On today’s MKD, we get into the death of Sophia Hutchins, an amusement rider hit by a cellphone, a man awarded millions after tripping on an NYC train platform, a starving newborn found home alone, and the Philly medical examiner strikes.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Today we are going
to talk about a freak accident that led to the
death of Sophia Hutchins, who is connected to Caitlin Jenner.
(00:30):
Ways you can get hurt on Amusement Rides, a man
who was awarded millions of dollars for getting injured on
a subway, a terrible story involving a mother who died
and her baby who was found luckily alive days later,
And what happens when city workers that so happen to
work at the Morgue go on strike. All that and
(00:52):
more on today's episode. Let's get started with this Sophia
Hutchins person that I'd never heard about until this week.
All right, that doesn't surprise me because you're not I
don't know about any exactly. So this shocking news broke
last week that Caitlyn Jenner's manager, Sophia Hutchins died after
she hit the back of another car while driving her
ATV would send her down a three hundred and fifty
(01:14):
foot ravine. Didn't we have a story last episode about
a guy getting getting attacked by a bear and pulled
into a ravine as well.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean it seems like an absolutely horrific way
to die. Whether an animal's pulling you down there or
you're in a car accident that sends you down there,
neither way sounds good.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So three hundred and fifty feet nobody's surviving that, it
must have been kind of horrific injuries. And she was
pronounced dead at the scene, So like, who is this person?
Because now I have a lot of questions just because
wasn't Caitlyn Jenner involved in a fatal car accident years ago?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I was gonna talk about that in a little bit.
So I find it weird that the press keeps saying
a long time friend. This person's twenty nine years old,
you know, Like, it's not like Caitlyn's been friends with
her for thirty plus years. I would consider that a
longtime friend.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You're like, they haven't. She hasn't even been alive long
enough to be a longtime friend.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, she's maybe been friends. They've maybe been friends for
ten years. So like, I don't know why they keep
saying longtime friend. But Sofia was Caitlin's business manager, so
they first met when Caitlyn Jenner came out as trans
and then from there, Sophia Hutchins ended up moving in
with Caitlyn Jenner after graduating college and became her manager.
So she's been in that her manager. Yeah, so they're
(02:35):
not like there's been much speculation that they were in
a relationship, but they've always maintained that they're platonic.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh okay, and this and this check's like twenty something,
twenty nine. They're friends and they live together.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Are like, okay, well they don't live together anymore, but
they did for a while, and Sofia's been the manager.
So right now, authorities are investigating speeding as a potential factor.
They also said they're awaiting toxicology. And then I wanted
to bring in the point, like you said earlier, that
Kitlyn Jenner was involved in a fatal car accident back
in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So what was the cause of that. I don't really
It's funny. I feel like that was that all over
or was that kind of buried?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't know, honestly, because I've been following the whole
Kardashian clan forever, so it's been in my world coming
up for all this time in the last ten years.
So I guess for a regular person as yourself that
doesn't follow pop culture as closely, this might have gotten
buried a little bit. In twenty fifteen, Kaitlyn Jenner was
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involved in this crash where she hit a seven year
old woman's car, which then sent the woman's car into
oncoming traffic, and then the woman's car was hit by
another vehicle which killed her. So there was no charges
ever pressed against Kaitlin for that. They couldn't prove that
she was under the influence or she was distracted while driving,
like texting or something, so never any charges. But there
(04:02):
was a civil suit by the family in the car
that struck the woman like the other car. Oh okay,
so Kaitlyn Jenner had to end up paying about I
believe eight hundred thousand dollars out to that family from
the civil suit.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So this this friend was riding an ATV on Caitlin's
property were.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It said, on a road leading to Kaitlyn Jenner's house,
so possibly she lived nearby and instead of driving a car,
people drive ATVs. I don't know what I mean. We
have an ATV at the cabin.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So remember aunt Jane had. She used to have the
lake house that was in a little gated community, and
one time Louie was like, oh, let me, let me
show you around here, and we got in that Polaris
thing and we just drove around. That's considered an ATV,
so I guess because there's not really major traffic except
the people that are living in that particular community. A
(05:03):
lot of times you see it with people like have
a golf cart or something like that. So I'm wondering
if it was just something like that, because typically I
don't think you're supposed to drive those things in the
street with traffic, right.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, but people do. I mean people do here. So
the fourth alone, I saw at least three of them
on the road, which is not to say I mean,
especially the main roads near us are horrific in a
regular car, and I know there's.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Been like swarms of fifty kids on I just really
don't think those things are street legal. I could be wrong,
but I don't think that you're supposed to be right
in those things in the middle of the street with traffic, because,
especially on Route one thirty, I don't even think that
they go fast enough to keep up with with don't.
I don't know, I could be misspoken. I just I
don't think that they're street legal. So I mean, think
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about if you're driving on a road that goes forty
miles an hour, being on one of those things is
it's just weird and you don't really see them that often,
and so I don't know why she was in one,
but sometimes just maybe she was like running Uran's house
to house. I mean, god, I would never be riding.
I don't even want to drive a car that's next
door ravine. That's freaking scary.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
No, I know, that's all I was thinking too. And
especially if they're thinking that she was speeding or something
going along that road, You're like, it's so dangerous. I
can't imagine. But we're gonna find out soon what happened exactly.
But it's super sad, and I don't know if they're
thinking she's speeding or something definitely ill advised on a
windy road like that where you could possibly fall off
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the side. So we're gonna find out what happened sooner
or later, because obviously they're gonna do an investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
All right, So tell them about this story because that
will really this is an unexpected thing, but apparently it
happens all right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So at kenny Wood, which is an amusement park in
Western PA, a person was on the Phantoms Revenge coaster
when suddenly they were struck by a cell phone and
had to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So there's been a couple of rides at we go
on at Cannobles, for example, that there they say like,
I'll have my belt bag on and they're like, we
want that, and I'm like, no, I'm not leaving my
designer bag here in your little basket. And they're like, well,
then you're not going on the ride. They want your phone,
they want your glasses, which sucks because but I do
(07:19):
have a story about that. But for me, I can't
see with how my glass is on, so then I
can't really experience life enjoyably if I can't see right.
But that's why. And they did tell us once they
were just like, we had an incident. It wasn't at Cannobles.
I think it was when we went to Dutch Wonderland.
