LA Fires, Tattooed Child, Folding Chair Impales Man's Anus, Shoplifter Poops on Floor, Brook Shields' Surgery Nightmare, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Let's get started with
the story of the day. I can't believe this is
still a story this week. I definitely thought it was

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going to die down over the weekend. But we have
to talk about the LA wildfires. Yeah, we didn't really.
I think we touched on it for a second last episode,
but I mean, I don't know why you can't believe
it's not still happening today. It's going to be happening
for a while. Honestly, it's terrible, but I mean that's
the truth. Yeah, especially because I saw some warnings from

(00:49):
the fire department that the winds are going to be
really strong today and I guess throughout the rest of
the week, so they're worried about them spreading even more
at this point. Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean,
I like, Gabe tells me all the time, because I'm
asking them all the same questions that regular people are asking,
like how does this happen? And blah blah blah, and
he just you know, my husband's a firefighter for those

(01:12):
of you that don't know, and he's just constantly, like Nicole,
you don't understand how fire works and how fast it
spreads and this and that. So I mean, I don't
want to comment much on it because I just really
don't understand it. I wanted to more talk about the
deaths that are involved in how they're going about identifying
these people. So as of right now today, I mean,

(01:35):
then this is this weekend, they said that there were
twenty four or twenty five people that have died already,
and they haven't even identified all of them because some
of their bodies are so charred that they're not able
to identify them by the normal means of like looking
at their face or even maybe looking at tattoos. So
they might have to pull medical and dental records to

(01:56):
try to identify some of these victims, and it might
take a minute. Yeah, because they can't necessarily just assume
if they know a person owned the structure in which
they were found, they can't just assume it's that person, right, No, No,
absolutely not, because you never know what happens. I mean,
it just seemed like it was completely chaotic, and neighbors

(02:16):
were running to other neighbor's house. And also you just
can't assume. Just even if you find a body that
has a wallet in the pocket with an identification on it,
you can't you still can't assume it's that person. You
really have to positively identify the person. Yeah, I mean
that kind of happened in one of these cases we're
about to talk about, where two actors have now been

(02:38):
part of the deaths with the wildfires, and one of
which was a ninety five year old actress, and I
guess her granddaughter said the last day she saw her,
which was Tuesday last week when the wildfire started breaking out,
and then she didn't know for sure until Sunday that
her grandmother had died after they found remains in her home. Yeah,
that sucks. I mean, the one about the younger guy

(02:59):
is such a terrible story. Yeah. So that actress I
was just referring to. Her name was de Leise Curry.
So that's really unfortunate to have passed away in such
a horrific thing. She was an extra in Blues Brothers
Lady Sings the Blues and the Ten Commandments. And then
the other actor that has passed away was child actor
Rory Sykes. He was only thirty two years old. He

(03:19):
died in the Palisades fire. It seemed like he tried
to evacuate and couldn't get out, and his mom saying
that he ended up dying from carbon monoxide poisoning instead
of burning. Well, I'm not really sure that he tried
to get out because he had cerebral palsy, and I
guess his mom was saying that. So they have a
big house, try to understand that because they have seventeen

(03:44):
acres in Malibu there, Like my house is on less
than one acre, So it's just hard to imagine having
a property that big. But there was a guest house
on the land where the son was living. And he's
not a he's not very mobile, and he is also blind,
so he has cerebral palsy and he's blind. And the

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mom said that she had tried, she couldn't pick them
up and move them because her arm was broken. I mean,
she's an older woman, and she said she called nine
one one, couldn't get a hold of nine one one,
So her only option was to try to get in
the car and drive to the fire station and try

(04:24):
to get help to get her son. And by the
time she got back with the firefighters, the guesthouse that
he was staying in had already burnt to the ground.
It's just absolutely horrible because it's you know, everybody's going
through this situation at once. There's hundreds of thousands of
people evacuating the same area. So obviously the standard emergency

(04:46):
services we would have available are just not there. There's
just too much and it's scary to think, like this
could happen in America. But like, how many times over
the past couple of years have we said that at
this point, so we you know, we assumed that if
we call nine on one that someone's gonna come, But
that doesn't always mean anything. And it sucks because this
mom is getting like a lot of shit online. I

(05:08):
don't know if you've seen any of these stories about her,
but so many people are saying, how could you leave
your child to burn to death? And you know, just
think horrible things like that, and you kind of go
back and forth because as a mom, I sit there
and say, like, I don't care if my kid was
thirty years old, Like if it was you, I have

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a thirty year old, right, Like if you were stuck somewhere,
I wouldn't survive and you would you know you wouldn't
you know what I mean Like that, It just makes
you think you could never just leave your child like that.
But I think in the situation, it was so chaotic
that she just which you hear from so many people

(05:48):
that are getting interviewed on the news, they just like
didn't know what to do because clearly the whole entire
city was really under prepared for an event this tragic
to be happening. So there wasn't a plan in place
for a lot of people to just say, calmly, like,
this is what we're going to do in this situation,
Like you call nine one fire company doesn't come. You

(06:10):
know that water puts out the fire. You're trying to
find somebody to come put the fire out, and you
can't move the person. I think in the frantic moment,
that's why she left the kid. But a lot of
people are just saying really nasty things like she had
life insurance on the kid and this and that, and
didn't want to take care of him anymore because of
you know, his disabilities and this and that. So I

(06:32):
don't think it's fair to say that, But the internet
is just filled with you know, the most scummy trolls
of the earth. Ever, so it's expected any single time
a story is told. And this mom like lost her
freaking kid, and you know, the story she tells makes sense.
I personally think like I would stay with my kid.

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But also when you're faced with a fire getting ready
to burn you to death as well, you might not
do that, you know what I mean? Yeah, I think
I think a lot of people are quick to judge
and they don't know what they would do in this situation.
I mean, I was reading some newsletter the other day
that was basically going over like if you want your
insurance payout or whatever, if you're if your policy wasn't canceled,

(07:17):
because I don't know if it's worth noting that these
insurance companies canceled a lot of people's fire insurance before
this happened. But basically they're like, before you leave your house,
you need to go through your whole house with your
phone and video every single room and all your drawers
and all your cabinets. And I'm like, who is thinking
to do that when it's a life or death situation
It's five minutes to get I think just and maybe

(07:39):
this is because I'm married to a firefighter, Like, I
think that that's a good idea for every single person
to do, no matter what, because your house could catch
on fire. My house could catch on fire, and if
you don't have documentation of all of these items in
your house, Like I'm sitting in my office right now,
and I look around and I'm like, I don't really
have anything that's of any worth in here necessarily, But

(08:02):
at the same time, I probably spent you know, hundreds,
if not thousands of dollars between the furniture and the
this and the that, Like everything adds up right well
when I submit to when I put in a claim
to the insurance, Like, how are they gonna know that
I'm not making up the things that I did have
in my house, you know what I mean? So you literally,

(08:23):
I should have documentary. Every person should do that. I'm
just saying, not at the time, but like prior, you know,
I'm just saying, I think it's a little easier to
do that when like a hurricane is coming or something
and you have lots of notice that you can evacuate everything.
But it seems like with these fires, you have maybe
twenty minutes, maybe a couple of hours at most to

(08:46):
get things and get out of there. So I don't.
I just think it slips a lot of people's minds. Yeah,
I get that, but like the whole point is is
to be you don't need notice. Something might not ever
happen for the forty years you live in your life.
But this whole entire lesson of this fire is like
you're supposed to prepare before the thing actually comes. It's

(09:07):
called preparing, not you know, not reacting, but acting prior
to this happening, you know what I mean. So but
I understand, like, you know, okay, maybe a bad fire
is going to happen today, but like you should just
always Maybe that's my mind too, of working in the
hospital with universal precautions, just like treat every single patient
as if they're they have like HIV and heptic and

(09:30):
just like the worst stuff ever, because then you're always safe.
Kind of you don't have to be in a position
like that. Let's say, for argument's sake, though, I'm just
you know, taking this advice. And I go through my
whole house today and I video my entire house, and
then a tornado comes through in two months and wipes
my whole house out. Are they going to accept a
video from two months before, or does it need to

(09:51):
be the same exact week the naturally Now I think
that I think that that's proof of your belongings. I don't.
I don't think that they would. It's better to have
that than nothing. That's how I look at it. I'm
just curious how the whole process starts. But anyway, of course,
the big question is how did this happen? So it
seems like most of these wildfires start, of course from

(10:13):
dry conditions and mostly due to lightning. So I thought
that was really interesting. But now they're really looking into
what caused these fires because there wasn't one fire, which
is worth noting. There were several fires, and two of
them have been really significant. The Pacific Palisades fire has
been really really horrific, and then they eat and fire
has been equally as bad, which is contributing to even

