February 27, 2025 • 61 mins
On today’s MKD, we discuss the shocking deaths of Michelle Trachtenberg and Gene Hackman in addition to Karen Huger's DUI sentencing.
In true crime, we cover a man who killed his brother then ate his eyeball, an influencer who peed on groceries, and a nurse who may lose her eyes after a patient's attack.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have so many
stories in the news today that we're going to get into. First,
obviously Michelle Trachenberg's sudden death, and then we heard that
Gene Hackman, his wife and his dog died yesterday, so
we have to talk about that. And a man who
ate his brother's eyeball and killed him, a woman who
likes to pee on groceries, and more. So let's get
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started with celebrity news, all.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Right, So first we have actress Michelle Trachenberg. She was
most famously on Gossip Girl Buffy. She was on Weeds.
I don't know if you got that feign Weeds when
she was on, but it was when the younger boy
what was his name, Jonah the youngest when he was
a little older. But she was found dead in her
apartment yesterday. She was only thirty nine years old. Her
(01:08):
mom last saw her the night before and in the
morning she was found unresponsive in bed. Right now, people
are thinking it has to do with a liver transplant
that she had last year and maybe it being rejected.
So this is a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
We have a lot to talk about on this case,
because this we don't really know that much that it could
be so many different things. So of course everybody is
shocked about this because apparently only her closest friends really
even knew that she had this liver transplant, And we
don't exactly know why she had a liver transplant, because
that's the first thing you're going to think of, is
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why would she have a liver transplant? And so we're
going to go through today. We're going to go through
all the different reasons why people might need a liver transplant,
and go over some of the things that you're hearing
in the news. But again, some of the news sources
that I've been seeing these stories from are not accurate,
so I wouldn't even take them as word. And we're
going to see, like what happens when you have a
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liver transplant that fails and you die from it. So
I guess the most important thing to start talking about
is that her neighbors were interviewed and said that she
was looking very frail in the past couple of months.
Her hair looked very thin, and her eyes looked yellow,
and that's something called scleal ectaris, and that is you've
(02:29):
heard of jarndyce, right, Yeah, it's jaundice, but it's in
the eyes, and that's usually the first place where jarndice
would show up is in the eyes. So to me,
that indicates that she was having liver failure again for
whatever reason. Now we don't know when she had the transplant.
All of the articles are saying it was sometime this year,
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which is a long time, so she wasn't looking well.
It wasn't really a shock to anybody that really knew her.
One of her friends was interviewed and said that she
was recently in the hospital and came home and said
she was going to die. I don't know if that's
true because there's a lot of sources that said this
(03:12):
and sources said that, but I think it's fair to say.
She posted photos on Instagram, people were questioning why she
didn't look healthy. She was very thin, so it's safe
to say that she wasn't doing well right before she died.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So now we're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
About reasons why a thirty nine year old person would
need a liver transplant, And the most common reason that
people would need a transplant is because of sorosis, and
when everybody thinks of sorosis, they automatically think of a
person being an alcoholic. But that soorhosis is not always
caused by someone being an alcoholic, So we'll get into
(03:52):
alcoholic versus not. But first let's talk about natural diseases.
And this is things that she either could have been
born with her infections as she could got that would
have damaged her liver so bad that she would have
needed a transplant. So first we think of infections like
hepatitis C, hepatitis B, and then we think of maybe
genetic conditions or other conditions that people have throughout their life,
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like non alcoholic fatty liver disease. So that is most
commonly seen in obese patients, which clearly she's not, but
there's also a genetic component to that too, so that
cannot be completely rolled out. And what happens is fatty
liver disease is kind of early. It's early liver damage,
but it can be reversible. But what happens is that
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the more damage that occurs, it could start turning into
cerosis and permanently scar the liver. When we say crosis,
crosis just means that the liver is scarred and there's
no way of fixing it. There's no going back. Other
genetic conditions that I've seen, So I should mention this
that for a long time when I worked in pathology,
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I was the one that dissected all of the liver explants,
which are the disease livers coming out of these patients
that are getting liver transplants. So I saw a lot
of different stuff and I'm very thankful for that experience.
You could have some underlying genetic conditions called hemochromatosis or
which is an excess iron that's deposited into your organs,
(05:22):
Wilson's disease, which we copper. These are all things I've
seen transplants for. So this is a possibility because she
never really talked about.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Any of this, so nobody knows.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There's other conditions now that and this is another possibility.
She could have been born with a condition and had
a liver transplant already as a child that we didn't
know about, and then this is now another liver transplant,
so we just don't know any of this. She could
add cystic fibrosis, any of these things now non natural
ways to have liver damage that would require a transplant.
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Other things that I've seen in my career, obviously alcohol
being the biggest. So if you're an alcoholic, you could
damage your liver to the point where you require a transplant.
And I've definitely seen that in people as young as
thirty nine years old, so that's a possibility. Another crazy
ex plant that I had once was a woman who
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overdosed on tailan all. And you think that's crazy, right, yeah,
because people take it all the time, but you could
overdose on it and totally destroy your liver. So she
overdosed on tilan all. She was actually trying to kill herself,
so she probably had a decent amount and she needed
to get a liver transplant. So I imagine surviving that
and then having to go through the transplant and everything,
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but hopefully she had a new lease on life after that.
I've seen other crazy things that caused liver failure, herpies
virus when we talked about that with infections, but non
natural things, so I think like rare things like a
tile and all overdose and stuff are a little bit
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less likely in this category. So that would be a
reason that multiple reasons why she would need to get
a liver transplant. Now, well, I've seen most of the
articles bringing up the alcohol factor because I feel like
that's the most obvious correlation for lay people, right, But
I've also seen that her family said she was pretty
(07:22):
outspoken about being against substance abuse, so she wasn't really
known as a big drinker or anybody that used drugs
publicly anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, and that's that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I'm not saying that at all a lot, but I
feel like we should talk about it because why not.
This is something that affects people in this age group.
So normally you would think, Okay, well, if a person's
an alcoholic and they damage their liver, why do they
deserve to get a transplant?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's a lot of people say that, And I would
argue that alcoholism is a disease, and the and the
cirrhosis is a secondary effect of that disease, so they
should be treated as as well as a person that
is born with hemochromatosis or something. In my opinion, and
most of medicine has that opinion.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, just because you did it to yourself doesn't mean
you don't deserve to get some redemption in that.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, and it's and I mean, there's just so much
now that that says that the addiction isn't something that
you're quite control or at least all people aren't in
control of. So so it's completely possible that that that
was the case, but we like we like we said,
we just don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So her so when her.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Mom left her the night before and then went over
the next morning and she was dead, her mom was
well aware that she was very sick. Now, when you
get a liver transplant, especially when you're a young person,
it's kind of worse when you're younger because young people
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have very good immune systems. And when you get a transplant.
And this is like we talked about this the other
day when we were talking about that guy that accidentally
inhaled a pen cap. Whenever there's a foreign object put
into your body, it's not plastic in this case, but
it's not from your body, so your body recognizes it
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as far in your body attacks it. So you put
this liver. If you do a liver transplant, it's usually
from a cadaver, so or it's from a person that died.
So someone dies in a car accident and they say, hey,
do you want to donate the organs and that liver
will then go to the new person, and that liver
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is usually very healthy and they put it in, but
then your body is like, this is farign I don't
want this in, and your body starts attacking it. So
what happens is when you get a transplant, they put
you on all of these medications to chill your immune
system out so your immune system doesn't attack this liver.
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And the negative part of that is when you chill
your immune system down or suppress it, you then become immunosuppressed,
and then you're opening yourself up to getting all these
weird kind of infections and stuff like that. I personally,
I don't know if I think that's the case, because
people have said that she's been looking sick for a while.
Apparently she went out to dinner to last week and
(10:17):
people were saying she could barely walk down the steps.
So something more chronic is going on in my opinion now.
So the next thing that you need to think about
is when you get a transplant, it's like any other surgery.
You have risk of infection, you have risk of the
anastomotic sites or where they sew it back into the person,
like leaking or anything like that, and I think it
(10:38):
seems like she got through that stage of it. But
the biggest thing that you need to worry about within
the next couple of months of the transplant is the rejection.
So I don't so you could have a cute rejection
where it rejects pretty quickly, and then you could have
chronic rejection.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Usually you don't.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You're not just sitting there toe totally fine, healed from
this surgery, and then you just drop dead. So I
think that if we can make any guess, it's it's
she's having some kind of rejection that they knew about.
I think that it's unusual that she's not in the
hospital being treated if they knew that she was rejecting.
But I'm not really I'm not really sure what to
(11:21):
say about that, honestly. I mean, she was there last
week and told her friend that she was going to die,
So I don't know if they were, like, we don't
know the full story, where they did they say go
home and just live your life out in your bed.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I don't know what happened, but it is a little
unusual that the medical examiner said that they're doing an autopsy,
So it doesn't one hundred percent seem like it was
expected at least that quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, could they be doing it for research purposes if maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
She did have some not at not at the New
York City Medical Examiner's office, if that's where they're doing
the autopsy. And I don't I don't think. I I
just don't think a person of her level and stuff
would be would be being brought to a hospital to
do any kind of research. I mean, I could be wrong,
but I think that that's not possible. So I don't
know if it was a complete shock to her mother
(12:15):
to find her that way, because maybe it didn't seem
as imminent as it was.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, even if you're prepared, well still going on, Yeah,
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So, but normal in normal cases, let's say a person
has cancer and they're just they're getting palliative care, like
they're getting medication just to be comfortable, and they die.
The medical examiner doesn't usually get involved with that because
it was known and like I said, we're having We
can't one hundred percent say because she had the surgery. Uh,
(12:45):
she could have had it two days ago or or
a year ago. We don't really know. Not two days ago,
obviously she'd still be in the hospital, but we don't
really know what that So I.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Will most of the articles I said said she was
having She had the transplant last year, so it definitely
wasn't in the last couple of weeks. Yeah, so she was.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
She more than likely was having some kind of chronic
rejection at this point, I would say, because even if
she did get a weird infection, I don't I feel
like she would be in the hospital being treated for that.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
There are people that get liver transplants and they reject
in some cases, and then they get another transplant. So
that's why I was saying, it is possible that she
had one when she was younger, and then this is
now another one that's rejecting again. And the reason that
I say this is because do you remember my friend Ken.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So I had a friend Ken that worked at the
medical Examiner's office when I was in PA school, and
we were really good friends. We hung out all the time,
and he was a pretty healthy guy. And then when
he was young, like in his twenties, he was playing hockey.
He hit his head and he was unresponsive and he
got metavacked to the local try the center and they said, Okay,
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your head's fine, but your heart is complete shit, like
you need a heart. You have you have to get
a heart transplant. Like how crazy is that to hear that.
So again, he's in his twenties, he's super young. They
don't even really know what caused it. They think it
was a viral infection. So he gets on the heart
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transplant list. He gets a heart, and he has it
for a while, ten fifteen years. He's fine with this
new heart, and then all of a sudden, the heart
started rejecting and it was like, oh shit, he has
to go back on the list and get a new heart.
It just was like that quick, and he got the
new heart and it just was like never good. It
never it never really took. He was out of the hospital,
(14:45):
but he just never looked well. And he died shortly
after getting that second heart transplant, and he was forty ish.
So I kind of went through this with one of
my friends before, and it's it's just getting a transplant
is a really big deal to me, and it's so
awesome that they do it, but it's it's a life
or death situation. It's a very serious surgery.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Is there like a magic number of years where you
could have an organ transplant? And I guess what I'm
asking is, when you get a transplant, is there like
a certain amount of time where you're considered in a
safe zone or you always at risk for it rejecting it?
