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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have so many stories
for you guys this week. Don't forget that all the
stories we don't cover on Mother Knows Death are in
the gross room where we discuss some of them on
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our YouTube live sessions. Just the programming note. Normally we
drop episodes on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, but of course
this week on Thursday is Thanksgiving, so look out for
our third episode of the week on Black Friday while
you guys are all shopping. On today's episode, we're going
to be talking about the Slenderman attacker who escaped this weekend,
(00:51):
and update on Celeste Revs if you remember she was
the one found dead in the singer slash rapper David's
car trunk from whatever you call it situation, a boy
who was killed after being assaulted in what is being
called a prank that went wrong, and believe it or not,
this is not the first time it happened. We have
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two horrific cases of child abuse, a shocking admission from
a Campbell Soup executive about the quality of their products
and how he really feels about the people who consume
their products, and a woman who is found alive in
a coffin after being brought in for cremation. Then we'll
end the episode with your comments and questions and a
big announcement for all of those who are not groscery
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members or on social media. So all that and more
on today's episode. Let's get started with this shocking news
of the slender Man case.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, we did cover this case earlier this year, but
let me just give a little bit of background in
case anybody's confused or just needs to remember these details.
So back in twenty fourteen, these two twelve year old
girls had lured their friend into the woods. One of
them stabbed the girl nineteen times, while the other one
cheered that girl on the claim that but that they
were inspired by this online character named slender Man. So
(02:05):
earlier this year we had talked about how the stabber
was getting out of the psychiatric hospital she had been
staying in since this crime occurred. I guess it's important
to note that the victim did survive, which is insane
being stabbed nineteen times. And of course during that episode
we discussed how this was a horrible idea, and shocker,
it ended up being a horrible idea because she escaped
(02:25):
from the group home she was staying in.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And I I actually went back to look at the
notes that I wrote for that episode, and sure enough
I thought the same exact thing that I thought again
just looking at this girl. I don't even want to
say this because apparently she has the ability to get
out and I don't need this psycho coming after me
and trying to stab me. But she looks really really off,
(02:50):
Like just when you look at her picture, you're just like, Okay,
something is really really not right, Like there's no one,
nothing going on behind her eyes, and it's just it's
really scary that a kid that was twelve years old
even thought about doing this. She was diagnosed, so I
guess she was diagnosed with being mentally ill. She had
(03:12):
early on set childhood schizophrenia, which was broadly defined as
a psychotic spectrum disorder where she was having significant psychosist delusions,
visual and auditory hallucinations. So obviously when that happens, there's
oftentimes that they want to I mean, going to jail
is not going to help this person. And we do
(03:34):
talk about this all the time. Of when you have
a child so young that's their mind is broken, but
probably permanently, what do you do with them? You can't
stick them in jail, so I guess they thought, Okay,
we're going to put them in this group home with
some kind of what was it an ankle bracelet monitor
or something.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean she had this monitor, but she ended
up being able to cut it off so they couldn't
even and track her.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So what's really messed up about this story? I mean,
it's messed up on so many levels. But apparently this
group home that she was staying in, the people that
lived in the neighborhood didn't even know that this was
a group home that was holding this girl who has
done something like this, and there she escapes. And now
(04:22):
people that are just living in a regular neighborhood have
a person that is mentally unwell, who already has stabbed
someone nineteen times, just walking around in the public, and
they should be really pissed about that. I mean, I
wish there was something that they could do. Of Course,
you know, the judge that made this rolling probably lives
(04:46):
nowhere near them, so it's not their problem. You know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I just guess I was under the assumption that if
you live near a halfway house or group home like
this with a violent offender, you would have to be alerted.
But I guess not, or were they not doing something right?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Did they not? Were they supposed to alert the neighborhood
and they didn't, or it's just not the law that
that has to happen.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I don't know. That's a good question, because I feel
like there's one kind of near my house that I've
heard is one. I don't know if that's just like
a town room or if it's true, but I've never
I have no idea who's there, you know, I mean,
I don't know. I know they do. I think they
do alert you sometimes if there's a sex offender in
your area, but even so, I don't even know if
(05:32):
they do honestly, because when I go you know, I
live in Camden County, New Jersey, and if I go
on the website, I could see everyone that's a child
sex offender, and there's so many in a certain radius
of where I live, Camden, Penswalk and things like that,
and you don't, like, I never get any kind of
notice that any of these people are there. I see
(05:53):
them in the news sometimes getting arrested and stuff. So
I'm not sure legally how they have to let people
know who who's living near you, which is just I
don't think they needifying On a whole other level, I guess.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't think the group homes need to give a
specific breakdown of their residence. But I'm assuming if they
took her in that they also take other violent offenders,
So I would just have to alert the community that
this place has these types of people living there potentially, So.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The only thing between her and the outside world is
this ankle bracelet monitor, which obviously people can figure out
how to get off, yeah, which she did easily. So
she escaped Saturday night. She was gone for basically a
full twenty four hours. There was this huge man hunt
for her, and she was later found with this forty
three year old person that she had met at church.
(06:44):
And that person's not seemingly getting in trouble either. But
so you have this situation where is that person like
her boyfriend girlfriend's situation, or they're just friends, And I
mean that person's for forty some years old and she's
twenty three, So I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
They just said that they met at church. And they
formed a bond. But then, you know, this is still
having me think, like, I don't know if necessarily this
person encouraged her to leave, but they certainly helped her
with her escape in some capacity, because it's not like
they stayed in the area. They traveled within that twenty
four hours. So I just see her brain as being
(07:24):
so susceptible. I mean, the original crime occurred because she
claimed she was being told by an online figure to
kill this girl, right, and then she's immediately upon release.
It's not even been a full year, she's been out
already having another situation. She was sentenced to be in
that psychiatric hospel for forty years, so I don't even
(07:44):
understand why she was eligible to ge out. She wasn't
even in there for ten years.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, And it does make you question too when you're
in a situation like that, you're living in a group
home with an ankle monitor, who they allow you to
associate on the outside world, because obviously, like, look what
happened here, She's talking to someone who's not I mean,
(08:11):
as far as we're concern, not involved with the law
in any way, and forming a bond able to talk
without monitored conversations. So I would assume that this happens
more frequently than we're even hearing about right now, because
obviously it's like, if you're in jail and you're able
to talk to people to the outside world, Hey, try
(08:34):
to get me out of here, right, that's like a
normal thing.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, And I just wonder, I mean, I just wonder
at this point if it's like a one strike in
your out type of deal in these group homes, if
she's gonna be going back to the psychiatric hospital, because
I mean, this wasn't like she straight off of a
group trip. She snuck out in the middle of the
night and cut her ankle raza off. She clearly was
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knowingly doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So it's such a risk to the public. It's just
not fair to us. And really, like, if you have
a group home with people that are that dangerous, if
you open the front door of like a normal house,
you could have an alarm on and the door will ring.
How is this person getting out? Like, It's just it
(09:24):
just seems super sloppy.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't surprised when
this popped out on the headlines be either. I was like, oh, really,
that wasn't a great idea.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Surprised.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't think at twelve years old you're committing such
a heinous crime and then all of a sudden, within
ten years you're like ready to go be reintroduced into society.
I just don't think that's possible. Yeah, I don't know
what the solution is for these people that are suffering
like this, But I don't think she was ready to
come out. And I wonder if they're going to do
an investigation to see the reports that allowed her to
(09:58):
leave that facility, because like clearly she was not ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I remember, I'll say asking that at the time,
what was what was the factors that they decided she's
she could go to a step down unit because apparently,
I mean, obviously she's she's going to want to get out.
You don't want to be having someone watch you all
the time and have an ankle bracelet on. But and
it is possible that now she's she's treated. I mean,
(10:26):
I don't know, because just looking at her, she still
looks really off. But there's a possibility that with medication
and therapy and stuff, that she's treated and thinking more
like a normal person, which is also why she's like,
I don't want need to be here anymore because I
feel fine. Kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, that's kind of the thing I wanted to bring
up too, Like, so she got off of this crime
on this insanity plea, right, but now she has more
mental clarity that she knows how to escape her group home.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah. And also I mean we should mention this too,
that the person that she's it is still alive and living,
and imagine going through that and surviving that and now
knowing that that person is on the loose. No, I mean,
she must have been terrified for the they found her
(11:15):
right within it twenty four hours or forty eight hours,
but still she.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Mustn't been terrified. But it's not fair to the victim
at all, No, because I'm sure that girl didn't get
any say whether she was getting out or not.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
No, of course not. And I'm sure I'm sure that.
I mean, I could just imagine something like that happening
to my child, and just how do you even sleep
comfortably at night? Not like knowing that that person is
at least in prison, because it's a lot it seems
like it's a lot harder to escape prison, like being
in a home, like that is just I don't know,
(11:49):
like it's just really really scary. And unfortunately, this is
not the only case of this that's going on. And
I'm sure there's people that are listening right now that
have that are victims of some kind of violence and
their offender is walking free.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I mean, think about people that are sexually assaulted or
victims of DUIs and those people just walk free like
they did nothing. Slap on the wrist, it's all we
ever talk about.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, there was a story in the news this week
too about like I just don't even want to talk
about it, so upsetting, but some guy set a young
girl on fire on a train in Chicago, and you know,
sure enough it comes out that he was arrested like
dozens of times, you know. I mean, this it's just
it just seems to be the way and there. I mean,
(12:35):
the thing is is that there's lots of people who
do get arrested and get arrested for you know, lower crimes,
stupid stuff, traffic violations and stuff like that, and they
don't go on to like be career criminals or violence.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, well, if you're like lottimes for like shoplifting
or blowing red lights or whatever on paid certificates. Yeah,
it's the thing that goes set somebody on fire on
a subject exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And that's what makes you think, like, well, what were
their prior convictions, because you do hear about this often
that it's a person that has a long standing history
of violent crime, and especially when people just keep getting
away with it, even if they go to jail for
a year or something, they're kind of getting away with it,
like they're just gonna one up and one up until
(13:24):
I mean, setting someone on fire is the worst thing
that you could do to a person, and especially if
she survives it, like you know that that life is
is she's going to have a terrible life from that.
All right.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Updates in the Celestre Visk case, so on YouTube Live
last week, we discussed how David officially has become a
suspect in this case, even though no charges have been
filed yet.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But I know they're shocking.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Line seriously, like it's it's unbelievable. But now more disturbing
information is coming out that her body was reportedly froz
decapitated and her limbs were cut in pieces. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Right? So this is like turning into a megadrama situation
because apparently this weekend there was some kind of leak
or something to TMZ that said that her body was
found decapitated, dismembered, and frozen. So People magazine interviewed a
(14:29):
captain from the LAPD in an exclusive interview from the
homicide Division that said she was not frozen and she
was not decapitated. Quote. Even if she had been frozen
solid when she was put in the car, which there
was no evidence to suggest she was five or more
weeks in the trunk of a car in sweltering heat
in the middle of summer would not have resulted in
(14:51):
a partially frozen body being discovered on September eighth. So
now the Medical Examiner's Office in LA has put out
a statement that this case is just like under security
holds because of whatever leeks are coming out or whatever.
So I don't know if TMC just reported something that
(15:17):
they didn't have a good source for or whatever, but
it's kind of really sloppy if that's not true at all,
because I saw other stories coming out saying that this
freezer in David's house was like the focus of this investigation. Now,
and like what is going on that they would say that,
And then the way that he's saying it, saying her
(15:40):
body was in the car for weeks, like nobody ever
had said that before, because just because I mean, we
know that her body at least as far as documentation
that there was this tesla outside that was abandoned on
a street for a couple of days before neighbors got
it towed, and then it was in the tow lot
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for a couple of days before police were called. But
that doesn't mean that her body was in the trunk
the entire time. It could have just been in there
for like five days. I mean, like we don't know
because we're not involved with the investigation. So that police
officer saying that it's not probable isn't one hundred percent
correct unless obviously they know more information than we do.
(16:25):
Because if you did have a body that was solid
frozen for months and then put into a freezer, there
could be evidence of that still being in the trunk
for only five days, but probably not even But think
about this, is this is a really disgusting turkey. Turkeys
exactly like we're talking about Thanksgiving this week, and it's
(16:47):
like they tell you. I saw all these memes on
Facebook and social media this weekend that said, don't forget
to take out your turkey, right, so your turkey's only
what twenty pounds or something, give or take, and they
tell you to take it out how many days before
Thanksgiving to make sure that it's thalled, because it takes
forever for it to thall. Well, if you have a
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human being that's one hundred and twenty pounds, it takes
a while, right, So if that's the case, because I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And so.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't even know if the medical examiner has actually
ruled that the death is undetermined at this point, because
I think a lot of whatever TMC reported is now
being debunked by at least someone, so and now the
case is on lockdown, so we don't really know for
sure is.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It being debunked or is it just somebody trying to
do damage control because of the leaks.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
One hundred percent possible, and you know the leaks. You know,
it's very difficult because being someone that has worked that
has worked in this field for a long time, it's
very hard when you have lots of employees involved in
a case because it's not just a medical examiner doing
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an autopsy, and it could be kept down low. There's secretaries,
there's technicians. There's just lots of people involved in the case.
