November 25, 2025 • 55 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by comedian, actor, and cultural commentator Matt Rogers, who has built an unmistakable brand with Bowen Yang through their hit podcast Las Culturistas and their ever-growing list of creative ventures. Matt opens up about the evolution of the show—from its earliest segments to the fan-favorite Las Culturistas Awards—and reveals how the duo is leveling up the ceremony for the coming year, including surprise guests and new categories in the works. He also talks about his many “side quests,” his love of pop-culture, and even shares the never-before-mentioned future of “I Don’t Think So, Honey.”
Plus, Matt reflects on career shifts and the very real experience of unexpectedly soft-launching and then publicly navigating his relationship for the first time. He discusses going Instagram-official, how he and his boyfriend met, and how strange it was seeing his Instagram post go viral.
Matt also discusses his upcoming Christmas tour, hot takes (like the claim that Jaws was the first girlboss), and a few revelations he’s truly “never said before.”
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy Di Dario. Oh my god. I hope you are
ready to laugh, and I hope you're ready to smile
because my guest today is Matt Rogers, who is bringing
all the good vibes and charm to my show. Matt
is a renaissance man. He's an actor, comedian, writer, recording artist.
(00:24):
You may also know him as the co host of
the award winning podcast Las Culture Restess with Boeen Yang.
He's also dubbed the Prince of Christmas, and he dropped
his debut festive, pop dance satirical album Have You Heard
of Christmas? A couple of years ago, which is now
turning into an epic Christmas tour that kicks off in December.
(00:46):
And he's just built this really quirky and beloved holiday brand.
I am here for it, and guys, we are covering
it all, and I mean it all. We go in
eight hundred different directions with this conversation, which honestly is
exactly how I like it. So, as you were home
preparing for your Thanksgiving holidays and making that stuffing or
(01:06):
mashed potatoes, maybe that truffle Mac and cheese like I do.
And yes it is an iconic recipe. I hope this
conversation brings some joy and cheer your way. All right,
let's see if today we can get Matt to say
something that he has never said before. Matt Rogers, Hey,
(01:28):
I've been waiting for this moment with you. Like wise, actually,
we have seen each other quite a bit out and about.
It's been like just across the way, right, but we've
never actually gotten to sit down or even hug each
other and say hello.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I know, and I'm feel so warmly towards Geo. Oh,
it was so sweet when I did GMA. I think
it was early, early, early, early this year. Yeah, I
felt like immediate friendship vibe. So my extension you as well.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You're part of the family. Now you're part of going
to be adopted. Okay, great, great?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Joining your family would be really good for me.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Okay, amazing. We have no kids, but we are, I
guess in the market now.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So broken is people. I'm like, I'm like, am I okay, yeah,
you'd be fine.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, welcome to the family. I hope you like Italians
and Cubans were a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I do actually, Okay, don't threaten me with a good time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
All right, good, Oh my god, we're already starting like that.
All right, I'm here for it. Well, you were someone
I've wanted to talk to you for a while because
I so much relate to you in the sense that
you are this renaissance man. You do it all. I
mean you do it all, and I feel like every
time I see you, there's a new project or you're
(02:41):
in a new category of entertainment, and you just you
always surprise me with what you're doing next, which I
think is really cool. So when you think of everything
you've achieved, what is something that you're super proud of
or the most proud of.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, what's funny is it's like I never really
considered myself that early on, or I never saw anything
like that playing out for me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Thought, oh, one thing, we'll catch on, And I think
I had a sense that it wasn't going to be
easy no matter what it was. So you throw a
lot of shit at all the walls, and I guess
I was lucky, whether it was I found out I
was acceptably good at one of those things or a
few of those things, or I was just surrounded by
(03:25):
people who made me better at all of those things.
Had so much access to people that you know, were
so talented that by extension through them, I could develop
these talents. But in terms of what makes me most proud,
it's hard to pick one or the other, because there's
the Christmas stuff, which I get to flex certain muscles,
(03:48):
like musical muscles, which really makes me so happy. But
then there's also the podcast, and I can't ignore how
proud I am of the community that we've built and
how how that just seems like something that naturally developed
out of me and Bowen's comedic chemistry. So I guess
in terms of in terms of what I'm most proud of,
(04:10):
it's probably that in that community and that that I
guess not to be gross, but like that brand that
we've built that seems to be around like queer joy
and lifting people up and letting people know when they've
done something that's like culturally significant that moved us. And
so there are those two things, and then there's also
(04:31):
you know the fact that I got to be in
the movie Fire Island like for something like that, Like
that's like it's like a really like lasting I just
watched the movie because I was showing it to someone
who hadn't seen it, and it just felt like, Wow,
I'm really proud of that. So I'm lucky because there's
several different things that I could point to and be like,
(04:53):
that makes me really really proud. Yeah, but process of elimination,
I would say the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Podcast, Well, and I feel like You've had so many
pinch me moments throughout the course of your career. Obviously,
it seems like Fire Island was one of them. Never
imagining you could be a part of something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think I could imagine it. It was like I could,
I could believe that we were doing it. But then
when people responded to it in the way that they did,
and it became this thing that actually it felt like
the gay community was supporting instead of tearing up yep,
because they will do that nine times out of ten.
That to me was the special thing about it. I
was like, when I watched it, you know, the first time,
(05:30):
I kind of went into dysmorphic shock because I had
never seen myself in a movie and it was just weird.
It's like a weird thing when you watch yourself doing
this weird meta movie that you shot with your friends
and now other people are seeing it. So the first
time was a lot, and then the second time I
was really emotional because I'm like, I have a feeling
this could be kind of a classic for gay people,
(05:54):
whether you've been to Fire Island or not. And I
think in my recent rewatch of it, like I'm even
more proud. It was really the impact of it that
surprised me. I could believe that we were fucking around
making it, but then I was like, I could not
believe that people embraced it and still revisit it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, it's like one of those things.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's what's so cool.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, it's like a cult favorite. Now people love turning
it on and it's part of their rotation and it's
so cool to see that. And what I love about
you is I'm very much believe that we shouldn't be
put in boxes, and people try all the time to
put us in boxes, right, whether it's professionals or colleagues
or friends or whoever. Right, So I love that for you,
(06:35):
you kind of keep going in all these different lanes.
What would you say, ties everything together with what you do?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think that fun ties everything together, because that's really
what I think my purpose is, I suppose is to
create fun and little bursts of positive energy where I
go and just, I don't know, make people feel better
than they did before, or make spaces better or lighter
after I've interacted with it then before.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And so.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I feel really lucky that I actually have fun doing
all of these projects that I'm out here promoting. I
know that's not always the case for everybody. I feel
bad for people, and you know, I can tell when
it's true because I have some experience, you know, feeling
like a part of a press circuit for people, and
you can tell when someone is just clocked in to
(07:27):
something that they're obligated to promote. I never feel like that.
Every single time I'm talking about something, I'm like, oh,
I'm doing this with my friend or I'm part of this,
like for example, with Palm Royal coming out, I will
talk about it as long as anyone wants to talk,
because I can't believe I got to have that experience,
(07:48):
and I'm really fortunate that that happens a lot. So
I'm just followed the fun and follow my opportunities to
where they are, and I think that word fun is
what I'm trying to center.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, well, it's probably one of the many reasons why
you're so successful is you genuinely have so much joy
and what you do. You're not phoning it in, You're
not going through the motions.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Really fake stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I'm very hard for me. Yeah, what's your back?
You're not Italian?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
No, but I was around a lot of Italians growing up.
I am Roman Catholic from Long Island. Okay, so I'm
from the south shore of Long Island, and it was
a very Italian energy.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, Greek agreed, Even that was.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
More like we weren't really like my My grandmother took
us to go see my big fat Greek wedding and
she was like, oh, my culture, our culture. I was like, kinda,
I kind of feel like we caused play Italian more.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I get that a lot. But the allive tones of
my skin are not anything but I guess like Greek.
But then I did take a twenty three in me
and it was like your Turkish Actually, oh so sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Grandma, Okay, you weren't Greek. Grandma might not like Greek.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh no, she would have hated that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh god. Yeah, all right, well I can tell you
grew up though with people that either were Italian or
because it is a very direct way to be big personality,
can't fake it, wear our emotions on our sleeves. And
you strike me as having all of those characteristics.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's a lot. It's like, it's like, it's it's all
of that being true. I'm also a triple water sign,
which if you know, you know, if you carry your
care double Pisces cancer moon who stuff cried a lot
at wicked and like all day because of whatever. But
(09:35):
then there's also the idea that I was, like, you know,
a gay child who was repressed, who had performer instincts
but never could indulge in them until I was older.
So there was a lot in me that wanted to
that like was coming out or wanted to come out.
And then unfortunately they gave me a podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well thank god they gave you a podcast, an award
winning podcast. I mean, who doesn't love loves culture resist
it is so epican.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You a certain swav some gay men on the internet.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well, we don't need to care about that. We don't
need to care about that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That is the answer to your question.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, fair, but whatever Irrelevantga well that's probably true too,
That's probably true. Okay, Well let's ignore that for a minute.
Who doesn't love it? Nobody? Right, everybody, like, please, I
haven't heard of anyone. Everybody loves it. It's so epic.
You began it in twenty sixteen, right, yeah, And I
imagine that when you're starting a show, and I know
(10:26):
when you're starting a show, it takes a lot of work,
a lot of grit to find its footing, build the audience.
Most podcasts fail, people quit, they launch it six months later,
you never see it again. So what kept you going
in those early years when you and Bowen were like,
is this going to work out? Is it not going
to work out?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think the fact that we never asked that question
because we just assumed it wouldn't. It was March twenty sixteen.
I think we started talking about doing it like in
late twenty fifteen, and I didn't have any idea of
the podcast thing, landscape or industry. I literally I remember
saying to Bowen like, are we really going to start
a podcast? Now? It feels like they're over like and
(11:02):
then thank god we didn't listen to that voice, because
I remember literally being like, didn't Mark Maron already do
the best podcast, Like there's a podcast where people go
do this thing, Like what could we do that would
be different? And we like rifled through some ideas of
what the podcast could be. Bowen wanted to do, like
a choose your own adventure podcast that would have been
(11:23):
like kind of scripted and complicated, and I was like,
we could always just sit and talk and not have
any segments. And we had kind of arrived in the middle,
which was there would be some segments, you know, the
rules of culture. We used to do with one called
the Culture of the Week, and our bit was that
it was always something Disney related that was like the
joke when this podcast was like kind of fully a joke,
(11:47):
and then there was I don't think so, honey. So
we started doing it really sporadically. I remember we used
to say, oh, we owe them an episode a lot
in the early days. It was not weekly. It was
just kind of us shooting having fun. And then lo
and behold, during one of our first live shows, I
was like, oh wait, there's like an audience here. It
wasn't just the sixty people who had been listening on
(12:10):
I guess I could see the metrics and the really
initial days, I was like, wow, that's like all our
friends plus a couple other people. Awesome, And then it
just kind of developed from there. And now I think
that would be incredibly hard to do just start a podcast,
you know, to nobody's twenty six years old in New
York with a mattress on the wall. The landscape is
(12:33):
so different now you kind of do have to be
like an A list star to stand out. And they're
all getting the podcasts. So I'm really grateful that it
started when it did, and that we started it with
the intention of no one listening to it, because I
think that established our real dynamic as the center of
the podcast, and that's why people might.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Like it one hundred percent. And yes, to your point,
people are getting the shows, but they're not maintaining them.
