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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the weird series of events that
happened after our ex NFL star Mark Sanchez was stabbed.
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Diddy was finally sentenced, so we'll get into that, a
little bit, a freak accident involving a skydiving instructor and
his student, an interesting study done to see if a
fetus reacts to cigarette smoking, a popular drug that was
used for morning sickness that is now linked to colorectal cancer,
and the benefits of marrying your first cousin IW We'll
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finish up this episode with your questions.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
All that and more.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
On today's episode, let's get started with this Mark Sanchez story.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's so weird. It is weird, and the way that
media was presenting it at first was he was just
innocently walking down the street and got stabbed, and that
is not at all what happened. So I guess let's
start from the beginning. Over the weekend. I guess on Friday,
he was seen around downtown Indianapolis. So he is a
former NFL quarterback but now he's a sports analyst. So
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by the reports I've been seeing, he was in town
to cover the Raiders Colts game, so that's why he
was there. So people in the bar he was saying
that he was acting erratically and that he ended up
in this alley behind the bar doing sprints. So then
while he's doing sprints behind the bar, this man driving
a grease truck pulled into the alley to do this
(01:45):
pickup at a hotel, and it basically ignited this weird
altercation where Mark Sanchez went up to the driver and
was trying to get him to move the car. But
I guess the guy had hearing aids and he didn't
wear them when he was driving because the noise was
too loud in the try, so he didn't hear him
at first, and then it escalated into Mark basically beating
(02:05):
the shit out of this guy until the guy finally
had to stab him to get him off of him,
and he pepper sprayed him too, because he was like,
I think he's trying to kill me. Wow, it's a lot,
a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So it's so he was staying at that hotel and
like he's up and just drunk and somehow ends up
doing sprints in the alley, Like what, that's what most
people want to do with their drunk, Like, let me
go do a workout right now.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And I guess this guy was in the way of
his sprints. Is that that's happened, or that's what it
sounds like to me, is that he was. You know,
many witnesses had said that his breath smelled like alcohol,
really bad, and he was luring his words. So I'm
going to go on the assumption he was out of
his mind drunk at the bar.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Was he with anyone, because it's just if you're at
a hotel by yourself and you go down and you
have a drink or two or ten, it's just weird
that other people would notice you acting erratically if you
weren't really having conversations with people there.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Assuming that he was not necessarily because I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, yeah, I mean, if you're if you're complete. But
I'm just trying to figure out like how drunk he
really was or if there was. I also have a
theory that there could be other substances involved too that
would cause that kind of rage like that, or.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Could it be a combination of potential CTE mixed with
excessive alcohol use. I mean, it could be anything. I
always copeing that. Also, it's important to note that he's
thirty eight years old and the driver was sixty nine
years old. Like, how is this seventy year old man
supposed to go up against a professionally trained quarterback in
a fight? Seriously?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, and listen, like, there's there's photos of this sixty
nine year old man circulating online and on social media
and in the news reports as well, and he did.
He does look like he got an ass whoop in
In fact, he has a large wound across his face
that is almost from his ear to his across his
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cheek to hit the corner of his lip.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's huge.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's I would say that it's probably a good ten
centimeters or four inches long wound. And I was trying
to zoom in on it to see if I could
tell if it was from blunt trauma or sharp trauma.
And I personally think that even if that guy super
strong and stuff and punched him in the face like that,
(04:35):
that his cheek wouldn't split open that big because it
looks just really deep. So I think that there's a
possibility that while he was trying to stab Mark. He
just got cut with the knife by accident during that time.
It looks like it's pretty a little jagged and rough,
but that could just be due to having a knife
(04:57):
that's not that u or just having an irregular stab wound,
or because it almost looks like a slice it's that deep.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, the news is using your favorite word elaceration to
but then also using the word to cut. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, if I had to make a guess, I
would say it was made by something sharp, unless he
was hit with something else that could have split. I
just don't think that it would split like that no
matter what he was hit with. So I'm going with
the knife made the cut somehow. But it's a big
gash across his face that may require surgery. I don't
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know if he has any underlying broken bones or anything
like that, but definitely multiple sutures to fix it increase
wrestlume infection, especially because he's older. And that doesn't even
I mean, he's got blood all over his body. He
just looks like he got beat up. And I guess
that's the most unusual part of this story because I
feel like it came out pretty fast. What happened that
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police went into the hospel and arrested him while he
was fighting for his life.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean this happened just after midnight Saturday morning.
And then by Saturday Mark Sanchez is getting surgery for
the stab wounds. This other guy's in the hospital too,
and then I believe he got charged either that night
or the next morning. And they have all these security
cameras back there. Did you see that video of him
walking around after Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean that's that's how they're able to prove
I mean this I was thinking about that. You pull
up behind a hotel. This guy's telling this story. I
bet you the whole entire thing is on film, oh
all of it. And the thing that really pissed me
off about this story is that on I don't know
about the schedule, but they played football on Fridays correctly,
(06:43):
or on Sundays. So that was They're like, that would
have been his job. He would have been at the
game on Sunday announcing the game. Yes, okay, So his
co worker people whoever they are, I don't know who
he announces with, were like, we just want to put
out we just want to say that we're looking out
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for Mark Sanchez and we hope he has a quick
recovery in the hospital and all people involved.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And I'm like, what the fuck fuck that dude? Right, Well,
maybe the only benefit of the doubt I want to
give them is they didn't know what happened. And it's
because when I was seeing.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Their reports, if I knew what happened, then they should
have known what happened. If they, I mean, come on,
like the people that were but when at work don't
get news even faster.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But when did they put that out today? Because most
got out yesterday. Now I knew about it yesterday too.
I knew about it first thing yesterday morning. Yeah, but
if you're saying they put it out on Sunday, they
might not have known by the time the broadcast happened
on Sunday. Possibly, And the way I feel like I'm
trying it was that he just got randomly attacked. Yeah no,
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and that is not at all what happened.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I feel like they knew because why would they say
and all people involved.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's it's bizarre.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I mean it's because listen, like, if you were randomly
walking up the street and got stabbed, who else would
be involved? That I care about the person that stabbed you. No,
like it's they knew it just was like, I just
think it wasn't. I feel like, honestly, they should have
just not said anything.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They shouldn't have, but at the same time, they were
going to and it does seem irresponsible at this point
in time, with the information we know that he just
like seemingly assaulted an innocent man trying to work and
he was drunk out of his mind or whatever was
going on and just couldn't handle himself. And did he
have a history of acting out like this or was
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this a one off situation. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I just think it's weird that people have They just
he's had so many amazing opportunities. He was on a
professional football team, which so many people would kill for, right, Like,
it's just such a great opportunity, and then he gets
this job after he was done, and you're just like,
(08:57):
how are you that dumb that you're just screwing.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
All that up? Like he's gonna lose his job.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I hope, you know what, I don't even know what's
happening in twenty twenty five, because there's a possibility that
someone that was drunk and tried to kill somebody will
have a TV show still and everybody will be okay
with it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But in theory he should lose his job. I would
say he's likely going to get fired because I've never
heard that he's this like incredible sports announcer that's irreplaceable.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And he wasn't like he wasn't like a super great
player either, right, I mean, I'm sure they're all great
to a certain extent if they're professional football players, but
he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like, listen, I'm not even gonna try to name a
football player right now.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The one that was cute that got all the botox recently,
what's his name, Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Like he is not cute. He was he was before
he got the weird handsome squid word.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I don't want to listen. I I'm like anti men
getting their faces done. I just don't like the way
it looks at all. But he was cute before he
had that done, and now he you know, Like it's
the same with John Stamos, Like I'd rather look at
old John Stamos instead of like weird plastic surgery John Stamos,
because my eye catches it so quickly and it's just
(10:12):
kind of a turn off to me totally.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean, all I know about this guy and I
could be totally wrong because I don't know anything about sports. Really,
It's just like he was this big deal because he
was coming to the Jets and was gonna save them,
and all I know is the Jets still sucks. So like,
I don't know if he did anything, I don't know
what his deal is. This is one hundred percent unacceptable.
Of course, I'm looking at the charges right, and it's
(10:34):
He's initially charged with battery with injury, public intoxication, and
unlawful entry of a vehicle. Bond was three hundred dollars.
That is ridiculous, and those were misdemeanors at first, but
now the charges have been up to level five fel
any battery of causing serious injury and the guy is
suing him. Good.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, the guy didn't obviously the guy didn't even know
who he was. But like, honestly, if something like this
is gonna happen to you, at least have it be
a multi millionaire that could like make it go away
a little bit faster.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, he should be less focused on going back
to work and maybe go to rehab because he clearly
has a problem. And that's also why I brought up
the brain injury thing, because people don't just act like
this and not all black I'm drunk people act like that, no,
And that's that's why I was asking you about that,
because I'm like, if an average person gets too drunk,
(11:26):
they don't get every it doesn't automatically cause violence. But
then when it's mixed with other substances or like you said,
a traumatic brain injury, which is likely, I mean, like
it's just the more and more that's coming out. Unless
you could somehow skate through your career and not hit
your head as a football player, I don't know. I mean,
(11:48):
it's totally a possibility. And then and then you start
to have another conversation like, Okay, he's not like maybe
he's not a drunk scumbag, Maybe he's legitimately like yeah,
basis he's yeah, like, he's having a legitimate brain pathology
that needs to be addressed. So we'll report if we
hear anything else. Of course, we're not going to know
(12:08):
if he has CTE until he dies to do his
autopsy and look at the brain, So we'll just have
to assume that he's a douche for now, Well, I
am just wondering if he has a history of behavior
like this, and if it was shocking and I'm just
able to keep it under it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
People people don't just like pull an old man out
of a truck and start punching them, Okay, So well, exactly,
there's more to the story, for sure. I worked at
a bar for about ten years, and I've seen plenty
of very drunk people in my time, and very seldom
did it go to violent behavior like that. So I
just think something else was definitely contributing, all right, did
(12:44):
He was in court on Friday for sentencing after he
was found guilty of two counts of transportation to engage
in prostitution. The prosecution recommended that he'd be sentenced to
eleven years for the charges, but the judge only sentenced
him to four years and two months, and the time
he has served so far will count towards that sentence.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
What'd you think about the sentence. I don't know, Like
I was surprised they gave him any time at all,
But at the same time, it's not enough and he
didn't get the bigger charges. I just I don't really
know what I feel about it. Honestly, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's it's really hard to say because I think that
what they charged him with is not like we're looking
at especially I guess for me anyway, when I think
about Diddy, one of the biggest things I think about
is him beating up Cassie in that video, right, and
that video really has nothing to do with any of
(13:41):
the charges that he was found guilty of.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I think the problem here, especially after talking to Lauren
and looking at the case outside of the headlines a
little bit, I just don't think they had a very
strong like, the state did not have a very strong
case against him, and it got botched. Yeah, I agree
with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think that it was like, I think most people
will agree that he's a terrible person, but they weren't
able to charge him with things that really would have
gotten him in trouble for a long time. And the
things that they tried to he didn't get. He didn't
(14:24):
get in trouble with. But it was kind of a stretch.