And then you have police officers and then you have
their investigators and you have their secretaries and stuff. It's
just like a lot of people have their hands in
the case. And the same thing could be said for hospital.
(18:24):
Like remember when Princess Catherine was you know, had the
cancer thing, and there's leaks because people can go.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
To Team middle Nobody in America calls her Princess Catherine
Kate Middleton whatever, that's that's her name though, right am I?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Am I wrong? That?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, but nobody will know who you are talking.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, regard there's like one princess who doesn't know anyway.
So remember there were like leaks though from the hospital,
because if someone from the Medical Examiner's office will give
information like that, because that's like super juicy to TMZ,
they'll pay them a shit ton of money for that,
and especially people working at the medical examiners don't make shit.
(19:08):
That could be like life changing money for someone like thousands,
hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands of dollars just for
that info.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So that's what I wanted to say. Because TMZ is
considered this, you know, gross tabloid, right, but they actually
are pretty credible with their sources. So I would be
surprised if they got bad information because I don't think,
like think of Doomois for example, on Instagram, it is
this girl that just gets anonymous emails from anybody that
(19:35):
write whatever the fuck they want about celebrities. You could
write them an email right now and be like I
had six with Leonardo Dicapro, Yes Dicrio yesterday on the
boat and they post it. That's not how TMZ operates.
So I would be surprised if the source was incredible.
I don't think they would just post that information coming
from anybody. I think that person would have to prove.
But I mean it could be wrong, of course. I
(19:55):
just don't see them even sharing that information unless they
truly thought it was coming from a credible source, or
they were able to get their hands on an official document.
I mean, are we ever getting this document or can
we get our thirty two dollars back? Because it's been
a while and Lauren, like you already said, but Lauren
Conlin shared last night on Instagram that the judges put
a hold on any records being released in this case,
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so we're not going to see anything for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, And I mean I understand from their perspective because
they're doing they're doing an investigation. So and also the police,
just because the police officer said there was no evidence
of that, they're not directly involved in the in the
medical examination, medical examiner investigation of the death. And I
(20:45):
don't know what access they have to all the records
of their findings because it's you know what I mean,
like it's just a totally different thing. Like the medical
examiner's not in the police office. There's no reason that
all homicide detective would would be there multiple times to
check all of this stuff. But I don't know if
they have access to the toxicology reports and the path
(21:08):
reports and stuff like that. And they more than likely
do because they're doing a death investigation. And like you said,
it's just totally possible that he's putting it out there.
I just it is. It is interesting to me, and
I did write about this in the gross Room, if
you guys are interested, because if she was in fact frozen,
(21:31):
that could that could really mean something as far as
what they're able to find and what they're not able
to find. I've seen a lot of people who are
just reporters online saying that that would be a good
thing because you would you if you froze her body,
it would like capture her in time, and then they
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would be able to do testing on stuff on that.
And that's just not true. Again, anybody who's ever eat
in meat and put it in the freezer and take
it out, it's just not the same as when it's fresh.
You get freezer burn and the low temperatures could burst
the cells. So when we sometimes have to look at
(22:13):
tissue under the microscope in the pathology lab while people
are getting surgeries, and we freeze it, but we do
it like a snap freeze with liquid nitrogen, and that
minimizes the artifacts that you would see under the microscope.
But when you put something in a freezer like a
house or freezer, when you're slowly freezing something like ice
(22:36):
crystals form within the tissues and could puncture the cell
walls and then all of the material inside the cells
can get outside of the cells and it changes things
for not only under the microscope, it can look very
blurry and chattered, and you just can't really see the
pathology that's going on. But also with toxicology, it could
affect some of the results that you're trying to check for.
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So it's not it could be a reason why, if
the TMC report is correct, why they're saying that the
cause of death is undetermined, because they would look at
her autopsy and if she was, if she was dismembered, whatever,
they would be able to see if she had trauma,
(23:22):
so like, did someone stab her, they would see knife
marks on the bone, or they could did someone shoot her,
they would see a gunshot wound in the bone. Did
someone beat her up? She might have fractures on the bone,
evidence of bruising and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But wasn't he initially reported that she was so decomposed
they were having a difficult time identifying her. So doesn't
that kind of negate the frozen detail because what didn't
her at least her physical appearance be more preserved. While
I'm just having a hard time as a regular person
wrapping my head around.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
This, well, when you're decomposed, When you're decomposed, though, there's
just so many levels of it you can go from.
Because really, sometimes like I'll never forget in the summer
when I went with one of the investigators to a
scene of a suicide and this guy had shot himself
and was he was renting a room in a house,
so it was it was a small room that fit
(24:16):
a twin bed and a dresser, and that was about it.
And this guy shot himself and the other residents didn't
call the police. Oddly enough, they heard a gun shop
in their buildings, but they didn't. They didn't call police
until it started smelling. So we got there and the
guy was The guy was like, if I looked at him,
(24:37):
I'd be like, oh, I probably know who that is.
He was really bloated, but he just looked like he
just looked bloated. Right, We take his body, we bring
him to the medical examiner's office, and we do the
autopsy the following morning. When they took him out of
the fridge, he was like a black green color. His
tongue was so swollen it was sticking out. His lips
were really swollen and bloated. And I actually said to
(25:01):
the investigator, I don't think that's the same guy, because
he looked that much different. And they were like, no,
that's you. Know this is when I was new and stuff. No,
that just happens because it was the summer and he
was really decomposed and like it just went and he
was out in that heat before we put him in
the fridge. But you still continue to break down. So
and at that point if somebody had to look at him,
(25:24):
when you see a person that's decomposed and green and bloating,
a lot of people are like, I can't even recognize
that person. They look they they look unrecognizable. It also
could go as far as a person's like a complete skeleton,
so you don't really know what the degree is.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I understand that I'm saying, like with the frozen component
ated in because they're trying to say like she was
still mid thawing out, but then at the same time
was so decomposed she was unrecognizable.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well another it's listen, there's just so many possibilities, Like
she could have been in the house and they didn't
know what to do with her body for days, and
she was so decomposed starting to decompose and smell, so
they were like, shit, let's stick this in the freezer.
Like I don't know, there's just so many different things
that could happen. And I mean, obviously all of it
(26:11):
from our perspective is speculation because we don't really know
for sure. It's just a really interesting thing that they
decided to put out this weekend. And and I don't
know how reputable the source is because obviously the story
got millions of clicks, right.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Well, yeah, because now, like I think, when we initially
reported it, they thought she died within a week or
a couple of weeks of being found, and now they're
saying she may have died in the spring. So which
is it. Yeah, it's just all over the place. I mean,
I understand why they want to keep the record sealed,
but at the same time, if this information isn't true,
(26:51):
it's not helping their case and making it more sensationalized
than the media. So well, I don't say, well, keep
you guys, no one's been charged. Its possibly a second
person involved too. I don't even think that.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Another thing that I thought was weird because they were
they said, oh, her body was dismembered. And remember we've
been talking about that back and forth, because if she
was severely decomposed, that could have just been a normal
like a natural dismemberment just because the soft tissue that
holds the bones together fell apart. So that almost seemed
to be confirmed with this new information. But then they
(27:24):
also said it looks like the person had help dismembering.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, and I'm like, I'm too blive because they said
clearly if she was dismembered, multiple people were involved, and
I'm like, no, you clearly haven't covered your CRIMEA is
this because one person is definitely capable of doing it?
And you said, especially if they know anatomy, it's real easy.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm I mean, listen, like I'm serious. I could dismember
a person very quickly with one scalpel bleede. I don't
even have to change.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
The spisode is going to get flagged fad.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying that I'm going to
do it. I'm just saying that I have dismembered cadavers
like in the anatomy lab. It's just very it's very
easy to do if you know where you're going. You
don't need like to go to home depot and get
crazy saws and everything like that. It's just easy to
disarticulate the bones. But like I don't and maybe I
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mean obviously, like I don't cover dismemberment cases, so I
don't know how you would be able to tell that
someone helped. That just seems kind of weird, unless they
saw something at the scene that would indicate, like in
the garage there was a giant chainsaw and there was
two sets of footprints around the body covered in blood,
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like that's that's the only thing I could think. But
just actually looking at it, I don't see.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I just think it was bad reporting.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Honestly, it's really terrible, and it's hard for It's hard
for a person like me because I'm like, I don't
know what to freaking tell you. It's it still tells
us nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
This episode isn't on YouTube, you know why. Let's move
on though, all right. A fifteen year old boy has
died after his coworkers inserted a high pressure hose into
his rectum as a prank. I don't know who thinks
this is funny, but apparently this has happened to other
teenage boys in recent years as well, So it's so
I as soon as I read this, I was like,
oh my god, I have a case of this in
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the grocroom actually, and I titled it blow it up
your ass, and it's the same exact situation.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't it all All of the stories, including this
one and the other stories they mentioned in this article,
all have to do with boys or men doing this
to other boys or men. So and it seems like
in their minds they might think that this is a
funny prank, but it's it's sexual assault and homicide.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Is sticking things up people's butts a prank. I just
don't think that's I think it's weird.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
But it's similar, like when I'm telling you about this
case in the grocery room. Let me tell you about
it because it's almost the same as that case. It's
a forty two year old guy who's working in as
a mechanic, right and decides it would be funny or
someone there decides it's funny if they pull down the
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guy's pants, stick a hose in his butt, and then
turn on this high pressure air hose that you would
use like to put air in tires or you could
use it for certain kind of tools. It's it's like
a high PSI and air guns anything like that, Right,
So they put this up inside of the guy's butt,
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which is it is it's weird. It's just weird, Like
I don't see the funny part of it, but it
like essentially blows a hole right through their the rectum
and their bow perforates and they end up dying because
of it. In the case of the grocery room, you
have to see the pictures of the autopsy, there's like
straight up a hole in the guy's wreckedum because someone
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stuck a tube up there and blue air in this guy,
like killed this guy for absolutely no reason. And in
this particular case too, this is a fifteen year old
kid that got killed again by his coworkers who thought
it was funny to do something like this. So I
just can't understand how this people do do dumb like
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I remember once one of the residents that I was
working with got we so like I was talking about earlier,
when we do frozen tissue for during surgeries, we would
use the sprite to freeze tissue more and one of
the residents, who was just like always practical joker like
came up to me and put the spray like right
against my leg my leg and sprayed it. And I
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just remember looking at him, like, what on earth, why
would you think that was a good idea, Like you
could kill the tissue of my skin freezing it like that,
Like why would you think that was funny? Like it
hurt really bad, but it also could have been really bad.
So I I think sometimes people just think they're doing
something funny and they're just not thinking. I mean, to me,
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it's to me, it's sexual assault on homicide, but it's
one hundred I'm not sure that that's like what they
were going for.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I just don't I even understand in your story you
just told how that could just be like something really
stupid somebody you just did really quick, but it's so dangerous.
But in this case, it's like it sounds like something
that would be done on like jackass or something. If
you're even shoving something in somebody's mouth, like you shouldn't
be putting anything in anybody's holes unconsensed.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Especially their buttholes. Like it's just it is, it's weird,
and I mean, I'm assuming that these people are going
to get in trouble for this, but it just has
like Jackass vibes to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Just do it, like yeah, but you can't do it
when like every person doesn't say, it's okay if you
as they're all consenting to it, I know.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But if you watch Jackass most of the stuff they do,
you're just like, why would any person like put a
taser up to their balls? I don't know, Like guys,
sometimes certain guys just like do dumb shit. Maybe it's
that or maybe really they are I don't know, but
it sucks because this kid's dead. And this is what
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happened to the guy in the gross im Like, they
blew the air up his butt and then they were
all laughing ha ha ha, and all of a sudden,
the guy was like in extreme pain and they brought
him to the hospital and here is bow perforated and
he lived for five whole days with sepsis and ended
up dying.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
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All right, Back in twenty twenty, this couple stabbed and
decapitated both their thirteen year old daughter and twelve year
old son. And if that's not bad enough, they made
their other two younger kids look at the b.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, and then they locked their bodies in a room
for several days and didn't feed the kids either. Like,
it's just unbelievable. I don't even really know what to
say about this story. I always think it's really weird
when there's you know, when someone abuses a child that's weird.