It takes a lot of discipline and hard work to
keep a show going, as you know.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, it's harder than people think, I think, just to
keep a schedule and maintain the quality and beyond yeah yeah,
you know what I mean, Like being honest, a lot
of energy.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, all the time. Yeah, but you're doing it, and
it's so hard because you've had so many great guests.
And I hate when I get the question of who's
your favorite, because I don't have a favorite. Everyone offers
something so different. But was there a moment or a
guest that surprised you that's just like etched into your brain?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I think the Actually we were talking about this the
other day. One of the first big stars that we
had on the podcast was pad Malakshmi. I remember she
had tweeted out sort of condemning Louis c K at
the time when it initially came out that he had
harassed women. And she popped off on Twitter and listed
(13:50):
a bunch of like up and coming queer comedians that
actually she felt were deserving of the attention that he
would get, and she listed me and Bowen, And that
was such a wild thing to have happened, because I
was like, how does she know what the podcast is?
How would she know? How would she even know to
tag her handles like, but she really did do it.
(14:11):
And so Bowen and I hosted actually a charity fundraiser
for Vulture that she produced with Vulture, and she she
like put on and presented got to know her a
little bit because she had asked all those comedians that
she listed to do this charity show. So we had
this great night and connected with her and she came
in to do the podcast and that was the first
(14:32):
like big a list star that we had do the podcast.
I made his Padma and she showed up to our
little hole in the wall studio with a bottle of
Voove and like a full black catsuit and was like,
I thought we were gonna be in front of an
audience and I was like, no, it's like just us.
We're in like hoodies. She's the great And then she
popped open the champagne. We drank champagne and did the
(14:55):
episode and it's called Big Gay Iconography. It came out
now like I guess, like I don't know, like seven
years ago. And whenever I see Padma now we have
a thing. We have like a rapport and I'll always
have like a warm spot in my heart for her
because she called us out like that to do this
great positive thing and then came to the podcast and
(15:15):
was so cool. And I miss her On Top Chef.
I love Kristen Kish, but I miss there is no
other Potma.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
No, yeah, she and she is one of the most
breath taking humans I've ever seen in my life, Like
it's ridiculous. I was out Indo Sheen having dinner one
night and she came in and I guess she has
a booth there and sat down. I looked behind me
and I'm like, I might be straight crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, she's like a gorgeous, stunning like specimen. And I
remember she also is that kind of energy and presence
where she's immediately so like you feel like warm and gooey.
She really is. She's like a She's like a luxurious
bath at a Four Seasons. That's the energy is just
like so warm and cozy and like you drop your
(15:54):
shoulders around, Podna.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I love that your description of cozy is a luxurious
bath at the Four Seasons. I know everything about you now.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, here's the thing, that's what I would imagine. I've
never taken a luxurious bath of the Four Seasons. But
I'm also and I've also never like been Podma, So
this is what I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I'm just saying I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, I was blanket like like Egyptian cotton, and what's
not enough?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
What's so great about that? Stories? You do never know
who's listening, listening or watching yeah, right, and that's like
such a cool thing. And and fast forward to all
these years later, you know, have an award show that
you created, this like satirical award show.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was also a joke in the beginning, like everything
else that tends to pay off. Really, yeah, it was.
We literally made a joke about it, like I think
maybe it was like a light pop culture week or something,
and Bowen and I we didn't have a guest book,
so we came up with the idea to just randomly
make nominations and categories and sort of as a joke,
like read them like they do on nominations morning for
(16:51):
the Oscars, just because we think it's a funny bit.
And then about three episodes later, we were like, Okay,
the awards are not happening. They're canceled, you know, a
joke because it was never gonna happen. Then Lincoln Center
reached out with the opportunity for us to do a
show free show in the summer, summer in the city
it was called and we were like, oh, maybe let's
do the Cultural Awards. Just book some of our friends
(17:13):
to come present awards quote unquote, maybe get some celebrities
to send in videos as acceptance speeches and see if
our listeners are readers as it were, want to come.
And then they did and it was wild. It felt
the energy was really a thing. And then suddenly, out
(17:34):
of this joke that we made, this offhand thing was
a running annual show and within four years, which was
last year, it got on Bravo and Peacock.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's incredible, and it got announced you're doing it again
next year.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It did.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It did like, Okay, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Amazing, incredible, And honestly, I expect nothing because I have
had a really interesting career up to this point. Because
I've had and I really like it this way where
I get to do a lot of different things. But
what that means is that things don't get renewed. Like
I was on this show called I Love That for
You on Showtime, had a great experience, didn't get renewed.
(18:19):
I was on this show on Netflix, No Good Deed
Love a great experience, Thank You, didn't get renewed. It
was kind of always supposed to be a limited season series.
But I do a lot of one off things, and
I also have like the podcast where it's a lot
of different kinds of experiences. So meeting a lot of
different kinds of people, and then suddenly Christmas comes around
(18:40):
and I'm doing this fake pop star bit, which has
become weirdly real because now I'm at Terminal five doing
a full ass show.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
With a band going on tour.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah. And so it's these little jokes that I planned
and make on myself that then grow and, as I guess,
connected to the fun of it all because I am
genuinely having fun doing it. And I remember reading an
Amy Poehler's book years ago, if you're having fun, They're
gonna have fun, yeah, which is such a simple thing.
So I try to just infuse that in everything that
I do. That being said, there are a lot of
(19:12):
those little things. You know, Bowen has a totally different
experience than me. He's been in his same job for
seven years. Yeah, of course he does other things, but
I don't have that constant outside of just the podcast
that's been my constant, and then these things that I
get to return to whenever I get to, like the
Award Show or or the Christmas Project.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, that's what makes it so special, the fact that
your constant did turn into this full on award show
that you get to do again. I'm bravo m Peacock
and it's for the world to see. Is so incredibly epic.
How are you leveling it up this time?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, the fact that people will know what it is
will be huge because A, I have to say, I
love all my publicists out there. You're just you're all
incredible at like and truly, everyone fights for their clients
so much, and like, I know how hard it is
to do what they do to really please people. And
(20:07):
also make sure that you're not putting your client in
like a position where they'll look stupid or they'll say
something they shouldn't say, especially now where things are so
scrutinized and over scrutinized on the internet. But it was
hard to explain to people, like it's a comedy special
disguise is an award show. It's a joke. You're gonna win,
(20:27):
but it's not real, Like you can't take the trophy home.
We're gonna write the copy for you. It is all
a joke, but also dressed like it's a real award show.
It's committed to like a real thing. Step by step,
it will feel like a real award show taping. It's
not you know what I mean. Yeah, So now that
we have something like we literally have the show to
(20:48):
show for itself, we can literally book our cast earlier
because that was the big challenge was we didn't have
a cast because people weren't confirming, so we couldn't really
write our show. And we got there and I'm so
proud of every single element of it. But it will
be easier next year, and that idea that we're gonna
(21:10):
have time to prepare it will will give us our
opportunity to really make sure it's great. So now we
just sit back and see what happens in pop culture
that we can the piss out of.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the category that you and Bowen
are fully championing and love even if we don't really
get why or what it is? What's one you love?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean there's a few. So I think one of
my favorites that made it into the show this year
was best Batman Woman. I just liked the way it
sounds Best Batman Woman, Like like, it just makes me
happy to think about because as gay as like, the
Batman women are the reason for the season, you know,
Poison Ivy about all the catwoman's and we love them all.
(21:53):
It's about doctor Chase Meridians, you know what I mean,
Like we know that that was a huge part of
my awakening as a queer person, and was going into
the Blockbuster and going over to the Batman Forever VHS
and seeing Nicole Kimmens like Veronica hair on the cover
and the way that she like the noir way. She
got a bunch of blankets and went to the window
and Val Kilmer came in and there was this tension
(22:16):
between them. It was so gay and so best Batman
woman that being a part of the show. I remember,
we just tossed out some nominees and I made one up, Robin.
It's not Robin, He's not nominated. Not Batman's Robin. It's
actually Robin with a y who's the Riddler's assistant. And
then when I realized Kristin Wig was going to be
(22:37):
available for the show and she could potentially create this
new character, we pitched it to her and she liked
the idea. So this dumb idea I had that was
connected to something from I think all of our queer childhoods.
If you're if you are a certain type of queer
That then became an excuse for Kristin Wig to do
an original character and like kind of start our show
(22:59):
because it was very early on in the show that
was that was really cool. So that might be my
favorite category right now.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I would say it's so good. It's poison Ivy was
my personal to one, like, loved me some poison Ivy.
I can't argue with you. So good?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, I mean had Uma said yes, maybe we would
have had Christ to do something else.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
In the spirit of let's culturistas, what is your ultimate
rule of culture?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The ultimate rule of culture? Actually, I have one and
I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again.
Jaws was the first girl boss.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I need more, I need more.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Jaws was a woman. Okay, people don't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Is that confirmed?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Okay, I never heard that, but okay, well I can confirm. Okay, great, great.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Everyone's like because you know, it's it's pop culture history
that the shark that like played Jaws was a shark
named Bruce. That's like Steven Spielberg lore. But that's just
the prop that they were using. Canonically in the movie.
The character of Jaws was a woman, wow, and she
(24:18):
was uncompromising and getting what she wanted. She was gonna
eat the girls. You know what I'm saying. It's like
she was in her industry, the apex predator. She was
number one. She was essentially Oprah of the seas. Wow,
Jaws was the Opra of the seas. That's another way
to say the rule of culture, like Jaws was the
first girl boss. I believe that's real culture number six.
(24:39):
Another way you could say it is Jaws was the
Opra of the seas, and she was an icon and
cinema history, cinema history like it's like Hannibal Lecter, you know,
the guy, my guy from Psycho Norman Bates and Jaws.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, she her. That's I feel so blessed to now
look at Oprah in a different way because I will
always think of Jaws when I think of Oprah.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They were both. They will a lot of people wanted
Oprah to run for president, like Jaws was like the
most powerful political figure in the season as well, because
you have to understand, just by sheer size that creates
a hierarchy. No one was stepping to her. So I
(25:26):
think we see now what happens when when a dominant
political voice arrives, Like people just really start to follow,
and many fish followed her. That's actually how they travel
in schools of fish.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So yeah, thank you for that. Thank you. I feel
really good to know that now, and I don't disagree
at all. That was a really eye opening point. You
will be better for having the I already feel better.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's just I just don't want to erase the fact
that Jaws was a woman.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
We will never forget. Yeah, we will never forget. This
is one of the many reasons why people love your
sho It's.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Why do you think because of crazy bullshit like that?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yes, yes, there's so many things and the I don't
think so, honey. I mean that is that is probably
like the number one thing people associate.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Do you want to know what Bowen just said to
me the other day? He goes, do you think in
the new year we should not do I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Why would he ever say that?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's breaking news. I've never said that before.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, like, why would he say that?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I think?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Are you both over it?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
There are? Actually, you know what, I've refallen in love
with the form because when we first started doing it,
I was like, oh, yeah, this is like a way
to give energy at the end of the episode. I
actually liked it. We did not invent a sixty second rant.
And now people are like say about other podcasts, like
you guys rip that off. Last Culturalistas. To be clear,
none of us are original. It's a one minute rant
(26:46):
on something in Papulchill like this has been done. Now
when it's like they'll say things like certain podcasts have
things like this is my you know, it's something that's
like very similar to I Don't Think So honey, Like
it's like no, no Baby. It's like, okay, I'm that
he no No Baby might be a ripoff, but you know,
we started doing it and it was exciting in the beginning,
(27:08):
and we would do live shows around that. We used
to do I Don't Think So Honey live. We'd have
like fifty comedians all on stage. We called the Gay
Bonnaroo back in the day. You should look at some
of our set lists now with the names that are on.
