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April 2, 2019 15 mins

We talked about the GREAT time we had with Lauren Daigle and why religion makes some people feel weird.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What would you talk about on your on your podcast.
Firm Presents fifteen Minute Morning Show. All right, the fifteen
Minute Morning Show podcast. It is Tuesday, April two. We
had a great show this morning. Uh Lauren Dangle was
the dangle Dangle Sorry is it Dangle? I like Dangle?

(00:27):
I know, I mean too, that's not her anyway. She
was amazing performing for us, and what a great story.
You know what I loved having her on here was
and not being afraid to talk about her background. I mean,
she is a contemporary Christian artist and she came on
here and I didn't I didn't hesitate a second and say, hey,
you know, welcome to the show. Let's talk about the
fact that most people who are familiar with you are

(00:48):
familiar with you because you are a contemporary Christian artist.
And every time he's we talked about religion on the show,
people get really nervous. I'm like, why are you getting
so nervous about something that's it's so easy to talk
about It should be, shouldn't it. Everyone's just walking on
eggshells all the time. Now. Yeah, I gotta say, you know,
when God, the word God came up, I even was like,

(01:11):
but and then I'm like, my my inner voice was like,
why are you reacting that way? Stop it question that.
What were you going to say? Um? She reminded me
like everything about her except that she is such a
very like religious, spiritual person of Jenny from Forrest Gump.
She did have the quality. Yeah, so I was like, oh,
this is so interesting seeing the wholesome side of Jenny

(01:33):
and carrots. Yeah, I'm sure that's a compliment. Yeah. It
was great having her here. And it's like every time
we've talked about reading the Bible or something like that,
people get really nervous. I mean, it's a best seller
that I have one next to my bed right now.
Actually had to have by the one with the bigger text,

(01:56):
because smaller text I can't see anyway. We shouldn't be
afraid to talk about stuff like that, And if you're
afraid to talk, if you're afraid to hear about it,
I think that's worthy of self discovery. I agree with
you on that. I've always been on the opposite side
of all of this, though, because I feel like I
was the one that anytime I brought up my culture

(02:16):
or religion or background, people get really uncomfortable with that.
So I have no problem hearing it from the other side.
It's interesting. Well, but on the same on the same line,
you should not be hesitating and talking about your belief
at all. You guys know me, all right? Well, sitting
around the table, there's Gandhi, there's Scary, there's the other
Brooklyn boy, Dave Brody. You want to change scenes, so

(02:40):
you'll be next. There's a great tea, the frank boy.
There's Garrett, there's Danielle, and there's straight me. Sorry, that
was that puberty. Alright? Who has something you want to
bring up at the meeting? Are we talking about religion
right now? We can talk about whatever you want. That's okay.
I was raised Catholic, like Danielle too, and like Garrett,

(03:01):
and my whole life was an altar boy. You had
all my sacraments, communion, confirmation, everything. And then I took
a World World Religions class in college, and then I
learned about Taoism and I'm like, wow, this is really interesting.
I feel like this suits me more than catholisis. What
about Buddhism. Buddhism was great too, but it's it's funny.

(03:23):
I think a lot of people and this isn't a
bad thing. Are raised in a certain religion and you
don't know that there's another religion out there that maybe
suits your beliefs a little bit better. Don't you believe
in your studies of world theology that it seems like
every religion that you study has something really truly beautiful
about it. There's always a takeaway there. Let's talk about Judaism.

(03:45):
Dave Brody, Oh sure, well, I can't you talk to
the other Jews in the room? Wait there a holiday
wish you not serious about? Stop it? Go ahead, go ahead?
What it asked me? Something? Well, I know, but I mean,

(04:08):
Judaism is a very beautiful religion, and there's so many
wonderful customs have come out of that religion, and I
don't know there's something to be said for it. Sure,
let me just give an opinion on religion, not not overall.
You got some people were taught some fables and stories
and customs, and some people were taught others. And the
fact that those things draw a line in the sand,

(04:29):
like well we're right, you're wrong, or I can't like you. Listen,
It's like you were born in the north the south
where country were born in we were born the way
we were born, and we were taught what we were taught,
But that doesn't mean that's all we can learn the
rest of our lives. The point, it doesn't mean you're right,
you're wrong. It doesn't mean if to dislike other people.
Religion was designed, I believe, to bring people together. But
what it's amounted to now is it separates people. Well, look,

(04:50):
we have several wars. What does that mean, you know,
like when you're you're fighting over land and religion, Like
the purpose of religion is to be inclusive. I think
our guest Lauren today said it beautifully that she was
taught to love everyone and not judge anyone, and not
separate anyone, and not not make a decision on who's
to be loved and who's not. And I think if