(10:35):
more deaths than the first fire. So think about this.
They just keep breaking out and now there's risks of
even more so, of course, how are these starting, And
there's a question of maybe there was some faulty electrical
wiring that might have started one of the fires. But
of course there's concerns of arson as well. Well, yeah,
I heard that they're investigating that one of the fires,

(10:56):
the electrical grid wasn't turned off. Particularly they eat and fire.
So that's I mean so much that's going to be
coming out over the next couple of weeks and months
about this. But this is really interesting. And let me
tell you this because I was saying this. You know,
obviously Gabe and I have been talking about this a lot,
and he said, one time at his firehouse, someone set

(11:20):
a fire, so all of the guys left the firehouse
to go to the fire and then when they got back,
their firehouse was robbed. So they purposely set a fire.
It was an arson fire. They purposely set it to
get the guys to leave so they could break into
the firehouse and steal their stuff. So just think about
that on a larger scale, just because we know that

(11:41):
there's there's this high like some of it actually looks
like it's like a professional job of looting as far
as you're hearing reports of like cars getting dropped off
of people and doing this, and that you're hearing some
of the looters are actually wearing firefighter uniforms, so that
blend in with the first responders on the scene and stuff,

(12:03):
so maybe it's a well orchestrated thing. I don't know,
it's so gross to think that someone would purposely be
setting a fire. But there's plenty of people that are
haters and jealous of all these people that have houses
and have nothing to live for. They might not even
live there, and they're just there to be an opportunist.

(12:25):
You know. Well, I've been seeing a lot online that,
you know, throwing out there that arson could be the
cause of these fires is highly offensive to a ton
of people, and I don't understand why. It's just a
conversation we can't have about why that's a possibility. I mean,
two people have been arrested for setting small fires. It's
not you know, this investigation is going to take a while.

(12:47):
They might not know for sure what caused it for
a little bit. But I don't understand why people are
getting so upset. I mean, we just had these two
terrorist attacks last week, or I guess the one known
terrorist attack, and then the cyber truck exploding in Vegas.
I just don't think it's that far fetch that somebody
could do that. Well, everybody's looking to push their agenda

(13:07):
and everybody's looking to blean somebody because it's just hard
to accept that an entire I mean I don't even
live there, right, but it's just hard to accept that
an entire city is burning down. It's as just a
person that lives there and just thinking about them and

(13:28):
the high prices they pay for their house and the taxes,
and you're just like, where's all this money going? There's
just so many questions. But I mean, it's nothing you
and I are going to figure out, right now, you
know what I mean. Like, it's just it's it's just
fricking terrible. I don't know what to say. I mean,
I keep hearing about how big it is, and think
about our town. It would just be like if my

(13:51):
entire town was burned all the way to your town,
which is, you know, twenty or twenty five minutes away
from here. It's just to think of all those people
losing their house, It's something I can't even wrap my
brain around. Then you just want to be like, who
the fuck is responsible for this? You know what I mean? Yeah,
And by what I just said, I'm not saying like
I'm not trying to have my tinfoil hat on and

(14:12):
like say that's definitely what happened or anything. But I
think the fact that people are getting so upset by
that suggestion is ridiculous because every whatever, you know, people
think one way, people think another way. Whatever, that's that's
not our show. So like, yeah, exactly, So I agree though,
Like it's it's completely it's completely ridiculous. There's people that

(14:36):
have video of people setting things on fire. It's it's
just not out of the realm of possibility. And at
this point, because it seems like it's been kind of
a shit show, you just have to kind of raise
every question and be like, what the fuck is going
on here? Like what's happening? So yeah, I mean, I
guess this is the trade off. If you live in California, right,

(14:58):
It's like, most of the time you have the most
perfect weather and everything's awesome and they have all these
cool unique things out there, but you have to deal
with a plethora of natural disaster. No, you have to
deal with a horrible political environment and natural disasters including wildfires,
mud slides, and you know, huge earthquakes. No thanks, I
think I'd rather just stay in my shitty New Jersey

(15:21):
with our gray sky right now and at least it's
like a little bit more like it's very dramatic, and
I don't like drama. It gives me like anxiety to
think about living in a situation like that. But I
mean you've been there, right, like you totally see why
people want to live there. I think we're blessed living
in New Jersey because it only looks nice like five

(15:41):
days a year here really that it's like the temperature's nice,
you go outside, it's beautiful, it's not too like swamp ass,
and it's not freezing cold, and it's not gray scot
you know, so we're not used to it. So for
us to have to move to another location won'n't be
as bad. But people living in Malibu and stuff, like,
they don't want to move because they see like the
ultimate paradise every single day when they look outside. You know, no, absolutely,

(16:06):
and like we get you know, wildfires slightly because we
don't live that far from like the pine bearings and stuff.
So it is a possibility around here, but it just
happens and had such great magnitude out there. I just
wonder if you reach a point when you live there
where you're like, do I want to keep living in
this with the possibility of these horrific things happening. So
it's so crazy for me to think that it hasn't

(16:27):
rained there in like two hundred days, over two hundred days,
I think it was like two hundred and thirty or
seventy or something days. That's just so outrageous to me.
But and here it didn't rain for the whole month
of October, and we thought that that was like the
craziest shit we ever saw in our life, you know.
And yeah, that was just like thirty days or forty days,

(16:48):
whatever it ended up being. And we also have to
talk about how horrible the air quality is there, because
not only is La famous for having smug and just
poor air quality pretty much all the time, but now
when I was talking to Gabe about it, he was like,
not only is it bad to breathe in so much
like burning trees, natural things, right, but now you have
burning building materials, and you have lithian ion batteries from

(17:11):
all the electric cars they use out there. Yeah, abstos
to all this. That's why they're telling people not to
go to their house and go through it. There's and
there's also I think the fire retardant is pretty much safe,
but there's also concerns with that as well. And if
you've seen the pictures online, there's people's houses that are
like sprayed hot pink from the fire retardant, the ones

(17:34):
that didn't burn down, you know. So yeah, I don't
know if it's necessarily a great idea to be touching
that kind of stuff, but listen, like, if my house
burnt down, I'm going to my fucking house and getting
my shit. Like I'm not letting someone else go in
my house and take the rest of my stuff that
didn't burn That's just you know what I mean, Like,
it's just it's kind of dick to just tell people

(17:57):
that they and of course it's to say when it's
not you that lost your house, you know, I did.
I don't know if you saw this story, but I
saw that a couple firefighters, if they were able to
go in a house and save the house, they were
going in and taking like family pictures they saw and
keeping them in a bin to try to preserve them,
which is cool. I don't know how you would recover

(18:19):
those items, but it's cool. The thought behind it is
cool because obviously people are losing everything they have, so
and you know, I see a lot of criticism because
obviously a lot of celebrities are losing their home and
very wealthy people and everything, But some people in these
neighborhoods are just regular people that don't have a chance
to just have four homes and can just go to
their other one. Yeah, it's it's interesting because you hear

(18:42):
about like the the Rory Sykes guy that you were
talking about, and like they have a seventeen acre property
on a cliff in Malibu, right, But when you look
at the devastation of the photos, it looks like our
neighborhoods just like normal suburban neighborhoods with house after house
close together, normal people, you know, nurses, teachers that, you know,

(19:05):
people that are just like regular blue collar people. You
can't just and I hope that doesn't make people think
differently because they just even if everybody was rich, it's
kind of messed up to not feel bad for the situation.
I mean, even rich people, you know, they could eat,
like listen, it's a lot easier for them to rebuild

(19:27):
and everything. But like losing all of your stuff is
is like taking away a part of you. It's very
invasive and some people only have like their car and
their shirt on their back or something. You know, it's
just it's all stuff. But I have stuff. I have
my grandmom's stuff, like just stuff you can't ever get back,
you know. Yeah, I have, Like all of the flowers

(19:48):
gabes ever given me in my house dried like they
would burn up. And that just makes me sad. I
like to look at them because he's been given them
to me for fifteen years or whatever, you know, you
know what I mean. Yeah, it's just sad. All right,
let's move on to some other well celebrity news. All right. So,
Brookshields has a memoir coming out today, and in early interviews,

(20:12):
she revealed that she had had this consultation with a
surgeon because she wanted to get a labia plastic alibia
plasti procedure that I knew I was gonna mess say
that up. It's like one of those words. I just
not that I have to say lavia plasty. I was like,
how often are you saying lavia plasty? Whenever I have
to say it, I tend to mess it up. Anyway,
She was going in for a consultation for labia plasti procedure.