It was like Iowa, Deboray, Rachel Senate Patty Harrison and
Julio Torres like me Bowen, like everyone all on the
same show. It was cool. Padma did it once, you know,
(27:31):
just like so then I was like really enthusiastic about it,
and then as the podcast went on, you're kind of
just like, Okay, I'm running out of shit to do
because the guests come in and they just do one
bowen and I have done hundreds of I don't think
so Honey's and even an opinionated person would run out
of shit to say.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It's a long time to talk.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
By the way, it's a long time, but I can
do it, and like it does go quicker than you think,
but I think I take for granted, like all of
our guests that come in are panicked about it, and
I'm like, I get it. It's like it because it
seems like it's going to be a but once you
start going, yeah, have you have the energy, you have
the time.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Do you really plan them and prep them or do
you do them off the.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Cow because I got really sick of doing it, like
I said, But now that we are on social media
more like we finally started posting social clips and we
finally started like recording the majority of our episodes, I'm like, okay,
it's an opportunity. So I've started to prepare a little
bit more. And it is, you know, it is a
succinct way to get some feelings across. Jeff Probes knows
(28:33):
how I feel about him right now, or he doesn't,
which is also fine, but he could.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Know if I gave you one right now. Could you
do it a topic?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
If you gave me a topic, Yeah, we used to
do this all the time. But I had something called
if you didn't, if you had the live shows, if
you didn't have a topic, I would have you pick
out of the troll bowl, which was all topics that
I had chosen and Bowen had chosen. That would be
incredibly hard to do. And I don't think so many
about like Princess Diana.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Oh my god. Well, I'm not gonna give you a
hard one. I'm gonna give you a broad one, just
saying you could and hard. So now you're challenging me
to give you a hot pick out.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Of the troll bowl of your mind and give me it.
I don't think so, honey, And then we'll.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
What I was gonna give you was just the theme
of Christmas. And you can say whatever you want. But
that feels easy. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Money Christmas, you are too fucking much. It's enough. Also,
fall does not have its moment anymore, you've completely robbed it.
Christmas starts on October fifteenth for some of the craziest
people in America. I don't think so, honey, if you
are engaging with Christmas content before Halloween and you are
literally out there and it's not a thing of like,
I just love Christmas, No, you just love I guess
(29:41):
being annoying attention like it's it's annoying, it's it's and
I'll tell you what it's. Because I don't think so, honey,
that falls disappearing so much. I can't even get a
pumpkin beer in this city, which is and it's why
I moved here, you know what I mean. I don't
think so honey, that like fall is completely gone. They
were in Vegas the other day. They tried to give
(30:02):
me a stout. I said, this is a Christmas beer.
I don't think so honey. Even you Mariah, it's too much.
I understand that it's a big industry for you around
this time of year. I participated in the industry. I
think it's never too early technically to stream. Have you
heard of Christmas? You can do it in May, June, July.
But I don't think you are necessarily needing to rub
(30:23):
that off on other people. Keep it to yourself. I
don't think so, honey, Christmas in December.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yes, oh my god, yes, yes, yes, yes, I feel
like I need to go home and just lay down
after that. Yes, so that was I'm hot, I'm sweating,
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm but this is what I do, you know what
I mean? So, like that's me and Bowen, like we
do that and it's kind of in our bones now,
and the guest I have to go there like I
want to jump off a bridge, right, like every single
guest we've had over the past like year, after we
do ours, it's like watching a little baby get on
a roller coaster. It's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no
no no, And then that you have fun after That's
(31:03):
actually literally what it's like. That was getting a little
roller coaster and doing the ride, letting it happen, and
then afterwards you feel you fork you want to get
on again.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Well, I just had a spiritual awakening. Thank you. I'm happy,
thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I was hoping that someone would happen.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yes, that was so good. This is all of the
things you do. You're right, But to your point, earlier.
It's joy, it's happiness, and that's why people are loving
all the different lanes you're in even today with Jenna
and Friends. Right like you go on you co host
that show, and people all over the internet are like,
we need him to be the permanent co host. That's nice,
(31:40):
we need him in that chair full time. You've seen
that you've had to, I've.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Definitely seen people being being really kind and supportive, and
that's obviously like I look at it like I look
at it like I'm going to work, you know what
I mean. Like when I get the opportunity to go
in there to co host, I want to go do
the job of co host. And so it's been so
fun to go the times that I've gone, and I
really genuinely love her. I was texting with her yesterday
(32:06):
because I was having kind of a hard day and
she just like is so easy to talk to and
she's just really real person and it's it's funny like
she has been obviously someone I've known about since I
was a little kid, because you know, she was the
first granddaughter and then the first daughter and everyone had,
(32:27):
you know, a lot to say about her and the
media way back when and I'm just really impressed by
how she's grown into such an amazing leader at that show.
And there's so many incredible women at that show. And
you know, gay men and some straight allies, some like
you know, but it's mostly these incredible women now at
that show that make you feel so held and so
(32:48):
warm and so supported. So I jump at any chance
to go there and be around her and her team.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Would you ever want something like that full time?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I guess if they were to like engage with me
in that way, I would see consider it. But the
thing is, I don't look at it like an audition.
I don't because I just don't think. I don't think
they're gonna ask, So I just look at it like
a really fun opportunity to do to case play as
that for a while, because it's like you said, I
(33:16):
look at all these things as like, yeah, let's throw
things at the wall and see what sticks.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
So it's just one another one of those things that
I get to do that I have so much fun doing.
I'm not there to gun for that job, and I
get why it's maybe fun for people to think of
it like it's a competition between the guest hosts that
are going in there, But for me, it's just like
an opportunity to hang out with her and genuinely to
(33:42):
like have fun cosplaying in that job.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, that's why you do your best work. That's why
it's natural and fun and engaging because you can go
in and just be yourself and not think about all
those things that probably other people do you think about,
and it's very it's very natural and fun to watch
you create all these viral moments like Halloween when you
guys did Double Wares product, all.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
The makeup and costume people.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You nailed it. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It was just me deepening my voice a little bit
and wearing the clothes and the bald cap. They it
was unreal. And it was actually the special effects, hair
and makeup team from SNL Man that we're putting me
in that, and so I felt really kind of honored
to have them put a bald cap on me because
you know, they're so good at what they do, and
(34:26):
also they've worked with Bowen for years, like they had
just put him in full Dobby Giche yeah, right like
three weeks before.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It was so good and it created this viral moment
and it was so fun to watch. I feel like
I always see you in these viral moments every time
I opened my Explore page, including this last week breaking
the internet with your little soft launch of your relationship.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
We'll say I wasn't even really trying to soft lunch.
I think I was just like, yeah, like, I'm going
to post these pictures from Bravo Khan, and it just
so happened that me and Fraser took what I thought
was the best picture out of the ones I was posting.
It felt like that one should be first. And yeah,
I'm having a really really great time with him. He's
(35:08):
such a wonderful person.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You seem happy, and that's what matters, and it's nice
for people. I think people. I think the excitement over
social media and the articles that were coming out. We're
also yes, there's always a gossip side, but I think
people genuinely are invested in you and your happiness because
they've been following you for a while and you have
him pretty private about your dating life over the years.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, I think that especially because by the way, that's
that's nice that if people are interested in they're they're
I'll take it as a as a good thing.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
It's been hard to watch the podcast grow and have
a sort of The tone in the beginning was we're
very honest about our lives, and that meant I was
talking about my boyfriends, whoever they were, whoever I was dating.
I talk a lot about my sex life. I talk
a lot about what I feel about romance. I'm pretty candid,
(36:07):
and some of my exes did not like being you know,
depicted on the podcast. And I had one relationship and
really badly and it came it just like, you know,
I'm sensitive to sharing information about other people. When it's
about me, it's whatever, right, But when it's about other people,
(36:28):
I'm like, that's when it's it's hard. And so it
gets weird to share intimate details about your personal life,
even though people are used to that from you when
you're in Now, what's kind of a weird mixed company,
because I know that the podcast is big enough where
not everyone is listening because they love me or because
(36:51):
they are rooting for me. I want the best. Some
people are just like you know, casual listeners who you know,
information that's really personal to me, and to other people
that would you know, perhaps compromise something they didn't want
out there is something I have to think about and
you know it, Like, for example, I like sharing things
(37:11):
about my life with people that follow me. I did
not share a picture, and I will never. I will
never share a picture of me and someone else so
that it can be reported in outlets. Right, I don't
want that, but I do, like enjoy so many people
in my life and I want to share that. So
it's like an interesting walk.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, and the picture you shared, you weren't thinking, like
to your point, this is my launch, this is my lafe.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I mean I figured, like maybe are people that were
mutual fans of mine and his because this also is
my first time like really engaging with another like I
guess public figure in that way. It sounds so annoying
and gross to talk about, but you kind of get it,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
When when people can talk about something, some of them
will and so it's it's just new for me.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, but yes.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes, wasn't looking for just Jared reports. But I understand
why it happened.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and does a party you feel good that it's
out there? Like were you hiding it for you or
keeping it for you?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Or I wasn't hiding it at all. I don't even
think about I don't want to be someone that thinks
about like and when strategically would be it's like, I
just want to like, I want to be casual and yeah,
so and we are. We had been everywhere together for
about three months before it went to the internet, and
no one cared. And I'm sure no one will care
(38:37):
in seconds or if they don't care already, that's one
hundred percent great. But yeah, I mean, I don't know,
I adore this guy. He should he would be on
my Instagram anyway. Yeah, everyone that I adore is on
my Instagram.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Like I I'm really really blessed with the people that
I have in my like close friends, Like I probably
have like ten people eleven twelve people that I would
trust with everything, which makes me really happy and lucky. Yeah,
and they show up in the reflection of my life
that is the Instagram page.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a beautiful thing. And it's
a beautiful thing when you find your tribe and you
keep it close and you know your friends, meet who
you're dating and like and everyone gets along. It's a
really beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah. And that's really been the case too, which is
another like huge relief, you know what I mean, Like
all you want is for everyone that you like and
even love to gel. Yeah, and that's that's good.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
As a big Bravo fan, did you ever imagine you'd
be dating someone in the.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Bravo In fact, at the very beginning, I was like, oh,
that's a thing. You know, before you engage with people,
you obviously see who they are. And we did. We
did start talking on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You might say too much about this, but like, yeah,
you met on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
We started talking on Instagram, like I actually, you know, yeah,
so it happened there. And of course then you can
judge someone by their Instagram presence, and you know, when
you see someone is also a public figure or on
a reality show, et cetera. Of course there's you know,
little things you think. But then when you meet a
person and they're lovely, yeah, it doesn't matter what they do. Yeah,
(40:15):
it just becomes a thing. And also I think it's
kind of nice sometimes too. You look for things you
have in common, and I think we haven't in common.
Stuff that's related to being people that are potentially perceived
or followed.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, Geo and I met on Instagram. Did you. We did.
We did I put into his DM.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
That was a good DM.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
It was a good DM slide. We went on a
date like a week later, and April will be ten
years married.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That is incredible. You guys are It's Is it weird
now in the year twenty twenty five to be like
a couple of goals? No?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I still love hearing.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, you guys are a couple of goals. I mean
I you guys are. It's sort of like you guys
could too, like a college course on how to look
hot on vacation. Oh god, you really should look into that.
