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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have so many
stories to cover today, some heavier ones that we didn't
have with my mom on yesterday's episode because she might
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not be able to handle some of this content if
we don't want to hear her cry on the air.
All right, our first as we're going to talk about
the mass murder suicide in New York City that happened
this week and what was said in his suicide note.
Pro wrestler Hulk Cogan is dead. We have an update
on celebrity chef Anne Burrell. A few summertime freak accidents,
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including a child that plummeted to their death off of
a water side and a woman whose scalp was ripped
off at a fair ride. Also have a terrible story
evolving a child dying in a hot car at the
hands of people who were supposed to be removing him
from danger. All that and more on today's episode. God,
this New York City shooting was really was really scary,
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especially the area where it was happening.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So Monday afternoon, this crazy event started going down in
midtown Manhattan. There was this huge police response to the
building that houses the NFL headquarters, amongst a couple of
other companies as well. So basically what happened is this
twenty seven year old guy drove all the way from
Las Vegas, he parked his car, then walked two whole
blocks holding a rifle. Can you imagine seeing something like
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that a person walking with a gun?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I mean in Manhattan, there is definitely people who saw
him walking with this huge rifle in his arms, because
there's people everywhere, especially in midtown Manhattan in the middle
of the day, and the the CCTV footage of him
walking on the street with that weapon is so scary,
(02:01):
And it is possible that people called the police and
said that there was a guy walking around with that,
but just they didn't get there in time. Maybe. I mean,
I'm sure all that will come out eventually.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Do you know what else I noticed in those photos though,
is a lot of people looking at their phones and
just being totally unobservant of their surroundings. And it's really
shocking to see this picture of a man in an
open space holding a rifle like this and just people
clearly not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, it really is. It's I mean, if you if
you saw somebody anywhere that, unless you were at a
gun range, that was carrying around a weapon like that,
then you should automatically be like, oh my god. And
especially in the middle of the city. There's absolutely no
reason that anybody would be carrying a weapon like that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I do feel like a lot of it is the shock,
like you might see that and you just it takes
a minute to register, right, Like I can't be seeing
this right like this man, you're just like this or
this is just like some weird New York person that's
carrying around this fake gun.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know, Like nobody wants to
think anybody's gonna do something like this. But like it's
crazy that that he didn't get taken down way before
this even happened.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So he goes in the lobby of this building. He
opens fire there. He goes to the elevator, which apparently
he let a woman get off the elevator unharmed, which
I thought was interesting. Then he goes up the elevator
to the floor of the guy who owns the building,
opens fire in there. So overall he shot five people.
He killed four one of which was an off duty
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police officer who was working security that day. That guy's
wife is pregnant with their third child.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I know. It's so I just you know, and think about,
like you're from her perspective, like your husband's in New
York City cop, and everybody that's married to a cop
right now is just on this different level of fear.
I'm assuming I'm not. I'm not in that situation, but
I would be. And you're like, oh, well, he's working
security in an NFL building, a building has NFL offices
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and stuff. Like if I was the wife, I would
be like, Okay, that's like not as dangerous as him
doing drug busts on the streets or anything else, pulling
people over in situations where that he would be in
more danger. Like I can't, I can't even imagine what
this poor woman's going through. She's she's very pregnant too.
It's just so terrible.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
No, it's horrible. So I guess employees started hearing the
gunfire and then they were told this shelter in place.
So these really disturbing photos have come out of them
just stacking as much furniture as possible in front of
any doorway so this person can't get into their office space.
I would have been having a meltdown, Like I don't
even know if I I always worry about this, if
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I was in like a situation like this in public,
how I would even respond or if my brain could
even compute to try to save myself, Like seriously, I
feel like it'd be in such a shock.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's kind of it's awesome that they all got together
and realized what was happening. I mean, it's it's very unexpected,
Like if you work in a political office, you might
be more inclined to expect some kind of violence in
a situation like that, Like when you work it NFL,
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like you're working for a football organization. I just would
think that, like you would never that wouldn't be on
your radar that somebody would ever be coming in and shooting,
Like why why does anybody have anything against football? Like
most people are happy when they think about football. I
don't know. It's just like a very unusual place for
something like that to occur. But I guess, like how
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we're living right now is you just have to have
your eyes open at all times, no matter the most
benign thing that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, let's talk about the reason. Because the shooter ended
up killing himself by shooting himself in the chest, which
I think everybody could say is kind of a weird
place to shoot yourself, right, But then they ended up
finding this note in his pocket. He suffered from CTE
and he was asking that his brain be studied. So
you have to argue if he shot himself in the chest,
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he was intentionally trying to save his brain, if that
was his true motive behind the shooting. And they're also
saying that the NFL was mentioned in this note, and
he did play football in high school, So I'm wondering
if he's putting all of the blame on them, because
that's what it's looking like right now.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Well, it looks like he's been suffering from mental health
problems for a long time in his life. And they
even made mention of finding some psychoactive kind of drugs
in his car. Didn't mention which ones they were, but
ones that you would be taking for a mental illness.
Now I don't know exactly what he was diagnosed with,
(06:46):
but so CTE that Maria is talking about is called
chronic traumatic encephalopathy, and that is what you think of
when you hear about football players having all of these
problems later in their life. It's not just specific to
football players. It could be uh, wrestlers. It happened in
a case with a pro wrestler that that killed his
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family and then killed himself.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, Chris ben wah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah. So so really it is a thing that has
been and wasn't what was that one football player, well,
an example of the football player, but he had confirmed
CTE after his autopsy. Yeah, So what I wanted to
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say is that all of these different people and it
probably happens in people too, like we'll talk about that
later with hul Kogan for example. And and some could
argue that some of the things that he said in
his life could have been a result of repeated head trauma. Right,
but some people don't go completely nuts, and then other
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people go completely nuts, like like the Aaron hernandez one
and the crisp uh how do you say his listen,
ben Wall BENI it's definitely not benoid. So the thing
is is that doctors can observe certain symptoms that occur
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in patients that have a history of repeated head trauma.
But the only way to truly diagnose CTE is that
autopsy by looking at the brain under the microscope. So
this guy is that at an unusual age because he's
twenty seven years old, and you would say, oh my god,
this this kid is he's so young to be having
things like this happen to him, and and that a
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lot of times certain symptoms like that come from other
psychiatric diseases, such as schizophrenia, will start to show their
ugly head around the twenties, around the same time, so
it is possible that he just has something completely unrelated
to having traumatic injuries playing football. But apparently he's been
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playing football his entire life, and we know that we
see kids starting playing football when they're like five years old,
maybe even younger. And the thing is is that if
you get one concussion, you're supposed to be cool, but
it's like any more than one concussion could really set
you up for having these changes in your brain permanently.
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So one of the things that happens with these people
is that they start exhibiting signs of depression, but then
they also have a cognitive impairment, mood and personality changes
and just different things like that that can be attributed
to that. But really they're only going to get treated
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based upon their symptoms rather than having this thing because,
like I said, they don't really truly know. Now, let
me tell you about this really interesting study that I found.
So a study was done by the NIH and it
was a NIH funded research at Boston University. Analyzed one
hundred and fifty two brains. One hundred and forty one
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were male and eleven were female. Now this was important
to say that all of these people died. The most
common reason that these people died so number one, they
were thirty years old or younger, So very young people
that died, and most of them died by either suicide
so killing themselves or overdosing on drugs accidentally. So you're
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talking about people that were having severe mental illness to
the point where they killed themselves, or they were having
mental illness to the point where they were addicted to
drugs okay, so and felt that they had to self
treat in that way. And of that research that was done,
they found that more than forty percent of those people
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under thirty years old had chronic traumatic encephalopathy and it
was reported in people as young as seventeen years old,
like that's that's that's really shocking. Yeah, of course it is,
because if you think about everyone that you interact with
in your life, so many people. Now it's important to
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say that most of the people in this study were
playing American what you would call American football. Okay, but
one was a female in the study that had a
history of playing soccer. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So yeah, so you're saying soccer too. I mean, this
is a really big problem in the hockey world and
wrestling as we know too. I mean, these people are
getting I feel like, I feel like the hockey players
actually might get it worse than football players because they
are constantly crashing, falling down, slipping on the ice. Right,
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it's any contact sport. I am surprised with the soccer
because I don't consider that like a contact sport necessarily.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
No, it it they fall hard. And the thing is
is it's like you're you're considered to be at risk
if you fall in and hit in your head and
had to traumatic brain injuries of concussion or greater. And
I mean, it's it's clear, this is like, this is
almost like a weird I don't even want to compare
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this because it's it's kind of sick. But this is
like a weird like Luigi Mangioni type killing where this
guy is trying to like bring awareness to this particular
brain issue that the NFL is just not taking seriously enough,
like right to their offices. And it's there's just it's
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it's it's just like it's upsetting, but but it's also
it's also something. You know, how like when the Luigi
Mangioni thing happened, they all of a sudden were like
like taking it more seriously, the thing with the rejected
claims and stuff like. You almost think that this might
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bring like more change to to this underlying condition for
people to be like this, this is real and people
are going nuts because of it.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that's
going to happen because, in my opinion, the NFL has
been going out of their way to act like CTE
is a totally made up thing, it doesn't exist. NHL also,
in my opinion, is not really addressing it as much
as they should be. To bring up your point, Like
about wrestling, I think we can all say Vince McMahon's
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an incredibly problematic person and many regards in life right.
But one thing I took away from his docu series
was it did seem like he was the only one
in these organized sports that kind of took it seriously
and provided education to the wrestlers about the harm it
could do. It doesn't necessarily mean they made changes, but
he actually was willing to take a look.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And that's the rock and the hard place in this situation,
because the only change that you can make with football
is not playing football. Well, there's no helme, Like the
helmets aren't working. It's and like, what could you do?
Like non contact football? Don't they do that in school?
Like flag football or whatever? With the kids play like
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nobody wants to watch that. So they're like, Okay, we
either have to shut this whole thing down or this now.