You're always you're always at risk.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
There's people like liver transplants are pretty good. They're not
the most like a long transplant would probably be much
higher reason of rejection and have more complications with something
like that. There's people that get one liver transplant and
they live a healthy life after that, and because that's
really all that needs to be replaced on them to
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make them better. It's it's considered curative in most cases,
in a lot of cases. So you know, it's a shame.
It's a shame that we don't know anything about it,
because I was really reading some really nasty shit online
about her, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Like that people.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
You know, she'll post a picture of herself and everybody's like,
are you on drugs?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You look so bad?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
But and I guess the part of it is you're
famous and you're out there. She has almost a million
followers on Instagram, so you have everybody commenting. People are
genuinely concerned, but other people are just assholes and for
whatever reason, though it's her decision, she just decided that
she didn't want to tell the world what was going
on with her. And I think it's kind of cool
(16:31):
that she went through all that and had a freaking
transplant and it never came out that she was going
through any of that until now.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah. I mean it means she has good, trustworthy people
in her life that weren't leaking her story to the press. Yeah.
I feel like that's the rarest part of all of this. Yeah, exactly.
So it's really sad. I don't know how much we'll
find out.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't think it's gonna be I don't know if
we're gonna hear anything that's really shocking. Unless she decided
to do something because she was in too much pain
and just didn't want to live anymore. I'm not sure
about that, but hopefully they give us some info once
once the autopsy's done.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
All right. Well, another shocking death yesterday was Gene Hackman.
So he's an Oscar Award winning actor. He was in
the French Connection Superman Young Frankenstein a bunch of good movies.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I love him. Actually, I love all those movies too.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
When I saw this, Not to be insensitive, but I
was like, I would have bet money he died or
like forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
No, we told I swear we talked about him for
some reason.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well he is ninety five. I don't remember we acted
since the early two thousand's, Like his name isn't really
coming up.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I feel like we talked about it for some for
whatever reason, because I was saying, remember, I was saying, like,
oh god, I thought he was sixty and I heard
he was like ninety eight, and it was shocked to me.
Or ninety five or however old he was.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, when I first saw it, I was like, I
don't know, I get the names confused. And then he
was in Young Frankenstein too, So I'm like, Gene Wilder's
been dead, right, Like that's what I'm thinking. But it's
a totally different guy. All these old men named Gene,
it's hard to keep track of. There's just a lot
of Now he's Lex Luthor, Come on, all right, So
Gene Wilder, his wife and one other Gene command Oh
(18:25):
my god, I knew how the gonna is. Gene Hackman,
his wife, and one of their three dogs were all
found dead in their home in New Mexico yesterday afternoon. Yesterday,
the news was saying they didn't suspect any foul play,
but TMZ this morning was reporting that police got a
search warrant in case they had to look further into
the house to see if there was any criminal activity,
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and also two of the dogs survived, so I guess
they're looking into that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So of course when I first when I just saw
the headline, my first obviously, my first thought is okay,
carbon monoxide, right, But apparently they just came out as
of what time is it now, two o'clock in the
afternoon while we're recording right now, they just came out
and said that the fire department said that there was
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no evidence that there was carbon monoxide in the house,
no pipes leaking, gas leaks, nothing, So we're rolling that out.
So now it's like, Okay, let's think of the possible scenarios.
We have two dead people and a dead.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Dog with no visible trauma.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
With no visible trauma, they said the front door was
a jar, but it didn't look like there was any
forcible entry, So that's number one. Then there was a
cop that got interviewed and said it didn't seem like
there was visible trauma, but they could have been victims
of homicide, suicide, accident, death, or natural that I feel
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like it was, Yeah, exactly, it was probably like some
just guy being a dick to a reporter or something.
So now they're they're obviously like, I don't think that
it's weird that they got a warrant, because if you
show up to do a wellness check and see that
someone's front door is open and then find them dead
in the house, I don't I would just do that
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to cover my ass.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And it's fricking Gene Hackman. It's I don't think it's
weird they got it. I just thought it was weird
that yesterday seemed pretty straightforward, like no foul plays ispected,
and now they're saying there might be.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So these are some things. These are some of my theories.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, so Gene Hackman could totally die. He's ninety five
years old or he was ninety five, right, Yeah, so
he could.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Just drop dead. He's old.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
She's not old, sixty three, she's sixty three. So now
you have to be like, okay, something something happened, because
why is she dead too? So these are the possible scenarios.
They're in the house, okay. One other thing that we
have to say that's very important is that the investigators
are saying it looks like they were dead for some time.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay, So what's some time? Is it like a day
or two or a week?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't know. I'm assuming that they were decomposed. That's
that's what I get.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
On because I read it was only like a day
or two, twenty four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No, they're saying sometime, so it's clear they've been dead
for a while. They're not fresh dead whatever. Okay, So
here's my possible scenarios. Number one, he died in the
house and like she couldn't deal with it and killed herself.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They found her on the floor, apparently in front of
a space heater, with like pills all over the floor.
So that's one option. That's possibility.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Number two.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
They were also saying it's possible that she fell or something. Right,
So she's in the bathroom and she falls. Now let's
pretend she can't. She hits her head really bad, or
let's pretend she falls and dies. She hits her head
so bad. Well, let's say he's in the other but
he's ninety five years old and he needs her assistance
to get around or do anything. He can't walk, he
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can't he can't do anything without her help. We don't
know what kind of condition he's in, right, So if
his main caregiver is now incapacitated, now he is also
at risk for dying because he has no one to
physically feed him and take care of him. So that's
another scenario. We could think about something crazy like their
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food ate they ate was poisoned or something.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't think that that's really probable.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Obviously, people could have came in and killed them, although
there was no signs that they were they that they
were killed unless somebody did something shady like poisoning them
or something like that. So I just think it's more likely.
And now when you hear that the dog was dead
but the other dogs weren't dead, what I did read
in one of the articles was that there was a
closet next to the bathroom that this woman was in,
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that the wife was in and the dog was in
the closet. So if there had been a couple of
days that went by and there were people that were
incapacitated or dead, then nobody could have opened the closet
or wherever this dog was staying, and the dog could
have just died because it didn't have anything to eat
or drink for a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, So I totally can see what you're saying about, like,
you know, one of them dying of natural vice versa, right,
But I also think there is a possibility. Let's say
they got some horrible food poisoning or something, and like
they ate the same meal and then the dog dogs
often eat human food.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I just listen, it's I said it because it's a possibility.
I just think that that's outrageous. I just think it
has to listen. When I read this story. This is
going to be my honest first thought. When I read
this story, I was like, this is what every child
dreads when their old parents lived together far away from
them because they need each other to survive. There's no
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one else around to check in on them all the time.
And now you got a situation where if he was
the only adult in the house and she, for whatever reason,
was stuck on the floor, even if it was for
something silly, he can't help her, or vice versa.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Like, it's just that's what the vibe get off of it.
It sounds it sounds crazy. But as soon as I
heard that the dog was locked up, I was like, well, duh,
And even if the dog wasn't locked up, the dog
would have ate one of them, Right, that's what And
maybe that's what the other two did. We have no
idea what happened. We don't know about what their bodies
looked like, where they decompose, were they this, were they that?
(24:41):
So we just we don't really know. And the good
thing is is that they're going to get autopsies done.
And let's say, for example, they do the autopsy on
the wife that was found in the bathroom, they're clearly
going to be able to tell if she fell and
hit her head, or however she died, if she did
decide to take drugs or something, whatever she decided to do,
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or whatever happened, they'll be able to tell from the autopsy.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I would say, your second option is most plausible, like
she got hurt first and then he couldn't get up
and do anything. Yeah, I mean because if he died,
and even if she emotionally couldn't take it, why wouldn't
she say anything? What do you mean, like, why wouldn't
she call the police or anything? Well, or I.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Don't really think that's I don't think we're gonna hear
anything else more crazy out of this. It just sounds
it just sounds very weird right now. But if you
talk to ems people and stuff, it's like stuff like
that happens when you have You can't have like a
really old senior citizen looking over another senior.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Citizen, you know. It's just like and this happened to Lara.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Her mom lived alone, and her mom fell one day, right,
and Lara checked on her mom every day, so it
was fine, but she was like, I found last night,
I've been laying on the floor for six hours or something.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And Lar's like, what the fuck? You don't have your
phone in your pocket and you can't move. That's why
it made those buttons for people, Yeah, life alert.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But yeah, so it's just like a fear, you know,
like I obviously we don't have that because my parents
live on my brother's campus and my sister lives next
door too, But but I mean, if momm and pop
Pap lived up there by themselves, we would have to
be taking rotating turns every two days to go check
on them, yeah, you know, or just like get them
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the life alert thing and stuff, because that just happens
to old people.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So it sucks because you know, like he's ninety five.
Who who.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You don't want to be doing an autopsy on a
ninety five year old person because they were found in
this way, but it's safe to do for him because
he's so high profile, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, all right. The Grand Dame of Potomac Karen Huger
sixty one years old. She has been sentenced to one
year of prison after getting a DUI last year. I
didn't know this, but this was her fourth alcohol related
driving offense. So this prison sentence makes sense to me.
And now that I think about that, it's a little
like considering four times.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes, So the judge said something interesting, We can't how
are we supposed to believe in the last seventeen years,
you've only gotten pulled over for You've only drank and
drive for four times, right, and you got caught the
only time, the only time. Yeah, she's trying to say
the only time she got caught. And the craziest statistic ever,
(27:36):
if you look up statistics of drunk driving, is that
they believe that the average drunk driver will be under
the influence driving eighty times before they even get arrested
with their first DUI. I mean that's outrageous. So, just
based on statistics, she's drinking and driving like all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I don't know if you saw her BAC. I was
trying to look it up, but I didn't find it successfully,
but I watched the body cam footage a couple months
ago when that came out, and she was pissed as drunk.
I mean she immediately was like, don't you know who
I am? She name dropped Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I hate hearing that shit, and it's just like, well, really,
who are you?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Your fucking housewife? Get over yourself? Really has happened with
Reese Witherspoon, right, yeah, and it happened with Austin Timberlake too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
So its like but at least there were like somebodies
like who's who?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Who knows who a housewife is? Beside you?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like yeah, exactly or not really, like like a list
celebrities are anything.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So she yeah, she she said, who don't you know
who I am? She tried to name drop Andy Cohen.
Then she started referring to herself as quote Thomas Jefferson's concubine.
Everybody's like, what are you talking about, you crazy lady? Yeah,
they said we didn't she insult the cop too. Yeah,
she was saying. I don't know the exact quote, but
she was saying something along the lines of like, don't
(28:58):
you know I don't like you or something. She said
something like you're like a poor white boy or something.
I don't I don't know which. I'm just like, how
douchey can you be?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
She sounds like such a douchebag? Don't you know who
I am? Oh? Poor little white boy?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Like, listen, it's like, do you want to piss off
a cop right now? Like he's pulling over some rich
lady that has been really nice to her, I know,
and she has four d uiy's right, and he's pulling
her over, probably in some Lamborghini or some shit, and
then you're telling him that he's poor, like that's not good.
That would purposely make me be like, you know what,
(29:34):
I'm gonna get her in.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
As much trouble as I possibly can under the law. Yeah,
they're way too nice like that. That shit would piss
me off. Man. So basically, I guess the controversy in
the Bravo world is nobody could understand why right when
it happened, she didn't go to rehab and try to
make some plea deal. But she didn't. She like fought
(29:56):
to have this trial, and.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Of course she lost the trial. Well because she's a narcissist. So,
I mean, you could tell just by the way she
talks to people. But she thinks that she's that the
rules don't apply to her and she's above the law.