It's like it was just kind of a stretch to
you know, you know that I'm writing my celebrity death book.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right, now right, And I was writing, I think you've
announced that on the show.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, I am, guess guess what you Celebrity Death book
coming soon, not really soon, it's coming when twenty twenty seven,
but I'm working on it and it's gonna be awesome.
So I was writing about al Capone yesterday and how
like that guy if you think about him, like biggest
mobster of all time and just all of the murders
and the racketeering, this and that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Like he got charged with tax eVision.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
That's how they got him because they were just like,
we're just going to get him for whatever we could
get him for. And when you look at that, you're
just like, who cares about tax evasion? This guy was
like running a criminal crime family, right, just it's just
like there, it's kind of this modern day thing with Diddy,
like let's just see what we could get him for
(15:20):
kind of and to an extent, they were successful because,
as you were, I'm shocked he got any time because
of like countless examples. O. J. Simpson, this isn't right,
so to think, and I think he's shocked he got
any time.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Well, yeah, based on the courtroom sketches and then based
on what I mean, he went on this whole play.
I know I've hurt people, Never do it again. I
don't think abusers just stop when they get a slap
on the wrist. And I'm gonna consider this sentence a
slap on the wrist. You beat this shit out of
an innocent woman. But think about this, but that, yes
he did, but that this wasn't about him. That is
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not what the charges were brought against him at all.
That was just like side evidence. So now the defense
team is going to appeal this sentence, and honestly, I
think that they might have a chance of getting out
of it. And let me tell you why.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Because a lot of the stuff that the judge was
saying about him as to why he's deciding to put
him in jail for this long is things that weren't
that he was found not guilty for, right, okay, So
so that really can't be used in the sentencing because
that's not what they found him guilty for. Like he
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should have been sentencing based on the guilty please, and
that's it. So like they might be able to go
back and say, oh, he's bringing up the girl friend
and the this and the that, and it's like he
wasn't charged with any of that stuff if you want
to look at it on paper, and they have really
good lawyers, so that's totally possibility. But this dude, you
(17:04):
know that Diddy had things planned for like next week
events to show up to oh because he was that common,
because he was that confident that he had served his
time and was getting out.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, so just to tell him, how many years
did he get? Total four? He got four years in
two months. But he's been in jail since last September.
So his defense team had recommended a fourteen month sentencing.
So basically, if he had been given the fourteen month sentence,
he would have been eligible to get out now because
(17:38):
that was the time served already, right, But I don't know.
I've been hearing other experts talk about they weren't surprised
by the time given, and they think he's gonna get
out probably by next year. If let's say the appeal
is unsuccessful and he does have to serve the four
he'll have good behavior everything like that. He's not going
(17:59):
the whole time. There's no way you want to hear
something so funny. He has been complaining about the conditions
that he's living in and how his food is cold
and he doesn't have a warm bed, and this and.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That and and they tried to use that to say, well,
he shouldn't have to serve maybe as much time because
he's been living under like extra strenuous circumstances.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well so is every other prisoner. And if you're so
bothered by it, take your money for prison reform. I
don't know what you expect.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And this is the thing too, It's like, of course
this is terrible for him, because this is a guy
that probably before he shows up at a hotel like
requests a Mariah Carey treatment of like ten dozen white
roses in the room, and and you know, certain thread
count of sheets, and he's got the amount of money
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that like, think about this, if you and I were
were like ditty money and we were traveling, I would
be like, I need my room to be set up
with an electric blanket everywhere I go, and just like
things that make me very comfortable, right, I want to
have all the stuff that makes me super comfortable. So
when you have that level of like getting all of
(19:21):
that stuff, would you would I, let's say, for when
I just went to crime con would I be eating
Rice Chrispy treats for dinner.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So, like he's used to having, you didn't have to
be eating, but they were. Listen, the gay Lord hotels
have the best Rice Krispy treats. Anyone that's been there
will say that. But but seriously, like he's just used to,
he could probably go to la and have his people
call his favorite restaurant and make sure that that food
(19:51):
is in the hotel room when he gets there, like
just another level of catering.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh fucking well, don't do weird shit, I know, but
I'm just saying, like that's. Of course, this is a
culture shock to him, because jail isn't supposed to be comfortable.
It's supposed to make you regret the bad decisions you made.
And if he really cares that much about it, he
should try to invest money into the prison system and
make it more comfortable for other prisoners.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, he has a lot of time to think about
this now, so he will get out. And like, listen,
I I'm defending him at all because I think that
he should be in jail just because I think he's
a terrible person. But he went through a jury and
they didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They said he was not guilty of a lot of
the things that would have put him in jail longer.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But I think a large part of that is because
the case was weak against him, Like, yeah, I think
if they had a good case, he probably would have
been charged.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
He's also didty, Like I just think it's I think
it's really hard to get a fair and impartial jury
when there's someone of that stature, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, and I mean an important party Hot pop knows
who did he is? Like everybody knows who he is.
He's like a super super celebrity. An important part I
thought Lauren brought up too, was like there's no court
there's no cameras in this courtroom, so we're relying on
people's reporting being in the room, and a lot of
it was exaggerated. Yeah, and that the drawings are neat
(21:27):
The drawings are pretty good. But I was wondering if
that guy we met at crime Con last year did them,
But I think another person did. Okay, let's get on
with what's our next story. So over the weekend, the
skydiving instructor and a student were doing a tandem jump,
and I guess at some point they got separated and
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the instructor wasn't wearing his own parachute, so he plummeted
to his death, and then the student ended up getting
trapped in a tree survived, but that was a miracle
in and of itself. Yeah. I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Much about sky diving except I would never ever, ever
do it in a million years.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I really think that people.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Are really courageous that do it, because it probably feels
really cool when it's successful. But the fear of this
particular case, for example, So I guess what happened is
the guy was harnessed to the other guy when they
jumped out, and the part of the harness got caught
on the edge of the plane and like ripped off him,
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and he essentially plummeted eleven thousand feet to the ground.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
He would he even be intact when they found.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
No, absolutely, not like he would be. I just I
don't even want to think about it. I have a
post in the gross room about a person that fell
out of the landing gear of a plane that was
a stowaway and fell from that high up, and it
just it just looks terrible. It's definitely not intact, even
(22:57):
a little bit and the but which that's disturbing. I
think the really crazy part of this story is that
the other dude survived.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, and he was suspended in a tree for hours
before they were able to get him out, which must
have been harrif. I mean, I'm thinking of this guy
falling to his death. You would hope at some point
mid air they just pass out or something, because otherwise,
don't you feel it? That could take up to a
couple minutes for you to fully fall that far down,
so you're aware you're about to die.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
That law, I don't. I don't even want to think
about it. It's just it makes me feel gross to
even think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Just the height.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The height thing is so scary. And yeah, I mean,
I mean one sense, you could be like the guy
died loving, like doing what he loved to do. That
was another story that we caught this week because we
just didn't have enough time about a person that was
rock climbing. You remember that that documentary Free Solo with
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that crazy dude who was like climbing these mountains without.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Oh, that was the guy that died.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, it was just a guy doing doing that particular
mountain that he climbed in that documentary. So it's just
like there's something to be said. I guess, if you're
going to die anyway, die doing something that you love
to do. But in this particular case, it's you know,
so so this guy. So there's a picture, And I
(24:22):
asked Gabe this morning because the picture in the article
is a guy in a parachute at the top of
what appears to be pretty high trees and then fireman
with a ladder up trying to get him down. So
number one, that guy was in the tree hanging there
for god knows how long, but they said it was hours, right,
(24:43):
And I asked Gabe and he said that it could
be just based upon the ladders because it's not a
fire truck like an aerial device ladder. It's just the
ones that they would have on their trucks to put up.
He said that it's anywhere from like forty five to
sixty feet up the air.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Geez.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So just imagine hanging there upside down and no one
coming Like that would be my fear, Like what if
no one finds me and I'm just here until I die?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh totally, I mean I don't know this the whole
concept of skydiving freaks me out so bad, especially when
you hear these horrific stories of how it went wrong.
That's how I feel about hot air balloons too, Like
I would. I really think they're the coolest things ever
and I want to be in one, but like I
just could never do it. No, I mean especially I
feel like there's been a lot more accidents than normal.
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So maybe like, if I live to be ninety nine,
you could just send me up there by myself, because like,
if I fall, what's the difference. That's a good attitude
to have. I guess.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
This episode is brought to you by the Grosser Room guys.
So this week in the gross for our high profile dissection,
we did something a little bit different and fun this week.
So in October we tend to talk a little bit more.
We celebrate Halloween, I guess you would say with these
death disseections. Last year we did a couple fun ones
(26:15):
on Sleepy Hollow and seven Right. Yes, So the two
that we did that was really fun, just going through
the movies and saying what was plausible and what was not.
And so we started off this October with one on Halloween.
So we talked a little bit about the history of Halloween,
but more importantly how it has evolved from what it
(26:37):
was to what it is now, which is, in my opinion,
a celebration of crimes. Right, Yeah, it's specifically murder, but
also we go into all the different ways of it
celebrates sexual assault with some of these costumes that we've seen,
so it's really interesting, and the decorations too, of course,
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Speaker 2 (27:04):
Head over to the gross room dot com now to
sign up. All right, A new study has come out
showing how fetuses react differently with smoking mothers versus those
who don't smoke.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So this study was published in Acta pediatrica and found
that a fetus of a smoking mother touched their face
and mouth more often than a fetus of a non
smoking mom. So that's really interesting actually, and it's it's
such a small study, so they're gonna have to do
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a larger study. But I guess research so far has
shown that if a fetus is in utero and they
touch there, they have more movements. It means that they're
in a more stress The mother is usually more stressful
so it's a more stressful environment and that has been
known to cause issues down the line that you might
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not see right away. So I guess that's why this
research is really important. So what happened is in this
particular study, like I said, it was small, and they
looked at the fetuses of both moms who smoked during
pregnancy and moms who didn't smoke, and they monitored it
with four D ultrasound, which is super high depth, so
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they're able to see what was going on as well.
And they did four different scans between twenty four and
thirty six weeks pregnant, and they found that there was
a fifty eight percent increase in mouth movement of these
babies and a sixty nine percent increase in self touch
where they were touching their face or their head. And
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so these babies were all born and they were all healthy,
normal weights and everything like that. But this researcher would
like to follow them further on because their research suggests
that if a fetus, as the fetus gets older and
their brains developing more, they should be moving less but
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have more complex movements just with their brain becoming mature.