The problem is is that when you talk to a
kid that especially doesn't come from any money or anything,
when they're seventeen years old and say, hey, we're going
to offer you this contract for millions of dollars and
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it might cause you brain damage when you're fifty years old,
do you think that care? The kid gives a shit,
Like they're like I could get out of like I
could get into a better life situation financially for me
and my family, Like, I'm gonna do whatever, And lots
of people do that with jobs like abuse the shit
out of their bodies, even like I could go as
an example with Gabe on a much lighter level of
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like him moving furniture and thinking he was getting paid
a ton at a time when he was a teenager
and now his body hurts so frickin' bad every day
because he was lifting shit that that that would only
take a toll on you when you got older, but
when you're a kid at the time, you're just not
thinking about being fifty because it seems so far away,
and then all of a sudden it's here, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, Yeah, so we could argue that the only way
to get rid of it in general is to take
away the sport as a whole. But I also feel
like these organizations are going out of their way to
not even offer any type of like safety to offer Yeah,
but could try to offer more padding in the helmets, guards,
blah blah blah, like they want to act like it
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doesn't exist. They completely blow it off because they don't
want to acknowledge that it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
They blow it off because there's nothing they could do
to fix it. That's why.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And to your many, I don't think a couple of
people getting killed in the lobby is enough for the
NFL to be like, oh my god, you're right, this
is a problem. I think somebody on a much higher
level and a much more high profile thing would have
had to occur for them to take it seriously. I mean,
with the Luigi Mangioti case, the CEO got murdered, not
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a random health care employee, like they cared because a
super rich, notable guy got killed. Right, And I'm not
saying these people's lives didn't matter. They certainly did the
people that just got murdered, But in the grand scheme
of things, the NFL is not gonna give a shit,
Like they're gonna issue there like we're so sorry what happened,
and then it's gonna be that what are they gonna do?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's possible. I just think that if this guy was
suffering mental health at home and killed himself in his
house and even left the note, it wouldn't even have
gotten any attention. And and now it's like, Okay, everybody
is faced with this on so many different levels. Attention
and it's really it's really terrible that it's it's a
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weird it's a weird thing to just think about because
you're just we're talking about the cop that got killed,
and it's like, what the hell did he have to
do with anything? He was just sitting there like like
he didn't have anything to do with anything, and like
any any of the people there that got killed probably
didn't either. It's just just like it just was like
an attention totally for attention the whole thing. And what
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happened exactly what he wanted was that they go on
the news and they read his letter out loud and
everybody's like, oh shit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
But the same could be said with the people Aaron
Hernandez killed and Chris bin wag killing his entire family,
Like what did those people doult.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's a result of it, exactly, And and it's just
it's just interesting because this has been happening since the
beginning of time, with boxers and and and football, and
now it's like it's getting a little bit too, like
it's getting harder and harder to ignore.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But what happens when they do his autopsy, if he
doesn't have it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's it's quite possible he didn't, because, like I said,
he's just at the age where other mental health issues
are presenting themselves as well, So he very well could
could not have it. But if he does, and we
will certainly figure out if he does, and that might
take a while, then I definitely think it deserves a conversation.
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But like, don't I don't really know what the solution
is being from them from their point of view as
to how to stop it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Do you think there's a possibility they could create a
brain scan at some point in time to diagnose it
while people are alive, or do you just think the
way it has to be looked at it's not it's
just right now.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The way that it has to be looked at is,
like I never want to say never, because there's absolutely
things that will be possible in the future. Just right now,
the amount of brain tissue that you need to look
at isn't something as simple as obtaining a small biopsy
to look at it. You just can't take chunks, Like
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if you wanted to see if a person had a
disease process in their colon, you could take out a
person's whole colon and they could live like if you
really had to you look at it under the microscope.
It's like you just can't take out someone's brain like that.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
No, I'm not talking about taking it out. I'm talking
about like a type of like MRI cat scan situation
that would be able to see it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, and there's certain changes that they can see I
guess on imaging, but it's just not it could be
seen in other brain disorders as well, And we don't know,
like this guy could totally just have schizophrenia and just
have convinced himself that he has CT and no doctor
has even mentioned it to him, or maybe maybe he
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feels maybe a doctor has said, like listen, like your
symptoms are consistent with this. We don't really know the
full story as of right now, but like I don't,
I don't really know what the answer is. It's as
a see, I'm a parent of of of all girls
that don't play contact sports like that, so it's not
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a concern for me for my particular family. But I've
thought about this since I had children, Like if I
had a son, would I want him to play a
like a sport like that. And honestly, like one of
the women that live across the street from me, that's
a nurse, like her son wants to play football and
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she's like, hell, no, you're not playing football. And it like,
in one sense you see him out front throwing out
around the football and you're like, that's sad he wants
to play football. But at the same sense, you're just like,
if that kid, if that kid is going to be
set up to go nuts when he's in his twenties
or thirties or forties, Like, is that you're actually protecting them?
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You know? And like one person could say you're like
being crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
But as a parent, like could you be like, listen,
you can join, but if you get hurt, like you're done.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah. I mean, like I think a lot of times
when I was a kid, you would hear a person
a kid get a concussion, because kids get concussions. One
of my best friends growing up actually we went to
the movies with her to see this movie called Prancer.
It's Christmas movie, and me and my dad dropped her
off and she ran up the hill to her house
and tripped and like headfirst into the brick outside of
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our house, and her parents had to bring her to
the hospital. She had a concussion right, Like concussions aren't happen.
But to think that you only get this j like
get out of JOU free card twice in your life,
you could easily get one in a car accident, like
really once in your life, because then the second time
it like sets you up for having some kind of
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disruption with your brain tissue and function, don't I don't
know that I would be like, well, let's wait and
see if you get a traumatic brain injury and then
we'll think about quitting. Like that's just kind of you're
just trying to avoid it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I know, But I'm just saying, like, not every single
football player and hockey player and any contextport, the cross whatever,
not every single one of them get concussions. Some people
go their entire career without get exactly, but some people
go their career with having like five.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's just like just talking about this particular study that
I'm talking about, especially with young people, and it really
does make you wonder because sometimes you have people in
your life that might start acting unusual or being weird,
and then it's something that you wouldn't even think of,
like oh, they used to play sports their whole life,
and add these head injuries and stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It's because it's like you could bring it back to
people not acknowledging that we're just living in a society
of alcoholics. Like people just don't want to accept that
that's the reason it's happening. They just refuse to believe
it because they don't want their precious Sundays taken away.
They don't want this thing they've loved for years going away.
I understand it's this huge organization, but like you have
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to think of the player's safety.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I would say that, and this is something that I
don't know statistically, but I would say that this is
a specific most commonly seen in America because the traumatic
There are people that have been involved in these studies
that have played rugby, like sports that you would play
in other countries, soccer obviously, but it's it's specifically for
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whatever reason, football players are getting the majority. Like I
know you said you think hockey, it's not hockey. It's
like it's barely even ever on the list. It's it's
it's the primary thing is American football. Yeah, like seventy
five percent of the injuries are due to that sport.
So whatever it is, however, whatever angle they're hitting their
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head or more prone to it or whatever, because the
helmet offers kind of a false sense of security too. Yeah,
and also you have issues with when you're talking about
like very competitive like high school and college sports, if
someone gets a mild concussion, even is that it's something
they're reporting or they're trying to like not put that
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guy out on il and like push him through well
you know what I mean, Like that could happen too,
And even a mild concussion is a brain injury, so
like it's it's just something to think about.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, and then I think of the worst case situations
where I remember that Miami Dolphins quarterback fell and his
like fingers were turning in all those that was horrible
to see. I mean, we look at some pretty horrific
pictures every day, and that was something that bothered me.
And I'll never forget it. I can't even fathom it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
All right, So let's since we're on this subject, let's
talk about Hull Cogan because I know that there's been
a lot of controversy with him over the years because
of certain things that he said, for sure, which were
like not cool, we're not really inappropriate. But but like
now I didn't even think about this because I really
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wanted to focus on his long term steroid use. But
but you have to think, like when you have a
person that's had that history of getting blows to the
head his whole life, like it could I mean, the
guy could just be a scumbag and could have been
his whole life, But it also could be because of
this history of traumatic brain injury, of saying things that
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are inappropriate and having there's all different sorts of things
like personality changes and stuff. So I don't know if
anyone's ever brought that up. I'm just saying that that's
a possibility. With that.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well, I don't think people are bringing it up because
I mean what we know right now is they're reporting
it as your favorite cardiac orist, right, so we don't
really know what went down yet. But I mean, yeah,
if you guys were part of our YouTube live last Friday,
we really got into it. I mean, this guy had
been using steroids for decades. In this trial against Vince
mcmahn in the nineties, he went on the stand and
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said by that point he had already been using steroids
for almost twenty years, so since the seventies, that is insane.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, and I mean long term steroid use is terrible
on the body. Like, yes, it makes you look good,
well if you consider that to be look good. It
increases your body muscles and just makes you way more
built and buff looking that you could look with your
regular activity. But it's been linked to heart attacks, heart failure, arrhythmia, cardiomyopathy,
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and using it long term like that only weakens his
heart over time, right, So that and they're saying, yeah,
cardiac arrest, and like you know that that pisses me
off because obviously everybody dies when their heart stops, so
like his heart stop, that's what cardiac arrest means. But
he was apparently having some kind of health problems with it,
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and then he had this addiction. So because of all
the injuries from now you have to think like this
guy had over twenty five surgeries because of the injuries
he got as a wrestler.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, he've wrestled also, note till he was fifty nine
years old.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, but so think about this, like twenty five surgeries
on broken bones, shoulders, replacements, this, and that. He was
hitting his head a lot too. It just wasn't like, oh,
he broke his he had twenty five surgeries to replace
his joints in his bones, but like his head was
totally unaffected. Like trust me, his head was banked several
times and after that he got an addiction to painkillers
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because of the procedures he was getting done. And uh so, honestly,
like again, it was just kind of the same as
with Ozzy Osbourne, like I'm not surprised, Like this isn't
really shocking to me when a person abuses their body
their whole life, that they die at a fairly younger age.