And I love how this turned out.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Actually, yeah, so she was sentenced to a two year
prison term. One of the years is suspended. She has
thirty days to appeal it. I mean, this is not
getting appealed. I'm sorry. She crashed into a bunch of
traffic signs and I believe a median which is why
she got pulled over. It's not like she was even swerving.
She got in an accident and it could have been
(30:30):
really bad. She could have killed somebody. And considering you know,
when we were talking about this in the car yesterday,
I first said, Wow, I can't believe they sentenced her,
because we talk about so many duy cases where people
don't get in trouble at all. And I was surprised
at that, And then when I learned that this was
her fourth defense, I do think it's a little light
of a sentence.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, and she really I mean, like, like we were
talking about earlier, with alcoholism being a medical condition and
stuff like it, I have a distaste for people who
drink and drive it just because I just think it's
it's just incredibly selfish and preventable. But like, at the
same time, if you're drinking and driving that much, you
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have I mean, she's an alcoholic and.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
She needs help. She said, she's not ann No, she is.
I don't care what she says. She is like, so, yeah,
you don't. What do you do you want me to
believe that?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
She like, she's had four glasses of wine and at
dinner and come on, this is just it's this is
a clear sign of it. And she I just wish, like,
you're gonna put this chick in jail, but all you're
gonna do when she gets out of jail is increase
her anxiety. And and then she's gonna want to drink more.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I doubt she's gonna go to like a hard jail.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
She'll go to one of those pound me in the
Ass prison.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
What do they say on Office Space, I don't know,
you know that movie Almos a movie pound Me in
the Ass prison or whatever. She's gonna go to, probably
one of those nice prisons that all her other housewife
jail birds have gone to, which they referred to as
camp because it's like nice and they could do whatever
they want. Didn't Teresa good Ice go to jail, Yeah,
(32:12):
and Jennifer Shaw. So she is now the third housewife
in my lifetime that she sent to prison. So, I mean,
it's only the tip of the iceberg. There are there's
there's literally an entire podcast devoted to Bravo lawsuits. There
are so many. I don't know, I'm not I was
(32:34):
surprised by the since at first, but as I said,
now that I've discovered it's her fourth offense, I think
she could have maybe got a little more time. I
don't know why we're letting drunk drivers off so late,
especially when they're in the multiple offense territory. This episode
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Okay, let's get into true crimes because we have some
doozies this week.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
All right, let's talk about the preppy Princeton murder. So
there was these two brothers, Matt and Joe. They were
raised in this wealthy family in New Jersey, and we're
living in a luxury apartment in Princeton. I don't know
if you know this, but we actually drove by this
apartment building when we were in print.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Now, yes, we were in Princeton yesterday. It's, oddly enough,
the first time I've ever been on Princeton's campus, and
I loved it. I thought it was beautiful, and then
I'm like, oh wow, now I could kind of put
we could put ourselves there because we were there. Yet
we were there yesterday for another reason, which obviously, like
we could have checked this out if we knew.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, we didn't even know about this case when we
were there. So now I'm like really mad that we
were all the way there. But I remember I looked
up this apartment building on the map, and then I
specifically remember driving by it because across the street or
near it with some coffee shop, I specifically pointed out
to you and said like we could go there and
get a jury. God. So, anyway, this is all going
(35:30):
down in Princeton. So Saturday night police respond to this
nine one one call that there's a dead body and
a fire at this luxury apartment building. So they get
to the apartment and they find the younger brother, Joe.
He's dead. He has signs up blone force trauma and lacerations,
and it turns out that the older brother, Matt, had
beat him with a golf club and a knife before
setting the family's cat on fire and then allegedly cutting
(35:53):
out the younger brother's eyeball and eating it. Yeah, so
when when did the eyeball get caught out? Because was
it before he died or after he died? I don't
really know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
See, they'll be able to tell this at autopsy. Because
the way that the article was written, it was like
ripped out his little brother's eyeball before beating and slashing
him to death. So I'm like, did he rip out
the eye and then beat him up? Like I'm curious
about that. Like, listen, this guy had posted on Facebook
a couple months ago something about sharpening a knife and
(36:27):
blood oozing out of his eyes and stuff. Like, he's
clearly having some kind of psychosis and some kind of
mental health issues that weren't being addressed or treated. I
don't know why he wasn't getting treated for this, but
the Facebook post alone were very alarming. So I'm not
(36:50):
sure why he was just walking around, but he was
probably hearing voices and stuff. And you see cases of
this from time to time, where people who kill people
do really outrageous things and including cannibalism, and like it's
it's it's like, not like the guy. I don't think
they're gonna find that the guy's evil. He's probably schizophrenic.
(37:12):
I mean he's thirty one, yeah, he's like in that
age range. So they get to this scene and they
find this kid dead and then there's a plate and
a fork next to his body and his eyeballs missing.
So I always miss it's missing, like they couldn't find
it on the scene.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
They really believe he ate it. No, they really believe
he ate it. And beyond the Facebook post, it doesn't
seem like there was much. I don't know, there weren't
many signs that he was going through something, at least
publicly to family, friends and everything in acquaintances. The poem
on Facebook though, is yeah, weird, it's disturbing. But you know,
(37:51):
when you think of somebody that would do something like this,
it's like, Okay, they're walking around, they're talking to themselves,
they're like constantly getting in situations. According to everybody, these
brothers were soccers. The whole family with was athletic and
really nice and super sweet, and it just become a
total shock to everybody that knows them.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
And that's another thing that makes you think that he
was really having some kind of psychotic episode, because they
interviewed one of his coaches and he was like, literally,
nothing was ever off. He was totally normal, and that
makes you think, Okay, clearly he was going through something.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah. I mean like, but.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
They have another brother. I mean, imagine being that other brother.
It's just like one of your brothers is dead and
the other. I mean, this is it's a tragedy for
the family.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Really, I don't know. I was trying to figure out.
I don't know if you saw this, like were they
were him and the younger brother living at home with
the parents, because that's what it seemed like, that they
were living in their family home in this luxury apartment,
so that's like the mom and dad's house where they aren't.
That's when I was picking up from the article. So
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I mean, not that people don't do it, but I
would consider it unusual for a thirty year old grown
man to be living at home with their parents. So
I'm just saying, like, I know, people definitely do that,
but that's another sign maybe that maybe he was going
through something and they were like caregivers for him. Maybe.
So I don't know, this is really sad. He's been
charged with first degree murder, weapon offenses and animal cruelty
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and he's facing up to thirty years to life in
prison for this. That's another thing too, like who sets
a count on fire? You know, it's just like the
things that he's doing are.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Just so abnormal that you have to think something's going on.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Okay, In New Hampshire, a twenty three year old content
creator has been arrested after she went into a grocery
store pete on a bunch of products and videoed herself
doing it. I wonder why she did this. It's really so.
This is a New Hampshire, right, yeah. God.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And then they list the grocery store, which I feel
terrible because it sounds like it's a little like an
organic grocery store, a little family owned place probably, And
here they're having to put out a statement that they
looked at the video and saw all the products that
this woman peded on and threw out the products and
had to clean up the area, and then listed the
(40:07):
products on the website like, hey, it's not anything fresh.
It was all this packaged stuff. So just make sure
you checked it if you have any of this, and
bring it back to the store and we'll.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Give you a refund.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I mean, like, what the fuck is wrong with people?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, So they're reporting fifteen hundred dollars in loss, which
that's a really big hit to a small store like
that if they're family owned. And the products that she
contaminated was quen Wa corn meal, shredded coconut polenta, raw walnuts.
Thank god, she didn't pee on any fresh produce or anything.
I mean, at least those things are in packages. Not
that it makes it better necessarily, but it would probably
(40:42):
be harder to contaminate the food directly. She's contaminating the packages.
But this just seems like a completely mentally ill person
that's not thinking in their right mind.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, she was also recording it, and I don't know where,
because they're saying she's some kind of influencer, like was
she doing it for some weeks?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Weird?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Like only fans people urinating on people page or something like,
was she doing it for that reason?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
You know what? I didn't even think about that. And
that makes sense because typically when we cover stories like this,
it'll be like these people were doing it for TikTok
or Instagram and they did not say a platform it
was being posted on. And when they did the investigation,
her videos were going back to twenty twenty one. Yeah,
so she's been doing for a least.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
She's doing it and like people are jerking off to it. Yeah,
makes its fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, especially because the terminology was content creator, not influencer,
which they typically use with people, and.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
They'll typically say the platform too, so they're probably investigating
still to see like who else is involved in this
piss ring, you know. Okay, well, this totally makes sense
that she was doing this for like some weird sexual pleasure, possimly.
I mean, that's just my our opinion is that that
was happening. I would say that would yeah, based on
(41:57):
the terminology and the way the articles written on all
the different news sites, I would say that it was
probably the most accurate. Okay, this store is really horrible.
So last week in West Palm Beach police got a
call from a local hospital that a nurse had been
critically injured. So while she was working, this patient suddenly
jumped on his bed and then jumped on her started
attacking her, and luckily a witness was nearby to get
(42:21):
her help quickly, but he really did some damage to
her face.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, this is so scary.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I mean, we just had a story not even a
week ago about a patient who was held was holding
medical staff hostage and shot and injured them, zip tying them,
killed a police officer at a hospital. And now we're
hearing this and this store, and it's kind of makes
you think about how are how are nurses and medical staff,
(42:51):
anybody working in the hospital being protected where they work.
It's interesting because I was at a hospital today this morning,
and when I walked in, I just was kind of
looking around at the front desk, and I'm like, anybody
could fucking walk right by here and go up on
the floors and have access to people. It's just like
they're not really they're not really checking, especially when it's
(43:12):
really busy and there's people in and out, and it
does it's a little bit of a vulnerability for sure.
In this case, this woman was beaten so bad that
the trauma physicians are saying that every single bone in
her face was broken. She might lose her eyes because
of it. That's how bad she got beaten. And the
(43:35):
scariest part is is after this patient beat the shit
out of this nurse, he left the hospital and was arrested,
like running down the street outside.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Well, I think this story in particular is really scary
because unlike the other case. In the other case, a
guy just kind of walked in there and went into
the ICU and took those people hostage and shot all
those people. But in this case, this was a patient
in the bed and they didn't use a weapon. They
were using their body, So how are you supposed to
prevent this?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Well, so this is digging deeper into this. Her family's
super pissed off because apparently he is. Yeah, I mean,
anybody would be pissed off, but when you hear this,
she'll get more pissed off. So apparently this patient is
a psychiatric patient who is being held on something called
a Baker hold, which is an involuntary admission into a
(44:25):
mental health hospital or program. So you go into the
hospital and you're having some kind of psychotic episode, perhaps
like you want to kill your brother and eat his
eyeballs or something. Right, you go to the hospital and
if you say you want to leave, they're like, you're
not leaving. You're too bad, you can't leave. Okay, Well,
they put him in this hospital that this nurse that
(44:46):
got beat up was working in, and apparently that hospital
isn't approved to take patients like that. They don't have
the training and they don't have this security to deal
with those patients, so he shouldn't have been there anyway. Yeah,
and now they're saying that this guy was having delusions
and the days leading up to the attack and everything,
So this was like they did not do what they
(45:09):
should have did to protect her as far as the
information that's being released right now, and I mean, like,
what's the difference. Hopefully they could they could do something
with hospital security, which just needs to be done anyway.