And in this case, they're saying that these babies that
are born to a mom that is a smoker, it
might possibly be affecting their neuro development basically, So maybe
down the line they might show to have cognitive issues
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or just not meeting milestones the same as other children
that are born to non smoking mothers. So we already
know that smoking during pregnancy is terrible anyway, but this
might just be another thing to kind of add to
the list. Yeah, I was gonna ask that because I
saw this article said all infants in the study were
born at a healthy weight and size with no obvious
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health issues at that time. So this is something that
would present later on, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's smoking is just a.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Weird thing because like right now, it's honestly, like now,
in twenty twenty five, it's so bizarre to think of
a person smoking during pregnancy because it's just.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, I can't believe they got four people to willingly
join the study because I feel like people definitely do it,
but it's kind of a hidden thing. Yeah, people do it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's but I mean again, another thing that I was
writing about is smoking addiction in the new book coming out,
and it's an addiction, so.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
People still do it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
People really like I'm just saying now compared to Gabe's
mom smoked when she was pregnant, Nanny smoked when she
was pregnant with all them.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Like this was Norman, It's wrong with me. This was
normal exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But I'm just saying, like, now that we know all
of this stuff, this is just another thing to add
on to it. And sometimes like I think that Nanny
told me when Aunt Tina was born. I think that
she was born very very small, and her placenta she said, yeah,
her placenta was like white, and I was like, well, that's.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Bad, right, So does that mean though?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It just means that because when the placenta is kind
of the lifeline between the mom and the fetus, and
when it's white, it means that it's infarcted or dead,
so that blood flow going back and forth between the
mom and the fetus is interrupted in some kind of
a way. And sometimes rarely, I mean in pathology, we
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see little areas that are white sometimes and it and
but to see one that has a lot of they're
called infarcs within the within the placenta is not common.
I've only seen a couple and it's it usually is
compatible with death, so so not for the mother, for
the for the fetus. So she even I I just
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remember because when I got into pathology and stuff, my
grandmam was like, yeah, they said they wanted to keep
it and put it in a jar because it was
so weird.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
And I was just like, why can't I have that?
You should have taken it home.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But but yeah, so like for the I just am
making the point that millions of women used to smoke
being pregnant and some of the some of the babies
were born and had problems, but most of them weren't.
And in this case you could see, like they say
all the time, if you smoke during pregnancy, you have
an increased risk of still birth, a miscarriage, low birth weight.
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Well this kind of proves against that, right because that
didn't happen in this case, So you know, it's it's
but it happens with some So that's why you that's
why you say that, just so because you don't know
which person and which fetus is going to have the problem.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well let's jump off that point to talk about this
other study coming from University of Texas Health Science Center, Houston.
So they are linking a popular drug taking during pregnancy
decades ago in colorectal cancer. Yeah, so this is called benedictine,
that's what it looks like. It's called an anti spasmodic diclocyclomine,
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and this is was supposed to be used for a
morning sickness. One thing that I didn't I guess I
didn't really realize until I read about this study was
that UCLA recently has confirmed that morning sickness is a
healthy immune response that prevents the body from rejecting the
baby during pregnancy. Not to say that everyone has to
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have that, because I didn't have morning sickness at all,
and my mom didn't either, Like some people just don't
get it. But all that is is an immune response,
Whereas in the past it used to be thought as
a mental illness shocker, so they used to just think
it was in the woman's head or it just was like, oh,
you're pregnant, so you just think you're feeling this way,
but you really don't feel this way. And I'm laughing
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because it's so typical that like women, just as always,
they're just so blown off about everything. That's another I'm
hitting a lot of good points in the book. That's
another point that I wrote about this weekend to was
just how women get blown off and in this case
died from it. The one that I was writing about.
I'm not going to give away all the answer.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But yeah, so I don't I don't know, you know,
think about this like when momm was because this was
like during the time now, when momm was pregnant with
me in the seventies, like going to your doctor and
let's say she was like I had morning sickness, and
they gave her this medication which is still used today,
I believe, but it's it's it's to relieve bowels. I
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think if you have a lot of like inflammatory bowel
disease or irritable bowel syndrome. It's used to kind of
you know, when you have that feeling you're bloated. It
causes you to not have muscle spasms in your bowl.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So wait, So it was given to pregnant women like
between the fifties and the eighties and could potentially cause
colorectal cancer, but now it is used as treatment for well,
same system.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
No, so it was given to women who had mourning
sickness and they believe whatever mechanism works on the GI
track is also working on the mechanism of the GI
track in the fetus when the mom's pregnant while she's
taking this medication.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Okay, so that's where.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
They think it's targeting, is the GI track of the fetus,
which is coming to find out that adults that were
born to mothers that took this are now getting colon
cancer later in life more frequently. So it's interesting because
this medication was initially approved in nineteen fifty six, and
they said by the mid seventies as many as twenty
five percent of pregnant women were taking it, and then
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it was voluntarily discontinued in nineteen eighty three after it
became a huge thing of lawsuit is causing birth defects.
I have to talk to mo mom about this because
I swear I got I got a pill one time
when I was having like one of these ballots of
like GI issues. I swear this is one of the
drugs that the doctor gave me because they said to
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take it if you felt bloated, and it would make
you not feel bloated anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And I believe it.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Was the same medication. And then I swear I told
momm about it, and she said, oh, I used.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
To take that. I swear she did, but I.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Have to confirm because I wasn't able to talk to
her this morning, you know, because she she's probably still sleeping.
I know these figures are but no, I always call
pop on when I'm on the way to bring the
kids to school because it's early and he's awake, and
he's I'm like, where's mommy.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Oh ah, she's in there sleep. And still she texted
me at like eight o'clock in the morning the other
day and I was like, what is it the middle?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Are you awake for you or like, yeah, if she
calls me early, I'm like somebody died, because yeah, anyway,
I didn't, so I didn't ask her. But but yeah,
so many people took it, and it seemed like how
many times are we going to say this? It seemed
like such an innocent, benign drug. And now, so if
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my mother took that in the nineteen seventies, now all
of a sudden, it's a problem. That's why you have
to like not trust every single drug because it could
cause problem. Look at this one, it's causing problems. Forty
years down the line for people, Well, is.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
It really the recommendation to try to avoid taking any
medication during pregnancy if you can? But obviously, yeah, obviously
there are certain circumstances you have to And I mean,
I don't know, because personally, nausea is my worst ailment
I've ever experienced in my life. I'd rather shit my
pants just half minutes. So I can't imagine feeling that
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way for a couple of months with just like no
relief in sight. But I don't know. It just it's
kind of crazy that we see these drugs. Wasn't there
another drug that a lot of women took back then
too that caused birth defects? I was thinking about it
called you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's called
thio Let me look it up. So I was thinking
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about this because after everything came out with Jeffrey Dahmer,
his dad had said his mom took all these medications
when she was pregnant with him, and they're wondering, like what.
So two notable things was fenobarbital and morphine she was
taking in her first trimester, and his dad said she
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was taking up to twenty six different pills per day.
The first couple months she was pregnant with him, So
you're thinking that that's what caused him to be uh,
we'll have some brain issues that then made him think
that he could murder people, cut them up and eat
their bodies. Fell little mind.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, and remember all of those baby when those babies
were born, that they had really small limbs.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, like it was a big problem.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, that was that was really that is really a
crazy thing. And I mean and back then, it's just
like you look at history and you just say, well, oh,
back then, you know, they didn't know or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
They still don't know. Now we might know more, but
not completely right.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So I don't know if you mentioned this, sorry that
you said when the drug was available, but then they
they reformulated the drug because people were having babies born
with birth defects, it said, and it didn't specify what. No,
so this is like more of an acute thing. They
were saying the babies were born with birth defects. So
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they reformulated it to not have the die cyclomine, and
then they just didn't use it anymore because that's what
works clearly. So so then they came out with this
other drug in twenty and thirteen called diklegis possibly FDA
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approved for morning sickness. And do you remember that Kim
Kardashian was like the sponsor for it. It was right
around the time I was pregnant with uh Lilian. She
was the sponsor for this drug and she would post
pictures of it, like on Instagram and stuff. I guess
she was getting paid for it. And she didn't put
any of the warnings, and the f like came at
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her and was like, if you're going to post about that,
you have to put all of the negative side effects
that could happen with it and stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And she had to put out this.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Big like, oh, I'm sorry, I should have done that,
And I got a slap on the wrist and this
and that.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I don't remember that, but that is interesting that you
brought that up.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
So so the thing, yeah, you just have to I mean,
and this just happens. It's not even just with pregnancy,
it's just with any medications that they're just like, okay,
I always bring up singular. That's a huge one that
I gave all of my kids, and that now it's
just like, oh, it might cause this, and it might
cause that, and it's just it's just scary.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I guess it's just not realistic to wait decades to
see how medication is going to affect people before you
release it. Obviously, I feel like that's what should happen,
but it's just not realistic that that's how it operates.
But it's scary.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's what's scary with a lot of the different just
the vaccines and this and that, well the newer one,
I should say, sir, and ones that they're just you know,
they're looking and they're giving it to people.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Then they're just like.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
A lot of the drugs are just kind of like, yes,
it doesn't look like if we put it in a
person they're going to drop dead right away, but like
they're watching us as it's going as the years go on.
So you're part of the experiment as well in a way,
you know.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
No, totally all right, this story is so weird. So
UK's National Health Service, the NHS, put out this really
strange report discussing the benefits of first cousin marriage.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I they're saying that there's an outrage, like, yeah, like
most people aren't okay with this.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
No, I mean, I think just morally people aren't okay
with it, and I could be wrong, but is it
not true that there's many studies backing up all the
negative impacts I could have on a baby. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
When first cousins that have they literally have the same grandparents.
I mean, how weird is that? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's very weird. I just can't I just can't.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Even think of it, like it just thinking because sometimes
people aren't really close with their family, and they might
live in another state and barely have met their cousins,
if they ever met their cousins. So I don't think
that that part is weird of it necessarily because right
now you're thinking about like us going to family parties
and these people have been our cousins and we go
we see them all the time, or this or that.
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But like in a distant situation, I don't think that
part of it is gross per se if you don't
have that kind of relationship with them, but you're genetically.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Similar too similar.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
The closer your genes are, the possibility that there could
be bigger problems because let's say you carry a gene
for assistic fibrosis, right, the chance of you meeting a
regular person off the street that also carries it is
so much less than a person in your own family
that probably carries it, and then you're gonna have a
baby that has cystic fibrosis. That's the biggest thing is
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when you're a carrier of a gene that the chance
of it coming to your offspring is just so much
higher than when you don't, just because you're your genome
is so close.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
All right, So I guess was ever researching was should
the UK government ban first cousin marriage? And then the
report went on to describe various benefits, including that marrying
your first cousin included stronger, extended family support systems and
economic advantages, while not at all pointing out how dangerous
it could be to have a kid with what you're saying,
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like the genetics so close together, and how it just
morally wrong.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
But this is like a major organization out there that's
like it's their system, yeah, like thed WHL or something.