I was actually saying this on the YouTube live though.
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I couldn't believe that he was only what was he
seventy seventy one? He was seventy one years old. Because
when I think of Hulcoke, because I don't follow wrestling
at all, but when I was a kid in the eighties,
there were these like Saturday Morning cartoons and like WWE Wrestling,
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and then there was like a girls one called gloag
Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling, right, and it was like like
this was before there was phones and iPads and stuff,
So like we did that on Saturdays when we woke up,
we watched these shows That's how I think of hul
Cogan with like Andre the Giant and Captain Lou Albano
and all these people, right, And when I think of
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him visually, I think like, Okay, he was like a
fifty year old dude in my mind, and when you
look at pictures of him, he looks like a fifty
year old dude. He was like in nineteen eighty five,
he was thirty one. He was your age in nineteen
eighty five. He looks he just looks rough. So so
for me to think that he's only seven, like I
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thought he was going to be like ninety, I didn't freak.
I just thought he was so much older than he
was all the time. But you know, people could get
that look when they abuse their bodies for such a
long time too.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Listen, Terry's just looked the same age his entire life.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I highly encourage everybody watched the Mister McMahon docuseries on Netflix.
I think it's a really great look into the WWE
and wrestling as a whole. I actually kind of wish
we did this story with momm yesterday because I remember
like being a little kid and all all of us
just sitting in the family room. It was on in
the nineties. It was totally inappropriate for me to be watching.
(29:28):
But whatever, it was like a nice familie.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That time period was more like the rock and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Well it was transitioning into that. But like when you
watch this docuseries and they're showing you the WWE in
the nineties and like how sexual it was and how
it's absolutely insane. Everybody's like broided out of their minds.
It actually is unbelievable that this period in television happened.
It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So in the gross Room this week, I think we're
going to do the high profile death dis section or
the celebrity deaths section on him this week on Hold
on whole Cogar, just because I mean, like, obviously, so
many people die from cardiac arrest, right, so that's not
the interesting part of the story, but the interesting part
of the story. I always try to, whenever we're writing
(30:12):
these up, pick like a certain thing that is different
from other deaths, and in this case, I really want
to focus on the long term effects of steroid use
and like what that looks like on the body, from
the skin to guys having itty bitty testicles to everything
else that goes along with it, the roid rage, all
(30:33):
that stuff. So I think that'll be really interesting to
talk about next week.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
All Right. We also have updates on Anne Burrel. So
we also went over this in our YouTube live if
you guys want to check that out in the gross room. So,
she was also initially reported as cardiac arrest found dead
in the shower as a reminder, and now her cause
of death has been acute intoxication due to which medications.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So essentially they were saying it is a cute intoxication
due to combined effects of drugs including benadryl, ethanol, zero
tech and phetamine. Okay, these drugs, so this is this
is my my little pearls of pathology for this particular case.
(31:19):
So when you look at these drugs, people drink. People
might have a couple drinks of wine and I or whatever,
right people might like today, I was telling Maria before
we started recording that snot is pouring out of my
nose and I look and on the allergy like dust
is really high where I'm at right now. So I'm like, okay,
I have allergies. I'll probably take allergy medicine. Later to
(31:41):
make it stop. So she had Benadryl in her system
and zero TECH, which is like most people know you
shouldn't take those together, but like people do, right, especially
if you're having like really really bad allergies, people do.
I mean, I've definitely done it and exactly like I've
done it before too. And she had ethanol in her system,
(32:01):
so like it could be like again, people don't realize
that certain medications you shouldn't drink on. And then she
had adderall or amphetamine, which could be like adderall, which
is a pill that she could take every day. So
in theory, like this could be an accidental overdose of
just people taking prescription. Let's say you wake up in
(32:24):
the morning, you take your adderall, right, and then a
couple hours later you start having allergies, so you take
zero tech and it doesn't go away. So by later
at night you take benadru before you go to bed,
and then you also, like, but maybe at dinner time
you had a couple drinks. Right that that to me
is like not super out of the ordinary. So when
they say and they don't give us much information on
(32:46):
her autopsy, right, we don't get the report. But when
they say that she died of suicide Number one, it's investigation.
So does she have any suicidal ideations? Did she have
a history of previous suicide attempts? Did she leave a
note saying that she was going to kill herself? The
interviewing the family like, was she depressed, was she seeing
a mental health therapist? All that stuff. But on top
(33:06):
of that, the only thing that I could come up
with is that the levels of these particular drugs in
her system were at non therapeutic levels. So if you
look at all these things in someone's system and it
looks like, okay, they had the normal dose of benadryl
and the normal dose of zero TECH, then you would
be like, Okay, this was an accident. And they didn't
(33:27):
have a history of suicidal ideations, you would be like,
this is an accident. But the levels, the toxicology levels,
which they haven't provided from us, had to be like
off the chain that they were like, Okay, this was intentional.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, That's what I was wondering as well, because I
was just like, if you just happened to take this,
how would they know if you were killing yourself or
if it was an accidental overdose. But I guess it's
just more about not what it is, but the amount
of what it is.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And another thing too, is like when they do the autopsy,
they check the stomach contents to see what the person
had recess ingested. And often times if a person does
try to kill themselves with medication, they'll have way too
many pills inside of their stomach. That it like if
you're taking zero tack for your allergies, you're taking one pill,
So if there's ten of them in your stomach that's
(34:16):
that are partially digested, You're gonna be like, Okay, that's
that's not normal. This person isn't taking this for allergies.
They're trying to harm themselves. So and even if they
didn't see that stuff, like I said, the levels in
the blood would indicate certainly that like somebody was trying
to hurt themselves.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
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and that's that's a really interesting subject actually because I
actually know a few people that I suspect.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Are taking steroids. It's pretty obvious when people are taking them. Yeah,
I'll still have a really good vagina related case that
is outrageous that I'll be posting probably probably today actually,
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Speaker 1 (35:49):
All right, so we're going to talk about a couple
accidents that happened that are specifically related to summertime accidents,
which are just really upsetting because oftentimes it's like parents
are just trying to do the right thing and like
entertain their kids so they have a fun summer and
then something terrible happens, like a kid dies or gets injured.
(36:09):
We didn't we're not even really formally talking about this
on this episode because there are unfortunately so many drownings
that happen every single day, but this one happened close
to us at Hershey Park, which is kind of crazy
because that was their first reported death ever at Hershey Park.
Really and yes, wow, which which is yeah, and that's
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a lot in Hershey Park. I don't know if is
Hershey Park like big all over the world or like
it just do people like actually go there on vacation
or it's just people local here that like drive there.
I don't really know how it works. I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I mean I would be I would be surprised if
people like traveled from really far to go there. I
just think of it as like we go there because
we lived out too far, or if you're like passing
through the.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Area, you would go there. Yeah, I'm not really sure
about that. But anyway, the thing, like, there was stuff
going around the news that the kid had a previous
medical and incident some kind of maybe like a seizure,
was having some kind of underlying health condition which caused
the kid to drown. But the medical examiner did do
the autopsy en ruled that it was an accidental drowning.
(37:17):
Do it was an accident due to drowning, so no
underlying health condition was seen in that child. So it
was strictly a freak accident. And now this this next case,
while it didn't happen in America. It's actually I looked
at the case and I was just like, this is
kind of weird that they let that they let this happen. Anyway,
(37:41):
it seemed to me like it was like, well, in
the eighties, they for sure let me go down on
my dad's lap on a water slide like that. But
I don't know if they do stuff like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I didn't think that was unusual at all. I feel
like they always have kids that are under a certain
size held by the parents.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Not as far as anything that I've brought the kids
on their life. It's even when we were on the cruise,
Rexy couldn't go on a certain one because he didn't
weigh enough. Even with Gabe, he wasn't allowed to go on. Yeah,
and that's my nephew. They just were like, he doesn't
weigh enough and he's fifty pounds. Yeah, so think about that,
(38:24):
And all the other ones that we've gone on have
been like this double inner tu connected thing where like
the parent has to go in a certain spot and
the kid has to go in a certain spot. And
a lot of times we go to places where they
weigh us and they'll say like they want, you know,
one kid to go with, like the lightest kid to
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go with the heavier with the heaviest parent.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, I guess with water slides it makes more sense
to just not allow the kid at all. But I
was more so speaking to like regular rides. I mean
definitely when the kids were younger, I remember going on
certain things. Remember, I mean, I guess it's changed. I
was thinking of going on Space Mountain, and you used
to hold the kid right in front of you, but
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now they all have individual seats, which I feel like
made me more anxious when I went on with Lilian,
because I was like, so scared She's just gonna slip
right out of the seat.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah. And the thing is, though, like I have a
picture somewhere in my house of me and my dad
going down a water slide in the eighties, and like
I'm like sitting on his lap or in between his
legs or something like that. Shit would not go down
now because of situations like this, So why not you?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, So this one's out of Croatia, so a father
was holding his toddler and they went down a waterside
at the park and suddenly she fell from his arms
about eleven and a half feet onto a concrete surface
to her death. So this, yeah, like when you talk
about it, it doesn't make sense today with every with
like all the accidents and new regulations and stuff, especially
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when you're introducing water into the mix and a baby,
which is I mean this this kid's they're saying it's
a toddler, but it's a twenty one month year old,
so not even a twenty one month old, So not
even a two year old, right, this kid must be
so light. And then you add for water, Yeah, you
can't expect someone to hold on to a person under
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a condition like that. It's yes, it's wet, it's slippery.
You're getting like one of the water slides I went
on at that horrible Great Wolf Lodge place, like water
boarded me in the face, like I couldn't even see it,
like blinded me, like wet in my ear and my eyes.