But then well, I guess our next story too. It's
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just like when there's multiple people doing it. It's just
a very bizarre thing to me because most people that
you talk to would agree that that's just the worst
thing ever that you could do to a child. So
how do you get two people on board unless they're
on like bath salts or something and they're both having
(35:41):
some kind of bad trip psychosis thing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That likes there's no excuse for this.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
No, that would actually make me feel better because if
they're just if they're just like a couple and they
just did that, that scares me even worse because you're
just like, what would cause a person to do that.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
This lady is smirking in the mugshot. She clearly has
something terrible going on. I don't know if she's a
drug addict or having a mental disorder, but nothing's excusable.
I don't know how these other two children are supposed
to ever live normal lives after seeing something like that.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, I mean, eight and nine years old, they're gonna
I mean, hopefully they could get that erase from their brain,
but they very much know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So in another horrific case of child abuse. This fourteen
year old girl was found weighing only thirty five pounds,
while the adults responsible for her were all morbidly obese
and starving her.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, I mean, that's the striking thing with this particular
case when you hear that this girl was only thirty
five pounds and the investigators and police that first found
her they thought that she was six or seven years
old because of how small she was, and so horrific
it is. It's so horrific. And then when you look
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at every single person's mugshot, they're all super morbid obese,
and you're just like you hear more details of the
case which are even more disturbing, like the family's trying
to say that she was autistic and she didn't want
to eat sometimes, but then they revealed text messages between
one another saying things about not feeding her. And she
went to the hospital, and you know, when you're in
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the hospital, they give you three meals a day, and
they the nurses that were taking care of her, said
that her face lit up when she heard she was
getting fed three times a day, and she took a
bite of food and she wanted more food, and then
she was telling the nurses that, oh, my god, my
dad would be so mad at me right now if
he saw that I was eating more than two bites
of food.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It was just clearly intentional abuse because also her mom
went to jail in twenty twenty, and that's when she
started living with the dad full time. And then she
had gone to school during COVID for one year, and
then he said he was homeschooling her, which we'd see
a lot in these child abuse cases where the parents
claimed their homeschooling the kids. And then there's other people
saying that the dad said he wished she could kill
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her or leave her in the woods. I mean, she
probably would have been better off being left alone in
the middle of the woods and not dealing with these assholes.
And he monitored her and communicated with her via a
webcam that was in her room, so she was under
constant surveillance. Like I don't, I don't understand. Even let's
say she did have autism and wasn't eating, it's still
your responsibility as a parent to be making sure your
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child's healthy.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, And that's they're going to do an investigation to
see if perhaps prior because I mean, she was only
a little kid when what nine years old when COVID happened,
When COVID happened, But the investigator should be able to
go back to her pediatrician records if someone ever took
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her to the doctor, because god knows how this kid's
been living. They said, she hasn't been to the doctor since,
like her whole Well that's what I'm saying. Though, if
they go back and look from when she was nine
years old, they'll be able to see her growth curve
and see that if she if she was just a
very small, undernourished kid because of an underlying health condition,
or because there are cases where where there's problems with
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children growth and eating because of an underlying health condition.
But they'll be able to say, oh, I mean, like
in theory, when she was nine years old, she should
have weighed you know, sixty to seventy five pounds. So
if and now she's thirty five pounds, I mean, so
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if she weighed you know what I mean, like she
would have had to weigh twenty five or thirty pounds
at that time if the growth continued the same. And
obviously so who were the women in the picture with
the guy?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So her father's stepmother, stepsister, and the stepsister's partner were
all arrested, and this article says that all of them
face charges and they're facing more than eighty years in prison.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Good good, I mean, I just I don't understand why. Like,
it's just it's just very streng to see that a
child was getting starved. I mean, this kid was very starved,
to the point where she had liver failure, pancreatic failure,
cardiac issues. Because when you are when you're starved, your
body starts kind of it needs protein to survive, and
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the way it gets the protein is to get it
from your heart muscle and to get it from your liver,
and then those organs start to fail, and they thought
that she might die in the hospital. I mean, that's
how sick she was. It's not like this was just
a mild thing. This has been going on for years.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
The weirdest part of this is that the dad called
nine one one reporting she was lethargic and weak. And
it's like, you went to all these great lengths to
cover up your abuse, not sending her to school, not
taking her to the doctor, and then you're calling nine
one one, and you think they're just going to show
up and not think you did anything wrong. It's funny
because we see we do see that in a lot
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of child abuse cases, that people abuse the kid for
years and years and then finally bring the kid to
the hospital. And I mean, like anybody that's listening right
now that works in the er will tell you that that.
A kid will come in and you're just like, they
do an x ray and they're like, no, this kid's
had multiple broken bones that have never been healed, and
like why now, Like what finally was like, Hey, this
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kid is like about to die or something, you know, yeah,
all right. Campbell's is now being investigated after recording leaked
where an executive referred to the meat they use in
their products as bioengineered. Specifically, he said, quote, it's not
healthy now that I know what the fucks in it,
bioengineered meat. I don't want to eat a piece of
chicken that came from a three D printer.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Real nice, So, also insulting the people that have that,
like Campbell's, he said that he wouldn't even eat it, okay,
then said that people who eat it are poor. All
of this shit and I'm just like whoa, this is
really bad for them, which if any of this is true,
it's gonna be really really bad for them as far
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as the lab processed meat, because my like, I guess
I'm considered a really poor person because like Lillian's favorite
food is Campbell soup, like chicken noodle, Campbell soup.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I mean so many children love I mean not even children,
so many people love Campbell soup. I love the creamy tomato.
It's delicious.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I think that it's possible that I mean the chicken. Well,
I was thinking from when I was a kid, I
always used to pick the pieces out because I thought
they were gross and there was definitely not lab grown
meat as a kid, but I as a consumer that
gives that to my child a few times a month,
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I want to know if my kid's eating lab grown
meat or not. I feel like we have a right
to know that.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Well, yeah, and I guess what's happening now is Florida's
Attorney General is opening this investigation because lab grown meat
is banned in Florida and in other parts of the
country it is allowed, but it has to be disclosed
that that's what's happening on the product, which is disgusting
the concept of lab grown meat is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, it really, it is disgusting. And they put out
a statement that says, quote the chicken, which I think
is labeled or worded very interesting with.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
The chicken meat.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
The chicken meat used in our soup comes from long
trusted USDA approved US suppliers, and meat are high quality standards.
All of our soups are made with no antibiotics ever
chicken meat, meaning we don't allow antibiotics to be added
to the feed water or any commercial vaccine used by
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our chicken suppliers. So to me, that doesn't say that
it's not lab grown meat.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, it's just it's it's wordsmithing.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Who who says, like, if you're talking to Purdue about chicken,
are they going to say all of our chicken meat
or they go to say like our chickens are fed,
Like they're not calling them chickens.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's saying chicken meat.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Say it's chicken meat. So, and it's saying USDA proved
and all. Well, it's like meat made in the lab
is approved FDA approved. So is like a bunch of
other shit that has turned out to be really terrible
for people so which is fine. If you think lab
grown meat is fine and you want to eat it,
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that's fine. You should just be told that that's what
you're eating. And like, I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
So the guy that made these remarks was the vice
president and chief information security Officer's name is Martin Bailey.
So apparently he was secretly recorded by this security analyst,
Robert Garza, who had a meeting with him, And now
that guy has filed a lawsuit claiming that he was
fired after raising concerns about these remarks this guy made,
including saying incredibly racist things also about the people that
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work for Campbell's. So this guy just seems like a
piece of shit. I mean, he's talking about how he
and even eat the ingredients in the soup of the
company he's basically in charge of. He's saying it's.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Only in dollars off of two.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, he's saying it's for poor people, which is just
like not true information. And then he's just being a
dickhead in general. So I kind of applaud this guy
for like recording him and releasing it. I think it
depends which state that this recording was done. I mean,
we know that Campbell's headquarters is very close to us
in Camden. But I don't know if this is where
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this went down, because I think in New Jersey you
are allowed to record somebody without them knowing about it,
but that's not the case in every state. So I
wonder if how do you know that? Don't ask me questions. Oh,
I feel like I actually learned that well researching an
article about like why are tapping somebody's phone? Because I
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don't think they're allowed to do it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, you could see especially there's discrunts employees all
over the place at every single job you could think
of and listen, like I've been guilty of working at
certain hospitals and being like I wouldn't come to this place.
Place is going to kill you, right, And like I
would stand by that though if someone caught beyond recording,
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I'd be like, yeah, this is the reason why I
say that. But but like this person's an executive, they're not.
They're supposed to be the ones that are setting the
example and.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
As the power to actually change it and make it
a better product, and not just I just can't.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Imagine that this is true, because how would they keep
how would they keep something like that under wraps.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Like that, I mean, NDAs they have a bunch of money.
I really don't know. I would be surprised, but it's
disgusting and it also just makes me think about how
all this information is coming out about how bad processed
foods are and how seemingly more processed to be coming
over time, instead of trying to undo it and make
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them healthier for everyone.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
So this fake meat is it's derived from a sample
of cells from actual chickens, and then it's fed nutrients
and grown in a lab, so it technically is derived
from meat. So if you if you think about the
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DNA of it, it is meat, but it's not. It's
not just an animal that occurs in nature or naturally.
So I see why people question it, and I just
and and the way that they refer to it as
chicken meat. Like I guess the people that work at
the plant that put the meat into the soup cans,
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if they just get something that's labeled chicken meat, I
guess they might just assume that it's from a chicken.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Like listen, regular meat.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Excuse me out.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I don't want lab meat. I don't want it, and
you should have to put if that's what it.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Is, I've just never heard the word chicken meat. It's
it's just like the weirdest.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, exactly, And then I just picture.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I'm getting these giant, like vacuum sealed bags filled with
those little cubes.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
It seems like the best people working at Campbell's is
the PR team, because they're good at wordsman, and clearly
they need to reevaluate the executives going on. The guy
has been temporarily suspended pending an investigation. I guess to
make sure these claims are accurate and see exactly what's
going on. But I I kind of even don't want
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to follow up. I just don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
I it. And it sucks because now I'm kind of like,
I don't. I don't want to buy that shit anymore.
I don't, And it's and it's a shame. It's a
shame because that company has been there forever and and
you know it was started obviously, like everything gets ruined.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Right, But let's say the fake meat claim is found
to not be true, right, Like he just said something
totally false. But let's say they proved that it was
him in the recording saying all this stuff. The fact
that this guy is just full blood admitting like he
doesn't care about the quality of ingredients are putting in
the product and is purposely manufacturing it for quote poor
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people and everything. It really doesn't make me want it either,
because it's like, oh, you're just gonna put whatever shit
in there that you could legally put in there.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I also just don't cost. I don't like any business saying,
especially something that's consumed or put on your skin or anything.
I don't like any person that's working for a business
that's like, I wouldn't put that shit in my body,
Like that's scary to me. Yeah, absolutely, like I wouldn't think.
I mean, like, listen, Campbell's soup is the ultimate like
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processed food, right. I was thinking like that, that makes
sense that the cans. You could probably have one from
the time I was a kid and it would probably
still taste okay.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
But think about working at McDonald's and then being like
this huge health It's like you need to somewhat stand
behind the company and product you're working for, because otherwise
you're just a massive hympocrite.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, I guess, I guess. The thing I mean that
happened when Super Sized Me and stuff came out that
you know, the chicken nuggets weren't really chicken. Remember they
showed you how they were getting making them. Yeah, but like,
I don't know, it's it's just interesting. It's just interesting
because it says it's chicken. And and now you're like,
is this gonna unravel this whole entire underground industry of
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like all of this chicken that's being used that we're
consuming that's not even real chicken. I can't just be
them because they're about you.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
But this McDonald's chat, I might go there, You're like,
look like that who went some fries?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, you're That's the thing with McDonald's. It's like even
I don't even know if that really did anything bad
to them, because I guess when you go to Chick
fil A, I feel like it's like, Okay, you assumed
that the chicken sandwich and the chicken nuggets are from
an actual piece of chicken. They kind of look like
you can make them at your house if you wanted
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to write. And then the ones that McDonald's are like,
they look like Santa boots, right, do you look like
when is there so and and they and they're deep
fried and they taste good, So there you go. But
I don't think that anybody was like, oh, this is
like if you had to pick one over the other
as far as healthy, you would say Chick fil A, Okay,
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well at least that's a grilled piece of chicken, or
it's a piece of bread and that's dipped in oil.
And like, nobody ever thought that McDonald's nuggets were like
healthy in any kind of a way. I mean, no,
it just seems to be like our fries taste different.
Everything tastes different. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Campbell's is healthy at all, but like people should have
a right to know the ingredients coming into them and
if it's real meat versus lab grown exactly all right.
