April 29, 2025 • 44 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by actress Madeline Brewer who is currently starring in the Netflix series YOU, opposite Penn Badgley. YOU is back for its fifth and final season and Madeline’s character finds herself as the new object of Joe’s affection. You also know and love Madeline from her Emmy-nominated portrayal of Janine in Hulu’s THE HANDMAID’S TALE, which is also out right now in its sixth and final season. It’s safe to say she is delivering some of the most powerful performances this spring in all of television. Today, Madeline opens up about the intensity of working on two hit shows that involve traumatic storylines, if she’s ever spoken to a therapist about her characters, being a super-fan of YOU before joining the final season, why she loves playing characters with some loose screws, what working on those intimate scenes with Penn was like, three ways anyone can outsmart Joe Goldberg, how she learned to feel comfortable enough to use her voice after feeling like she couldn’t earlier in her career, what it’s like being on a show that is analyzed and talked about across social media non-stop, why she wants Penn to win an Emmy for his portrayal of Joe, the actress she once fan-girled over at an audition, the truth about that fire red hairstyle in YOU, that iconic surprising moment for her character during this final season, the very real and important message behind the show, a dream project she would want to do next (hint: Christmas), that one celebrity that was on her birthday cake when she was 15, how she ended up in the Jersey Shore house at 2am, why the final episode of THE HANDMAID’S TALE is the most extraordinary episode of the entire series, and so much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello you. Oh my god. I wanted to say that
for quite some time now, and today was the perfect
excuse to pull out that iconic Joe Goldberg line, welcome, welcome,
welcome to I've never said this before with me, Tommy
Di Dario, No, and not Joe Goldberg. Happy to report
it is me, But I am so excited because the
fan favorite TV series You is back for their final
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season and today's guest is the badass, brand new final
girl and object of Joe's affection, Madeline Brewer. You know
and love Madeline from her Emmy nominative portrayal of Janine
and Hulu's The Handmaid's Tale, which is also out right
now in its sixth and final season. So between The
Handmaid's Tale and this final season of You, Madeline is
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busy and booked, and let me tell you it is
all well deserved, because if you know her work, you
know that she delivers some of the most powerful performances
in all of television. And yes, she has a bunch
of impressive TV and film credits under her belt, even
a stint on the West Stending Cabaret. But all of
that is to say she is certainly one to keep
watching Oh, and my favorite thing perhaps is she's from Jersey,
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and when you put two Jersey natives together in a room,
well anything can happen. And let me tell you, we
kind of go in a lot of different directions in
this conversation, but it's fun, I promise. So let's see
if today we can get Madeline to say something that
she has never said before. Mattel and Brewer, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I kind of love you already. I'm just gonna say it.
We've been talking good time. I know we've been talking
off camera and I'm like, Oh, I like your vibe.
You're fine, You're fun. I feel like you're really fun
at a party.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh, I have to say I am quite fun. Well,
it's because I like, I love a martini and a boogie.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh okay, So you like to break it down.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I absolutely do. If there's a dance floor, I will
find it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well. I don't want to brag, but I was a
hip hop instructor at the YMCA and New Jersey growing up.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So are you from New Jersey?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I am from New Jersey's part Union County, Berkeley Heights.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh my gosh, I'm from Gloucester County. I'm from way
south outside of Philly, Jersey. I mean, we find each other.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We always find no wonder why I like you. Oh
my god, I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I am so excited for everything you have going on.
You are right now on two of the hottest shows
this spring, like who gets to do that? Right, the
Handmaid's Tale and you killing it. But I feel like
you have had a lot going on on both of
these shows, Like, yeah, the level of intensity and the
things your characters.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Have to do, you have to do, have to go through,
have to put up with.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, I brought you a gift because I feel like
we need to start properly, and I want you to
take this yea, And I want you to sage your
whole life. When you leave, sage your entire life. That
is for you. You just light it and release that
energy now that you're wrapping those shows and start fresh.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, kind of like release some of the bad vibe.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's been a lot hot, but fun.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The best experiences of my life, I mean, bar none,
Like I've had so much fun. I've gotten to play
two vastly different characters, both a little bit nutty in
their own ways and I mean, I just came from
my final session of ADR for The Handmaid's Tale, so
I watched the finale. Can I can see on my
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face a tear in my full glam? I got done
this morning because I had to like do glam, go
to ADR, and then come here weeping, weeping. It is
a gorgeous, gorgeous finale. Lizzie Moss directed, and really there's
nothing that this woman can't do. So I don't know
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why I was surprised at all that it is the
most extraordinary episode of the Handmaid's Tale I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
With all of this going on, do you feel like, man,
I've arrived, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I mean, I guess, like yes and no. I'm doing
like more press than I've ever done, especially with having
two shows come out almost simultaneously. But I'm an actor
and I'm already looking for what my next project will be.
I do feel in a position to be a like
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a touch more picky than I have been, because I
really want to be. I want to make a very
conscious decision, a very deliberate decision about where what I
decided to do next. I've also spent the last like
nine years in Gilead, and there's a trauma in and
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of itself to be in that place for so many years.
And then like I mean, you'll see it in the
final season of You. It's what's some tough stuff, Like
it's intense and like you know, the things you have
to research to kind of get into these characters, Like
spending a lot of time researching domestic violence is not
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super fun but totally necessary part of the job. And
that's my favorite thing. I feel like that's my bread
and butter, is the research. I think I'm an okay
actor too, but I love to do the research.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, I that. I mean that's a lot to
put your mind through consistently for so many years between
the two shows. Like I said earlier, it's a lot
of intense moments that you have to go through as
a human being, yes, as a character, but you have
to feel it. I mean, that's your job to feel it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Which is wild and like your body doesn't know that
what you're doing isn't real. Like there's an episode, I mean,
especially the finale of You, and also there's one or
two episodes in this final season of Handmaid's Tale where
I mean I was ignited like I was. My heart
was racing. You know, your body's responding all too in
all like all stress response, like fight or flight. I
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begin sweating, like my mouth became dry a little bit
of like palpitations, and I'm like, then I'm just sitting down,
like having a chat with my friend who was one
of our ads, and I'm like, I think I need
I think I need to go be quiet. Like it's
traumatizing for your physical self to put yourself in that
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place repeatedly. And that's why I think a lot of
actors have really great self care routines. Yeah they should.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I was going to say, I feel like I would
need a lot of therapy if I were playing the
role playing Well, therapy.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Is necessary for everybody, yes, But it's funny. I've never
actually spoken to a therapist about my characters because I
do leave like I know how to take care of them,
because I know how to take care of me, so
I know how to do that. Like separation of life
and work, I'm a set of church and state. Which
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where's that going anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's really interesting. Well, I'm so excited for everything going on.
You is just such an amazing show. And I know
you were such a fan of it before join and
here you are now playing the final girl in the
final season of such a beloved series. With that, did
you have any I don't know, trepidation or anxiety joining
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a show that you loved so much?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Anxiety, I don't think anxiety. I mean I was just excited,
really and like honored to be a part of it,
and really honored that they like trusted me to do
this final time, like to embody this final person. And
Bronte is such a wild character that you see her
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change throughout the course of the series or the season,
and I was just stoked that they let me come
play because I am a huge fan and especially season
one is one of my favorite seasons of television like ever.
And so this this homecoming of coming back to New York,
and you know, I had moved back to New York
after being in LA for like seven years, and it
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just felt like a real full circle moment for me.
And you know, walking into Moonies like super fan, like
girl you would love it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Right now, Like.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It was so cool, like really that moment where you know,
as an actor, you you get to go onto these
magnificent sets and and these costumes and the hair and makeup,
and it's also fun and you drop right in. But
to join something you're already a fan of and so
excited to be a part of the world, and then
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to play freaking cool character. Oh a lucky girl. I
am a lucky deck.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Tell you well, let me tell you that character has
quite a few screws loose.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
She is a.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Little out there, right is It's so much fun playing
like that, you know, I mean, I don't want to
say it comes very easy for you, but you play
Craig cray a little.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's the eyes. I mean, you've got them to crazy.
We like, it's like when you have big eyes. I
feel like, especially on a screen, one little look it
says a lot. And so that's why on Handmaid's Tale,
I joked that they took away half my real estate,
because like, this is half my it's half my money maker.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You're in the iPad.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I'm in the iPad. But no, it was. I love
playing these characters with a bit of a screw loose.
