go on lockdown. Think about other people in the playground
and just taking walks too, and how dangerous that could
have been. And then you know his son basically just
I don't know how old the kid was, but watch
his dad get mauled to death in front of him.
So yeah, and that's why I wanted to talk about

(31:50):
this particular story as opposed to the millions of other
ones that we see all the time. It's just like
this guy, this guy had these dogs right, brought it
to a playground where there's a bunch of innocent people.
When you look at the photos from the video, you're
just like, yeah, that just looks like the local playground
up the street where kids are on children are playing

(32:13):
on the jungle gym and stuff like that. And then
the dog freaking escaped. Did they ever find it? Yeah,
they got all three dogs eventually. Yeah. So this dog
that just killed a person is now running around and
you get a call from your school that it's on
lockdown because there's this like killer animal on the loose,
Like it's so ridiculous. They're just I just feel like

(32:33):
there needs to be some kind of regulations with and
I don't really know where you draw the line, because
people are coming at you for that you know, because
anytime we have a story, I don't give a shit.
Guess what if my kids are playing outside, Like I
don't want them to get bit by some dog that
somebody shouldn't even know. And like you sit there and
say that a human living in America can't have a

(32:54):
tiger as a pet, right why because they attack people
and kill people. They don't all do it like some
people on Instagram have pumas as pets and shit like that,
right if you raise it from when it's a baby
and you don't beat it and shit, and it's all
you know, it's all nicey nice and stuff like that.
But like you don't let animals like that just walk
around to the park on a leash. Like sorry, This

(33:14):
actually just happened on Housewives last week. One of the
housewives showed up for their group trip or whatever, and
she was like, oh, I'm not feeling well. I got
bit by another dog at the dog park. And when
they showed her injuries, I was like, how are you
not losing your leg? It looked there was these insane
puncture wounds in this woman's leg and arm and she
was saying that the owner of that dog was in

(33:36):
his car, taking a phone call, and just letting this
dog roam around the dog park unattended. I mean, that's
like one hundred percent of lawsuit in my opinion. Yeah,
but that's and that's what's scary. It's like people get
these dogs because they want to look like they're a
bad ass carrying these dogs around, and they don't really
understand like that situation with that guy, Like luckily the
dogs just killed the owner. I mean, it's terrible that

(33:59):
the sun even had to watch that because the whole
entire thing was just completely avoidable. But just to think
that that could have just there, could have just been
like a mom there with their three year old pushing
the kid on the swing, and that kid could have
been It's just like this just doesn't even need to
be a problem. It needs to be more regulated, and
I don't know how you can do it, because they're

(34:21):
like all dogs can bite, right, Chihuahuas can bite. This
is the big argument that they like to have that
chihuahuas bite more than pippoles do. An adult human could
manage a chihuahua. Most adult humans can't handle one of
these extra large dogs, let alone three of them at
the same time. And the thing is that I understand
that there's lots of people that have Like one of

(34:42):
my best friends has two German Shepherds, which are dogs
that like are that bite, they're known to bite and
rattwaer's and everything. She's she's like a dog mom. They're
her children. They're great and this and that. But then
when they get into the wrong hands and they're not
trained properly, or the just whatever whatever it is to
cause these dogs to snap. It's the same with with

(35:05):
the with the little kid the other day, like five
years old. The dogs were older than the kids. So
the dogs have been there since that kid got brought
into the house for five whole years. Not a problem, never,
they said, anyway, not a problem, never bought, no aggression, all.
It doesn't matter. It's an animal, Like what are you
talking about? Like, but it's it's just it happens all

(35:26):
the time. Like what's the solution. I don't know, just
keep saying just like keep protecting it and saying like
nothing to see here. I don't know. I don't know,
Like I don't think we're ever going to be in
a place really where these types of animals get banned
from being able to be owned. But I think maybe
there needs to be a rule that, you know, one
adult prorogressive animal, because an adult certainly can barely handle

(35:49):
one of them, let alone three of them at the
same time. And it's ridiculous that the dogs had to
get tasered to get them off of the person, and
that other people risk their lives and risk getting injured
to help this person. Not even tasered, they were getting
beaten with shovels and shit. I which, you know, I
actually commend the people that tried to intervene because I

(36:09):
wouldn't have I honestly, like, because that thing gets loose
and then all of a sudden, like it's attacking you.
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True crime all right, the story with one gagillion layers,
Luigi Manngioni. We have a lot of updates and there

(37:35):
are just I feel like new stories coming out every
single day related to this case. Yeah, It's it's kind
of crazy, like how this case has taken such turns
when we've just talked about it last last week. Right,
so it's only been one week, Well it's been two
about two weeks since one week did the crime and

(37:57):
one week since he's been found. He was found Monday, right, Yeah,
he was found last Monday when we were like in
the middle of writing about it. That was I don't
understand how people are journalists because we're in the middle
of writing this and every five minutes there's a new
update and I'm like, Oh, I have to change what
I just wrote. I have to change what I just wrote.
It's very stressful to be like trying to keep the
most up to date as of this episode. They're already

(38:19):
working on a documentary about him, which I think is
so outrageous. And then there's you know, a lot of
confusion about his charges right now. So right now, officials
don't believe that he will be charged with the death
penalty because they don't think he's eligible for a federal crime.
And in New York they don't have the death penalty,

(38:40):
they haven't had it for about the last two decades.
So he's been charged with second degree murder, which I
feel like most of us are used to knowing as
murdering somebody but not planning it out, and as we know,
in this case, it seemed to be very strategic and
planned out well. In New York City, under New York Lie,

(39:00):
they only consider first degree murders as a charge that
applies to only a couple of crimes, which includes the
victim being a judge, a police officer, or a first responder.
So I think that's interesting that New York law differs
so much from what we're used to. It is interesting
because do you think that that's possible. Maybe that's why
he decided to do it there, just because if he

(39:20):
did get caught, he would I mean second degree murder.
Is is there a chance of him going to prison
for life or like there's a high chance that he's
not going to get in that kind of trouble for
this Well, I think he could potentially have life. I
don't want to speak to whether or not he would
be eligible for parole or not, because I just don't

(39:42):
know the answer to it. But I do think it
was strategic because you know, New York State does not
have the death penalty, so you know that's not on
the table. And then I think it is interesting because
I didn't know until this case that they had different
definitions of first degree and second degree murder. Yeah, I
don't know, but so many crazy things are happening, So

(40:04):
let's start talking about the semi copycat that already happened.
This week. Yeah, so this woman in Florida was on
the phone with her insurance company. They denied her claim,
and at the end of the recorded phone call, you
could hear her say, delay, deny, depose you people are next.
So obviously she got arrested pretty quickly after saying that.