Staff at a temple in Thailand were shocked when they
received a woman in a coffin for cremation, and suddenly
they heard a knock from within and then they started
detecting some movement.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Okay, so what happened was this guy he had a
sister and he was taking care of her and she
was dying. So finally she became unresponsive and he decided
that he was going to PLoP her in a coffin
and bring her to the nearest hospital that was hundreds
of miles away and show up there because she wanted
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to be an organ donor and say like, hey, I'm
here and here's my dead sister and I want to
donate her organs. But the hospital was like, no, you
don't have a death certificate. We're not taking her. So
then he said, okay, well, I'm going to go get
her cremated, and then went to a crematory and they
said the same thing, where's the death certificate, and he said,
I don't have one. And as they were having that conversation,
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they hear a little knock, knock, knock open the lid,
and sure enough, this lady is alive in the coffin.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I just don't understand how he's going to all these
great lengths to take her to the hospital and take
her to this temple that get cremated, and he doesn't
even take the steps to try to get a death
certificate issued or make sure she's actually did. She's just like, oh,
she's not responsive, she must be dead. I'm gonna throw
her to coffin and that's it.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I am really happy with the fact of the documentation
that these different the hospital and the crematory are requiring,
because think about in some other countries that might not
be so squared away with the paperwork. They might be like, okay,
we'll take her and just and not even think twice
of it. Obviously, there's been a big story in the
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news this week about Oregon donation, so we'll talk about
that in a later episode this week. But it is
scary because what if the crematory said okay and just
kind of threw the coffin right into the flames, like no,
and this might have happened before, and that's just so scary.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
What's cool, though, is the temple said they're gonna pay
for all her medical expenses.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
That this really wasn't their problem.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
The guy, I mean, the guy might have not been
intentionally being a jerk or anything. He's just if he's
just a regular guy taking care of his dying sister.
Like he doesn't know how to pronounce someone dead. He
might have thought she was dead. He wasn't lying about it,
Like that's why there's checks in place, all right. Before
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Know, what's funny. I there's there's one that, like they
say in other countries, like I fell pregnant.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Oh yeah, I fell pregnant. Oh man, I should have
said that, it would have been funnier. But I went
through IVF. So yesterday in the Grocerroom, I wrote our
dissection all about IVF how it works, and I tried
to put parts of my experience throughout it because it
is so different for every single person. But I thought
you guys would enjoy that. I put some pictures in
(56:07):
for my surgery and everything like that, So there are
some gross pictures in there and hopefully a little heartwarming
ending that you guys can all read about. But yeah,
I am pregnant right now. I'm very excited with it.
I am having a boy. And it's been really, really
hard not to talk about it. Who we've talked about
pregnancy or IVF for related stories, because I've been going
(56:28):
through the process for about a year and it was
very difficult to keep my mouth shut during all that.
So happy I could finally talk about it.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
I mean, how many people are listeners of this show
who aren't on social media and aren't members of the
grocer room, Like we've said it. Yeah, well, you told
the grocery members last week.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I told the YouTube live people first on Friday because
those are the real ones, so I knew. I knew
they'd be excited. And Emma said she knew because my
skin's been glowing, which.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Oh my god, it is true that your skins looked
a lot better. Since then, my skin is the nicest's
ever been, except I have a big eggs of a
patch in my armpit right now.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Not that everybody needs to know that.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Thanks for that. Thanks, I'm just keeping it real.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
I mean, this is not all that glamorous, but yeah,
So I did that, and then I wanted to write
about my experience with IVF because I mean, my year
sucked medically and it was a lot to go through
and process and it was kind of crazy, and I
talked about on the YouTube live but you were giving
me shots in my butt while we were at Crime
God in the car at churls Uh Wildlife CSI, and
(57:36):
how funny that was.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
That was funny because we left when we were at
the CSI event with Cheryl, we were walking out and
I like, Maria's like bent over in the front seat
and I'm sticking a needle in her ass, and I'm
just like, oh my god, like I hope nobody actually
walks out. And it was pitch dark out there. No,
it was Abias Wildlife Center, So.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
You gotta do. It's not my choice to have to
do all those shots.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
It was. It was real fun too, because you know,
when we were at crime Con we were in Denver.
That was a two hour difference, and Maria's on some schedule,
so it was like, oh, we have to get up
at four in the morning and do these shots.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
That was, Oh my god, that was really hard. I mean, listen,
I guess I did give you the shots better than Ricky, though,
Oh my god, Ricky just go. He did a really
good job. I think after I.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Was saying that because she has to no.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I think after I was done all my shots, I
calculated I had to do like eighty eight of those
intramuscular shots or something, almost a hundred of those. It
was insane. But you put it in really fast, like
a dart, so like you don't really feel like he's
not used to doing it, so he's putting it in
so slow, and I'm like, dude, this hurts so much.
Just stab me with it. I don't want to say
(58:54):
my needlephobia is one hundred percent resolved, but that definitely
was good exposure therapy for me this year because I
had to do a lot.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
I've been telling you your whole life that once once
you got pregnant, you would get over your needle thing
because you have to get stuck so many times for
different things, and then you had to do so much
extra than any person in the world typically has to.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well, not only do you have to do I mean
you have to do a million shots for the egg retrieval,
and then for the egg retrieval, you have to get
your blood taken basically every single day for two weeks,
which is terrible. And then when you go into the transfer,
it's like you have to do a whole different set
of shots, and then you have to get your blood
taken all the time, and then you have to get
(59:39):
more blood taken when you're pregnant. So I guess it
was good at warming me up to it, because it
at the beginning of this year, I couldn't even go
in the in the room at the fertility clinic and
have my blood taken by myself, and now I can't.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
Oh my god, you have to tell them what Cheryl said.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Oh wait, I should just read it for me. I
had a whole funny conversation with her last night. Hold on,
so wait, first this quote. She said, you know us
Southerners and Italians are very similar. Big families, always food,
will cut a mother. But then she said, so I
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am unfortunately due the day of crime con so we
will not be going next year, or at least I
will not be going. And she said, ay, I should
have a baby shower there, which was like, I can't
do because I can't even go. And then she said, no,
I should just go and our session should be me
giving birth live what stage and you narrate this lady
(01:00:44):
is out of her mind.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
That would be amazing. I'd love to do that. That
would have been fun. Oh my god, she is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah yeah, but we're excited. How do you feel about
being a grandma.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I'm excited because like I could give the kid back.
That's like the biggest thing that you know. I really
I love babies and stuff, but just having two back
to back like that for me was enough to say
that I was done because it's just too much. But
if I only have to play with a kid for
a little while and give it back then. I'm super
excited about that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
That's how I felt with the girls. I was like,
this is awesome. I get to be like their cool,
big older sister, even though they think I'm a boomer.
Hand them back. But yeah, if you guys are interested
in the process of IVA for anything, I wrote a
gigantic four thousand word right up on the website. It
took me a very long time to write, so you
can head over there and read that. And I'm excited
(01:01:39):
and now I could openly talk about it because it's
been very hard as a blabbermouth to keep my mouth
That's what That's what Kara.
Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Texted me today and was like, God, that must have
been really hard for you to keep your mouth shut.
And I'm like it was. But at the same time,
like I feel like it was Maria's news to tell.
So I mean, I told a couple of my friends
that Maria wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I don't hire at scene for a couple.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Of years or something like that. But other than that,
like I already got to tell everyone that I was
pregnant when I was so like, it's your turn now, Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I wanted to, you know, I mean a lot of
like my close friends and immediate family knew I was
going through IVF. So I feel like everybody knew pretty
early when I had that. Everybody knew basically right away
when I was pregnant weeks and weeks and weeks ago. Yeah,
which I was fine with because at that time, I
was like everybody that I've told, I would also be
comfortable telling if I had a problem, right, Yeah, So
(01:02:37):
it's like I just want to I mean I even
probably could have sat on here like last week or
two weeks ago, right, but I still was like, I
want to wait till my ultrasound and they check his
neck and all that test and everything. So yeah, I mean,
I just wanted to roll it out in this specific
way because I was like, still even in the grosser room,
it's like, you guys are the best community ever and
(01:02:57):
you understand more than anybody anything. But yeah, I'm really
happy to share the news and we can move on now.
So all right, onto your questions and emails. So if
you guys have questions or stories for us, you could
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First question, this next one, one of these that you
had written down might be a little bit once a
little scandalous.
Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
It's a little scandalous.
Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I'm excited. I want more scandalous of messages from you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, we want all the stories. So this first question
we have. I think we answered this in a way
before on a previous episode, but it's always a good
refresher because we're talking about autopsies so much. So this
person's asking start to finish, how long does an autopsy take?
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
It just it really just depends on what you're looking for.
I mean, it could be as quick as a half hour,
and it could be as long as hours. It just
depends on It just depends. So usually, like when I
rotated at the Children's hospital, doing an autopsy on a
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fetus or a baby was like an all day thing.
Start in the morning, take a million pictures, just go through,
you know, because you're trying to look for congenital anomalies too,
which could just sometimes take longer, especial on really little anatomy,
so we would do the autopsy for a couple hours
in the morning and then cover up the body and
go to lunch and then come back and finish it.
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So that wouldn't be abnormal in a situation like that.
And for adults, it just depends. If they're doing it
at the medical examiner's office, they're going to be a
little bit quicker because they're really just trying to determine
the manner of cause of death, whereas sometimes in the hospital,
like in a teaching setting, we might take some more
time because we're also trying to teach medical students and
(01:04:58):
pathology residents at the same time, so we're a little
bit more thorough and we examine organs that you might
not normally look at in a regular autopsy. Like let's say,
for example, in a medical examiner's office, if there was
a person who maybe you know, got shot in the
(01:05:20):
chest and they opened them up and they could see
that that was clearly their cause of death, they probably
wouldn't take out the man's testicles and examine them, like
it's just not necessary, it has nothing to do with
why the person died. But like in the hospital setting,
especially a teaching hospital. We take out everything and look
at it most of the time just for educational purposes.
(01:05:42):
So obviously doing extra dissections and taking you know, will
take out the bow and we'll examine, you know, the
bowel contents and this and that, and like sometimes in
certain medical examiner situations, if they have a lot of autopsies,
are not going to take all that time to do it,
so it could be quick. We you know, I know
(01:06:02):
a medical examiner that has said he's very proud that
he could do one start to finish in a half hour.
Uh and and others, like I said, six seven hours brutal.
I'm more of a fan of a quicker one.
Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
But all right, this submission they just signed their email
letter K, So just listen to your episode with the
viral news story of the dog that jumped on the
bed and shot the owner, I have insider info in
ways I can't specify, but the dog was just a scapegoat.
In that story, the owner was cleaning the gun and
it was not assembled, meaning there's no way a dog
(01:06:38):
could have accidentally set it off. There was another person
in the house with the eyes of Moji. Regardless, the
man is in shape gnarly shape. But expected to be okay.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
That is that is scandalous.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
See, we want more submissions like this. Yes, we like
the insider scoop on these stories we cover because sometimes
the news just is really vague and we don't get anything.
All right, last, it's from Chelsea. November nineteenth was my daughter,
Kelly Keith's tenth birthday, and she and I love your show.
I've been following since before Nicole got her Mommy makeover.
(01:07:14):
I thought Nicole was so cool and all her tattoos
and with an education just like me, I was just
a young mother. My son is now sixteen. I'm a
nurse and I beat human anatomy, biology, and medicine into
my daughter's brains and she could talk. It's to the
point where we will watch a show and medically traumatic
event will happen and she will say, oh my god,
that's so fake. Follow that, follow by educating the entire
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Oh that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Happy birthday, Yes, happy birthday. That's so cute. We love here. Yeah,
we love to hear it because Maria and I certainly
have things like dot that we share as well, So
it is cool to have something like that with your
mom for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
We also hope we're not traumatizing her young de story.
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I know, right, it's like some of the stuff I
forget that there's younger people listening, so I don't know,
just maybe listen in the beginning of things that we're
going because we do talk about in the beginning of
the episode everything we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, but it's super cool. Thank you for writing that in.
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It was super nice. That was super nice.