They told us that they had an incident once that
someone got hit with someone's cell phone. And now they're
(07:41):
like hardcore about it.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I yeah, and like I see that the park is
saying that they have lockers, and they have cubbies at
each ride, and some of them have locking mechanisms, and
they have like pouches on the coaster itself. I don't
think everything at every park is convenient to store stuff away,
and I don't think they stress how damp it could
be when things fall out of your pocket.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Well, it just depends who's operating the ride, Like sometimes
people just blow. Like I'll tell you recently, within the
past couple of years, we went on the Guardian of
the Galaxy ride it Upcot, and I was wearing my
glasses and nobody told me to take them off. I
didn't really know what to expect on the ride, and
like I borderline didn't enjoy the ride, which I thought
(08:23):
was so cool, because my glasses were like falling off
so bad and I couldn't even like hold on to
them good it. I was so scared and I went
down this rabbit hole of like, my glasses are gonna
fall off, They're not going to be able to find them,
and the rest of the trip, I'm going to be
miserable because I can't see anything. Like what do you
(08:44):
eat then? I get scared, Like, what do you do
in a situation like that if you only have one
pair of glasses with you?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, let me ask you this too, Why even go
on the ride if you can't see the visual components
of it? Doesn't it take away a bunch of the experience.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I yeah, I mean I didn't even think of it,
and it would have, but I don't. I don't know,
Like honestly, if I knew that they were gonna fly
off my face like that, I feel like I would
just deal with it, because you can't. Like, I don't
want to lose my glasses because it's it's so physically
uncomfortable to not be able to see anything. I just
(09:18):
don't really experience life the same without them, you know.
Even when I go swimming in the pool with the
kids and I take off my glasses, I'm kind of like,
I can't even really like see them and enjoy it.
But so then I put my sunglasses on, but then
they splash me. I can't see. It's just like a
weird thing.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So is the person responsible for keeping the cell phone
in their pocket even though there was signs around, or
is the ride operator responsible for not checking everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well, I've been on some rides where they're legit, like
everything needs to come out of your pocket, like they're
if they're if they're being responsible about it, they'll say,
you can't keep your phone in your pocket because that
could happen, just getting thrown around and stuff like that.
And imagine getting hit with a I mean, like if
you were standing in the room across from me and
(10:08):
I threw my phone at you, it would hurt.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
When I'm holding my phone above my face, when I'm
laying embedded, it falls, it hurts, like I can't imagine
any force exactly, like imagine that that would like seriously
hurt somebody, so especially I just got a new phone
this week because my other one was broken, and it's
so much heavier than my old one. I don't understand
why the iPhones keep getting heavier with each new release.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Mine and I get like the super what's it called?
Plus the super big phone.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I don't get the super big one.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It's mine, like is a workout to hold it up.
It is really heavy, and I get all the storage, you.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Know, since I want to say, like the iPhone six
or something, my finger cannot reach all the way across
the screen because I have small hands, so like, if
I want a text with one hand, like I can't
do it quickly. I have to like exert all this
energy in turn my arm. Did you ever play buttons
on the other side of the screen.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you ever deal with an old person that is like, oh,
my ringers off, I'm not getting text messages and then
they hand you their iPhone five? Yeah, I don't like it,
and I hold it and I'm like, oh my god,
this is so petite, and like I say this all
the time, but I think the iPhone five C was
the best iPhone there ever was. Wait, remember when Cara
(11:25):
was recently here and she I was doing something on
her phone and her phone still had a button.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh yeah, she had to button on it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And I'm just like, I don't even remember how.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
To use this thing. Ricky had an iPhone four probably
until like three years ago. I'm not even exaggerating.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Okay, I had mine for a long time until it
was like, this isn't gonna work anymore. The little one.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't even understand because I feel like most phones
I get the voicemail stops working, and not the voicemail
when I'm on calls I can't hear the other person
unless I'm on speakerphone. That's the most common issue I have.
Or the battery just starts in like three hours, and
I'm like, how.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, that's I feel like mama. Men, pop ups phone
is so old that like pop pops is just ridiculous.
The call is like.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
All day.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I'm like, I get two words out of it. It's
so annoying. All right, let's get onto what's the next story.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
All right, So, back in twenty seventeen, this man tripped
on a train platform in New York City, causing him
to get hit by a train and lose up to
five toes. So, now, after suing the Metropolitan Transit Authority,
which US in this area knows the MTA, he's been
awarded twenty two point seventy five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So when I first read the headlines, I was just like,
all right, well, if you fell and trip, then that's
kind of your problem. Why do they owe you money?
But then when you look into the case and it's like, no,
the platform, you know those little like yellow things that
it's like a strip of yellow bumpy things that are
along the train before you're approaching the train, where you're
(13:00):
supposed to stand back. They were uneven and not maintained properly,
and he tripped over that, and I could understand that
that would be a tripping hazard. Actually, oh yeah, absolutely,
So they were trying to settle with him out of
court for only one hundred thousand dollars, and his lawyers
kept saying like, no, no, you need to push for it.
(13:20):
At some point they even and I don't know if
this is because the EMS when they arrived and the
people at the scene and stuff, assumed that he had
jumped onto the tracks intentionally. He had to get analyzed
by a psychiatrist to prove that he wasn't suicidal and
he in fact tripped. I'm sure they were able to
find video of this happening because it was in twenty seventeen,
(13:43):
Like there was definitely video of well you would hope
that there was video available on the platform.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh, there definitely was. And you're always gonna have some
LOOKI lou. It's like the lady with the plane on
yesterday's episode. There's always some looky Loo that just assumes
something happened, and they're probably like whispered down the lane, like, oh,
he jumped I saw it when they don't know what
they're talking about it all.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, And I mean, god, that's a very scary thing
to think about falling on a train track and getting
hit by train. Like he's lucky he survived, he is,
and he had I mean, he had his toes amputated on,
his foot was mangled according to the surgeon. Then had
he had infection and had to get more of his foot,
(14:27):
So they said they'd give him a trans metatarsal amputation,
which is basically cutting your foot across and then you
only have like an angle basically. So I mean lifelong
problems he's going to have from this. And I'm glad
that he's getting such a large settlement because it'll make
it more serious for them to maintain this stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
You know though, every time I see these massive settlements
in these lawsuits, like this guy's just awarded twenty two
point seventy five million dollars, I always think of this
case of Time Girardi. Who was that Aaron Brockovic lawyer.
He was married a real housewife of Beverly Hills, Erica Jane.