(20:34):
She said she was experiencing a lot of discomfort down there,
so she goes forward with the surgery. She says, for
medical reasons, not for ascetic reasons. And then when she
woke up from the procedure, the surgeon revealed a little surprise. Yeah,
so a lot a labia plast Now you're having me site.
That's what I'm saying. Alabia plasty is when they removed

(20:54):
the labia minora, which are the which is the layman's
turns as the inner lips of the vult surrounding the vagina,
And a lot of times women have to get that procedure.
Sometimes women want to get it because the labia could
be uneven and they just want to get it for
cosmetic reasons. But a lot of times it could really
get in the way of having sex. Sometimes it could
be so big that it could like rub on your

(21:16):
pants and stuff. So she's saying that that was more
of the reason that she wanted to get it done
because she was having an uncomfortable area down there, And
a vaginoplasty is a little bit different, and they could
do it all sorts of different ways, but they basically
like tighten up the vagina and it could get That's
again another one that could be cosmetic because you just

(21:37):
want your vagina to be tighter for sexual pleasure and stuff.
But women could also have issues that they need vaginoplasty
for other things, like when you have a baby, it
gets stretched out and you could sometimes have What happens
is that like your bladder starts falling down because your
pelvic muscles get weak, and you hear a lot of time.

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I mean, honestly, like it happens to me. If I
remember we brought the kids to a trampoline park and
and you know, I still feel young. I want to
I want to do things, and I jump on the
trampoline and I'm like, shit, I just pissed myself. Like
I just jumped up once and was like, oh cool.
But I've had three babies come through my vagina, so
this shit is just like lucy ucy down there, right.

(22:22):
So that's that's probably like the doctor saw that when
he was in there and was just like, hey, let
me just fix this up for her because like everybody
wants to have a tighter edge kind of thing, and
she just felt when she came out of surgery, he
thought like he was doing a good thing for her, like, hey,
I gave you like a twofer and and she was

(22:44):
just kind of like, dude, you didn't ask me if
I wanted that done, and I might not have wanted
that done. And honestly, I don't blame her for being pissed,
because whenever I think about doing any kind of surgery
on the genitals, it makes me very nervous because it
could cause you to lose sexual sensation, which would be

(23:05):
the worst thing ever. So like when I had my
tummy tuck done, when I touched certain parts of my
abdomen and my belly, like I can't feel my skin
that much, And like to think that that's a possibility
of having any kind of surgery down there, especially without
your consent, is like it's invasive, you know. So to

(23:29):
think that this surgeon just thought it'd be like, okay,
well Marty down there, so I'm just gonna throw in
vaginal rejuvenation surgery, Like what what does that surgery do?
Exactly like that one? Why would he think this is
a good idea? Because he was I don't really know.
I don't really know exactly what he did because the
word vaginal plasty can involve like all these different things.

(23:52):
You could do it with like CO two lasers, and
you could do it with radio frequency treatment, or you
could do it with surgery. Like I don't know exactly
what he did, but I think he thought. He was like, hey,
I I saw and it could be it could be
that medically. He thought that because if she was saying

(24:12):
she was having let's say, for example, she had the
laby of plasty dumb, because she was saying she had
sex and it was uncomfortable for her, maybe he thought
that if he tightened up her vagina too, like that
would increase her sexual pleasure and would make it less uncomfortable.
It might not have been like, oh you're you're you know,
your posty look kind of sloppy. I sewed it up tighter,
like I don't think. I don't know that that was

(24:33):
the angle, even though that that's how she felt. It
kind of was the way she explains it was. He
was like, pretty like I threw this in for you,
like a two for one deal basically right, Like, I
don't know, it seemed like he just thought to do it.
But I guess the bottom line is if you go
in for one procedure, you should not be getting too
against your will. Yeah, and again, like this is this

(24:56):
is the whole thing I talk about all the time
with celebrities, is this VIP treatment. Like doctors just act
kind of dumb around celebrities and they do shit that
they just wouldn't normally do. And like I'm telling you
right now, if I went in to get that done,
they're sure as hell not gonna come to me later
and be like, guess what I gave you a little favor,
Like it's just like, but you're touching Brooks Shields vagina

(25:18):
for christ sakes, Like they just geek out and just
don't do the normal things that they would do for
normal people. So that's probably what happened that she was
kind of so embarrassed by it that she never she
never even said anything about it, which I'm kind of like, no,
you really should have because that was well, she didn't
pursue any legal action, which I'm thinking, you know, like

(25:40):
TMZ is like parked outside of the courthouse, right, So
anytime a lawsuit is filed, especially like Los Angeles or
New York or something, they know pretty much minutes later. Yeah,
and and like you don't really want, you don't really
want the news like talking about your vagina and stuff.
But then she's talking about it in a book. But
I guess this is you. It's her right though, Yeah,

(26:01):
it's her talk about it in her book and reveal
it after she's had time to process what happened her
because she she said it was essentially like getting sexually assaulted. Yeah,
I mean, it's very avasive. If anything happens to you,
if you're under anesthesia that you didn't agree to, it's
it's not cool, like no, no matter what, no matter
what it is. Even if it was like I don't

(26:23):
even know, like some kind of endoscopy procedure or something,
you would still be like, you're you touched my body
when I was under anesthesia. That's so invasive, you know.
And I don't think she clarified whether or not she
had damage from it at all. But what if that
went really poorly and then she had no more sexual
sensation or anything down there? Yeah, I don't know, I
don't know. I mean I understand why she definitely didn't

(26:46):
want to say anything. I think she saw it as
something that was really embarrassing and she didn't want any
further attention on it. But I wonder if there's a
statute of limitations on things like this, because I personally
think that she should pursue legal action. I don't think
doctors should be doing things without the consent of their patients. Yeah,
I don't. I don't know what the what the statue

(27:07):
is for stuff like that, but I agree. Okay, freak accidents,
these are two really good ones. All right. So this
fifty one year old guy was sitting on a folding
chair in his bathroom. Suddenly the chair collapsed, which caused
him to fall on this metal pipe which impaled his anus. Yeah,
so it was it wasn't. I don't know why the

(27:28):
story really describes it as being a pipe. It's the
it's the leg of the chair that impelled him. That
was confusing me too, because when you're reading the headline,
it seems like it was the chair that impaled him,
But the way they have the article written as if
like it like the pipe coming out pipe. Yeah, that's
what I read too, And then I I, you know,
this is the problem because every single time I see

(27:49):
an article by like Dally Mail or something, You're just like,
who the who the hell is summarizing these medical journals
because they're terrible at it. But yeah, I mean, think
about a folding chair. They have metal legs. He somehow
fell over on it and it like it went up
his butthole and punctured his rectum and went through and
punctured his iliac vein. And what happens is what is

(28:14):
an iliac vein. It's one of your veins that's like
lower down that is going towards your legs, So it's
your iliac crest is like where your pelvic bone is,
like you think of your pelvis. It's a vein that's there,
so that that one is bringing blood back up from
the legs to the heart. So the veins bring blood

(28:35):
to the heart and arteries bring blood from the heart.
So the arteries are bringing oxygenated blood. Like let's say
it goes down and it goes into the iliac artery,
which is going to supply the light the legs with oxygen,
but the veins are bringing it back. So veins typically,
if you injure a vein, it's it's still bad, but

(28:56):
they don't bleed anywhere near as much as an artery
because the artery are like they have muscles in them,
and if they get punctured and the heart is just
pumping out that blood every time the heart pumps, it's
just gonna like squirt through every single time the blood pumps,
whereas the veins are kind of like a slower feed
back to the heart. So what happened was this thing

(29:18):
punctured this vein and it started the blood started leaking out,
and it formed like this really big clot around it,
and then that clot kind of sealed off the leak,
So there was a lot of blood at the scene,
but it stopped bleeding eventually, so he got brought to
the hospital with the leg of the chair like still
impaled in his anus. And when he got to the hospital,

(29:41):
they were able to see that that bleed, they were
able to repair it. They were able to repair the
punctured rectum, and then they were able to repair the
punctured vein and luckily it didn't go any further and
hit the artery, which is kind of right next to it,
because if it did, that would have absolutely killed him,
because that's really a it's it's a pretty major artery

(30:02):
right off of the A order, so if it gets injured,
it will bleed really fast if it got injured, so
he he had some complications afterwards, but he survived. They
when they repaired the rectum, they had to give him
a colostomy bag, which is when they have to reroute
your poop outside of your body while it heals, while

(30:22):
they're while Why the surgery heals that they did just
because if you get like a really large hole in
your colon, for example, and you just sew it up
and then food starts going right through it, it might
rip right open. Because think about like how vigorous it
is if you push and poop and stuff like that,

(30:43):
Like you could blow the hole open. So they like
it to heal first when they do that kind of
a surgery. This is just such an unfortunate event. I mean,
as most of the freak accidents we cover are. But
to think you're just like chilling in a chair and
then the chair ends up pruting you and then you're
in the hospital for eleven days. Then he gets out,
then he has a blood clot, then he has to

(31:04):
go back. It's like a whole thing. Yeah, And it
seems like when it happened, he like he was unconscious,
like he passed out and someone found him laying there
bleeding with this chair like sticking in him an hour
after it happened. Imagine sitting there for a full hour
before somebody find you. And he had a large blood clot,