It's long overdue. This isn't this is certainly not the
first time this has happened this week, and you can
(45:30):
It's like you can't one hundred percent prevent all of it,
but like this is just a.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
No known at this point. It's just really scary.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I mean, think you can call about your mother or something.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's fucking terrible. I just think anymore, just being out
in public is scary. I mean, we were having a
situation local to us where this man like locked himself
in a coffee shop nearby with the only girl working
in there, and then thankfully another customer came up and
solemn and you know, interrupted this interaction. But then later
that day he goes to another local business and stabs
(46:03):
a random person. It's just so scary.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It is, and you just hear, I mean, you hear
the most of it. In New York, I feel that
you know, a random person punching someone in the face
or pushing them on the train platform or things like that.
It just didn't like a little like teenage girl get
stabbed in Grand Central station a couple of months ago
or a year.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Ago, whatever.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Like it's just it's really scary because sometimes you see
people walking on the street and they're talking to themselves
and stuff, and you're like.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm gonna go on the other side of the street, right,
But sometimes because you are the asshole if you want
to put yourself in safety, if somebody seems like they're
not acting in the right mind, because we shouldn't be
judging other people like that when I think sometimes somebody's
acting so fucking crazy that it's okay to cross the street, right,
(46:52):
I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Other death news, this is a good one, all right.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
So this couple from Australia was headed for an attack
vacation and while they were midflight, a woman that was
on the plane collapsed and died and then they had
to sit next to her for the remainder of the flight.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So I understand that this is not ideal, but you're
on an airplane. They were going from Melbourne, Australia to Venice. Okay,
so you're on an airplane you could possibly be over
the ocean, or you're just on a really long flight.
What are What does everybody want the crew on the
(47:31):
airplane to do with the dead person?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
No, I think the problem in this case was they
were so this dead woman is sitting in the aisle seat,
and then this married couple is in the middle seat
in the window seat. And I think the problem people
have with the story is that there were open seats
elsewhere on the aircraft and the staff would not let
them move. Why would they not be allowed to relocate?
(47:56):
I don't know, because that I don't work on a plane.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
I also just think like it's just not that big
of a deal, like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
According to TMZ, and according to the International Air Transport Association,
it is ceased person should be placed in a seat
quote with few other passengers nearby, and covered with a
bag or a blanket. So when this woman died, they
did cover her body with a blanket, but because of
the motion of the plane, the blanket kept slipping off,
exposing her face to the man next to her. And
(48:27):
then they had asked to be moved in different seats,
and allegedly the flight attendant said they could not, even
though there was other open seats elsewhere on the aircraft.
So I think that is the issue most people are
having with this, that there was room. It wasn't like
it was a completely packed flight. There was a room,
and they would not listen. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's just like I just don't like the guys, like
we were traumatized over and over again, like come on.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Like, well, I think he was traumatized over and over
again when her face kept sliding out of this sheet,
like it's all I pitch you.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You know in Goonies when when like Chunk goes in
the fridge and he turns the guy around and he's
like he's like all dead standing there.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
It's just that's it.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
You know, you're sitting there and this person's going through everything,
rigor mortis everything while they're sitting next to you on
the plane all stiff, like the sheet coming over and
just looking at you with their dead eyes.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I don't know, it's just like it's just listen. If
this has a deal, like it would be something to
talk about, but it's not like ruining your vacation. Come on,
But if this happened to me and there was other
seats open that I could see, Fuck the flight attendants,
just get up and go to them. Yeah, I mean that.
I literally was thinking that.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I was just like, why did they listen like I
I would have been like, no, I'm gonna go up,
get up to pee, and then I'm sitting over there.
And if you have a problem with it, then oh well,
I mean you don't really you don't really want to
start a fight with a flight attendant because then all
of a sudden, it's gonna be like an issue with you.
And I think every person in the world would understand, like, hey,
(50:05):
there's like a dead person next to me. I just
wanted to move over there with a live person. But
there might be reasons because I was trying to tell
the kids this too. When you go on the airplane,
they like you to sit in the seat that you're
assigned to because your name is associated with that seat.
(50:26):
I guess in case there's an issue. They don't like
people not sitting where they're supposed to be sitting, you know,
like you're supposed to be in seat twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
This is an emergency. I'm sorry, this is my proposal.
It's just a dead person. Don't they have access to
the underneath where the luggages. No, I don't think so, Okay,
if they did this was my They shouldn't make what
they should make like a slide. They should put in
slide so they can put the person down there and
(50:57):
then just have them down there until they get to
the destination. Yeah, it would solve a lot of fraud.
It would solve all the problems. But I guess then
you have others.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
They could put a trapdoor in like underneath of the carpet,
because really, if they go down the trap door and
they hurt themselves, like, they're already dead, so it's not
that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I mean, people are probably really not gonna be for
that idea. But it's like, do you want to sit
next to a dead person for a multi hour flight
or would you rather them go down the little shoe
and be in mine?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
I would have been taken selfies with the dead lady.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, you're a free so of course would listen. It's
not my, it's not it's not like it's their grandmom.
They don't know who it is who cares. All right, whatever,
let's move on a question of the day. Every Friday
at the at mother knows death Instagram account, You guys
can head to our story and ask us whatever questions
you want. First, once my friend told me her father
(51:49):
was so constipated that he pooped out of his mouth.
Can this happen?
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Oh my god, No, No, not really.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
I mean it's not really in theory.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
If you are so constipated, you could start regurgitating maybe
some small bow contents up there a little bit like
you're not having.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
It could be like early stages of poop. It's not
going to.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Be like a full turd coming out of your mouth.
It's that's not happening.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
It's you know, like I'm trying to think of any
kind of scenario that would even be able to happen,
and I just don't think so. Like one time I
opened someone's chest cavity and there was poop in their
chest cavity, But then it was like they ended up
having some crazy hernia that went up into their chest
and perporated, and it wasn't even really again, it wasn't
(52:43):
like turd poop. It was like it was like small
bell poop. So and that's the chest that wasn't even
out of the mouth. Like I just I don't. Her
friend told her this, that this happened.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah, she said, my friend told me her father was
so constipated he pooped out of his mouth. No, all
right too. Is there a reason to shave someone's head
during an autopsy.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
No, There's been a couple times that I've had to
cut a little bit of people's hair if they really
want a brain removal. So in normal cases, if you
have hair, like if you're looking at Maria right now,
hair that's just like very easy to brush and stuff,
I would just get a comb. I kept a comb
in the morgue, and I would make the part where
(53:28):
I need to make the incision. So then when I
make the decision, the incision along the part, it really
only cuts a few pieces.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Of hair going through.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
But there's been times where, one particular time, like I
had a woman with two to a woman with dreadlocks,
and a woman with braids that we're all tied up
in a certain kind of way that I was like,
there's not going to be a way for me to
do this incision without cutting some of these pieces off.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And in that.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Circumstance, if it's a few is a hair that could
just be covered with a part or something. I don't
feel bad about that. But like now, if we're talking
about cutting out like multiple braids or dreadlocks out of
someone's hair, I would just like I called the funeral
director and just said, hey, I have to take out
the brain. Is this okay? Because it's the only way
that I could get out the brain. So either decide
(54:19):
that you don't want me to take out the brain,
or let me cut the hair, like give them that
option just because I don't want to do it, and
then send the body over to the funeral home and
have the family freak out right, and they would have
a right to over that. So but to shave, it's
there's just no reason, like use a scalpel blade that's
very thin, that could fit on any part of the hair.
(54:41):
It's just unless there's been time like one time I
had a patient that had very matted hair that hadn't
been brushed in months. It was like that big ball
of matte hair, and in that case I would have
had to cut it off.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
But that in that.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Particular case, I wasn't taking out the brain, so I
could see maybe in some extenuay circumstances.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
What about in a case like Ellen Greenberg, for example,
when she has a bunch of stab wounds.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
On her head, Well, I guess yeah, And like if
you're talking about just brain removal, then then yet for sure,
like if you're trying to look at a wound, yeah,
you would do that just if it was a case
that wasn't clear cut. I'm pretty sure that they did
in her case, that they would cut around the wounds
(55:26):
and stuff like that. But I don't in a regular autopsy,
there would never be a reason to do that.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Like now that we're thinking about this, like when Teddy
Mellencamp just got those tumors removed, Like why do they
have to shave her whole head?
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, you have a different situation now with surgery, because
surgery is a sterile environment and you want to have
like hair could just grab bacteria, and you just don't
want any kind of dirt or anything in the in
the surgical field as much as possible. So that's why
they do that in that situation. But like for autopsy,
it's like who care, they're dead, They're not going to
(56:01):
get a bacterial infection in their brain. Like the last
thing you want is to introduce bacteria into someone's brain.
Did you say she ended up getting four tumors. Yes,
and the imaging is crazy, the one to see the imaging,
the one is so big. I'm just like, I feel
terrible to look at that.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
It's just so it's just not good. All right. Last
question is Maria, how was it growing up telling your
friends your mom did autopsies. Well, you started doing autopsies
when I was a teenager, so I feel like, in general,
it was pretty hard for people to get over the
fact that I was in high school and had a
parent in in her twenties, so that was like first obstacle.
(56:40):
I mean, people thought it was cool. I mean people
still think it's cool when they asked me what you do,
and they think it's really interesting, especially because like you're
a young, pretty lady that wants to do it, not
just like you know. I feel like a lot of times,
well it.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Was cool too, because we were talking at Emma last
night at dinner. Like I said, she was our grocer
and winter for the dinner, and her dad was a toxicologist,
so she was telling us crazy stories about when she
was growing up, about the different cases he would work
on and interesting things like that. So for us it's
like and even before I started doing autopsy, I worked
(57:14):
in pathology and scientology for several years before that too,
so Maria's been and then I went to school for
that and Maria was like in second grade, like when
I was looking at slides under the microscope and stuff.
So she's been in that world for a long time.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
It's just kind of like normal for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I mean, like, I don't know if it's weird, right.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I just think with you know, at the time you
started doing it, you know, NCIS was huge, and there
was that girl that kind of looked like you. So everybody,
I feel like, understood more because there was a pop
culture relevant or pop culture reference to go hand in
hand with it. Yeah, but otherwise I don't think people
really would have gotten it. And again, that show was
(57:59):
not really that accurate to what you were doing in
real life, No, not even a little bit. It placed
a young, beautiful woman with dark, long hair in a lab,
and I think people started understanding more with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Remember that one that one someone wrote an article about
me called the Real Abby from NCIS or something like that.
That was like really long time. That was a really
long time ago. I know, Yeah, I got into it
a little bit before I guess there. I mean, there's
always been true crime stuff on TV, like there was
like Quincy and stuff, but there wasn't a ton of
(58:34):
shows on back then besides like that show I guess
and those types of things.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
But yeah, that and CSI right, and those.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Shows are absolutely terrible.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
They're the worst shows.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Mom and pop up used to watch them all the time.
And I would come home from school or just go,
you know, and I would just be like, like, what
are you watching right now? And I'd watch it. I
get so pissed off. I'd be like, yeah, Okay, that's
what happened. Oh that's what the Medical Examiner looks like.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Well they really think it does. And they think it's
that easy that you could get DNA and tox to
college year results in like, you know, forty five minutes,
which is just like.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
There was this show on one time. I think it
was called Crossing Jordan or something like that, or maybe
it wasn't, I don't remember, but there was like a
woman's a very beautiful woman who was playing like the
Philadelphia Medical Examiner, and they so not only that compared
to the guy who was actually the chief at the time,
which was like gross. But then number two, the morgue
(59:35):
it they wanted. They got a new one in Philadelphia now,
but at the time when I was there, it was
like it was like seventies as shit with the wood
paneling and everything.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, and their morgue, and this show was.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Like all stainless steel and beautiful with like all of
the latest souls and everything, and You're just like, Okay,
this is nothing what this looks like at all?