He was He worked for a law firm that did
these massive lawsuits like this for plane crash victims and
(15:12):
exactly an incident like this, and he stole all the
money from the victims, like some of them who were
awarded big settlements like this guy up to twenty three
million dollars only saw like five hundred thousand of it.
So when I see these cases, my mind always just
goes to, like, I hope this guy actually gets this
money because he needs it to live a comfortable life
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with all the medical issues he had stemming from the accident.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Well, he's not going to get anywhere near that much money. No,
But I mean you have to pay. I can't imagine
what the lawyer gets paid of that settlement. And then
I mean just think about the taxes on it and
everything else. Like it is interesting, like if you get
awarded something like that, do you do you have to
pay taxes on it? I don't be cause that's kind
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of because that like that right there is like Okay,
now he's got eleven million dollars, just caught it in half,
if not more.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I mean, if it's stem I understand, if you win
the lottery, you have to pay taxes on it, But
if it's stumming from a life altering accident, yeah, I
feel like there should at least be a fixed rate,
like it shouldn't have to be the fifty percent other people.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I'm not really sure about that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm not either. Chime in listeners and let us know
if you this episode is about to you by the
gross room.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So, speaking of amusement injuries, we have lots of posts
in the gross room about amusement injuries. We've done a
two part high profile death dissection on disney World Injuries
and deaths, and then was it disney World specifically, right, Yeah,
we specifically does Disney disney World, because we're going to
do disney Land at some point too, but so Disney
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World specifically. Then we have a two part high profile
death disseection on six Flags Injuries and Deaths, and then
we have the dream World one, which was awful when
I have hydrones. Ever, yeah, we have a high profile
death disseection on that, so so check them out if
you I don't know. We always had some kind of
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intrigue with these. We also have other videos and stuff
about like once a girl got her scalp, got a vulst,
or just completely ripped off her skull because her hair
got caught in a ferris wheel like things like that.
It just crazy things.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, we have many amusement accidents in there, So head
over to the grossroom dot com now to sign up.
This story is horrific. Police were contacted after a woman
hadn't been seen by her neighbors in a few days.
So as they're doing the welfare check, no one answered
the door. They start looking through the windows and see
that a woman is there, not moving, so they bust
into the house and find the lifeless woman with her
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baby lying next to her, and the baby was alive.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh my god, it was so sad. They saw this
baby just laying there, all wrapped up with her little blanket,
and they picked her up and she was visibly dehydrated because,
like Maria said, the neighbors didn't see the mother for days,
so clearly this baby had been there without getting anything
(18:20):
to eat or drink. It's just so sad. And now
I don't know if there was a father involved that
obviously wasn't living there, or what happened to the baby.
And honestly, we don't even know what the mother's cause
of death was. But it didn't just on the initial surface,
it didn't appear to be suspicious, like it didn't look
(18:41):
like she was shot or stabbed to death, so they'll
do the autopsy to figure out what her cause of
death was.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
No, and the article is saying that if the officers
didn't go in exactly when they did, I mean, the
baby might not have survived. But they saved this child's life.
Thank god. I never think, I mean, people can just
die in this case. We don't know, really, but think
about a pair that dies in an accident or from
natural causes and these little kids are left alone. I'm
sure this happens more often than we even hear about.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's really amazing to think about this child growing up
and then when she becomes like older, to think back
that that happened to her and actually be able to
see video of like officers rescuing her. It reminds me
of There was this case that I read about this
week in the news about this this gay couple. The
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guy had found this baby in the subway in New
York City, like twenty or twenty five years ago, and
he immediately picked up the baby. He didn't even think
it was it was real, like he didn't know what
it was. And then he saw the baby moving and
picked it up and was like, oh my god, this
is a baby. And it went to the hospital and
he said he couldn't stop thinking about this baby, and ultimately,
(19:51):
like him and his partner adopted this baby. And now
they were showing the article of what he's like twenty
or twenty five years later. It's just so cute to
see that he ended up having a really good life
being in a shitty situation as a baby.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, totally. I mean, people that rescue kids like that
and then end up fighting to adopt them, they're like,
you know, I'm gonna cry over your stories like that.
So it's awesome, And like the fact that this kid
was saved is really awesome and they were able to,
you know, get it the proper help it needed. It's
just you don't hear positive outcomes all the time of
(20:27):
horrific stories like this. So it's not that this story
was great per se, but at least the baby didn't
die from it as well. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's
get onto our last story. So there's been massive strikes
in Philadelphia right now, and as part of that, employees
of the Medical Examiner were also on strike. How do
you think that's going.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, you know, this is this is interesting because we're
having this conversation. One of our friends brought this up
our Fourth of July party and said, yeah, like the
nine one one operators are on strike, and then they
make it Joe like, it's not like they come anyway
if you call, like how messed up? Is that? That?
That's like the first impression that people have that that
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the cops aren't coming anymore if you call nine one one.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, even just a couple of weeks ago, my mother
in law and father in law got in a car
accident and on the highway, the main in Philly, and
they called the police right away and nobody came for
over an hour.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, because they're just like are you dead? No, okay,
we'll be there when we can get there. That I mean,
that's that's really unfortunate. But this is this is not
just nine one one operators. It's sanitation workers. It's so
trash is piling up people who work in the facility
that treat the water like major essential services. We need
(21:47):
to live in a hygienic, civilized society. And what happened
at the Morgue was when they went on strike. I
was actually shocked when I heard this, because you know,
Gabe is a firefighter and they're not like they're not
allowed to go on strike. They can't even though they're
on a even though they're union employees, they can't because
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they're they're essential. They can't go on strike. So in
the sense of not showing up to work, they have
to show up to work no matter what. So I
thought I would think that a medical examiner employee, which
consists of the investigators. They're the ones that go to
the scenes and they're the ones that oftentimes transport the
bodies to the mark because if they find a decomposed person,
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the investigator will go and the cops will go and
then they'll do their thing and then they leave. They're
not they're not going to put a decomposed body in
their police car like the medical examiner takes them to
the MORK. So you have that, you have the technicians
that are actually performing the autopsies, and secretaries, all these
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people that work there. And it was like as soon
as it turned twelve oh one am on July first,
they all just like clocked out and left work, right,
So what happens like all of these bodies that are
accumulating every day, Like nobody's going to the scene. People
aren't sending bodies to the fridge. They're not getting in
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a fridge in an adequate amount of time. It's freakin'
hot as hell here too, right now.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, That's all I was thinking about, was these bodies
not getting picked up and how awfully hot it has
been the last couple of weeks here.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah. So I mean, just like it's just this crazy
thing that's happening. So apparently the more refrigerator in Philadelphia
is only able to hold one hundred and sixty bodies
at maximum and rights of as of a couple days ago,
it had one hundred and eighty bodies and they were
like double decking bodies on trace, which like think about that,
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like when you're dead, do you want to be?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't know, just can't they can't they use like
pens right across the street. Can't they be using their facility?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well, fridge holds five people, right, Like I'm serious, I'm
just saying Jefferson's fridge holds five or six people. Like no,
there's just not enough fridges in the world to hold
and and like the thing is is like pen Jefferson
all that they have bodies of their own in their fridges,
Like there's just no, there's no space for them. They
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just don't have the space. So finally, a couple of
days ago, they were like ordered, like, you have to
go back to work. Yeah, now, listen, I don't think
I'm gonna say this because I interned at the Medical
Examiner's Office in Philly, and that was like back in
two thousand and eight, right, and I loved it there.