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Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have so many stories
for you guys this week. Don't forget that all the
stories we don't cover on Mother Knows Death are in
the gross room where we discuss some of them on
(00:30):
our YouTube live sessions. Just the programming note. Normally we
drop episodes on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, but of course
this week on Thursday is Thanksgiving, so look out for
our third episode of the week on Black Friday while
you guys are all shopping. On today's episode, we're going
to be talking about the Slenderman attacker who escaped this weekend,
(00:51):
and update on Celeste Revs if you remember she was
the one found dead in the singer slash rapper David's
car trunk from whatever you call it situation, a boy
who was killed after being assaulted in what is being
called a prank that went wrong, and believe it or not,
this is not the first time it happened. We have
(01:11):
two horrific cases of child abuse, a shocking admission from
a Campbell Soup executive about the quality of their products
and how he really feels about the people who consume
their products, and a woman who is found alive in
a coffin after being brought in for cremation. Then we'll
end the episode with your comments and questions and a
big announcement for all of those who are not groscery
(01:33):
members or on social media. So all that and more
on today's episode. Let's get started with this shocking news
of the slender Man case.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, we did cover this case earlier this year, but
let me just give a little bit of background in
case anybody's confused or just needs to remember these details.
So back in twenty fourteen, these two twelve year old
girls had lured their friend into the woods. One of
them stabbed the girl nineteen times, while the other one
cheered that girl on the claim that but that they
were inspired by this online character named slender Man. So
(02:05):
earlier this year we had talked about how the stabber
was getting out of the psychiatric hospital she had been
staying in since this crime occurred. I guess it's important
to note that the victim did survive, which is insane
being stabbed nineteen times. And of course during that episode
we discussed how this was a horrible idea, and shocker,
it ended up being a horrible idea because she escaped
(02:25):
from the group home she was staying in.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And I I actually went back to look at the
notes that I wrote for that episode, and sure enough
I thought the same exact thing that I thought again
just looking at this girl. I don't even want to
say this because apparently she has the ability to get
out and I don't need this psycho coming after me
and trying to stab me. But she looks really really off,
(02:50):
Like just when you look at her picture, you're just like, Okay,
something is really really not right, Like there's no one,
nothing going on behind her eyes, and it's just it's
really scary that a kid that was twelve years old
even thought about doing this. She was diagnosed, so I
guess she was diagnosed with being mentally ill. She had
(03:12):
early on set childhood schizophrenia, which was broadly defined as
a psychotic spectrum disorder where she was having significant psychosist delusions,
visual and auditory hallucinations. So obviously when that happens, there's
oftentimes that they want to I mean, going to jail
is not going to help this person. And we do
(03:34):
talk about this all the time. Of when you have
a child so young that's their mind is broken, but
probably permanently, what do you do with them? You can't
stick them in jail, so I guess they thought, Okay,
we're going to put them in this group home with
some kind of what was it an ankle bracelet monitor
or something.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean she had this monitor, but she ended
up being able to cut it off so they couldn't
even and track her.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So what's really messed up about this story? I mean,
it's messed up on so many levels. But apparently this
group home that she was staying in, the people that
lived in the neighborhood didn't even know that this was
a group home that was holding this girl who has
done something like this, and there she escapes. And now
(04:22):
people that are just living in a regular neighborhood have
a person that is mentally unwell, who already has stabbed
someone nineteen times, just walking around in the public, and
they should be really pissed about that. I mean, I
wish there was something that they could do. Of Course,
you know, the judge that made this rolling probably lives
(04:46):
nowhere near them, so it's not their problem. You know.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I just guess I was under the assumption that if
you live near a halfway house or group home like
this with a violent offender, you would have to be alerted.
But I guess not, or were they not doing something right?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Did they not? Were they supposed to alert the neighborhood
and they didn't, or it's just not the law that
that has to happen.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I don't know. That's a good question, because I feel
like there's one kind of near my house that I've
heard is one. I don't know if that's just like
a town room or if it's true, but I've never
I have no idea who's there, you know, I mean,
I don't know. I know they do. I think they
do alert you sometimes if there's a sex offender in
your area, but even so, I don't even know if
(05:32):
they do honestly, because when I go you know, I
live in Camden County, New Jersey, and if I go
on the website, I could see everyone that's a child
sex offender, and there's so many in a certain radius
of where I live, Camden, Penswalk and things like that,
and you don't, like, I never get any kind of
notice that any of these people are there. I see
(05:53):
them in the news sometimes getting arrested and stuff. So
I'm not sure legally how they have to let people
know who who's living near you, which is just I
don't think they needifying On a whole other level, I guess.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't think the group homes need to give a
specific breakdown of their residence. But I'm assuming if they
took her in that they also take other violent offenders,
So I would just have to alert the community that
this place has these types of people living there potentially, So.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
The only thing between her and the outside world is
this ankle bracelet monitor, which obviously people can figure out
how to get off, yeah, which she did easily. So
she escaped Saturday night. She was gone for basically a
full twenty four hours. There was this huge man hunt
for her, and she was later found with this forty
three year old person that she had met at church.
(06:44):
And that person's not seemingly getting in trouble either. But
so you have this situation where is that person like
her boyfriend girlfriend's situation, or they're just friends, And I
mean that person's for forty some years old and she's
twenty three, So I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
They just said that they met at church. And they
formed a bond. But then, you know, this is still
having me think, like, I don't know if necessarily this
person encouraged her to leave, but they certainly helped her
with her escape in some capacity, because it's not like
they stayed in the area. They traveled within that twenty
four hours. So I just see her brain as being
(07:24):
so susceptible. I mean, the original crime occurred because she
claimed she was being told by an online figure to
kill this girl, right, and then she's immediately upon release.
It's not even been a full year, she's been out
already having another situation. She was sentenced to be in
that psychiatric hospel for forty years, so I don't even
(07:44):
understand why she was eligible to ge out. She wasn't
even in there for ten years.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, And it does make you question too when you're
in a situation like that, you're living in a group
home with an ankle monitor, who they allow you to
associate on the outside world, because obviously, like, look what
happened here, She's talking to someone who's not I mean,
(08:11):
as far as we're concern, not involved with the law
in any way, and forming a bond able to talk
without monitored conversations. So I would assume that this happens
more frequently than we're even hearing about right now, because
obviously it's like, if you're in jail and you're able
to talk to people to the outside world, Hey, try
(08:34):
to get me out of here, right, that's like a
normal thing.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, And I just wonder, I mean, I just wonder
at this point if it's like a one strike in
your out type of deal in these group homes, if
she's gonna be going back to the psychiatric hospital, because
I mean, this wasn't like she straight off of a
group trip. She snuck out in the middle of the
night and cut her ankle raza off. She clearly was
(08:59):
knowingly doing it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So it's such a risk to the public. It's just
not fair to us. And really, like, if you have
a group home with people that are that dangerous, if
you open the front door of like a normal house,
you could have an alarm on and the door will ring.
How is this person getting out? Like, It's just it
(09:24):
just seems super sloppy.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I wasn't surprised when
this popped out on the headlines be either. I was like, oh, really,
that wasn't a great idea.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Surprised.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't think at twelve years old you're committing such
a heinous crime and then all of a sudden, within
ten years you're like ready to go be reintroduced into society.
I just don't think that's possible. Yeah, I don't know
what the solution is for these people that are suffering
like this, But I don't think she was ready to
come out. And I wonder if they're going to do
an investigation to see the reports that allowed her to
(09:58):
leave that facility, because like clearly she was not ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah, I remember, I'll say asking that at the time,
what was what was the factors that they decided she's
she could go to a step down unit because apparently,
I mean, obviously she's she's going to want to get out.
You don't want to be having someone watch you all
the time and have an ankle bracelet on. But and
it is possible that now she's she's treated. I mean,
(10:26):
I don't know, because just looking at her, she still
looks really off. But there's a possibility that with medication
and therapy and stuff, that she's treated and thinking more
like a normal person, which is also why she's like,
I don't want need to be here anymore because I
feel fine. Kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, that's kind of the thing I wanted to bring
up too, Like, so she got off of this crime
on this insanity plea, right, but now she has more
mental clarity that she knows how to escape her group home.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah. And also I mean we should mention this too,
that the person that she's it is still alive and living,
and imagine going through that and surviving that and now
knowing that that person is on the loose. No, I mean,
she must have been terrified for the they found her
(11:15):
right within it twenty four hours or forty eight hours,
but still she.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Mustn't been terrified. But it's not fair to the victim
at all, No, because I'm sure that girl didn't get
any say whether she was getting out or not.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
No, of course not. And I'm sure I'm sure that.
I mean, I could just imagine something like that happening
to my child, and just how do you even sleep
comfortably at night? Not like knowing that that person is
at least in prison, because it's a lot it seems
like it's a lot harder to escape prison, like being
in a home, like that is just I don't know,
(11:49):
like it's just really really scary. And unfortunately, this is
not the only case of this that's going on. And
I'm sure there's people that are listening right now that
have that are victims of some kind of violence and
their offender is walking free.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I mean, think about people that are sexually assaulted or
victims of DUIs and those people just walk free like
they did nothing. Slap on the wrist, it's all we
ever talk about.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Well, there was a story in the news this week
too about like I just don't even want to talk
about it, so upsetting, but some guy set a young
girl on fire on a train in Chicago, and you know,
sure enough it comes out that he was arrested like
dozens of times, you know. I mean, this it's just
it just seems to be the way and there. I mean,
(12:35):
the thing is is that there's lots of people who
do get arrested and get arrested for you know, lower crimes,
stupid stuff, traffic violations and stuff like that, and they
don't go on to like be career criminals or violence.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know, well, if you're like lottimes for like shoplifting
or blowing red lights or whatever on paid certificates. Yeah,
it's the thing that goes set somebody on fire on
a subject exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And that's what makes you think, like, well, what were
their prior convictions, because you do hear about this often
that it's a person that has a long standing history
of violent crime, and especially when people just keep getting
away with it, even if they go to jail for
a year or something, they're kind of getting away with it,
like they're just gonna one up and one up until
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I mean, setting someone on fire is the worst thing
that you could do to a person, and especially if
she survives it, like you know that that life is
is she's going to have a terrible life from that.
All right.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Updates in the Celestre Visk case, so on YouTube Live
last week, we discussed how David officially has become a
suspect in this case, even though no charges have been
filed yet.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
But I know they're shocking.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Line seriously, like it's it's unbelievable. But now more disturbing
information is coming out that her body was reportedly froz
decapitated and her limbs were cut in pieces. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Right? So this is like turning into a megadrama situation
because apparently this weekend there was some kind of leak
or something to TMZ that said that her body was
found decapitated, dismembered, and frozen. So People magazine interviewed a
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captain from the LAPD in an exclusive interview from the
homicide Division that said she was not frozen and she
was not decapitated. Quote. Even if she had been frozen
solid when she was put in the car, which there
was no evidence to suggest she was five or more
weeks in the trunk of a car in sweltering heat
in the middle of summer would not have resulted in
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a partially frozen body being discovered on September eighth. So
now the Medical Examiner's Office in LA has put out
a statement that this case is just like under security
holds because of whatever leeks are coming out or whatever.
So I don't know if TMC just reported something that
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they didn't have a good source for or whatever, but
it's kind of really sloppy if that's not true at all,
because I saw other stories coming out saying that this
freezer in David's house was like the focus of this investigation. Now,
and like what is going on that they would say that,
And then the way that he's saying it, saying her
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body was in the car for weeks, like nobody ever
had said that before, because just because I mean, we
know that her body at least as far as documentation
that there was this tesla outside that was abandoned on
a street for a couple of days before neighbors got
it towed, and then it was in the tow lot
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for a couple of days before police were called. But
that doesn't mean that her body was in the trunk
the entire time. It could have just been in there
for like five days. I mean, like we don't know
because we're not involved with the investigation. So that police
officer saying that it's not probable isn't one hundred percent
correct unless obviously they know more information than we do.
(16:25):
Because if you did have a body that was solid
frozen for months and then put into a freezer, there
could be evidence of that still being in the trunk
for only five days, but probably not even But think
about this, is this is a really disgusting turkey. Turkeys
exactly like we're talking about Thanksgiving this week, and it's
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like they tell you. I saw all these memes on
Facebook and social media this weekend that said, don't forget
to take out your turkey, right, so your turkey's only
what twenty pounds or something, give or take, and they
tell you to take it out how many days before
Thanksgiving to make sure that it's thalled, because it takes
forever for it to thall. Well, if you have a
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human being that's one hundred and twenty pounds, it takes
a while, right, So if that's the case, because I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And so.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I don't even know if the medical examiner has actually
ruled that the death is undetermined at this point, because
I think a lot of whatever TMC reported is now
being debunked by at least someone, so and now the
case is on lockdown, so we don't really know for
sure is.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
It being debunked or is it just somebody trying to
do damage control because of the leaks.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
One hundred percent possible, and you know the leaks. You know,
it's very difficult because being someone that has worked that
has worked in this field for a long time, it's
very hard when you have lots of employees involved in
a case because it's not just a medical examiner doing
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an autopsy, and it could be kept down low. There's secretaries,
there's technicians. There's just lots of people involved in the case.