(31:25):
so he did lose a substantial amount of blood, which
would which would not feel good, you know what I mean.
But luckily it clotted very nicely and like sealed off
that leak. Just to imagine to being a first responder
showing up with it, like having to deal with that,
and they had to keep it in because what happens

(31:45):
if if they pulled it out, like they could have
dislodged that clot and it would have caused him to
bleed out, you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's
good that he survived. What a crazy story to tell
your grandkids, right, Oh my god? Yeah? All right. So
in China, this little girl was taking ski lessons at
the resort and at some point ended up on a chairlift,
and then people, a couple I guess a couple gondolas

(32:08):
behind her suddenly saw this small child dangling from the chair.
They're mind you. In this video, there seems to be
like two or three other people on the same chairlift
as this small child, they don't realize she's falling seemingly
and then eventually she loses her grip and falls forty
feet below. I would have dropped d seeing a child
laying like that, Like I just those things are terrifying

(32:31):
to me, and I'm glad that they said that this
isn't the first time this happened, and smaller children are
more at risk because the arm of the gondola doesn't
go down enough. And you know, we went on that
one once and I was just like with the kids,
and I seriously was like, I will never ever put
my children on this thing again. It's so scary. Well, yeah,
so I actually wrote an article in the gross room

(32:53):
about this, called death lift because I so we went
to Anakisa and Gatlinburg, Tennessee, and they have this chairlift. Well,
a couple of the different parks there have chairlifts you
could take up to the mountain. So when we were
there a week before my honeymoon, somebody had jumped off
of one to take their own life. So I was

(33:14):
starting to research all other incidents that could happen on
these things, and it is very common that people can
just slip out of them. I was thinking at ski
resorts too, it's snowing and it's probably really wet. I
don't understand why children are just allowed on these because
the bar is barely holding you in. When I was
there on my honeymoon, these people sitting in front of
us had a three year old that was having a

(33:36):
temper tantrum on one, which was giving me a heart attack.
I want to have a temper tantrum on one. I
don't know, like when we went on it, nobody really said, like,
hold on to your child. I thought for some reason
that it was going to tip back so far that
it would have been impossible. But really you have to

(33:56):
rely on your child holding on and not letting go
and not slipping under it. Because they're so small they
could really slip under. And I just, I mean, you know,
like I always freak out over everything, but I don't know.
I just I didn't like it. I didn't think it
was safe. And when I see this kid hanging from
this thing forty feet in the air, what's amazing is

(34:19):
that apparently the kid like hit a bunch of trees
on the way down and the snow and that's what
kind of braced her fall. And she has minimal injuries,
which is which is great to hear. But who was
in the gondola with her, because it doesn't even look
like they noticed that their child was hanging from the thing,
That's what I'm saying. And the report was saying that

(34:40):
she was taking ski lessons, So I'm wondering if it
was the instructor, But why isn't the instructor paying attention
to the adult is not freaking out that a child's
is hanging like they're If you look at the video,
the kid's hanging by like her arm from the bottom
of the gondola, and the two people's feet are straight
ahead like they're having a conversation and don't even notice
that this child how those things rock so bad at

(35:02):
the slightest movie, you don't realize an entire child is
trying to bear her entire weighting on for dear life.
That's what it looks like, right, because if they, in
my opinion, if they were sitting there and saw it,
they would be hanging over trying to pull her in. Exactly.
It looks like nobody was even I don't even know.
It just was fucking weird. Listen, and this this didn't

(35:24):
happen in under five seconds where she just slipped out
so fast. I mean it was enough time for her
to be dangling and somebody a couple cars behind her
to take out their phone and video her, then hanging
there for another five to ten seconds before eventually slipping,
So she was definitely there long enough that somebody else
on the chair should have realized she slipped out of
the seat and was dangling on it. This is so

(35:45):
unacceptable to me. And it was at this ski resort
in China. And furthermore, all of these resorts have gondolas,
which are in closed structures that elderly people and children
should go into for this very reason. Yeah, fuck that.
I don't know, Like, I was just thinking about my honeymoon.
And then when I wrote the article, there was one

(36:07):
guy that slipped out of one and he was like
pants basically hanging upside down with his bare bumb hanging out.
Really they had to rescue him like that, Oh my god,
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let's get into true crime. This story is truly unbelievable.
So in Arizona, this family brought their nine year old
child to a tattoo shop to get tattooed, and the
shop did it, and now obviously they're facing much backlash

(37:11):
for it. I thought this story was fake. I'm not
lying to you. I was like, there's no way that
this happened. I cannot believe it. And sure enough, it's
not against law apparently in Arizona to tattoo a child
with parental consent, they have to have parental consent. But
it is absolutely ridiculous that there's no age gap with that.

(37:32):
I mean, why is this not allowed? And so it's
just up to the tattoo artists to make a moral
decision whether they're gonna do it or not, and the
kid wanted to get a picture of Donald Trump on
their neck, I guess, and then the tattoo artists acted
like the hero that he talked her out of it
and put an American flag on her arm instead. I

(37:53):
just like it seriously seems like a fake story that
you're going to tattoo a little kid. It should be again,
those parents should go to fucking jail. Seriously, that's it's
child abuse, you know. So the tattoo artists is claiming
the families from Turkey and they told him it was
a tradition for their family to get tattoo. Well it's
not here. I mean, I feel like you could argue

(38:15):
it's a tradition in our family that we all get tattooed.
It doesn't mean we're gonna bring le Gi into the
tattoo shop and just get her whatever she wants. Absolutely not.
And like it's tradition in other countries to do really
weird shit with children, like marry them and stuff. So
I'm sorry, but like we don't do that here, and
that's child abuse. It is. It's child abuse, That's how
I look at it. That kid is not of sound

(38:37):
mind to make a decision to do something permanent on
their body like that, not to mention that the tattoo
fucking sucks. It's just stupid. I don't understand the like
how they're with the law situation is, how is this
not clearly a stad The tattoo artist is seriously like
such a scumbag just for using this to get publicity,

(38:57):
that's all it is. It's like some some total media whore,
that's all it is. And it's child abuse they they
are the parents should be in trouble for child abuse
and the tattoo artists should get in trouble for injuring
a child. So this is the thing. This kid comes
in twenty twenty three, which is when they take this
video of him doing the tattoo. She comes back in

(39:18):
twenty four for a touch up, and then he goes
on his Instagram account and has posted this video telling
basically if people want to unfollow him, they can fuck off.
So he seems proud by the fact that he did
this and is justifying it that it was a family
tradition and he did nothing wrong. And the youngest person
he's usually tattoo, who's fifteen years old, But he didn't
think twice about doing the nine year old. I mean

(39:40):
what you shouldn't have a fifteen year old either. There
should be no parental consent to hurt your child period,
like a permanent decision for your child. No, no parental
consent because I'm not in control of like Lillian or
Lucia's body like that, you know what I mean. It's
just it's I don't like it. It's just when they

(40:01):
get older, they can make the decision to do it.
You don't need a tattoo, you don't. You could wait
till you're eighteen years old, and even when you're eighteen,
you could probably interview a million people that were older
than eighteen that got tattoos that regretted them. Imagine being
nine years old and having that. Really, it's just it's
not cool. It's inappropriate for a child to have a

(40:22):
tattoo at all. I mean, like you're saying, they're way
too young to be making a permanent decision about their
body like that. Not to mention it's a shitty piece
of art that's gonna live on her body forever. I mean,
I'm not against an American flag tattoo at all. It's
just not he's not a good artist, but besides the fact,
it's just like if I got a tattoo when I
was nine years old, I straight up would have got

(40:44):
a fucking cabbage patch sleeve. Like come on, They're like,
what decision do you make when you're nine years old
to get that? And they originally walked in because the
child wanted a portrait of a person on their neck,
Like what the fuck? Seriously, like, what is wrong with
people to think of how small a child's neck is

(41:05):
and to do a portrait like that. It's just like, what,
what is the what are the parents thinking? This is serious?
I agree with you. I think this is a serious
child abuse. Even though it's technically not illegal, we really
have to look at the ethics behind this because it
is just not okay. I hate lawmakers to even have
to sit in a session to make a law against this,
but like, this is just common sense to me. I

(41:27):
just don't I don't understand. It's not like even a
piercing you'd be like, okay, well they could take it out,
you know what I mean? This is like a big
deal to me, Yeah, of course it is. It's horrible.
I don't know, I really truly, I wonder what's gonna
come of this like you. I thought this was fake

(41:48):
because I've seen plenty of videos on TikTok and Instagram
where people are pretending to tattoo children or they put
like stencils on them, right, because those are harmless. But
to actually tattoo a child hurt like, that's not that's
just like not even a child just doesn't understand, Like
they look at a picture or they look at an
adult with a tattoo and they think it's cool. It

(42:09):
looks like a like a sticker. They just don't understand.
It's just kind of it's just not necessary not to
mention that there could be complications, there could be allergies
to the ink, there could be infections. It's just it's
just completely irresponsible to put that on a child that
doesn't even need that. It's just not necessary. I just

(42:30):
don't know what anybody's thinking. And to defend your actions,
I mean, first of all, if you didn't want to backlash,
you wouldn't have taken a video and posted it online.
And he wanted. He's a media whore. He wanted. He
wants attention. Yeah, obviously he's also reposting any coverage people
are talking about. It so well, Hi repost us. Yeah,

(42:50):
you suck all right. So this next story is a
little bit of comic relief. In Florida, this couple went
to a family dollar in order to shop and to
distract the employees, the women decided to go in one
of the aisles and poop on the floor, while ironically,
her significant other filled a shopping cart with five hundred

(43:10):
dollars worth of cleaning supplies. If if you and I
were out one day and I was like little like, uh,
I say, I'm starting to be like my father. I'm
calling you my children all the wrong names. I almost
called you Lilian Maria. If we went to the store
and I was like, let's rob the store. I'm gonna
take a shit and you're going to go steal cleaning products.