(40:27):
Is she like a fucking moron? Really, Like you are
a fucking moron. Listen, even if you agree with everything
he did and everything, you have to understand that's saying
something like that on a recorded phone call with somebody
in the same industry is going to get you in trouble.
How could you seriously think that was gonna slip under
the radar with how high profile this is. This lady

(40:49):
is forty two years old, so she's around my age,
and she has three kids, and apparently she's a nuclear
med tech at a hospital or a medical center something,
so she's got a good job. Like she's a fucking idiot. Seriously, Like,
what did she say? Yeah? And her in her defense,

(41:10):
she was saying like she was defending her actions, saying
she only said those things because they were hot in
the news right now. But then she went on to
say that the healthcare companies quote deserve karma and they're
quote evil. So I'm like, you're saying you're not a threat,
you're saying you only use the words because they're fresh
in your mind. But then you're wrapping right around and
saying that they are bad and evil and they deserve it.

(41:33):
So what are you doing? What does she think is
gonna happen? She's a terrible mother, actually, because like, listen,
everybody in the world's got opinions, right, keep your fucking
mouth shut because you're not changing anything or doing anything.
And now you're you could potentially go to jail. You're
definitely gonna lose your job, you could go to jail

(41:54):
and like not be with your kids over what like
because you had to say that out loud, like it
did nothing. You're a fucking idiot. So she was charged
with threats to conduct a mass shooting or act of terrorism.
I don't know if that's considered a federal charge, which
think about heavy charge. Think about if she gets a

(42:16):
worse sentence than Luigi does, because her crime may qualify
as a federal crime, where murder does not qualify as
a federal crime unless you're hiring a hitman to cross
state lines. So think about the potential of her getting
a worse sentence than the guy that actually committed the
crime just because you said something in the heat of
the moment. Even if she gets off of this completely somehow,

(42:40):
which I don't know, because I feel like they're going
to make an example of her, so people stop doing
dumbshit like this. Like even if she's just a regular person, right,
so she does not seemingly like, you know, a multi
millionaire like the Luigi guy is. She's just a person
that works at a hospital and doesn't seem to have
life millions of dollars sitting at a bank account. So

(43:03):
she's she's just ruining the quality of life for her children.
That's all that she did. Right now, She didn't She's
not some kind of hero, she's not things. She just
ruined the quality of life for her children. She'll probably
I would like to say that she's never going to
be able to work in healthcare again because of this,
which means that her associates and bachelor's degree that she
has a nuclear medicine is was a waste of time

(43:26):
because she can't even do that as a job anymore.
And and for what like the legal fees that she's
going to have, even though there are gofundmeans to get
money for her legal fees. It's just it's just like,
I don't know who would donate money to that because
she's a stupid person. Why would you give a stupid
person money. We'll get more on that later, but I

(43:48):
think I can all agree that. You know, we've had,
you know, a really frustrating phone call with some type
of customer service, and we've all said things of the
heat of the moment. One time, I was on the
phone with my key provider when I was living with
my roommate a couple of years ago. The person was
being extremely unhelpful. It was something the company did that
caused my internet to not work, and then I thought

(44:10):
I hung up and I was like, that person's a
fucking asshole. And then they called me back and said,
I heard you. Well, you know what that company is.
I know exactly what you're you're talking about that they
like have the ability to completely embrage you. And but
you're but you're right, there's lots of different Like I
see what the other side saying, Well, like you not

(44:32):
having the internet is not the same as like you
not being able to get medicine that you need or
health insurance, sure need. Like but and and trust me, like,
prior to this happening, they probably got similar threats like
this all the time. But because that dude shot and
killed that dude, now it's like real, it's real, and
it happened, and now it could happen again, and and

(44:55):
like the worst part is is that how he's being
held such a hero is on only going to further
fuel people like this lady to feel in bold and
like empowered to say something like this, because and like
that's that's not helping. That's not going to help anything.
It's just going to make people feel like they could

(45:16):
go around killing people all the time for things. It's
just like not the way to go about things. I think,
regardless about how you feel about the situation overall, I
think you need to realistically expect that if you threaten somebody,
you're going to get in trouble for it. That's it's
just regardless. Was that, regardless of the situation is not

(45:37):
so black and white, you know. I mean, there's a
whole group of people that could argue, fuck those people
what she said, I agree with She did the right thing.
There's a whole other group of people that like, she's
a monster. Why would you say something like that? How
are you so insensitive? Regardless of where you stand on
either side, you just have to understand the consequence when
you there and another person. And that's just the basics

(45:58):
of it. So, but to talk about this backpack company,
So the founder of the backpack company, Peak Design, is
also facing a lot of criticism because he tipped off
the police line that Luigi was wearing one of their bags.
So this is interesting because this has happened in lots
of crimes, you know that they could try Remember when

(46:19):
we were taught, we were covering that case, the Boy
in the Box. Yeah, so, and I don't know the
exact details off of the top of my head, but
they're in Philadelphia years ago, was it like fifty years ago?
It was a long time ago. They found this this
random dead child inside of a box. And with that box,
they were able to determine that it was a it