It's just it's just weird, Like why, I don't know,
why would you even why would you even say anything?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
It was weird and they've taken it down since they've
gotten all the ba I think, but I just thought
it was really interesting. But you know, of course, you know,
the Queen, Elizabeth, the Prince. That's what I'm saying. It's like,
is it different over there?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I mean, listen, I think all people that live over
there think the same exact way that we do. But
there is a culture over there of they're all a
little bit too closely related.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
No, well, look at this. It says in western countries
the practice is widely deemed as taboo, but in other
cultures such as the Middle East, Africa, and Asia, it's
still a common occurrence. And they're saying worldwide, ten percent
of all marriages are between first and second cousins.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
They also say that they're not even sure that that's estimated.
They think that it could be even more, because they said,
because it's so frowned upon in some cultures, it's not reported.
And I would go as far to say, like I'm
thinking about when I got married to Gabe, I don't
how would they if we were cousins?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
They would. Some states make you do blood tests, but
they're not what blood tests are they doing.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
They're doing a blood test to see if you have HIV,
and shit, they're not doing genealogy on you. No, they
would never be able to know there's there's no way
that they're doing a genetic testing.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
They're not, I swear to God. And so in the
United States, it's saying twenty four states prohibited. Eight states,
which is Arizona, Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Minnesota, Tennessee, Utah, Wisconsin
still allow it under specific conditions. What are the conditions?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
But I just don't I don't even understand why anybody.
Why would anybody even tell anybody.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I don't think you're if you want to, I don't
think you're coming forward with it. But let's say you
live in a small town in the middle of Tennessee.
Everybody probably knows you're related.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
So so like just think about this from let's say
let's say two of our first cousins got married and
we were like, no, Like, who do you call the police?
Who's going to do anything? Who do you go to
really like to complain about it? I'm no snitch, but
it's not the same in writing, just so they don't
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so they're like, oh, this is illegal, but what are
they really going to do about it? Like could you
the cops are going to come over and say are
you guys cousins? And you could say no, like the
way that they would have to go to get your
your blood from both of your buckle smear and do
a DNA profile to see how closely related you are.
I just think they put it out there and they
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hope that like people read it and not do it.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
That's that's it. I just don't understand who I want
to do it. But I guess they're saying. We're in
the minority of cultures that think it's so unacceptable because
we see it as something that's incestuous, but other people
just think it's totally normal.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I just I feel like with my cousins, because I
certainly have cousins that are male that are my age,
I just always had them in like broad category.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Well they as they should, you know me. So it's
just it's just it's just weird. I don't know. Well,
if you think differently, shade.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Well, talk about did you talk about the person that
there's I guess there's you know, there's a social media influencer.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
For everyone for everything.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
They all have their own stick, you know, and this
particular one is that they're both cousins.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Did you see that? No, I didn't see it, But
I just can't get bind their first cousins, and people
were just like no and freaking out about it and stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
And it is when you look at the picture of
them as a couple, they don't really they don't look
alike at all. You would never be able to tell.
So I'm like, why are you telling people?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Because they want the attention?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, but really, because sometimes I see kids that are
cousins and You're like, holy shit, they look a lot alike.
I think we even have some resemblance to some of
our cousins, but then other cousins we have no resemblance to,
you know what I mean, It just depends on how.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Close you know. I think most of our family all
has similarities.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, but some of like some of them will have
like lighter eyes or something. That's what's happened in this
particular couple. Like the woman has what looks like brown
eyes and darker skin, and the guy's like a light
lighter skin person with lighter eyes, and they don't have
He has a very skinny nose and she has a
wider nose. Like I just like, look at both of them,
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and I'm like, you guys could have totally pulled this
off and nobody would have known.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'm just like, how do you get there? You just
get a family party and you're making out or something.
You're just thinking of it.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
You're just thinking of it differently, Like think about think
about Lillian and Lucia for example, like their first cousins
from Aunt Cam Cam live in Utah and we see
them once every couple of years, like they have no
relationship like that, like in every day.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yes, but the boundary, like the invisible boundary, should still
be there. I think about it with people that are
step siblings too. You know, like you're like the Brady Bunch.
You're technically not blood, but like you're being raised in
an environment that you would be. So just put the
wall up. Yeah, I guess it's bizarre. Okay, let's move
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on to Questions of the Week every Friday on that
whether knows at the Instagram account or YouTube, you guys
can ask whatever you want. As a fan of the
Kennedy family, have you read Rosemary The Hidden Kennedy Daughter
and do you have thoughts on it? I? No, I haven't.
Actually I have thoughts on it.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Believe me, I haven't read that, but maybe I will
read that because I guess you're telling me it's good
if you're asking if I've read it. We did do
a celebrity death dissection on her.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
I'm not sure how I'm going to handle the Kennedy's
in the book yet, because there's I want to keep
them all together.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I probably will.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
But like let's say, for example, Mary Joe Kapet, she
was not considered to be a celebrity when she died.
She her name is known because because Ted Kennedy was
involved with her death, if not caused her death, right,
But that story is of interest to people who are
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Kennedy fans.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So would that go in the celebrity death book? Like, well,
if he's a celebrity, he was a senator, a politician
of society. Yeah, And if yeah, they were a celebrity
involved in the death, then yeah, yeah, Like that's what
I think.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
And I think it's the same thing with Rosemary, Like
she wasn't she wasn't famous per se, but her brother was.
And that's I mean, unfortunately, stories like hers may have
been happening with other people, which to give you, guys,
just like a brief overview is that she was considered
to be a rambunctious child and teenager that just wasn't
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I mean, you know that the dad really wanted her
to be killed and settled down because they had a
certain image to portray to the world, and she was
just a little bit wild and decided to do an
experimental surgery on her called a lobotomy, and when she
came out of it, it was essentially botched and she
lost a lot of her mental function. It didn't kill her.
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She lived to be an old woman, actually, but he
basically sent her away to a home and was like, okay,
you guys take care of her. And a lot of
the family members didn't know what was going on with her,
and it came as a shock as to the real
life story of what happened. And it's I mean, obviously
they had a lot of money and power, so they
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had access to doctors that would just be willing to
do something like this to somebody.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
But so I am familiar with the story. We wrote
about it a couple years.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Ago, but I am interested in hearing more details about it,
for sure, especially if I'm going to be writing about
that in the book all.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Right too, How exactly does came answer kills someone? So
this is a good question. It could kill somebody in
a couple different ways. So number one, when you have cancer,
you have cells that are abnormal and they don't function
as regular cells.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
So if you develop let's say, for example, you develop
cancer in your pancreas, your pancreas has a certain function.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
One function is.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
To produce insulin that gets secreted into your bloodstream and
other hormones. The other is to secrete digestive enzymes that
go into the pancreatic duct that help break down your food.
When you have a tumor that is growing in the
cells that normally provide insulin for the bloodstream, those cells
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don't work normal, they don't produce things normal, and all
of a sudden, you're going to become a diabetic just
because of that, or because of the surgery. You have
to get associated with that. So those cells could then
move over so they can metastasize, or they could spread
to let's say, for example, the liver, like the pancreas
is commonly spread to the liver. That would make you
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a stage four cancer. So now those cells are taking
up your normal liver cells, and then your liver stops
functioning properly because there's just pancreaus tumor cells in there
that aren't functioning as the liver. So that's one reason.
Another reason is is that you could get something called
cackxia when you have cancer, which is a wasting of
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the muscles and malnutrition, and you just so you could
die because of that. Just because of the wasting that
goes with cackxia, other things that tumors sometimes can be
very vascular because they need a lot of blood supply
to feed them, and sometimes those tumors can bleed and
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they could cause you to bleed to death. So that's
why anytime if if you sometimes when you have colon cancer,
one of the first symptoms will be like you're going
you poop and there's blood, right, and that could definitely
be a sign of cancer. So there's times where people
bleed so bad from their tumors that it causes them
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to essentially bleed to death. It could also it also
can increase your risk for clotting. I know that that
doesn't make sense, but you're at an increased risk of
getting pulmonary embolism and stuff. And then of course if
you're on any kind of treatments, like like we said
with surgeries, but also chemotherapy, radiation. They all carry risks too,
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so just a combination of one or all of those
things could cause you to die from cancer.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
All right, last, would you ever consider becoming a daily show?
H would you? I would. I I'm very interested in that.
I just also at the same time, don't see how
it's possible with running the website too. Yeah, I mean
I would.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I would be interested if you actually want to hear
from us every day, because it does suck because we
cut a lot of stories and that does bum me
out because I feel like there's so many things I
always want to talk about and I'm just kind of
like there's just not enough time. And we do cover
a lot of the cut stories in the grossroom when
we do our episode in there on usually on Fridays
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towards the end of the week. But yeah, I mean,
if if we got paid good, I would, I'd be
into it. Yeah, if it could, if it could supplement
like some other things that we have to do, But yeah,
I don't know, not right now anyway. We just right now,
I'm just like I barely have any extra time, and
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I'm scared to take on more stuff because I don't
I don't want to be working twenty four to seven,
you know.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, even when we up to three, it was a
little bit of an adjustment. But I feel like we've
got it kind of worked out right now. But that
means we have no free time like we have been.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
We have all these stories and then it's like we
just keep meeting all these awesome people that we want
to interview. So we have a bunch of interviews coming
up in the next couple of weeks. And but I
we love it, so we want to do it more
if it's possible for sure.
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it was awesome. It was awesome. We drove out there.
It was really cool. I was not expecting it, you know,
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and it was like really far away from us. But
the zoo was beautiful. It was so clean in there.
Apparently up till a couple of years ago it was
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The sloth was so cute. Yeah, so the presenters presented
in front of a sloth and it was being extracute
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was so cool to watch it. Yeah, we had a
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I met some awesome people. We met Sarah from the
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to meet. So we're gonna be and it introduced us
to some new people that were like, oh, yeah, these
guys need to be on our show. So we're gonna
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All Right, we'll see you guys tomorrow.
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Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the weird series of events that
happened after our ex NFL star Mark Sanchez was stabbed.