I wanted to work there and stuff. And then when
I found out what they got paid and that this
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was when this was a while ago, so they were
getting paid like thirty five thousand dollars a year, and
I was just like, yeah no. And now it's like
the medians a salary that they pay these people are
is forty six thousand dollars a year. This is why
these people are straight, because not only as Philadelphia just
like it's a it's a higher cost of living city
(25:05):
as it is, but forty six thousand dollars a year
to do the job that these people are doing is
an insult.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It is insulting.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It's such an insult, like their job is gross. They
need to do they have high responsibility, and you could
see that they weren't working for two days, and what
a shit show it's turning into. And it's like they
deserve to get paid a lot more money, and it's
insulting that they get paid such a low salary, Like
who can live, like a decent you can live off
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of that, but like you're not really have any extra
money at all to do anything with your life, and
you have to work terrible hours, be on call, work
in the middle of the night in a smelly, dirty environment.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
People.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, it's just like it's just it's just really insulting.
So I hope, I mean, I know that they had
to go back to work, and I hope that this
little like break shows just how important they are and
that they end up getting an increase in pay. Many
of the investigators and texts that I worked with while
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I was there would oftentimes have to work so much
over time in order to just make anywhere near a
decent salary. But like, okay, so you make a decent salary,
but you're also working, you know, sixty hours a week,
what kind of quality of life do you have. I
just think that they've always at least in Philadelphia, they
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always notoriously have paid so so low. I mean, forty
six thousand dollars a year, I feel like is a
price that people are getting paid at Starbucks close to
at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I was gonna say that. And it's like crazy because
these people are dealing with not only death, but some
of the most horrific death you're ever gonna see. It's
not like, not that dying in any capacity is good,
but at the hospital, you know, it's like more natural
and you see things like that some of these people
are coming in with out heads, or it's people that
were horrifically murdered or people in horrific accidents. So you
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have to.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
See the most hard composition. And the summer is is awful.
The volume at the Federal the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's office
is awful. I mean, the hours are awful. It's just
it's it's a lot, it's a very and and it's depressed.
It's depressing. You're in a room that I haven't been
to the new Morgue, so I don't know how it's
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set up, but the one when I interned there was
like you're in the basement, there's no windows, it smells
like death. It's literally it literally smells like death, like
it's and you're just down there. You don't even you
can't even tell what time of day it is because
there's no lights, and just case after case after case
you're expected to do, and you know, you just sit
(27:50):
there and you get mad because that's like a taxpayer
funded job. But then you're like, you see all the
money they blow on other stuff, and you're like, you
really need these people are essential employees and they need
to get paid a lot more.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well, I think it's an extra few when you think
of the newly proposed sixer stadium and then you see
everything going on, so I think that's like a lot
erge coming from that, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And it's just it's just so insulting in some of
the things that they've said are like, oh, well, we'll
give a three percent raise every year, and it's just like, no, dude,
you need to give them like an extra twenty thousand
dollars a year millimum. I mean think about this, like
every single time you go food shopping, it's a couple
hundred dollars, Like it adds up, and it's just like
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when when other places are paying so high. Why not
just go be a Barisa and just and right, like
not that that job's not essential, because trust me, when
I get a good job at Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Or good yeah, but Starbucks has pretty great benefits apparently,
so like it might be better to work there. Then
deal with this if we're depressing, exactly, you have to
be exposed to horrific things all day long.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And I know for a fact too that that other
medical examiner's offices pay decent salaries. So it's and I'm
sure anybody that's working there is calling their friends that
are in Baltimore, New York City and just other towns
and finding out how much their investigators make and their
technicians make, and and like they're just like I'm not
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doing it anymore, and I don't. I don't blame them,
like it's it's I've been there, trust me, like it's
it's not.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's not cool, no, And then it trickles down because
it's like it's not cool for the workers, and then
they're doing what they feel is right, and then it's
not fair for the families of the deceased people. It's
not fair.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's not There could be a trickle down effect to that. Too,
because now you're talking about like people decomposing and that
could be a problem for funerals. There's just all sorts
of things. And then the other thing you have to
take into consideration is that the doctors, so the actual
medical examiners that work there, they're not union employees, so
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they're there at work, but they there's only a couple
of them, Like, they can't do all the work. They
need help. They can't do it. They can't do it all.
So it's just like it's not cool to the doctors either.
And then you're putting all this pressure on the chief
who's now in charge of the whole thing, who's going
to get blamed for every single thing that goes wrong,
even though it's not her fault.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, because how could mistakes not happen when situations like this, and.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Not to mention like if you're not you know, I
don't even know what their volume is at this point,
but when I was a student there, it was like
there was anywhere from ten to twenty bodies coming in
there every single day. So then if you're not doing
them every day, then all of a sudden, the next
day you have twenty to forty bodies and then the
next day, you know, you have thirty to sixty bodies, Like,
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how do you ever even catch up? It's a lot.
It's just a lot of work, and it's it's not
cool for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, and now they're a court ordered to go back
to work on Thursday. So I'm sure everybody's miserable. That's there. Yeah,
well exactly, So I don't know this really sucks, but
I mean this is what happens sometimes, I guess. Welcome
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Today we are going
to talk about a freak accident that led to the
death of Sophia Hutchins, who is connected to Caitlin Jenner.