I love playing someone that you're just you kind of
can't figure out. Bronte was is described as enigmatic in
like the character description, but like she was an enigma
to me. I oftentimes was like, where are we going,
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what are we doing? Why are you doing that? And
like I am the audience over here, but also bronte
over here, like fighting, Like how I imagine a lot
of people be when watching the show, like girl, don't
what are you doing? Don't go in there, like yelling,
and when you're watching a horror movie like I'll be
right back.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, no you won't. Yeah, she's great. It's it's such
a great character in the final season and people I
think are going to respond in a variety of different
ways to her. For sure. This season has a lot
of intimate moments. Sure does right, and you and Pen
you deliver. You guys deliver, And I imagine that's something
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as an actor you're used to it, right, But how
do you get comfortable with a co star like Pen
and do those moments and do those scenes in form
that so that it feels kind of normal?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah? Pen and I are both old hat at this,
Like I have done so many like simulated sex scenes.
I also did an entire movie playing a camgirl and like,
I'm very comfortable also that set. Doing the movie cam
taught me a lot about my own autonomy and like
my voice, and so I am very comfortable on a
set like that, I can say, hey, I'm comfortable, Hey
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I'm not. This isn't right. How which way are we
shooting this? Can I please see the frame? Like I
know that there are certain things I'm comfortable with and
certain things I'm not, which is why the reduction of
intimacy coordinators has been so essential. Like I think that, yes,
actors should lead the conversation with each other, and an
intimacy coordinator can facilitate those conversations or assist or allow space,
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but also hold space, hold space for defying gravity. And
stupid said that I couldn't help it, but I you know,
Penn has been doing this show now on its fifth season.
He's the star of the show. He's one of the
executive producers. Like he has created such a safe environment
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by being not only like a wonderful person and a
very kind and generous human being, but also like a
very he's very boundaried, and that's what's important, Like there
are no lines crossed, and I'm really boundaried at work
as well. And I think that we worked beautifully together
because we respected each other's boundaries. We also respected the
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work we had to get done and get it done
in the most like, effective, safe, realistic way. And we
had a wonderful intimacy coordinator, Alison Jones, and did facilitate
a lot of conversations and also like allowed us to
figure out what was the best choreography for the scene,
what we were comfortable with. And that's how it's got
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to get done. It's just a lot of like communication
and trust.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Has anything ever gone terribly wrong?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yes, but I'm not going to talk on that, not
at all, on you, not on handmaids Tale, but in
the past.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yes, So now you're ready for anything.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean, I know how to protect myself and I
know how to look out for the people around me,
and I also know how to ask questions and how
to have boundaries, and I had to learn on the job,
and I also had to learn through feeling taken advantage of.
So I learned how to protect myself and don't mess
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with me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That coming out.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I know, girls take the girl out of do, but
you truly can't take the jersey out of the you know,
good for.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You, Good for you. I think it's important that we
all under those situations or any stressful situation right that
we're in our jobs that we know how to stand
up for ourselves and say something. It's the hardest thing
to do sometimes, but it's the most important thing to do.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah. Well, And also it's because it was born out
of the fact that I didn't have a voice at
other times and I felt so unprotected and unsafe that
I learned. And I do credit our Isa Letz, who
wrote Cam really taught me just by doing how to
protect myself. She was so protective of me shooting CAM
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that I learned how to speak up. I mean, she
was so on my team and made me feel more empowered.
And that's like it was just like invaluable to me.
And now I take it with me in every job
that I do. And it's not only in intimate scenes.
It's all over the map. Like I know what I like,
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I know what I don't like, I know how to compromise,
but I also know how to stand my ground.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And you're not afraid to say what you need to
say to stand that ground.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Good friend, anymore, I'm in my thirties, good for you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Isn't there freedom in that? Right? Like growing older and
like finding out who we are more and more each day,
and realizing that the person you were maybe ten years ago,
even on a set, afraid to say something, is no
longer that person anymore. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I love her and I protect myself for her,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, that's so awesome. Rock On. I love that that
you're in this new era of your life where you
feel good, you know, speaking of your truth. That's really
really cool. I think this show this season is going
to surprise so many people for a variety of different reasons.
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People love Joe Goldberg, the killer of this series, which
is a little problematic, but also okay, you know, we're
gonna go with it. Yeah, fine, I guess, but he's
become this beloved character for whatever the reasons may be.
How would you answer this question, what are three ways
that you can outsmart Joe Goldberg?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
How do I say this with any level of brevity?
Because he's so complicated and dealing with complicated and dangerous
people means a lot of like adaptation and like kind
of on your toes prepared for anything, but so outsmarting
Joe Goldberg how friendship, adaptation, and dedication. Okay, and those
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three things I think that Bronte. Really she has to
have all of those things. It's like the only way
that she gets through.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, well you see it all in the season for sure.
So that's a good, a good little setup for it.
I have to ask, because I was such a fan
of Gossip Girl growing up, did you watch Gossip Girl? Never?
Never saw so you weren't on setting? Like okay an
episode four of season three when you're all at the
Thanksgiving table, like none of that, you don't.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I had none of it? What I know, I just
like kind of missed. I think I spent a few
two years long, too many years long, like still watching SpongeBob,
like I was still in my life classic like Goofy
Girl era, still just being like a kid. I don't know,
while everybody else was watching, like watching gossip Girl and
like One Tree Hill, and I just wasn't really into it.
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I went straight from SpongeBob to Jersey Shore moved.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Oh my god, do you know when I started dating
who is my husband now? Him and his friends wanted
to go to the Jersey shorehouse so wet the Jersey Shore.
My family has a home and lava Lette and we
were at the Jersey Shore home at like two in
the morning doing the tour.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Weirdly, also went at like two am, but in the
middle of like January in high school.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
As one ship at two am to the Jersey Shore home.
It right, you saw the duck phone.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, I didn't see the duck phone.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well that's a loss on your part, because it was
pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We did see like the because you know it has
like the Italian flag.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I put up the Italian flag. I'm an Italian from Jersey. Yes,
I know that's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, you're you're a Dario.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yes, but that's that's another's another connection. See, I knew
I loved you when you walked in.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
My mom's maiden name is Faccio Ros. Oh my god,
I love we love it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I love our. I could turn listen to a whole
Italian episode.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And all the food and cookies.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I'm not going to digress because I'm very close
to doing it. Oh my god, now I'm distracted thinking
of my aunt's cookies that she makes every Christmas.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You like an Italian cookie?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh yeah, they're the Rocotta cookies. Italian cookieser to die for.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You've never been to Isros in Philly never Oh my god,
the best Italian cookies you'll ever have were like my
favorite bakery.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So interested in all. Okay, this is about you, to you,
back to you, to me, back to you, this back. Okay.
Are we going to get anything done today? Probably? And
I'm okay with it. I'm totally okay with the carry on.
This show has such a hungry appetite, we'll say, online,
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and people have so many interesting opinions and theories, and
when it comes out, I feel like it's always trending
and it's one of the most talked about shows uh
that exists in my opinion, Are you ready for all
of that because it's gonna you are going to be
the subject of conversation for months with the show coming out.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I think I'm I think I'm okay. I mean,
I have a really solid support system. I am like,
very comfortable in who I am. I also like, when
it was announced that I would play Bronte, I did
go on the comments and someone was like, oh my god,
she's ugly, and I was like, listen, no, and I
mean this truly, like I may not be your cup
of tea, but I am not ugly. Like, Okay, if
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you think I'm ugly I've done. That sucks for you
because you're missing out on how beautiful I am.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, I just like I think I'm gonna be fine.
I saw this thing on Instagram or TikTok or something
that was like, if people are giving me hate online,
if they're commenting giving me hate, maybe it's taking away
from them commenting on someone else who maybe might not
be able to take it. And like, I can take it.
That's not a challenge. Don't like do your worst. But
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I you know, I feel pretty comfortable. I know who
I am. I'm comfortable with who I am. I've seen
the whole season. I'm very happy with with my character
and with how the series ends. I think it stays
so consistent and stays so true to what it has
been the whole time. It's still the message I think
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is as strong as ever, and I'm I'm truly like
honored to be a part of its legacy because I
think that it is so slept on and like not
just like yes it is. It is like a very
popular show like in pop culture, but like the work
that Penn Badgeley is delivering, especially like through throughout all
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five seasons, but especially in the finale episode of like
the final season. It is such beautiful work and I
witnessed it firsthand, and I want him to be nominated
for an Emmy for playing Joe Goldberg. And I don't
mean that to like reward the character, but to understand
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that the show has a legacy far beyond like, oh
my god, Joe Goldberg like murder me. You know it's yeah,
I'm so proud of it, and I'm proud of Penn,
and I'm proud of me, and I'm proud of our
whole cast and all of our writers and our directors.