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Diddy was finally sentenced, so we'll get into that, a
little bit, a freak accident involving a skydiving instructor and
his student, an interesting study done to see if a
fetus reacts to cigarette smoking, a popular drug that was
used for morning sickness that is now linked to colorectal cancer,
and the benefits of marrying your first cousin IW We'll
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finish up this episode with your questions.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
All that and more.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
On today's episode, let's get started with this Mark Sanchez story.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's so weird. It is weird, and the way that
media was presenting it at first was he was just
innocently walking down the street and got stabbed, and that
is not at all what happened. So I guess let's
start from the beginning. Over the weekend. I guess on Friday,
he was seen around downtown Indianapolis. So he is a
former NFL quarterback but now he's a sports analyst. So
(01:23):
by the reports I've been seeing, he was in town
to cover the Raiders Colts game, so that's why he
was there. So people in the bar he was saying
that he was acting erratically and that he ended up
in this alley behind the bar doing sprints. So then
while he's doing sprints behind the bar, this man driving
a grease truck pulled into the alley to do this
(01:45):
pickup at a hotel, and it basically ignited this weird
altercation where Mark Sanchez went up to the driver and
was trying to get him to move the car. But
I guess the guy had hearing aids and he didn't
wear them when he was driving because the noise was
too loud in the try, so he didn't hear him
at first, and then it escalated into Mark basically beating
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the shit out of this guy until the guy finally
had to stab him to get him off of him,
and he pepper sprayed him too, because he was like,
I think he's trying to kill me. Wow, it's a lot,
a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So it's so he was staying at that hotel and
like he's up and just drunk and somehow ends up
doing sprints in the alley, Like what, that's what most
people want to do with their drunk, Like, let me
go do a workout right now.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And I guess this guy was in the way of
his sprints. Is that that's happened, or that's what it
sounds like to me, is that he was. You know,
many witnesses had said that his breath smelled like alcohol,
really bad, and he was luring his words. So I'm
going to go on the assumption he was out of
his mind drunk at the bar.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Was he with anyone, because it's just if you're at
a hotel by yourself and you go down and you
have a drink or two or ten, it's just weird
that other people would notice you acting erratically if you
weren't really having conversations with people there.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Assuming that he was not necessarily because I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, yeah, I mean, if you're if you're complete. But
I'm just trying to figure out like how drunk he
really was or if there was. I also have a
theory that there could be other substances involved too that
would cause that kind of rage like that, or.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Could it be a combination of potential CTE mixed with
excessive alcohol use. I mean, it could be anything. I
always copeing that. Also, it's important to note that he's
thirty eight years old and the driver was sixty nine
years old. Like, how is this seventy year old man
supposed to go up against a professionally trained quarterback in
a fight? Seriously?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, and listen, like, there's there's photos of this sixty
nine year old man circulating online and on social media
and in the news reports as well, and he did.
He does look like he got an ass whoop in
In fact, he has a large wound across his face
that is almost from his ear to his across his
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cheek to hit the corner of his lip.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
It's huge.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's I would say that it's probably a good ten
centimeters or four inches long wound. And I was trying
to zoom in on it to see if I could
tell if it was from blunt trauma or sharp trauma.
And I personally think that even if that guy super
strong and stuff and punched him in the face like that,
(04:35):
that his cheek wouldn't split open that big because it
looks just really deep. So I think that there's a
possibility that while he was trying to stab Mark. He
just got cut with the knife by accident during that time.
It looks like it's pretty a little jagged and rough,
but that could just be due to having a knife
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that's not that u or just having an irregular stab wound,
or because it almost looks like a slice it's that deep.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well, the news is using your favorite word elaceration to
but then also using the word to cut. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean, if I had to make a guess, I
would say it was made by something sharp, unless he
was hit with something else that could have split. I
just don't think that it would split like that no
matter what he was hit with. So I'm going with
the knife made the cut somehow. But it's a big
gash across his face that may require surgery. I don't
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know if he has any underlying broken bones or anything
like that, but definitely multiple sutures to fix it increase
wrestlume infection, especially because he's older. And that doesn't even
I mean, he's got blood all over his body. He
just looks like he got beat up. And I guess
that's the most unusual part of this story because I
feel like it came out pretty fast. What happened that
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police went into the hospel and arrested him while he
was fighting for his life.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean this happened just after midnight Saturday morning.
And then by Saturday Mark Sanchez is getting surgery for
the stab wounds. This other guy's in the hospital too,
and then I believe he got charged either that night
or the next morning. And they have all these security
cameras back there. Did you see that video of him
walking around after Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean that's that's how they're able to prove
I mean this I was thinking about that. You pull
up behind a hotel. This guy's telling this story. I
bet you the whole entire thing is on film, oh
all of it. And the thing that really pissed me
off about this story is that on I don't know
about the schedule, but they played football on Fridays correctly,
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or on Sundays. So that was They're like, that would
have been his job. He would have been at the
game on Sunday announcing the game. Yes, okay, So his
co worker people whoever they are, I don't know who
he announces with, were like, we just want to put
out we just want to say that we're looking out
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for Mark Sanchez and we hope he has a quick
recovery in the hospital and all people involved.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And I'm like, what the fuck fuck that dude? Right, Well,
maybe the only benefit of the doubt I want to
give them is they didn't know what happened. And it's
because when I was seeing.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Their reports, if I knew what happened, then they should
have known what happened. If they, I mean, come on,
like the people that were but when at work don't
get news even faster.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
But when did they put that out today? Because most
got out yesterday. Now I knew about it yesterday too.
I knew about it first thing yesterday morning. Yeah, but
if you're saying they put it out on Sunday, they
might not have known by the time the broadcast happened
on Sunday. Possibly, And the way I feel like I'm
trying it was that he just got randomly attacked. Yeah no,
(07:46):
and that is not at all what happened.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I feel like they knew because why would they say
and all people involved.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
It's it's bizarre.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
I mean it's because listen, like, if you were randomly
walking up the street and got stabbed, who else would
be involved? That I care about the person that stabbed you. No,
like it's they knew it just was like, I just
think it wasn't. I feel like, honestly, they should have
just not said anything.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
They shouldn't have, but at the same time, they were
going to and it does seem irresponsible at this point
in time, with the information we know that he just
like seemingly assaulted an innocent man trying to work and
he was drunk out of his mind or whatever was
going on and just couldn't handle himself. And did he
have a history of acting out like this or was
(08:32):
this a one off situation. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I just think it's weird that people have They just
he's had so many amazing opportunities. He was on a
professional football team, which so many people would kill for, right, Like,
it's just such a great opportunity, and then he gets
this job after he was done, and you're just like,
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how are you that dumb that you're just screwing.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
All that up? Like he's gonna lose his job.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I hope, you know what, I don't even know what's
happening in twenty twenty five, because there's a possibility that
someone that was drunk and tried to kill somebody will
have a TV show still and everybody will be okay
with it.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
But in theory he should lose his job. I would
say he's likely going to get fired because I've never
heard that he's this like incredible sports announcer that's irreplaceable.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
And he wasn't like he wasn't like a super great
player either, right, I mean, I'm sure they're all great
to a certain extent if they're professional football players, but
he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Like, listen, I'm not even gonna try to name a
football player right now.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
The one that was cute that got all the botox recently,
what's his name, Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Like he is not cute. He was he was before
he got the weird handsome squid word.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I don't want to listen. I I'm like anti men
getting their faces done. I just don't like the way
it looks at all. But he was cute before he
had that done, and now he you know, Like it's
the same with John Stamos, Like I'd rather look at
old John Stamos instead of like weird plastic surgery John Stamos,
because my eye catches it so quickly and it's just
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kind of a turn off to me totally.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mean, all I know about this guy and I
could be totally wrong because I don't know anything about sports. Really,
It's just like he was this big deal because he
was coming to the Jets and was gonna save them,
and all I know is the Jets still sucks. So like,
I don't know if he did anything, I don't know
what his deal is. This is one hundred percent unacceptable.
Of course, I'm looking at the charges right, and it's
(10:34):
He's initially charged with battery with injury, public intoxication, and
unlawful entry of a vehicle. Bond was three hundred dollars.
That is ridiculous, and those were misdemeanors at first, but
now the charges have been up to level five fel
any battery of causing serious injury and the guy is
suing him. Good.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, the guy didn't obviously the guy didn't even know
who he was. But like, honestly, if something like this
is gonna happen to you, at least have it be
a multi millionaire that could like make it go away
a little bit faster.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, he should be less focused on going back
to work and maybe go to rehab because he clearly
has a problem. And that's also why I brought up
the brain injury thing, because people don't just act like
this and not all black I'm drunk people act like that, no,
And that's that's why I was asking you about that,
because I'm like, if an average person gets too drunk,
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they don't get every it doesn't automatically cause violence. But
then when it's mixed with other substances or like you said,
a traumatic brain injury, which is likely, I mean, like
it's just the more and more that's coming out. Unless
you could somehow skate through your career and not hit
your head as a football player, I don't know. I mean,
(11:48):
it's totally a possibility. And then and then you start
to have another conversation like, Okay, he's not like maybe
he's not a drunk scumbag, Maybe he's legitimately like yeah,
basis he's yeah, like, he's having a legitimate brain pathology
that needs to be addressed. So we'll report if we
hear anything else. Of course, we're not going to know
(12:08):
if he has CTE until he dies to do his
autopsy and look at the brain, So we'll just have
to assume that he's a douche for now, Well, I
am just wondering if he has a history of behavior
like this, and if it was shocking and I'm just
able to keep it under it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
People people don't just like pull an old man out
of a truck and start punching them, Okay, So well, exactly,
there's more to the story, for sure. I worked at
a bar for about ten years, and I've seen plenty
of very drunk people in my time, and very seldom
did it go to violent behavior like that. So I
just think something else was definitely contributing, all right, did
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He was in court on Friday for sentencing after he
was found guilty of two counts of transportation to engage
in prostitution. The prosecution recommended that he'd be sentenced to
eleven years for the charges, but the judge only sentenced
him to four years and two months, and the time
he has served so far will count towards that sentence.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
What'd you think about the sentence. I don't know, Like
I was surprised they gave him any time at all,
But at the same time, it's not enough and he
didn't get the bigger charges. I just I don't really
know what I feel about it. Honestly, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's it's really hard to say because I think that
what they charged him with is not like we're looking
at especially I guess for me anyway, when I think
about Diddy, one of the biggest things I think about
is him beating up Cassie in that video, right, and
that video really has nothing to do with any of
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the charges that he was found guilty of.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
I think the problem here, especially after talking to Lauren
and looking at the case outside of the headlines a
little bit, I just don't think they had a very
strong like, the state did not have a very strong
case against him, and it got botched. Yeah, I agree
with that. I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think that it was like, I think most people
will agree that he's a terrible person, but they weren't
able to charge him with things that really would have
gotten him in trouble for a long time. And the
things that they tried to he didn't get. He didn't
(14:24):
get in trouble with. But it was kind of a stretch.