(00:30):
Ways you can get hurt on Amusement Rides, a man
who was awarded millions of dollars for getting injured on
a subway, a terrible story involving a mother who died
and her baby who was found luckily alive days later,
And what happens when city workers that so happen to
work at the Morgue go on strike. All that and
(00:52):
more on today's episode. Let's get started with this Sophia
Hutchins person that I'd never heard about until this week.
All right, that doesn't surprise me because you're not I
don't know about any exactly. So this shocking news broke
last week that Caitlyn Jenner's manager, Sophia Hutchins died after
she hit the back of another car while driving her
ATV would send her down a three hundred and fifty
(01:14):
foot ravine. Didn't we have a story last episode about
a guy getting getting attacked by a bear and pulled
into a ravine as well.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, I mean it seems like an absolutely horrific way
to die. Whether an animal's pulling you down there or
you're in a car accident that sends you down there,
neither way sounds good.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So three hundred and fifty feet nobody's surviving that, it
must have been kind of horrific injuries. And she was
pronounced dead at the scene, So like, who is this person?
Because now I have a lot of questions just because
wasn't Caitlyn Jenner involved in a fatal car accident years ago?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I was gonna talk about that in a little bit.
So I find it weird that the press keeps saying
a long time friend. This person's twenty nine years old,
you know, Like, it's not like Caitlyn's been friends with
her for thirty plus years. I would consider that a
longtime friend.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You're like, they haven't. She hasn't even been alive long
enough to be a longtime friend.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, she's maybe been friends. They've maybe been friends for
ten years. So like, I don't know why they keep
saying longtime friend. But Sofia was Caitlin's business manager, so
they first met when Caitlyn Jenner came out as trans
and then from there, Sophia Hutchins ended up moving in
with Caitlyn Jenner after graduating college and became her manager.
So she's been in that her manager. Yeah, so they're
(02:35):
not like there's been much speculation that they were in
a relationship, but they've always maintained that they're platonic.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Oh okay, and this and this check's like twenty something,
twenty nine. They're friends and they live together.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Are like, okay, well they don't live together anymore, but
they did for a while, and Sofia's been the manager.
So right now, authorities are investigating speeding as a potential factor.
They also said they're awaiting toxicology. And then I wanted
to bring in the point, like you said earlier, that
Kitlyn Jenner was involved in a fatal car accident back
in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So what was the cause of that. I don't really
It's funny. I feel like that was that all over
or was that kind of buried?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I don't know, honestly, because I've been following the whole
Kardashian clan forever, so it's been in my world coming
up for all this time in the last ten years.
So I guess for a regular person as yourself that
doesn't follow pop culture as closely, this might have gotten
buried a little bit. In twenty fifteen, Kaitlyn Jenner was
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involved in this crash where she hit a seven year
old woman's car, which then sent the woman's car into
oncoming traffic, and then the woman's car was hit by
another vehicle which killed her. So there was no charges
ever pressed against Kaitlin for that. They couldn't prove that
she was under the influence or she was distracted while driving,
like texting or something, so never any charges. But there
(04:02):
was a civil suit by the family in the car
that struck the woman like the other car. Oh okay,
so Kaitlyn Jenner had to end up paying about I
believe eight hundred thousand dollars out to that family from
the civil suit.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
So this this friend was riding an ATV on Caitlin's
property were.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It said, on a road leading to Kaitlyn Jenner's house,
so possibly she lived nearby and instead of driving a car,
people drive ATVs. I don't know what I mean. We
have an ATV at the cabin.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So remember aunt Jane had. She used to have the
lake house that was in a little gated community, and
one time Louie was like, oh, let me, let me
show you around here, and we got in that Polaris
thing and we just drove around. That's considered an ATV,
so I guess because there's not really major traffic except
the people that are living in that particular community. A
(05:03):
lot of times you see it with people like have
a golf cart or something like that. So I'm wondering
if it was just something like that, because typically I
don't think you're supposed to drive those things in the
street with traffic, right.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, but people do. I mean people do here. So
the fourth alone, I saw at least three of them
on the road, which is not to say I mean,
especially the main roads near us are horrific in a
regular car, and I know there's.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Been like swarms of fifty kids on I just really
don't think those things are street legal. I could be wrong,
but I don't think that you're supposed to be right
in those things in the middle of the street with traffic, because,
especially on Route one thirty, I don't even think that
they go fast enough to keep up with with don't.
I don't know, I could be misspoken. I just I
don't think that they're street legal. So I mean, think
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about if you're driving on a road that goes forty
miles an hour, being on one of those things is
it's just weird and you don't really see them that often,
and so I don't know why she was in one,
but sometimes just maybe she was like running Uran's house
to house. I mean, god, I would never be riding.
I don't even want to drive a car that's next
door ravine. That's freaking scary.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
No, I know, that's all I was thinking too. And
especially if they're thinking that she was speeding or something
going along that road, You're like, it's so dangerous. I
can't imagine. But we're gonna find out soon what happened exactly.
But it's super sad, and I don't know if they're
thinking she's speeding or something definitely ill advised on a
windy road like that where you could possibly fall off
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the side. So we're gonna find out what happened sooner
or later, because obviously they're gonna do an investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
All right, So tell them about this story because that
will really this is an unexpected thing, but apparently it
happens all right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So at kenny Wood, which is an amusement park in
Western PA, a person was on the Phantoms Revenge coaster
when suddenly they were struck by a cell phone and
had to go to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So there's been a couple of rides at we go
on at Cannobles, for example, that there they say like,
I'll have my belt bag on and they're like, we
want that, and I'm like, no, I'm not leaving my
designer bag here in your little basket. And they're like, well,
then you're not going on the ride. They want your phone,
they want your glasses, which sucks because but I do
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have a story about that. But for me, I can't
see with how my glass is on, so then I
can't really experience life enjoyably if I can't see right.
But that's why. And they did tell us once they
were just like, we had an incident. It wasn't at Cannobles.
I think it was when we went to Dutch Wonderland.
