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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to talk about Kanye West, nitrous oxide addiction,

(00:28):
the viral road rage poop incident that was local to
us kids getting drunk at school, Apple Watch is saving
people's lives, and a woman who amputates her perfectly healthy
body parts. So all that and more on today's episode.
Why don't we get started with Kanye West? So he
is suing a Beverly Hills dentist for giving him too

(00:50):
much nitrous oxide during a cosmetic procedure, which ultimately led
to him forming an addiction. So he says, all right,
So he's been on Knows Death a lot lately because
obviously he seems to be having some kind of a
mental crisis on Twitter with all of his outrageous tweets.
And remember when he got those titanium teeth. Yeah, that's

(01:16):
what they're talking about, right, Yeah. And I'm also like,
are they trying to argue this is what's wrong with him?
Because this is going back to twenty twenty three, twenty
twenty four, and his problems have been very public since
at least two thousand and nine. So well listen though, honestly,
so let's talk a little bit about the lawsuit, because

(01:38):
if it is true, it's, in my opinion, it's definitely warranted.
So he was getting some custom titanium crown. I feel
like we talked about that on here when he got
that done. Anyway, but regardless, he's getting cosmetic dental work done,
and apparently the dentist started giving him nitrous oxide at

(02:00):
the office for that and giving him a lot, Like
I don't even honestly see in a situation when you're
doing cosmetic dentistry, why you wouldn't even need to give
someone nitrous that And that's just laughing ass right, yeah,
but I don't see. I don't see why you would
need to unless the person maybe has a lot of anxiety,

(02:20):
like what my kids got it one time, because it's
it's like a highly anxious situation and it just kind
of chills you out to get the procedure. But that
was when Lucia was like six years old and getting
and getting a cavity filled or whatever, you know, something
like that. So I don't really know the reason why
they choose to give it to people or not, but
he was getting it a lot just for getting this

(02:42):
cosmetic procedure done. And that's kind of whatever. That's up
to the doctor. But then shit started getting weird when
Kanye said he was sending him full size tanks that
would be in the office to his house. Yeah, and
teaching him how to self administer it. Yeah. So so
that is completely medical malpractice to the fullest extent as

(03:07):
far as I'm concerned, if it's true, and he was
saying that he was he was essentially getting him so
addicted to it because you can get addicted to it,
that he was charging him and taking advantage of him
and charging him fifty thousand dollars a month for this
nitrous oxide. Now, this is kind of like a weird

(03:28):
Matthew Perry situation, right, that the doctor is doing something
with medications that they absolutely should not be doing at
levels they should absolutely not be doing it. And we
cover this all the time in the gross room with
all these celebrity deaths with their VIP treatment and why
they end up dying early all the time, it's because
of shit like this, Because I one hundred percent believe this,

(03:51):
because this dentist, if he's able to make fifty thousand
dollars a month off of Kanye, off of something that
doesn't cost anywhere near that much. They get special treatment,
they do. It happened with Michael Jackson, and I really
think that this is completely possible. I don't think it's
that outrageous. And I guess I guess he's suing them

(04:13):
now because he's saying that it's deteriorated his mental health.
And and really the symptoms that he's describing are again
with long term use of of using nitris, it could
cause nausea, seizures, brain damage, and it could cause anxiety, depression, psychosis.

(04:35):
So that could definitely explain a lot of these outrageous
tweets he's been doing. And the thing is, like you said,
he's been he's kind of been off the rails since
two thousand and nine, at least you're saying, well, yeah, so, uh,
Like when was the first the first thing when he
said the George Bush thing and then and then he

(04:55):
started with the Tower Swift thing. Is that I think
I think the first really big problem. I think the
first problematic thing was the Taylor Swift. Like that was
the most public thing when in two thousand and nine
at the VMA's she had won an award and he
interrupted her speech and said, Beyonce I should have won
the award instead of her, And that was the first
time and honor, the first public outburst. Okay, but like, honestly,

(05:16):
he's probably right, okay, regardless if you're right or not.
I don't consider that to be who cares though it's not.
He's just saying the truth like it. I don't know,
I personally do not. I don't think that that's off
the rolls in my opinion, Like I think he's sitting
there with his mouth shut and like I have to
forget say something because this is out of control. So
if you were gonna win an award for your accomplishment

(05:38):
and somebody came up on stage and interrupted your acceptance
speech and said another nominee deserved to win it, you
don't think that's abnormal behavior? I think I think I
think it's abnormal behavior. But like, at the same time,
he's he's not wrong. Listen, everybody talks shit behind everybody's back.
But there's another like level of it where you're gonna
go up on stage and make it a whole spectacle.

(05:59):
I mean, this thing was televised, so I'm guessing behind
the scenes, he was having a lot of, you know,
problems that weren't as public, and then this kind of
really was the start of it that everybody started seeing.
And you're just saying that you could see how this
could explain some erratic tweets he's had recently. He's had
those for ten years so well. But what I'm saying

(06:22):
is that he already has a mood disorder. I think
that I think Kim Kardashian has said that he's been
diagnosed with bipolar disorder, so this would just exacerbate the
symptoms of it, for sure. And you have to admit
that more recently he's he's been like really really really
off the rails, I mean, just with with the with

(06:44):
the horrible tweets that he's making and some of the
things that he's saying about happened in his past and
stuff that people wouldn't normally say out loud, like and
I understand what you're saying about the Taylor Swift thing,
like that's not like a normal thing that somebody would do.
And a lot of what he does is because when
he does these outrageous things it gets a reaction, and

(07:05):
it gets him views and it goes viral and everything
like that. So you always have to keep that in perspective.
But honestly, like him being on some kind of drug
that that affects the brain, like this would clear things
up a little bit as to what's happening with him. Well,
so last year when I was watching The Secret Lives