(05:11):
you really are a religious person, and that's the irony
that I find is that the more religious people I
know are the ones that are more judge e when
their religion tells them don't judge people. That's the point
that's always confuses me, that your religion is supposed to
be just love everyone and do want to others and
help the poor, Yet their religion is the one that's
making them not do that. So I'm just confused by
it all, and I just wish you would go back

(05:31):
to what it was designed for, which is to bring
people together. I'm done, Okay, I think I think very
well put beautifully said. I just want to know why
I jump when I hear the word God. That's what
I'm kind of wondering. How many people have already turned
off this podcast because of this conversation. I really knew
I've bet a lot of people because we've launched a
lot because because on Fridays during Lent? Is it because

(05:54):
I'm trying to be ultra respectful? Like okay, So there
are people that are listening that don't believe in this.
So by bringing that up, that's you know, but back
in the day when breast cancer was still whispered because
people were afraid to say the words breast and cancer,
and they whisper it. You know what, don't you think

(06:14):
that everything works out better if there's open dialogue versus
sweeping in under the rug? I mean back in the
day when I went to school and we were we
would be going to Catholic school. After you know school,
you line up on Wednesday afternoon at you know, to
forty and the bust you over there. Now everything is separated.
Religion is not, you know, really taught in schools. I

(06:35):
mean to the point where didn't they want to take
under God at one point out of They have in
many schools, but they're supposed to be I mean legally, constitutionally.
Not when we were kids, well kids, but when we
were kids, they talked about God in school. They talked
about if you were Jewish, they celebrated Hanuka. If you

(06:57):
were Catholic, they celebrated Christmas. You are allowed to Decker's
the problem. They didn't celebrate Hanakah. They did like, oh,
put him an over in the corner. It's never been even,
it's never been equal. And what it's done now maybe
when we were kids, it segregates kids and alienates people
and it makes you feel like, oh, the kids are
doing this and I don't have that. Yeah we had

(07:17):
a hank in the corner. Yeah, Like it's like it
don't forget those people so they don't get upset. It is.
It's the way it is. To what Danielle was saying,
I think, you know, growing up as everyone just you know,
took it for what it was like, you know, say God,
say this, believe in this. More and more, including people
like my age, start questioning that because, like like Nate

(07:39):
and Danielle, I was raised every Sunday morning eight o'clock,
we woke up go to church. It almost was like
something was forced upon. So when I finally had the
opportunity to choose for myself, you know, do I wake
up Sunday morning at eight o'clock and go to church? Yes?
Or no? I And I'll be honest, I've become that
type of Catholic that shows up times on Christmas and

(08:01):
sometimes on Easter and sometimes when you know, I think
at a certain point people have to choose as opposed
to be being told what to do. Well, you know, absolutely,
but but that's what I feel like a lot of
people have started to do. That's why there's people finding
other religions and and other ideas and other forms of
taking in whatever God you want to take in. You

(08:21):
know what the cool thing is, And it goes back
to what Brody says is, you know, if we if
we approach religion or spirituality, whatever you want to call it,
from this universal rule, we're just be open to love
each other and understand we're not always going to agree
with each other. Um, I think we've been much better off. Right. Look,
you know, uh, let's take the Catholic Church for instance.

(08:41):
I think this is a fascinating thought. You know, with
all of the stories I've been going around of of
late and two dozen years ago about priests and young
young boys and this and that, look at Catholicism. The
Catholic Church is arguably one of those power entities in
the world, but it lost a lot of its shine

(09:03):
because of these stories. Well, you know, there is a
side to this where it makes a Catholic stop and
question what it's all about. That can actually make Catholicism stronger.
I think, you know what it's when we're in church now,
they address what's been going on. They don't hide it
under the rug. They've been actually talking about it. And
and the priest will come out and part of his

(09:24):
homily will say, you know, I know we're going through
a lot right now, and he talks about what it
isn't and he says just exactly what you said. It
makes you really look at what it really is supposed
to be about. So look at anything in your life,
your relationship with your mom and dad, your relationship with
your best friends. Sometimes when you have a skirmish in
the family or you have a problem at work with
your boss, it makes everyone stop down, think about it, reevaluate,

(09:46):
and maybe come back stronger than you were before. I
think some of the best conversations I've had about this
particular thing was when people actually stopped and ask questions
versus just assumed things that they saw in movies, which
there have been some movies that have done some doozy
to religion. But my like, my worst week back when
I was a kid was the first week of school
because everybody had gone to Young Life camp right before