And I was like, I literally did experience the whole
ride because it shot in my face so bad, like
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if I was trying to hold a kid at that time.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
It just wouldn't even be possible. So another thing when
you see this particular water slide where it happened, is
that that particular spot obviously, because you know a lot
of the water slides now are covered like a like
a tube, and this was like a half pipe. So
all you gotta do is like turn on the wrong
angle and let go of the kid. It's just like,
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this is why it doesn't make sense. Even like, let's
pretend the kid didn't fall over the edge. They were
still disconnected from each other. The dad goes down the
slide way before the kid, and then all of a sudden,
that kid comes out like a projectile and hits the
dad in the face. Like it's just it's dangerous to
like have two people. I think that's why they're more
inclined to put two people on a float, because their
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bodies are still separated from on another kind of is
And I'm sure there's incidents that happen all the time,
but nothing like this. And I feel terrible from the
article because apparently like they were trying to question the
dad and he was just like, why are you even
talking to me right now? My daughter's dying, right yeah,
Like why would you try to be interviewing someone asking
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them what happened or how they feel, and of course
he's gonna feel terrible guilt about it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Well, you can argue on the last episode, why is
everybody whipping out their phone to take a picture of
a person falling over the edge of a pool when
they should be running and getting help for this person.
It's just like the society we live in is horrible.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You guys are always making fun of me for not
wanting to go to water parks, and it seems like
you've never had a good time at one, So.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I don't know why I'm always getting made fun of.
I would have a blast at them if there were
actually no people there, but but.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
That is unrealistic covond Okay, So this next incident happened
in England. So a teen was on a ride at
a local fair and a witness said she fell onto
the moving floor. Her hair got caught in the rollers,
causing three fourths of her scalp to be ripped off.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It sounds like by the description that it was one
of these like funhouses. You know, Yeah, that's what I
was thinking too, because we have one. We have one
down the shore, which I mean it's permanently an attraction
at the shore, but it's definitely like a carnival ride,
like they probably could travel easily and it is it's
like all rollers on the floor, so you I actually
(43:03):
have a video of Gape doing it. I'll post on
my Instagram gram later of going on this roller floor
and I got see, this is something I wouldn't even
think of, because when you do go on roller coasters
and stuff, you always should have your hair tied back.
I have a story in the grosser room from years
ago actually of a girl who was on a ferris
wheel and her hair got caught in like the gear
(43:25):
where the cart attaches to the ferris wheel and ripped
her scalp off.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
To Okay, well, I was gonna bring this point up too,
because I feel like like I very very rarely wear
my hair back. I always have it down. So I
feel like whenever we're at a park or something, I
don't see that on the signs, like you know, they
have all the signs like make sure this but yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
It is interesting. I don't recall seeing it either.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I mean, I'm sure some parks, maybe some parks have
it somewhere and we've just never seen it. But I
don't ever recall them being like make sure your hair.
I actually don't think a ponytails a good idea, like
you should have it in a tight bun against your head,
because a ponytail could also get ripped, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I mean I think your your hair is pretty short.
I feel like the one that I was talking about
on the ferris wheel. It was a girl from India,
I believe, and she had that really long, like awesome
black hair that like went downdoor waist, like extra long hair.
You know, they're obviously the longer hair you have, the
(44:27):
more at risk you are, but the hair in general
is a risk for women. I have a video in
the grosser room too, of a woman that was working
at I don't know if it was like the milkshake
or the mcflurry machine at a McDonald's, but her hair
got caught in the machine and like pulled her head
like against the machine. Yeah. So, not only is a
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hair net safe for just so you know you don't
have like your hair falling in people's food, but it's
also safe for yourself. And a lot of women don't
really realize that, but I of course I'm like just
so crazy with everything that I'm always like make sure
your hair is tied back, and but on the Funhouse,
I wouldn't even think of that.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
You know. It's kind of like such a benign ride
that it like I wouldn't even consider it a ride.
It's like a walk through a chat that's like.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
My favorite ride because there's no ride to it because
they kept fun but not like doesn't make you want
to throw up, they kept saying.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And I mean, of course we're assuming that's what this
is too, And they keep saying, Oh, the ride was
tested regularly. It doesn't matter if the ride was tested
regularly and operating correctly. I mean this was just purely
a freak accident.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, And I mean getting a scalp injury like that,
that's called an evulsion or like a like a degloving injury.
You know, because think about like your hand being like
the bones of your hands being the hand and the
skin coming off being like a glove covering it just
coming off in one piece. It's the same sort of
theory with the scalp. And oftentimes like if you can
(45:57):
this is really disturbing, but if you could bring the
piece of scalp that got ripped off, or it's actually
better if it stays flapped and connected. There's a chance
that they could sew it back up and reconnect it.
But in some situations, like I have a case in
the gross room where a woman got her head her
she had a scarf on her hair and it got
(46:18):
tangled in a machine which then ripped her scalp off,
and they didn't bring her scalp to the hospital for
whatever reason. It was stuck in the machine still, and
you're looking at like serious serious surgeries, skin grafts, forget
about ever having hair again, because you can't grow your
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hair back there again. It's it's just like major surgeries.
And it's really it's really upsetting to see that because
it's it's not a te like when you see a
scalp injury like that, you look at it and you're like,
oh my god, this person's going to die, and usually
like they're not going to die from that. It's just
(47:00):
so gruesome looking because you could see their bone and
it just their hair flapped over and it's just so disturbing.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I mean, the article, I'm going to criticize them for
this wording they said the teens suffered potentially life changing injuries,
like shit.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, and it is like, I mean, I would say
hopefully that if she was able to get to the
hospital quickly and had some really great surgeons, that they
were able to sew it and repair it. And but
but like that, once you disconnect large portions of the
skin like that from the blood supply, they're not getting oxygen.
They could die. So even if they can reattach it,
(47:38):
it might start getting gangrenous over the next couple of
days just because it it was too far gone, so
she could have multiple surgeries ahead of her and stuff.
It's it's just terrible. So this we we see hot
car desks every single week in the grocery and we
just don't cover them. They're just they're just really upsetting
and and most of the time they're due to negligce.
(48:00):
In fact, they say, studies done say that seventy five
percent of these cases are because of accidents, and this
case is an accident too. This is just like a
little bit of a different situation. But there's we hear,
we probably hear about every single child that dies on
a hot car death because statistically there's only forty to
fifty of these happening a year, and I feel like
(48:21):
that's about how many times we hear it so because
it's just it is just so disturbing. And most of
the time it happens when a caregiver forgets about a
kid that they were supposed to drop off somewhere, And
this kind of happened in this case too, but the
circumstances are just are are really different.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, So this three year old boy was in foster care,
but he was allowed visitation with his biological father during
the day. So in this case, I contract a worker
through the Department of Human Resources would pick the boy
up from daycare, take him to the visitation with his father,
then bring him back to daycare where the foster mother
then would pick him up. So on this particular day
(49:00):
last week, the foster mom goes to the daycare and
he's not there, so they're freaking out, and then it
turns out that the human resources person ended up leaving
the child in the car for five hours on a
hot day. It was in between twelve thirty and five thirty,
arguably the hottest time of the day, and the kid
ended up not serving.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
It's just so ironic, like this child was taken away
from his family because they thought that he was at
risk for whatever reason. They don't say why. I don't
even know where the biological mother is. But the father
was allowed to have like visitation with supervised visitation with
the kid. They took him away and put him in
(49:41):
foster care. So it must have been kind of bad
if they did all that and then only for the
kid to die on the watch of the people that
were supposed to be protecting him.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Dude, I was just thinking, like yesterday, when I left
your house and I got in my car, it said
it was one hundred and twelve degrees in my car.
Oh yeah, And this happened in Alabama, in the South.
It's probably way hotter down there than it.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Is up here. So I have a case in the
grosser room of a hot car death, and it's it
was a very good write up because we rarely see
case reports of this. And I was saying in the
post actually that the photographs are in black and white,
and sometimes some journals do that because it's so like
(50:26):
heart wrenching and upsetting that like the pictures being colorized
are just too much to even publish, Like it's it's
that bad, right, And in this particular case that I
wrote up in the Grosser Room, this was a child.
It was the same thing, like the dad was supposed
to drop the child off at school, went to work
a full day, and then only to approach the car
(50:47):
after a full day of work, saw the kid in
the car, and that's when it was like, oh shit,
I never dropped off the kid. And this is a
story that we hear all the time. And at the
autopsy they saw second and third degree thermal burns because
the car was registered up to one hundred and sixty
degrees fahrenheit. Jesus, I know, it's so, oh my god,
(51:09):
it's just so sad to think about, like and and
this kid is like you hear about it with babies,
but then when you hear about it with like a
three year old kid, that's kind of a little bit
more aware, like thinking about them tugging on their like
thing trying to get out and not being able to
get out, and oh my god, it's just it's just
like it's just so terrible and and like you know,
(51:33):
obviously like this kid's dad, whatever happened the kid, the
dad still wanted to be in the kid's life, and
he was trying to be in the kid's life, and
just could you imagine them taking your kid away and
then being like thanks, like you killed my kid, Like
I don't know, it's just And another thing is too,
is that I know that a lot of different daycares,
(51:57):
like for example, when they kids were in daycare, when
I was working at the hospital full time, if I
didn't show up one day, they would just call and
be like, oh, it's so like you were supposed to
call if you weren't coming one day, And if we
didn't show up or we were late, they would call
and be like, oh, just checking to see if so
and so is coming today.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Well, I we don't know what happened, but I just
think this is like kind of probably kind of an
unusual situation where the kids taken out midday and then
brought back.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
It's unusual, But like, is that if that's what happens
all the time, wouldn't they be like the kid never
came back. They know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, yes, they should. But
because maybe it was the only kid that did this,
it was it's like what you say, like in most
of these cases, it's people.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Breaking routine, right.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
I mean, this situation might have been, so to speak,
a breaking of the rout the normal routine, Like kids
don't typically leave midday and come back, they're typically picked.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
I just think that when they do the investigation, the
day care center is gonna have a little bit of
involvement with it. It's just like if you if you know,
a child is leaving to go have this supervised visitation
that they were having all the time, and then getting
brought back and they never come back, and then like
the foster mom shows up and they're like, oh, the
kid's not here. It's just like, well they should have
some accountability too, is to find out where the kid
(53:19):
is because the kid's already in a situation like how
did they know that something didn't happen, like the dad
didn't take the kid or or something bad happened. Well,
they don't because it's a situation of visitize or supervised
visitation and stuff. There's just a lot.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Of scenarios that could have gone down, like was it
the same person that picked up the kid every time?