(07:26):
of Mormon Wives, they were getting like botox on one episode,
and they had gotten laughing gas to get botox what
And apparently after this aired it came out that this
is a pretty common practice and I've never heard of
anybody getting it done for this. Yeah, that is the
most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. But

(07:46):
that's like putting someone under general anesthesia to get tattooed.
I mean, it's just like, if you are that weak
that you cannot get botox in your forehead, then you
just shouldn't get it. I mean, come on, Well, I
think they use it as a loophole to get hug
because they can't exactly do any because when you do that,
it gives you like this sense of like calm and euphoria,

(08:09):
you know, And that's exactly this is why people get
addicted to it, and but you can die from it. Actually,
I mean you've heard of kids doing whipp its and stuff.
It's the same exact thing with the whipped cream cans.
You can die. It could cause asphyxia and you can
die from it. And it you know, when your normal

(08:30):
oxygen that you're breathing in is bringing oxygen to all
of your organs in your body and then you're replacing
it with nitrous it's really really bad for you. And
it could cause permanent brain damage, paralysis, and it's it
could kill people. So the fact that he had a
tank like that is I mean, it's it's so outrageous

(08:51):
to me, but I really really believe it because we've
done hundreds of celebrity death dissections, and I can't tell
you how many times you hear of something like this,
that they go above and beyond for these famous people
and just do things that are complete They get like
starstruck or something, and they just don't think straight and

(09:12):
they throw everything out the window that they've ever worked
for to do these outrageous things for these celebrities, and
it always ends up terribly well. One of the most
ridiculous things this letter. I guess the letter is like
an intent to sue letter. So one of the most
ridiculous things that says about his wife Bianca is quote,
instead of enjoying a healthy married life, she was forced

(09:34):
to witness Ye's physical and mental distress and deterioration. Like
take that out of it. And this is potentially illegitimate claim.
But he was going way downhill before this event even happened. Yeah,
and I think their marriage was too. I can't imagine
that it's very what's going on there is very healthy.
But whatever, I don't really care about them. I care

(09:57):
a lot about I'm very interested in celebrities deaths and
just how doctors play a role in it. And God,
knowing this, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up dead.
I mean this because like nobody is helping out out
of a medical grade nitrous oxide tank. I mean, that's outrageous. No,

(10:19):
it's absolutely ridiculous. Okay, So I've been dying to talk
about this case with you since it happened. I don't
know if we've ever told you guys this, but Maria
and I we talk every single day, but we don't
talk about any of the stories because we want you
guys to hear our genuine reaction to things. And sometimes

(10:42):
we send each other things back and forth, but we
and you know, just so we know what we're going
to talk about on the show, but we never discuss
how we feel about these certain cases. And this particular one.
When did this happen right after we recorded on Thursday? Yeah?
Of course right after? Wait, like we should maybe start

(11:04):
recording on Friday morning, because I swear the craziest shit
happens on Thursday nights. So anyway, Yeah, so this happened,
and it was local to us, and there was this
whole thing, So why don't you get started with the
story so we could talk about this? Okay, So at
first this video started going viral that was stemming from
this road rage incident in Delco, which is Delaware County, Pennsylvania,

(11:26):
very close to us. My husband is from there, and
it showed this woman pooping on this other woman's car.
The video is so ridiculous. Of course, it's like botch
camera work, so you don't see that much. And this
is my biggest complaint all the time. There's people if
you want to be a citizen journalist, right and you
want to document this stuff, Like why can't you hold

(11:49):
your camera street and your phone straight to document it?
It makes me want to vomit looking at this camera
shaking so much, and like, if you're going to document it,
do it right. That's all I have to. So after
this woman poops on this other woman's car, the woman
in the car in the car that was pooped on,
calls her a fucking slut, and then the guy taking

(12:10):
the video, in the most delco action I've ever heard,
goes to that, bitch, just shit on your car. It's listen, Like,
I've never heard of anyone using their ass as a weapon.
Like the lady said that she got so pissed off
in this road rage incident that she wanted to punch

(12:31):
the lady, so instead she just decided to shit on
the hood of her car. And and this is just like,
first of all, who could just spontaneously shit like that?
Like and and when you look at this shit, it's
not even it's not even a turd. It's like a
smear of colon blow all over the hood of this
person's car. It looks like Golden's mustard. Like it's how

(12:55):
like if you were just like you pissed me off.
I'm going to do this, like, how to did that
even happened? What's happening there? So later that night, I'm
showing my husband the video and he's laughing. Like an
hour later, I was like, oh, they released the mugshot
and I show him. He laughed harder than I've ever
seen him in my entire life. I've never seen him

(13:16):
laugh and started was crying and he said, I think
I know that person, but it turned out it wasn't
the person he thought he knew. But I was I
almost peed all over my counts that we were laughing
so hard about it. That's what of course, that's what
Lara said too. Lara was like, Laura thought it was
out Lara lives in Delco. Lara thought it was outrageous,
and then she and then she I was like, dude,

(13:38):
I think Ricky knows that chick. And she was like,
I can't breathe, I'm peeing my pants, like, oh my god.
We were joking about it over the weekend because we
were with a bunch of his family at the wedding
that are also from that area. Oh just everybody thought
it was so funny. And then Ricky was making a
joke that the father of the bride is this like
extremely accomplished man, and he was like, well, what do

(13:59):
I even talk to him about? Do I say, I
know the Tuko pooper? It's like a bonding moment for
anyone that lives around here. Yes, so wait, so wait
do you know that this chick? So wait, I can't.
I don't even know where to start here. So she
goes by the name shit head on Facebook. It's spelled