I think n Yu Gallaton, would.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
You think so? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I think I think that you could. We could do.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
What are the perimeters, I'm not sure I know what
they are?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
You just kind of you would that is what you
would have.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I have to come up with them.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
You'd have to come up with the curriculum. It got it? Okay, listen,
like I'm just saying, it's sort of it's worth studying.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Okay, good to know. Good tonight.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I would have taken the class.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I'm going to work on that and if you don't
show up for that class, I'm going to be pissed.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'll re enroll as it were.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Thank you, thank you, well God, can you imagine? Hey Tommy,
how was work today? Well, we're going to do a class.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I'm going to be the only student. Yeah. Take
that with what you will.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, it'll be great. I am obsessed with this new
chapter for you. I love love. I'm a sucker for love.
I think it's great when there's visibility of gay men
showing healthy forms of that out there, right, and not
that we all like walk around living our life purposefully
doing that, but I just I still think we live
in a day and age where it's not the norm,
(42:02):
and I love seeing. Like my reaction when I saw
that was just like good for you, like cool, Like
I hope you're happy. I hope you continue to be happy,
and let's see where it all goes for you, and
nothing but good vibes.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I am happy, And thank you for saying that and
for for being that type of person, because so many
people aren't. And I do get it, Like I get
it's so easy to get on the internet and dunk
on people who are, you know, sharing things or being vulnerable.
It's just so boring. I know, it's just it's not interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I think it's more interesting to be like supportive, and
you know, I just feel like every single thing that's
positive in my life is from positive community, is from
being surrounded by people who encourage you to be all
of yourself and the best version of yourself. And so,
I don't know, thanks for being one of those people.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I got you hard. The internet, I know it does,
but I and trust me, we see it from a
lot of I'm sure you don't. Gay people on social
as well sometimes say the most hurtful things about your relationship,
and which is crazy to me. That's a whole other
episode we can dive into. Yeah, so that's.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
The college course. Will we'll well, well someone else will
teach it. Yeah, we can do a guest panel.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like a guest panel. I love it, just a little
a little peak because we haven't talked about enough things
and I feel like we've been all over the map today.
I have to bring up your Christmas show as the
Prince of Christmas is it self proclaimed Prince of Christmas
or where you deemed Prince of Christmas.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
By like Kerry or can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Does she call you that?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
No? I would never bother her with my bullshit. In fact,
she came on the podcast and I had like a
full Santa hat on, and I was like so excited,
and people, the readers that listen to my podcast, which
is what we call them, they were like, why didn't
you bring up that you're the Prince of Christmas to
the Queen of Christmas. I was like, guys, understand, like,
I'm not rolling the dice on this, like I can't.
(43:53):
All I wanted to do was exalt her in that
hour we had with her and talk about like how
she wrote the song the Roof, Like I am not
gonna waste one second of the precious time I have
with one of the greatest artists of all time to
be like, you know, I'm the Prince of Christmas. Like
she'd be like huh, because no, I don't think she knows,
(44:15):
and that is capital F fine mm hmmm. I Also,
I would be nervous if she did engage with it, because.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Like if she just gave you a blank stare and
just shut you down.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Feeling terrible, well, at the end of our recording with her,
I had brought this little cassette tape that I had.
It was Mariah and Boys to Men one Sweet Day,
and I'm telling you, it was like a vintage cassette
tape and I hope that she would sign it. And
after the podcast ended, it went well enough where I thought, Okay,
I'm gonna have her signed the cassette, and so I
(44:48):
handed her the cassette and as she was signing it, unfortunately,
my anxiety took over and I just started talking about
the cassette. Yeah, I've had that since I was like
like six years old, and I remember actually one I
was little, I had to have an MRI taken. And
when you have an MRI taken, they let you listen
to music, so because you know, you're in the mooth
for a while, and she's like signing it looking at me,
(45:08):
like what are you talking about? She's like, I was like,
it's not a big deal. I just had a syst
in my nose. I needed to get removed. But unfortunately
I was moving and grooving so much to your songs
because I enjoy your music so much that I had
to do the MRI again, and so I actually had
to take a second MRI, and eventually I had the surgery,
but it wasn't until years later and she's looking at
me like.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
What.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
So, yeah, it's good that I didn't bring up my
Christmas stuff for her, because had she given me a
look similar to that one, I would have melted. I
would have died.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You would have stopped the Christmas brand entirely.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I couldn't believe. I was like, thank god I did
this after the podcast and not before, because she would
have been like, we got to get the fuck out
of here, like there's no way.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Well, okay, self proclaimed Prince of Christmas. I love it.
I love that you did this satirical album a few
years ago, and that gives pipes. By the way you sing,
thank you you sing. So let's be very clear about that.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I work hard on it just because I think it's
funnier when it sung.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Well. No, it's sung very well, and people loved it
and connect to it. And now you're doing a tour.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, so I've basically the development and change the metamorphosis
of the show is kind of wild because I did
it for the first time in twenty seventeen just because
I wanted to put up a show and I thought
it would be so funny to pretend I was a
pop star with an album that was the Prince of Christmas,
(46:31):
sort of satirizing the idea of like the way pop
stars will release a Christmas album not because they love Christmas,
but because they want the money and to be part
of that industry. Sort of inspired by Mariah's ubiquity and
a queendom of Christmas, very directly inspired by that and
all pop stars that are like, I love Christmas and
have a record for you to buy. The bit being
(46:53):
that my album didn't exist and it was just this
craven attempt to be seasonally ubiquitous, but we loved doing
it so much, and the people that came to the
show sort of then knew the songs every year, and
I kept doing it until it grew into an actual album,
So I kind of long conned myself. The special which
(47:13):
is on taking a Deep Breath show Time with Paramount
Plus Exhausted. And Yeah, now the tour, which this is
the third year in ROW I've been doing like bigger venues,
like last year we sold out Webster Hall. We're going
to play Terminal five.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
It's amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It's it's it's really fun to just know that you
had any bit payoff. Yeah, Like as a comedian. It's
like when the Bit there's nothing better than when the
Bit lands, and the fact that the Bit lands every year,
it's like a recurring.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
And getting bigger and bigger and bigger every year. So
this kicks off December third, December third, and how can
people get tickets?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Matt Rodgersoficial dot com or you can go to Instagram
and there's a link in the bio, as there tends
to be for these types of things. It's really a fun,
dumb night. It doesn't take itself an ounce of seriously.
Imagine if it did. But what I do take seriously
is like how how well we perform it? Like the
(48:15):
band is incredible. It's still Henry Koperski is my musical director,
who was my boyfriend at the time we started writing
it together in twenty seventeen. We are now not boyfriends,
but we are super close friends and his current boyfriend
is my tour manager. Amazing, so we keep it in
the family.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, it is. It is perfectly incestuous, good for in
a holiday way.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Well, everyone needs to go get drunk and watch you.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And haven't don't Well unless you are a sober person,
well then don't do that. Don't relapse at the show relapse.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
After Thank you for that message. We needed that disclaimer.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I don't want to be the reason for the relapse.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, no, never, But if you're going to relapse, like
it happens so I could love you more, I don't
think I could. And as I sit here and knowing
we got to wrap this up, I don't even know
how long we've been talking, it's been two hours.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
You know. It's funny. I'm so happy that we didn't
get to the question that like promised, because which is
I've never said.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
This, Oh we're getting there now, we are?
Speaker 2 (49:17):
We are because I've said it literally everything before.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
If I haven't, let's think about something.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
If I haven't said something, though it's I I said it,
someone would.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Like die well, oh well to please don't do that.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
It's like I don't keep like s no.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
To be fair, I feel like you have been very
open and vulnerable today. And the reason the show is
called that and it started is I cover a lot
of red carpets and premieres and junkets, and you got
three minutes with somebody if you're lucky, and it's all
headline based and all the outlets want the same bites.
And it's so to me, the least interesting part of
my job.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
It's antiquated.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, and I'm like why, Like nobody likes it. The
guests don't like it, we don't like it. It's not
you know. So I started kind of seeing people wanting
to say more and more, Yeah, either something a little
de super or more personal or unrelated to what they're
there for. So I thought, you know what, I'm gonna
ask this question where people can come on and whatever
it means to them. It doesn't have to be a secret.
(50:09):
It could just be a life lesson or advice or
whatever's on their mind right now, just something that they
wouldn't say in a three minute sound bite interview.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So actually now suddenly stumbled upon what it is. See
that I've never said this before. Okay, I think the
hottest sex scene in cinema history is Annette Benning and
Peter Gallagher in American Beauty. Do you have you seen
this movie?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Of course I have.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
It's like he plays like the real estate agent called
the King, and she's also a real estate agent, and
they get like involved and they go to a like
a motel and they're having sex and he's like you
want to get you like getting fucked by the king
and she's cheating on her husband and it's so short
you don't see basically anything. But there was something about
(50:58):
that that I thought. It was like I think I
was really young when it came out and I saw
it and I was like, I was like, it was
something about I don't know. I hope I wasn't titillated
by the idea that it was an affair, but I
guess not no, but something about you want to get
fucked by the king in a motel, and it was
like it was they were like colleagues. There was something
(51:20):
like illicit about it that has stayed with me. I
don't know, because I'm such a rule follower. I would
never do anything like that that. It's just like kind
of horny for me.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
You so now you have that, Now you have that
in your brain and you use it all the time.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Let's say I use it all the time. Yeah whatever
that means. No, but it's so hot, Like I don't know,
and I think he's really hot.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
That movie is it's a hot movie.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
It's kind of a hot movie, but it's like it's
also fucked you know what I mean, Like it's like
the meta suvari at all is fucked ye, Like it's
also full on space, like a full blown space. But
the thing is and so I'm not like rewatching it
a ton, but it is like something that lasts in me.
And there's something about he had like those like horny
hot eyebrows. H he was like he was like such
(52:14):
big eyebrows, and he was so he had like a
swagger and he was like an older guy. Like I
don't know what that was clear on him. I think
I was, And I think I like, I just like
there's something about a betting in that movie. She's such
like a like an unhappy, bitchy like you know, like
woman who just really needed to get fucked, I guess,
(52:37):
and the fact that she just got something she needed
so badly, like she was so stressed out the whole time.
I don't know, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I love your I've never said this before.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
I can't believe I racked my brain. I actually came
in here and I said to Melissa, I was like,
I don't know what it is. So I was gonna say,
ask me literally anything, and I'll be honest but now
I'm happy I did it.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
No, that's a good one. That's a good one. I
really like it. We've learned a little bit about your kinks,
which is always an exciting day, useful, always an exciting day.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Just when I announced my relationship.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Now, yeah, happy for it. I'm sure he'll be very
happy here about it. And if he doesn't know this kink,
now he knows, so there you go.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
He'd be like.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
What movie Matt Rogers, thank you, thank you for coming on.
We I feel like I need four more hours with
you because this has been so much fun.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Well, our class, uh, that I'm going to take from you,
that's gonna be how to be intro to looking hot
on vacation?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Got it? Okay? Gay partner versions Okay?
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Cool? I think that Yeah, for you guys to tag team,
that class would be would be really useful. I'm enrolling
and that'll be a three hour class and then we'll
do like a like an hour long study.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Hall Oh. I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait. I
look forward to it. Thank you so much, you have
home I do. Thank you for building my brand. I
appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
I listen, I've built some brands.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yes, you have, Yes, you have. Everyone go see the
Christmas show called Christmas in December.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
It's time we remember when Christmas is sam straight, we
were able to answer the question have you heard of Christmas?