Were they trying to contact the person and whatever? You
just don't know, but the person has reportedly been fired,
so I'm interested to see what the investigation is going
to turn up.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
All right, guys.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
On that note, you could see us at Crime Con
in Denver this September from the fifth to the seventh.
The schedule I think is set to come out next week,
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Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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stories to cover today, some heavier ones that we didn't
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not be able to handle some of this content if
we don't want to hear her cry on the air.
All right, our first as we're going to talk about
the mass murder suicide in New York City that happened
this week and what was said in his suicide note.
Pro wrestler Hulk Cogan is dead. We have an update
on celebrity chef Anne Burrell. A few summertime freak accidents,
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including a child that plummeted to their death off of
a water side and a woman whose scalp was ripped
off at a fair ride. Also have a terrible story
evolving a child dying in a hot car at the
hands of people who were supposed to be removing him
from danger. All that and more on today's episode. God,
this New York City shooting was really was really scary,
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especially the area where it was happening.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So Monday afternoon, this crazy event started going down in
midtown Manhattan. There was this huge police response to the
building that houses the NFL headquarters, amongst a couple of
other companies as well. So basically what happened is this
twenty seven year old guy drove all the way from
Las Vegas, he parked his car, then walked two whole
blocks holding a rifle. Can you imagine seeing something like
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that a person walking with a gun?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I mean in Manhattan, there is definitely people who saw
him walking with this huge rifle in his arms, because
there's people everywhere, especially in midtown Manhattan in the middle
of the day, and the the CCTV footage of him
walking on the street with that weapon is so scary,
(02:01):
And it is possible that people called the police and
said that there was a guy walking around with that,
but just they didn't get there in time. Maybe. I mean,
I'm sure all that will come out eventually.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Do you know what else I noticed in those photos though,
is a lot of people looking at their phones and
just being totally unobservant of their surroundings. And it's really
shocking to see this picture of a man in an
open space holding a rifle like this and just people
clearly not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, it really is. It's I mean, if you if
you saw somebody anywhere that, unless you were at a
gun range, that was carrying around a weapon like that,
then you should automatically be like, oh my god. And
especially in the middle of the city. There's absolutely no
reason that anybody would be carrying a weapon like that.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I do feel like a lot of it is the shock,
like you might see that and you just it takes
a minute to register, right, Like I can't be seeing
this right like this man, you're just like this or
this is just like some weird New York person that's
carrying around this fake gun.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know, Like nobody wants to
think anybody's gonna do something like this. But like it's
crazy that that he didn't get taken down way before
this even happened.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So he goes in the lobby of this building. He
opens fire there. He goes to the elevator, which apparently
he let a woman get off the elevator unharmed, which
I thought was interesting. Then he goes up the elevator
to the floor of the guy who owns the building,
opens fire in there. So overall he shot five people.
He killed four one of which was an off duty
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police officer who was working security that day. That guy's
wife is pregnant with their third child.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
I know. It's so I just you know, and think about,
like you're from her perspective, like your husband's in New
York City cop, and everybody that's married to a cop
right now is just on this different level of fear.
I'm assuming I'm not. I'm not in that situation, but
I would be. And you're like, oh, well, he's working
security in an NFL building, a building has NFL offices
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and stuff. Like if I was the wife, I would
be like, Okay, that's like not as dangerous as him
doing drug busts on the streets or anything else, pulling
people over in situations where that he would be in
more danger. Like I can't, I can't even imagine what
this poor woman's going through. She's she's very pregnant too.
It's just so terrible.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
No, it's horrible. So I guess employees started hearing the
gunfire and then they were told this shelter in place.
So these really disturbing photos have come out of them
just stacking as much furniture as possible in front of
any doorway so this person can't get into their office space.
I would have been having a meltdown, Like I don't
even know if I I always worry about this, if
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I was in like a situation like this in public,
how I would even respond or if my brain could
even compute to try to save myself, Like seriously, I
feel like it'd be in such a shock.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's kind of it's awesome that they all got together
and realized what was happening. I mean, it's it's very unexpected,
Like if you work in a political office, you might
be more inclined to expect some kind of violence in
a situation like that, Like when you work it NFL,
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like you're working for a football organization. I just would
think that, like you would never that wouldn't be on
your radar that somebody would ever be coming in and shooting,
Like why why does anybody have anything against football? Like
most people are happy when they think about football. I
don't know. It's just like a very unusual place for
something like that to occur. But I guess, like how
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we're living right now is you just have to have
your eyes open at all times, no matter the most
benign thing that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, let's talk about the reason. Because the shooter ended
up killing himself by shooting himself in the chest, which
I think everybody could say is kind of a weird
place to shoot yourself, right, But then they ended up
finding this note in his pocket. He suffered from CTE
and he was asking that his brain be studied. So
you have to argue if he shot himself in the chest,
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he was intentionally trying to save his brain, if that
was his true motive behind the shooting. And they're also
saying that the NFL was mentioned in this note, and
he did play football in high school, So I'm wondering
if he's putting all of the blame on them, because
that's what it's looking like right now.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Well, it looks like he's been suffering from mental health
problems for a long time in his life. And they
even made mention of finding some psychoactive kind of drugs
in his car. Didn't mention which ones they were, but
ones that you would be taking for a mental illness.
Now I don't know exactly what he was diagnosed with,
(06:46):
but so CTE that Maria is talking about is called
chronic traumatic encephalopathy, and that is what you think of
when you hear about football players having all of these
problems later in their life. It's not just specific to
football players. It could be uh, wrestlers. It happened in
a case with a pro wrestler that that killed his
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family and then killed himself.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, Chris ben wah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah. So so really it is a thing that has
been and wasn't what was that one football player, well,
an example of the football player, but he had confirmed
CTE after his autopsy. Yeah, So what I wanted to
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say is that all of these different people and it
probably happens in people too, like we'll talk about that
later with hul Kogan for example. And and some could
argue that some of the things that he said in
his life could have been a result of repeated head trauma. Right,
but some people don't go completely nuts, and then other
(07:55):
people go completely nuts, like like the Aaron hernandez one
and the crisp uh how do you say his listen,
ben Wall BENI it's definitely not benoid. So the thing
is is that doctors can observe certain symptoms that occur
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in patients that have a history of repeated head trauma.
But the only way to truly diagnose CTE is that
autopsy by looking at the brain under the microscope. So
this guy is that at an unusual age because he's
twenty seven years old, and you would say, oh my god,
this this kid is he's so young to be having
things like this happen to him, and and that a
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lot of times certain symptoms like that come from other
psychiatric diseases, such as schizophrenia, will start to show their
ugly head around the twenties, around the same time, so
it is possible that he just has something completely unrelated
to having traumatic injuries playing football. But apparently he's been
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playing football his entire life, and we know that we
see kids starting playing football when they're like five years old,
maybe even younger. And the thing is is that if
you get one concussion, you're supposed to be cool, but
it's like any more than one concussion could really set
you up for having these changes in your brain permanently.
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So one of the things that happens with these people
is that they start exhibiting signs of depression, but then
they also have a cognitive impairment, mood and personality changes
and just different things like that that can be attributed
to that. But really they're only going to get treated
(09:42):
based upon their symptoms rather than having this thing because,
like I said, they don't really truly know. Now, let
me tell you about this really interesting study that I found.
So a study was done by the NIH and it
was a NIH funded research at Boston University. Analyzed one
hundred and fifty two brains. One hundred and forty one
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were male and eleven were female. Now this was important
to say that all of these people died. The most
common reason that these people died so number one, they
were thirty years old or younger, So very young people
that died, and most of them died by either suicide
so killing themselves or overdosing on drugs accidentally. So you're
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talking about people that were having severe mental illness to
the point where they killed themselves, or they were having
mental illness to the point where they were addicted to
drugs okay, so and felt that they had to self
treat in that way. And of that research that was done,
they found that more than forty percent of those people
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under thirty years old had chronic traumatic encephalopathy and it
was reported in people as young as seventeen years old,
like that's that's that's really shocking. Yeah, of course it is,
because if you think about everyone that you interact with
in your life, so many people. Now it's important to
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say that most of the people in this study were
playing American what you would call American football. Okay, but
one was a female in the study that had a
history of playing soccer. Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So yeah, so you're saying soccer too. I mean, this
is a really big problem in the hockey world and
wrestling as we know too. I mean, these people are
getting I feel like, I feel like the hockey players
actually might get it worse than football players because they
are constantly crashing, falling down, slipping on the ice. Right,
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it's any contact sport. I am surprised with the soccer
because I don't consider that like a contact sport necessarily.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
No, it it they fall hard. And the thing is
is it's like you're you're considered to be at risk
if you fall in and hit in your head and
had to traumatic brain injuries of concussion or greater. And
I mean, it's it's clear, this is like, this is
almost like a weird I don't even want to compare
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this because it's it's kind of sick. But this is
like a weird like Luigi Mangioni type killing where this
guy is trying to like bring awareness to this particular
brain issue that the NFL is just not taking seriously enough,
like right to their offices. And it's there's just it's
(12:33):
it's it's just like it's upsetting, but but it's also
it's also something. You know, how like when the Luigi
Mangioni thing happened, they all of a sudden were like
like taking it more seriously, the thing with the rejected
claims and stuff like. You almost think that this might
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bring like more change to to this underlying condition for
people to be like this, this is real and people
are going nuts because of it.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that's
going to happen because, in my opinion, the NFL has
been going out of their way to act like CTE
is a totally made up thing, it doesn't exist. NHL also,
in my opinion, is not really addressing it as much
as they should be. To bring up your point, Like
about wrestling, I think we can all say Vince McMahon's
(13:27):
an incredibly problematic person and many regards in life right.