(14:22):
s h y t h E I D. There is
no way that's true. No, she goes by that name
on Facebook. She's forty four years old, so she's a
year younger than me. And she's an OnlyFans model that
sells pictures of her feet for seven ninety nine a month. Wow, okay, No, seriously,
just keeps the veloping, Like, who is this person? Does

(14:44):
she need to call on? Mother knows that she might,
We need might need to find her. I'm sure we
know somebody that knows her, like your husband, right, I don't.
I don't know, Like serious, wasn't her So apparently she
claimed it was a clean wipe, right, but it didn't
look that clean from the she said her poop was
clean and she didn't even have to wipe, And I'm like,
that was definitely not a no wiper for sure, Like

(15:05):
and then we could get into talking about that, Like, first,
I don't think there's any such thing as a no wiper.
Even if you feel like you don't have to, there's
always a situation where you could just clean it off
just to be seen. She's right, I just the whole
situation mine, Like I understand, like everybody's had diarrhea before

(15:27):
where you're in the car you're like, oh my god,
if I don't get home right now, I'm going to explode.
And it might just be that situation that she was
driving and then someone pissed her off and she was like,
you know what, F this, I'm gonna just do this.
I don't understand what was going through her mind. What
my question is, though, is that if her last name
on her Facebook account is is this shit head spelled

(15:49):
with a y? Like has she done things like this before?
Or is this just coincidental? Like is she known for
shitting places? There's a lot going on here. And then
the seven ninety nine a month for selling feet, Like,
what's that about? Is that a thing? Because like I
should start doing that. Everybody, what is it? But what

(16:11):
is it? Like? Are dudes like jerking off to it?
Or they like, what's happening with the feet pictures? Yes,
they just look at a picture of your feet and
nothing else. Well, I it's seven ninety nine a month.
I think that some people that sell foot pictures or
videos are like doing things with their feet in the
videos to turn a person with a foot fetish on.

(16:32):
But my argument is, why would you pay for pictures
of people's feet when you could just go on Google
a Google feet for free. Did you do you think
that she did this to try to go viral on
social media or like this was just, you know, in
a moment thing that she didn't plan. If you've ever
walked into Delaware County entered that area for somebody that

(16:57):
lives around there, do you not know Delaware County is
a very weird place because it's it's just like there's
a lot of that, but then there's a lot of
like really beautiful areas, like where Laura lives is like
really freaking nice. I don't know a lot of it
over there. A lot of it is beautiful, but some
of the people there are just crazy like, at first

(17:18):
this just said it happened in Pennsylvania, and then when
it came out that it was in Delco, it was like,
oh makes sense. You know. Absolutely nobody even questioned that.
Do you not know about Wiki feet? No, there's like
a website called wiki feet where they rate celebrities feet
on how attractive they are. Oh my god, I need

(17:39):
to look into this more for a side job. Maybe
you might be on there. You don't even know. Oh wow, Okay,
so yeah, I don't really know what else to say
about this. I mean, I just keep thinking if someone
pooped on my car, how gross that would be. Because ultimately,
like the cops come, they write you up, they take
her away, and then like you're responsible to get that

(18:03):
cleaned up, and that's just it is really just disturbing. Well,
let me tell you, I drive right into the car wash.
But the police kept saying, everybody thinks this is funny,
but we're taking it very seriously. So they found out
who did it. She turned herself into police, and she's
been charged with indecent exposure, disorderly conduct, creating a hazardous
or physically offensive condition, and criminal mischief, also depositing waste

(18:26):
on a highway. Wow, it's like on a highway though
she looked like she was in a neighborhood. I don't know,
but that it seems like they were like, what is
every single charge we could get this bitch on? Like
they just they just were. She wasn't embarrassed. She's smiling
in the mugshot. She was laughing in the news interview
when they were following her, when she was going in

(18:46):
the back of the cop car. You know, Gabe and
I were talking this weekend about just how things every
single year are just changing for the worst, just as
far as like the way buildings are made, and just
nobody having any kind of pride or putting work into
architecture and putting pride into the way they dress. Not
that I dress anywhere near a nice compared to how

(19:09):
people used to dress when they went out. And you
see all these You ever see that Instagram account that's
called like History and color something, and they like colorized
the videos from the thirties, and it's just so cool
to see people walking around New York City, or sometimes
you'll see a picture of like Atlantic City on the
beach in nineteen fifteen, and everybody's like super dressed up.

(19:31):
And now, I mean now it's like you can't even
get people to get out of their pajamas to go out.
It's just so bad. Right Well, I said that to
you when you guys were on a trip and you
were sending me pictures of the kids and these like
really beautiful places and they insist on wearing sweatpants everywhere.
Oh god, if they're dressed, they're gonna look back on
all of our vacation pictures and like there's only so

(19:53):
much energy because I don't want to upset them and
get in a fight on vacation. But just like, the
way they dress is terrible right now. But so we
were talking about that and then I said to Gabe,
I was like, yeah, another weird thing too, is like
this whole like women not being afraid to like fart
or poop. It used to be very especial. I mean,

(20:15):
I'm not that old, like compared to my mom or
like a grandmother's age or something, but it used to
be very taboo for women to talk about pooping and farting.
And it was and now it's just like, how have
we come in such a short period of time of
a woman smiling and proud on the news that she
took a shit on the hood of someone's car. I mean, like,

(20:37):
I'm not embarrassed at all to talk about poop. We've
talked about having cold blo and diarrhea a lot on
this is a medical show, and we're all friends here.
We're just talking because like this is real life. I
understand that. But what I'm saying is, like it just
it used to just be. It's just interesting. Like our
kids will tell us that someone farted at school and
they laugh about it. And I was like, oh my god.