Speaker 2 (59:54):
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Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have so many
stories in the news today that we're going to get into. First,
obviously Michelle Trachenberg's sudden death, and then we heard that
Gene Hackman, his wife and his dog died yesterday, so
we have to talk about that. And a man who
ate his brother's eyeball and killed him, a woman who
likes to pee on groceries, and more. So let's get
(00:44):
started with celebrity news, all.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Right, So first we have actress Michelle Trachenberg. She was
most famously on Gossip Girl Buffy. She was on Weeds.
I don't know if you got that feign Weeds when
she was on, but it was when the younger boy
what was his name, Jonah the youngest when he was
a little older. But she was found dead in her
apartment yesterday. She was only thirty nine years old. Her
(01:08):
mom last saw her the night before and in the
morning she was found unresponsive in bed. Right now, people
are thinking it has to do with a liver transplant
that she had last year and maybe it being rejected.
So this is a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
We have a lot to talk about on this case,
because this we don't really know that much that it could
be so many different things. So of course everybody is
shocked about this because apparently only her closest friends really
even knew that she had this liver transplant, And we
don't exactly know why she had a liver transplant, because
that's the first thing you're going to think of, is
(01:42):
why would she have a liver transplant? And so we're
going to go through today. We're going to go through
all the different reasons why people might need a liver transplant,
and go over some of the things that you're hearing
in the news. But again, some of the news sources
that I've been seeing these stories from are not accurate,
so I wouldn't even take them as word. And we're
going to see, like what happens when you have a
(02:04):
liver transplant that fails and you die from it. So
I guess the most important thing to start talking about
is that her neighbors were interviewed and said that she
was looking very frail in the past couple of months.
Her hair looked very thin, and her eyes looked yellow,
and that's something called scleal ectaris, and that is you've
(02:29):
heard of jarndyce, right, Yeah, it's jaundice, but it's in
the eyes, and that's usually the first place where jarndice
would show up is in the eyes. So to me,
that indicates that she was having liver failure again for
whatever reason. Now we don't know when she had the transplant.
All of the articles are saying it was sometime this year,
(02:51):
which is a long time, so she wasn't looking well.
It wasn't really a shock to anybody that really knew her.
One of her friends was interviewed and said that she
was recently in the hospital and came home and said
she was going to die. I don't know if that's
true because there's a lot of sources that said this
(03:12):
and sources said that, but I think it's fair to say.
She posted photos on Instagram, people were questioning why she
didn't look healthy. She was very thin, so it's safe
to say that she wasn't doing well right before she died.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So now we're going to talk.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
About reasons why a thirty nine year old person would
need a liver transplant, And the most common reason that
people would need a transplant is because of sorosis, and
when everybody thinks of sorosis, they automatically think of a
person being an alcoholic. But that soorhosis is not always
caused by someone being an alcoholic, So we'll get into
(03:52):
alcoholic versus not. But first let's talk about natural diseases.
And this is things that she either could have been
born with her infections as she could got that would
have damaged her liver so bad that she would have
needed a transplant. So first we think of infections like
hepatitis C, hepatitis B, and then we think of maybe
genetic conditions or other conditions that people have throughout their life,
(04:15):
like non alcoholic fatty liver disease. So that is most
commonly seen in obese patients, which clearly she's not, but
there's also a genetic component to that too, so that
cannot be completely rolled out. And what happens is fatty
liver disease is kind of early. It's early liver damage,
but it can be reversible. But what happens is that
(04:37):
the more damage that occurs, it could start turning into
cerosis and permanently scar the liver. When we say crosis,
crosis just means that the liver is scarred and there's
no way of fixing it. There's no going back. Other
genetic conditions that I've seen, So I should mention this
that for a long time when I worked in pathology,
(05:01):
I was the one that dissected all of the liver explants,
which are the disease livers coming out of these patients
that are getting liver transplants. So I saw a lot
of different stuff and I'm very thankful for that experience.
You could have some underlying genetic conditions called hemochromatosis or
which is an excess iron that's deposited into your organs,
(05:22):
Wilson's disease, which we copper. These are all things I've
seen transplants for. So this is a possibility because she
never really talked about.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Any of this, so nobody knows.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
There's other conditions now that and this is another possibility.
She could have been born with a condition and had
a liver transplant already as a child that we didn't
know about, and then this is now another liver transplant,
so we just don't know any of this. She could
add cystic fibrosis, any of these things now non natural
ways to have liver damage that would require a transplant.
(05:55):
Other things that I've seen in my career, obviously alcohol
being the biggest. So if you're an alcoholic, you could
damage your liver to the point where you require a transplant.
And I've definitely seen that in people as young as
thirty nine years old, so that's a possibility. Another crazy
ex plant that I had once was a woman who
(06:16):
overdosed on tailan all. And you think that's crazy, right, yeah,
because people take it all the time, but you could
overdose on it and totally destroy your liver. So she
overdosed on tilan all. She was actually trying to kill herself,
so she probably had a decent amount and she needed
to get a liver transplant. So I imagine surviving that
and then having to go through the transplant and everything,
(06:37):
but hopefully she had a new lease on life after that.
I've seen other crazy things that caused liver failure, herpies
virus when we talked about that with infections, but non
natural things, so I think like rare things like a
tile and all overdose and stuff are a little bit
(07:00):
less likely in this category. So that would be a
reason that multiple reasons why she would need to get
a liver transplant. Now, well, I've seen most of the
articles bringing up the alcohol factor because I feel like
that's the most obvious correlation for lay people, right, But
I've also seen that her family said she was pretty
(07:22):
outspoken about being against substance abuse, so she wasn't really
known as a big drinker or anybody that used drugs
publicly anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, and that's that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I'm not saying that at all a lot, but I
feel like we should talk about it because why not.
This is something that affects people in this age group.
So normally you would think, Okay, well, if a person's
an alcoholic and they damage their liver, why do they
deserve to get a transplant?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That's a lot of people say that, And I would
argue that alcoholism is a disease, and the and the
cirrhosis is a secondary effect of that disease, so they
should be treated as as well as a person that
is born with hemochromatosis or something. In my opinion, and
most of medicine has that opinion.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, just because you did it to yourself doesn't mean
you don't deserve to get some redemption in that.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, and it's and I mean, there's just so much
now that that says that the addiction isn't something that
you're quite control or at least all people aren't in
control of. So so it's completely possible that that that
was the case, but we like we like we said,
we just don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So her so when her.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Mom left her the night before and then went over
the next morning and she was dead, her mom was
well aware that she was very sick. Now, when you
get a liver transplant, especially when you're a young person,
it's kind of worse when you're younger because young people
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have very good immune systems. And when you get a transplant.
And this is like we talked about this the other
day when we were talking about that guy that accidentally
inhaled a pen cap. Whenever there's a foreign object put
into your body, it's not plastic in this case, but
it's not from your body, so your body recognizes it
(09:15):
as far in your body attacks it. So you put
this liver. If you do a liver transplant, it's usually
from a cadaver, so or it's from a person that died.
So someone dies in a car accident and they say, hey,
do you want to donate the organs and that liver
will then go to the new person, and that liver
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is usually very healthy and they put it in, but
then your body is like, this is farign I don't
want this in, and your body starts attacking it. So
what happens is when you get a transplant, they put
you on all of these medications to chill your immune
system out so your immune system doesn't attack this liver.
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And the negative part of that is when you chill
your immune system down or suppress it, you then become immunosuppressed,
and then you're opening yourself up to getting all these
weird kind of infections and stuff like that. I personally,
I don't know if I think that's the case, because
people have said that she's been looking sick for a while.
Apparently she went out to dinner to last week and
(10:17):
people were saying she could barely walk down the steps.
So something more chronic is going on in my opinion now.
So the next thing that you need to think about
is when you get a transplant, it's like any other surgery.
You have risk of infection, you have risk of the
anastomotic sites or where they sew it back into the person,
like leaking or anything like that, and I think it
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seems like she got through that stage of it. But
the biggest thing that you need to worry about within
the next couple of months of the transplant is the rejection.
So I don't so you could have a cute rejection
where it rejects pretty quickly, and then you could have
chronic rejection.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Usually you don't.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You're not just sitting there toe totally fine, healed from
this surgery, and then you just drop dead. So I
think that if we can make any guess, it's it's
she's having some kind of rejection that they knew about.
I think that it's unusual that she's not in the
hospital being treated if they knew that she was rejecting.
But I'm not really I'm not really sure what to
(11:21):
say about that, honestly. I mean, she was there last
week and told her friend that she was going to die,
So I don't know if they were, like, we don't
know the full story, where they did they say go
home and just live your life out in your bed.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I don't know what happened, but it is a little
unusual that the medical examiner said that they're doing an autopsy,
So it doesn't one hundred percent seem like it was
expected at least that quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, could they be doing it for research purposes if maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
She did have some not at not at the New
York City Medical Examiner's office, if that's where they're doing
the autopsy. And I don't I don't think. I I
just don't think a person of her level and stuff
would be would be being brought to a hospital to
do any kind of research. I mean, I could be wrong,
but I think that that's not possible. So I don't
know if it was a complete shock to her mother
(12:15):
to find her that way, because maybe it didn't seem
as imminent as it was.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, even if you're prepared, well still going on, Yeah,
I understand that.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
So, but normal in normal cases, let's say a person
has cancer and they're just they're getting palliative care, like
they're getting medication just to be comfortable, and they die.
The medical examiner doesn't usually get involved with that because
it was known and like I said, we're having We
can't one hundred percent say because she had the surgery. Uh,
(12:45):
she could have had it two days ago or or
a year ago. We don't really know. Not two days ago,
obviously she'd still be in the hospital, but we don't
really know what that So I.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Will most of the articles I said said she was
having She had the transplant last year, so it definitely
wasn't in the last couple of weeks. Yeah, so she was.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
She more than likely was having some kind of chronic
rejection at this point, I would say, because even if
she did get a weird infection, I don't I feel
like she would be in the hospital being treated for that.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
There are people that get liver transplants and they reject
in some cases, and then they get another transplant. So
that's why I was saying, it is possible that she
had one when she was younger, and then this is
now another one that's rejecting again. And the reason that
I say this is because do you remember my friend Ken.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So I had a friend Ken that worked at the
medical Examiner's office when I was in PA school, and
we were really good friends. We hung out all the time,
and he was a pretty healthy guy. And then when
he was young, like in his twenties, he was playing hockey.
He hit his head and he was unresponsive and he
got metavacked to the local try the center and they said, Okay,
(14:02):
your head's fine, but your heart is complete shit, like
you need a heart. You have you have to get
a heart transplant. Like how crazy is that to hear that.
So again, he's in his twenties, he's super young. They
don't even really know what caused it. They think it
was a viral infection. So he gets on the heart
(14:22):
transplant list. He gets a heart, and he has it
for a while, ten fifteen years. He's fine with this
new heart, and then all of a sudden, the heart
started rejecting and it was like, oh shit, he has
to go back on the list and get a new heart.
It just was like that quick, and he got the
new heart and it just was like never good. It
never it never really took. He was out of the hospital,
(14:45):
but he just never looked well. And he died shortly
after getting that second heart transplant, and he was forty ish.
So I kind of went through this with one of
my friends before, and it's it's just getting a transplant
is a really big deal to me, and it's so
awesome that they do it, but it's it's a life
or death situation. It's a very serious surgery.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Is there like a magic number of years where you
could have an organ transplant? And I guess what I'm
asking is, when you get a transplant, is there like
a certain amount of time where you're considered in a
safe zone or you always at risk for it rejecting it?