(46:41):
was a box from a Bacinet or something that was
purchased at like J. C. Pennies, And they were able
to track the serial number and see what store it
was bought at and stuff like this is this is
just like old school police work kind of thing to
be able to say, oh, that guy didn't They do
it with the coburger on too, Like they found what
knife it was and where it was sold and everything

(47:04):
just based upon the sheath that they found. They do,
and that's how they try to find people who dig
crimes or connect them to it. I think you know,
a big concern that people have with this case is
that their backpacks have serial numbers in them, and they
have privacy concerns with their purchases. I saw other people
pointing out that they're worried if they had bought a

(47:24):
backpack from this company and then they sold it on
a secondhand website or to a friend or something, what
if that person commits a crime, are they going to
be liable for the crime because the serial number matches them.
But to your point, this is old school police work.
It's kind of similar to how they id cars that
are found or using crimes. It's the same thing. They're
just doing basic tracking techniques. Yeah. I mean, if you're

(47:48):
and if you're not killing people, like like listen, anything
that you buy, if you if you murder something and
it's involved in the murder, then you're going they're going
to try to track it. I don't see why anybody
really has a problem with that, Like what's the privacy concern?
So he fucking killed somebody, Like we we could sit
here and talk about the reasons or whatever. But like

(48:10):
it's against the law in the United States to murder
a person, so it needs to be he needs to
go to trial and get investigated like every other fucking
person does or should, and then they could it could
be determined, Like listen, he might go to court and
then Jory might stay not guilty and he could be free,
and we need to respect that. But until then, he

(48:31):
broke a law, and we need to like investigate that law.
You can't be threatening people that they're that they're a snitch,
like he killed somebody. It just just like blows my
fucking mind, honestly, all Right, So I want to talk
about this like really similar thing that happened in Philly.
So during the riots a couple of years ago, you know,

(48:52):
people were flipping police cars over and setting them on fire,
and then photographers were at the scene taking pictures of
all this. And in this one particular photo, the police
were trying to figure out who set this cop car
on fire. It's a crime to do something like that,
so they deserved it, that's what people think. But anyway,

(49:13):
in the pictures, most of the people are wearing masks
or their faces are covered, so they were having a
really hard time identifying the people that were setting the
cop cars on fire. This was what was really interesting
to me. In one of the pictures, there was a
female wearing a very specific T shirt and they were
able to I guess Google reverse image to search. Google

(49:34):
reverse searched the image, you know what I'm trying to say.
They were able to figure out where the shirt came from,
and it was this very unique shirt from Etsy. So
then they went to the Etsy shop and they went
through all the orders and they figured out who found
it through. That's what they should do. That's what cops do.
And that person got arrested. Okay, so then they got arrested,
and then that's what should happen, and then the jury

(49:57):
could decide if they should be in trouble or not,
because that's how it works in this country. Yeah, I mean,
I just think it's like, you know, if you're if
you're committing a crime, it's just it's not that hard
in twenty twenty four to find people, right, Like, even
if I see a T shirt I like on TV,

(50:18):
I'll take a picture of my TV, go to Google
and reverse image search it and I will find it.
So of course, when you're wearing a really specific T shirt,
not just like a black long sleeve shirt or black
T shirt, somebody's gonna probably be able to find it. Really,
this guy and this is this is what's really sad
because I feel it's the same exact thing with you

(50:39):
could talk about two different companies right now. You could
talk about McDonald's and now this backpack company. This guy
is like a backpack company, and it's not like a
huge corporation like JanSport or something. It's like the guys.
The guy's just trying to make a living. He has
nothing to do with like anything, and he's he gets

(51:01):
pulled into it because a murderer is wearing his product.
And now not only like he said when he called
to report it, that that was his company, he said
that they already had had multiple tips that that backpack
was from that company, and if they were onto it,
if he called or not, he was going to get
a court order to give over his customers exactly, So

(51:23):
he's he's screwed either way, just because the guy. Now, like,
what is if the cops come to him and say
we need the records from this particular model of backpack,
he can't say no legally or hol go to jail
for withholding evidence. So if he gives it, then he's
a snitch. Like it. People just don't even think of
the positions people are in. It's the same shit with
the McDonald's, Like, what the fuck does McDonald's have to

(51:46):
do with this guy who killed someone and happened to
be sitting there at that moment in timey in a
hash brown, Like people are leaving negative reviews on that
particular location of the McDonald's that's an individually owned franchise,
that you're fucking somebody's business up because that it has
nothing to do with this guy. I think we could,
you know. It's just like people are fucking idiots sometimes,

(52:06):
I swear, even take yourself out of this situation and
how you feel other way, just think about anything that
happens in life anymore. People are just so easy to
make a TikTok, leave a review or anything. I think
people are just like unwell because if this, if the
slightest thing happens that you do not like, people are

(52:28):
the first to jump on TikTok and make a video
talking shit about it. You know. The craziest thing to
me is that there's always, like, throughout history and stuff,
you always could think about people from any side, and
whatever you think about, there's always like certain things that
most people could agree with. And shit got so fucking

(52:49):
weird in the past couple of years. Like I used
to think that if you said to somebody, what do
you think about grown ups having sex with children? That
every single person in the country would be like fuck them,
Like those people are discussing human beings, and now there's
people that like, they don't they want to talk about it,
and they don't necessarily disagree with it. Like then you think, okay,

(53:13):
maybe we could all agree that murder's bad, right, we
all could say, like you shouldn't be able to go
up to somebody in the middle of New York City
and shoot them in the head because you disagree with
what they're doing. And now it's like you can like,
how could you how could we ever? Like you have
the nice people if we can't keep on like these basic,
these basic human things. But then people will come back

(53:36):
at you and say, what's the difference if that guy
got murdered because he killed many more people with his
horrible policies. Yeah, and so did doctor Fauci, and and
and I could go on the list of thousands. I
could name fifty people off the top of my head
right now that like, how about people that do brownouts
on fire companies and people that are short staffed in