People have? Now. I just want to like keep reminding
people the things they need to know. Christmas in December,
not November, not October, certainly not September, which I know
you'll try soon.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Get your tickets now. Merry Christmas. I've Never Said This
Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario. This podcast is
executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy,
with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before
is part of the Elvis Duran podcast network on iHeart Podcasts.
(54:56):
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I'm Tommy Diderio
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy Di Dario. Oh my god. I hope you are
ready to laugh, and I hope you're ready to smile
because my guest today is Matt Rogers, who is bringing
all the good vibes and charm to my show. Matt
is a renaissance man. He's an actor, comedian, writer, recording artist.
(00:24):
You may also know him as the co host of
the award winning podcast Las Culture Restess with Boeen Yang.
He's also dubbed the Prince of Christmas, and he dropped
his debut festive, pop dance satirical album Have You Heard
of Christmas? A couple of years ago, which is now
turning into an epic Christmas tour that kicks off in December.
(00:46):
And he's just built this really quirky and beloved holiday brand.
I am here for it, and guys, we are covering
it all, and I mean it all. We go in
eight hundred different directions with this conversation, which honestly is
exactly how I like it. So, as you were home
preparing for your Thanksgiving holidays and making that stuffing or
(01:06):
mashed potatoes, maybe that truffle Mac and cheese like I do.
And yes it is an iconic recipe. I hope this
conversation brings some joy and cheer your way. All right,
let's see if today we can get Matt to say
something that he has never said before. Matt Rogers, Hey,
(01:28):
I've been waiting for this moment with you. Like wise, actually,
we have seen each other quite a bit out and about.
It's been like just across the way, right, but we've
never actually gotten to sit down or even hug each
other and say hello.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I know, and I'm feel so warmly towards Geo. Oh,
it was so sweet when I did GMA. I think
it was early, early, early, early this year. Yeah, I
felt like immediate friendship vibe. So my extension you as well.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You're part of the family. Now you're part of going
to be adopted. Okay, great, great?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Joining your family would be really good for me.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Okay, amazing. We have no kids, but we are, I
guess in the market now.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So broken is people. I'm like, I'm like, am I okay, yeah,
you'd be fine.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, welcome to the family. I hope you like Italians
and Cubans were a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I do actually, Okay, don't threaten me with a good time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
All right, good, Oh my god, we're already starting like that.
All right, I'm here for it. Well, you were someone
I've wanted to talk to you for a while because
I so much relate to you in the sense that
you are this renaissance man. You do it all. I
mean you do it all, and I feel like every
time I see you, there's a new project or you're
(02:41):
in a new category of entertainment, and you just you
always surprise me with what you're doing next, which I
think is really cool. So when you think of everything
you've achieved, what is something that you're super proud of
or the most proud of.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, what's funny is it's like I never really
considered myself that early on, or I never saw anything
like that playing out for me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Thought, oh, one thing, we'll catch on, And I think
I had a sense that it wasn't going to be
easy no matter what it was. So you throw a
lot of shit at all the walls, and I guess
I was lucky, whether it was I found out I
was acceptably good at one of those things or a
few of those things, or I was just surrounded by
(03:25):
people who made me better at all of those things.
Had so much access to people that you know, were
so talented that by extension through them, I could develop
these talents. But in terms of what makes me most proud,
it's hard to pick one or the other, because there's
the Christmas stuff, which I get to flex certain muscles,
(03:48):
like musical muscles, which really makes me so happy. But
then there's also the podcast, and I can't ignore how
proud I am of the community that we've built and
how how that just seems like something that naturally developed
out of me and Bowen's comedic chemistry. So I guess
in terms of in terms of what I'm most proud of,
(04:10):
it's probably that in that community and that that I
guess not to be gross, but like that brand that
we've built that seems to be around like queer joy
and lifting people up and letting people know when they've
done something that's like culturally significant that moved us. And
so there are those two things, and then there's also
(04:31):
you know the fact that I got to be in
the movie Fire Island like for something like that, Like
that's like it's like a really like lasting I just
watched the movie because I was showing it to someone
who hadn't seen it, and it just felt like, Wow,
I'm really proud of that. So I'm lucky because there's
several different things that I could point to and be like,
(04:53):
that makes me really really proud. Yeah, but process of elimination,
I would say the.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Podcast, Well, and I feel like You've had so many
pinch me moments throughout the course of your career. Obviously,
it seems like Fire Island was one of them. Never
imagining you could be a part of something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I think I could imagine it. It was like I could,
I could believe that we were doing it. But then
when people responded to it in the way that they did,
and it became this thing that actually it felt like
the gay community was supporting instead of tearing up yep,
because they will do that nine times out of ten.
That to me was the special thing about it. I
was like, when I watched it, you know, the first time,
(05:30):
I kind of went into dysmorphic shock because I had
never seen myself in a movie and it was just weird.
It's like a weird thing when you watch yourself doing
this weird meta movie that you shot with your friends
and now other people are seeing it. So the first
time was a lot, and then the second time I
was really emotional because I'm like, I have a feeling
this could be kind of a classic for gay people,
(05:54):
whether you've been to Fire Island or not. And I
think in my recent rewatch of it, like I'm even
more proud. It was really the impact of it that
surprised me. I could believe that we were fucking around
making it, but then I was like, I could not
believe that people embraced it and still revisit it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, it's like one of those things.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's what's so cool.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, it's like a cult favorite. Now people love turning
it on and it's part of their rotation and it's
so cool to see that. And what I love about
you is I'm very much believe that we shouldn't be
put in boxes, and people try all the time to
put us in boxes, right, whether it's professionals or colleagues
or friends or whoever. Right, So I love that for you,
(06:35):
you kind of keep going in all these different lanes.
What would you say, ties everything together with what you do?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I think that fun ties everything together, because that's really
what I think my purpose is, I suppose is to
create fun and little bursts of positive energy where I
go and just, I don't know, make people feel better
than they did before, or make spaces better or lighter
after I've interacted with it then before.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And so.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I feel really lucky that I actually have fun doing
all of these projects that I'm out here promoting. I
know that's not always the case for everybody. I feel
bad for people, and you know, I can tell when
it's true because I have some experience, you know, feeling
like a part of a press circuit for people, and
you can tell when someone is just clocked in to
(07:27):
something that they're obligated to promote. I never feel like that.
Every single time I'm talking about something, I'm like, oh,
I'm doing this with my friend or I'm part of this,
like for example, with Palm Royal coming out, I will
talk about it as long as anyone wants to talk,
because I can't believe I got to have that experience,
(07:48):
and I'm really fortunate that that happens a lot. So
I'm just followed the fun and follow my opportunities to
where they are, and I think that word fun is
what I'm trying to center.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, well, it's probably one of the many reasons why
you're so successful is you genuinely have so much joy
and what you do. You're not phoning it in, You're
not going through the motions.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Really fake stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, I'm very hard for me. Yeah, what's your back?
You're not Italian?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
No, but I was around a lot of Italians growing up.
I am Roman Catholic from Long Island. Okay, so I'm
from the south shore of Long Island, and it was
a very Italian energy.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, Greek agreed, Even that was.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
More like we weren't really like my My grandmother took
us to go see my big fat Greek wedding and
she was like, oh, my culture, our culture. I was like, kinda,
I kind of feel like we caused play Italian more.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I get that a lot. But the allive tones of
my skin are not anything but I guess like Greek.
But then I did take a twenty three in me
and it was like your Turkish Actually, oh so sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Grandma, Okay, you weren't Greek. Grandma might not like Greek.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Oh no, she would have hated that.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Oh god. Yeah, all right, well I can tell you
grew up though with people that either were Italian or
because it is a very direct way to be big personality,
can't fake it, wear our emotions on our sleeves. And
you strike me as having all of those characteristics.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's a lot. It's like, it's like, it's it's all
of that being true. I'm also a triple water sign,
which if you know, you know, if you carry your
care double Pisces cancer moon who stuff cried a lot
at wicked and like all day because of whatever. But
(09:35):
then there's also the idea that I was, like, you know,
a gay child who was repressed, who had performer instincts
but never could indulge in them until I was older.
So there was a lot in me that wanted to
that like was coming out or wanted to come out.
And then unfortunately they gave me a podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well thank god they gave you a podcast, an award
winning podcast. I mean, who doesn't love loves culture resist
it is so epican.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
You a certain swav some gay men on the internet.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well, we don't need to care about that. We don't
need to care about that.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That is the answer to your question.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, fair, but whatever Irrelevantga well that's probably true too,
That's probably true. Okay, Well let's ignore that for a minute.
Who doesn't love it? Nobody? Right, everybody, like, please, I
haven't heard of anyone. Everybody loves it. It's so epic.
You began it in twenty sixteen, right, yeah, And I
imagine that when you're starting a show, and I know
(10:26):
when you're starting a show, it takes a lot of work,
a lot of grit to find its footing, build the audience.
Most podcasts fail, people quit, they launch it six months later,
you never see it again. So what kept you going
in those early years when you and Bowen were like,
is this going to work out? Is it not going
to work out?
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I think the fact that we never asked that question
because we just assumed it wouldn't. It was March twenty sixteen.
I think we started talking about doing it like in
late twenty fifteen, and I didn't have any idea of
the podcast thing, landscape or industry. I literally I remember
saying to Bowen like, are we really going to start
a podcast? Now? It feels like they're over like and
(11:02):
then thank god we didn't listen to that voice, because
I remember literally being like, didn't Mark Maron already do
the best podcast, Like there's a podcast where people go
do this thing, Like what could we do that would
be different? And we like rifled through some ideas of
what the podcast could be. Bowen wanted to do, like
a choose your own adventure podcast that would have been
(11:23):
like kind of scripted and complicated, and I was like,
we could always just sit and talk and not have
any segments. And we had kind of arrived in the middle,
which was there would be some segments, you know, the
rules of culture. We used to do with one called
the Culture of the Week, and our bit was that
it was always something Disney related that was like the
joke when this podcast was like kind of fully a joke,
(11:47):
and then there was I don't think so, honey. So
we started doing it really sporadically. I remember we used
to say, oh, we owe them an episode a lot
in the early days. It was not weekly. It was
just kind of us shooting having fun. And then lo
and behold, during one of our first live shows, I
was like, oh wait, there's like an audience here. It
wasn't just the sixty people who had been listening on
(12:10):
I guess I could see the metrics and the really
initial days, I was like, wow, that's like all our
friends plus a couple other people. Awesome, And then it
just kind of developed from there. And now I think
that would be incredibly hard to do just start a podcast,
you know, to nobody's twenty six years old in New
York with a mattress on the wall. The landscape is
(12:33):
so different now you kind of do have to be
like an A list star to stand out. And they're
all getting the podcasts. So I'm really grateful that it
started when it did, and that we started it with
the intention of no one listening to it, because I
think that established our real dynamic as the center of
the podcast, and that's why people might.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Like it one hundred percent. And yes, to your point,
people are getting the shows, but they're not maintaining them.
It takes a lot of discipline and hard work to
keep a show going, as you know.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, it's harder than people think, I think, just to
keep a schedule and maintain the quality and beyond yeah yeah,
you know what I mean, Like being honest, a lot
of energy.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, all the time. Yeah, but you're doing it, and
it's so hard because you've had so many great guests.