(43:33):
Like I don't think I could just walk in a
store and just like pull down my pants and poop
on command like that. Well clearly some people can and
it happened. Is there a video of this, because I
want to say it. So they're being referred to as
mister Clean and miss Dookie, which is hilarious. But they're
saying anyone with information is asked to contact police because

(43:54):
they don't have them. I love it. This is so
fucked up for the employees to have have to clean
up human shit. I don't feel bad. I had to
clean up human shit at ACME when I work there.
Why because someone pooped in the bait. I don't even
understand how this happened, but they pooped. They must have
been squatting over the toilet. It bounced off of the seat,

(44:15):
so it left a giant skid mark on the toilet seat,
and then it fell on the floor and my manager
came up to me and told me to clean it up,
and there was like nothing for me to clean it
up with. I tried to get a snowshovel because that
was the only thing I could pick it up, and
it was like it was like this hardened case of
poop and when I hit it with the snowshovel, it

(44:35):
like melted, like it just like smeared all over the place.
And I'm like, I was like, I'm not cleaning this up.
Which is hilarious because I ended up. This was when
I was like fifteen years old or whatever, but I
ended up having a career having my elbows up and
shit almost every day. But I was getting paid a
lot more, and I kind of knew what I was
getting into with that job, but I don't understand. I've

(44:58):
seen it a couple times since that. You see like
poop on the floor in a public bathroom and you're
just like, I don't understand how it gets on the floor. Well,
do you have to go to the bathroom in one
of the you know, diarrhea Havens, which is Michael's Home
Goods or Target, And then you just see somebody had
explosive diarrhea that's like all over the wall and like
and you're just like, how how did this even happen? Well,

(45:19):
actually I have a story about that too. So so
one of my kids, I won't say what which one
we were at. We were at a sporting center and
she was like, my belly hurts, and I'm like okay,
and then she's like I have to go to the bathroom.
And I'm like, can you wait five minutes because I
think one of the other kids was having a game

(45:41):
or something, so she was like, yeah, we go to
the bathroom and she's like I really have to go.
So I said okay. So we run in the bathroom
and she's like pulling down her pants and I hear
this like literal gas explosion, like you know what I mean?
And I went in the bathroom. I was like, what
just happened? Like it was allowed to come out of

(46:02):
such a little heini, you know what I mean? And
I was like, what just happened? And there was poop
all over the wall, all over the toilet like it
looked like an explosion. And I was just like, oh
my god. Like I cleaned it up because I thought like,
oh God, this little employee teenager that's gonna work here,
is gonna have to come here. You're a good person,
and you cleaned it up. A majority of people do not.

(46:24):
I just never seen anything like that. It was it
was an explosion. Actually I know there wasn't a baby.
It was like she was a kid, but it was
like it's funny. We make fun of her about it
all the time now, but it I just was like,
I've never seen anything like that in my life. Because
she just couldn't get to the seat enough that it
was it looked like like blood spatter, like you would

(46:45):
do an analysis on it. It was that bad all
over the place. It was insane, like up on the wall.
I was finding in the craziest places. Actually, you know
where I've seen that explosive diary of the most like
that is at Barnes and Noble. Well they always are had, yeah,
because they have the mixture of the bright white lights
and then they have the coffee and then aml stood
in there and yeah, exacting exactly. It's like a triple

(47:10):
threat there, totally. Okay. Back in twenty fourteen, really disturbing
news broke that these two twelve year olds had lured
their friend into the woods and stabbed her nineteen times. Well,
one of the girls stabbed her nineteen times while the
other one cheered the other one on. And apparently this
was also apped's this fictional online character named slender Man.
Remember when this was going down. Yeah, so, and they

(47:32):
were I guess the biggest fact to note in this
case is that they were all twelve years old. Twelve twelve,
which may change your mind or may not change your
mind on the outcome. So so why are we talking
about this today? Okay, so just really quick. Luckily, the
victim did survive the attack, which is unbelievable and really

(47:54):
scary to think that a twelve year old had to
go through this. But after the attacks. Both girls their
names were Anissa, and they were put in a Wisconsin
psychiatric hospital. So in twenty twenty one, and Nissa had
been discharged from the hospital to live with her father,
and now Morgan, who was the stabber, not the cheerleader,
is getting released from the psychiatric hospital as well. Did

(48:15):
they interview the girl that was the victim and ask
her how she felt about her getting released? I know
she made a couple of public appearances back in twenty nineteen,
but I don't know if she's been necessarily interviewed since
their release information's coming out. I don't know how you
would feel about this, knowing this happened to you. It's

(48:35):
really hard for me. It's really hard for me to
wrap my head around this because my middle kid is
almost twelve, so I know all of her friends and
the mentality of children like that. I honestly think that
something can be wrong with people when they're born and
they're just born baddie, and they could be bad kids

(48:57):
like Jeffrey Dahmer was a child at some point, you
know what I mean, like and was probably just like
this tainted child that there was no chance of doing
rehabilitation with wh when I think about all of the
twelve year olds that I know in my life, this
is not going to happen with any of them. So
there's something fundamentally wrong with a child that is twelve

(49:19):
years old that's even thinking about harming a person and
then actually carries it out, And that girl would be
dead if they stab ther in the right place. It's
just by luck that the kid's not dead. So when
you look at this one that's about to get released, like,
she looks off, she looks off, like I'm sorry, Like

(49:41):
it just doesn't sit well with me. At the same time,
I understand she's twelve. Like, can you put a kid
that's twelve years old in jail for the rest of
her life? I don't know, But I also don't know
if she should be integrated back into society like they're
talking about. Well, what I found really interesting was that
the doctors that I guess we're you know, trying to

(50:04):
get her released at the hospital, we're saying that they
believed if she spent more time in the hospital that
she would become more dangerous and less likely to go
back into society. But I was under the impression life
like it, I don't really take any I mean, think
about some of the things that doctors say these days

(50:25):
that are like completely fine, you're just like you're off
your fucking rocker. So I don't know, like she could
be totally fine, rehabilitated all this stuff. I don't know.
It just like it doesn't. It just doesn't sit right
with me. If she was going to be monitored somehow,

(50:45):
maybe well she's going to be supervised for at least
sixty days then I think two months, Yeah, but I
think at that time they will go back and look
at her case and see where she goes from there,
if she remains under permanent supervision or if she goes
back at Yeah, I don't know. Like I just looked
at her and I'm just like it, it doesn't look

(51:05):
like it doesn't look like she's she's got that dead
behind the eyes look, you know what I mean, Like
it's like something's well apparently she has tried to get
out several other times and was denied as recently as
last April. So what just happened in less than a
year that now makes her okay to get out? Yeah?