And then you have police officers and then you have
their investigators and you have their secretaries and stuff. It's
just like a lot of people have their hands in
the case. And the same thing could be said for hospital.
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Like remember when Princess Catherine was you know, had the
cancer thing, and there's leaks because people can go.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
To Team middle Nobody in America calls her Princess Catherine
Kate Middleton whatever, that's that's her name though, right am I?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Am I wrong? That?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, but nobody will know who you are talking.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, regard there's like one princess who doesn't know anyway.
So remember there were like leaks though from the hospital,
because if someone from the Medical Examiner's office will give
information like that, because that's like super juicy to TMZ,
they'll pay them a shit ton of money for that,
and especially people working at the medical examiners don't make shit.
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That could be like life changing money for someone like thousands,
hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands of dollars just for
that info.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So that's what I wanted to say. Because TMZ is
considered this, you know, gross tabloid, right, but they actually
are pretty credible with their sources. So I would be
surprised if they got bad information because I don't think,
like think of Doomois for example, on Instagram, it is
this girl that just gets anonymous emails from anybody that
(19:35):
write whatever the fuck they want about celebrities. You could
write them an email right now and be like I
had six with Leonardo Dicapro, Yes Dicrio yesterday on the
boat and they post it. That's not how TMZ operates.
So I would be surprised if the source was incredible.
I don't think they would just post that information coming
from anybody. I think that person would have to prove.
But I mean it could be wrong, of course. I
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just don't see them even sharing that information unless they
truly thought it was coming from a credible source, or
they were able to get their hands on an official document.
I mean, are we ever getting this document or can
we get our thirty two dollars back? Because it's been
a while and Lauren, like you already said, but Lauren
Conlin shared last night on Instagram that the judges put
a hold on any records being released in this case,
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so we're not going to see anything for a while.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, And I mean I understand from their perspective because
they're doing they're doing an investigation. So and also the police,
just because the police officer said there was no evidence
of that, they're not directly involved in the in the
medical examination, medical examiner investigation of the death. And I
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don't know what access they have to all the records
of their findings because it's you know what I mean,
like it's just a totally different thing. Like the medical
examiner's not in the police office. There's no reason that
all homicide detective would would be there multiple times to
check all of this stuff. But I don't know if
they have access to the toxicology reports and the path
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reports and stuff like that. And they more than likely
do because they're doing a death investigation. And like you said,
it's just totally possible that he's putting it out there.
I just it is. It is interesting to me, and
I did write about this in the gross Room, if
you guys are interested, because if she was in fact frozen,
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that could that could really mean something as far as
what they're able to find and what they're not able
to find. I've seen a lot of people who are
just reporters online saying that that would be a good
thing because you would you if you froze her body,
it would like capture her in time, and then they
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would be able to do testing on stuff on that.
And that's just not true. Again, anybody who's ever eat
in meat and put it in the freezer and take
it out, it's just not the same as when it's fresh.
You get freezer burn and the low temperatures could burst
the cells. So when we sometimes have to look at
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tissue under the microscope in the pathology lab while people
are getting surgeries, and we freeze it, but we do
it like a snap freeze with liquid nitrogen, and that
minimizes the artifacts that you would see under the microscope.
But when you put something in a freezer like a
house or freezer, when you're slowly freezing something like ice
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crystals form within the tissues and could puncture the cell
walls and then all of the material inside the cells
can get outside of the cells and it changes things
for not only under the microscope, it can look very
blurry and chattered, and you just can't really see the
pathology that's going on. But also with toxicology, it could
affect some of the results that you're trying to check for.
(23:00):
So it's not it could be a reason why, if
the TMC report is correct, why they're saying that the
cause of death is undetermined, because they would look at
her autopsy and if she was, if she was dismembered, whatever,
they would be able to see if she had trauma,
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so like, did someone stab her, they would see knife
marks on the bone, or they could did someone shoot her,
they would see a gunshot wound in the bone. Did
someone beat her up? She might have fractures on the bone,
evidence of bruising and stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But wasn't he initially reported that she was so decomposed
they were having a difficult time identifying her. So doesn't
that kind of negate the frozen detail because what didn't
her at least her physical appearance be more preserved. While
I'm just having a hard time as a regular person
wrapping my head around.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
This, well, when you're decomposed, When you're decomposed, though, there's
just so many levels of it you can go from.
Because really, sometimes like I'll never forget in the summer
when I went with one of the investigators to a
scene of a suicide and this guy had shot himself
and was he was renting a room in a house,
so it was it was a small room that fit
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a twin bed and a dresser, and that was about it.
And this guy shot himself and the other residents didn't
call the police. Oddly enough, they heard a gun shop
in their buildings, but they didn't. They didn't call police
until it started smelling. So we got there and the
guy was The guy was like, if I looked at him,
(24:37):
I'd be like, oh, I probably know who that is.
He was really bloated, but he just looked like he
just looked bloated. Right, We take his body, we bring
him to the medical examiner's office, and we do the
autopsy the following morning. When they took him out of
the fridge, he was like a black green color. His
tongue was so swollen it was sticking out. His lips
were really swollen and bloated. And I actually said to
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the investigator, I don't think that's the same guy, because
he looked that much different. And they were like, no,
that's you. Know this is when I was new and stuff. No,
that just happens because it was the summer and he
was really decomposed and like it just went and he
was out in that heat before we put him in
the fridge. But you still continue to break down. So
and at that point if somebody had to look at him,
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when you see a person that's decomposed and green and bloating,
a lot of people are like, I can't even recognize
that person. They look they they look unrecognizable. It also
could go as far as a person's like a complete skeleton,
so you don't really know what the degree is.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I understand that I'm saying, like with the frozen component
ated in because they're trying to say like she was
still mid thawing out, but then at the same time
was so decomposed she was unrecognizable.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well another it's listen, there's just so many possibilities, Like
she could have been in the house and they didn't
know what to do with her body for days, and
she was so decomposed starting to decompose and smell, so
they were like, shit, let's stick this in the freezer.
Like I don't know, there's just so many different things
that could happen. And I mean, obviously all of it
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from our perspective is speculation because we don't really know
for sure. It's just a really interesting thing that they
decided to put out this weekend. And and I don't
know how reputable the source is because obviously the story
got millions of clicks, right.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Well, yeah, because now, like I think, when we initially
reported it, they thought she died within a week or
a couple of weeks of being found, and now they're
saying she may have died in the spring. So which
is it. Yeah, it's just all over the place. I mean,
I understand why they want to keep the record sealed,
but at the same time, if this information isn't true,
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it's not helping their case and making it more sensationalized
than the media. So well, I don't say, well, keep
you guys, no one's been charged. Its possibly a second
person involved too. I don't even think that.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Another thing that I thought was weird because they were
they said, oh, her body was dismembered. And remember we've
been talking about that back and forth, because if she
was severely decomposed, that could have just been a normal
like a natural dismemberment just because the soft tissue that
holds the bones together fell apart. So that almost seemed
to be confirmed with this new information. But then they
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also said it looks like the person had help dismembering.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, and I'm like, I'm too blive because they said
clearly if she was dismembered, multiple people were involved, and
I'm like, no, you clearly haven't covered your CRIMEA is
this because one person is definitely capable of doing it?
And you said, especially if they know anatomy, it's real easy.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I'm I mean, listen, like I'm serious. I could dismember
a person very quickly with one scalpel bleede. I don't
even have to change.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
The spisode is going to get flagged fad.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying that I'm going to
do it. I'm just saying that I have dismembered cadavers
like in the anatomy lab. It's just very it's very
easy to do if you know where you're going. You
don't need like to go to home depot and get
crazy saws and everything like that. It's just easy to
disarticulate the bones. But like I don't and maybe I
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mean obviously, like I don't cover dismemberment cases, so I
don't know how you would be able to tell that
someone helped. That just seems kind of weird, unless they
saw something at the scene that would indicate, like in
the garage there was a giant chainsaw and there was
two sets of footprints around the body covered in blood,
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like that's that's the only thing I could think. But
just actually looking at it, I don't see.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I just think it was bad reporting.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Honestly, it's really terrible, and it's hard for It's hard
for a person like me because I'm like, I don't
know what to freaking tell you. It's it still tells
us nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
This episode isn't on YouTube, you know why. Let's move
on though, all right. A fifteen year old boy has
died after his coworkers inserted a high pressure hose into
his rectum as a prank. I don't know who thinks
this is funny, but apparently this has happened to other
teenage boys in recent years as well, So it's so
I as soon as I read this, I was like,
oh my god, I have a case of this in
(29:20):
the grocroom actually, and I titled it blow it up
your ass, and it's the same exact situation.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't it all All of the stories, including this
one and the other stories they mentioned in this article,
all have to do with boys or men doing this
to other boys or men. So and it seems like
in their minds they might think that this is a
funny prank, but it's it's sexual assault and homicide.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Is sticking things up people's butts a prank. I just
don't think that's I think it's weird.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
But it's similar, like when I'm telling you about this
case in the grocery room. Let me tell you about
it because it's almost the same as that case. It's
a forty two year old guy who's working in as
a mechanic, right and decides it would be funny or
someone there decides it's funny if they pull down the
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guy's pants, stick a hose in his butt, and then
turn on this high pressure air hose that you would
use like to put air in tires or you could
use it for certain kind of tools. It's it's like
a high PSI and air guns anything like that, Right,
So they put this up inside of the guy's butt,
(30:39):
which is it is it's weird. It's just weird, Like
I don't see the funny part of it, but it
like essentially blows a hole right through their the rectum
and their bow perforates and they end up dying because
of it. In the case of the grocery room, you
have to see the pictures of the autopsy, there's like
straight up a hole in the guy's wreckedum because someone
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stuck a tube up there and blue air in this guy,
like killed this guy for absolutely no reason. And in
this particular case too, this is a fifteen year old
kid that got killed again by his coworkers who thought
it was funny to do something like this. So I
just can't understand how this people do do dumb like
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I remember once one of the residents that I was
working with got we so like I was talking about earlier,
when we do frozen tissue for during surgeries, we would
use the sprite to freeze tissue more and one of
the residents, who was just like always practical joker like
came up to me and put the spray like right
against my leg my leg and sprayed it. And I
(31:45):
just remember looking at him, like, what on earth, why
would you think that was a good idea, Like you
could kill the tissue of my skin freezing it like that,
Like why would you think that was funny? Like it
hurt really bad, but it also could have been really bad.
So I I think sometimes people just think they're doing
something funny and they're just not thinking. I mean, to me,
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it's to me, it's sexual assault on homicide, but it's
one hundred I'm not sure that that's like what they
were going for.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
I just don't I even understand in your story you
just told how that could just be like something really
stupid somebody you just did really quick, but it's so dangerous.
But in this case, it's like it sounds like something
that would be done on like jackass or something. If
you're even shoving something in somebody's mouth, like you shouldn't
be putting anything in anybody's holes unconsensed.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Especially their buttholes. Like it's just it is, it's weird,
and I mean, I'm assuming that these people are going
to get in trouble for this, but it just has
like Jackass vibes to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Just do it, like yeah, but you can't do it
when like every person doesn't say, it's okay if you
as they're all consenting to it, I know.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
But if you watch Jackass most of the stuff they do,
you're just like, why would any person like put a
taser up to their balls? I don't know, Like guys,
sometimes certain guys just like do dumb shit. Maybe it's
that or maybe really they are I don't know, but
it sucks because this kid's dead. And this is what
(33:17):
happened to the guy in the gross im Like, they
blew the air up his butt and then they were
all laughing ha ha ha, and all of a sudden,
the guy was like in extreme pain and they brought
him to the hospital and here is bow perforated and
he lived for five whole days with sepsis and ended
up dying.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
So it's just unreal, it really is. This episode is
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All right, Back in twenty twenty, this couple stabbed and
decapitated both their thirteen year old daughter and twelve year
old son. And if that's not bad enough, they made
their other two younger kids look at the b.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, and then they locked their bodies in a room
for several days and didn't feed the kids either. Like,
it's just unbelievable. I don't even really know what to
say about this story. I always think it's really weird
when there's you know, when someone abuses a child that's weird.
But then well, I guess our next story too. It's
(35:21):
just like when there's multiple people doing it. It's just
a very bizarre thing to me because most people that
you talk to would agree that that's just the worst
thing ever that you could do to a child. So
how do you get two people on board unless they're
on like bath salts or something and they're both having
(35:41):
some kind of bad trip psychosis thing.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That likes there's no excuse for this.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
No, that would actually make me feel better because if
they're just if they're just like a couple and they
just did that, that scares me even worse because you're
just like, what would cause a person to do that.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
This lady is smirking in the mugshot. She clearly has
something terrible going on. I don't know if she's a
drug addict or having a mental disorder, but nothing's excusable.