It's like it was just kind of a stretch to
you know, you know that I'm writing my celebrity death book.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Right, now right, And I was writing, I think you've
announced that on the show.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, I am, guess guess what you Celebrity Death book
coming soon, not really soon, it's coming when twenty twenty seven,
but I'm working on it and it's gonna be awesome.
So I was writing about al Capone yesterday and how
like that guy if you think about him, like biggest
mobster of all time and just all of the murders
and the racketeering, this and that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Like he got charged with tax eVision.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
That's how they got him because they were just like,
we're just going to get him for whatever we could
get him for. And when you look at that, you're
just like, who cares about tax evasion? This guy was
like running a criminal crime family, right, just it's just
like there, it's kind of this modern day thing with Diddy,
like let's just see what we could get him for
(15:20):
kind of and to an extent, they were successful because,
as you were, I'm shocked he got any time because
of like countless examples. O. J. Simpson, this isn't right,
so to think, and I think he's shocked he got
any time.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Well, yeah, based on the courtroom sketches and then based
on what I mean, he went on this whole play.
I know I've hurt people, Never do it again. I
don't think abusers just stop when they get a slap
on the wrist. And I'm gonna consider this sentence a
slap on the wrist. You beat this shit out of
an innocent woman. But think about this, but that, yes
he did, but that this wasn't about him. That is
(16:00):
not what the charges were brought against him at all.
That was just like side evidence. So now the defense
team is going to appeal this sentence, and honestly, I
think that they might have a chance of getting out
of it. And let me tell you why.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Because a lot of the stuff that the judge was
saying about him as to why he's deciding to put
him in jail for this long is things that weren't
that he was found not guilty for, right, okay, So
so that really can't be used in the sentencing because
that's not what they found him guilty for. Like he
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should have been sentencing based on the guilty please, and
that's it. So like they might be able to go
back and say, oh, he's bringing up the girl friend
and the this and the that, and it's like he
wasn't charged with any of that stuff if you want
to look at it on paper, and they have really
good lawyers, so that's totally possibility. But this dude, you
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know that Diddy had things planned for like next week
events to show up to oh because he was that common,
because he was that confident that he had served his
time and was getting out.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean, so just to tell him, how many years
did he get? Total four? He got four years in
two months. But he's been in jail since last September.
So his defense team had recommended a fourteen month sentencing.
So basically, if he had been given the fourteen month sentence,
he would have been eligible to get out now because
(17:38):
that was the time served already, right, But I don't know.
I've been hearing other experts talk about they weren't surprised
by the time given, and they think he's gonna get
out probably by next year. If let's say the appeal
is unsuccessful and he does have to serve the four
he'll have good behavior everything like that. He's not going
(17:59):
the whole time. There's no way you want to hear
something so funny. He has been complaining about the conditions
that he's living in and how his food is cold
and he doesn't have a warm bed, and this and.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That and and they tried to use that to say, well,
he shouldn't have to serve maybe as much time because
he's been living under like extra strenuous circumstances.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well so is every other prisoner. And if you're so
bothered by it, take your money for prison reform. I
don't know what you expect.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
And this is the thing too, It's like, of course
this is terrible for him, because this is a guy
that probably before he shows up at a hotel like
requests a Mariah Carey treatment of like ten dozen white
roses in the room, and and you know, certain thread
count of sheets, and he's got the amount of money
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that like, think about this, if you and I were
were like ditty money and we were traveling, I would
be like, I need my room to be set up
with an electric blanket everywhere I go, and just like
things that make me very comfortable, right, I want to
have all the stuff that makes me super comfortable. So
when you have that level of like getting all of
(19:21):
that stuff, would you would I, let's say, for when
I just went to crime con would I be eating
Rice Chrispy treats for dinner.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
No, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
So, like he's used to having, you didn't have to
be eating, but they were. Listen, the gay Lord hotels
have the best Rice Krispy treats. Anyone that's been there
will say that. But but seriously, like he's just used to,
he could probably go to la and have his people
call his favorite restaurant and make sure that that food
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is in the hotel room when he gets there, like
just another level of catering.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Oh fucking well, don't do weird shit, I know, but
I'm just saying, like that's. Of course, this is a
culture shock to him, because jail isn't supposed to be comfortable.
It's supposed to make you regret the bad decisions you made.
And if he really cares that much about it, he
should try to invest money into the prison system and
make it more comfortable for other prisoners.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, he has a lot of time to think about
this now, so he will get out. And like, listen,
I I'm defending him at all because I think that
he should be in jail just because I think he's
a terrible person. But he went through a jury and
they didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
They didn't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
They said he was not guilty of a lot of
the things that would have put him in jail longer.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
But I think a large part of that is because
the case was weak against him, Like, yeah, I think
if they had a good case, he probably would have
been charged.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
He's also didty, Like I just think it's I think
it's really hard to get a fair and impartial jury
when there's someone of that stature, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, and I mean an important party Hot pop knows
who did he is? Like everybody knows who he is.
He's like a super super celebrity. An important part I
thought Lauren brought up too, was like there's no court
there's no cameras in this courtroom, so we're relying on
people's reporting being in the room, and a lot of
it was exaggerated. Yeah, and that the drawings are neat
(21:27):
The drawings are pretty good. But I was wondering if
that guy we met at crime Con last year did them,
But I think another person did. Okay, let's get on
with what's our next story. So over the weekend, the
skydiving instructor and a student were doing a tandem jump,
and I guess at some point they got separated and
(21:47):
the instructor wasn't wearing his own parachute, so he plummeted
to his death, and then the student ended up getting
trapped in a tree survived, but that was a miracle
in and of itself. Yeah. I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Much about sky diving except I would never ever, ever
do it in a million years.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I really think that people.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Are really courageous that do it, because it probably feels
really cool when it's successful. But the fear of this
particular case, for example, So I guess what happened is
the guy was harnessed to the other guy when they
jumped out, and the part of the harness got caught
on the edge of the plane and like ripped off him,
(22:28):
and he essentially plummeted eleven thousand feet to the ground.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
He would he even be intact when they found.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
No, absolutely, not like he would be. I just I
don't even want to think about it. I have a
post in the gross room about a person that fell
out of the landing gear of a plane that was
a stowaway and fell from that high up, and it
just it just looks terrible. It's definitely not intact, even
(22:57):
a little bit and the but which that's disturbing. I
think the really crazy part of this story is that
the other dude survived.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, and he was suspended in a tree for hours
before they were able to get him out, which must
have been harrif. I mean, I'm thinking of this guy
falling to his death. You would hope at some point
mid air they just pass out or something, because otherwise,
don't you feel it? That could take up to a
couple minutes for you to fully fall that far down,
so you're aware you're about to die.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
That law, I don't. I don't even want to think
about it. It's just it makes me feel gross to
even think about it.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Just the height.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
The height thing is so scary. And yeah, I mean,
I mean one sense, you could be like the guy
died loving, like doing what he loved to do. That
was another story that we caught this week because we
just didn't have enough time about a person that was
rock climbing. You remember that that documentary Free Solo with
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that crazy dude who was like climbing these mountains without.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Oh, that was the guy that died.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, it was just a guy doing doing that particular
mountain that he climbed in that documentary. So it's just
like there's something to be said. I guess, if you're
going to die anyway, die doing something that you love
to do. But in this particular case, it's you know,
so so this guy. So there's a picture, And I
(24:22):
asked Gabe this morning because the picture in the article
is a guy in a parachute at the top of
what appears to be pretty high trees and then fireman
with a ladder up trying to get him down. So
number one, that guy was in the tree hanging there
for god knows how long, but they said it was hours, right,
(24:43):
And I asked Gabe and he said that it could
be just based upon the ladders because it's not a
fire truck like an aerial device ladder. It's just the
ones that they would have on their trucks to put up.
He said that it's anywhere from like forty five to
sixty feet up the air.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Geez.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
So just imagine hanging there upside down and no one
coming Like that would be my fear, Like what if
no one finds me and I'm just here until I die?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Oh totally, I mean I don't know this the whole
concept of skydiving freaks me out so bad, especially when
you hear these horrific stories of how it went wrong.
That's how I feel about hot air balloons too, Like
I would. I really think they're the coolest things ever
and I want to be in one, but like I
just could never do it. No, I mean especially I
feel like there's been a lot more accidents than normal.
(25:35):
So maybe like, if I live to be ninety nine,
you could just send me up there by myself, because like,
if I fall, what's the difference. That's a good attitude
to have. I guess.
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Head over to the gross room dot com now to
sign up. All right, A new study has come out
showing how fetuses react differently with smoking mothers versus those
who don't smoke.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So this study was published in Acta pediatrica and found
that a fetus of a smoking mother touched their face
and mouth more often than a fetus of a non
smoking mom. So that's really interesting actually, and it's it's
such a small study, so they're gonna have to do
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a larger study. But I guess research so far has
shown that if a fetus is in utero and they
touch there, they have more movements. It means that they're
in a more stress The mother is usually more stressful
so it's a more stressful environment and that has been
known to cause issues down the line that you might
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not see right away. So I guess that's why this
research is really important. So what happened is in this
particular study, like I said, it was small, and they
looked at the fetuses of both moms who smoked during
pregnancy and moms who didn't smoke, and they monitored it
with four D ultrasound, which is super high depth, so
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they're able to see what was going on as well.
And they did four different scans between twenty four and
thirty six weeks pregnant, and they found that there was
a fifty eight percent increase in mouth movement of these
babies and a sixty nine percent increase in self touch
where they were touching their face or their head. And
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so these babies were all born and they were all healthy,
normal weights and everything like that. But this researcher would
like to follow them further on because their research suggests
that if a fetus, as the fetus gets older and
their brains developing more, they should be moving less but
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have more complex movements just with their brain becoming mature.
And in this case, they're saying that these babies that
are born to a mom that is a smoker, it
might possibly be affecting their neuro development basically, So maybe
down the line they might show to have cognitive issues
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or just not meeting milestones the same as other children
that are born to non smoking mothers. So we already
know that smoking during pregnancy is terrible anyway, but this
might just be another thing to kind of add to
the list. Yeah, I was gonna ask that because I
saw this article said all infants in the study were
born at a healthy weight and size with no obvious
(29:47):
health issues at that time. So this is something that
would present later on, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's smoking is just a.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Weird thing because like right now, it's honestly, like now,
in twenty twenty five, it's so bizarre to think of
a person smoking during pregnancy because it's just.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, I can't believe they got four people to willingly
join the study because I feel like people definitely do it,
but it's kind of a hidden thing. Yeah, people do it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It's but I mean again, another thing that I was
writing about is smoking addiction in the new book coming out,
and it's an addiction, so.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
People still do it, but.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
People really like I'm just saying now compared to Gabe's
mom smoked when she was pregnant, Nanny smoked when she
was pregnant with all them.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Like this was Norman, It's wrong with me. This was
normal exactly.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
But I'm just saying, like, now that we know all
of this stuff, this is just another thing to add
on to it. And sometimes like I think that Nanny
told me when Aunt Tina was born. I think that
she was born very very small, and her placenta she said, yeah,
her placenta was like white, and I was like, well, that's.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Bad, right, So does that mean though?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
It just means that because when the placenta is kind
of the lifeline between the mom and the fetus, and
when it's white, it means that it's infarcted or dead,
so that blood flow going back and forth between the
mom and the fetus is interrupted in some kind of
a way. And sometimes rarely, I mean in pathology, we
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see little areas that are white sometimes and it and
but to see one that has a lot of they're
called infarcs within the within the placenta is not common.