(20:59):
When I was a kid, if someone farted, you were
like ostracized for it. It was just it's just such
a different thing, right and and we've just we've just
come really far as women. Right now, now, we could,
you know, take shits on people's cars and be proud
of it. I mean, maybe we can make the old
saying on some merch that say women don't poop, because

(21:19):
remember that used to be like everywhere. Yeah, exactly, all right,
let's move on to this next set of stories. They're
so messed up. So parents got this call from their
toddler school minutes before dismissal to say that something was
wrong with the four year old and when they got there,
she was slobbery from her mouth and unresponsive. So they
take her to the hospital and find out that she's

(21:40):
drunk with a blood alcohol content of zero point two nine.
That's four times over the legal limit a four year old.
I just can't imagine getting that call from from the
school and showing up and your kid. She the mom
was saying that the kid, like she couldn't wake up
the kid, and they said, yeah, you probably need to
take her to the emergence room. Like what and then

(22:03):
find out that that would Oh my god, like that
mom lost years of her life in that time period.
Like what would you even think because surely no person
in the world ever thinks that their child is drunk
at school, right, Well, no, and it doesn't seem like
it was straightforward like from the alcohol we're used to consuming.
They're thinking that it came from either like hand sanitizer

(22:26):
or skincare products or perfume or something like that. Yeah,
they have as of right now, they have no idea
how this kid got drunk. And and you know it's
when when a kid's drinking something like hand sanitizer or
because they smell they smell appealing to some kids, and
they they'll take it in or or perfume or something
like that. You have to consider that not only is

(22:49):
the alcohol a potential talks in for the child, but
also the other chemicals that are present in it that
aren't meant to be ingested. So this kid was sick
as hell like in the ICU for a couple of days.
That's that's really scary. Yeah, it's so so scary. So
you know, I mean, alcohol is a central nervous system

(23:09):
depressant and it could lead to respiratory depression and death.
Like this kid could have died, and that that's such
a high volume of alcohol for such a little tiny
body to have. And I mean, what do the parents
do at this point? There has to be some kind
of investigation. I don't even know. I feel like there
should be an investigation with like the way that it

(23:31):
went down at the nurse's office, Like, oh, you might
want to take her to the emergency room, Like you
didn't recognize that this was like a serious problem, like
a really really serious problem earlier I don't know, and
no other kid got sick. It's just so weird. Yeah,
And like they also need to see if the daycare
is just leaving things around that their kids are getting
access to. That was it a daycare? Was it in

(23:52):
like a school? It said it was a school, a school,
so like she could have been in preschool at four
years old, correct, I mean, I wouldn't say, based on
them thinking it's from you know, another product, that it
was hand sanitizer, because those are in school and they're
easily accessible because they want the kids to be using them.
But you'd want to hope that when a kid tastes
hand sanitizer they don't like continue eating it because of

(24:15):
how disgusting it is. Well, but you'd like to think that.
But this next story is telling us that a mom
brought jello shots to a fifth grade class's party, So
is ridiculous. I can't even believe that these two stories
are even back to back in the news. You know
what else I wanted to just bring up because we

(24:36):
just don't even talk about all of them. I see
it so often when we're looking for stories for this show.
A teacher, a teacher, a teacher always getting accused of
having an inappropriate relationship with a child. It's it's like,
I feel like it's just getting worse, like off the hook.
I heard a story this week about a fifth grade
teacher was like texting the kid and said like, sorry,

(25:00):
I got slime on you. IW like that, Why do
they even have each other's phone number? I don't know.
I don't know, And like we could talk about that
a whole other time, that a fifth grader shouldn't even
freaking have a phone. But that's whatever. People could do
whatever they want to do. But like, what's going on
right now that there's like this this very lax like

(25:20):
line of what's happening at school and just teachers especially,
and it's female teachers too, it's not all male teachers.
It's just so weird, and it's so many stories every week.
It's been happening for a really long time, but it's
just in the news a lot more than it ever
was before. Because you have to think of the worst
case of that, which was Mary Kayla Turno right having

(25:43):
a child with what was he thirteen years old? Her
student when she's no, that just happened. That just happened
a few months ago that we talked about. Someone havn't remember.
But I'm just saying I had cost any of those
kids and somehow got the one got her pregnant, and
wasn't he like eleven or something else. I'm just trying
to make the point that Mary Kayla Turner was not
the first teacher to ever have a relationship with her student,

(26:04):
but it was the first highly publicized one, and I
think ever since then, anytime something happens, it's definitely going
to be in the news. I have definitely seen a
lot of it lately. I just saw a story also
that this stepmother was caught having a sexual relationship with
her fifteen year old steps on. So that's like, what
are people thinking. I don't know that the whole women

(26:24):
with the young boys thing has always been going on.
Maybe it is, and I'm completely naive. I think it's
more popular than you were aware of. But but you
think it's been for throughout time, Well, I don't think it.
Just I don't think older women just started having sexual
relationships with younger men in the last ten years. I
think I'm not talking about I'm not talking about that though,
Like I don't care if shaf is having sex with

(26:46):
a twenty year old or whatever. I don't mean that.
I know I'm women having sex with children now I'm
talking about a pedophile situation. Yeah, it's just it's it's
just really bizarre to me. I just really, I really
don't understand it. But this case, so apparently, this mom
is claiming that she bought these jello shots from Facebook
to bring to a Christmas party at the children's school,

(27:08):
the fifth grade kid's school, and the kids took some
of these Jello shots. Fifteen students ended up getting six,
saying they had stomach aches, headaches, kids were throwing up.
One kid said that he passed out at school. But
one kid had six of them. One kid had six
of them. Could you imagine? Now she's trying to blame