(10:07):
that week, and then we would be on the bus
and I'd have a bus full of kids telling me
how I'm going to Hell because I'm not Christian. And
then I'd be like, here we go again. We're gonna
have this conversation again. What's it like being a kid
having to hear that? It was really annoying. I was
I was kind of like a headstrong kid, so that
stuff didn't really sink in and bother me. But I'd
be like, well, my religion because one of the first
things you learn in Hinduism is we believe there are

(10:27):
many paths to the top of a mountain, so you
can believe what you believe, and I'm cool with that.
Why do you have such a problem believing what I
believe could possibly be true too? And we would start
talking about that and it would usually turn around by
the end of the week, but it was a whole
week of crappy bus rides. Great too, you've been very quiet, Yeah,
I um, I really like the Lorden Dangles song, and um,

(10:49):
the religion doesn't really bother me when it comes to religion,
and you know, people's religion, the people's belief that's up
to them and to each his own. I don't. It
doesn't bother or me. I'm not a Catholic that goes
to church. I don't really. I'm not gonna not eat
meat on Lent. Uh. You pretend to be half Jewish,
I pretend to be out. Yeah, I mean it doesn't.

(11:13):
I heard her interview today. I thought it was really wonderful,
and then that's the end of and then I kind
of move on, and then I want to turn the
radio one and I want to listen to her songs.
So it's not something none of this is like, I
don't obsess religion whatsoever. There I think so many of
the religions if you really take a look at what
they're saying, they're all saying the same thing in slightly
different ways. Well, your religion, you said that, it teaches

(11:34):
is different ways to get to the mountaintop. My religion
teaches that mountain looks really high. I'm just gonna stay
down here. Yeah, let those people go. Yeah, sure, and
you can get to the top of the mountain. Well,
that's the irony of it. What you pointed out is
that and whatever God or name for God, whatever your
religion is, whatever you do on Saturday versus Sunday, what
days you eat meat or levin bread, whatever, the ultimate

(11:57):
goal is to be a good person. And it's to
believe either in some God or some spirituality. And Elvis
always says he's spiritual is a belief in something. They
all overlap. And yet there's this you know, this wall like, well,
you're you're wrong and you shouldn't believe that, And listen,
I believe and believe in whatever you want. What I
don't I'm not a fan of is when you tell

(12:18):
me what I should do and when you tell me
I should be your religion because it's so great. You
gave me your opinion. You think your religion is great.
That's why you have it. But don't knock on my door,
don't don't social media me. Don't get me at a
party where you're like, you know what you should do this,
this would be your your path or whatever that I've been,
there's always somebody that's got there. It happened, happened recently. Yeah,

(12:41):
there's always someone that that that. There are people that listen.
There are people that are big fans of whatever the look.
I'm a MED fan, right, I don't go up to
Yankee fans ago. You really should be a Med fan.
You believe what you believe, and that's great. If that
makes you happy, that's great. But you do you when
it comes to religion, like, it shouldn't be your goal.
As long as you're being you're not hurting people trying

(13:01):
to love one another. That's what it should be. I
love someone from from a totally different belief system teaching
me something that makes me better. I'll totally listen to Garrett.
You wanted to say something. I've been fired by the church.
You got fired So I was a sacristan, which is
the person that opens up the church on Sunday morning.
Why did you get fired? Because seven am Mass is
very early, which means I have to be there at
like six thirty. So in high school, waking up at

(13:24):
six thirty is very hard. Well yeah twice, So that
a shame on that for hiring you back? Was the
forgiving party? Well that's the problem. So no, no one
forgave me. I got fired, and am I going to hell?
You're not going to have the old people were outside
You're trying to get what time did you get there

(13:45):
there at seven thirty? Was that? Seven? Nailed? It? Were
waiting out that the priest that opened the door and
then start, Man, we shouldn't couldn't the priest open it up?
I mean, but they expect me. My job was to
open it so people get in there. You know, they
shut a fired je so the show could start all
the same way to ruin church, Garrett, I know. Yeah,

(14:07):
you're so quiet over here, straight and enjoying listening to
this conversation. It's nice to hear other people, I hope. Yeah.
I would love to hear from from anyone and everyone
who wants to have an opinion or show sharing their
opinion on this. And you know, we may only have
three listeners left at this point, but it's the podcast.
We do what we want to do. I really need
to look into the Postafarian religion because that seems wonderful. Yes, Postafarian.

(14:28):
They worship Posta And I'm all about the universe. Uh huh,
me too, you know. And so people look at me like,
what do you mean the universe? What religion are you
talking about. I'm like, well, you know, the good one.
I'm believing that the universe. I did not I did

(14:49):
not say that diverse. You guys are a bunch of assholes. Alright, Amen.
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