You're always you're always at risk.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
There's people like liver transplants are pretty good. They're not
the most like a long transplant would probably be much
higher reason of rejection and have more complications with something
like that. There's people that get one liver transplant and
they live a healthy life after that, and because that's
really all that needs to be replaced on them to
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make them better. It's it's considered curative in most cases,
in a lot of cases. So you know, it's a shame.
It's a shame that we don't know anything about it,
because I was really reading some really nasty shit online
about her, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Like that people.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
You know, she'll post a picture of herself and everybody's like,
are you on drugs?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You look so bad?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
But and I guess the part of it is you're
famous and you're out there. She has almost a million
followers on Instagram, so you have everybody commenting. People are
genuinely concerned, but other people are just assholes and for
whatever reason, though it's her decision, she just decided that
she didn't want to tell the world what was going
on with her. And I think it's kind of cool
(16:31):
that she went through all that and had a freaking
transplant and it never came out that she was going
through any of that until now.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah. I mean it means she has good, trustworthy people
in her life that weren't leaking her story to the press. Yeah.
I feel like that's the rarest part of all of this. Yeah, exactly.
So it's really sad. I don't know how much we'll
find out.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't think it's gonna be I don't know if
we're gonna hear anything that's really shocking. Unless she decided
to do something because she was in too much pain
and just didn't want to live anymore. I'm not sure
about that, but hopefully they give us some info once
once the autopsy's done.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
All right. Well, another shocking death yesterday was Gene Hackman.
So he's an Oscar Award winning actor. He was in
the French Connection Superman Young Frankenstein a bunch of good movies.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I love him. Actually, I love all those movies too.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
When I saw this, Not to be insensitive, but I
was like, I would have bet money he died or
like forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
No, we told I swear we talked about him for
some reason.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Well he is ninety five. I don't remember we acted
since the early two thousand's, Like his name isn't really
coming up.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I feel like we talked about it for some for
whatever reason, because I was saying, remember, I was saying, like,
oh god, I thought he was sixty and I heard
he was like ninety eight, and it was shocked to me.
Or ninety five or however old he was.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Well, when I first saw it, I was like, I
don't know, I get the names confused. And then he
was in Young Frankenstein too, So I'm like, Gene Wilder's
been dead, right, Like that's what I'm thinking. But it's
a totally different guy. All these old men named Gene,
it's hard to keep track of. There's just a lot
of Now he's Lex Luthor, Come on, all right, So
Gene Wilder, his wife and one other Gene command Oh
(18:25):
my god, I knew how the gonna is. Gene Hackman,
his wife, and one of their three dogs were all
found dead in their home in New Mexico yesterday afternoon. Yesterday,
the news was saying they didn't suspect any foul play,
but TMZ this morning was reporting that police got a
search warrant in case they had to look further into
the house to see if there was any criminal activity,
(18:47):
and also two of the dogs survived, so I guess
they're looking into that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So of course when I first when I just saw
the headline, my first obviously, my first thought is okay,
carbon monoxide, right, But apparently they just came out as
of what time is it now, two o'clock in the
afternoon while we're recording right now, they just came out
and said that the fire department said that there was
(19:14):
no evidence that there was carbon monoxide in the house,
no pipes leaking, gas leaks, nothing, So we're rolling that out.
So now it's like, Okay, let's think of the possible scenarios.
We have two dead people and a dead.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Dog with no visible trauma.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
With no visible trauma, they said the front door was
a jar, but it didn't look like there was any
forcible entry, So that's number one. Then there was a
cop that got interviewed and said it didn't seem like
there was visible trauma, but they could have been victims
of homicide, suicide, accident, death, or natural that I feel
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like it was, Yeah, exactly, it was probably like some
just guy being a dick to a reporter or something.
So now they're they're obviously like, I don't think that
it's weird that they got a warrant, because if you
show up to do a wellness check and see that
someone's front door is open and then find them dead
in the house, I don't I would just do that
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to cover my ass.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And it's fricking Gene Hackman. It's I don't think it's
weird they got it. I just thought it was weird
that yesterday seemed pretty straightforward, like no foul plays ispected,
and now they're saying there might be.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So these are some things. These are some of my theories.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, so Gene Hackman could totally die. He's ninety five
years old or he was ninety five, right, Yeah, so
he could.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Just drop dead. He's old.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
She's not old, sixty three, she's sixty three. So now
you have to be like, okay, something something happened, because
why is she dead too? So these are the possible scenarios.
They're in the house, okay. One other thing that we
have to say that's very important is that the investigators
are saying it looks like they were dead for some time.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Okay, So what's some time? Is it like a day
or two or a week?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't know. I'm assuming that they were decomposed. That's
that's what I get.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
On because I read it was only like a day
or two, twenty four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
No, they're saying sometime, so it's clear they've been dead
for a while. They're not fresh dead whatever. Okay, So
here's my possible scenarios. Number one, he died in the
house and like she couldn't deal with it and killed herself.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
They found her on the floor, apparently in front of
a space heater, with like pills all over the floor.
So that's one option. That's possibility.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Number two.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
They were also saying it's possible that she fell or something. Right,
So she's in the bathroom and she falls. Now let's
pretend she can't. She hits her head really bad, or
let's pretend she falls and dies. She hits her head
so bad. Well, let's say he's in the other but
he's ninety five years old and he needs her assistance
to get around or do anything. He can't walk, he
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can't he can't do anything without her help. We don't
know what kind of condition he's in, right, So if
his main caregiver is now incapacitated, now he is also
at risk for dying because he has no one to
physically feed him and take care of him. So that's
another scenario. We could think about something crazy like their
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food ate they ate was poisoned or something.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't think that that's really probable.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Obviously, people could have came in and killed them, although
there was no signs that they were they that they
were killed unless somebody did something shady like poisoning them
or something like that. So I just think it's more likely.
And now when you hear that the dog was dead
but the other dogs weren't dead, what I did read
in one of the articles was that there was a
closet next to the bathroom that this woman was in,
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that the wife was in and the dog was in
the closet. So if there had been a couple of
days that went by and there were people that were
incapacitated or dead, then nobody could have opened the closet
or wherever this dog was staying, and the dog could
have just died because it didn't have anything to eat
or drink for a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, So I totally can see what you're saying about, like,
you know, one of them dying of natural vice versa, right,
But I also think there is a possibility. Let's say
they got some horrible food poisoning or something, and like
they ate the same meal and then the dog dogs
often eat human food.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I just listen, it's I said it because it's a possibility.
I just think that that's outrageous. I just think it
has to listen. When I read this story. This is
going to be my honest first thought. When I read
this story, I was like, this is what every child
dreads when their old parents lived together far away from
them because they need each other to survive. There's no
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one else around to check in on them all the time.
And now you got a situation where if he was
the only adult in the house and she, for whatever reason,
was stuck on the floor, even if it was for
something silly, he can't help her, or vice versa.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Like, it's just that's what the vibe get off of it.
It sounds it sounds crazy. But as soon as I
heard that the dog was locked up, I was like, well, duh,
And even if the dog wasn't locked up, the dog
would have ate one of them, Right, that's what And
maybe that's what the other two did. We have no
idea what happened. We don't know about what their bodies
looked like, where they decompose, were they this, were they that?
(24:41):
So we just we don't really know. And the good
thing is is that they're going to get autopsies done.
And let's say, for example, they do the autopsy on
the wife that was found in the bathroom, they're clearly
going to be able to tell if she fell and
hit her head, or however she died, if she did
decide to take drugs or something, whatever she decided to do,
(25:02):
or whatever happened, they'll be able to tell from the autopsy.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I would say, your second option is most plausible, like
she got hurt first and then he couldn't get up
and do anything. Yeah, I mean because if he died,
and even if she emotionally couldn't take it, why wouldn't
she say anything? What do you mean, like, why wouldn't
she call the police or anything? Well, or I.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Don't really think that's I don't think we're gonna hear
anything else more crazy out of this. It just sounds
it just sounds very weird right now. But if you
talk to ems people and stuff, it's like stuff like
that happens when you have You can't have like a
really old senior citizen looking over another senior.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Citizen, you know. It's just like and this happened to Lara.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Her mom lived alone, and her mom fell one day, right,
and Lara checked on her mom every day, so it
was fine, but she was like, I found last night,
I've been laying on the floor for six hours or something.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
And Lar's like, what the fuck? You don't have your
phone in your pocket and you can't move. That's why
it made those buttons for people, Yeah, life alert.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But yeah, so it's just like a fear, you know,
like I obviously we don't have that because my parents
live on my brother's campus and my sister lives next
door too, But but I mean, if momm and pop
Pap lived up there by themselves, we would have to
be taking rotating turns every two days to go check
on them, yeah, you know, or just like get them
(26:35):
the life alert thing and stuff, because that just happens
to old people.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So it sucks because you know, like he's ninety five.
Who who.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
You don't want to be doing an autopsy on a
ninety five year old person because they were found in
this way, but it's safe to do for him because
he's so high profile, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, all right. The Grand Dame of Potomac Karen Huger
sixty one years old. She has been sentenced to one
year of prison after getting a DUI last year. I
didn't know this, but this was her fourth alcohol related
driving offense. So this prison sentence makes sense to me.
And now that I think about that, it's a little
like considering four times.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes, So the judge said something interesting, We can't how
are we supposed to believe in the last seventeen years,
you've only gotten pulled over for You've only drank and
drive for four times, right, and you got caught the
only time, the only time. Yeah, she's trying to say
the only time she got caught. And the craziest statistic ever,
(27:36):
if you look up statistics of drunk driving, is that
they believe that the average drunk driver will be under
the influence driving eighty times before they even get arrested
with their first DUI. I mean that's outrageous. So, just
based on statistics, she's drinking and driving like all the time.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I don't know if you saw her BAC. I was
trying to look it up, but I didn't find it successfully,
but I watched the body cam footage a couple months
ago when that came out, and she was pissed as drunk.
I mean she immediately was like, don't you know who
I am? She name dropped Andy Cohen.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I hate hearing that shit, and it's just like, well, really,
who are you?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Your fucking housewife? Get over yourself? Really has happened with
Reese Witherspoon, right, yeah, and it happened with Austin Timberlake too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
So its like but at least there were like somebodies
like who's who?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Who knows who a housewife is? Beside you?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like yeah, exactly or not really, like like a list
celebrities are anything.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So she yeah, she she said, who don't you know
who I am? She tried to name drop Andy Cohen.
Then she started referring to herself as quote Thomas Jefferson's concubine.
Everybody's like, what are you talking about, you crazy lady? Yeah,
they said we didn't she insult the cop too. Yeah,
she was saying. I don't know the exact quote, but
she was saying something along the lines of like, don't
(28:58):
you know I don't like you or something. She said
something like you're like a poor white boy or something.
I don't I don't know which. I'm just like, how
douchey can you be?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
She sounds like such a douchebag? Don't you know who
I am? Oh? Poor little white boy?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Like, listen, it's like, do you want to piss off
a cop right now? Like he's pulling over some rich
lady that has been really nice to her, I know,
and she has four d uiy's right, and he's pulling
her over, probably in some Lamborghini or some shit, and
then you're telling him that he's poor, like that's not good.
That would purposely make me be like, you know what,
(29:34):
I'm gonna get her in.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
As much trouble as I possibly can under the law. Yeah,
they're way too nice like that. That shit would piss
me off. Man. So basically, I guess the controversy in
the Bravo world is nobody could understand why right when
it happened, she didn't go to rehab and try to
make some plea deal. But she didn't. She like fought
(29:56):
to have this trial, and.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Of course she lost the trial. Well because she's a narcissist. So,
I mean, you could tell just by the way she
talks to people. But she thinks that she's that the
rules don't apply to her and she's above the law.