And I hate when I get the question of who's
your favorite, because I don't have a favorite. Everyone offers
something so different. But was there a moment or a
guest that surprised you that's just like etched into your brain?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I think the Actually we were talking about this the
other day. One of the first big stars that we
had on the podcast was pad Malakshmi. I remember she
had tweeted out sort of condemning Louis c K at
the time when it initially came out that he had
harassed women. And she popped off on Twitter and listed
(13:50):
a bunch of like up and coming queer comedians that
actually she felt were deserving of the attention that he
would get, and she listed me and Bowen, And that
was such a wild thing to have happened, because I
was like, how does she know what the podcast is?
How would she know? How would she even know to
tag her handles like, but she really did do it.
(14:11):
And so Bowen and I hosted actually a charity fundraiser
for Vulture that she produced with Vulture, and she she
like put on and presented got to know her a
little bit because she had asked all those comedians that
she listed to do this charity show. So we had
this great night and connected with her and she came
in to do the podcast and that was the first
(14:32):
like big a list star that we had do the podcast.
I made his Padma and she showed up to our
little hole in the wall studio with a bottle of
Voove and like a full black catsuit and was like,
I thought we were gonna be in front of an
audience and I was like, no, it's like just us.
We're in like hoodies. She's the great And then she
popped open the champagne. We drank champagne and did the
(14:55):
episode and it's called Big Gay Iconography. It came out
now like I guess, like I don't know, like seven
years ago. And whenever I see Padma now we have
a thing. We have like a rapport and I'll always
have like a warm spot in my heart for her
because she called us out like that to do this
great positive thing and then came to the podcast and
(15:15):
was so cool. And I miss her On Top Chef.
I love Kristen Kish, but I miss there is no
other Potma.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
No, yeah, she and she is one of the most
breath taking humans I've ever seen in my life, Like
it's ridiculous. I was out Indo Sheen having dinner one
night and she came in and I guess she has
a booth there and sat down. I looked behind me
and I'm like, I might be straight crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, she's like a gorgeous, stunning like specimen. And I
remember she also is that kind of energy and presence
where she's immediately so like you feel like warm and gooey.
She really is. She's like a She's like a luxurious
bath at a Four Seasons. That's the energy is just
like so warm and cozy and like you drop your
(15:54):
shoulders around, Podna.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I love that your description of cozy is a luxurious
bath at the Four Seasons. I know everything about you now.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, here's the thing, that's what I would imagine. I've
never taken a luxurious bath of the Four Seasons. But
I'm also and I've also never like been Podma, So
this is what I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I'm just saying I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, I was blanket like like Egyptian cotton, and what's
not enough?
Speaker 1 (16:17):
What's so great about that? Stories? You do never know
who's listening, listening or watching yeah, right, and that's like
such a cool thing. And and fast forward to all
these years later, you know, have an award show that
you created, this like satirical award show.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It was also a joke in the beginning, like everything
else that tends to pay off. Really, yeah, it was.
We literally made a joke about it, like I think
maybe it was like a light pop culture week or something,
and Bowen and I we didn't have a guest book,
so we came up with the idea to just randomly
make nominations and categories and sort of as a joke,
like read them like they do on nominations morning for
(16:51):
the Oscars, just because we think it's a funny bit.
And then about three episodes later, we were like, Okay,
the awards are not happening. They're canceled, you know, a
joke because it was never gonna happen. Then Lincoln Center
reached out with the opportunity for us to do a
show free show in the summer, summer in the city
it was called and we were like, oh, maybe let's
do the Cultural Awards. Just book some of our friends
(17:13):
to come present awards quote unquote, maybe get some celebrities
to send in videos as acceptance speeches and see if
our listeners are readers as it were, want to come.
And then they did and it was wild. It felt
the energy was really a thing. And then suddenly, out
(17:34):
of this joke that we made, this offhand thing was
a running annual show and within four years, which was
last year, it got on Bravo and Peacock.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's incredible, and it got announced you're doing it again
next year.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It did.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
It did like, Okay, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Amazing, incredible, And honestly, I expect nothing because I have
had a really interesting career up to this point. Because
I've had and I really like it this way where
I get to do a lot of different things. But
what that means is that things don't get renewed. Like
I was on this show called I Love That for
You on Showtime, had a great experience, didn't get renewed.
(18:19):
I was on this show on Netflix, No Good Deed
Love a great experience, Thank You, didn't get renewed. It
was kind of always supposed to be a limited season series.
But I do a lot of one off things, and
I also have like the podcast where it's a lot
of different kinds of experiences. So meeting a lot of
different kinds of people, and then suddenly Christmas comes around
(18:40):
and I'm doing this fake pop star bit, which has
become weirdly real because now I'm at Terminal five doing
a full ass show.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
With a band going on tour.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah. And so it's these little jokes that I planned
and make on myself that then grow and, as I guess,
connected to the fun of it all because I am
genuinely having fun doing it. And I remember reading an
Amy Poehler's book years ago, if you're having fun, They're
gonna have fun, yeah, which is such a simple thing.
So I try to just infuse that in everything that
I do. That being said, there are a lot of
(19:12):
those little things. You know, Bowen has a totally different
experience than me. He's been in his same job for
seven years. Yeah, of course he does other things, but
I don't have that constant outside of just the podcast
that's been my constant, and then these things that I
get to return to whenever I get to, like the
Award Show or or the Christmas Project.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, that's what makes it so special, the fact that
your constant did turn into this full on award show
that you get to do again. I'm bravo m Peacock
and it's for the world to see. Is so incredibly epic.
How are you leveling it up this time?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, the fact that people will know what it is
will be huge because A, I have to say, I
love all my publicists out there. You're just you're all
incredible at like and truly, everyone fights for their clients
so much, and like, I know how hard it is
to do what they do to really please people. And
(20:07):
also make sure that you're not putting your client in
like a position where they'll look stupid or they'll say
something they shouldn't say, especially now where things are so
scrutinized and over scrutinized on the internet. But it was
hard to explain to people, like it's a comedy special
disguise is an award show. It's a joke. You're gonna win,
(20:27):
but it's not real, Like you can't take the trophy home.
We're gonna write the copy for you. It is all
a joke, but also dressed like it's a real award show.
It's committed to like a real thing. Step by step,
it will feel like a real award show taping. It's
not you know what I mean. Yeah, So now that
we have something like we literally have the show to
(20:48):
show for itself, we can literally book our cast earlier
because that was the big challenge was we didn't have
a cast because people weren't confirming, so we couldn't really
write our show. And we got there and I'm so
proud of every single element of it. But it will
be easier next year, and that idea that we're gonna
(21:10):
have time to prepare it will will give us our
opportunity to really make sure it's great. So now we
just sit back and see what happens in pop culture
that we can the piss out of.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the category that you and Bowen
are fully championing and love even if we don't really
get why or what it is? What's one you love?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean there's a few. So I think one of
my favorites that made it into the show this year
was best Batman Woman. I just liked the way it
sounds Best Batman Woman, Like like, it just makes me
happy to think about because as gay as like, the
Batman women are the reason for the season, you know,
Poison Ivy about all the catwoman's and we love them all.
(21:53):
It's about doctor Chase Meridians, you know what I mean,
Like we know that that was a huge part of
my awakening as a queer person, and was going into
the Blockbuster and going over to the Batman Forever VHS
and seeing Nicole Kimmens like Veronica hair on the cover
and the way that she like the noir way. She
got a bunch of blankets and went to the window
and Val Kilmer came in and there was this tension
(22:16):
between them. It was so gay and so best Batman
woman that being a part of the show. I remember,
we just tossed out some nominees and I made one up, Robin.
It's not Robin, He's not nominated. Not Batman's Robin. It's
actually Robin with a y who's the Riddler's assistant. And
then when I realized Kristin Wig was going to be
(22:37):
available for the show and she could potentially create this
new character, we pitched it to her and she liked
the idea. So this dumb idea I had that was
connected to something from I think all of our queer childhoods.
If you're if you are a certain type of queer
That then became an excuse for Kristin Wig to do
an original character and like kind of start our show
(22:59):
because it was very early on in the show that
was that was really cool. So that might be my
favorite category right now.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I would say it's so good. It's poison Ivy was
my personal to one, like, loved me some poison Ivy.
I can't argue with you. So good?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, I mean had Uma said yes, maybe we would
have had Christ to do something else.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
In the spirit of let's culturistas, what is your ultimate
rule of culture?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The ultimate rule of culture? Actually, I have one and
I've said this before, but I'm going to say it again.
Jaws was the first girl boss.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I need more, I need more.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Jaws was a woman. Okay, people don't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Is that confirmed?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Okay, I never heard that, but okay, well I can confirm. Okay, great, great.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Everyone's like because you know, it's it's pop culture history
that the shark that like played Jaws was a shark
named Bruce. That's like Steven Spielberg lore. But that's just
the prop that they were using. Canonically in the movie.
The character of Jaws was a woman, wow, and she
(24:18):
was uncompromising and getting what she wanted. She was gonna
eat the girls. You know what I'm saying. It's like
she was in her industry, the apex predator. She was
number one. She was essentially Oprah of the seas. Wow,
Jaws was the Opra of the seas. That's another way
to say the rule of culture, like Jaws was the
first girl boss. I believe that's real culture number six.
(24:39):
Another way you could say it is Jaws was the
Opra of the seas, and she was an icon and
cinema history, cinema history like it's like Hannibal Lecter, you know,
the guy, my guy from Psycho Norman Bates and Jaws.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, she her. That's I feel so blessed to now
look at Oprah in a different way because I will
always think of Jaws when I think of Oprah.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
They were both. They will a lot of people wanted
Oprah to run for president, like Jaws was like the
most powerful political figure in the season as well, because
you have to understand, just by sheer size that creates
a hierarchy. No one was stepping to her. So I
(25:26):
think we see now what happens when when a dominant
political voice arrives, Like people just really start to follow,
and many fish followed her. That's actually how they travel
in schools of fish.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So yeah, thank you for that. Thank you. I feel
really good to know that now, and I don't disagree
at all. That was a really eye opening point. You
will be better for having the I already feel better.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's just I just don't want to erase the fact
that Jaws was a woman.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
We will never forget. Yeah, we will never forget. This
is one of the many reasons why people love your
sho It's.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Why do you think because of crazy bullshit like that?
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yes, yes, there's so many things and the I don't
think so, honey. I mean that is that is probably
like the number one thing people associate.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Do you want to know what Bowen just said to
me the other day? He goes, do you think in
the new year we should not do I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Why would he ever say that?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's breaking news. I've never said that before.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, like, why would he say that?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I think?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Are you both over it?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
There are? Actually, you know what, I've refallen in love
with the form because when we first started doing it,
I was like, oh, yeah, this is like a way
to give energy at the end of the episode. I
actually liked it. We did not invent a sixty second rant.
And now people are like say about other podcasts, like
you guys rip that off. Last Culturalistas. To be clear,
none of us are original. It's a one minute rant
(26:46):
on something in Papulchill like this has been done. Now
when it's like they'll say things like certain podcasts have
things like this is my you know, it's something that's
like very similar to I Don't Think So honey, Like
it's like no, no Baby. It's like, okay, I'm that
he no No Baby might be a ripoff, but you know,
we started doing it and it was exciting in the beginning,
(27:08):
and we would do live shows around that. We used
to do I Don't Think So Honey live. We'd have
like fifty comedians all on stage. We called the Gay
Bonnaroo back in the day. You should look at some
of our set lists now with the names that are on.