I'm so proud.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting you bring that up because
in our worlds, I always wonder why during Award season
the five same shows or like the only ones getting
the buzz and getting talked about, when there's so much
great art out there and so many great performances, and
like a show like you should be on her.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I think it should too, but but you know, there
are there are so many there are only so many places,
and I mean there's a lot of great TV, like
TV is in like it's golden era, and I'm very
happy to be working in television. I think some of
the best writers and directors and actors are working in TV.
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And yeah, I mean, awards are supposed to be the
cherry on top, you know, it's not the whole thing.
But I do think that Penn Badgeley should have a
gold statue.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, but will feel that way
about your performance too. You're proving yourself time and time again,
and I think they're in for a treat. And this show,
this is a is a reminder that your character is
not who you are, right. I think there's this funny
conflation of the two, especially in the world of social media,
where people get so passionate about these characters and it's
a role you played and you said goodbye and you're
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you know, now moving on and talking about the series.
But it's not you, I hope, no, it's I think that's.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So funny though. It's like the world that we live
in is like, especially we watch things on our phones
and where do we like look at our phones in
our bed, in our house, in our car, in our bathroom,
like in our intimate spaces, and then you're watching like
a show or a TikTok or an Instagram or something
in an intimate moment, and then you feel like you
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can't help but feel some sort of relationship with that
thing that you're witnessing because they're they're in your bed
with you. I mean, I know I've done that. I
saw the actress who plays Meredith on the Office. I
saw her years ago. I was in a casting office
and she'd like opened a door and I was like,
oh my god, hi, and I said hello to her,
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like we were best friends, and she was like hey.
I was like, oh my god. She doesn't know me,
but I've spent so much time with her, I feel
like I know her. I feel like she's my friend,
and like I can just go up to her and
ask her if she wants to go get a drink, Like, no,
you don't know me, I don't know you. But it's
such a weird time. I mean, I think that there's
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a lot of like parasocial stuff happening because of her
access to her. I keep looking at this thinking it's
my phone.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Your sage, my sage.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
No, it's way better for me than my phone, right, No,
But anyway, I digress. I'll just yeah, you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Here for it. I'm here for it, and you're right.
You're right about that. It's it's the day and agent
which we consume our entertainment that people feel like they
have a relationship with the character versus the human who's
playing that character. Right, It's such an interesting thing to me.
I have seen so many people talking about the red
hair in the season of You. People are very intrigued.
(23:56):
They wonder why that color, how you got the cuts
very bright? Well, because it's not your red hair.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I have blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
You have blonde hair.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm a blonde. So in the first season of The
Handmai's Dell in twenty sixteen, I had blonde hair, which
I had for my entire life, and Lizzie Elizabeth Moss
is blonde, and they were like, well, we can't possibly
have two blondes, and the crazy one is always going
to be a redhead. So they dyed my hair red
and I love it. I think it suits me really well.
I don't know that I'm going to keep it, but
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I just have red hair. So I my hair was
that short because I had like dyed it. I did
a show on the West End with my natural red hair,
and then when I finished that show, I was losing
my mind, because I just played Sally Bowls for like
four and a half months, and I was looking in
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the mirror seeing Sally Bowls and was like, I have
to get out of Imar, Germany. So I dyed my
hair almost black, and then I did a movie, and
then within one week I went to go shoot another
movie and I wanted my hair to be blonde. So
I went from nearly black to blonde in like one session,
lost half my hair, had to chop it all off,
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then went back red, and then had to chop more off.
And so that's why my hair looked that way, and
it was that bright because I was coming from blonde.
There was no rhyme. I love when people are like
ooh and because of this, and this is why I'm like, no,
it's just logistics.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Your hair was falling out. You needed a chop.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I needed to stop being blonde, otherwise I would have
a buzz cut right now. And I'm getting married, so
I wouldn't grow my hair out. And I also like
I was gonna eventually be going back to Handmaid's tail back.
Red's so funny. When I went into that audition for you,
they were like, we thought she was blonde. It's like,
oh sorry, I just died it like two weeks ago,
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but all the pictures on my Instagram were still blonde.
They kept it, but they kept it, thank goodness. I mean,
they tried me on a blonde wig that was fabulous,
But I looked like Jessica Simpson in like two thousand
and seven, and I just don't think that was the
vibe so well.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think I think the right adds to a little
bit of HER's.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I mean, she's very much giving manic pixie dream girl,
which is kind of the point because as you'll as
you'll learn, sorry, girl like, she positions herself in that way.
She dresses up a bit like a manic pixie dream
girl to entice him because Joe Goldberg is so easy,
(26:34):
Like she spent all these years learning about him and
trying to understand him and his psyche and and you
know what happened to Beck And so when she thinks
that she can infiltrate, you know, and and meet him
and and get him to fall in love with her,
she just is a manic pixie dream girl. Yeah, she
(26:55):
just she has no she is nothing but being super interesting, durable,
like and like a little goofy and complicated, and he
loves that. She knows that he'll lap it up, and
he does. What does happen is she doesn't plan to
fall in love with him. That part wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But always makes it complicated.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But like she that's what she adapts. She's like, I
think I can get him to fall in love with me.
I'll be a manic pixie dream and lo and behold,
she's right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Let's talk about a spoiler. So for everybody listening, if
you have not watched the full season yet, you might
want to fast forward for the next minute and a
half two minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I don't know, I talk a lot, maybe five minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Five minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The switch for your character the best talk to me
about that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh, I loved it. It was also the switch that
happens like in episode six, directed by Gabby de laal
and with It was basically just me and nov Mal
and I'm like huge baby Reindeer fans, so I was like,
oh my god, I get to hang out with navat
all day and she's so good and she's so like
Stern in that episode, and she's just like being really
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inquisitive because she's a detective, and uh, she was intense,
and I was like, I have a crush, but I
just like I loved doing that episode with her, but
it was hard, like trying to balance like, Okay, how
much of me has or how much of Bronte like
(28:31):
has the fear of this man still because to a
degree she does fear him. She watched him kill somebody,
and I think at that point she she really didn't
believe that he could do something like that. You know,
all of this was speculative, like, all of this was
kind of like grabbing bits and pieces of information from
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the internet for many years, and then to see him
in the flesh, like she didn't plan on falling in
love and then and she ultimately saves him because I
think she needed more proof. I mean I watched the
episode and I was like, girl, put him away, but
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you know, I have four seasons under my belt. She doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
What a moment.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It was fun, Yeah, it was. I mean it was
great to do the switch and then to understand everything
that came before and how it all works together. I Mean,
our writers are so wonderful. They just kind of established
this really elaborate plot but only kept me aware of
like certain bits of it, like didn't give me everything,
(29:41):
but like give me enough so that I'm like, Okay,
I do understand that we'll flash back to this and
this will be this will be important later, like stuff
in the bookstore and that scene it's like episode three
where you realize she's falling for him. I remember shooting
that scene and being like, god, Bronte get a grip. Yeah,
(30:03):
but she's I mean, she's just you look at her
past and she's she's experienced so much loss and so
much heartache, and I can't blame her for wanting to
be loved by this like rich, beautiful, intelligent, like charismatic person.
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But that is what the show is saying. It's like
anybody would fall in love with Joe Goldberg because of
who he is. It's what he does, it's his same,
it's his method. There's this great instagram called the Joe
Goldberg Joe Goldberg Method, and they like break down his
formula every single time, and he's doing it like when
you learn it, when you read it. It's like he
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does it with every single person. And you can start
seeing when he starts, you know, his like stalking and
then there's like ooh, like infiltration and coincidences, and then
there's always like you know, the falling in love and
then the dissolution of the relationship and then him making excuses,
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which is the structure that they do every single season,
right to the bitter end. I will tangent. My goodness,
I just can't stop talking.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I love hearing you talk. And I'm sitting here thinking
how the series it's like a warning sign for so
many women and men. I guess who are you know,
not that whoever they're going after is going to be
a serial killer, but you know, the narcissistic kind of
behavior of somebody who you don't want to be in
a relationship with. It's like, here are the things that
you should look for.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I think that it's like it's a playbook. Yeah,
it's crazy because I mean, I mean I used to
know these statistics. I think it's something like three and
ten women and one in ten men will experience enter
partner violence at some point in their lives something like that.