(53:56):
police departments and blah blah blah. There's always there's always
somebody like I bring this example up of like some
of my old bosses at the hospital that would just
like cut corners all the time and cut staff and
overwork the staff that was there. And people's cancer what
and get diagnosed correctly or this that or the other,
which ultimate will lead to them dying, Like you could
just you could talk about it so many people, right,

(54:20):
All right, Well, let's move on. Speaking of VETSI, they
removed Luigi Merch because people were making ornament t shirts
and everything, and they there was a gofunme that started,
but gofunn took it down. But there is another active
fundraising website which has raised over one hundred and thirty
thousand dollars. It's so funny how you like you could

(54:41):
see all of these kits and it's it's a lot
of it is like young people that are just it
just can't think for themselves and they just jump on
the latest trend. You can really write a list of
all of the different things that have happened over the
couple years and been like this is the trending thing.
So now it's like the trending thing for all these
people to be doing these posts saying they were with

(55:02):
Luigi between that time period for an albi. Have you
seen those? No, there's like all these people will post
a picture of them like under a Christmas tree with
him cropped into it, and they'll say I was with
Luigi on December fourth between the hours of six am
and six pm or something like that, like saying that
they are his alibi. But there's like lots of people

(55:23):
posting it, just like randos, but they're all they're all
young people. It's a trend whatever, Like let me be
cool with my friends. Yeah, just get out. I'm exhausted
by this topic. I just want to move on. Okay,
all right, influencer Hannah Hyatt is being investigated by police
after posting a video where her son appeared to be
flinching and afraid of her and her husband. So I couldn't.

(55:44):
I found the video and like half of it is
blurred out. She apparently took it down. So do you
have any insight on this? Because it looked like the
kid was sitting in a shop and car and the
dad was like going to put a box in the
car and the kid like jumped back, and all these
people are saying that he was flinching, like he was
scared he was gonna get hit or something. How could

(56:07):
you possibly tell that from a video. I'm not even
defending her, Listen, I have a serious problem with people
using their children heavily on social media, So I just
try to put that out there. I'm not defending her,
but like, how can you seriously tell something like that
from a video to the point where child protective services
is involved? Well, I think child protective services have to
be involved if people call them if they can't ignore

(56:30):
the calls. So right there, that doesn't mean that doesn't
mean anything. I I and like I said, the whole
like literally half the video was blurred out, so I
couldn't see the kid's face, but I saw what it
looked like. The guy was like holding a box in
the freezer section and like going to like put it
into the car, and maybe the kid flinched because they
thought that the box was coming too close to their

(56:52):
face or something like. I don't really know because I
couldn't one hundred percent make it out. But I do
think that it's almost fucked up to start a viral
claim that a kid looks like like they're getting child abused,
when what if that's like genuinely didn't happen, and now
you're publicly accusing a father of beating their child, and

(57:16):
even if it's proven that that doesn't happen, like those
accusations never really go away, Like that's always going to
be like permanently tattooed on this guy. I think the
bigger conversation we need to have is, you know, I
don't see a problem with people posting photos and everything
of their kids, their little funny moments here or there,
But when your primary content involves your child, I don't

(57:37):
understand how you're being a present mother and well we
should just die. And you could argue that they're setting
their self up. You're putting yourself out there for that.
And there were other videos too. I guess there was
another video where she was like how many dirty diapers
can you find around the house? And there was like
seventeen diapers or something in this video all around the

(57:58):
house up in this corner, in this corner, and like
that's you know, that's people will say, oh, they're they're
they're living in unsanitary conditions and stuff like that, but
like when you point it was probably it probably isn't
even real. That's the thing. Like people make videos and
it's like they're the kids will tell me about these

(58:19):
videos all the time, and I'm like, that didn't even happen.
They completely set that up. Like this mister Beasts guy
has like a whole staff behind these cameras. Like a
lot of it is just like set up shit, you
know what I mean? Like I don't know, so I'm
not I'm not defending her either. I think that I
think that she's just another person that's like a nurse
or something that's doing this with the kids. And you're

(58:40):
just like why, like now, like if you're under investigation
for child abuse, I'm not sure that you could be
a nurse and work in a hospital. I don't, I
don't know, you know, like just fucking stupid. But but listen,
Like there's a real case that happened this Ruby Frank
Lady for recovered it a bunch. Yeah, So so this

(59:00):
has happened where there was a mom influencer on YouTube
that had millions of followers who was actually abusing her
children to the point where she was tying them up
and not feeding them. And the kid escaped the house
and had raw marks on the around their hands and
legs where they were like had rope tied around them

(59:22):
too tight, which is a chronic wound. It's not something
that just happened from a one time thing. And she
got charged with what aggravated child abuse and like she's
in prison right now, right I don't know the status
of where she is right now. I think that so
many people are using their children in their social media

(59:44):
that they're literally making laws about the children getting paid
from being in the videos. Which is so ridiculous to
think that so many kids are on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram
and everything that they are now getting a cut of
money that their parents are making off of using them,
which they should. They should. I'm just saying the amount
of children being used in that way is ridiculous. It's

(01:00:07):
it's just similar to you know, we watch like Disney
Channel shows with kids and their kid actors. Right, it's
literally the same thing like when you have And we
know this because we have a social media channel that
we don't even post anywhere nearly as much as some
of these people do. It's it's a job. And to
think every single time we do a post, we would

(01:00:29):
have to go to our kids and be like, hey,
you need to come here and work because we need
to make this video. It's a job for them and
they should. They should get paid and have some kind
of protections. You could say that they are living the
money because usually a parent will buy a better house
or a better car or whatever. But like, ultimately the
parents can blow through all the money and the child