I don't know how these other two children are supposed
to ever live normal lives after seeing something like that.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, I mean, eight and nine years old, they're gonna
I mean, hopefully they could get that erase from their brain,
but they very much know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So in another horrific case of child abuse. This fourteen
year old girl was found weighing only thirty five pounds,
while the adults responsible for her were all morbidly obese
and starving her.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, I mean, that's the striking thing with this particular
case when you hear that this girl was only thirty
five pounds and the investigators and police that first found
her they thought that she was six or seven years
old because of how small she was, and so horrific
it is. It's so horrific. And then when you look
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at every single person's mugshot, they're all super morbid obese,
and you're just like you hear more details of the
case which are even more disturbing, like the family's trying
to say that she was autistic and she didn't want
to eat sometimes, but then they revealed text messages between
one another saying things about not feeding her. And she
went to the hospital, and you know, when you're in
(37:16):
the hospital, they give you three meals a day, and
they the nurses that were taking care of her, said
that her face lit up when she heard she was
getting fed three times a day, and she took a
bite of food and she wanted more food, and then
she was telling the nurses that, oh, my god, my
dad would be so mad at me right now if
he saw that I was eating more than two bites
of food.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
It was just clearly intentional abuse because also her mom
went to jail in twenty twenty, and that's when she
started living with the dad full time. And then she
had gone to school during COVID for one year, and
then he said he was homeschooling her, which we'd see
a lot in these child abuse cases where the parents
claimed their homeschooling the kids. And then there's other people
saying that the dad said he wished she could kill
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her or leave her in the woods. I mean, she
probably would have been better off being left alone in
the middle of the woods and not dealing with these assholes.
And he monitored her and communicated with her via a
webcam that was in her room, so she was under
constant surveillance. Like I don't, I don't understand. Even let's
say she did have autism and wasn't eating, it's still
your responsibility as a parent to be making sure your
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child's healthy.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, And that's they're going to do an investigation to
see if perhaps prior because I mean, she was only
a little kid when what nine years old when COVID happened,
When COVID happened, But the investigator should be able to
go back to her pediatrician records if someone ever took
(38:41):
her to the doctor, because god knows how this kid's
been living. They said, she hasn't been to the doctor since,
like her whole Well that's what I'm saying. Though, if
they go back and look from when she was nine
years old, they'll be able to see her growth curve
and see that if she if she was just a
very small, undernourished kid because of an underlying health condition,
or because there are cases where where there's problems with
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children growth and eating because of an underlying health condition.
But they'll be able to say, oh, I mean, like
in theory, when she was nine years old, she should
have weighed you know, sixty to seventy five pounds. So
if and now she's thirty five pounds, I mean, so
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if she weighed you know what I mean, like she
would have had to weigh twenty five or thirty pounds
at that time if the growth continued the same. And
obviously so who were the women in the picture with
the guy?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
So her father's stepmother, stepsister, and the stepsister's partner were
all arrested, and this article says that all of them
face charges and they're facing more than eighty years in prison.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Good good, I mean, I just I don't understand why. Like,
it's just it's just very streng to see that a
child was getting starved. I mean, this kid was very starved,
to the point where she had liver failure, pancreatic failure,
cardiac issues. Because when you are when you're starved, your
body starts kind of it needs protein to survive, and
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the way it gets the protein is to get it
from your heart muscle and to get it from your liver,
and then those organs start to fail, and they thought
that she might die in the hospital. I mean, that's
how sick she was. It's not like this was just
a mild thing. This has been going on for years.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
The weirdest part of this is that the dad called
nine one one reporting she was lethargic and weak. And
it's like, you went to all these great lengths to
cover up your abuse, not sending her to school, not
taking her to the doctor, and then you're calling nine
one one, and you think they're just going to show
up and not think you did anything wrong. It's funny
because we see we do see that in a lot
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of child abuse cases, that people abuse the kid for
years and years and then finally bring the kid to
the hospital. And I mean, like anybody that's listening right
now that works in the er will tell you that that.
A kid will come in and you're just like, they
do an x ray and they're like, no, this kid's
had multiple broken bones that have never been healed, and
like why now, Like what finally was like, Hey, this
(41:14):
kid is like about to die or something, you know, yeah,
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their products as bioengineered. Specifically, he said, quote, it's not
healthy now that I know what the fucks in it,
bioengineered meat. I don't want to eat a piece of
chicken that came from a three D printer.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Real nice, So, also insulting the people that have that,
like Campbell's, he said that he wouldn't even eat it, okay,
then said that people who eat it are poor. All
of this shit and I'm just like whoa, this is
really bad for them, which if any of this is true,
it's gonna be really really bad for them as far
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as the lab processed meat, because my like, I guess
I'm considered a really poor person because like Lillian's favorite
food is Campbell soup, like chicken noodle, Campbell soup.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
I mean so many children love I mean not even children,
so many people love Campbell soup. I love the creamy tomato.
It's delicious.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I think that it's possible that I mean the chicken. Well,
I was thinking from when I was a kid, I
always used to pick the pieces out because I thought
they were gross and there was definitely not lab grown
meat as a kid, but I as a consumer that
gives that to my child a few times a month,
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I want to know if my kid's eating lab grown
meat or not. I feel like we have a right
to know that.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Well, yeah, and I guess what's happening now is Florida's
Attorney General is opening this investigation because lab grown meat
is banned in Florida and in other parts of the
country it is allowed, but it has to be disclosed
that that's what's happening on the product, which is disgusting
the concept of lab grown meat is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, it really, it is disgusting. And they put out
a statement that says, quote the chicken, which I think
is labeled or worded very interesting with.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
The chicken meat.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
The chicken meat used in our soup comes from long
trusted USDA approved US suppliers, and meat are high quality standards.
All of our soups are made with no antibiotics ever
chicken meat, meaning we don't allow antibiotics to be added
to the feed water or any commercial vaccine used by
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our chicken suppliers. So to me, that doesn't say that
it's not lab grown meat.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, it's just it's it's wordsmithing.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Who who says, like, if you're talking to Purdue about chicken,
are they going to say all of our chicken meat
or they go to say like our chickens are fed,
Like they're not calling them chickens.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's saying chicken meat.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Say it's chicken meat. So, and it's saying USDA proved
and all. Well, it's like meat made in the lab
is approved FDA approved. So is like a bunch of
other shit that has turned out to be really terrible
for people so which is fine. If you think lab
grown meat is fine and you want to eat it,
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that's fine. You should just be told that that's what
you're eating. And like, I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
So the guy that made these remarks was the vice
president and chief information security Officer's name is Martin Bailey.
So apparently he was secretly recorded by this security analyst,
Robert Garza, who had a meeting with him, And now
that guy has filed a lawsuit claiming that he was
fired after raising concerns about these remarks this guy made,
including saying incredibly racist things also about the people that
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work for Campbell's. So this guy just seems like a
piece of shit. I mean, he's talking about how he
and even eat the ingredients in the soup of the
company he's basically in charge of. He's saying it's.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Only in dollars off of two.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, he's saying it's for poor people, which is just
like not true information. And then he's just being a
dickhead in general. So I kind of applaud this guy
for like recording him and releasing it. I think it
depends which state that this recording was done. I mean,
we know that Campbell's headquarters is very close to us
in Camden. But I don't know if this is where
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this went down, because I think in New Jersey you
are allowed to record somebody without them knowing about it,
but that's not the case in every state. So I
wonder if how do you know that? Don't ask me questions. Oh,
I feel like I actually learned that well researching an
article about like why are tapping somebody's phone? Because I
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don't think they're allowed to do it everywhere.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, you could see especially there's discrunts employees all
over the place at every single job you could think
of and listen, like I've been guilty of working at
certain hospitals and being like I wouldn't come to this place.
Place is going to kill you, right, And like I
would stand by that though if someone caught beyond recording,
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I'd be like, yeah, this is the reason why I
say that. But but like this person's an executive, they're not.
They're supposed to be the ones that are setting the
example and.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
As the power to actually change it and make it
a better product, and not just I just can't.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Imagine that this is true, because how would they keep
how would they keep something like that under wraps.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Like that, I mean, NDAs they have a bunch of money.
I really don't know. I would be surprised, but it's
disgusting and it also just makes me think about how
all this information is coming out about how bad processed
foods are and how seemingly more processed to be coming
over time, instead of trying to undo it and make
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them healthier for everyone.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
So this fake meat is it's derived from a sample
of cells from actual chickens, and then it's fed nutrients
and grown in a lab, so it technically is derived
from meat. So if you if you think about the
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DNA of it, it is meat, but it's not. It's
not just an animal that occurs in nature or naturally.
So I see why people question it, and I just
and and the way that they refer to it as
chicken meat. Like I guess the people that work at
the plant that put the meat into the soup cans,
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if they just get something that's labeled chicken meat, I
guess they might just assume that it's from a chicken.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Like listen, regular meat.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Excuse me out.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I don't want lab meat. I don't want it, and
you should have to put if that's what it.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Is, I've just never heard the word chicken meat. It's
it's just like the weirdest.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, exactly, And then I just picture.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
I'm getting these giant, like vacuum sealed bags filled with
those little cubes.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
It seems like the best people working at Campbell's is
the PR team, because they're good at wordsman, and clearly
they need to reevaluate the executives going on. The guy
has been temporarily suspended pending an investigation. I guess to
make sure these claims are accurate and see exactly what's
going on. But I I kind of even don't want
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to follow up. I just don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
I it. And it sucks because now I'm kind of like,
I don't. I don't want to buy that shit anymore.
I don't, And it's and it's a shame. It's a
shame because that company has been there forever and and
you know it was started obviously, like everything gets ruined.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
Right, But let's say the fake meat claim is found
to not be true, right, Like he just said something
totally false. But let's say they proved that it was
him in the recording saying all this stuff. The fact
that this guy is just full blood admitting like he
doesn't care about the quality of ingredients are putting in
the product and is purposely manufacturing it for quote poor
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people and everything. It really doesn't make me want it either,
because it's like, oh, you're just gonna put whatever shit
in there that you could legally put in there.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
I also just don't cost. I don't like any business saying,
especially something that's consumed or put on your skin or anything.
I don't like any person that's working for a business
that's like, I wouldn't put that shit in my body,
Like that's scary to me. Yeah, absolutely, like I wouldn't think.
I mean, like, listen, Campbell's soup is the ultimate like
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processed food, right. I was thinking like that, that makes
sense that the cans. You could probably have one from
the time I was a kid and it would probably
still taste okay.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
But think about working at McDonald's and then being like
this huge health It's like you need to somewhat stand
behind the company and product you're working for, because otherwise
you're just a massive hympocrite.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, I guess, I guess. The thing I mean that
happened when Super Sized Me and stuff came out that
you know, the chicken nuggets weren't really chicken. Remember they
showed you how they were getting making them. Yeah, but like,
I don't know, it's it's just interesting. It's just interesting
because it says it's chicken. And and now you're like,
is this gonna unravel this whole entire underground industry of
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like all of this chicken that's being used that we're
consuming that's not even real chicken. I can't just be
them because they're about you.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
But this McDonald's chat, I might go there, You're like,
look like that who went some fries?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, you're That's the thing with McDonald's. It's like even
I don't even know if that really did anything bad
to them, because I guess when you go to Chick
fil A, I feel like it's like, Okay, you assumed
that the chicken sandwich and the chicken nuggets are from
an actual piece of chicken. They kind of look like
you can make them at your house if you wanted
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to write. And then the ones that McDonald's are like,
they look like Santa boots, right, do you look like
when is there so and and they and they're deep
fried and they taste good, So there you go. But
I don't think that anybody was like, oh, this is
like if you had to pick one over the other
as far as healthy, you would say Chick fil A, Okay,
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well at least that's a grilled piece of chicken, or
it's a piece of bread and that's dipped in oil.
And like, nobody ever thought that McDonald's nuggets were like
healthy in any kind of a way. I mean, no,
it just seems to be like our fries taste different.
Everything tastes different. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
Campbell's is healthy at all, but like people should have
a right to know the ingredients coming into them and
if it's real meat versus lab grown exactly all right.