I was just like reading on the National Domestic Violence
thing the other day, and I mean it's utterly fascinating
(31:57):
because of how common it is and how taboo topic
it seems to be. And I think that that's something
that you does really well, is it shows you what
we are willing to let very attractive, white rich men
get away with time and time and time again. And
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there is the inevitable ending of the series. The series
has to end, which means that the character has to
either be dead or in jail. It's the only way
he's going to stop, because he's so addicted to this
this lifestyle and it's not even a lifestyle, it's like
a he is addicted to this pattern. And it's a
(32:41):
great it's a great show. It's very popular. We love it,
we love to make memes about it. But what that
show is saying is that I can't even I'm not
even gonna try to just like summarize what I think
the legacy of the show is. But for me, what
resonates is time and again we will let these men
get away with and there is a formula, and we
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have to protect ourselves. We have to be as much
as I hate to say it, like we have to
be incredibly cognizant as in our relationships, in new relationships,
because it is a dangerous world out there, and I mean,
like this is not right, but I'm pretty sure, like
(33:27):
the number one cause of death for women in the
United States is partners, is their partners or a family member.
I just I love the show, but I think that
it's saying so much more than just like like Murder Media.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Goldberg, right, it is. It has a lot of powerful messages.
Both shows that you're on right now have a lot of,
you know, culturally relevant and important messages that you've kind
of been in that world for so many years now
Between these two shows, I imagine you're ready for something
totally new.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I mean, I mean it's kind of my bread and
butter that though, like I like doing it. I like
diving into a very rich world I would love to
be in. Like a Netflix Christmas movie. That's like a
(34:27):
dream of mine because I watch them all like as
soon as they come out, except The Princess Switch What
I Have, which I haven't seen yet, which I'll probably
watch this Christmas.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You're a super fan of Netflix Christmas movies.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I love them. I mean, especially the one with Britt
robertson The Magic Yeah Show. We love that movie. That
so good.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I loved the the Lindsay Lowhan Christmas ones.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Oh, the two, there's two.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I watched both of them.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
And then caught Frosty. Of course.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Well, I mean, of course that was a great one too. Yeah,
they're classes.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, I love them. I mean they're fun. And it's
like I would like to do something that perhaps I
don't have to, Like my body doesn't need to be
ignited all the way throughout it, you know, where I
don't have to take a hot bath at the end
of the day and like slowly breathe, and you know,
like watch episodes of the Office. But I also like,
(35:17):
I love the work. I love the work that I
get to do. I'm I I don't I want to
do it forever. I mean, it's my it's my thing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I would love to see you in the White Lotus girl,
like you would be.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
The way I want to be in the White Lotus
so badly.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You would just kill it. I would love How do
we get you an employment with Mike White for season four?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well, you know, our time will come, me and Mike White.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I think that we have just will find each other someday.
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I'm manifesting it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But he really, God, does he know how to cast
a show because Amyleu Wood is so not delicious in
that in this last season, they're all great, such.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
A nuanced kind of acting, and it's such a subtle
kind of acting, and you bring that to the table.
It's very natural and seamless, and I don't know, I
just see it for you. So if that does happen,
we're going to play this back.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah that, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'll be on set as you're like fan blowing a
fan so you don't get too hot wherever you're filming
for you keep me grounded. Yeah, there we go. I
got you. I think I keep saying this, but I
seriously mean it. I think what you've accomplished is so impressive.
And I love artists, I love actors. I know the
struggle is so hard and real because it's such a
(36:33):
difficult business to be in and to keep keep one
uping yourself is not easy to do, and you keep
doing that, which is just so amazing. And I imagine
that you've learned quite a lot from day one on
The Handmaid's Tale to right now, because what a journey
you've been on. So does anything come to mind where
you're like, oh man, that was something I learned about
myself and I'm so damn happy I did.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, I mean, I grew up with Janine. I grew
up on this show. I started when I was twenty four,
Like I was. My frontal lobe wasn't cooked yet, as
they say, and I I will say, I it's getting older.
But also just like spending so many years on the
show with such magnificent actors like across the board, but
(37:21):
I was very lucky to work a lot with Anne Dowd.
Anne is the most kind and generous and loving. I
can't even begin to tell you how loving that woman is.
The kind of love that she gives not only to
the people sitting directly in front of her and she's
speaking to, but every single person in the room. I
(37:41):
can't believe such a small woman can hold that much love.
And she's she's just taught me a lot as a
human being, but also as an actor of of She
allows that love that she has to like she wears
it like a like a It's so alive in her
(38:08):
I've never seen someone live so second by second, millisecond
by millisecond in a scene she's there, It's it's an
extraordinary thing to watch, like I think if you ever
have the chance to witness and out in person doing
her work, there's nothing like it. And not only is
(38:30):
that inspiring, but it's also I have such profound respect
for her. It's kind of made me fall in love
with acting again watching her, because I've always loved acting,
but it's kind of been like a oh, I don't know,
and I want to do musical theater and no, no,
And then being on the show with Anne was like boom,
brought me right back to like right into focus of Oh,
(38:53):
this is this is the good shit, Like this is
how it's done. She's best in the world. I could
go I will go on and on for three days
about how much I love that woman.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's pretty clear you live and lead your life with
a lot of gratitude, and I think that's a very
important thing, and we all maybe sometimes forget that and
the chaos and craziness of life, but you seem to
be very grounded.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I have a lot to be grateful for though, don't
get me wrong, Like I have shot two incredible shows
in the last year. My family is happy and healthy
and I have a close relationship with them, and I'm
getting married and I'm very very blessed. I'm a blessed person.
I feel really lucky.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well, I think that's a beautiful thing. And I could
talk to you for four more hours, but I'm not
going to keep you. Yeah, I really could. I'm so
enjoying this conversation. But as we start to wrap up
the show, the name of the show is called I've
never said this before, and it was born from me
covering a lot of red carpets and jung kits on
another show I work on Extra and having you know,
(40:00):
minute and a half or three minutes with somebody and
just feeling like there wasn't enough time to have them
share something that maybe they wanted to share that's different
from the usual soundbites and the repetitive questions that are
asked by every single outlet in those situations. So I'm
wondering if today, is there anything you can think of
that you've never said before that you want to share.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well, this is interesting because, as we've learned, I am
a yapper. A thought comes into my head and it
comes right out of my mouth, which is not always great.
But I don't really have any I don't know. I
feel like I've said so much in my life. I
never shut up. The thing I was going to say
(40:43):
is I've never said this before, but Adrian Brodie was
on my birthday cake when I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Stop so you had a crush. Clearly they crushed. I
see on your wall, not on my wall.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He was my He was on my MySpace, and he
was on my Facebook for many years as like my hitter. No,
but my mom put him on my birthday cake when
I was fifteen, because I'm not kidding you, Like I
was obsessed with him, but not even in like a
he's so hot kind of way, like almost in like
an actor way. And it was because of this one
(41:18):
movie called Oxygen that came out in nineteen ninety nine
with him and Mara Tyranny that I don't know that
anybody but me has ever seen, and all my friends
when I was thirteen that I made watch it. But
I just loved him and I loved this story and
it was so fast paced and Mare Tyranny was so
good and it was a little bit sexual and weird.
Probably I was too young to be watching it, but
(41:39):
I think I rented it from Hollywood Video and I
was like, that looks good, and I was like who
is that man? And there's this incredible scene where he
takes this thing out of his thumb and it was
like gory and it was exhilarating, and he's hot and
he embraces I.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Don't know, he just did it for you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I just loved him and I've I've loved him ever since.
I've loved him. You just want an Oscar? And he
yapped just like I do.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
He's a yappers a yapper. So if you got to
work with him, would you absolutely die stupid? Like would
you be able to talk? Even you speak? Can you
look at him? Like? I mean, what are we going
to do?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I tend to get my fan girling out of the
way pretty quickly, but like I'm I'm a professional and
I love the work and he does seem to love
the work as well, and I think that we would
work very well together.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
So if I could get him to be a groomsman
in the upcoming wedding of yours, would you want that
to happen?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
A groomsman? Yeah, I've only got eyes for one man.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
There we go, there it is, I'm like, talk talk
your man up right now.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I have only guys for one person in this world.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Adrian was a thing of the past.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
But yeah, not anymore. He's just a guy, just a guy.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Well, that's so awesome. I love that. I love that.
I've never said that before. I've I've had my share
of those two which I'm not going to reveal right now,
over the years. But that's a thank you. Thank you
for hanging out.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
You.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You are lovely. I am so proud of all of
your success, even though we just met. I'm like a
proud Italian cousin because I just I love your work.