(01:00:50):
will have nothing and they're completely exploited by the time
they're an adult. So they should have some kind of
rights as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, let's talk about
Ellen Greenberg. We talked about her on this show in August.
We talked about her quite a lot in the gross Room.
She is the teacher that was found dead back in
twenty eleven. It was initially ruled a homicide, then switched

(01:01:12):
to a suicide, but her family is working to get
the manner of death switch back to homicide or undetermined,
and now her fiance at the time of her death
is speaking out for the first time since. So obviously
with this case, it's just a big We did a
high profile death dis section on this two years ago now,

(01:01:33):
and we really broke it down. It's two parts, and
it just really goes through the autopsy report and breaks
down every single thing that was seen, and you can
listen to one side of the story and say it
was definitely suicide, or one side of the story and
say it was definitely homicide, whatever it ends up being
if they do ever reopen the case and look into
it more. The boyfriend at the time or the fiance

(01:01:57):
at the time, had a lot of suspicious behavior around
around her death, and that's why he's always been had
the spot light on him. And in addition to that,
he had some people in his family that like, what
did they work for the DA's office or something. There
was there was some there was something with one of

(01:02:19):
the uncles or something that he called right away after
it happened, and he was a higher up person in
Philadelphia government as far as that's concerned. So and just
the whole entire way that the death went down. So
let's say, let's say suicide, right, there's definitely things that
we could say were suicide. She didn't have any history

(01:02:40):
of suicidal ideations, but she was very anxious because she
was getting married and so much so she couldn't sleep
or anything, and she was being she was having doctor's
appointments with a psychiatrist that she only saw two or
three times over the course of two weeks, and during
that time she was given multiple psychiatric drugs, including zoloft.

(01:03:03):
So this just happened within a two week period. She
was given zoloft and then they said she said it
wasn't working, which I was under the assumption that an
SSRI takes at least two weeks to give the full effects.
Then they switched her to xanax. Then they prescribed her
ambient and Kuanipinus sleep. All of those drugs have they

(01:03:24):
can have a history of causing people to have psychotic episodes,
so that alone could have caused her to be suicidal.
At the time and psychosis like doing something like stabbing
yourself multiple times. Also, the forensic evidence showed that she
there was no DNA on the weapon or her clothes

(01:03:44):
except hers. There was no other foreign DNA, which means
nothing because a person could go around that by wearing
gloves or something like that. Also, in the autopsy report,
it did say that she had stabbed herself in then,
but she had nicked the dora matter, which is the
covering around the spinal cord, but did not sever it,

(01:04:06):
which would have caused her to still be capable to
use it to use her arms to do additional stab wounds.
But the biggest, the biggest fight against this is that
the autopsy report in itself and the person that performed
the autopsy was just such a complete shit show that
we don't know, we don't know what happened, you know,

(01:04:28):
And that's why the report is so important. Could you
argue that if you if like the medical examiner, I know,
you're not supposed to do this. I'm just saying, could
you argue that if the medical examiner goes into a
case thinking it's a certain way, that they're only looking
for signs of that, so that when then you when
you want to change it and go back and evaluate it,
they might not have other information that could be helpful

(01:04:51):
in changing the cause of death. Yeah, and I one
hundred percent that think that's a possibility in this case,
just because he did initially roll it a homicide. So
he gets he gets the body, you know, he gets
the whole investigative report too, before the body. But when
he's at the medical examiner's office, opens the body bag
and has this body, and all he reads is she

(01:05:15):
was stabbed twenty times, found in her apartment by her boyfriend.
Like all these specific facts is they didn't have all
of the evidence of the kaisha obviously, they didn't know
about the DNA yet and all of this stuff. And
that's I don't I don't I think that any person
in the world would be like, Okay, you got stabbed
twenty times or whatever, like clearly somebody did this. But

(01:05:37):
like when you're a medical examiner, you just need to
keep your mind open that this could be anything. But
he initially rolled it a homicide, which makes me think, yes,
that he did go into the autopsy thinking it was
a homicide and just was documenting these stab wounds. But
this medical examiner particular in Philadelphia had multiple reprimanded letters

(01:05:57):
for being sloppy with his autopsy reports, and like, the
bottom line is that her body, her autopsy's done, and
her body's gone, and there's no one to go back
and look at what was there except the documentation that
he provided and what they could look at with whatever
sections they took under the microscope. And one of the

(01:06:18):
biggest things that they say in this case is that
the injury to her spinal cord. So if it was like, okay,
they only like the knife tip but pushed the spinal
cord but didn't do anything, then yes, she could have
used her arms. But if it could it even a
little bit, then she wouldn't have been able to There's
things like that, like how could she have done that?
And she would have already been dead or she would

(01:06:39):
have been paralyzed or whatever. But like now there's no
going back kind of so now you just have to
look at what evidence is available. She had multiple searches
on her computer computer during the time of taking all
those weird drugs that were referencing suicide. Perhaps there was

(01:07:00):
she was looking up suffocation, suicide methods, sex fantasy death
electrocuted by death in a bathtub. Just weird things like
that that make you think like, yeah, it's it's possible,
even though she wasn't talking about suicide, that she could
have because of these drugs, and that maybe that psychiatrist
that prescribed her that concoction should be looked into as well.

(01:07:23):
But then the fiance was acting weird as hell afterwards
too and has been silent, untild. Now how long ago
did this happen. It was in twenty eleven, Yeah, thirteen
years thirteen years ago. So that makes you think like, well, well,
what's going on here? And that doesn't make him guilty
though it does, It doesn't. It doesn't make him guilty.