They told us that they had an incident once that
someone got hit with someone's cell phone. And now they're
(07:41):
like hardcore about it.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I yeah, and like I see that the park is
saying that they have lockers, and they have cubbies at
each ride, and some of them have locking mechanisms, and
they have like pouches on the coaster itself. I don't
think everything at every park is convenient to store stuff away,
and I don't think they stress how damp it could
be when things fall out of your pocket.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Well, it just depends who's operating the ride, Like sometimes
people just blow. Like I'll tell you recently, within the
past couple of years, we went on the Guardian of
the Galaxy ride it Upcot, and I was wearing my
glasses and nobody told me to take them off. I
didn't really know what to expect on the ride, and
like I borderline didn't enjoy the ride, which I thought
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was so cool, because my glasses were like falling off
so bad and I couldn't even like hold on to
them good it. I was so scared and I went
down this rabbit hole of like, my glasses are gonna
fall off, They're not going to be able to find them,
and the rest of the trip, I'm going to be
miserable because I can't see anything. Like what do you
(08:44):
eat then? I get scared, Like, what do you do
in a situation like that if you only have one
pair of glasses with you?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Well, let me ask you this too, Why even go
on the ride if you can't see the visual components
of it? Doesn't it take away a bunch of the experience.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I yeah, I mean I didn't even think of it,
and it would have, but I don't. I don't know,
Like honestly, if I knew that they were gonna fly
off my face like that, I feel like I would
just deal with it, because you can't. Like, I don't
want to lose my glasses because it's it's so physically
uncomfortable to not be able to see anything. I just
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don't really experience life the same without them, you know.
Even when I go swimming in the pool with the
kids and I take off my glasses, I'm kind of like,
I can't even really like see them and enjoy it.
But so then I put my sunglasses on, but then
they splash me. I can't see. It's just like a
weird thing.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So is the person responsible for keeping the cell phone
in their pocket even though there was signs around, or
is the ride operator responsible for not checking everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well, I've been on some rides where they're legit, like
everything needs to come out of your pocket, like they're
if they're if they're being responsible about it, they'll say,
you can't keep your phone in your pocket because that
could happen, just getting thrown around and stuff like that.
And imagine getting hit with a I mean, like if
you were standing in the room across from me and
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I threw my phone at you, it would hurt.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
When I'm holding my phone above my face, when I'm
laying embedded, it falls, it hurts, like I can't imagine
any force exactly, like imagine that that would like seriously
hurt somebody, so especially I just got a new phone
this week because my other one was broken, and it's
so much heavier than my old one. I don't understand
why the iPhones keep getting heavier with each new release.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Mine and I get like the super what's it called?
Plus the super big phone.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I don't get the super big one.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
It's mine, like is a workout to hold it up.
It is really heavy, and I get all the storage, you.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Know, since I want to say, like the iPhone six
or something, my finger cannot reach all the way across
the screen because I have small hands, so like, if
I want a text with one hand, like I can't
do it quickly. I have to like exert all this
energy in turn my arm. Did you ever play buttons
on the other side of the screen.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Do you ever deal with an old person that is like, oh,
my ringers off, I'm not getting text messages and then
they hand you their iPhone five? Yeah, I don't like it,
and I hold it and I'm like, oh my god,
this is so petite, and like I say this all
the time, but I think the iPhone five C was
the best iPhone there ever was. Wait, remember when Cara
(11:25):
was recently here and she I was doing something on
her phone and her phone still had a button.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh yeah, she had to button on it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
And I'm just like, I don't even remember how.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
To use this thing. Ricky had an iPhone four probably
until like three years ago. I'm not even exaggerating.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Okay, I had mine for a long time until it
was like, this isn't gonna work anymore. The little one.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I don't even understand because I feel like most phones
I get the voicemail stops working, and not the voicemail
when I'm on calls I can't hear the other person
unless I'm on speakerphone. That's the most common issue I have.
Or the battery just starts in like three hours, and
I'm like, how.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, that's I feel like mama. Men, pop ups phone
is so old that like pop pops is just ridiculous.
The call is like.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
All day.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I'm like, I get two words out of it. It's
so annoying. All right, let's get onto what's the next story.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
All right, So, back in twenty seventeen, this man tripped
on a train platform in New York City, causing him
to get hit by a train and lose up to
five toes. So, now, after suing the Metropolitan Transit Authority,
which US in this area knows the MTA, he's been
awarded twenty two point seventy five million dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So when I first read the headlines, I was just like,
all right, well, if you fell and trip, then that's
kind of your problem. Why do they owe you money?
But then when you look into the case and it's like, no,
the platform, you know those little like yellow things that
it's like a strip of yellow bumpy things that are
along the train before you're approaching the train, where you're
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supposed to stand back. They were uneven and not maintained properly,
and he tripped over that, and I could understand that
that would be a tripping hazard. Actually, oh yeah, absolutely,
So they were trying to settle with him out of
court for only one hundred thousand dollars, and his lawyers
kept saying like, no, no, you need to push for it.
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At some point they even and I don't know if
this is because the EMS when they arrived and the
people at the scene and stuff, assumed that he had
jumped onto the tracks intentionally. He had to get analyzed
by a psychiatrist to prove that he wasn't suicidal and
he in fact tripped. I'm sure they were able to
find video of this happening because it was in twenty seventeen,
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Like there was definitely video of well you would hope
that there was video available on the platform.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh, there definitely was. And you're always gonna have some
LOOKI lou. It's like the lady with the plane on
yesterday's episode. There's always some looky Loo that just assumes
something happened, and they're probably like whispered down the lane, like, oh,
he jumped I saw it when they don't know what
they're talking about it all.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, And I mean, god, that's a very scary thing
to think about falling on a train track and getting
hit by train. Like he's lucky he survived, he is,
and he had I mean, he had his toes amputated on,
his foot was mangled according to the surgeon. Then had
he had infection and had to get more of his foot,
(14:27):
So they said they'd give him a trans metatarsal amputation,
which is basically cutting your foot across and then you
only have like an angle basically. So I mean lifelong
problems he's going to have from this. And I'm glad
that he's getting such a large settlement because it'll make
it more serious for them to maintain this stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
You know though, every time I see these massive settlements
in these lawsuits, like this guy's just awarded twenty two
point seventy five million dollars, I always think of this
case of Time Girardi. Who was that Aaron Brockovic lawyer.
He was married a real housewife of Beverly Hills, Erica Jane.
He was He worked for a law firm that did
these massive lawsuits like this for plane crash victims and
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exactly an incident like this, and he stole all the
money from the victims, like some of them who were
awarded big settlements like this guy up to twenty three
million dollars only saw like five hundred thousand of it.