I love what you do. I think you're going to
continue doing the coolest shit in this business. But please,
for the love of God, go take a bubble bath
and sage your entire aura to just step into your
next portion of your life. Thank you, Thank you so much. Everybody,
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go watch you. It is out now. I've Never Said
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(43:44):
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Until next time, I'm Tommy de Dario
Hello you. Oh my god. I wanted to say that
for quite some time now, and today was the perfect
excuse to pull out that iconic Joe Goldberg line, welcome, welcome,
welcome to I've never said this before with me, Tommy
Di Dario, No, and not Joe Goldberg. Happy to report
it is me, But I am so excited because the
fan favorite TV series You is back for their final
(00:24):
season and today's guest is the badass, brand new final
girl and object of Joe's affection, Madeline Brewer. You know
and love Madeline from her Emmy nominative portrayal of Janine
and Hulu's The Handmaid's Tale, which is also out right
now in its sixth and final season. So between The
Handmaid's Tale and this final season of You, Madeline is
(00:45):
busy and booked, and let me tell you it is
all well deserved, because if you know her work, you
know that she delivers some of the most powerful performances
in all of television. And yes, she has a bunch
of impressive TV and film credits under her belt, even
a stint on the West Stending Cabaret. But all of
that is to say she is certainly one to keep
watching Oh, and my favorite thing perhaps is she's from Jersey,
(01:07):
and when you put two Jersey natives together in a room,
well anything can happen. And let me tell you, we
kind of go in a lot of different directions in
this conversation, but it's fun, I promise. So let's see
if today we can get Madeline to say something that
she has never said before. Mattel and Brewer, how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I kind of love you already. I'm just gonna say it.
We've been talking good time. I know we've been talking
off camera and I'm like, Oh, I like your vibe.
You're fine, You're fun. I feel like you're really fun
at a party.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh, I have to say I am quite fun. Well,
it's because I like, I love a martini and a boogie.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh okay, So you like to break it down.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I absolutely do. If there's a dance floor, I will
find it.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well. I don't want to brag, but I was a
hip hop instructor at the YMCA and New Jersey growing up.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So are you from New Jersey?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I am from New Jersey's part Union County, Berkeley Heights.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh my gosh, I'm from Gloucester County. I'm from way
south outside of Philly, Jersey. I mean, we find each other.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We always find no wonder why I like you. Oh
my god, I knew it. I knew it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I am so excited for everything you have going on.
You are right now on two of the hottest shows
this spring, like who gets to do that? Right, the
Handmaid's Tale and you killing it. But I feel like
you have had a lot going on on both of
these shows, Like, yeah, the level of intensity and the
things your characters.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Have to do, you have to do, have to go through,
have to put up with.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, I brought you a gift because I feel like
we need to start properly, and I want you to
take this yea, And I want you to sage your
whole life. When you leave, sage your entire life. That
is for you. You just light it and release that
energy now that you're wrapping those shows and start fresh.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, kind of like release some of the bad vibe.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's been a lot hot, but fun.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
The best experiences of my life, I mean, bar none,
Like I've had so much fun. I've gotten to play
two vastly different characters, both a little bit nutty in
their own ways and I mean, I just came from
my final session of ADR for The Handmaid's Tale, so
I watched the finale. Can I can see on my
(03:18):
face a tear in my full glam? I got done
this morning because I had to like do glam, go
to ADR, and then come here weeping, weeping. It is
a gorgeous, gorgeous finale. Lizzie Moss directed, and really there's
nothing that this woman can't do. So I don't know
(03:40):
why I was surprised at all that it is the
most extraordinary episode of the Handmaid's Tale I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Wow, it's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
With all of this going on, do you feel like, man,
I've arrived, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I mean, I guess, like yes and no. I'm doing
like more press than I've ever done, especially with having
two shows come out almost simultaneously. But I'm an actor
and I'm already looking for what my next project will be.
I do feel in a position to be a like
(04:14):
a touch more picky than I have been, because I
really want to be. I want to make a very
conscious decision, a very deliberate decision about where what I
decided to do next. I've also spent the last like
nine years in Gilead, and there's a trauma in and
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of itself to be in that place for so many years.
And then like I mean, you'll see it in the
final season of You. It's what's some tough stuff, Like
it's intense and like you know, the things you have
to research to kind of get into these characters, Like
spending a lot of time researching domestic violence is not
(05:00):
super fun but totally necessary part of the job. And
that's my favorite thing. I feel like that's my bread
and butter, is the research. I think I'm an okay
actor too, but I love to do the research.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, I that. I mean that's a lot to
put your mind through consistently for so many years between
the two shows. Like I said earlier, it's a lot
of intense moments that you have to go through as
a human being, yes, as a character, but you have
to feel it. I mean, that's your job to feel it.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Which is wild and like your body doesn't know that
what you're doing isn't real. Like there's an episode, I mean,
especially the finale of You, and also there's one or
two episodes in this final season of Handmaid's Tale where
I mean I was ignited like I was. My heart
was racing. You know, your body's responding all too in
all like all stress response, like fight or flight. I
(05:50):
begin sweating, like my mouth became dry a little bit
of like palpitations, and I'm like, then I'm just sitting down,
like having a chat with my friend who was one
of our ads, and I'm like, I think I need
I think I need to go be quiet. Like it's
traumatizing for your physical self to put yourself in that
(06:10):
place repeatedly. And that's why I think a lot of
actors have really great self care routines. Yeah they should.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I was going to say, I feel like I would
need a lot of therapy if I were playing the
role playing Well, therapy.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Is necessary for everybody, yes, But it's funny. I've never
actually spoken to a therapist about my characters because I
do leave like I know how to take care of them,
because I know how to take care of me, so
I know how to do that. Like separation of life
and work, I'm a set of church and state. Which
(06:46):
where's that going anyway?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's really interesting. Well, I'm so excited for everything going on.
You is just such an amazing show. And I know
you were such a fan of it before join and
here you are now playing the final girl in the
final season of such a beloved series. With that, did
you have any I don't know, trepidation or anxiety joining
(07:10):
a show that you loved so much?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Anxiety, I don't think anxiety. I mean I was just excited,
really and like honored to be a part of it,
and really honored that they like trusted me to do
this final time, like to embody this final person. And
Bronte is such a wild character that you see her
(07:35):
change throughout the course of the series or the season,
and I was just stoked that they let me come
play because I am a huge fan and especially season
one is one of my favorite seasons of television like ever.
And so this this homecoming of coming back to New York,
and you know, I had moved back to New York
after being in LA for like seven years, and it
(07:55):
just felt like a real full circle moment for me.
And you know, walking into Moonies like super fan, like
girl you would love it.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Right now, Like.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It was so cool, like really that moment where you know,
as an actor, you you get to go onto these
magnificent sets and and these costumes and the hair and makeup,
and it's also fun and you drop right in. But
to join something you're already a fan of and so
excited to be a part of the world, and then
(08:33):
to play freaking cool character. Oh a lucky girl. I
am a lucky deck.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Tell you well, let me tell you that character has
quite a few screws loose.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
She is a.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Little out there, right is It's so much fun playing
like that, you know, I mean, I don't want to
say it comes very easy for you, but you play
Craig cray a little.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's the eyes. I mean, you've got them to crazy.
We like, it's like when you have big eyes. I
feel like, especially on a screen, one little look it
says a lot. And so that's why on Handmaid's Tale,
I joked that they took away half my real estate,
because like, this is half my it's half my money maker.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
You're in the iPad.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I'm in the iPad. But no, it was. I love
playing these characters with a bit of a screw loose.
I love playing someone that you're just you kind of
can't figure out. Bronte was is described as enigmatic in
like the character description, but like she was an enigma
to me. I oftentimes was like, where are we going,
(09:36):
what are we doing? Why are you doing that? And
like I am the audience over here, but also bronte
over here, like fighting, Like how I imagine a lot
of people be when watching the show, like girl, don't
what are you doing? Don't go in there, like yelling,
and when you're watching a horror movie like I'll be
right back.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, no you won't. Yeah, she's great. It's it's such
a great character in the final season and people I
think are going to respond in a variety of different
ways to her. For sure. This season has a lot
of intimate moments. Sure does right, and you and Pen
you deliver. You guys deliver, And I imagine that's something
(10:16):
as an actor you're used to it, right, But how
do you get comfortable with a co star like Pen
and do those moments and do those scenes in form
that so that it feels kind of normal?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah? Pen and I are both old hat at this,
Like I have done so many like simulated sex scenes.