(01:07:45):
I just think that when you and and listen, like
this is one thing that we learned, like everybody acts
different when someone dies, like even in your family or whatever.
It's just like everyone handles death differently. It just was
like the whole and I don't know all of the
d tells about how he acted. I just remember when
I wrote it up, I was just kind of like,
this is a little weird how it's all handled. I

(01:08:06):
feel like he didn't he like call his uncle before
he called nine one one or something weird. It just
was like stuff that you just normally wouldn't do. You can't.
You just can't say that because you've never been in
a position like that, So you just can't say that.
I can say it. I just said it. Obviously the
right thing to do is to call the police first,

(01:08:26):
but some people are in serious state of shock that
they don't know what to do. Yeah, I mean, and
like the nine one one call sounds Have you ever
listened to it? It sounds a little stage. I don't know.
Just the whole thing is just weird. But the bottom
line is is that the biggest thing to learn from
this case is that the autopsy report, if it was
done by like a legit person, this wouldn't even have

(01:08:48):
been a question. And now you know what I mean.
So it's really important to make sure that your report
is like as accurate as can be because in this case,
it's you know what I mean, it's it's it's so important.
Let's get to the actual story, which is what he
said speaking out because we've already explained this case a
bunch of times. The fiance is saying, I hope and

(01:09:08):
pray that you never lose someone you love like I
did to a terrible disease, meaning mental health, and then
be accused by ignorant and misinformed people of causing her death.
If you're really writing a truthful story, dig deeper and
please do some good by raising awareness for mental health.
So I think you know, it's been all these years
and he's probably just it's a dramatic thing to go through.

(01:09:30):
Whether he did it questionably or not. I mean, right
now he didn't because he's not been convicted of it,
but the case has been coming up a lot recently.
They're re looking at the case and trying to change
the manner of death. And now I think Nancy's writing
an entire book about it, so it's pretty hot. I
think they didn't they just say a couple of weeks
ago that they're not opening it again or something. I don't, yeah,

(01:09:53):
exactly know. I think I think that's I think we
talked about that on here. Actually, well we talked about
back in August that they were going to look at
it and see if it was eligible to be I
think maybe we didn't talk about it when we happened,
but I think they said at this time they're not.
They don't they don't. They're not looking into it anymore.
So obviously the parents are still going to try to

(01:10:15):
keep appealing it. And but like, like, look at this
from the parent's perspective, it's like you get a call
that your daughter's dead, which is just tragic, and then
you find out that the preliminary autopsy reports at homicide.
So now, in your mind, your child was murdered by somebody,
and who you're gonna think it was her fiance, right, Like,
I don't fame the parents at all for fighting. And

(01:10:37):
then like a couple of days later or whatever, they're like, oh,
never mind, it was suicide. You would be like, what
she did, She wasn't even suicidal. But you know, people
are suicidal all the time and their parents don't know it.
So that's that's one thing. But from her parents' perspective,
I would be this. Every single person would be the
same way, like, how the hell do you say this
was a homicide and then change it to suicide? Like,

(01:10:58):
I don't blame I don't blame them for fighting in
it at all, because the report was sloppy, and that's
like the central point of this at the end of
the day. And then I think a lot of people
just have a really hard time accepting if it was
if what really happened was that she died by suicide.
I think some people have a really hard time just
accepting that as the true answer. Yeah, I especially when

(01:11:20):
you have the most sloppy, all topsy report of all times.
So and listen, like, even if this is my opinion
and this could be whatever, But even if they reopen
the case and go through everything, I don't know that
they're really ever going to get the answer they want
because there's just unless. The only saving thing, which I
never really got to the bottom of this, is if

(01:11:40):
they took like if he was talking about that spinal
cord injury and he took very good photographs of it.
That's the only way that they're going to be able
to go through this again and say that injury. If
she had that injury, there's no way she could have
done anything else with her arms at that point. That

(01:12:03):
But if they don't, if they don't have a photograph
and all they have is in writing what he saw,
then it's nothing can really change. It's just somebody analyzing
the data that's already there. Differently, Yeah, Okay, medical news,
we only have one story this week, but it's just unusual.
But this guy would not take talk to warn others though.

(01:12:24):
While he was at the gym, he put a towel
down on a piece of equipment then picked it up
to rub his face. After that, he thought he had
contracted pink eye, but it actually turned out to be chmydia. Yeah,
so I guess the video is showing this other doctor
doing a video online saying that you can't you can
only contract chlamydia because of you know, the bacteria can't

(01:12:48):
really survive outside of the body, and basically saying that
that claim wasn't true. But I found a paper journal
from nineteen ninety five from Cornia Journal that said that
they concluded that non porous plastic surfaces can serve as
a potential vector for the transmission of chlamydia infection to

(01:13:10):
the eye, especially under humid conditions. So they did a
bunch of studies with the bacteria and they saw that
like in normal in normal conditions, it cannot survive off
of the human body for long. But that's because the
human body is a certain temperature and keeps it, you
know what I mean, that that's what helps nourish it

(01:13:30):
and keep it alive. So if it's in a humid condition,
like let's say, sweat from a gym hot, you know
what I mean. Like it in theory, it could. It's not.
It's not like, okay, everybody needs to just like be
careful of this, but like in theory, according to this paper,
it could happen. Well. I also saw later in the

(01:13:50):
article it said that you could possibly contract it by
sharing sex toys. And what's different between a bench at
the gym and a sex toy because they're both objects taken. Yeah,
I mean, and that's true that you can it's I
guess with a sex toy. Like it wouldn't be like, Okay,
you use the sex toy and then leave it out

(01:14:11):
for ten days and then a person uses it and
gets it. It would have to be like at the same
time situation. So it's the same thing. Like, but listen,
you've been to the gym, right, Like sometimes you'll go
and see men whatever, but women especially because your your
fluids are just like right there out in the open, right,

(01:14:33):
It's like you're wearing a pair of leggings and you're
not wearing underwear underneath. It's only just like a thin
layer of fabric between you and the bench that you're
sitting on. How many times have you seen like full
on ass and layby a prints on like the chairs
at the gym and stuff. It's if if you went
from like wet to wet it in theory, it could

(01:14:55):
potentially happen. Is it common to not wear underwear at
the gym? Because I don't think I really knew this,
but I'm not a gym person. I mean, you could
just tell by looking at me that I'm person, but
I don't. I don't know what. I don't know. I've
I've never not worn underwear to work out. I guess
it's just a common thing. Yeah, but people. Yeah, but