And I love how this turned out.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Actually, yeah, so she was sentenced to a two year
prison term. One of the years is suspended. She has
thirty days to appeal it. I mean, this is not
getting appealed. I'm sorry. She crashed into a bunch of
traffic signs and I believe a median which is why
she got pulled over. It's not like she was even swerving.
She got in an accident and it could have been
(30:30):
really bad. She could have killed somebody. And considering you know,
when we were talking about this in the car yesterday,
I first said, Wow, I can't believe they sentenced her,
because we talk about so many duy cases where people
don't get in trouble at all. And I was surprised
at that, And then when I learned that this was
her fourth defense, I do think it's a little light
of a sentence.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, and she really I mean, like, like we were
talking about earlier, with alcoholism being a medical condition and
stuff like it, I have a distaste for people who
drink and drive it just because I just think it's
it's just incredibly selfish and preventable. But like, at the
same time, if you're drinking and driving that much, you
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have I mean, she's an alcoholic and.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
She needs help. She said, she's not ann No, she is.
I don't care what she says. She is like, so, yeah,
you don't. What do you do you want me to
believe that?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
She like, she's had four glasses of wine and at
dinner and come on, this is just it's this is
a clear sign of it. And she I just wish, like,
you're gonna put this chick in jail, but all you're
gonna do when she gets out of jail is increase
her anxiety. And and then she's gonna want to drink more.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I doubt she's gonna go to like a hard jail.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
She'll go to one of those pound me in the
Ass prison.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
What do they say on Office Space, I don't know,
you know that movie Almos a movie pound Me in
the Ass prison or whatever. She's gonna go to, probably
one of those nice prisons that all her other housewife
jail birds have gone to, which they referred to as
camp because it's like nice and they could do whatever
they want. Didn't Teresa good Ice go to jail, Yeah,
(32:12):
and Jennifer Shaw. So she is now the third housewife
in my lifetime that she sent to prison. So, I mean,
it's only the tip of the iceberg. There are there's
there's literally an entire podcast devoted to Bravo lawsuits. There
are so many. I don't know, I'm not I was
(32:34):
surprised by the since at first, but as I said,
now that I've discovered it's her fourth offense, I think
she could have maybe got a little more time. I
don't know why we're letting drunk drivers off so late,
especially when they're in the multiple offense territory. This episode
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Okay, let's get into true crimes because we have some
doozies this week.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
All right, let's talk about the preppy Princeton murder. So
there was these two brothers, Matt and Joe. They were
raised in this wealthy family in New Jersey, and we're
living in a luxury apartment in Princeton. I don't know
if you know this, but we actually drove by this
apartment building when we were in print.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Now, yes, we were in Princeton yesterday. It's, oddly enough,
the first time I've ever been on Princeton's campus, and
I loved it. I thought it was beautiful, and then
I'm like, oh wow, now I could kind of put
we could put ourselves there because we were there. Yet
we were there yesterday for another reason, which obviously, like
we could have checked this out if we knew.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, we didn't even know about this case when we
were there. So now I'm like really mad that we
were all the way there. But I remember I looked
up this apartment building on the map, and then I
specifically remember driving by it because across the street or
near it with some coffee shop, I specifically pointed out
to you and said like we could go there and
get a jury. God. So, anyway, this is all going
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down in Princeton. So Saturday night police respond to this
nine one one call that there's a dead body and
a fire at this luxury apartment building. So they get
to the apartment and they find the younger brother, Joe.
He's dead. He has signs up blone force trauma and lacerations,
and it turns out that the older brother, Matt, had
beat him with a golf club and a knife before
setting the family's cat on fire and then allegedly cutting
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out the younger brother's eyeball and eating it. Yeah, so
when when did the eyeball get caught out? Because was
it before he died or after he died? I don't
really know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
See, they'll be able to tell this at autopsy. Because
the way that the article was written, it was like
ripped out his little brother's eyeball before beating and slashing
him to death. So I'm like, did he rip out
the eye and then beat him up? Like I'm curious
about that. Like, listen, this guy had posted on Facebook
a couple months ago something about sharpening a knife and
(36:27):
blood oozing out of his eyes and stuff. Like, he's
clearly having some kind of psychosis and some kind of
mental health issues that weren't being addressed or treated. I
don't know why he wasn't getting treated for this, but
the Facebook post alone were very alarming. So I'm not
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sure why he was just walking around, but he was
probably hearing voices and stuff. And you see cases of
this from time to time, where people who kill people
do really outrageous things and including cannibalism, and like it's
it's it's like, not like the guy. I don't think
they're gonna find that the guy's evil. He's probably schizophrenic.
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I mean he's thirty one, yeah, he's like in that
age range. So they get to this scene and they
find this kid dead and then there's a plate and
a fork next to his body and his eyeballs missing.
So I always miss it's missing, like they couldn't find
it on the scene.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
They really believe he ate it. No, they really believe
he ate it. And beyond the Facebook post, it doesn't
seem like there was much. I don't know, there weren't
many signs that he was going through something, at least
publicly to family, friends and everything in acquaintances. The poem
on Facebook though, is yeah, weird, it's disturbing. But you know,
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when you think of somebody that would do something like this,
it's like, Okay, they're walking around, they're talking to themselves,
they're like constantly getting in situations. According to everybody, these
brothers were soccers. The whole family with was athletic and
really nice and super sweet, and it just become a
total shock to everybody that knows them.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
And that's another thing that makes you think that he
was really having some kind of psychotic episode, because they
interviewed one of his coaches and he was like, literally,
nothing was ever off. He was totally normal, and that
makes you think, Okay, clearly he was going through something.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah. I mean like, but.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
They have another brother. I mean, imagine being that other brother.
It's just like one of your brothers is dead and
the other. I mean, this is it's a tragedy for
the family.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Really, I don't know. I was trying to figure out.
I don't know if you saw this, like were they
were him and the younger brother living at home with
the parents, because that's what it seemed like, that they
were living in their family home in this luxury apartment,
so that's like the mom and dad's house where they aren't.
That's when I was picking up from the article. So
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I mean, not that people don't do it, but I
would consider it unusual for a thirty year old grown
man to be living at home with their parents. So
I'm just saying, like, I know, people definitely do that,
but that's another sign maybe that maybe he was going
through something and they were like caregivers for him. Maybe.
So I don't know, this is really sad. He's been
charged with first degree murder, weapon offenses and animal cruelty
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and he's facing up to thirty years to life in
prison for this. That's another thing too, like who sets
a count on fire? You know, it's just like the
things that he's doing are.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Just so abnormal that you have to think something's going on.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Okay, In New Hampshire, a twenty three year old content
creator has been arrested after she went into a grocery
store pete on a bunch of products and videoed herself
doing it. I wonder why she did this. It's really so.
This is a New Hampshire, right, yeah. God.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
And then they list the grocery store, which I feel
terrible because it sounds like it's a little like an
organic grocery store, a little family owned place probably, And
here they're having to put out a statement that they
looked at the video and saw all the products that
this woman peded on and threw out the products and
had to clean up the area, and then listed the
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products on the website like, hey, it's not anything fresh.
It was all this packaged stuff. So just make sure
you checked it if you have any of this, and
bring it back to the store and we'll.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Give you a refund.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I mean, like, what the fuck is wrong with people?
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, So they're reporting fifteen hundred dollars in loss, which
that's a really big hit to a small store like
that if they're family owned. And the products that she
contaminated was quen Wa corn meal, shredded coconut polenta, raw walnuts.
Thank god, she didn't pee on any fresh produce or anything.
I mean, at least those things are in packages. Not
that it makes it better necessarily, but it would probably
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be harder to contaminate the food directly. She's contaminating the packages.
But this just seems like a completely mentally ill person
that's not thinking in their right mind.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Well, she was also recording it, and I don't know where,
because they're saying she's some kind of influencer, like was
she doing it for some weeks?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Weird?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Like only fans people urinating on people page or something like,
was she doing it for that reason?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
You know what? I didn't even think about that. And
that makes sense because typically when we cover stories like this,
it'll be like these people were doing it for TikTok
or Instagram and they did not say a platform it
was being posted on. And when they did the investigation,
her videos were going back to twenty twenty one. Yeah,
so she's been doing for a least.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
She's doing it and like people are jerking off to it. Yeah,
makes its fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, especially because the terminology was content creator, not influencer,
which they typically use with people, and.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
They'll typically say the platform too, so they're probably investigating
still to see like who else is involved in this
piss ring, you know. Okay, well, this totally makes sense
that she was doing this for like some weird sexual pleasure, possimly.
I mean, that's just my our opinion is that that
was happening. I would say that would yeah, based on
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the terminology and the way the articles written on all
the different news sites, I would say that it was
probably the most accurate. Okay, this store is really horrible.
So last week in West Palm Beach police got a
call from a local hospital that a nurse had been
critically injured. So while she was working, this patient suddenly
jumped on his bed and then jumped on her started
attacking her, and luckily a witness was nearby to get
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her help quickly, but he really did some damage to
her face.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, this is so scary.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I mean, we just had a story not even a
week ago about a patient who was held was holding
medical staff hostage and shot and injured them, zip tying them,
killed a police officer at a hospital. And now we're
hearing this and this store, and it's kind of makes
you think about how are how are nurses and medical staff,
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anybody working in the hospital being protected where they work.
It's interesting because I was at a hospital today this morning,
and when I walked in, I just was kind of
looking around at the front desk, and I'm like, anybody
could fucking walk right by here and go up on
the floors and have access to people. It's just like
they're not really they're not really checking, especially when it's
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really busy and there's people in and out, and it
does it's a little bit of a vulnerability for sure.
In this case, this woman was beaten so bad that
the trauma physicians are saying that every single bone in
her face was broken. She might lose her eyes because
of it. That's how bad she got beaten. And the
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scariest part is is after this patient beat the shit
out of this nurse, he left the hospital and was arrested,
like running down the street outside.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Well, I think this story in particular is really scary
because unlike the other case. In the other case, a
guy just kind of walked in there and went into
the ICU and took those people hostage and shot all
those people. But in this case, this was a patient
in the bed and they didn't use a weapon. They
were using their body, So how are you supposed to
prevent this?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Well, so this is digging deeper into this. Her family's
super pissed off because apparently he is. Yeah, I mean,
anybody would be pissed off, but when you hear this,
she'll get more pissed off. So apparently this patient is
a psychiatric patient who is being held on something called
a Baker hold, which is an involuntary admission into a
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mental health hospital or program. So you go into the
hospital and you're having some kind of psychotic episode, perhaps
like you want to kill your brother and eat his
eyeballs or something. Right, you go to the hospital and
if you say you want to leave, they're like, you're
not leaving. You're too bad, you can't leave. Okay, Well,
they put him in this hospital that this nurse that
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got beat up was working in, and apparently that hospital
isn't approved to take patients like that. They don't have
the training and they don't have this security to deal
with those patients, so he shouldn't have been there anyway. Yeah,
and now they're saying that this guy was having delusions
and the days leading up to the attack and everything,
So this was like they did not do what they
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should have did to protect her as far as the
information that's being released right now, and I mean, like,
what's the difference. Hopefully they could they could do something
with hospital security, which just needs to be done anyway.
It's long overdue. This isn't this is certainly not the
first time this has happened this week, and you can
(45:30):
It's like you can't one hundred percent prevent all of it,
but like this is just a.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
No known at this point. It's just really scary.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I mean, think you can call about your mother or something.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's fucking terrible. I just think anymore, just being out
in public is scary. I mean, we were having a
situation local to us where this man like locked himself
in a coffee shop nearby with the only girl working
in there, and then thankfully another customer came up and
solemn and you know, interrupted this interaction. But then later
that day he goes to another local business and stabs
(46:03):
a random person. It's just so scary.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It is, and you just hear, I mean, you hear
the most of it. In New York, I feel that
you know, a random person punching someone in the face
or pushing them on the train platform or things like that.