I also did an entire movie playing a camgirl and like,
I'm very comfortable also that set. Doing the movie cam
taught me a lot about my own autonomy and like
my voice, and so I am very comfortable on a
set like that, I can say, hey, I'm comfortable, Hey
(10:50):
I'm not. This isn't right. How which way are we
shooting this? Can I please see the frame? Like I
know that there are certain things I'm comfortable with and
certain things I'm not, which is why the reduction of
intimacy coordinators has been so essential. Like I think that, yes,
actors should lead the conversation with each other, and an
intimacy coordinator can facilitate those conversations or assist or allow space,
(11:13):
but also hold space, hold space for defying gravity. And
stupid said that I couldn't help it, but I you know,
Penn has been doing this show now on its fifth season.
He's the star of the show. He's one of the
executive producers. Like he has created such a safe environment
(11:36):
by being not only like a wonderful person and a
very kind and generous human being, but also like a
very he's very boundaried, and that's what's important, Like there
are no lines crossed, and I'm really boundaried at work
as well. And I think that we worked beautifully together
because we respected each other's boundaries. We also respected the
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work we had to get done and get it done
in the most like, effective, safe, realistic way. And we
had a wonderful intimacy coordinator, Alison Jones, and did facilitate
a lot of conversations and also like allowed us to
figure out what was the best choreography for the scene,
what we were comfortable with. And that's how it's got
(12:18):
to get done. It's just a lot of like communication
and trust.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Has anything ever gone terribly wrong?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yes, but I'm not going to talk on that, not
at all, on you, not on handmaids Tale, but in
the past.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yes, So now you're ready for anything.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean, I know how to protect myself and I
know how to look out for the people around me,
and I also know how to ask questions and how
to have boundaries, and I had to learn on the job,
and I also had to learn through feeling taken advantage of.
So I learned how to protect myself and don't mess
(12:53):
with me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That coming out.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I know, girls take the girl out of do, but
you truly can't take the jersey out of the you know,
good for.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You, Good for you. I think it's important that we
all under those situations or any stressful situation right that
we're in our jobs that we know how to stand
up for ourselves and say something. It's the hardest thing
to do sometimes, but it's the most important thing to do.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah. Well, And also it's because it was born out
of the fact that I didn't have a voice at
other times and I felt so unprotected and unsafe that
I learned. And I do credit our Isa Letz, who
wrote Cam really taught me just by doing how to
protect myself. She was so protective of me shooting CAM
(13:37):
that I learned how to speak up. I mean, she
was so on my team and made me feel more empowered.
And that's like it was just like invaluable to me.
And now I take it with me in every job
that I do. And it's not only in intimate scenes.
It's all over the map. Like I know what I like,
(13:57):
I know what I don't like, I know how to compromise,
but I also know how to stand my ground.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
And you're not afraid to say what you need to
say to stand that ground.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Good friend, anymore, I'm in my thirties, good for you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Isn't there freedom in that? Right? Like growing older and
like finding out who we are more and more each day,
and realizing that the person you were maybe ten years ago,
even on a set, afraid to say something, is no
longer that person anymore. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, I love her and I protect myself for her,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, that's so awesome. Rock On. I love that that
you're in this new era of your life where you
feel good, you know, speaking of your truth. That's really
really cool. I think this show this season is going
to surprise so many people for a variety of different reasons.
(14:46):
People love Joe Goldberg, the killer of this series, which
is a little problematic, but also okay, you know, we're
gonna go with it. Yeah, fine, I guess, but he's
become this beloved character for whatever the reasons may be.
How would you answer this question, what are three ways
that you can outsmart Joe Goldberg?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
How do I say this with any level of brevity?
Because he's so complicated and dealing with complicated and dangerous
people means a lot of like adaptation and like kind
of on your toes prepared for anything, but so outsmarting
Joe Goldberg how friendship, adaptation, and dedication. Okay, and those
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three things I think that Bronte. Really she has to
have all of those things. It's like the only way
that she gets through.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, well you see it all in the season for sure.
So that's a good, a good little setup for it.
I have to ask, because I was such a fan
of Gossip Girl growing up, did you watch Gossip Girl? Never?
Never saw so you weren't on setting? Like okay an
episode four of season three when you're all at the
Thanksgiving table, like none of that, you don't.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I had none of it? What I know, I just
like kind of missed. I think I spent a few
two years long, too many years long, like still watching SpongeBob,
like I was still in my life classic like Goofy
Girl era, still just being like a kid. I don't know,
while everybody else was watching, like watching gossip Girl and
like One Tree Hill, and I just wasn't really into it.
(16:34):
I went straight from SpongeBob to Jersey Shore moved.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Oh my god, do you know when I started dating
who is my husband now? Him and his friends wanted
to go to the Jersey shorehouse so wet the Jersey Shore.
My family has a home and lava Lette and we
were at the Jersey Shore home at like two in
the morning doing the tour.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Weirdly, also went at like two am, but in the
middle of like January in high school.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
As one ship at two am to the Jersey Shore home.
It right, you saw the duck phone.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, I didn't see the duck phone.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well that's a loss on your part, because it was
pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We did see like the because you know it has
like the Italian flag.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I put up the Italian flag. I'm an Italian from Jersey. Yes,
I know that's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, you're you're a Dario.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yes, but that's that's another's another connection. See, I knew
I loved you when you walked in.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
My mom's maiden name is Faccio Ros. Oh my god,
I love we love it.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I love our. I could turn listen to a whole
Italian episode.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And all the food and cookies.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
But I'm not going to digress because I'm very close
to doing it. Oh my god, now I'm distracted thinking
of my aunt's cookies that she makes every Christmas.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You like an Italian cookie?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh yeah, they're the Rocotta cookies. Italian cookieser to die for.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You've never been to Isros in Philly never Oh my god,
the best Italian cookies you'll ever have were like my
favorite bakery.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
So interested in all. Okay, this is about you, to you,
back to you, to me, back to you, this back. Okay.
Are we going to get anything done today? Probably? And
I'm okay with it. I'm totally okay with the carry on.
This show has such a hungry appetite, we'll say, online,
(18:18):
and people have so many interesting opinions and theories, and
when it comes out, I feel like it's always trending
and it's one of the most talked about shows uh
that exists in my opinion, Are you ready for all
of that because it's gonna you are going to be
the subject of conversation for months with the show coming out.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I think I'm I think I'm okay. I mean,
I have a really solid support system. I am like,
very comfortable in who I am. I also like, when
it was announced that I would play Bronte, I did
go on the comments and someone was like, oh my god,
she's ugly, and I was like, listen, no, and I
mean this truly, like I may not be your cup
of tea, but I am not ugly. Like, Okay, if
(18:58):
you think I'm ugly I've done. That sucks for you
because you're missing out on how beautiful I am.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
There we go.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, I just like I think I'm gonna be fine.
I saw this thing on Instagram or TikTok or something
that was like, if people are giving me hate online,
if they're commenting giving me hate, maybe it's taking away
from them commenting on someone else who maybe might not
be able to take it. And like, I can take it.
That's not a challenge. Don't like do your worst. But
(19:28):
I you know, I feel pretty comfortable. I know who
I am. I'm comfortable with who I am. I've seen
the whole season. I'm very happy with with my character
and with how the series ends. I think it stays
so consistent and stays so true to what it has
been the whole time. It's still the message I think
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is as strong as ever, and I'm I'm truly like
honored to be a part of its legacy because I
think that it is so slept on and like not
just like yes it is. It is like a very
popular show like in pop culture, but like the work
that Penn Badgeley is delivering, especially like through throughout all
(20:13):
five seasons, but especially in the finale episode of like
the final season. It is such beautiful work and I
witnessed it firsthand, and I want him to be nominated
for an Emmy for playing Joe Goldberg. And I don't
mean that to like reward the character, but to understand
(20:35):
that the show has a legacy far beyond like, oh
my god, Joe Goldberg like murder me. You know it's yeah,
I'm so proud of it, and I'm proud of Penn,
and I'm proud of me, and I'm proud of our
whole cast and all of our writers and our directors.
I'm so proud.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting you bring that up because
in our worlds, I always wonder why during Award season
the five same shows or like the only ones getting
the buzz and getting talked about, when there's so much
great art out there and so many great performances, and
like a show like you should be on her.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I think it should too, but but you know, there
are there are so many there are only so many places,
and I mean there's a lot of great TV, like
TV is in like it's golden era, and I'm very
happy to be working in television. I think some of
the best writers and directors and actors are working in TV.