(01:15:16):
like if you want your ass to look good in
your leggings, then you wouldn't want to have like pantylones.
I just feel like it wouldn't. You're You're just not
that girl. But there's plenty of those people there. But
it's just like it's just like in theory, it could happen.
That's I mean, they have those wipes there that are
disinfected wipes, and you really should just wipe it down
because you can get other you could get like MRSA

(01:15:38):
infections and stuff like from people in situations like that,
So it's always good to just wipe stuff down before
you touch it anyway. Yeah, Like I think that general
rule is you're supposed to wipe the machine down after
you use it and sweat all over it. But you
know so many people are not doing that, So maybe
everybody just needs to get into the mindset of before

(01:16:00):
if I sit down on it, I'm going to wipe it
down first and then go from that. Yeah. I mean,
if this guy who made the TikTok wasn't lying and
he didn't have any sexual contact with someone, then it's
completely possible. And that's why I mean that doctor probably
literally references paper that said that you can get I
chlamydia from a non poorous service. That's that's where he
got that information. If the guy because I actually know

(01:16:23):
somebody that that happened to, by the way, it was
a friend of mine, God in her eye actually from seamen.
But like I mean, if this guy that she was
in the act, she was in the act. Like, but
this TikTok dude, like if he didn't have sex like
that and he's being honest, then like, yeah, that's how
he got it disgusting. Okay, other death news, all right,

(01:16:46):
we have lots of TikTok stories today. So this chick
went on TikTok and was explaining how her twin sister
died five years ago from viral meningitis. When it came
time to let their family know, the father thought that
her ninety year old grandparent and some distant relatives just
could not handle the information, so he had her pretend
to be the dead twin for the last five years.

(01:17:07):
Shit is so outrageous. It's outrageous. And what's even worse
is that recently the grandma was on the deathbed and
then she finally told her and I'm like, why would
you burden her with the information right before she died?
But she didn't want to be burdened with the lie anymore.
So like that's a a typical millennial thing to do.
It's just they're still get you. There's still out okay, boomer,

(01:17:31):
So they're still lying to the grandpop though, but they
have told other distant relatives at this point and they're pissed, Yeah,
what was she doing some like like you know all
these shows that they have, like the Parent Trap and
the liv and Maddie Show where it's like one actress
playing a twin. You could see how they do that

(01:17:52):
on a split screen, Like, how are you doing that
in real life? Was she bringing two outfits and going
in the bathroom and like changing and they know, I've
never seen together. I don't think they live near this
family at all, so I don't think they were like
seeing each other. They were just talking over like FaceTime
or the phone. Yeah, well, so it's obviously easier when
you're doing that, but the lady was in her nineties

(01:18:14):
or something. She was like, I mean, I understand from
the Sun's perspective that he doesn't want to upset his
mom because she's so fragile and old. But like, I
think it's crazier that the that the sister lost her sister,
which is which is terribly upsetting, and then had to
play along with this for her dad. Like the whole

(01:18:37):
thing is weird. How do you how do you just
like act normal and pretend to be a person that
died without getting upset? You know what I mean? Like
it it is, it's just very unusual situation. I don't know.
And like some people in the comments were sympathetic to it.
And said they understood and they would do the same
thing to you know, not upset other people. And then

(01:18:57):
a lot of people were like, what is wrong with you?
It's weird, and it is it is weird. Well, it's
weird too because if you think about it, like cause,
like I always talk about how just the younger you
people get, the softer and you can't handle anything. Right,
But like this lady's ninety some years old, right, she's
lived through like some shit. She's probably mad because she's

(01:19:19):
just like you, honestly think I couldn't handle that like
I've handled Think about what a person that's in their
nineties has dealt with in their life, you know what
I mean, Like, don't don't try to tiptoe around my feelings.
I could handle anything. Plus, when you're in your nineties,
like every single person that you know has died, your parents,
your siblings, your friends. Like the older you get, the

(01:19:41):
more death you say that you can handle. Like It's
just it's kind of insulting to the mom to think
that she wouldn't have been able to handle it at
her age, you know, it's insulting, and now she's gonna
die knowing that a the granddaughter died and be her
loved ones are hiding this information from her, which is
kind of unsettling. Yeah, it's just like telling your husband, Oh,

(01:20:04):
I know we've been married for fifty years, but one
of your kids is in yours or something like. You
don't tell somebody something. Yeah, it's to get it off
your chest. It's not for them, you know. Well, I
don't know. I just I just can't agree with it now,
me neither. All right, let's move on to Questions of
the Day. Every Friday on the at mother nos Death
Instagram account, you guys can head over to our story
and ask whatever questions you want first. With what you

(01:20:27):
see in your career, has it made you more worrisome
as a mother? Yes? What examples? I have too many examples.
I'm just worried all the time anytime. I mean, I'm
sure you heard every on today's episode Vicious Dogs marijuana,
it's listed social media erratic behavior. Yes, this episode, I

(01:20:49):
feel like really surmises all. There's plenty more, trust me,
lots of lots of medical stuff too. You know. It's
just like well Lillian said to me this morning, She's like,
I as a pain in my head, right, here, and
I'm just like, oh my god, you know, like I
go through like what could that be? Because she's complained
about it for the past two days. Yeah, but you

(01:21:09):
also are so reactive when they tell you something's wrong
with them that I feel like they just do it
for anything, Like she's always like my fingertip hurts, and
I'm like, okay, but I don't get nervous about that.
I get nervous about like anything in the head and
body situation. But yeah, like I like it's typical and
normal for me to just be like, where is that

(01:21:29):
anatomically located? Let me go through the differential diagnosis of
a child in her age, like what could that be?
And like obviously, you know, I go through that, and
then I'm just like, it's it's probably she's stuffed up,
it's probably your sinus is whatever, like I do that stuff.
But yeah, I mean it's how could I not Like
it's just and I always go to the worst thing