(51:26):
And if she's if she's gonna be out out, how
are how is the victim going to feel because do
you think that this kid, this twelve year old kid
that got almost stabbed at death, she probably has violent
nightmares and flashbacks still to this day. Of course. Could
you imagine like going to sleep at night and even

(51:47):
turning on an alarm and not being scared shitless that
like that person would show up again. I know, I
can't even imagine it. You're twelve years old, you have
the most innocent mind of all time, and then you
like think you're going to play hide and seek with
your two friends in the woods, and then they end
up stabbing you nineteen times. I'm like curious if I
don't know like a ton about this case. I'm just

(52:07):
curious if the girl, the girl that was the friend,
Like is she just a normal twelve year old like
our kids, or like or is she was she? Did
she say that they talked about really dark things? And
I mean, this is this is on another level of
things that normal twelve year old girls aren't talking about.
So how like, how did this happen? What's up with

(52:30):
this kid's parents? What kind of house did she grow
up in? Like, what's what's the story here? I don't
really know much about it well, you know, they were
inspired by this slender Man character, which was this character
on Creepy Pasta, which is basically my understanding of it.
It's like a forum for horror stories that people are
making up. But this girl, or these two girls seemingly

(52:53):
took this to be truth, that this mythical man existed,
and by you know, stabbing somebody or maybe sackrificing another human,
they were going to be appeasing him in some way.
And it's really scary to think that a small child
is on the Internet getting infiltrated with dark thoughts like that.
I can really, I could probably understand it if it

(53:13):
was one girl that thought that, because if you're if
you have schizophrenia or something and you're having you're having
delusions and psychosis and stuff, you could see that. But
the fact that it was two children that were friends there,
You know, when you talk about this, it's like there's
a distinct difference between psychiatric illness and and then just

(53:34):
like a person being evil, you know what I mean?
And how is it possible that two friends had both
had schizophreny or psychosis, which I'm not even sure that
those symptoms, not that it's impossible, but they're not very
common to show up in twelve year old girls, Like
that's something that occurs later in life usually. So I

(53:56):
don't know. I don't know, Like I don't really know.
I also I feel terrible for a twelve year old
to be in jail for the rest are Like, I
don't know what the solution is. It's just like the
whole story doesn't sit well with me, you know. Yeah,
I don't know, because if you think about it, this
crime happened eleven years ago. They're both in their early twenties.
I mean, they are both still so young, you know,
but they've spent the last decade in a psychiatric facility,

(54:20):
and like, what kind of drugs did they go on there?
What kind of therapy did they go through their Well,
that's another thing too, because a lot of times, like
if a person's in a psychiatric facility, they have that
they're being monitored and someone's giving them medication and checking
to make sure they're taking the medication every day. And
the woman might seem like she's okay to get out

(54:42):
of jail now, but like when she's on her own,
is there going to be somebody monitoring that? Because that
could just go right away if that's I don't know
what they decided her diagnosis is or whatever. I don't know.
This case is just nuts. Well think about this, like
think about with Anthony for example, right, like, how are
you returning to normal life or how are you experiencing

(55:05):
adulthood for the first time in your life having this
in your past Because people know your name, especially true
crime people know your name. I mean, this case was
like really big when it came out, you know, to
think these two children had stabbed another kid their age,
it was really disturbing and we don't hear stories like
this often, so it really blew up. But you know,

(55:25):
what kind of normal job is she going to get?
How is she going to go through life and try
to have any normal life. It's just something to think
about because think about Casey Anthony. I mean, she she
didn't even get convicted of killing her daughter, and she's
having a hard time integrating into normal life. I mean,
she was hired by her law team, by one of
her lawyers, and that's the only reason she has a job. Yeah,

(55:46):
I know it's true. I don't I don't know. I'm
glad I don't have to handle this kind of shit,
but just being a person that lives in society. I
don't know what the answer is. It's just really it's
I mean, I feel bad for the kid, for the
for the woman she's twenty now, Like it's so sad

(56:07):
that a twelve year old isn't just like enjoying painting
their nails with their friends and like playing roeblocks, and
instead they're just they're doing they're thinking about terrible things
like this. It's just like, what went wrong in this
kid's life? You know? Yeah, Okay, medical news this video

(56:29):
or outrageous stories, this video is unbelievable. It really is.
This guy's visiting his friend in the hospital, and the
friend is seemingly a bad addition, I mean, was he
wearing a ventilator? I think that the guy was in
the hospital for a congenital heart defect. I don't know
with treatment for a congenital heart defect. I don't know
exactly what treatment that they would give to a patient,

(56:52):
or what symptoms or why he was admitted to the hospital.
But the guy doesn't look in great shape, but he's conscious,
and he looks like he's trying to get the attention
of his nurse. And what is she doing over his
bed flossing? She was flossing her fricking teeth and not
even with those like handy little picks, you know, not
that that makes it better, but she has like string
flass flossing over this patient who's trying to get her

(57:15):
attention and then seemingly just not even paying attention. I
was like, it does make it different something, Yeah, exactly,
it does make a difference because the stick you could
kind of like go in the corner and just pick
it out right, but when you floss, like I would
never even floss the old school way, like in front
of anybody, because it's so like you gotta like stick

(57:37):
the whole thing in your mouth and it's like wrapped
around your hands and it's like you're drolling and it's
messy and stuff. And no, she had no problem. And
the friend. I think the worst part of it is
that the guy's friend was in the room and recorded it.
That's what she had an audience who flosses in front
of anyone, let alone you're patient, and especially when they

(57:59):
have a visitor in the room. She seriously seemed like
she was drunk by the she the patient is trying
to get her attention, and she keeps leaning over while
flossing over him, but doesn't really seem like she's paying
attention to him at all. And then finally, by the
end of the video, she gets shy about it and
turns around. Yeah, it's so bizarre. Why are you flossing
in this situation? It's so inappropriate. It's and like, it's

(58:20):
kind of gross if you're if you think about a hospital,
there's just like a lot of people there that are
definitely sick, so there's more germs there than in the
normal place. And why would you want to put something
into your mouth in a patient's room. It's kind of gross.
Just think about like the smell, like hospital's got like
a weird smell, you know, like it just makes me

(58:42):
not want to like stick my hands in my mouth,
you know what I mean, No weird. I don't know
what she was thinking. So the guy the friend posts
this video. It goes viral, and of course the hospital
was like, we are horrified. We fired her, blah blah blah.
Of course you should fire her. What is she doing
to me? It's like an intoxicated person or a person

(59:03):
that's not all like you just shouldn't be like, I mean,
I know that the chance of a transmission of infection
is low with her getting one or her flicking her
mouth bacteria over top of this guy that's probably immuno suppressed.
He's got this congenital heart defecting, he's got some kind

(59:23):
of I don't really know what he had on his face.
I don't know if it was a vent or not,
because I didn't really look at him too closely because
I was too busy looking at this lady picking her
teeth over top of him. But you're just just like, no, no, no. Well,
another hospital mishap, so back in twenty twenty one, this patient,

(59:45):
his name was David, became unconscious and stopped breathing after
choking on a piece of steak at dinner. He was
then rushed to the hospital and he shared a room
with another patient named Michael. So the next day hospital
staff determined that David was quote basically brain did and
had to cause family to see if they wanted to
take them off life support. But the problem is they

(01:00:05):
actually called Michael's family to see if they wanted to
take David off of life support, and there was this
whole confusion in mishap that Michael was dead, but then
he called the sister and she was like, how are
you calling me? I thought I took you off of
life support. But it turns out they just called the
wrong family for permission. Yeah, So the bottom line is

(01:00:27):
is that they the patients were mislabeled, yeah in the room,
so whoever they thought the one guy was was the
other guy and vice versa. So this is this is
like a super super huge problem to the point where
could you imagine giving permission to take your brother off
of life support and then getting a freaking phone call

(01:00:50):
from your brother a couple days later like hey, what's up?
I mean, god, that's that is freaking traumatic. And they
already did the day after she thought he took that
she took him off of life support. The family put
a death notice in the local newspaper. I don't even
think he was aware of that at the time, and
just called them to check in, and she was like,

(01:01:11):
what's going on right now? Like I've already had this conversation.
I wouldn't even believe it. I would be I would
be in total shock. I just and and and like
so so the other person ends up going now mislabeled,
still mislabeled as Michael, as Michael is labeled as Michael,
goes to the morgue, he goes to all the way

(01:01:31):
to the medical Examiner's office, and then he goes to
the funeral home. And I guess, I don't know if
he had a funeral or got cremated or what, but
like they thought that he was the wrong person the
entire time, mislabeled, which I don't necessarily fault the medical
examiner or the funeral home because if the body comes

(01:01:58):
from the hospital and it's says it's this person, how
are they supposed to know it's not that person. They're
like the fifth down the line to get the person.
I don't know, just the way I look at it,
Like if we sent a body that was labeled as
so and so, and the funeral home called us and
said we need to pick up so and so, then

(01:02:19):
if they got the body, like a lot of times,
the funeral home does hear from the family like how
tall was the because everybody should be checking along the way.
But like if the body was labeled wrong, and let's
say the funeral home has never seen the person in
their life, how are they going to know that it's
not the right person if the hospital told him it
was that person. So it's important to note because when

(01:02:41):
I first started reading this, I thought that they took
the wrong person off of life support and like killed
the wrong person. The article is not written right. The
right person was taken off of life support. The issue
is that his family did not get to make that choice.
And also I was reading that the son claimed in
a loss that the medical examiner donated his organs against

(01:03:03):
his wish because they thought it was the wrong person. Yeah. Well,
because the guy's sister probably gave permission to donate organs
because she thought that, Okay, we're gonna pull your brother
off life support, can we can you donate his organs? Sure, well,
she gave permission. This is such a big fuck up,
Like beyond the family is now suing. So this is