(21:31):
And yeah, I mean, awards are supposed to be the
cherry on top, you know, it's not the whole thing.
But I do think that Penn Badgeley should have a
gold statue.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, but will feel that way
about your performance too. You're proving yourself time and time again,
and I think they're in for a treat. And this show,
this is a is a reminder that your character is
not who you are, right. I think there's this funny
conflation of the two, especially in the world of social media,
where people get so passionate about these characters and it's
a role you played and you said goodbye and you're
(22:05):
you know, now moving on and talking about the series.
But it's not you, I hope, no, it's I think that's.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So funny though. It's like the world that we live
in is like, especially we watch things on our phones
and where do we like look at our phones in
our bed, in our house, in our car, in our bathroom,
like in our intimate spaces, and then you're watching like
a show or a TikTok or an Instagram or something
in an intimate moment, and then you feel like you
(22:34):
can't help but feel some sort of relationship with that
thing that you're witnessing because they're they're in your bed
with you. I mean, I know I've done that. I
saw the actress who plays Meredith on the Office. I
saw her years ago. I was in a casting office
and she'd like opened a door and I was like,
oh my god, hi, and I said hello to her,
(22:56):
like we were best friends, and she was like hey.
I was like, oh my god. She doesn't know me,
but I've spent so much time with her, I feel
like I know her. I feel like she's my friend,
and like I can just go up to her and
ask her if she wants to go get a drink, Like, no,
you don't know me, I don't know you. But it's
such a weird time. I mean, I think that there's
(23:18):
a lot of like parasocial stuff happening because of her
access to her. I keep looking at this thinking it's
my phone.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Your sage, my sage.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
No, it's way better for me than my phone, right, No,
But anyway, I digress. I'll just yeah, you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Here for it. I'm here for it, and you're right.
You're right about that. It's it's the day and agent
which we consume our entertainment that people feel like they
have a relationship with the character versus the human who's
playing that character. Right, It's such an interesting thing to me.
I have seen so many people talking about the red
hair in the season of You. People are very intrigued.
(23:56):
They wonder why that color, how you got the cuts
very bright? Well, because it's not your red hair.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I have blonde hair.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
You have blonde hair.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I'm a blonde. So in the first season of The
Handmai's Dell in twenty sixteen, I had blonde hair, which
I had for my entire life, and Lizzie Elizabeth Moss
is blonde, and they were like, well, we can't possibly
have two blondes, and the crazy one is always going
to be a redhead. So they dyed my hair red
and I love it. I think it suits me really well.
I don't know that I'm going to keep it, but
(24:30):
I just have red hair. So I my hair was
that short because I had like dyed it. I did
a show on the West End with my natural red hair,
and then when I finished that show, I was losing
my mind, because I just played Sally Bowls for like
four and a half months, and I was looking in
(24:50):
the mirror seeing Sally Bowls and was like, I have
to get out of Imar, Germany. So I dyed my
hair almost black, and then I did a movie, and
then within one week I went to go shoot another
movie and I wanted my hair to be blonde. So
I went from nearly black to blonde in like one session,
lost half my hair, had to chop it all off,
(25:12):
then went back red, and then had to chop more off.
And so that's why my hair looked that way, and
it was that bright because I was coming from blonde.
There was no rhyme. I love when people are like
ooh and because of this, and this is why I'm like, no,
it's just logistics.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Your hair was falling out. You needed a chop.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I needed to stop being blonde, otherwise I would have
a buzz cut right now. And I'm getting married, so
I wouldn't grow my hair out. And I also like
I was gonna eventually be going back to Handmaid's tail back.
Red's so funny. When I went into that audition for you,
they were like, we thought she was blonde. It's like,
oh sorry, I just died it like two weeks ago,
(25:52):
but all the pictures on my Instagram were still blonde.
They kept it, but they kept it, thank goodness. I mean,
they tried me on a blonde wig that was fabulous,
But I looked like Jessica Simpson in like two thousand
and seven, and I just don't think that was the
vibe so well.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think I think the right adds to a little
bit of HER's.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I mean, she's very much giving manic pixie dream girl,
which is kind of the point because as you'll as
you'll learn, sorry, girl like, she positions herself in that way.
She dresses up a bit like a manic pixie dream
girl to entice him because Joe Goldberg is so easy,
(26:34):
Like she spent all these years learning about him and
trying to understand him and his psyche and and you
know what happened to Beck And so when she thinks
that she can infiltrate, you know, and and meet him
and and get him to fall in love with her,
she just is a manic pixie dream girl. Yeah, she
(26:55):
just she has no she is nothing but being super interesting, durable,
like and like a little goofy and complicated, and he
loves that. She knows that he'll lap it up, and
he does. What does happen is she doesn't plan to
fall in love with him. That part wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But always makes it complicated.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
But like she that's what she adapts. She's like, I
think I can get him to fall in love with me.
I'll be a manic pixie dream and lo and behold,
she's right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Let's talk about a spoiler. So for everybody listening, if
you have not watched the full season yet, you might
want to fast forward for the next minute and a
half two minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
I don't know, I talk a lot, maybe five minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Five minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
The switch for your character the best talk to me
about that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Oh, I loved it. It was also the switch that
happens like in episode six, directed by Gabby de laal
and with It was basically just me and nov Mal
and I'm like huge baby Reindeer fans, so I was like,
oh my god, I get to hang out with navat
all day and she's so good and she's so like
Stern in that episode, and she's just like being really
(28:11):
inquisitive because she's a detective, and uh, she was intense,
and I was like, I have a crush, but I
just like I loved doing that episode with her, but
it was hard, like trying to balance like, Okay, how
much of me has or how much of Bronte like
(28:31):
has the fear of this man still because to a
degree she does fear him. She watched him kill somebody,
and I think at that point she she really didn't
believe that he could do something like that. You know,
all of this was speculative, like, all of this was
kind of like grabbing bits and pieces of information from
(28:52):
the internet for many years, and then to see him
in the flesh, like she didn't plan on falling in
love and then and she ultimately saves him because I
think she needed more proof. I mean I watched the
episode and I was like, girl, put him away, but
(29:12):
you know, I have four seasons under my belt. She doesn't.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
What a moment.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
It was fun, Yeah, it was. I mean it was
great to do the switch and then to understand everything
that came before and how it all works together. I Mean,
our writers are so wonderful. They just kind of established
this really elaborate plot but only kept me aware of
like certain bits of it, like didn't give me everything,
(29:41):
but like give me enough so that I'm like, Okay,
I do understand that we'll flash back to this and
this will be this will be important later, like stuff
in the bookstore and that scene it's like episode three
where you realize she's falling for him. I remember shooting
that scene and being like, god, Bronte get a grip. Yeah,
(30:03):
but she's I mean, she's just you look at her
past and she's she's experienced so much loss and so
much heartache, and I can't blame her for wanting to
be loved by this like rich, beautiful, intelligent, like charismatic person.
(30:24):
But that is what the show is saying. It's like
anybody would fall in love with Joe Goldberg because of
who he is. It's what he does, it's his same,
it's his method. There's this great instagram called the Joe
Goldberg Joe Goldberg Method, and they like break down his
formula every single time, and he's doing it like when
you learn it, when you read it. It's like he
(30:44):
does it with every single person. And you can start
seeing when he starts, you know, his like stalking and
then there's like ooh, like infiltration and coincidences, and then
there's always like you know, the falling in love and
then the dissolution of the relationship and then him making excuses,
(31:06):
which is the structure that they do every single season,
right to the bitter end. I will tangent. My goodness,
I just can't stop talking.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I love hearing you talk. And I'm sitting here thinking
how the series it's like a warning sign for so
many women and men. I guess who are you know,
not that whoever they're going after is going to be
a serial killer, but you know, the narcissistic kind of
behavior of somebody who you don't want to be in
a relationship with. It's like, here are the things that
you should look for.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I think that it's like it's a playbook. Yeah,
it's crazy because I mean, I mean I used to
know these statistics. I think it's something like three and
ten women and one in ten men will experience enter
partner violence at some point in their lives something like that.