(27:30):
it on this Facebook company, and I'm just like, dude,
what is happening right now? First of all, jello is
like the easiest shit to make. Like, if you can't
make jello then and you have to buy it from somebody,
you're like kind of a loser. Okay, You use to
boil water, that's it, and mix it in a bowl.
There's no other art to it. It always works. You

(27:52):
just have to be able to read, okay, and boil water,
and water is free. Have you met people today, They're
extremely lazy regardless, it's weird to bring even if she
I'm not saying I believe her story, but let's say
she genuinely believed these were non alcoholic. Why are you
bringing anything into a school that represents or looks anything

(28:12):
like something that is alcoholic. When are you ever eating
just jello in these small, ramicking containers, like she must
have thought they were a good snack for children. It
was fifth grade, It's not like they were three. It
just it was bizarre in general to bring that as
a snack. It even thought it was weird, And they

(28:34):
said they trusted her because she was a very involved parent.
But like then, they tasted some of them, and some
of the teachers said they definitely could taste the alcohol.
This was, of course after the children were getting sick.
So a couple of the teachers taste them and recognize
the alcohol tastes. But some of them, depending on the flavor,
you couldn't really taste the alcohol in it. The company
that or whoever made them, it seems like it was

(28:57):
like a home like somebody making someone made and pushing them.
They can't do this right, Like I can't just be
like you know what, I'm gonna start selling jello shots
on Facebook, Like, absolutely not. You cannot sell products that
have alcohol in it to people on Facebook. Okay, I
know that there's no way that you can. Yeah, this
is like I'm thinking it was a person, you know,

(29:19):
like a like a home baker, right that might have
had a page and been like, I make these things.
But yes, it is, in my opinion illegal, Like to
my belief, it's illegal to sell any alcoholic products unless
you have all the proper licenses and everything, which I
doubt this person had considering the circumstances, can you there's
no way though, you couldn't even serve alcohol even if

(29:39):
you had the proper things to do out of your house.
There's no way. So their way that you have to
get liquor licenses and shit just to be able to
have people like bring their own beer to a restaurant.
There's absolutely no way that regular people that are baking
out of their house could do this. So they're claiming
that it was very clearly advertised that the jello shots
were made with smirn Al vodka, which I would argue

(30:01):
that they did advertise them. And regardless if the mom
really claimed she didn't see them, you don't you just
think somebody's selling jello in these like little takeout condomic containers.
I just I don't even understand the whole thing, Like
why would you ever have to buy jello shots off
of somebody? This is not a cake, This is there's
no art to it. You just use vodka instead of

(30:22):
cold water. Like I told you the magic secret. I
want to have room in my heart to be like
maybe this person's just a huge airhead and like really
didn't they get through? But this people? So you should
not have children really because like seriously, like my kids
are this age. One's in sixth grade and one's in
fourth grade. They're exactly this age. I would punch somebody

(30:43):
if my kid was doing jello shots at school and
we're not talking about like you're having a Fourth of
July barbecue and you have them on the table and
a kid and I kid has them by accident. This
is it's just like you brought them into eight and
you're just like, dude, you shouldn't really be able to
raise as a child if you're this dumb. This episode

(31:10):
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(31:32):
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(31:53):
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(32:13):
and I was like, always, Okay, I got to catch
up on this and figure out who all these people are.
And now that I really, especially that I've done the
autopsy reports and starting writing up them. I'm just like,
holy shit, this case is. It's so messed up, and
especially like death investigation in the United States as recently
that when when did this all go down? Like twenty

(32:34):
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(32:55):
that we've heard about this a couple times, with people
having the Apple Watch and either getting in a car
accident or something happening that saves their life. Did I
tell them the story about what happened with Gabe's dad. No,
But let's talk about the story first and then tell ron.
So this man's claiming has Apple Watch saved his life
after he had a stroke because it went in the

(33:17):
SOS mode before eventually calling nine one one. All right,
so the Apple Watch has a detection feature on it
if you fall on the newer Apple Watches anyway, So
I guess that. From the Apple website. It says that
it detects if you fall when you're wearing your watch,
and then there's a function on it that you could

(33:37):
tap and say I'm okay, and it sees if you're
moving or not and waits for you to respond, and
if you don't respond, they will automatically call emergency services
to your location. And then once it calls emergency services,
it will then send a message to your emergency contexts
and let them know where your location is. And said

(33:57):
that your watch detected that there was a fall, and
it could it happened. You could get it on your
phone too, I guess right. So yeah, because of the situation,
because of the situation, because of the story, I have
to tell you guys, which I may have told you,
but I'll tell again. But let's talk about this guy first.
So this guy's young, fifty seven years old, physically active,
and he's literally in his driveway doing jump roping because

(34:20):
and recording the whole thing and recording the whole thing,
and all of a sudden, you see him jump rope
and then he kind of falls down to the ground
and he's having a hard time moving his leg in
his arm and he doesn't realize it at the time,
but he was having a stroke. And on the video
you could see the emergency medical response team coming and

(34:42):
taking care of him. It's so cool that you get
to like watch the whole thing in real time, what's
happening and how it helped him. And I mean, the
guy's very healthy and stuff. But you know, it doesn't
matter how healthy you are, if you eat, you exercise, whatever,
there's there's genetics that you could have. And he had
something wrong that he was taking blood dinners for whatever reason,

(35:02):
and he was adjusting his medication at the time, which
was causing his blood to apparently clot more. And just
this physical exertion, this increase because he was trying to
like one up himself and jump rope a little bit
harder than he normally did, and it raised his blood
pressure and his heart rate, and it caused this blood
clot to travel to his brain and get lodged, and