Staff at a temple in Thailand were shocked when they
received a woman in a coffin for cremation, and suddenly
they heard a knock from within and then they started
detecting some movement.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Okay, so what happened was this guy he had a
sister and he was taking care of her and she
was dying. So finally she became unresponsive and he decided
that he was going to PLoP her in a coffin
and bring her to the nearest hospital that was hundreds
of miles away and show up there because she wanted
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to be an organ donor and say like, hey, I'm
here and here's my dead sister and I want to
donate her organs. But the hospital was like, no, you
don't have a death certificate. We're not taking her. So
then he said, okay, well, I'm going to go get
her cremated, and then went to a crematory and they
said the same thing, where's the death certificate, and he said,
I don't have one. And as they were having that conversation,
(52:55):
they hear a little knock, knock, knock open the lid,
and sure enough, this lady is alive in the coffin.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I just don't understand how he's going to all these
great lengths to take her to the hospital and take
her to this temple that get cremated, and he doesn't
even take the steps to try to get a death
certificate issued or make sure she's actually did. She's just like, oh,
she's not responsive, she must be dead. I'm gonna throw
her to coffin and that's it.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
I am really happy with the fact of the documentation
that these different the hospital and the crematory are requiring,
because think about in some other countries that might not
be so squared away with the paperwork. They might be like, okay,
we'll take her and just and not even think twice
of it. Obviously, there's been a big story in the
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news this week about Oregon donation, so we'll talk about
that in a later episode this week. But it is
scary because what if the crematory said okay and just
kind of threw the coffin right into the flames, like no,
and this might have happened before, and that's just so scary.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
What's cool, though, is the temple said they're gonna pay
for all her medical expenses.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
That this really wasn't their problem.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
The guy, I mean, the guy might have not been
intentionally being a jerk or anything. He's just if he's
just a regular guy taking care of his dying sister.
Like he doesn't know how to pronounce someone dead. He
might have thought she was dead. He wasn't lying about it,
Like that's why there's checks in place, all right. Before
the questions and emails, we have two very important announcements. First,
(54:36):
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remember you had twenty four exclusive access to shop whatever
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You can only get in if you're a grocery member
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Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, and if you guys have any ideas too, for
any merch you would like to see. We tried to
cover all aspects of our the gross room and the podcast,
and we have some of our samples coming this week
and I'm really excited to start rocking them on this show.
But yeah, if you guys have any ideas of things,
we would love to hear them.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
The second announcement is that I am with child. I
was saying that phrase. I think it's so funny, so
I went through you.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Know, what's funny. I there's there's one that, like they
say in other countries, like I fell pregnant.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Oh yeah, I fell pregnant. Oh man, I should have
said that, it would have been funnier. But I went
through IVF. So yesterday in the Grocerroom, I wrote our
dissection all about IVF how it works, and I tried
to put parts of my experience throughout it because it
is so different for every single person. But I thought
you guys would enjoy that. I put some pictures in
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for my surgery and everything like that, So there are
some gross pictures in there and hopefully a little heartwarming
ending that you guys can all read about. But yeah,
I am pregnant right now. I'm very excited with it.
I am having a boy. And it's been really, really
hard not to talk about it. Who we've talked about
pregnancy or IVF for related stories, because I've been going
(56:28):
through the process for about a year and it was
very difficult to keep my mouth shut during all that.
So happy I could finally talk about it.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
I mean, how many people are listeners of this show
who aren't on social media and aren't members of the
grocer room, Like we've said it. Yeah, well, you told
the grocery members last week.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
I told the YouTube live people first on Friday because
those are the real ones, so I knew. I knew
they'd be excited. And Emma said she knew because my
skin's been glowing, which.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Oh my god, it is true that your skins looked
a lot better. Since then, my skin is the nicest's
ever been, except I have a big eggs of a
patch in my armpit right now.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
Not that everybody needs to know that.
Speaker 1 (57:10):
Thanks for that. Thanks, I'm just keeping it real.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
I mean, this is not all that glamorous, but yeah,
So I did that, and then I wanted to write
about my experience with IVF because I mean, my year
sucked medically and it was a lot to go through
and process and it was kind of crazy, and I
talked about on the YouTube live but you were giving
me shots in my butt while we were at Crime
God in the car at churls Uh Wildlife CSI, and
(57:36):
how funny that was.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
That was funny because we left when we were at
the CSI event with Cheryl, we were walking out and
I like, Maria's like bent over in the front seat
and I'm sticking a needle in her ass, and I'm
just like, oh my god, like I hope nobody actually
walks out. And it was pitch dark out there. No,
it was Abias Wildlife Center, So.
Speaker 2 (57:58):
You gotta do. It's not my choice to have to
do all those shots.
Speaker 1 (58:03):
It was. It was real fun too, because you know,
when we were at crime Con we were in Denver.
That was a two hour difference, and Maria's on some schedule,
so it was like, oh, we have to get up
at four in the morning and do these shots.
Speaker 2 (58:16):
That was, Oh my god, that was really hard. I mean, listen,
I guess I did give you the shots better than Ricky, though,
Oh my god, Ricky just go. He did a really
good job. I think after I.
Speaker 1 (58:29):
Was saying that because she has to no.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I think after I was done all my shots, I
calculated I had to do like eighty eight of those
intramuscular shots or something, almost a hundred of those. It
was insane. But you put it in really fast, like
a dart, so like you don't really feel like he's
not used to doing it, so he's putting it in
so slow, and I'm like, dude, this hurts so much.
Just stab me with it. I don't want to say
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my needlephobia is one hundred percent resolved, but that definitely
was good exposure therapy for me this year because I
had to do a lot.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
I've been telling you your whole life that once once
you got pregnant, you would get over your needle thing
because you have to get stuck so many times for
different things, and then you had to do so much
extra than any person in the world typically has to.
Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well, not only do you have to do I mean
you have to do a million shots for the egg retrieval,
and then for the egg retrieval, you have to get
your blood taken basically every single day for two weeks,
which is terrible. And then when you go into the transfer,
it's like you have to do a whole different set
of shots, and then you have to get your blood
taken all the time, and then you have to get
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more blood taken when you're pregnant. So I guess it
was good at warming me up to it, because it
at the beginning of this year, I couldn't even go
in the in the room at the fertility clinic and
have my blood taken by myself, and now I can't.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
Oh my god, you have to tell them what Cheryl said.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
Oh wait, I should just read it for me. I
had a whole funny conversation with her last night. Hold on,
so wait, first this quote. She said, you know us
Southerners and Italians are very similar. Big families, always food,
will cut a mother. But then she said, so I
(01:00:21):
am unfortunately due the day of crime con so we
will not be going next year, or at least I
will not be going. And she said, ay, I should
have a baby shower there, which was like, I can't
do because I can't even go. And then she said, no,
I should just go and our session should be me
giving birth live what stage and you narrate this lady
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is out of her mind.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
That would be amazing. I'd love to do that. That
would have been fun. Oh my god, she is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah yeah, but we're excited. How do you feel about
being a grandma.
Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I'm excited because like I could give the kid back.
That's like the biggest thing that you know. I really
I love babies and stuff, but just having two back
to back like that for me was enough to say
that I was done because it's just too much. But
if I only have to play with a kid for
a little while and give it back then. I'm super
excited about that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
That's how I felt with the girls. I was like,
this is awesome. I get to be like their cool,
big older sister, even though they think I'm a boomer.
Hand them back. But yeah, if you guys are interested
in the process of IVA for anything, I wrote a
gigantic four thousand word right up on the website. It
took me a very long time to write, so you
can head over there and read that. And I'm excited
(01:01:39):
and now I could openly talk about it because it's
been very hard as a blabbermouth to keep my mouth
That's what That's what Kara.
Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Texted me today and was like, God, that must have
been really hard for you to keep your mouth shut.
And I'm like it was. But at the same time,
like I feel like it was Maria's news to tell.
So I mean, I told a couple of my friends
that Maria wouldn't see.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, I don't hire at scene for a couple.
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Of years or something like that. But other than that,
like I already got to tell everyone that I was
pregnant when I was so like, it's your turn now, Yeah, And.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I wanted to, you know, I mean a lot of
like my close friends and immediate family knew I was
going through IVF. So I feel like everybody knew pretty
early when I had that. Everybody knew basically right away
when I was pregnant weeks and weeks and weeks ago. Yeah,
which I was fine with because at that time, I
was like everybody that I've told, I would also be
comfortable telling if I had a problem, right, Yeah, So
(01:02:37):
it's like I just want to I mean I even
probably could have sat on here like last week or
two weeks ago, right, but I still was like, I
want to wait till my ultrasound and they check his
neck and all that test and everything. So yeah, I mean,
I just wanted to roll it out in this specific
way because I was like, still even in the grosser room,
it's like, you guys are the best community ever and
(01:02:57):
you understand more than anybody anything. But yeah, I'm really
happy to share the news and we can move on now.
So all right, onto your questions and emails. So if
you guys have questions or stories for us, you could
always email those to stories at mothernosdeath dot com. Remember,
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you want to remain anonymous, and we will keep it
that way because we don't want to piss anybody off.
First question, this next one, one of these that you
had written down might be a little bit once a
little scandalous.
Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
It's a little scandalous.
Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I'm excited. I want more scandalous of messages from you guys.
Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, we want all the stories. So this first question
we have. I think we answered this in a way
before on a previous episode, but it's always a good
refresher because we're talking about autopsies so much. So this
person's asking start to finish, how long does an autopsy take?
Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
It just it really just depends on what you're looking for.
I mean, it could be as quick as a half hour,
and it could be as long as hours. It just
depends on It just depends. So usually, like when I
rotated at the Children's hospital, doing an autopsy on a
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fetus or a baby was like an all day thing.
Start in the morning, take a million pictures, just go through,
you know, because you're trying to look for congenital anomalies too,
which could just sometimes take longer, especial on really little anatomy,
so we would do the autopsy for a couple hours
in the morning and then cover up the body and
go to lunch and then come back and finish it.
(01:04:35):
So that wouldn't be abnormal in a situation like that.
And for adults, it just depends. If they're doing it
at the medical examiner's office, they're going to be a
little bit quicker because they're really just trying to determine
the manner of cause of death, whereas sometimes in the hospital,
like in a teaching setting, we might take some more
time because we're also trying to teach medical students and
(01:04:58):
pathology residents at the same time, so we're a little
bit more thorough and we examine organs that you might
not normally look at in a regular autopsy. Like let's say,
for example, in a medical examiner's office, if there was
a person who maybe you know, got shot in the
(01:05:20):
chest and they opened them up and they could see
that that was clearly their cause of death, they probably
wouldn't take out the man's testicles and examine them, like
it's just not necessary, it has nothing to do with
why the person died. But like in the hospital setting,
especially a teaching hospital. We take out everything and look
at it most of the time just for educational purposes.
(01:05:42):
So obviously doing extra dissections and taking you know, will
take out the bow and we'll examine, you know, the
bowel contents and this and that, and like sometimes in
certain medical examiner situations, if they have a lot of autopsies,
are not going to take all that time to do it,
so it could be quick. We you know, I know
(01:06:02):
a medical examiner that has said he's very proud that
he could do one start to finish in a half hour.
Uh and and others, like I said, six seven hours brutal.
I'm more of a fan of a quicker one.
Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
But all right, this submission they just signed their email
letter K, So just listen to your episode with the
viral news story of the dog that jumped on the
bed and shot the owner, I have insider info in
ways I can't specify, but the dog was just a scapegoat.
In that story, the owner was cleaning the gun and
it was not assembled, meaning there's no way a dog
(01:06:38):
could have accidentally set it off. There was another person
in the house with the eyes of Moji. Regardless, the
man is in shape gnarly shape. But expected to be okay.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
That is that is scandalous.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
See, we want more submissions like this. Yes, we like
the insider scoop on these stories we cover because sometimes
the news just is really vague and we don't get anything.
All right, last, it's from Chelsea. November nineteenth was my daughter,
Kelly Keith's tenth birthday, and she and I love your show.
I've been following since before Nicole got her Mommy makeover.
(01:07:14):
I thought Nicole was so cool and all her tattoos
and with an education just like me, I was just
a young mother. My son is now sixteen. I'm a
nurse and I beat human anatomy, biology, and medicine into
my daughter's brains and she could talk. It's to the
point where we will watch a show and medically traumatic
event will happen and she will say, oh my god,
that's so fake. Follow that, follow by educating the entire
(01:07:37):
family on how it would realistically happen. Anyway, She and
I love your show, and every time we get in
the car, we look at each other and say, mother
knows death. Then she proceeds to sing the intro starring
Nicole and Jemmy and Maria Q Kane. I'm so thankful
to her and I have your show to bond over.
Oh that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Happy birthday, Yes, happy birthday. That's so cute. We love here. Yeah,
we love to hear it because Maria and I certainly
have things like dot that we share as well, So
it is cool to have something like that with your
mom for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
We also hope we're not traumatizing her young de story.
Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
I know, right, it's like some of the stuff I
forget that there's younger people listening, so I don't know,
just maybe listen in the beginning of things that we're
going because we do talk about in the beginning of
the episode everything we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Yeah, but it's super cool. Thank you for writing that in.
Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
It was super nice. That was super nice.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
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