I was just like reading on the National Domestic Violence
thing the other day, and I mean it's utterly fascinating
(31:57):
because of how common it is and how taboo topic
it seems to be. And I think that that's something
that you does really well, is it shows you what
we are willing to let very attractive, white rich men
get away with time and time and time again. And
(32:18):
there is the inevitable ending of the series. The series
has to end, which means that the character has to
either be dead or in jail. It's the only way
he's going to stop, because he's so addicted to this
this lifestyle and it's not even a lifestyle, it's like
a he is addicted to this pattern. And it's a
(32:41):
great it's a great show. It's very popular. We love it,
we love to make memes about it. But what that
show is saying is that I can't even I'm not
even gonna try to just like summarize what I think
the legacy of the show is. But for me, what
resonates is time and again we will let these men
get away with and there is a formula, and we
(33:05):
have to protect ourselves. We have to be as much
as I hate to say it, like we have to
be incredibly cognizant as in our relationships, in new relationships,
because it is a dangerous world out there, and I mean,
like this is not right, but I'm pretty sure, like
(33:27):
the number one cause of death for women in the
United States is partners, is their partners or a family member.
I just I love the show, but I think that
it's saying so much more than just like like Murder Media.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Goldberg, right, it is. It has a lot of powerful messages.
Both shows that you're on right now have a lot of,
you know, culturally relevant and important messages that you've kind
of been in that world for so many years now
Between these two shows, I imagine you're ready for something
totally new.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I mean, I mean it's kind of my bread and
butter that though, like I like doing it. I like
diving into a very rich world I would love to
be in. Like a Netflix Christmas movie. That's like a
(34:27):
dream of mine because I watch them all like as
soon as they come out, except The Princess Switch What
I Have, which I haven't seen yet, which I'll probably
watch this Christmas.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You're a super fan of Netflix Christmas movies.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I love them. I mean, especially the one with Britt
robertson The Magic Yeah Show. We love that movie. That
so good.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
I loved the the Lindsay Lowhan Christmas ones.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Oh, the two, there's two.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I watched both of them.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
And then caught Frosty. Of course.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Well, I mean, of course that was a great one too. Yeah,
they're classes.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, I love them. I mean they're fun. And it's
like I would like to do something that perhaps I
don't have to, Like my body doesn't need to be
ignited all the way throughout it, you know, where I
don't have to take a hot bath at the end
of the day and like slowly breathe, and you know,
like watch episodes of the Office. But I also like,
(35:17):
I love the work. I love the work that I
get to do. I'm I I don't I want to
do it forever. I mean, it's my it's my thing.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
I would love to see you in the White Lotus girl,
like you would be.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
The way I want to be in the White Lotus
so badly.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
You would just kill it. I would love How do
we get you an employment with Mike White for season four?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well, you know, our time will come, me and Mike White.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I think that we have just will find each other someday.
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I'm manifesting it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
But he really, God, does he know how to cast
a show because Amyleu Wood is so not delicious in
that in this last season, they're all great, such.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
A nuanced kind of acting, and it's such a subtle
kind of acting, and you bring that to the table.
It's very natural and seamless, and I don't know, I
just see it for you. So if that does happen,
we're going to play this back.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah that, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'll be on set as you're like fan blowing a
fan so you don't get too hot wherever you're filming
for you keep me grounded. Yeah, there we go. I
got you. I think I keep saying this, but I
seriously mean it. I think what you've accomplished is so impressive.
And I love artists, I love actors. I know the
struggle is so hard and real because it's such a
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difficult business to be in and to keep keep one
uping yourself is not easy to do, and you keep
doing that, which is just so amazing. And I imagine
that you've learned quite a lot from day one on
The Handmaid's Tale to right now, because what a journey
you've been on. So does anything come to mind where
you're like, oh man, that was something I learned about
myself and I'm so damn happy I did.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, I mean, I grew up with Janine. I grew
up on this show. I started when I was twenty four,
Like I was. My frontal lobe wasn't cooked yet, as
they say, and I I will say, I it's getting older.
But also just like spending so many years on the
show with such magnificent actors like across the board, but
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I was very lucky to work a lot with Anne Dowd.
Anne is the most kind and generous and loving. I
can't even begin to tell you how loving that woman is.
The kind of love that she gives not only to
the people sitting directly in front of her and she's
speaking to, but every single person in the room. I
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can't believe such a small woman can hold that much love.
And she's she's just taught me a lot as a
human being, but also as an actor of of She
allows that love that she has to like she wears
it like a like a It's so alive in her
(38:08):
I've never seen someone live so second by second, millisecond
by millisecond in a scene she's there, It's it's an
extraordinary thing to watch, like I think if you ever
have the chance to witness and out in person doing
her work, there's nothing like it. And not only is
(38:30):
that inspiring, but it's also I have such profound respect
for her. It's kind of made me fall in love
with acting again watching her, because I've always loved acting,
but it's kind of been like a oh, I don't know,
and I want to do musical theater and no, no,
And then being on the show with Anne was like boom,
brought me right back to like right into focus of Oh,
(38:53):
this is this is the good shit, Like this is
how it's done. She's best in the world. I could
go I will go on and on for three days
about how much I love that woman.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
It's pretty clear you live and lead your life with
a lot of gratitude, and I think that's a very
important thing, and we all maybe sometimes forget that and
the chaos and craziness of life, but you seem to
be very grounded.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I have a lot to be grateful for though, don't
get me wrong, Like I have shot two incredible shows
in the last year. My family is happy and healthy
and I have a close relationship with them, and I'm
getting married and I'm very very blessed. I'm a blessed person.
I feel really lucky.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Well, I think that's a beautiful thing. And I could
talk to you for four more hours, but I'm not
going to keep you. Yeah, I really could. I'm so
enjoying this conversation. But as we start to wrap up
the show, the name of the show is called I've
never said this before, and it was born from me
covering a lot of red carpets and jung kits on
another show I work on Extra and having you know,
(40:00):
minute and a half or three minutes with somebody and
just feeling like there wasn't enough time to have them
share something that maybe they wanted to share that's different
from the usual soundbites and the repetitive questions that are
asked by every single outlet in those situations. So I'm
wondering if today, is there anything you can think of
that you've never said before that you want to share.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Well, this is interesting because, as we've learned, I am
a yapper. A thought comes into my head and it
comes right out of my mouth, which is not always great.
But I don't really have any I don't know. I
feel like I've said so much in my life. I
never shut up. The thing I was going to say
(40:43):
is I've never said this before, but Adrian Brodie was
on my birthday cake when I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Stop so you had a crush. Clearly they crushed. I
see on your wall, not on my wall.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
He was my He was on my MySpace, and he
was on my Facebook for many years as like my hitter. No,
but my mom put him on my birthday cake when
I was fifteen, because I'm not kidding you, Like I
was obsessed with him, but not even in like a
he's so hot kind of way, like almost in like
an actor way. And it was because of this one
(41:18):
movie called Oxygen that came out in nineteen ninety nine
with him and Mara Tyranny that I don't know that
anybody but me has ever seen, and all my friends
when I was thirteen that I made watch it. But
I just loved him and I loved this story and
it was so fast paced and Mare Tyranny was so
good and it was a little bit sexual and weird.
Probably I was too young to be watching it, but
(41:39):
I think I rented it from Hollywood Video and I
was like, that looks good, and I was like who
is that man? And there's this incredible scene where he
takes this thing out of his thumb and it was
like gory and it was exhilarating, and he's hot and
he embraces I.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Don't know, he just did it for you.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I just loved him and I've I've loved him ever since.
I've loved him. You just want an Oscar? And he
yapped just like I do.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
He's a yappers a yapper. So if you got to
work with him, would you absolutely die stupid? Like would
you be able to talk? Even you speak? Can you
look at him? Like? I mean, what are we going
to do?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I tend to get my fan girling out of the
way pretty quickly, but like I'm I'm a professional and
I love the work and he does seem to love
the work as well, and I think that we would
work very well together.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
So if I could get him to be a groomsman
in the upcoming wedding of yours, would you want that
to happen?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
A groomsman? Yeah, I've only got eyes for one man.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
There we go, there it is, I'm like, talk talk
your man up right now.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
I have only guys for one person in this world.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Adrian was a thing of the past.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
But yeah, not anymore. He's just a guy, just a guy.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Well, that's so awesome. I love that. I love that.
I've never said that before. I've I've had my share
of those two which I'm not going to reveal right now,
over the years. But that's a thank you. Thank you
for hanging out.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
You.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You are lovely. I am so proud of all of
your success, even though we just met. I'm like a
proud Italian cousin because I just I love your work.
I love what you do. I think you're going to
continue doing the coolest shit in this business. But please,
for the love of God, go take a bubble bath
and sage your entire aura to just step into your
next portion of your life. Thank you, Thank you so much. Everybody,
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go watch you. It is out now. I've Never Said
This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dedario. This podcast
is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by
Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said
This Before is part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network
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