It was like Iowa, Deboray, Rachel Senate Patty Harrison and
Julio Torres like me Bowen, like everyone all on the
same show. It was cool. Padma did it once, you know,
(27:31):
just like so then I was like really enthusiastic about it,
and then as the podcast went on, you're kind of
just like, Okay, I'm running out of shit to do
because the guests come in and they just do one
bowen and I have done hundreds of I don't think
so Honey's and even an opinionated person would run out
of shit to say.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It's a long time to talk.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
By the way, it's a long time, but I can
do it, and like it does go quicker than you think,
but I think I take for granted, like all of
our guests that come in are panicked about it, and
I'm like, I get it. It's like it because it
seems like it's going to be a but once you
start going, yeah, have you have the energy, you have
the time.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Do you really plan them and prep them or do
you do them off the.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Cow because I got really sick of doing it, like
I said, But now that we are on social media
more like we finally started posting social clips and we
finally started like recording the majority of our episodes, I'm like, okay,
it's an opportunity. So I've started to prepare a little
bit more. And it is, you know, it is a
succinct way to get some feelings across. Jeff Probes knows
(28:33):
how I feel about him right now, or he doesn't,
which is also fine, but he could.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Know if I gave you one right now. Could you
do it a topic?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
If you gave me a topic, Yeah, we used to
do this all the time. But I had something called
if you didn't, if you had the live shows, if
you didn't have a topic, I would have you pick
out of the troll bowl, which was all topics that
I had chosen and Bowen had chosen. That would be
incredibly hard to do. And I don't think so many
about like Princess Diana.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Oh my god. Well, I'm not gonna give you a
hard one. I'm gonna give you a broad one, just
saying you could and hard. So now you're challenging me
to give you a hot pick out.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Of the troll bowl of your mind and give me it.
I don't think so, honey, And then we'll.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
What I was gonna give you was just the theme
of Christmas. And you can say whatever you want. But
that feels easy. I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Money Christmas, you are too fucking much. It's enough. Also,
fall does not have its moment anymore, you've completely robbed it.
Christmas starts on October fifteenth for some of the craziest
people in America. I don't think so, honey, if you
are engaging with Christmas content before Halloween and you are
literally out there and it's not a thing of like,
I just love Christmas, No, you just love I guess
(29:41):
being annoying attention like it's it's annoying, it's it's and
I'll tell you what it's. Because I don't think so, honey,
that falls disappearing so much. I can't even get a
pumpkin beer in this city, which is and it's why
I moved here, you know what I mean. I don't
think so honey, that like fall is completely gone. They
were in Vegas the other day. They tried to give
(30:02):
me a stout. I said, this is a Christmas beer.
I don't think so honey. Even you Mariah, it's too much.
I understand that it's a big industry for you around
this time of year. I participated in the industry. I
think it's never too early technically to stream. Have you
heard of Christmas? You can do it in May, June, July.
But I don't think you are necessarily needing to rub
(30:23):
that off on other people. Keep it to yourself. I
don't think so, honey, Christmas in December.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yes, oh my god, yes, yes, yes, yes, I feel
like I need to go home and just lay down
after that. Yes, so that was I'm hot, I'm sweating,
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm but this is what I do, you know what
I mean? So, like that's me and Bowen, like we
do that and it's kind of in our bones now,
and the guest I have to go there like I
want to jump off a bridge, right, like every single
guest we've had over the past like year, after we
do ours, it's like watching a little baby get on
a roller coaster. It's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no
no no, And then that you have fun after That's
(31:03):
actually literally what it's like. That was getting a little
roller coaster and doing the ride, letting it happen, and
then afterwards you feel you fork you want to get
on again.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Well, I just had a spiritual awakening. Thank you. I'm happy,
thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
I was hoping that someone would happen.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yes, that was so good. This is all of the
things you do. You're right, But to your point, earlier.
It's joy, it's happiness, and that's why people are loving
all the different lanes you're in even today with Jenna
and Friends. Right like you go on you co host
that show, and people all over the internet are like,
we need him to be the permanent co host. That's nice,
(31:40):
we need him in that chair full time. You've seen
that you've had to, I've.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Definitely seen people being being really kind and supportive, and
that's obviously like I look at it like I look
at it like I'm going to work, you know what
I mean. Like when I get the opportunity to go
in there to co host, I want to go do
the job of co host. And so it's been so
fun to go the times that I've gone, and I
really genuinely love her. I was texting with her yesterday
(32:06):
because I was having kind of a hard day and
she just like is so easy to talk to and
she's just really real person and it's it's funny like
she has been obviously someone I've known about since I
was a little kid, because you know, she was the
first granddaughter and then the first daughter and everyone had,
(32:27):
you know, a lot to say about her and the
media way back when and I'm just really impressed by
how she's grown into such an amazing leader at that show.
And there's so many incredible women at that show. And
you know, gay men and some straight allies, some like
you know, but it's mostly these incredible women now at
that show that make you feel so held and so
(32:48):
warm and so supported. So I jump at any chance
to go there and be around her and her team.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Would you ever want something like that full time?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
I guess if they were to like engage with me
in that way, I would see consider it. But the
thing is, I don't look at it like an audition.
I don't because I just don't think. I don't think
they're gonna ask, So I just look at it like
a really fun opportunity to do to case play as
that for a while, because it's like you said, I
(33:16):
look at all these things as like, yeah, let's throw
things at the wall and see what sticks.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
So it's just one another one of those things that
I get to do that I have so much fun doing.
I'm not there to gun for that job, and I
get why it's maybe fun for people to think of
it like it's a competition between the guest hosts that
are going in there, But for me, it's just like
an opportunity to hang out with her and genuinely to
(33:42):
like have fun cosplaying in that job.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, that's why you do your best work. That's why
it's natural and fun and engaging because you can go
in and just be yourself and not think about all
those things that probably other people do you think about,
and it's very it's very natural and fun to watch
you create all these viral moments like Halloween when you
guys did Double Wares product, all.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
The makeup and costume people.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You nailed it. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It was just me deepening my voice a little bit
and wearing the clothes and the bald cap. They it
was unreal. And it was actually the special effects, hair
and makeup team from SNL Man that we're putting me
in that, and so I felt really kind of honored
to have them put a bald cap on me because
you know, they're so good at what they do, and
(34:26):
also they've worked with Bowen for years, like they had
just put him in full Dobby Giche yeah, right like
three weeks before.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It was so good and it created this viral moment
and it was so fun to watch. I feel like
I always see you in these viral moments every time
I opened my Explore page, including this last week breaking
the internet with your little soft launch of your relationship.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
We'll say I wasn't even really trying to soft lunch.
I think I was just like, yeah, like, I'm going
to post these pictures from Bravo Khan, and it just
so happened that me and Fraser took what I thought
was the best picture out of the ones I was posting.
It felt like that one should be first. And yeah,
I'm having a really really great time with him. He's
(35:08):
such a wonderful person.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You seem happy, and that's what matters, and it's nice
for people. I think people. I think the excitement over
social media and the articles that were coming out. We're
also yes, there's always a gossip side, but I think
people genuinely are invested in you and your happiness because
they've been following you for a while and you have
him pretty private about your dating life over the years.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Well, I think that especially because by the way, that's
that's nice that if people are interested in they're they're
I'll take it as a as a good thing.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
But.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
It's been hard to watch the podcast grow and have
a sort of The tone in the beginning was we're
very honest about our lives, and that meant I was
talking about my boyfriends, whoever they were, whoever I was dating.
I talk a lot about my sex life. I talk
a lot about what I feel about romance. I'm pretty candid,
(36:07):
and some of my exes did not like being you know,
depicted on the podcast. And I had one relationship and
really badly and it came it just like, you know,
I'm sensitive to sharing information about other people. When it's
about me, it's whatever, right, But when it's about other people,
(36:28):
I'm like, that's when it's it's hard. And so it
gets weird to share intimate details about your personal life,
even though people are used to that from you when
you're in Now, what's kind of a weird mixed company,
because I know that the podcast is big enough where
not everyone is listening because they love me or because
(36:51):
they are rooting for me. I want the best. Some
people are just like you know, casual listeners who you know,
information that's really personal to me, and to other people
that would you know, perhaps compromise something they didn't want
out there is something I have to think about and
you know it, Like, for example, I like sharing things
(37:11):
about my life with people that follow me. I did
not share a picture, and I will never. I will
never share a picture of me and someone else so
that it can be reported in outlets. Right, I don't
want that, but I do, like enjoy so many people
in my life and I want to share that. So
it's like an interesting walk.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, and the picture you shared, you weren't thinking, like
to your point, this is my launch, this is my lafe.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I mean I figured, like maybe are people that were
mutual fans of mine and his because this also is
my first time like really engaging with another like I
guess public figure in that way. It sounds so annoying
and gross to talk about, but you kind of get it,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
When when people can talk about something, some of them
will and so it's it's just new for me.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, but yes.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes, wasn't looking for just Jared reports. But I understand
why it happened.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, and does a party you feel good that it's
out there? Like were you hiding it for you or
keeping it for you?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Or I wasn't hiding it at all. I don't even
think about I don't want to be someone that thinks
about like and when strategically would be it's like, I
just want to like, I want to be casual and yeah,
so and we are. We had been everywhere together for
about three months before it went to the internet, and
no one cared. And I'm sure no one will care
(38:37):
in seconds or if they don't care already, that's one
hundred percent great. But yeah, I mean, I don't know,
I adore this guy. He should he would be on
my Instagram anyway. Yeah, everyone that I adore is on
my Instagram.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Like I I'm really really blessed with the people that
I have in my like close friends, Like I probably
have like ten people eleven twelve people that I would
trust with everything, which makes me really happy and lucky. Yeah,
and they show up in the reflection of my life
that is the Instagram page.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's a beautiful thing. And it's
a beautiful thing when you find your tribe and you
keep it close and you know your friends, meet who
you're dating and like and everyone gets along. It's a
really beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah. And that's really been the case too, which is
another like huge relief, you know what I mean, Like
all you want is for everyone that you like and
even love to gel. Yeah, and that's that's good.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
As a big Bravo fan, did you ever imagine you'd
be dating someone in the.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Bravo In fact, at the very beginning, I was like, oh,
that's a thing. You know, before you engage with people,
you obviously see who they are. And we did. We
did start talking on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
You might say too much about this, but like, yeah,
you met on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
We started talking on Instagram, like I actually, you know, yeah,
so it happened there. And of course then you can
judge someone by their Instagram presence, and you know, when
you see someone is also a public figure or on
a reality show, et cetera. Of course there's you know,
little things you think. But then when you meet a
person and they're lovely, yeah, it doesn't matter what they do. Yeah,
(40:15):
it just becomes a thing. And also I think it's
kind of nice sometimes too. You look for things you
have in common, and I think we haven't in common.
Stuff that's related to being people that are potentially perceived
or followed.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, Geo and I met on Instagram. Did you. We did.
We did I put into his DM.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
That was a good DM.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
It was a good DM slide. We went on a
date like a week later, and April will be ten
years married.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
That is incredible. You guys are It's Is it weird
now in the year twenty twenty five to be like
a couple of goals? No?
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I still love hearing.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, you guys are a couple of goals. I mean
I you guys are. It's sort of like you guys
could too, like a college course on how to look
hot on vacation. Oh god, you really should look into that.
I think n Yu Gallaton, would.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
You think so? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I think I think that you could. We could do.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
What are the perimeters, I'm not sure I know what
they are?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
You just kind of you would that is what you
would have.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I have to come up with them.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
You'd have to come up with the curriculum. It got it? Okay, listen,
like I'm just saying, it's sort of it's worth studying.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Okay, good to know. Good tonight.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I would have taken the class.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
I'm going to work on that and if you don't
show up for that class, I'm going to be pissed.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'll re enroll as it were.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Thank you, thank you, well God, can you imagine? Hey Tommy,
how was work today? Well, we're going to do a class.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah, I'm going to be the only student. Yeah. Take
that with what you will.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, it'll be great. I am obsessed with this new
chapter for you. I love love. I'm a sucker for love.