(01:21:50):
because that's just like I always see the worst of
the worst. So yeah, that's why we call you doctor
Death in our family, all right too. Will there be
more external exam episodes? Yeah, there there will be. We
just we're going to do those more on days that
that we're going to be off and stuff, just because
we find that we've had so many news stories that

(01:22:12):
we're cutting a lot of stories and we want to cover.
I mean, honestly, we still cover. We have enough to
do an episode every day, which just isn't happening at
this time. But you know, we want we we do
want to do other external exam episodes too, so that
will happen in the future, just whenever. It's not going

(01:22:34):
to be like on a schedule, all right. Last favorite
holiday suite and favorite holiday dish. Some of these questions
that you guys submitted for the Christmas Q and A
I moved up that were to because that's not going
to come out till after Christmas, So one day answer
some of your questions. Okay, Christmas related questions, but this
was submitted for our Winter Q and A. Sweets, your

(01:22:57):
favorite holiday suite and your favorite holiday they dish like
Christmas cookies, I guess I would say, yeah, the rocatto
ones and petzels and stuff like that. A lot of them.
I can't eat ones that other people make, so I
have to make them myself with gluten frey. But they
taste just as good gluten free. I think the Yeah,

(01:23:21):
the ricotta cheese cookies, they're like one of my favorites.
I'm gonna actually make them this weekend because I need
to taste that flavor is very specific to Christmas time.
I'm making them this weekend too. I was gonna make
you a bucks, all right, Well, then just do that
and then I won't do it save me sometime. Yeah,
so Christmas cookies for sure, and dish, I don't know,

(01:23:44):
I don't really like, well, we just went to the
party this weekend. Jen made that. Our cousin Jen made
that really good thing. I don't even know what it is.
She's gluten free too, though, so it makes it easier.
But she makes it every year and you're I'm going
to talk and describe it to you, and you're gonna
like it's so weird. But it's like this log of

(01:24:05):
like was sabi that's covered in cream, cheese or something
that sounds good, and then it's on a plate and
then she like pours soy sauce on it and like
green onions and then you eat it. You get like
a rice cracker and like just dip into it and
eat it. And it like, you know, it clears your

(01:24:25):
sinuses out because you just have this like big whiff
of wasabi. I don't know how she makes it, like
if there's anything else mixed in it. That's just what
I'm gathering it is just based on looking at it.
It sounds so weird at a Christmas party, right, but
like she she only makes it at the Christmas party,
and that's like one of my favorite things. I probably
ate half of it at the party the other day.

(01:24:48):
What else? What about you? My favorite holiday suite is
definitely cookies. My two favorite Christmas cookies are just classic
butter cookies with like sprinkles on them and chalk peppermint.
I make chocolate cookies with peppermint Hershey kisses, and those
are my favorite, absolute favorite Christmas cookie. My favorite holiday

(01:25:08):
dish I'm gonna say is Mom'sklonkies stuffed cabbage with ground
beef and rice and tomato, and it's delicious. Yeah, those
are good too, but she makes those other times a year.
Two they don't really remind me of Christmas necessarily, but yeah,
they're they're really good too. Yeah. I just can't think
off the top of because there's like lots of different
things because of the whole gluten situation. Like Aunt Evelyn

(01:25:33):
used to make this really good like pineapple stuffing thing
with the ham is so good, and then but I
can't have that. And I tried to make a gluten
free and it's okay, but it's it's not really the same.
And like Panatoni bread, you know that, I know that
is disgusting. No, it's so good. That's like one of
my favorite flavors ever. And so they have a gluten

(01:25:53):
free one. I think that brand shar you know, the
one that makes the lea. I think they make it,
but they never have it in stock at Wegmans and
I want to try it, but like their stuff is
like like I don't know how it's executed, you know
what I mean, Like it might be really good. You
could probably get a really good one online because they
hold up pretty well. Yeah, I've seen them online, but
they're like seventy dollars. Yeah, Panatoni is expensive to make.

(01:26:18):
I mean when you get them at the store, they're
like mass manufactured. When you get really good homemade ones,
they're expensive to make. Remember, I don't mind spending seventy
dollars on a piece of bread. Well, I do, but
but like that's a risk. If I know that it
tastes delicious, then then you know, the best bread is
worth all the money in the world. But like I

(01:26:39):
do to take a risk, Like what if it tastes
like cardboard, I'd be like, oh cool. You know what
other appetizer I like that you can really have all year,
but I only try to have it Christmas because I
would eat it all the time, and it's like so
high calorie. Is when you get like a block of
cream cheese with the red pepper jelly. Oh yeah, you
should get that on Christmas Eve. I am good at
I do it because I like that one too. It

(01:27:00):
is so delicious. I'm gonna try to make sour dough
as well, but hopefully it won't be the epic failure
that my Thanksgiving sour dough was. I tried to make
one of those like turkey shaped ones, and it just
looked so bad. It was so ridiculous looking. But whatever.
But yeah, I'm looking forward to the Christmas meals. I
just like eating a lot of Christmas cookies. And I

(01:27:21):
can't believe neither of us mentioned Christmas coffees. I think
that those could be considered a holidays. Oh yeah, anything
like if you just put you could just use like
eggnog in your in your coffee instead of creamer. It's
so good that. And I had a white it's so
so like bad for you. Oh it's so horrible, but
it's so delicious. I had a white pepper Ma milka
the other day too, that was truly heavenly. Yeah. I've

(01:27:44):
been trying to stay away from those Starbucks strengths because
they're just like, they're like so many calories. I just can't.
I mean once in a while, like when you go
Christmas shopping and stuff. But I love I love them too.
They have that. I did try that one that was
like a macha like cookie flavor or something. I don't know.
It's really good. That does sound good. All right, guys, Well,

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