(35:23):
it caused an a schemic stroke, which is when there's
no oxygen getting to the brain for a specific amount
of time. So luckily he was able. I mean, the
best thing when whenever you're having a stroke, the best
thing is to get medical attention immediately, and I mean,
I don't know how much faster he could have done it.
And the scary thing is is if he was all

(35:43):
by himself at his house, like he could have died. Yeah,
I mean, it's cool that these things do this for you.
So tell the story about whatever felt the Yes. So
I don't know exactly what happened, but I believe. My
sister in law texted me a screenshot that she got
an alert that my father in law fell, and it said,

(36:04):
we're just we're letting you know that he fell. We
haven't heard from him, and this is his location. So
we look at the location and it looks like it's
just on a street near his house and it's in
the middle of the streets. So we're like, what the
hell happened all this stuff? So we call his phone, nothing,
we call his wife's phone, nothing. We're like psycho calling

(36:25):
everybody that we know. They're nothing. Okay. So then finally
my sister in law starts calling the hospital and saying, like,
did my dad just get in an accident? I just
got this alert that he fell. I don't know, can
you send police out there? This? And that it just
it looks like it stopped right in the middle of
this road. I think it was that he fell. I
think that it thought attackted that car accident it detected. Yeah,

(36:51):
whatever it is on the phone, Is it different on
the phone than the watch. Yeah, because it's like a
fall or if it was a fall on the phone,
anytime you dropped your phone, it would send it. So
it had to be okay, okay, So it was like
a c okay, then it was a crash. Whatever it
does on the phone, it's a similar function though, so
we don't So she calls the hospital, and you know,

(37:12):
we know where he lives, so we call a couple
of local hospitals and they don't have anything on him.
I think she called the police department too. They're like,
we don't know. And finally like he gets back to us,
and in typical my father in law fashion, he had
put his phone on top of his car when he
was leaving his driveway and drove away, and I guess
that's when it decided to fall off of his car,

(37:33):
and that was the crash that was detected. So we
were very like, duh, of course this happened to you,
because this is like in a string of things that
he would normally do, but also we were very relieved
to know that he was okay. But it was kind
of cool that it let us know that something was wrong.
But at the same time, we were like panicking for

(37:55):
at least fifteen minutes before we figured out what happened.
I thought it was like hours, like a long time. No,
I don't think it was ours. I don't think it
was ours. I think that's someone We eventually got a
hold of it because I think that my mother in
law was like not with him in her exercise class,
and then when she got out and saw the miscalls
and she saw that that alert went off too, because

(38:18):
she didn't know what was happening at the time either.
But I think I don't know how we figured it out.
I don't think that it was that long though, but
it was it was enough to make us be like,
what the hell's going on? I don't know, Like, I
know a lot of people have hesitant to with these
devices tracking everything about you, but if it could help
save your life in this capacity, it is pretty cool. Yeah,
it's cool. It's definitely cool, and it helped this guy

(38:40):
for sure. All Right, So this thirty one year old
woman had been doing extreme body modification for about the
last four years, which included horns in her forehead, black eyes,
and a split tongue. So the most extreme thing she's
done so far has been cutting her nose off. So, yes,
she does this extreme body modification. And I don't know

(39:01):
exactly why they wrote this article about her this week.
I mean, whatever, it's interesting for sure. She they interviewed her,
said that that was the most painful one she had done,
was the removal of her nose. And we've talked about
cases like this in the grocer room multiple times, about
people that have body integrity dysphoria that intentionally cut off

(39:24):
their limbs. Usually that applies to people that want to
become disabled. Remember, weren't we talking about that one case
that happened in Florida, that guy that was trying to
pay someone to cut off his toes or something. Yeah,
on that show It's Florida, man. I mean, that was
like some weird fetish that guy had where he wanted
somebody to cut his toes off and eat them in
front of him. But we've had stories in the grocerroom

(39:46):
two of people that feel like their arm shouldn't be
there and then they have to go through all these
psychiatric evaluations and talk to a bunch of doctors and
they end up getting their arms like cut off or
their layer or whatever. So I definitely think it's part
of the process she's doing. And I can see how
you can get carried away with this. I mean, I
really don't see this any differently than these women that

(40:09):
get so much plastic surgery that their face has become deformed. Yeah,
And I don't know exactly where you draw the line
of like this person has a dysphoria versus this is
just this is just a normal I don't know if
any of it's normal. Maybe, but we could talk about
that a little bit later. But exactly like, there's definitely
people I see online that aren't tattooing themselves and not

(40:33):
getting horns put in their heads and splitting their tongue
and all that stuff. But when I look at them,
I'm like, what the hell did you do to your body?
Like it looks crazy? So I guess the thing is
is like if people want to do it, like, who's
to who makes the rule that says like this is
like think about people like Kardashians, right, Like we know
they've had so many cosmetic procedures. Who makes the role

(40:57):
that like, Okay, they look good and then this girl
that had her nose cut off doesn't look good? Like
you know, yeah, he makes the rule of like what
what is normal and what's not normal and stuff. And
the same could be said with other things too, like
people who do extreme weightlifting or extreme dieting or anything
like that that that that do these crazy things to

(41:18):
their body that look that look outrageous to to some people.
But like like who's to say, who's to say that
is she any more messed up than than uh, like
Michael Jackson for his surgery on his face. Because what
I'm talking about, I think you get this addiction because
you're getting so many procedures done, and you're addicted to,
you know, the the euphoric feeling you have after it's unveiled.