I think it's great when there's visibility of gay men
showing healthy forms of that out there, right, and not
that we all like walk around living our life purposefully
doing that, but I just I still think we live
in a day and age where it's not the norm,
(42:02):
and I love seeing. Like my reaction when I saw
that was just like good for you, like cool, Like
I hope you're happy. I hope you continue to be happy,
and let's see where it all goes for you, and
nothing but good vibes.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
I am happy, And thank you for saying that and
for for being that type of person, because so many
people aren't. And I do get it, Like I get
it's so easy to get on the internet and dunk
on people who are, you know, sharing things or being vulnerable.
It's just so boring. I know, it's just it's not interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I think it's more interesting to be like supportive, and
you know, I just feel like every single thing that's
positive in my life is from positive community, is from
being surrounded by people who encourage you to be all
of yourself and the best version of yourself. And so,
I don't know, thanks for being one of those people.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
I got you hard. The internet, I know it does,
but I and trust me, we see it from a
lot of I'm sure you don't. Gay people on social
as well sometimes say the most hurtful things about your relationship,
and which is crazy to me. That's a whole other
episode we can dive into. Yeah, so that's.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
The college course. Will we'll well, well someone else will
teach it. Yeah, we can do a guest panel.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Like a guest panel. I love it, just a little
a little peak because we haven't talked about enough things
and I feel like we've been all over the map today.
I have to bring up your Christmas show as the
Prince of Christmas is it self proclaimed Prince of Christmas
or where you deemed Prince of Christmas.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
By like Kerry or can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Does she call you that?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
No? I would never bother her with my bullshit. In fact,
she came on the podcast and I had like a
full Santa hat on, and I was like so excited,
and people, the readers that listen to my podcast, which
is what we call them, they were like, why didn't
you bring up that you're the Prince of Christmas to
the Queen of Christmas. I was like, guys, understand, like,
I'm not rolling the dice on this, like I can't.
(43:53):
All I wanted to do was exalt her in that
hour we had with her and talk about like how
she wrote the song the Roof, Like I am not
gonna waste one second of the precious time I have
with one of the greatest artists of all time to
be like, you know, I'm the Prince of Christmas. Like
she'd be like huh, because no, I don't think she knows,
(44:15):
and that is capital F fine mm hmmm. I Also,
I would be nervous if she did engage with it, because.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
Like if she just gave you a blank stare and
just shut you down.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Feeling terrible, well, at the end of our recording with her,
I had brought this little cassette tape that I had.
It was Mariah and Boys to Men one Sweet Day,
and I'm telling you, it was like a vintage cassette
tape and I hope that she would sign it. And
after the podcast ended, it went well enough where I thought, Okay,
I'm gonna have her signed the cassette, and so I
(44:48):
handed her the cassette and as she was signing it, unfortunately,
my anxiety took over and I just started talking about
the cassette. Yeah, I've had that since I was like
like six years old, and I remember actually one I
was little, I had to have an MRI taken. And
when you have an MRI taken, they let you listen
to music, so because you know, you're in the mooth
for a while, and she's like signing it looking at me,
(45:08):
like what are you talking about? She's like, I was like,
it's not a big deal. I just had a syst
in my nose. I needed to get removed. But unfortunately
I was moving and grooving so much to your songs
because I enjoy your music so much that I had
to do the MRI again, and so I actually had
to take a second MRI, and eventually I had the surgery,
but it wasn't until years later and she's looking at
me like.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
What.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
So, yeah, it's good that I didn't bring up my
Christmas stuff for her, because had she given me a
look similar to that one, I would have melted. I
would have died.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
You would have stopped the Christmas brand entirely.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I couldn't believe. I was like, thank god I did
this after the podcast and not before, because she would
have been like, we got to get the fuck out
of here, like there's no way.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Well, okay, self proclaimed Prince of Christmas. I love it.
I love that you did this satirical album a few
years ago, and that gives pipes. By the way you sing,
thank you you sing. So let's be very clear about that.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
I work hard on it just because I think it's
funnier when it sung.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Well. No, it's sung very well, and people loved it
and connect to it. And now you're doing a tour.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, so I've basically the development and change the metamorphosis
of the show is kind of wild because I did
it for the first time in twenty seventeen just because
I wanted to put up a show and I thought
it would be so funny to pretend I was a
pop star with an album that was the Prince of Christmas,
(46:31):
sort of satirizing the idea of like the way pop
stars will release a Christmas album not because they love Christmas,
but because they want the money and to be part
of that industry. Sort of inspired by Mariah's ubiquity and
a queendom of Christmas, very directly inspired by that and
all pop stars that are like, I love Christmas and
have a record for you to buy. The bit being
(46:53):
that my album didn't exist and it was just this
craven attempt to be seasonally ubiquitous, but we loved doing
it so much, and the people that came to the
show sort of then knew the songs every year, and
I kept doing it until it grew into an actual album,
So I kind of long conned myself. The special which
(47:13):
is on taking a Deep Breath show Time with Paramount
Plus Exhausted. And Yeah, now the tour, which this is
the third year in ROW I've been doing like bigger venues,
like last year we sold out Webster Hall. We're going
to play Terminal five.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
It's amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
It's it's it's really fun to just know that you
had any bit payoff. Yeah, Like as a comedian. It's
like when the Bit there's nothing better than when the
Bit lands, and the fact that the Bit lands every year,
it's like a recurring.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
And getting bigger and bigger and bigger every year. So
this kicks off December third, December third, and how can
people get tickets?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Matt Rodgersoficial dot com or you can go to Instagram
and there's a link in the bio, as there tends
to be for these types of things. It's really a fun,
dumb night. It doesn't take itself an ounce of seriously.
Imagine if it did. But what I do take seriously
is like how how well we perform it? Like the
(48:15):
band is incredible. It's still Henry Koperski is my musical director,
who was my boyfriend at the time we started writing
it together in twenty seventeen. We are now not boyfriends,
but we are super close friends and his current boyfriend
is my tour manager. Amazing, so we keep it in
the family.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, it is. It is perfectly incestuous, good for in
a holiday way.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
Well, everyone needs to go get drunk and watch you.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
And haven't don't Well unless you are a sober person,
well then don't do that. Don't relapse at the show relapse.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
After Thank you for that message. We needed that disclaimer.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
I don't want to be the reason for the relapse.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
No, no, never, But if you're going to relapse, like
it happens so I could love you more, I don't
think I could. And as I sit here and knowing
we got to wrap this up, I don't even know
how long we've been talking, it's been two hours.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
You know. It's funny. I'm so happy that we didn't
get to the question that like promised, because which is
I've never said.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
This, Oh we're getting there now, we are?
Speaker 2 (49:17):
We are because I've said it literally everything before.
Speaker 1 (49:20):
If I haven't, let's think about something.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
If I haven't said something, though it's I I said it,
someone would.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Like die well, oh well to please don't do that.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
It's like I don't keep like s no.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
To be fair, I feel like you have been very
open and vulnerable today. And the reason the show is
called that and it started is I cover a lot
of red carpets and premieres and junkets, and you got
three minutes with somebody if you're lucky, and it's all
headline based and all the outlets want the same bites.
And it's so to me, the least interesting part of
my job.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
It's antiquated.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, and I'm like why, Like nobody likes it. The
guests don't like it, we don't like it. It's not
you know. So I started kind of seeing people wanting
to say more and more, Yeah, either something a little
de super or more personal or unrelated to what they're
there for. So I thought, you know what, I'm gonna
ask this question where people can come on and whatever
it means to them. It doesn't have to be a secret.
(50:09):
It could just be a life lesson or advice or
whatever's on their mind right now, just something that they
wouldn't say in a three minute sound bite interview.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
So actually now suddenly stumbled upon what it is. See
that I've never said this before. Okay, I think the
hottest sex scene in cinema history is Annette Benning and
Peter Gallagher in American Beauty. Do you have you seen
this movie?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Of course I have.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
It's like he plays like the real estate agent called
the King, and she's also a real estate agent, and
they get like involved and they go to a like
a motel and they're having sex and he's like you
want to get you like getting fucked by the king
and she's cheating on her husband and it's so short
you don't see basically anything. But there was something about
(50:58):
that that I thought. It was like I think I
was really young when it came out and I saw
it and I was like, I was like, it was
something about I don't know. I hope I wasn't titillated
by the idea that it was an affair, but I
guess not no, but something about you want to get
fucked by the king in a motel, and it was
like it was they were like colleagues. There was something
(51:20):
like illicit about it that has stayed with me. I
don't know, because I'm such a rule follower. I would
never do anything like that that. It's just like kind
of horny for me.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
You so now you have that, Now you have that
in your brain and you use it all the time.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Let's say I use it all the time. Yeah whatever
that means. No, but it's so hot, Like I don't know,
and I think he's really hot.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
That movie is it's a hot movie.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
It's kind of a hot movie, but it's like it's
also fucked you know what I mean, Like it's like
the meta suvari at all is fucked ye, Like it's
also full on space, like a full blown space. But
the thing is and so I'm not like rewatching it
a ton, but it is like something that lasts in me.
And there's something about he had like those like horny
hot eyebrows. H he was like he was like such
(52:14):
big eyebrows, and he was so he had like a
swagger and he was like an older guy. Like I
don't know what that was clear on him. I think
I was, And I think I like, I just like
there's something about a betting in that movie. She's such
like a like an unhappy, bitchy like you know, like
woman who just really needed to get fucked, I guess,
(52:37):
and the fact that she just got something she needed
so badly, like she was so stressed out the whole time.
I don't know, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I love your I've never said this before.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
I can't believe I racked my brain. I actually came
in here and I said to Melissa, I was like,
I don't know what it is. So I was gonna say,
ask me literally anything, and I'll be honest but now
I'm happy I did it.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
No, that's a good one. That's a good one. I
really like it. We've learned a little bit about your kinks,
which is always an exciting day, useful, always an exciting day.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Just when I announced my relationship.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Now, yeah, happy for it. I'm sure he'll be very
happy here about it. And if he doesn't know this kink,
now he knows, so there you go.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
He'd be like.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
What movie Matt Rogers, thank you, thank you for coming on.
We I feel like I need four more hours with
you because this has been so much fun.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Well, our class, uh, that I'm going to take from you,
that's gonna be how to be intro to looking hot
on vacation?
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Got it? Okay? Gay partner versions Okay?
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Cool? I think that Yeah, for you guys to tag team,
that class would be would be really useful. I'm enrolling
and that'll be a three hour class and then we'll
do like a like an hour long study.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Hall Oh. I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait. I
look forward to it. Thank you so much, you have
home I do. Thank you for building my brand. I
appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
I listen, I've built some brands.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yes, you have, Yes, you have. Everyone go see the
Christmas show called Christmas in December.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
It's time we remember when Christmas is sam straight, we
were able to answer the question have you heard of Christmas?
People have? Now. I just want to like keep reminding
people the things they need to know. Christmas in December,
not November, not October, certainly not September, which I know
you'll try soon.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
Get your tickets now. Merry Christmas. I've Never Said This
Before is hosted by Me Tommy Didario. This podcast is
executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy,
with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before
is part of the Elvis Duran podcast network on iHeart Podcasts.
(54:56):
For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and
if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time,
I'm Tommy Diderio
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