I've only seen a couple and it's it usually is
compatible with death, so so not for the mother, for
the for the fetus. So she even I I just
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remember because when I got into pathology and stuff, my
grandmam was like, yeah, they said they wanted to keep
it and put it in a jar because it was
so weird.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
And I was just like, why can't I have that?
You should have taken it home.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But but yeah, so like for the I just am
making the point that millions of women used to smoke
being pregnant and some of the some of the babies
were born and had problems, but most of them weren't.
And in this case you could see, like they say
all the time, if you smoke during pregnancy, you have
an increased risk of still birth, a miscarriage, low birth weight.
(32:22):
Well this kind of proves against that, right because that
didn't happen in this case, So you know, it's it's
but it happens with some So that's why you that's
why you say that, just so because you don't know
which person and which fetus is going to have the problem.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Well let's jump off that point to talk about this
other study coming from University of Texas Health Science Center, Houston.
So they are linking a popular drug taking during pregnancy
decades ago in colorectal cancer. Yeah, so this is called benedictine,
that's what it looks like. It's called an anti spasmodic diclocyclomine,
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and this is was supposed to be used for a
morning sickness. One thing that I didn't I guess I
didn't really realize until I read about this study was
that UCLA recently has confirmed that morning sickness is a
healthy immune response that prevents the body from rejecting the
baby during pregnancy. Not to say that everyone has to
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have that, because I didn't have morning sickness at all,
and my mom didn't either, Like some people just don't
get it. But all that is is an immune response,
Whereas in the past it used to be thought as
a mental illness shocker, so they used to just think
it was in the woman's head or it just was like, oh,
you're pregnant, so you just think you're feeling this way,
but you really don't feel this way. And I'm laughing
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because it's so typical that like women, just as always,
they're just so blown off about everything. That's another I'm
hitting a lot of good points in the book. That's
another point that I wrote about this weekend to was
just how women get blown off and in this case
died from it. The one that I was writing about.
I'm not going to give away all the answer.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
But yeah, so I don't I don't know, you know,
think about this like when momm was because this was
like during the time now, when momm was pregnant with
me in the seventies, like going to your doctor and
let's say she was like I had morning sickness, and
they gave her this medication which is still used today,
I believe, but it's it's it's to relieve bowels. I
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think if you have a lot of like inflammatory bowel
disease or irritable bowel syndrome. It's used to kind of
you know, when you have that feeling you're bloated. It
causes you to not have muscle spasms in your bowl.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
So wait, So it was given to pregnant women like
between the fifties and the eighties and could potentially cause
colorectal cancer, but now it is used as treatment for well,
same system.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
No, so it was given to women who had mourning
sickness and they believe whatever mechanism works on the GI
track is also working on the mechanism of the GI
track in the fetus when the mom's pregnant while she's
taking this medication.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Okay, so that's where.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
They think it's targeting, is the GI track of the fetus,
which is coming to find out that adults that were
born to mothers that took this are now getting colon
cancer later in life more frequently. So it's interesting because
this medication was initially approved in nineteen fifty six, and
they said by the mid seventies as many as twenty
five percent of pregnant women were taking it, and then
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it was voluntarily discontinued in nineteen eighty three after it
became a huge thing of lawsuit is causing birth defects.
I have to talk to mo mom about this because
I swear I got I got a pill one time
when I was having like one of these ballots of
like GI issues. I swear this is one of the
drugs that the doctor gave me because they said to
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take it if you felt bloated, and it would make
you not feel bloated anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And I believe it.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Was the same medication. And then I swear I told
momm about it, and she said, oh, I used.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
To take that. I swear she did, but I.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Have to confirm because I wasn't able to talk to
her this morning, you know, because she she's probably still sleeping.
I know these figures are but no, I always call
pop on when I'm on the way to bring the
kids to school because it's early and he's awake, and
he's I'm like, where's mommy.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Oh ah, she's in there sleep. And still she texted
me at like eight o'clock in the morning the other
day and I was like, what is it the middle?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Are you awake for you or like, yeah, if she
calls me early, I'm like somebody died, because yeah, anyway,
I didn't, so I didn't ask her. But but yeah,
so many people took it, and it seemed like how
many times are we going to say this? It seemed
like such an innocent, benign drug. And now, so if
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my mother took that in the nineteen seventies, now all
of a sudden, it's a problem. That's why you have
to like not trust every single drug because it could
cause problem. Look at this one, it's causing problems. Forty
years down the line for people, Well, is.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
It really the recommendation to try to avoid taking any
medication during pregnancy if you can? But obviously, yeah, obviously
there are certain circumstances you have to And I mean,
I don't know, because personally, nausea is my worst ailment
I've ever experienced in my life. I'd rather shit my
pants just half minutes. So I can't imagine feeling that
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way for a couple of months with just like no
relief in sight. But I don't know. It just it's
kind of crazy that we see these drugs. Wasn't there
another drug that a lot of women took back then
too that caused birth defects? I was thinking about it
called you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's called
thio Let me look it up. So I was thinking
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about this because after everything came out with Jeffrey Dahmer,
his dad had said his mom took all these medications
when she was pregnant with him, and they're wondering, like what.
So two notable things was fenobarbital and morphine she was
taking in her first trimester, and his dad said she
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was taking up to twenty six different pills per day.
The first couple months she was pregnant with him, So
you're thinking that that's what caused him to be uh,
we'll have some brain issues that then made him think
that he could murder people, cut them up and eat
their bodies. Fell little mind.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, and remember all of those baby when those babies
were born, that they had really small limbs.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, like it was a big problem.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, that was that was really that is really a
crazy thing. And I mean and back then, it's just
like you look at history and you just say, well, oh,
back then, you know, they didn't know or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
They still don't know. Now we might know more, but
not completely right.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
So I don't know if you mentioned this, sorry that
you said when the drug was available, but then they
they reformulated the drug because people were having babies born
with birth defects, it said, and it didn't specify what. No,
so this is like more of an acute thing. They
were saying the babies were born with birth defects. So
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they reformulated it to not have the die cyclomine, and
then they just didn't use it anymore because that's what
works clearly. So so then they came out with this
other drug in twenty and thirteen called diklegis possibly FDA
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approved for morning sickness. And do you remember that Kim
Kardashian was like the sponsor for it. It was right
around the time I was pregnant with uh Lilian. She
was the sponsor for this drug and she would post
pictures of it, like on Instagram and stuff. I guess
she was getting paid for it. And she didn't put
any of the warnings, and the f like came at
(40:01):
her and was like, if you're going to post about that,
you have to put all of the negative side effects
that could happen with it and stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
And she had to put out this.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Big like, oh, I'm sorry, I should have done that,
And I got a slap on the wrist and this
and that.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I don't remember that, but that is interesting that you
brought that up.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
So so the thing, yeah, you just have to I mean,
and this just happens. It's not even just with pregnancy,
it's just with any medications that they're just like, okay,
I always bring up singular. That's a huge one that
I gave all of my kids, and that now it's
just like, oh, it might cause this, and it might
cause that, and it's just it's just scary.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I guess it's just not realistic to wait decades to
see how medication is going to affect people before you
release it. Obviously, I feel like that's what should happen,
but it's just not realistic that that's how it operates.
But it's scary.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
That's what's scary with a lot of the different just
the vaccines and this and that, well the newer one,
I should say, sir, and ones that they're just you know,
they're looking and they're giving it to people.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Then they're just like.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
A lot of the drugs are just kind of like, yes,
it doesn't look like if we put it in a
person they're going to drop dead right away, but like
they're watching us as it's going as the years go on.
So you're part of the experiment as well in a way,
you know.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
No, totally all right, this story is so weird. So
UK's National Health Service, the NHS, put out this really
strange report discussing the benefits of first cousin marriage.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I they're saying that there's an outrage, like, yeah, like
most people aren't okay with this.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
No, I mean, I think just morally people aren't okay
with it, and I could be wrong, but is it
not true that there's many studies backing up all the
negative impacts I could have on a baby. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
When first cousins that have they literally have the same grandparents.
I mean, how weird is that? Right?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
It's very weird. I just can't I just can't.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Even think of it, like it just thinking because sometimes
people aren't really close with their family, and they might
live in another state and barely have met their cousins,
if they ever met their cousins. So I don't think
that that part is weird of it necessarily because right
now you're thinking about like us going to family parties
and these people have been our cousins and we go
we see them all the time, or this or that.
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But like in a distant situation, I don't think that
part of it is gross per se if you don't
have that kind of relationship with them, but you're genetically.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Similar too similar.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
The closer your genes are, the possibility that there could
be bigger problems because let's say you carry a gene
for assistic fibrosis, right, the chance of you meeting a
regular person off the street that also carries it is
so much less than a person in your own family
that probably carries it, and then you're gonna have a
baby that has cystic fibrosis. That's the biggest thing is
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when you're a carrier of a gene that the chance
of it coming to your offspring is just so much
higher than when you don't, just because you're your genome
is so close.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
All right, So I guess was ever researching was should
the UK government ban first cousin marriage? And then the
report went on to describe various benefits, including that marrying
your first cousin included stronger, extended family support systems and
economic advantages, while not at all pointing out how dangerous
it could be to have a kid with what you're saying,
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like the genetics so close together, and how it just
morally wrong.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
But this is like a major organization out there that's
like it's their system, yeah, like thed WHL or something.
It's just it's just weird, Like why, I don't know,
why would you even why would you even say anything?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
It was weird and they've taken it down since they've
gotten all the ba I think, but I just thought
it was really interesting. But you know, of course, you know,
the Queen, Elizabeth, the Prince. That's what I'm saying. It's like,
is it different over there?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
I mean, listen, I think all people that live over
there think the same exact way that we do. But
there is a culture over there of they're all a
little bit too closely related.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
No, well, look at this. It says in western countries
the practice is widely deemed as taboo, but in other
cultures such as the Middle East, Africa, and Asia, it's
still a common occurrence. And they're saying worldwide, ten percent
of all marriages are between first and second cousins.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
They also say that they're not even sure that that's estimated.