But one thing I took away from his docu series
was it did seem like he was the only one
in these organized sports that kind of took it seriously
and provided education to the wrestlers about the harm it
could do. It doesn't necessarily mean they made changes, but
he actually was willing to take a look.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And that's the rock and the hard place in this situation,
because the only change that you can make with football
is not playing football. Well, there's no helme, Like the
helmets aren't working. It's and like, what could you do?
Like non contact football? Don't they do that in school?
Like flag football or whatever? With the kids play like
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nobody wants to watch that. So they're like, Okay, we
either have to shut this whole thing down or this now.
The problem is is that when you talk to a
kid that especially doesn't come from any money or anything,
when they're seventeen years old and say, hey, we're going
to offer you this contract for millions of dollars and
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it might cause you brain damage when you're fifty years old,
do you think that care? The kid gives a shit,
Like they're like I could get out of like I
could get into a better life situation financially for me
and my family, Like, I'm gonna do whatever, And lots
of people do that with jobs like abuse the shit
out of their bodies, even like I could go as
an example with Gabe on a much lighter level of
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like him moving furniture and thinking he was getting paid
a ton at a time when he was a teenager
and now his body hurts so frickin' bad every day
because he was lifting shit that that that would only
take a toll on you when you got older, but
when you're a kid at the time, you're just not
thinking about being fifty because it seems so far away,
and then all of a sudden it's here, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, Yeah, so we could argue that the only way
to get rid of it in general is to take
away the sport as a whole. But I also feel
like these organizations are going out of their way to
not even offer any type of like safety to offer Yeah,
but could try to offer more padding in the helmets, guards,
blah blah blah, like they want to act like it
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doesn't exist. They completely blow it off because they don't
want to acknowledge that it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
They blow it off because there's nothing they could do
to fix it. That's why.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And to your many, I don't think a couple of
people getting killed in the lobby is enough for the
NFL to be like, oh my god, you're right, this
is a problem. I think somebody on a much higher
level and a much more high profile thing would have
had to occur for them to take it seriously. I mean,
with the Luigi Mangioti case, the CEO got murdered, not
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a random health care employee, like they cared because a
super rich, notable guy got killed. Right, And I'm not
saying these people's lives didn't matter. They certainly did the
people that just got murdered, But in the grand scheme
of things, the NFL is not gonna give a shit,
Like they're gonna issue there like we're so sorry what happened,
and then it's gonna be that what are they gonna do?
Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's possible. I just think that if this guy was
suffering mental health at home and killed himself in his
house and even left the note, it wouldn't even have
gotten any attention. And and now it's like, Okay, everybody
is faced with this on so many different levels. Attention
and it's really it's really terrible that it's it's a
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weird it's a weird thing to just think about because
you're just we're talking about the cop that got killed,
and it's like, what the hell did he have to
do with anything? He was just sitting there like like
he didn't have anything to do with anything, and like
any any of the people there that got killed probably
didn't either. It's just just like it just was like
an attention totally for attention the whole thing. And what
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happened exactly what he wanted was that they go on
the news and they read his letter out loud and
everybody's like, oh shit, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
But the same could be said with the people Aaron
Hernandez killed and Chris bin wag killing his entire family,
Like what did those people doult.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
It's a result of it, exactly, And and it's just
it's just interesting because this has been happening since the
beginning of time, with boxers and and and football, and
now it's like it's getting a little bit too, like
it's getting harder and harder to ignore.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But what happens when they do his autopsy, if he
doesn't have it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's it's quite possible he didn't, because, like I said,
he's just at the age where other mental health issues
are presenting themselves as well, So he very well could
could not have it. But if he does, and we
will certainly figure out if he does, and that might
take a while, then I definitely think it deserves a conversation.
(18:17):
But like, don't I don't really know what the solution
is being from them from their point of view as
to how to stop it.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Do you think there's a possibility they could create a
brain scan at some point in time to diagnose it
while people are alive, or do you just think the
way it has to be looked at it's not it's
just right now.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The way that it has to be looked at is,
like I never want to say never, because there's absolutely
things that will be possible in the future. Just right now,
the amount of brain tissue that you need to look
at isn't something as simple as obtaining a small biopsy
to look at it. You just can't take chunks, Like
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if you wanted to see if a person had a
disease process in their colon, you could take out a
person's whole colon and they could live like if you
really had to you look at it under the microscope.
It's like you just can't take out someone's brain like that.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
No, I'm not talking about taking it out. I'm talking
about like a type of like MRI cat scan situation
that would be able to see it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, and there's certain changes that they can see I
guess on imaging, but it's just not it could be
seen in other brain disorders as well, And we don't know,
like this guy could totally just have schizophrenia and just
have convinced himself that he has CT and no doctor
has even mentioned it to him, or maybe maybe he
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feels maybe a doctor has said, like listen, like your
symptoms are consistent with this. We don't really know the
full story as of right now, but like I don't,
I don't really know what the answer is. It's as
a see, I'm a parent of of of all girls
that don't play contact sports like that, so it's not
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a concern for me for my particular family. But I've
thought about this since I had children, Like if I
had a son, would I want him to play a
like a sport like that. And honestly, like one of
the women that live across the street from me, that's
a nurse, like her son wants to play football and
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she's like, hell, no, you're not playing football. And it like,
in one sense you see him out front throwing out
around the football and you're like, that's sad he wants
to play football. But at the same sense, you're just like,
if that kid, if that kid is going to be
set up to go nuts when he's in his twenties
or thirties or forties, Like, is that you're actually protecting them?
(20:43):
You know? And like one person could say you're like
being crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
But as a parent, like could you be like, listen,
you can join, but if you get hurt, like you're done.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah. I mean, like I think a lot of times
when I was a kid, you would hear a person
a kid get a concussion, because kids get concussions. One
of my best friends growing up actually we went to
the movies with her to see this movie called Prancer.
It's Christmas movie, and me and my dad dropped her
off and she ran up the hill to her house
and tripped and like headfirst into the brick outside of
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our house, and her parents had to bring her to
the hospital. She had a concussion right, Like concussions aren't happen.
But to think that you only get this j like
get out of JOU free card twice in your life,
you could easily get one in a car accident, like
really once in your life, because then the second time
it like sets you up for having some kind of
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disruption with your brain tissue and function, don't I don't
know that I would be like, well, let's wait and
see if you get a traumatic brain injury and then
we'll think about quitting. Like that's just kind of you're
just trying to avoid it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I know, But I'm just saying, like, not every single
football player and hockey player and any contextport, the cross whatever,
not every single one of them get concussions. Some people
go their entire career without get exactly, but some people
go their career with having like five.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's just like just talking about this particular study that
I'm talking about, especially with young people, and it really
does make you wonder because sometimes you have people in
your life that might start acting unusual or being weird,
and then it's something that you wouldn't even think of,
like oh, they used to play sports their whole life,
and add these head injuries and stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It's because it's like you could bring it back to
people not acknowledging that we're just living in a society
of alcoholics. Like people just don't want to accept that
that's the reason it's happening. They just refuse to believe
it because they don't want their precious Sundays taken away.
They don't want this thing they've loved for years going away.
I understand it's this huge organization, but like you have
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to think of the player's safety.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I would say that, and this is something that I
don't know statistically, but I would say that this is
a specific most commonly seen in America because the traumatic
There are people that have been involved in these studies
that have played rugby, like sports that you would play
in other countries, soccer obviously, but it's it's specifically for
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whatever reason, football players are getting the majority. Like I
know you said you think hockey, it's not hockey. It's
like it's barely even ever on the list. It's it's
it's the primary thing is American football. Yeah, like seventy
five percent of the injuries are due to that sport.
So whatever it is, however, whatever angle they're hitting their
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head or more prone to it or whatever, because the
helmet offers kind of a false sense of security too. Yeah,
and also you have issues with when you're talking about
like very competitive like high school and college sports, if
someone gets a mild concussion, even is that it's something
they're reporting or they're trying to like not put that
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guy out on il and like push him through well
you know what I mean, Like that could happen too,
And even a mild concussion is a brain injury, so
like it's it's just something to think about.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, and then I think of the worst case situations
where I remember that Miami Dolphins quarterback fell and his
like fingers were turning in all those that was horrible
to see. I mean, we look at some pretty horrific
pictures every day, and that was something that bothered me.
And I'll never forget it. I can't even fathom it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
All right, So let's since we're on this subject, let's
talk about Hull Cogan because I know that there's been
a lot of controversy with him over the years because
of certain things that he said, for sure, which were
like not cool, we're not really inappropriate. But but like
now I didn't even think about this because I really
(24:55):
wanted to focus on his long term steroid use. But
but you have to think, like when you have a
person that's had that history of getting blows to the
head his whole life, like it could I mean, the
guy could just be a scumbag and could have been
his whole life, But it also could be because of
this history of traumatic brain injury, of saying things that
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are inappropriate and having there's all different sorts of things
like personality changes and stuff. So I don't know if
anyone's ever brought that up. I'm just saying that that's
a possibility. With that.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well, I don't think people are bringing it up because
I mean what we know right now is they're reporting
it as your favorite cardiac orist, right, so we don't
really know what went down yet. But I mean, yeah,
if you guys were part of our YouTube live last Friday,
we really got into it. I mean, this guy had
been using steroids for decades. In this trial against Vince
mcmahn in the nineties, he went on the stand and
(25:53):
said by that point he had already been using steroids
for almost twenty years, so since the seventies, that is insane.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, and I mean long term steroid use is terrible
on the body. Like, yes, it makes you look good,
well if you consider that to be look good. It
increases your body muscles and just makes you way more
built and buff looking that you could look with your
regular activity. But it's been linked to heart attacks, heart failure, arrhythmia, cardiomyopathy,
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and using it long term like that only weakens his
heart over time, right, So that and they're saying, yeah,
cardiac arrest, and like you know that that pisses me
off because obviously everybody dies when their heart stops, so
like his heart stop, that's what cardiac arrest means. But
he was apparently having some kind of health problems with it,
(26:46):
and then he had this addiction. So because of all
the injuries from now you have to think like this
guy had over twenty five surgeries because of the injuries
he got as a wrestler.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, he've wrestled also, note till he was fifty nine
years old.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, but so think about this, like twenty five surgeries
on broken bones, shoulders, replacements, this, and that. He was
hitting his head a lot too. It just wasn't like, oh,
he broke his he had twenty five surgeries to replace
his joints in his bones, but like his head was
totally unaffected. Like trust me, his head was banked several
times and after that he got an addiction to painkillers
(27:27):
because of the procedures he was getting done. And uh so, honestly,
like again, it was just kind of the same as
with Ozzy Osbourne, like I'm not surprised, Like this isn't
really shocking to me when a person abuses their body
their whole life, that they die at a fairly younger age.