(01:03:27):
the part that confuses me a little bit because they're
suing an EMS company and I don't know how And
I would love to hear from from an from an
EMT or paramedic about how this could happen, because they're
saying that that I guess they're saying that the person

(01:03:49):
was already misidentified before they got to the hospital, unless
the person was transported from one hospital to another hospital.
I guess that's possible because especially like the guy, for example,
that choked on the steak, he could have maybe went
to a local hospital and he they might have like
you know, either metavacked him or brought him to like

(01:04:10):
a trauma center or somewhere more advanced to take care
of him. That's the only thing I could think of
is how there was a mislabel before the person got
to the hospital. But I don't understand how the two
people's names got switched in the hospital room. Like I'm
just like I said, I don't work on the floor
and stuff, so I don't really I don't really understand

(01:04:32):
how all that works. I just I don't understand how
something this big could happen, and how they're getting directives
on the phone to take people off of life support
without some kind of a better check. I don't know. Well. Also,
it's worth noting that the hospital then told David's son

(01:04:52):
that an emergency occurred and they had to pronounce him dead,
so they didn't tell him the truth about what happened,
and he didn't find that out for two years. How
did he eventually find it out. I maybe the sister
got in touch with him and told him what happened,
and then they started putting the pieces together. Yeah, but
obviously this gives them room to sue the hospital for

(01:05:13):
not being transparent, I mean, for taking the wrong steps. Yeah,
they're also suing the funeral home. Like you said, I
don't know how they're necessarily going to be responsible, but
I guess we'll see over time, right, Yeah, I mean
I don't know the name was made aware. Oh, I

(01:05:34):
think this is why. I think the funeral home was
made aware of the situation and did not then tell
David's son. Okay, so I think that's why they are
also liable, because all the parties involved at some point
have been made aware of the mistake that happen, but
David's son for two years was not made aware of
the truth of what happened. That this is so outrageous,
Which why would you make yourself liable unless they thought

(01:05:57):
the hospital cleared it up with him and they had
no obligation to let him know. Yeah, it's like you
hear stories like this and you're just like, I don't
even understand how something like this happened. I mean the
entire time they were treating him, they had him mislabeled. Listen,
I'm gonna be honest with you that this has happened sometimes,
that we've gotten specimens in the lab that were totally

(01:06:17):
like someone's uterus labeled. One time we got a uterus
that was labeled with a man's name, and we're and
it was like some error. It happened sometimes because in
the OR they're printing out all the labels for all
the patients in the OR, and they grabbed the wrong
labels and this and that, and we caught it every time.
I mean, that's why there's check marks every point along
the way. But like I mean, things get mixed up

(01:06:42):
like that all the time. It's just not all the time,
but it happens, you know what I mean. It's just
it's just scary to think about that. I've never personally
had that happen where a person came down to the
Morgan and was mislabeled. Only one time I had because
we always had their history of like how old they were,
how what their BMI was, what their height was, and

(01:07:04):
all this stuff, what their race was, all this different things,
their eye color. So one time I got a body,
and it was a woman who was only supposed to
be she was supposed to be young, like forty something,
and she seriously looked like a seventy year old woman.
And I knew she had cancer and everything, but like,
I just double checked the floor to because I was like,

(01:07:27):
she looks like thirty years older than she should look
right now. Yeah, and it just it just and you know,
the person's dead, so you can't see them talk or
anything like that. But I just was like, let me
double check because she looks so much older than her
stated age, and that could happen with chemotherapy, drugs and
treatment and stuff like that. But but I've never had

(01:07:49):
a situation where somebody was like, legit labeled wrong. It's
just such a big deal. Yeah, I mean, I guess
the principle is you just always need to double check
and everything. I didn't know you could do that phone call.
I thought that decision had to be made in person
if you were to take somebody off life support. I
don't know, because let's say, for example, you know, we

(01:08:11):
live in California and mo mom and pop up live here.
Like I can't just get on a plane and come there.
All the time. There's just situations where I don't know.
I like, maybe like a FaceTime call or something. I
don't really I don't really know what the protocol is.
But I mean this is I still like really can't

(01:08:33):
understand how this happened. No, all right. In this next case,
this fifty six year old woman with schizophrenia constantly had
the feeling that something was crawling under her skull, so
in an attempt to stop the feeling, she kept digging
into her skull with her finger until she finally went
through her scalp into her brain. Yeah. This so this
is so outrageous, and she's alive. She's alive. She she

(01:08:57):
was picking. Her sister said that she just at it
every single day because she felt like something was crawling,
and she was able to go through all of the
layers of her skin, go through her skull bone and
ended up getting an infection in her bone called osteo
my latest in the skull, and then was able to

(01:09:17):
reach into the brain and stick her finger into her
brain and an absess or a collection of pus from
a bacterial infection, grew around that area that she was picking.
So finally she went to the hospital and they were
able to clean it out and she was discharged into
an impatient rehabilitation center because of the mental health illness.

(01:09:40):
She was treated with her for her schizophrenia as well
as the absess, and then finally she was released. A
couple months later. It showed that the absess was healing
up and the wound on her scalp was healing up
as well. So how I have a hard time wrapping
my head around it not being fa if your brain's exposed.

(01:10:03):
We have a couple cases like that that. No, you can,
There's definitely a way that you can. I mean, it
wasn't good she was because your brain is a sterile
area and she was getting bacteria in there from her
fingernails and entering it into her brain, and that could
be very deadly situation. But you can. I mean, you

(01:10:24):
could totally have your brain exposed like that and and
live through it. And she's an example of how you
could do that. I just find it mind blowing. But
I guess the human body is just like amazing in
that way, right, Yeah. I Mean, we had that one
case in the gross room, which is probably one of
the most outrageous cases that I have ever posted. And

(01:10:45):
it's titled I Could See what You're thinking. And it
was this guy who he had an injury to his
head and they put a similar they the surgeons had
put like a hole in his scalp to or in
his skull to allow pressure to come off of the brain.
And that's what they do sometimes it's called a burhole.

(01:11:06):
And he since then it had healed and everything, but
he was packing this this little hole that they put
in his skull with paper towels for like twenty years
or something. And he had a hole in the size
of his skull like the size of a cereal bowl.
Like people say, it looks like a cereal bowl on
top of his head because he was just packing it,

(01:11:28):
packing and packing it. You hear stories of people who
pick their nose so much that they could put a
hole right through their septal cartilage. And so just like
a chronic picking picking picking every single day, could could
do that. Yeah, it's kind of similar to like the
Grand Canyon with water just going through it every day
and just like creating crevices and stuff. It's like just

(01:11:51):
the constant rubbing just causes that. You know. It's pretty interesting,
all right. Other death news so apparently the weather shan
know was airing footage of the wildfire devastation and potentially
showed human remains on TV, which they are denying. Yeah,
I so the video listen. I could see why people

(01:12:13):
think it looks like there's a skeleton that's burned in
the video. But to me and to Gabe because I
showed him too, it does not look anything like a
body that you would see in a fire death. People
are just convinced that this is a skeleton that's burned
inside of this house that they were showing that was
Halloween skeletons and a smoldering It's not a skeleton at all.

(01:12:40):
It's just not a skeleton. It looks like a skeleton,
it's it is because your eyes are just making you
think that's what it is. It's just not that doesn't
look like a skeleton to me. If you had a holocrop, yeah,
if you had a Halloween skeleton in a fire, in
a house fire, it would be like soup on the
ground or plastic. Like, it's just not a skeleton. It's

(01:13:02):
just not like I understand that everybody wants to fight
and say it's a skeleton. It's just like that is
not what a person looks like when they burn in
a fire. Do you know how hot a fire would
have to be to even reduce a person down to
a skeleton. It's just not even possible in a house fire.
This is why all you people, all like regular people,
they try to kill somebody and then set the house

(01:13:23):
on fire, thinking that their body's gonna like go away,
and it doesn't at all, not even a little bit,
because like you have to have a fire super super
super hot for a very long period of time in
order to reduce a body down to a skeleton like that.
So I get, I see what you're saying. I guess
I have a hard time because visually to me, it

(01:13:44):
looks like the same texture as like a mummy. Right,
It's like that weird leathery brown. Yeah, that's not that's
not what's happening. I mean, it's in Los Angeles. Is
it not possible that it's some type of crazy prop No,
because like I just know, it's just it's just I'm
telling you, it's just like a weird angle of like

(01:14:07):
it's it's some trick on your eyes kind of thing,
because that's what you want it to be, you know,
like you ever see that person that's wearing like the
the uh, the dress that's like purple and white, but
it looks gold or whatever. Please this argument still comes up,
and like with people, I know, because we just all
see it differently. Yeah, it's just like one. It's just

(01:14:27):
one of those things, like I'm telling you they I mean, listen,
I don't put it past anybody to lie at this
point because everybody's just so goddamn corrupt. But like they
showed a picture of the same exact area, and like
when you look at the picture they showed you from
a quote other angle, it definitely looks different. Okay. But
at the same time, I know what bodies look like

(01:14:50):
when they're burned, and that's not one of them. I'll
say that to my grave, and like so woll Gabe.
But as a lake or game, that's what it looks. Gabe,
like recently had a fire in a car, like within
the past couple of years, and the body wasn't anywhere
near that burned. And that's in a more confined space
that would create a higher temperature, you know what I mean.