(41:41):
And I think it's the same exact thing as these
women that get all these procedures donder their face and
then their faces end up caving in because they've had
so much plastic surgery because they're addicted to getting the
procedures done. And it could even be said with fillers.
I mean recently I was at the mall with Lilian
and one of the women that waited on like, I
was just like, well, like, you know, sometimes it takes

(42:03):
you back. And we left the store and she's like,
what was wrong with that lady's face? Did she have
that crazy plastic surgery? Like my kid recognizes that stuff,
you know. But people could do whatever they want to do.
But like you were saying, like, there's different reasons why
people do it and the body modifications, and oh, they
do studies on this kind of stuff all the time,

(42:25):
and like you were saying, it it actually works the
same as like an opiate receptor would work on the
brain and it releases indorphins. It acts similarly to drugs,
like an addiction and like have you ever heard of
a runner's high? Like people that push their body through
stress and pain can become addictive because of the feelings

(42:47):
that they get after they do it and stuff. So
it could be some of that. And then also there's
a lot of studies that have been done with people.
They believe people with borderline personality disorder are more likely
to have tattoos. I think they did a study once
that said that uh, seventy percent of the people in
this large study had at least one ear pierced, which

(43:08):
you're just like, okay, that's every Like that doesn't mean
anything to me. And seventy percent of them had a tattoo.
But then you're just like, well, what does that mean?
Is that a person that that's heavily tattooed or is
that like a grandma that has a butterfly on her ankle?
You know, Like so because so many people are tattooed
now so and there's also been associations with childhood abuse

(43:31):
into black with people that get modifications, So there's like
a lot of different factors that go into it. But
I don't know, like if she wants to look like that,
and and and like I think it's weird that there's
any physician that would cut someone's nose off or whatever.
But it's kind of the same as like I mean,
I got like my my skin cut off of my
stomach because it was hanging after I had a baby.

(43:53):
Like it's what's the difference. It's not your toy, Like
That's what I'm saying, Like what makes it like, Okay,
your nose, you're stom whatever, Like it's it's still a
body part. You're getting caught off because you want it
to look better, and if she thinks it looks better,
then whatever. You know, Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna
go for it and cut my nose off, but I'm
also not gonna go for it and get a million

(44:13):
injections of filler in my face either. So like you
could argue, like I think one version, like you're bringing
up the Kardashians, they might not be as heavily criticized
because aesthetically they're esthetically criticized. No, but esthetically it presents
on what's more accepted in society. But like at the
end of the day, they still push the limit with it.

(44:33):
So I think, if this is what this chick wants
to do, go for it. Like, it's not my body
and it's not my decision. So like everybody's gonna judge
you anyway for what you look like, no matter what.
So at least be happy in your own skin. But
I guess she's saying that people are scared of her
not only because of how she presents, but because she

(44:54):
keeps all of her body parts she gets removed in
little jars. Well whatever, I would that too if I
was doing that, I guess yeah, some people will think
I like for doing it. I totally would have kept
a piece. I would have kept a piece of my
stomach if I wasn't in Florida and I had a
way to like preserve it until I got home. But
like I wasn't really worried about that whatever. I don't know, Like, like, listen,

(45:17):
if you're gonna look like that, you can't sit there
and be like, oh, people think I'm a freak. Like yeah,
that's like that's going to happen. So you're making that
choice as an adult, that that you're doing this. I
think it bothers her a team from the article that
she's developed a pretty thick skin about it. But like,
if you're gonna a do it and then b post
a million pictures of you online, anybody that posts their

(45:38):
picture online should be prepared that some asshole is gonna
have a problem with you, because that's just the way
the world works today. It's it's just crazy because and
I feel like, God, I have extreme body modification with
all my tattoos, but like some of these people, like
I think about people like Kardashians, I just use them
and as an example because I feel like they were
the first family to really like be It's just a

(46:02):
very interesting case study, you would say, because they started
out as younger people and you were able to see
like what they really look like as kids and as
young people, and how they have transformed over the past
twenty years or whatever it's been. So I use them
as an example, but there's certainly other people that look
just as it, has just as much work done as

(46:23):
they do. But like when these people are like eighty
years old, like what are they going to look like?
Or this lady that got her nose cut off and
has horns and stuff like, Yeah, but everybody says that
about you with your tattoos. I know, and I'm concerned
about yet now. But when you're young and doing it, no, no,
I I one hundred percent, you don't think about it

(46:44):
until you're old, and then all of a sudden you
think about it, like that's just that's the story of life, right,
all right, let's move on to Questions of the Day.
Every Friday at the app Mother Knows Death Instagram account,
you guys, get head over to our story and ask
us whatever you want. First, have you received tonsils in
pathology that we're full of tonsilstones, Yes, all the time.

(47:04):
So the tonsils are like filters in the back of
your throat that are supposed to they're kind of a
part of your immune system, the first part to first
line of defense to catch things before you swallow or
inhal them as much as possible, and sometimes that debris
that you swallow, especially kids like my kid gets these

(47:24):
tonsilstones all the time because she constantly has this post
nasal drips not going down the back of her throat
at all times, no matter what medications we give her,
and that kind of stuff can accumulate in the little
crips that are in the tonsils. The crips are kind
of the filter part of the tonsil, and when this
stuff accumulates, it could calcify and get hard like like

(47:47):
a little stone. And like with my daughter's case, she
can pop them out. And I posted pictures maybe on
maybe on Instagram, but definitely in the gross room of
my daughter's tonsilstones. And they're freaking big. What are you
want to say? They're the size of like a blueberry
or something like. They're kind of big to be in
your tonsil, which is kind of a small thing. So yes,

(48:08):
when we get tonsils removed from children and adults that
have chronic tonsilitis. We oftentimes see these little stones within
the crips when we're cutting them. Well, you also had
that situation where she got what an X ray and
they saw something in her Stevens, Oh, yeah, because she
had she got an X ray on her hip because
her hip was sore for a week or two and