It just didn't like a little like teenage girl get
stabbed in Grand Central station a couple of months ago
or a year.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Ago, whatever.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Like it's just it's really scary because sometimes you see
people walking on the street and they're talking to themselves
and stuff, and you're like.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm gonna go on the other side of the street, right,
But sometimes because you are the asshole if you want
to put yourself in safety, if somebody seems like they're
not acting in the right mind, because we shouldn't be
judging other people like that when I think sometimes somebody's
acting so fucking crazy that it's okay to cross the street, right,
(46:52):
I don't know. Okay.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Other death news, this is a good one, all right.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
So this couple from Australia was headed for an attack
vacation and while they were midflight, a woman that was
on the plane collapsed and died and then they had
to sit next to her for the remainder of the flight.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So I understand that this is not ideal, but you're
on an airplane. They were going from Melbourne, Australia to Venice. Okay,
so you're on an airplane you could possibly be over
the ocean, or you're just on a really long flight.
What are What does everybody want the crew on the
(47:31):
airplane to do with the dead person?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
No, I think the problem in this case was they
were so this dead woman is sitting in the aisle seat,
and then this married couple is in the middle seat
in the window seat. And I think the problem people
have with the story is that there were open seats
elsewhere on the aircraft and the staff would not let
them move. Why would they not be allowed to relocate?
(47:56):
I don't know, because that I don't work on a plane.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
I also just think like it's just not that big
of a deal, like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
According to TMZ, and according to the International Air Transport Association,
it is ceased person should be placed in a seat
quote with few other passengers nearby, and covered with a
bag or a blanket. So when this woman died, they
did cover her body with a blanket, but because of
the motion of the plane, the blanket kept slipping off,
exposing her face to the man next to her. And
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then they had asked to be moved in different seats,
and allegedly the flight attendant said they could not, even
though there was other open seats elsewhere on the aircraft.
So I think that is the issue most people are
having with this, that there was room. It wasn't like
it was a completely packed flight. There was a room,
and they would not listen. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
It's just like I just don't like the guys, like
we were traumatized over and over again, like come on.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Like, well, I think he was traumatized over and over
again when her face kept sliding out of this sheet,
like it's all I pitch you.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You know in Goonies when when like Chunk goes in
the fridge and he turns the guy around and he's
like he's like all dead standing there.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
It's just that's it.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
You know, you're sitting there and this person's going through everything,
rigor mortis everything while they're sitting next to you on
the plane all stiff, like the sheet coming over and
just looking at you with their dead eyes.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
I don't know, it's just like it's just listen. If
this has a deal, like it would be something to
talk about, but it's not like ruining your vacation. Come on,
But if this happened to me and there was other
seats open that I could see, Fuck the flight attendants,
just get up and go to them. Yeah, I mean that.
I literally was thinking that.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I was just like, why did they listen like I
I would have been like, no, I'm gonna go up,
get up to pee, and then I'm sitting over there.
And if you have a problem with it, then oh well,
I mean you don't really you don't really want to
start a fight with a flight attendant because then all
of a sudden, it's gonna be like an issue with you.
And I think every person in the world would understand, like, hey,
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there's like a dead person next to me. I just
wanted to move over there with a live person. But
there might be reasons because I was trying to tell
the kids this too. When you go on the airplane,
they like you to sit in the seat that you're
assigned to because your name is associated with that seat.
(50:26):
I guess in case there's an issue. They don't like
people not sitting where they're supposed to be sitting, you know,
like you're supposed to be in seat twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
This is an emergency. I'm sorry, this is my proposal.
It's just a dead person. Don't they have access to
the underneath where the luggages. No, I don't think so, Okay,
if they did this was my They shouldn't make what
they should make like a slide. They should put in
slide so they can put the person down there and
(50:57):
then just have them down there until they get to
the destination. Yeah, it would solve a lot of fraud.
It would solve all the problems. But I guess then
you have others.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
They could put a trapdoor in like underneath of the carpet,
because really, if they go down the trap door and
they hurt themselves, like, they're already dead, so it's not
that big of a deal.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
I mean, people are probably really not gonna be for
that idea. But it's like, do you want to sit
next to a dead person for a multi hour flight
or would you rather them go down the little shoe
and be in mine?
Speaker 1 (51:25):
I would have been taken selfies with the dead lady.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, you're a free so of course would listen. It's
not my, it's not it's not like it's their grandmom.
They don't know who it is who cares. All right, whatever,
let's move on a question of the day. Every Friday
at the at mother knows death Instagram account, You guys
can head to our story and ask us whatever questions
you want. First, once my friend told me her father
(51:49):
was so constipated that he pooped out of his mouth.
Can this happen?
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Oh my god, No, No, not really.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
I mean it's not really in theory.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
If you are so constipated, you could start regurgitating maybe
some small bow contents up there a little bit like
you're not having.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
It could be like early stages of poop. It's not
going to.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Be like a full turd coming out of your mouth.
It's that's not happening.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
It's you know, like I'm trying to think of any
kind of scenario that would even be able to happen,
and I just don't think so. Like one time I
opened someone's chest cavity and there was poop in their
chest cavity, But then it was like they ended up
having some crazy hernia that went up into their chest
and perporated, and it wasn't even really again, it wasn't
(52:43):
like turd poop. It was like it was like small
bell poop. So and that's the chest that wasn't even
out of the mouth. Like I just I don't. Her
friend told her this, that this happened.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah, she said, my friend told me her father was
so constipated he pooped out of his mouth. No, all
right too. Is there a reason to shave someone's head
during an autopsy.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
No, There's been a couple times that I've had to
cut a little bit of people's hair if they really
want a brain removal. So in normal cases, if you
have hair, like if you're looking at Maria right now,
hair that's just like very easy to brush and stuff,
I would just get a comb. I kept a comb
in the morgue, and I would make the part where
(53:28):
I need to make the incision. So then when I
make the decision, the incision along the part, it really
only cuts a few pieces.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Of hair going through.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
But there's been times where, one particular time, like I
had a woman with two to a woman with dreadlocks,
and a woman with braids that we're all tied up
in a certain kind of way that I was like,
there's not going to be a way for me to
do this incision without cutting some of these pieces off.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And in that.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Circumstance, if it's a few is a hair that could
just be covered with a part or something. I don't
feel bad about that. But like now, if we're talking
about cutting out like multiple braids or dreadlocks out of
someone's hair, I would just like I called the funeral
director and just said, hey, I have to take out
the brain. Is this okay? Because it's the only way
that I could get out the brain. So either decide
(54:19):
that you don't want me to take out the brain,
or let me cut the hair, like give them that
option just because I don't want to do it, and
then send the body over to the funeral home and
have the family freak out right, and they would have
a right to over that. So but to shave, it's
there's just no reason, like use a scalpel blade that's
very thin, that could fit on any part of the hair.
(54:41):
It's just unless there's been time like one time I
had a patient that had very matted hair that hadn't
been brushed in months. It was like that big ball
of matte hair, and in that case I would have
had to cut it off.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
But that in that.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Particular case, I wasn't taking out the brain, so I
could see maybe in some extenuay circumstances.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
What about in a case like Ellen Greenberg, for example,
when she has a bunch of stab wounds.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
On her head, Well, I guess yeah, And like if
you're talking about just brain removal, then then yet for sure,
like if you're trying to look at a wound, yeah,
you would do that just if it was a case
that wasn't clear cut. I'm pretty sure that they did
in her case, that they would cut around the wounds
(55:26):
and stuff like that. But I don't in a regular autopsy,
there would never be a reason to do that.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
Like now that we're thinking about this, like when Teddy
Mellencamp just got those tumors removed, Like why do they
have to shave her whole head?
Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, you have a different situation now with surgery, because
surgery is a sterile environment and you want to have
like hair could just grab bacteria, and you just don't
want any kind of dirt or anything in the in
the surgical field as much as possible. So that's why
they do that in that situation. But like for autopsy,
it's like who care, they're dead, They're not going to
(56:01):
get a bacterial infection in their brain. Like the last
thing you want is to introduce bacteria into someone's brain.
Did you say she ended up getting four tumors. Yes,
and the imaging is crazy, the one to see the imaging,
the one is so big. I'm just like, I feel
terrible to look at that.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
It's just so it's just not good. All right. Last
question is Maria, how was it growing up telling your
friends your mom did autopsies. Well, you started doing autopsies
when I was a teenager, so I feel like, in general,
it was pretty hard for people to get over the
fact that I was in high school and had a
parent in in her twenties, so that was like first obstacle.
(56:40):
I mean, people thought it was cool. I mean people
still think it's cool when they asked me what you do,
and they think it's really interesting, especially because like you're
a young, pretty lady that wants to do it, not
just like you know. I feel like a lot of times,
well it.
Speaker 1 (56:54):
Was cool too, because we were talking at Emma last
night at dinner. Like I said, she was our grocer
and winter for the dinner, and her dad was a toxicologist,
so she was telling us crazy stories about when she
was growing up, about the different cases he would work
on and interesting things like that. So for us it's
like and even before I started doing autopsy, I worked
(57:14):
in pathology and scientology for several years before that too,
so Maria's been and then I went to school for
that and Maria was like in second grade, like when
I was looking at slides under the microscope and stuff.
So she's been in that world for a long time.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
It's just kind of like normal for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I mean, like, I don't know if it's weird, right.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I just think with you know, at the time you
started doing it, you know, NCIS was huge, and there
was that girl that kind of looked like you. So everybody,
I feel like, understood more because there was a pop
culture relevant or pop culture reference to go hand in
hand with it. Yeah, but otherwise I don't think people
really would have gotten it. And again, that show was
(57:59):
not really that accurate to what you were doing in
real life, No, not even a little bit. It placed
a young, beautiful woman with dark, long hair in a lab,
and I think people started understanding more with that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Remember that one that one someone wrote an article about
me called the Real Abby from NCIS or something like that.
That was like really long time. That was a really
long time ago. I know, Yeah, I got into it
a little bit before I guess there. I mean, there's
always been true crime stuff on TV, like there was
like Quincy and stuff, but there wasn't a ton of
(58:34):
shows on back then besides like that show I guess
and those types of things.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
But yeah, that and CSI right, and those.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Shows are absolutely terrible.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
They're the worst shows.
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Mom and pop up used to watch them all the time.
And I would come home from school or just go,
you know, and I would just be like, like, what
are you watching right now? And I'd watch it. I
get so pissed off. I'd be like, yeah, Okay, that's
what happened. Oh that's what the Medical Examiner looks like.
Speaker 2 (59:03):
Well they really think it does. And they think it's
that easy that you could get DNA and tox to
college year results in like, you know, forty five minutes,
which is just like.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
There was this show on one time. I think it
was called Crossing Jordan or something like that, or maybe
it wasn't, I don't remember, but there was like a
woman's a very beautiful woman who was playing like the
Philadelphia Medical Examiner, and they so not only that compared
to the guy who was actually the chief at the time,
which was like gross. But then number two, the morgue
(59:35):
it they wanted. They got a new one in Philadelphia now,
but at the time when I was there, it was
like it was like seventies as shit with the wood
paneling and everything.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, and their morgue, and this show was.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Like all stainless steel and beautiful with like all of
the latest souls and everything, and You're just like, Okay,
this is nothing what this looks like at all?
Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, exactly. All right, Well, thank you guys so much.
If you have a shocking story, please submit it to the
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