So when I see these cases, my mind always just
goes to, like, I hope this guy actually gets this
money because he needs it to live a comfortable life
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with all the medical issues he had stemming from the accident.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Well, he's not going to get anywhere near that much money. No,
But I mean you have to pay. I can't imagine
what the lawyer gets paid of that settlement. And then
I mean just think about the taxes on it and
everything else. Like it is interesting, like if you get
awarded something like that, do you do you have to
pay taxes on it? I don't be cause that's kind
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of because that like that right there is like Okay,
now he's got eleven million dollars, just caught it in half,
if not more.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I mean, if it's stem I understand, if you win
the lottery, you have to pay taxes on it, But
if it's stumming from a life altering accident, yeah, I
feel like there should at least be a fixed rate,
like it shouldn't have to be the fifty percent other people.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I'm not really sure about that.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I'm not either. Chime in listeners and let us know
if you this episode is about to you by the
gross room.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So, speaking of amusement injuries, we have lots of posts
in the gross room about amusement injuries. We've done a
two part high profile death dissection on disney World Injuries
and deaths, and then was it disney World specifically, right, Yeah,
we specifically does Disney disney World, because we're going to
do disney Land at some point too, but so Disney
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World specifically. Then we have a two part high profile
death disseection on six Flags Injuries and Deaths, and then
we have the dream World one, which was awful when
I have hydrones. Ever, yeah, we have a high profile
death disseection on that, so so check them out if
you I don't know. We always had some kind of
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intrigue with these. We also have other videos and stuff
about like once a girl got her scalp, got a vulst,
or just completely ripped off her skull because her hair
got caught in a ferris wheel like things like that.
It just crazy things.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, we have many amusement accidents in there, So head
over to the grossroom dot com now to sign up.
This story is horrific. Police were contacted after a woman
hadn't been seen by her neighbors in a few days.
So as they're doing the welfare check, no one answered
the door. They start looking through the windows and see
that a woman is there, not moving, so they bust
into the house and find the lifeless woman with her
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baby lying next to her, and the baby was alive.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh my god, it was so sad. They saw this
baby just laying there, all wrapped up with her little blanket,
and they picked her up and she was visibly dehydrated because,
like Maria said, the neighbors didn't see the mother for days,
so clearly this baby had been there without getting anything
(18:20):
to eat or drink. It's just so sad. And now
I don't know if there was a father involved that
obviously wasn't living there, or what happened to the baby.
And honestly, we don't even know what the mother's cause
of death was. But it didn't just on the initial surface,
it didn't appear to be suspicious, like it didn't look
(18:41):
like she was shot or stabbed to death, so they'll
do the autopsy to figure out what her cause of
death was.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
No, and the article is saying that if the officers
didn't go in exactly when they did, I mean, the
baby might not have survived. But they saved this child's life.
Thank god. I never think, I mean, people can just
die in this case. We don't know, really, but think
about a pair that dies in an accident or from
natural causes and these little kids are left alone. I'm
sure this happens more often than we even hear about.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's really amazing to think about this child growing up
and then when she becomes like older, to think back
that that happened to her and actually be able to
see video of like officers rescuing her. It reminds me
of There was this case that I read about this
week in the news about this this gay couple. The
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guy had found this baby in the subway in New
York City, like twenty or twenty five years ago, and
he immediately picked up the baby. He didn't even think
it was it was real, like he didn't know what
it was. And then he saw the baby moving and
picked it up and was like, oh my god, this
is a baby. And it went to the hospital and
he said he couldn't stop thinking about this baby, and ultimately,
(19:51):
like him and his partner adopted this baby. And now
they were showing the article of what he's like twenty
or twenty five years later. It's just so cute to
see that he ended up having a really good life
being in a shitty situation as a baby.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, totally. I mean, people that rescue kids like that
and then end up fighting to adopt them, they're like,
you know, I'm gonna cry over your stories like that.
So it's awesome, And like the fact that this kid
was saved is really awesome and they were able to,
you know, get it the proper help it needed. It's
just you don't hear positive outcomes all the time of
(20:27):
horrific stories like this. So it's not that this story
was great per se, but at least the baby didn't
die from it as well. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's
get onto our last story. So there's been massive strikes
in Philadelphia right now, and as part of that, employees
of the Medical Examiner were also on strike. How do
you think that's going.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, you know, this is this is interesting because we're
having this conversation. One of our friends brought this up
our Fourth of July party and said, yeah, like the
nine one one operators are on strike, and then they
make it Joe like, it's not like they come anyway
if you call, like how messed up? Is that? That?
That's like the first impression that people have that that
(21:07):
the cops aren't coming anymore if you call nine one one.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Well, even just a couple of weeks ago, my mother
in law and father in law got in a car
accident and on the highway, the main in Philly, and
they called the police right away and nobody came for
over an hour.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, because they're just like are you dead? No, okay,
we'll be there when we can get there. That I mean,
that's that's really unfortunate. But this is this is not
just nine one one operators. It's sanitation workers. It's so
trash is piling up people who work in the facility
that treat the water like major essential services. We need
(21:47):
to live in a hygienic, civilized society. And what happened
at the Morgue was when they went on strike. I
was actually shocked when I heard this, because you know,
Gabe is a firefighter and they're not like they're not
allowed to go on strike. They can't even though they're
on a even though they're union employees, they can't because
(22:10):
they're they're essential. They can't go on strike. So in
the sense of not showing up to work, they have
to show up to work no matter what. So I
thought I would think that a medical examiner employee, which
consists of the investigators. They're the ones that go to
the scenes and they're the ones that oftentimes transport the
bodies to the mark because if they find a decomposed person,
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the investigator will go and the cops will go and
then they'll do their thing and then they leave. They're
not they're not going to put a decomposed body in
their police car like the medical examiner takes them to
the MORK. So you have that, you have the technicians
that are actually performing the autopsies, and secretaries, all these
(22:56):
people that work there. And it was like as soon
as it turned twelve oh one am on July first,
they all just like clocked out and left work, right,
So what happens like all of these bodies that are
accumulating every day, Like nobody's going to the scene. People
aren't sending bodies to the fridge. They're not getting in
(23:17):
a fridge in an adequate amount of time. It's freakin'
hot as hell here too, right now.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, That's all I was thinking about, was these bodies
not getting picked up and how awfully hot it has
been the last couple of weeks here.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah. So I mean, just like it's just this crazy
thing that's happening. So apparently the more refrigerator in Philadelphia
is only able to hold one hundred and sixty bodies
at maximum and rights of as of a couple days ago,
it had one hundred and eighty bodies and they were
like double decking bodies on trace, which like think about that,
(23:51):
like when you're dead, do you want to be?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I don't know, just can't they can't they use like
pens right across the street. Can't they be using their facility?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well, fridge holds five people, right, Like I'm serious, I'm
just saying Jefferson's fridge holds five or six people. Like no,
there's just not enough fridges in the world to hold
and and like the thing is is like pen Jefferson
all that they have bodies of their own in their fridges,
Like there's just no, there's no space for them. They
(24:20):
just don't have the space. So finally, a couple of
days ago, they were like ordered, like, you have to
go back to work. Yeah, now, listen, I don't think
I'm gonna say this because I interned at the Medical
Examiner's Office in Philly, and that was like back in
two thousand and eight, right, and I loved it there.