(01:15:12):
Like the fat and the soft tissue stay there for
a very long time, and it's just not possible in
a house that has all of that space. That's a
wood structure that burns down right away, Like it just
doesn't get that hot to do that to a body.
It's not a skeleton, trust me, it's not. I I
don't want to side with them. I want to be

(01:15:33):
in the conspiracy theory side, but it's just it's just
not a skeleton. Well, thank you for your expert opinion,
because I think a lot of people are what everybody does.
I posted the video in the Grosser Room, and most
of the people are like, that's a damn skeleton. It's
just not well people want to think it is. They
want to catch, you know, anybody doing an error or anything.
So I mean that would be juicy as hell if

(01:15:55):
that happened. But it just it just it's not like
if you if you look at if you remember the
Grosser Room, you could look at what a dead body
looks like in a house fire. It just it has
a lot of soft tissue attached, and it's you know,
if you put if you set on fire, let's say,
I don't even know, to be gross, like like an

(01:16:17):
animal or something. It's just like you just wouldn't you
you wouldn't just have like a skeleton, you know what
I mean, It just doesn't go I don't think. I
don't think regular people know what you mean, because that
average person doesn't just see stuff like that. So that's
why they were easily inclined to believe that it is
a skeleton, because no normal person would just see how

(01:16:39):
I can see when you guys like I don't look
at the video and say, you guys are ridiculous. I
see why people think that I see this thing that
they think looks like a skeleton, But you know, from
realize I see it, but when I look at it,
it just like triggers my eyes to be like, that
doesn't look right in that situation to be a skeleton.
Perhaps the people that even really that, because I would

(01:17:01):
it goes by so quickly in the film, you would
totally notice it if you were watching the news. I
was saying, like, I never even fully look at a
television anymore. I feel like I'm always like looking at
my phone and watching something in the background. I also
say people that like, when you're looking at things like
that and you know that there's like a bunch of
people missing, there's always people that are like wait, is
there like dead bodies here you're looking for like dead

(01:17:23):
I mean they're like, I don't even know if you've
heard about like how many animals are missing and stuff
like they're they're pretty careful with that, Like they're not
going to even film at a house where like a
person is missing or whatever, you know what I mean,
Like because if that was a human remains, that would
be like a huge lawsuit and a big deal. They
don't want to risk that, you know what I mean.

(01:17:43):
The conspiracy theorists would say that even if the house
was deemed clear, the body could have been there from
before from a crime. So there's arguments for everything. Yes,
all right, let's move on to question to the day
Every Friday at the at mother nos Death Instagram account,
we put up a story and you had asked whatever
questions you want. Does the government remove the brains of

(01:18:04):
dead presidents to keep I don't think so. Why Like
why would they are they like more intelligent than regular people?
I don't know, what's his name? Just died, right, Jimmy
Carter just died a couple of weeks ago, Like he
was wasn't it like a hundred? Yeah? Like he no,
that I don't. I wouldn't even think that they There

(01:18:25):
would be absolutely no reason for them to do an
autopsy and to keep his brain. I don't want to
say that they didn't. I just don't even see why
they would. You know, they want to keep it? Why
because he was so intelligent, Like you want to keep
like Albert Einstein's brain to study it, like Jimmy Carter's.
Like it's just like it's not that special. I just

(01:18:50):
don't see why you would. Okay, well, I never I
don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know.
Number two to determine a page and died of a
heart attack? Is the only organ? Is huh? This is
word it weird? If someone died from a heart attack,
do you only look at the organ? I understand what

(01:19:11):
you're saying. Organ. That's a good question. Word kind of weird.
That's a good question. So all right in theory, because
we've had a bunch of autopsies like this, Like let's say,
for example, someone dies and someone really doesn't want to
get an autopsy, but they really want to see if
their family member had a heart attack. We could do
like a pretty small incision and basically stick our hands

(01:19:31):
up inside of their chest cavity and like take out
their heart and examine it to see if they had
a heart attack. The problem if you're talking about heart
attack in the classic sense of a myocardial infarction, or
they're being death to the heart muscle like a true
classic heart attack. The thing is is that when someone
has a super fresh heart attack, grossly looking at the

(01:19:55):
heart muscle, you can't really tell, and also under the
microscope sometimes it's even dif focal to tell if it's
a brand new heart attack. The thing is is that
the coronary arteries might have a blockage, which you're just like, Okay,
this is so bad. There's no way that there was
blood coming through this, and like, this is probably what
killed the person. And if the person had a history
of other heart attacks prior to this that they survived,

(01:20:17):
they would have scars in their heart. And if you
see scars in the heart muscle, then that's very that
that can definitely tell you, okay that this person more
than likely died from a heart attack. The reason that
we don't like to do that is because all of
the organs work together and we want to check out
the whole entire body because just because like let's say,

(01:20:37):
for example, I had a heart attack like last month,
and I'm gonna have some scarring in my heart muscle,
but like I could die right now from a totally
different reason, like a stroke or something. And if you
looked at the heart on you know, you took the
heart only out, you could just assume that I had
a heart attack, but really I had a stroke. And like, ultimately,
does it really matter, No, You're you're dead still, Like

(01:20:59):
people go nuts about like knowing the exact trigger, but
what really should more want to know if it was
accidental versus uh natural or whatever. But yeah, like what
if somebody like poison the person. Well, in theory, that
could absolutely happen, you know what I mean, because you
could still see evidence of pathology even if the person

(01:21:21):
had another cause of death. And then there's all other
sorts of things like you could have a fib which
could cause strokes and things like that. So you want
to look at the brain and like all everything works together.
So personally, like we like to do the biggest or
fullest autopsy that we could do and examine as most
organs as possible. But like, to answer your question, you

(01:21:45):
could look at a heart oftentimes and say, yes, that's
how that person died. Does that make sense? Yeah, especially
like if you had a heart attack like a week ago,
so that would cause weakness in the heart muscle and
it could get so weak that it could put a
hole and it could cause a perforation in a cardiac

(01:22:06):
tempanaut or something like that. That would be something if
we looked at the heart, you would one hundred percent
be able to tell like that was what cause that
person to drop dead. But like sometimes it's not as
clear cut. So that's why we would like to just
examine everything else to just you know, if that makes sense.

(01:22:26):
All right, Last, what's your secret to road tripping with kids? iPads? This?
I mean, like, listen, my kids were off school for
a week two weeks almost after after we were done Christmas,
and all they were going to do was sit around

(01:22:48):
and like eat and go on their iPads and play
with their friends. So it's kind of the same thing
we did. They would just you know, I feel like
it would be a little bit more difficult if if
we didn't have iPads, because like when I was a
kid and we used to take road trips to Disney World,
and stuff like it just was a bunch of you know,

(01:23:09):
we would just bring crayon crayons, crayons and coloring books
and stuff. So with the kids, we do we do that,
like we just do lots of stuff. Like Gabe and
I usually listened to a book while we're driving. We
listened to Ernest Hemingway for Whom the Bell Tolls And

(01:23:31):
that was like sixteen hours, but that was really really good.
And the kids sat in the back and they were
playing their games and they were facetiming with their friends
and everything like that. So we just like let them
do that. Pack a ton of snacks. We we we
have a really good system for our family as far
as like not stopping too much, and you know, we

(01:23:52):
let them get candy and stuff like not. We don't
we let them eat on vacation, like not how we
do at home. Ever, they could drink soda at the
restaurant on vacation, and then the day we get home,
we go out to dinner and it's like they tried
to order coke and I was like, no, absolutely not.
You could have that like twice a year, that's it.

(01:24:15):
So and they like that, you know, that makes them happy.
So yeah, it's like a special treat. Yeah, that it
is exactly, and like like every time we stop at
the gas station, they could get like whatever chips they
want or candy, and that's like that's just like not
how we lived the rest of the year. So but
it's fun, all right. Well, thank you guys so much.

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We will see you later in the week. Seya, thank
you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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or treated anyone dead or alive with without the assistance
of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and
social media accounts are designed to educate and inform people
based on my experience working in pathology, so they can
make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always

(01:25:18):
remember that science is changing every day and the opinions
expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge of
those subjects at the time of publication. If you are
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