I was actually saying this on the YouTube live though.
(27:49):
I couldn't believe that he was only what was he
seventy seventy one? He was seventy one years old. Because
when I think of Hulcoke, because I don't follow wrestling
at all, but when I was a kid in the eighties,
there were these like Saturday Morning cartoons and like WWE Wrestling,
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and then there was like a girls one called gloag
Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling, right, and it was like like
this was before there was phones and iPads and stuff,
So like we did that on Saturdays when we woke up,
we watched these shows That's how I think of hul
Cogan with like Andre the Giant and Captain Lou Albano
and all these people, right, And when I think of
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him visually, I think like, Okay, he was like a
fifty year old dude in my mind, and when you
look at pictures of him, he looks like a fifty
year old dude. He was like in nineteen eighty five,
he was thirty one. He was your age in nineteen
eighty five. He looks he just looks rough. So so
for me to think that he's only seven, like I
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thought he was going to be like ninety, I didn't freak.
I just thought he was so much older than he
was all the time. But you know, people could get
that look when they abuse their bodies for such a
long time too.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Listen, Terry's just looked the same age his entire life.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I highly encourage everybody watched the Mister McMahon docuseries on Netflix.
I think it's a really great look into the WWE
and wrestling as a whole. I actually kind of wish
we did this story with momm yesterday because I remember
like being a little kid and all all of us
just sitting in the family room. It was on in
the nineties. It was totally inappropriate for me to be watching.
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But whatever, it was like a nice familie.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That time period was more like the rock and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Well it was transitioning into that. But like when you
watch this docuseries and they're showing you the WWE in
the nineties and like how sexual it was and how
it's absolutely insane. Everybody's like broided out of their minds.
It actually is unbelievable that this period in television happened.
It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
So in the gross Room this week, I think we're
going to do the high profile death dis section or
the celebrity deaths section on him this week on Hold
on whole Cogar, just because I mean, like, obviously, so
many people die from cardiac arrest, right, so that's not
the interesting part of the story, but the interesting part
of the story. I always try to, whenever we're writing
(30:12):
these up, pick like a certain thing that is different
from other deaths, and in this case, I really want
to focus on the long term effects of steroid use
and like what that looks like on the body, from
the skin to guys having itty bitty testicles to everything
else that goes along with it, the roid rage, all
(30:33):
that stuff. So I think that'll be really interesting to
talk about next week.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
All Right. We also have updates on Anne Burrel. So
we also went over this in our YouTube live if
you guys want to check that out in the gross room. So,
she was also initially reported as cardiac arrest found dead
in the shower as a reminder, and now her cause
of death has been acute intoxication due to which medications.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
So essentially they were saying it is a cute intoxication
due to combined effects of drugs including benadryl, ethanol, zero
tech and phetamine. Okay, these drugs, so this is this
is my my little pearls of pathology for this particular case.
(31:19):
So when you look at these drugs, people drink. People
might have a couple drinks of wine and I or whatever,
right people might like today, I was telling Maria before
we started recording that snot is pouring out of my
nose and I look and on the allergy like dust
is really high where I'm at right now. So I'm like, okay,
I have allergies. I'll probably take allergy medicine. Later to
(31:41):
make it stop. So she had Benadryl in her system
and zero TECH, which is like most people know you
shouldn't take those together, but like people do, right, especially
if you're having like really really bad allergies, people do.
I mean, I've definitely done it and exactly like I've
done it before too. And she had ethanol in her system,
(32:01):
so like it could be like again, people don't realize
that certain medications you shouldn't drink on. And then she
had adderall or amphetamine, which could be like adderall, which
is a pill that she could take every day. So
in theory, like this could be an accidental overdose of
just people taking prescription. Let's say you wake up in
(32:24):
the morning, you take your adderall, right, and then a
couple hours later you start having allergies, so you take
zero tech and it doesn't go away. So by later
at night you take benadru before you go to bed,
and then you also, like, but maybe at dinner time
you had a couple drinks. Right that that to me
is like not super out of the ordinary. So when
they say and they don't give us much information on
(32:46):
her autopsy, right, we don't get the report. But when
they say that she died of suicide Number one, it's investigation.
So does she have any suicidal ideations? Did she have
a history of previous suicide attempts? Did she leave a
note saying that she was going to kill herself? The
interviewing the family like, was she depressed, was she seeing
a mental health therapist? All that stuff. But on top
(33:06):
of that, the only thing that I could come up
with is that the levels of these particular drugs in
her system were at non therapeutic levels. So if you
look at all these things in someone's system and it
looks like, okay, they had the normal dose of benadryl
and the normal dose of zero TECH, then you would
be like, Okay, this was an accident. And they didn't
(33:27):
have a history of suicidal ideations, you would be like,
this is an accident. But the levels, the toxicology levels,
which they haven't provided from us, had to be like
off the chain that they were like, Okay, this was intentional.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, That's what I was wondering as well, because I
was just like, if you just happened to take this,
how would they know if you were killing yourself or
if it was an accidental overdose. But I guess it's
just more about not what it is, but the amount
of what it is.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And another thing too, is like when they do the autopsy,
they check the stomach contents to see what the person
had recess ingested. And often times if a person does
try to kill themselves with medication, they'll have way too
many pills inside of their stomach. That it like if
you're taking zero tack for your allergies, you're taking one pill,
So if there's ten of them in your stomach that's
(34:16):
that are partially digested, You're gonna be like, Okay, that's
that's not normal. This person isn't taking this for allergies.
They're trying to harm themselves. So and even if they
didn't see that stuff, like I said, the levels in
the blood would indicate certainly that like somebody was trying
to hurt themselves.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, this episode is brought to you by the Gross Room. Guys,
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Cogan celebrity death dissection and talk all about steroid use
and that's that's a really interesting subject actually because I
actually know a few people that I suspect.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Are taking steroids. It's pretty obvious when people are taking them. Yeah,
I'll still have a really good vagina related case that
is outrageous that I'll be posting probably probably today actually,
so yeah, really interesting. Or it'll be up this week
and tune in on Friday at twelve noon East for
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Speaker 2 (35:41):
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Speaker 1 (35:49):
All right, so we're going to talk about a couple
accidents that happened that are specifically related to summertime accidents,
which are just really upsetting because oftentimes it's like parents
are just trying to do the right thing and like
entertain their kids so they have a fun summer and
then something terrible happens, like a kid dies or gets injured.
(36:09):
We didn't we're not even really formally talking about this
on this episode because there are unfortunately so many drownings
that happen every single day, but this one happened close
to us at Hershey Park, which is kind of crazy
because that was their first reported death ever at Hershey Park.
Really and yes, wow, which which is yeah, and that's
(36:31):
a lot in Hershey Park. I don't know if is
Hershey Park like big all over the world or like
it just do people like actually go there on vacation
or it's just people local here that like drive there.
I don't really know how it works. I really don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I mean I would be I would be surprised if
people like traveled from really far to go there. I
just think of it as like we go there because
we lived out too far, or if you're like passing
through the.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Area, you would go there. Yeah, I'm not really sure
about that. But anyway, the thing, like, there was stuff
going around the news that the kid had a previous
medical and incident some kind of maybe like a seizure,
was having some kind of underlying health condition which caused
the kid to drown. But the medical examiner did do
the autopsy en ruled that it was an accidental drowning.
(37:17):
Do it was an accident due to drowning, so no
underlying health condition was seen in that child. So it
was strictly a freak accident. And now this this next case,
while it didn't happen in America. It's actually I looked
at the case and I was just like, this is
kind of weird that they let that they let this happen. Anyway,
(37:41):
it seemed to me like it was like, well, in
the eighties, they for sure let me go down on
my dad's lap on a water slide like that. But
I don't know if they do stuff like that anymore.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I didn't think that was unusual at all. I feel
like they always have kids that are under a certain
size held by the parents.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Not as far as anything that I've brought the kids
on their life. It's even when we were on the cruise,
Rexy couldn't go on a certain one because he didn't
weigh enough. Even with Gabe, he wasn't allowed to go on. Yeah,
and that's my nephew. They just were like, he doesn't
weigh enough and he's fifty pounds. Yeah, so think about that,
(38:24):
And all the other ones that we've gone on have
been like this double inner tu connected thing where like
the parent has to go in a certain spot and
the kid has to go in a certain spot. And
a lot of times we go to places where they
weigh us and they'll say like they want, you know,
one kid to go with, like the lightest kid to
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go with the heavier with the heaviest parent.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, I guess with water slides it makes more sense
to just not allow the kid at all. But I
was more so speaking to like regular rides. I mean
definitely when the kids were younger, I remember going on
certain things. Remember, I mean, I guess it's changed. I
was thinking of going on Space Mountain, and you used
to hold the kid right in front of you, but
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now they all have individual seats, which I feel like
made me more anxious when I went on with Lilian,
because I was like, so scared She's just gonna slip
right out of the seat.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah. And the thing is, though, like I have a
picture somewhere in my house of me and my dad
going down a water slide in the eighties, and like
I'm like sitting on his lap or in between his
legs or something like that. Shit would not go down
now because of situations like this, So why not you?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, So this one's out of Croatia, so a father
was holding his toddler and they went down a waterside
at the park and suddenly she fell from his arms
about eleven and a half feet onto a concrete surface
to her death. So this, yeah, like when you talk
about it, it doesn't make sense today with every with
like all the accidents and new regulations and stuff, especially
(39:56):
when you're introducing water into the mix and a baby,
which is I mean this this kid's they're saying it's
a toddler, but it's a twenty one month year old,
so not even a twenty one month old, So not
even a two year old, right, this kid must be
so light. And then you add for water, Yeah, you
can't expect someone to hold on to a person under
(40:19):
a condition like that. It's yes, it's wet, it's slippery.