I wanted to work there and stuff. And then when
I found out what they got paid and that this
(24:43):
was when this was a while ago, so they were
getting paid like thirty five thousand dollars a year, and
I was just like, yeah no. And now it's like
the medians a salary that they pay these people are
is forty six thousand dollars a year. This is why
these people are straight, because not only as Philadelphia just
like it's a it's a higher cost of living city
(25:05):
as it is, but forty six thousand dollars a year
to do the job that these people are doing is
an insult.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It is insulting.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It's such an insult, like their job is gross. They
need to do they have high responsibility, and you could
see that they weren't working for two days, and what
a shit show it's turning into. And it's like they
deserve to get paid a lot more money, and it's
insulting that they get paid such a low salary, Like
who can live, like a decent you can live off
(25:35):
of that, but like you're not really have any extra
money at all to do anything with your life, and
you have to work terrible hours, be on call, work
in the middle of the night in a smelly, dirty environment.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
People.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, it's just like it's just it's just really insulting.
So I hope, I mean, I know that they had
to go back to work, and I hope that this
little like break shows just how important they are and
that they end up getting an increase in pay. Many
of the investigators and texts that I worked with while
(26:07):
I was there would oftentimes have to work so much
over time in order to just make anywhere near a
decent salary. But like, okay, so you make a decent salary,
but you're also working, you know, sixty hours a week,
what kind of quality of life do you have. I
just think that they've always at least in Philadelphia, they
(26:30):
always notoriously have paid so so low. I mean, forty
six thousand dollars a year, I feel like is a
price that people are getting paid at Starbucks close to
at this point.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I was gonna say that. And it's like crazy because
these people are dealing with not only death, but some
of the most horrific death you're ever gonna see. It's
not like, not that dying in any capacity is good,
but at the hospital, you know, it's like more natural
and you see things like that some of these people
are coming in with out heads, or it's people that
were horrifically murdered or people in horrific accidents. So you
(27:05):
have to.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
See the most hard composition. And the summer is is awful.
The volume at the Federal the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's office
is awful. I mean, the hours are awful. It's just
it's it's a lot, it's a very and and it's depressed.
It's depressing. You're in a room that I haven't been
to the new Morgue, so I don't know how it's
(27:28):
set up, but the one when I interned there was
like you're in the basement, there's no windows, it smells
like death. It's literally it literally smells like death, like
it's and you're just down there. You don't even you
can't even tell what time of day it is because
there's no lights, and just case after case after case
you're expected to do, and you know, you just sit
(27:50):
there and you get mad because that's like a taxpayer
funded job. But then you're like, you see all the
money they blow on other stuff, and you're like, you
really need these people are essential employees and they need
to get paid a lot more.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Well, I think it's an extra few when you think
of the newly proposed sixer stadium and then you see
everything going on, so I think that's like a lot
erge coming from that, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
And it's just it's just so insulting in some of
the things that they've said are like, oh, well, we'll
give a three percent raise every year, and it's just like, no, dude,
you need to give them like an extra twenty thousand
dollars a year millimum. I mean think about this, like
every single time you go food shopping, it's a couple
hundred dollars, Like it adds up, and it's just like
(28:33):
when when other places are paying so high. Why not
just go be a Barisa and just and right, like
not that that job's not essential, because trust me, when
I get a good job at Starbucks.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Or good yeah, but Starbucks has pretty great benefits apparently,
so like it might be better to work there. Then
deal with this if we're depressing, exactly, you have to
be exposed to horrific things all day long.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
And I know for a fact too that that other
medical examiner's offices pay decent salaries. So it's and I'm
sure anybody that's working there is calling their friends that
are in Baltimore, New York City and just other towns
and finding out how much their investigators make and their
technicians make, and and like they're just like I'm not
(29:20):
doing it anymore, and I don't. I don't blame them,
like it's it's I've been there, trust me, like it's
it's not.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
It's not cool, no, And then it trickles down because
it's like it's not cool for the workers, and then
they're doing what they feel is right, and then it's
not fair for the families of the deceased people. It's
not fair.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's not There could be a trickle down effect to that. Too,
because now you're talking about like people decomposing and that
could be a problem for funerals. There's just all sorts
of things. And then the other thing you have to
take into consideration is that the doctors, so the actual
medical examiners that work there, they're not union employees, so
(29:59):
they're there at work, but they there's only a couple
of them, Like, they can't do all the work. They
need help. They can't do it. They can't do it all.
So it's just like it's not cool to the doctors either.
And then you're putting all this pressure on the chief
who's now in charge of the whole thing, who's going
to get blamed for every single thing that goes wrong,
even though it's not her fault.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, because how could mistakes not happen when situations like this, and.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Not to mention like if you're not you know, I
don't even know what their volume is at this point,
but when I was a student there, it was like
there was anywhere from ten to twenty bodies coming in
there every single day. So then if you're not doing
them every day, then all of a sudden, the next
day you have twenty to forty bodies and then the
next day, you know, you have thirty to sixty bodies, Like,
(30:45):
how do you ever even catch up? It's a lot.
It's just a lot of work, and it's it's not
cool for everyone involved.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, and now they're a court ordered to go back
to work on Thursday. So I'm sure everybody's miserable. That's there. Yeah,
well exactly, So I don't know this really sucks, but
I mean this is what happens sometimes, I guess. Welcome
to Philly. Yeah, seriously, all right, guys, we cannot wait
to see everybody in Atlanta tomorrow and Saturday. We're so
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Say you, guys, thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day, and the
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