(48:29):
she had a foreign body. They said that was in
her in her colon, and through investigation with Christy, we
decided that it was a tonsilsow and that she swallowed
which was calcified though, so it shows up on imaging
all right too. My dad had five spleens. Is that common? Yeah,

(48:52):
it's common, believe it or not. Maybe not five, but
I've seen so it's caught a necessory spleen or they're
called splendelik sple lick a lie. I can't even say
the words. I always thought they that they were. They're
so cute though when you see them at autopsy, so
the person always has their main spleen and then you
see these other little ones around and it's kind of

(49:13):
it's like one of they're like favorite little things to
find it autopsy, These little like anatomic mess ups or
hiccups that you have when you're developing as a fetus.
So when you're developing as a fetus, the spleen is
in multiple parts and it kind of all comes together
to form one spleen, but during your development as a fetus,

(49:34):
sometimes it doesn't all come together, so you'll have like
little pieces of the spleen around your abdomen. I think
the most I've seen is like three or four, so
five is a lot, but it's estimated. The medical journals anyway,
say that thirty percent of people, they find them in
thirty percent of autopsies, but like everyone doesn't get autopsy

(49:56):
and people don't typically have pathology with them, so the
true incidents of them are really not known because everybody
doesn't get CT scans and MRIs and stuff throughout their life,
so it's you don't really know how many. But they're
cute little things, and and what I love about it
the most is when I was doing an autopsy and
I would come across them, is when there was medical

(50:18):
students there, and I would be like, oh my god,
what do you think this is? And they they just
never knew. And then when you said it You're like,
they would say, oh, that's what that looks like, and
you're like, yeah, that's what that is. Accessory spleen. I
love how you're referring to them as cute. They're cute
because they're like little They're like a little version of
the bigger spleen. But they look the same, and if
you cut them, the tissue looks exactly the same. They're

(50:40):
just like little mini baby spleens. All right, let's move
out to the last question. If you could magically erase
all of your tattoos but one, which one would you
keep my Oh my leg, my leg, I would I
would erase my leg kind of you have to erase
all of them and keep wow, race all of them
and keep one. I don't. I don't really know, honestly, Yeah,

(51:07):
do you know do you have one that's like I don't.
I don't have one that I'm like, oh, this is
this is my favorite thing ever that I would only
want this one. But I definitely I definitely know which
ones we get rid of. No that I feel the
same way. I know which ones I get rid of. Like,
I don't think we really get tattoos for a lot

(51:30):
of people get them for like meanings or memorials something
like that, Like I don't really have any like that.
Mine are just I have a lot like that, but
I don't I don't like what am I gonna just
pick one? I have one for each of my kids.
I have a couple. Uh, I think I have a
lot with Gabe, actually five, Maybe me and Gabe have
matching ones. But so like, how do you just pick one?

(51:53):
I don't know which one is like the most special
to me in that situation. Well, I'm also looking at
loc because like a lot of them I have in
like a cohesive way, you know, So if I got
rid of all of the ones around it, it would
be like in a really awkward spot, be like rando, Yeah,
I don't know. I mean, I know we're the need

(52:15):
to rephrase this question, which one would you get rid of?
But I really don't know. Like i'd have to I'd
have to pick my kids, and I'd have to pick
three of them at least, So I don't have like
a joint one that's like all my kids. They're all
individual and two of my kids are on my neck.
I don't think, and like if I could get rid

(52:36):
of them, I probably would so I don't know, not
my kids, my tattoo is so okay. The next Grivello
over here just making statements, I don't know. Oh my god,
that case, that case is so insane. I regret suggesting
the coverage, Like listen, say to me, because I do
it on the back end, and I know that you're

(52:57):
like more of the investigator person to see and you
you always get tripped up by the criminal, and I'm
tripped up by like I can't believe how the death
investigations were so screwed up in all of these people,
Like it blows my mind because when when you guys
read this, this death, this section that we're doing over
the course of the next couple of weeks, you're just

(53:19):
gonna be like, oh my god, so many people get
murdered in the United States and get away with it.
It's just outrageous. They have to because when you when
you read this, you're just like, Okay, these people are
getting murdered and the only reason that they even found
out is because of something else, Like they almost got
away with it a lot of times. So it you know,

(53:40):
kids are a little bit different. Because we were talking
about this last episode, like somebody always is like want
to know where a kid is a missing kid? Well,
kids just don't go missing like that. And like that's
when they got tipped off to all their shit though,
like they they kind of were live in life before that,
but they got greedy and and that's how they got caught.

(54:01):
But you just have to imagine how many people are
getting away with this. It's it's insane. Well, we're really
only covering the four main murders in this case, but
there's really been I feel like seven or eight deaths
associated with this couple, and you have to I mean,
this is just real life. Though. Over time, like people die,

(54:23):
and if this case has been they've been like a
two year but they've been on the radar since twenty nineteen.
These people basically yeah for the days particular ones. So
it's just like, I mean that that was six years,
so like people might die, but like, yeah, I'm talking
in the two year period they were being like yeah,

(54:43):
like from the time things started getting weird to the
time they were arrested, like eight people died in their life,
and you have to look at that and be like,
what's happening. Yeah, I don't know that case. It's we're
covering it for three weeks, so it's clearly very involved.
We've never done a three art before, but there's just
so much. Well, Princess Diana should have been three parts,

(55:04):
but somehow I squashed it into one. So it's like
an like a freakishly long read. That one is really
long because when when you first did it, I wasn't
working with you yet and you were like, you know,
I love her, so you were like, oh, read this,
and I feel like it took like hours to read it.
I know, really, I can't even believe I whipped that

(55:25):
out in two days. I mean it was like two
eight hour shifts, but I got it out. So all right,
all right, Well, thank you guys so much. We will
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