They think that it could be even more, because they said,
because it's so frowned upon in some cultures, it's not reported.
And I would go as far to say, like I'm
thinking about when I got married to Gabe, I don't
how would they if we were cousins?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
They would. Some states make you do blood tests, but
they're not what blood tests are they doing.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
They're doing a blood test to see if you have HIV,
and shit, they're not doing genealogy on you. No, they
would never be able to know there's there's no way
that they're doing a genetic testing.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
They're not, I swear to God. And so in the
United States, it's saying twenty four states prohibited. Eight states,
which is Arizona, Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Minnesota, Tennessee, Utah, Wisconsin
still allow it under specific conditions. What are the conditions?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
But I just don't I don't even understand why anybody.
Why would anybody even tell anybody.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I don't think you're if you want to, I don't
think you're coming forward with it. But let's say you
live in a small town in the middle of Tennessee.
Everybody probably knows you're related.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
So so like just think about this from let's say
let's say two of our first cousins got married and
we were like, no, Like, who do you call the police?
Who's going to do anything? Who do you go to
really like to complain about it? I'm no snitch, but
it's not the same in writing, just so they don't
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so they're like, oh, this is illegal, but what are
they really going to do about it? Like could you
the cops are going to come over and say are
you guys cousins? And you could say no, like the
way that they would have to go to get your
your blood from both of your buckle smear and do
a DNA profile to see how closely related you are.
I just think they put it out there and they
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hope that like people read it and not do it.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
That's that's it. I just don't understand who I want
to do it. But I guess they're saying. We're in
the minority of cultures that think it's so unacceptable because
we see it as something that's incestuous, but other people
just think it's totally normal.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I just I feel like with my cousins, because I
certainly have cousins that are male that are my age,
I just always had them in like broad category.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Well they as they should, you know me. So it's
just it's just it's just weird. I don't know. Well,
if you think differently, shade.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Well, talk about did you talk about the person that
there's I guess there's you know, there's a social media influencer.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
For everyone for everything.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
They all have their own stick, you know, and this
particular one is that they're both cousins.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Did you see that? No, I didn't see it, But
I just can't get bind their first cousins, and people
were just like no and freaking out about it and stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
And it is when you look at the picture of
them as a couple, they don't really they don't look
alike at all. You would never be able to tell.
So I'm like, why are you telling people?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Because they want the attention?
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, but really, because sometimes I see kids that are
cousins and You're like, holy shit, they look a lot alike.
I think we even have some resemblance to some of
our cousins, but then other cousins we have no resemblance to,
you know what I mean, It just depends on how.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Close you know. I think most of our family all
has similarities.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, but some of like some of them will have
like lighter eyes or something. That's what's happened in this
particular couple. Like the woman has what looks like brown
eyes and darker skin, and the guy's like a light
lighter skin person with lighter eyes, and they don't have
He has a very skinny nose and she has a
wider nose. Like I just like, look at both of them,
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and I'm like, you guys could have totally pulled this
off and nobody would have known.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'm just like, how do you get there? You just
get a family party and you're making out or something.
You're just thinking of it.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
You're just thinking of it differently, Like think about think
about Lillian and Lucia for example, like their first cousins
from Aunt Cam Cam live in Utah and we see
them once every couple of years, like they have no
relationship like that, like in every day.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yes, but the boundary, like the invisible boundary, should still
be there. I think about it with people that are
step siblings too. You know, like you're like the Brady Bunch.
You're technically not blood, but like you're being raised in
an environment that you would be. So just put the
wall up. Yeah, I guess it's bizarre. Okay, let's move
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on to Questions of the Week every Friday on that
whether knows at the Instagram account or YouTube, you guys
can ask whatever you want. As a fan of the
Kennedy family, have you read Rosemary The Hidden Kennedy Daughter
and do you have thoughts on it? I? No, I haven't.
Actually I have thoughts on it.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Believe me, I haven't read that, but maybe I will
read that because I guess you're telling me it's good
if you're asking if I've read it. We did do
a celebrity death dissection on her.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
I'm not sure how I'm going to handle the Kennedy's
in the book yet, because there's I want to keep
them all together.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
I probably will.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
But like let's say, for example, Mary Joe Kapet, she
was not considered to be a celebrity when she died.
She her name is known because because Ted Kennedy was
involved with her death, if not caused her death, right,
But that story is of interest to people who are
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Kennedy fans.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So would that go in the celebrity death book? Like, well,
if he's a celebrity, he was a senator, a politician
of society. Yeah, And if yeah, they were a celebrity
involved in the death, then yeah, yeah, Like that's what
I think.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
And I think it's the same thing with Rosemary, Like
she wasn't she wasn't famous per se, but her brother was.
And that's I mean, unfortunately, stories like hers may have
been happening with other people, which to give you, guys,
just like a brief overview is that she was considered
to be a rambunctious child and teenager that just wasn't
(50:57):
I mean, you know that the dad really wanted her
to be killed and settled down because they had a
certain image to portray to the world, and she was
just a little bit wild and decided to do an
experimental surgery on her called a lobotomy, and when she
came out of it, it was essentially botched and she
lost a lot of her mental function. It didn't kill her.
(51:19):
She lived to be an old woman, actually, but he
basically sent her away to a home and was like, okay,
you guys take care of her. And a lot of
the family members didn't know what was going on with her,
and it came as a shock as to the real
life story of what happened. And it's I mean, obviously
they had a lot of money and power, so they
(51:40):
had access to doctors that would just be willing to
do something like this to somebody.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
But so I am familiar with the story. We wrote
about it a couple years.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Ago, but I am interested in hearing more details about it,
for sure, especially if I'm going to be writing about
that in the book all.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Right too, How exactly does came answer kills someone? So
this is a good question. It could kill somebody in
a couple different ways. So number one, when you have cancer,
you have cells that are abnormal and they don't function
as regular cells.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
So if you develop let's say, for example, you develop
cancer in your pancreas, your pancreas has a certain function.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
One function is.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
To produce insulin that gets secreted into your bloodstream and
other hormones. The other is to secrete digestive enzymes that
go into the pancreatic duct that help break down your food.
When you have a tumor that is growing in the
cells that normally provide insulin for the bloodstream, those cells
(52:51):
don't work normal, they don't produce things normal, and all
of a sudden, you're going to become a diabetic just
because of that, or because of the surgery. You have
to get associated with that. So those cells could then
move over so they can metastasize, or they could spread
to let's say, for example, the liver, like the pancreas
is commonly spread to the liver. That would make you
(53:13):
a stage four cancer. So now those cells are taking
up your normal liver cells, and then your liver stops
functioning properly because there's just pancreaus tumor cells in there
that aren't functioning as the liver. So that's one reason.
Another reason is is that you could get something called
cackxia when you have cancer, which is a wasting of
(53:35):
the muscles and malnutrition, and you just so you could
die because of that. Just because of the wasting that
goes with cackxia, other things that tumors sometimes can be
very vascular because they need a lot of blood supply
to feed them, and sometimes those tumors can bleed and
(53:56):
they could cause you to bleed to death. So that's
why anytime if if you sometimes when you have colon cancer,
one of the first symptoms will be like you're going
you poop and there's blood, right, and that could definitely
be a sign of cancer. So there's times where people
bleed so bad from their tumors that it causes them
(54:16):
to essentially bleed to death. It could also it also
can increase your risk for clotting. I know that that
doesn't make sense, but you're at an increased risk of
getting pulmonary embolism and stuff. And then of course if
you're on any kind of treatments, like like we said
with surgeries, but also chemotherapy, radiation. They all carry risks too,
(54:37):
so just a combination of one or all of those
things could cause you to die from cancer.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
All right, last, would you ever consider becoming a daily show?
H would you? I would. I I'm very interested in that.
I just also at the same time, don't see how
it's possible with running the website too. Yeah, I mean
I would.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I would be interested if you actually want to hear
from us every day, because it does suck because we
cut a lot of stories and that does bum me
out because I feel like there's so many things I
always want to talk about and I'm just kind of
like there's just not enough time. And we do cover
a lot of the cut stories in the grossroom when
we do our episode in there on usually on Fridays
(55:21):
towards the end of the week. But yeah, I mean,
if if we got paid good, I would, I'd be
into it. Yeah, if it could, if it could supplement
like some other things that we have to do, But yeah,
I don't know, not right now anyway. We just right now,
I'm just like I barely have any extra time, and
(55:43):
I'm scared to take on more stuff because I don't
I don't want to be working twenty four to seven,
you know.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, even when we up to three, it was a
little bit of an adjustment. But I feel like we've
got it kind of worked out right now. But that
means we have no free time like we have been.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
We have all these stories and then it's like we
just keep meeting all these awesome people that we want
to interview. So we have a bunch of interviews coming
up in the next couple of weeks. And but I
we love it, so we want to do it more
if it's possible for sure.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, I mean, I guess the best way moving forward
is you know, you got to help you as the listeners,
have to help our show grow too by leaving us
nice reviews and subscribing to YouTube and promoting our clips
things like that, because the more the show grows, the
better we have the opportunity to do more content for
(56:38):
you guys. But right now it's just a little crazy,
so we'd like to but hopefully we'll get there one day.
All right, guys, We are going to be sponsoring to
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dark Side New Jersey in Edison doing a live show.
Please head over to Appler Spotify to leave us for review,
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subscribe to our YouTube channel, and submit stories to stories
at Mothernosdeath dot com. You know, I just realized that
we didn't talk about our event with Cheryl. Oh. Yeah,
to see it the Wildlife CSI training two minutes just okay,
it was awesome. It was awesome. We drove out there.
It was really cool. I was not expecting it, you know,
(57:21):
like you just never know what you're gonna pull up to,
and it was like really far away from us. But
the zoo was beautiful. It was so clean in there.
Apparently up till a couple of years ago it was
only a dollar to go there, which I can't even
believe how they kept up the facilities to look so nice.
The sloth was so cute. Yeah, so the presenters presented
in front of a sloth and it was being extracute
(57:42):
the entire time, and it wasn't in a cage and
it was just like hanging off branches and it just
was so cool to watch it. Yeah, we had a
really good time. The presentations were really amazing. So hopefully
we'll have both presenters on it very soon. Yes, you
guys would love both of their stories. And we all
I met some awesome people. We met Sarah from the
Gross room. We had Caroline there of course, yeah, and
(58:05):
some other listeners we have every single time we do
an event.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
It's just really awesome and great everyone that we get
to meet. So we're gonna be and it introduced us
to some new people that were like, oh, yeah, these
guys need to be on our show. So we're gonna
definitely bring you that. We'll talk about it more later though.
All Right, we'll see you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
(58:56):
media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day and The opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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a medical problem, have a medical question, or having a
medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit an urgent
care center, emergency room.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
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