You're getting like one of the water slides I went
on at that horrible Great Wolf Lodge place, like water
boarded me in the face, like I couldn't even see it,
like blinded me, like wet in my ear and my eyes.
And I was like, I literally did experience the whole
ride because it shot in my face so bad, like
(40:40):
if I was trying to hold a kid at that time.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
It just wouldn't even be possible. So another thing when
you see this particular water slide where it happened, is
that that particular spot obviously, because you know a lot
of the water slides now are covered like a like
a tube, and this was like a half pipe. So
all you gotta do is like turn on the wrong
angle and let go of the kid. It's just like,
(41:06):
this is why it doesn't make sense. Even like, let's
pretend the kid didn't fall over the edge. They were
still disconnected from each other. The dad goes down the
slide way before the kid, and then all of a sudden,
that kid comes out like a projectile and hits the
dad in the face. Like it's just it's dangerous to
like have two people. I think that's why they're more
inclined to put two people on a float, because their
(41:29):
bodies are still separated from on another kind of is
And I'm sure there's incidents that happen all the time,
but nothing like this. And I feel terrible from the
article because apparently like they were trying to question the
dad and he was just like, why are you even
talking to me right now? My daughter's dying, right yeah,
Like why would you try to be interviewing someone asking
(41:50):
them what happened or how they feel, and of course
he's gonna feel terrible guilt about it.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Well, you can argue on the last episode, why is
everybody whipping out their phone to take a picture of
a person falling over the edge of a pool when
they should be running and getting help for this person.
It's just like the society we live in is horrible.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
You guys are always making fun of me for not
wanting to go to water parks, and it seems like
you've never had a good time at one, So.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I don't know why I'm always getting made fun of.
I would have a blast at them if there were
actually no people there, but but.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
That is unrealistic covond Okay, So this next incident happened
in England. So a teen was on a ride at
a local fair and a witness said she fell onto
the moving floor. Her hair got caught in the rollers,
causing three fourths of her scalp to be ripped off.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It sounds like by the description that it was one
of these like funhouses. You know, Yeah, that's what I
was thinking too, because we have one. We have one
down the shore, which I mean it's permanently an attraction
at the shore, but it's definitely like a carnival ride,
like they probably could travel easily and it is it's
like all rollers on the floor, so you I actually
(43:03):
have a video of Gape doing it. I'll post on
my Instagram gram later of going on this roller floor
and I got see, this is something I wouldn't even
think of, because when you do go on roller coasters
and stuff, you always should have your hair tied back.
I have a story in the grosser room from years
ago actually of a girl who was on a ferris
wheel and her hair got caught in like the gear
(43:25):
where the cart attaches to the ferris wheel and ripped
her scalp off.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
To Okay, well, I was gonna bring this point up too,
because I feel like like I very very rarely wear
my hair back. I always have it down. So I
feel like whenever we're at a park or something, I
don't see that on the signs, like you know, they
have all the signs like make sure this but yeah, well.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
It is interesting. I don't recall seeing it either.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
I mean, I'm sure some parks, maybe some parks have
it somewhere and we've just never seen it. But I
don't ever recall them being like make sure your hair.
I actually don't think a ponytails a good idea, like
you should have it in a tight bun against your head,
because a ponytail could also get ripped, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I mean I think your your hair is pretty short.
I feel like the one that I was talking about
on the ferris wheel. It was a girl from India,
I believe, and she had that really long, like awesome
black hair that like went downdoor waist, like extra long hair.
You know, they're obviously the longer hair you have, the
(44:27):
more at risk you are, but the hair in general
is a risk for women. I have a video in
the grosser room too, of a woman that was working
at I don't know if it was like the milkshake
or the mcflurry machine at a McDonald's, but her hair
got caught in the machine and like pulled her head
like against the machine. Yeah. So, not only is a
(44:47):
hair net safe for just so you know you don't
have like your hair falling in people's food, but it's
also safe for yourself. And a lot of women don't
really realize that, but I of course I'm like just
so crazy with everything that I'm always like make sure
your hair is tied back, and but on the Funhouse,
I wouldn't even think of that.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
You know. It's kind of like such a benign ride
that it like I wouldn't even consider it a ride.
It's like a walk through a chat that's like.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
My favorite ride because there's no ride to it because
they kept fun but not like doesn't make you want
to throw up, they kept saying.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
And I mean, of course we're assuming that's what this
is too, And they keep saying, Oh, the ride was
tested regularly. It doesn't matter if the ride was tested
regularly and operating correctly. I mean this was just purely
a freak accident.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, And I mean getting a scalp injury like that,
that's called an evulsion or like a like a degloving injury.
You know, because think about like your hand being like
the bones of your hands being the hand and the
skin coming off being like a glove covering it just
coming off in one piece. It's the same sort of
theory with the scalp. And oftentimes like if you can
(45:57):
this is really disturbing, but if you could bring the
piece of scalp that got ripped off, or it's actually
better if it stays flapped and connected. There's a chance
that they could sew it back up and reconnect it.
But in some situations, like I have a case in
the gross room where a woman got her head her
she had a scarf on her hair and it got
(46:18):
tangled in a machine which then ripped her scalp off,
and they didn't bring her scalp to the hospital for
whatever reason. It was stuck in the machine still, and
you're looking at like serious serious surgeries, skin grafts, forget
about ever having hair again, because you can't grow your
(46:38):
hair back there again. It's it's just like major surgeries.
And it's really it's really upsetting to see that because
it's it's not a te like when you see a
scalp injury like that, you look at it and you're like,
oh my god, this person's going to die, and usually
like they're not going to die from that. It's just
(47:00):
so gruesome looking because you could see their bone and
it just their hair flapped over and it's just so disturbing.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
I mean, the article, I'm going to criticize them for
this wording they said the teens suffered potentially life changing injuries,
like shit.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, and it is like, I mean, I would say
hopefully that if she was able to get to the
hospital quickly and had some really great surgeons, that they
were able to sew it and repair it. And but
but like that, once you disconnect large portions of the
skin like that from the blood supply, they're not getting oxygen.
They could die. So even if they can reattach it,
(47:38):
it might start getting gangrenous over the next couple of
days just because it it was too far gone, so
she could have multiple surgeries ahead of her and stuff.
It's it's just terrible. So this we we see hot
car desks every single week in the grocery and we
just don't cover them. They're just they're just really upsetting
and and most of the time they're due to negligce.
(48:00):
In fact, they say, studies done say that seventy five
percent of these cases are because of accidents, and this
case is an accident too. This is just like a
little bit of a different situation. But there's we hear,
we probably hear about every single child that dies on
a hot car death because statistically there's only forty to
fifty of these happening a year, and I feel like
(48:21):
that's about how many times we hear it so because
it's just it is just so disturbing. And most of
the time it happens when a caregiver forgets about a
kid that they were supposed to drop off somewhere, And
this kind of happened in this case too, but the
circumstances are just are are really different.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah, So this three year old boy was in foster care,
but he was allowed visitation with his biological father during
the day. So in this case, I contract a worker
through the Department of Human Resources would pick the boy
up from daycare, take him to the visitation with his father,
then bring him back to daycare where the foster mother
then would pick him up. So on this particular day
(49:00):
last week, the foster mom goes to the daycare and
he's not there, so they're freaking out, and then it
turns out that the human resources person ended up leaving
the child in the car for five hours on a
hot day. It was in between twelve thirty and five thirty,
arguably the hottest time of the day, and the kid
ended up not serving.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
It's just so ironic, like this child was taken away
from his family because they thought that he was at
risk for whatever reason. They don't say why. I don't
even know where the biological mother is. But the father
was allowed to have like visitation with supervised visitation with
the kid. They took him away and put him in
(49:41):
foster care. So it must have been kind of bad
if they did all that and then only for the
kid to die on the watch of the people that
were supposed to be protecting him.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Dude, I was just thinking, like yesterday, when I left
your house and I got in my car, it said
it was one hundred and twelve degrees in my car.
Oh yeah, And this happened in Alabama, in the South.
It's probably way hotter down there than it.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Is up here. So I have a case in the
grosser room of a hot car death, and it's it
was a very good write up because we rarely see
case reports of this. And I was saying in the
post actually that the photographs are in black and white,
and sometimes some journals do that because it's so like
(50:26):
heart wrenching and upsetting that like the pictures being colorized
are just too much to even publish, Like it's it's
that bad, right, And in this particular case that I
wrote up in the Grosser Room, this was a child.
It was the same thing, like the dad was supposed
to drop the child off at school, went to work
a full day, and then only to approach the car
(50:47):
after a full day of work, saw the kid in
the car, and that's when it was like, oh shit,
I never dropped off the kid. And this is a
story that we hear all the time. And at the
autopsy they saw second and third degree thermal burns because
the car was registered up to one hundred and sixty
degrees fahrenheit. Jesus, I know, it's so, oh my god,
(51:09):
it's just so sad to think about, like and and
this kid is like you hear about it with babies,
but then when you hear about it with like a
three year old kid, that's kind of a little bit
more aware, like thinking about them tugging on their like
thing trying to get out and not being able to
get out, and oh my god, it's just it's just
like it's just so terrible and and like you know,
(51:33):
obviously like this kid's dad, whatever happened the kid, the
dad still wanted to be in the kid's life, and
he was trying to be in the kid's life, and
just could you imagine them taking your kid away and
then being like thanks, like you killed my kid, Like
I don't know, it's just And another thing is too,
is that I know that a lot of different daycares,
(51:57):
like for example, when they kids were in daycare, when
I was working at the hospital full time, if I
didn't show up one day, they would just call and
be like, oh, it's so like you were supposed to
call if you weren't coming one day, And if we
didn't show up or we were late, they would call
and be like, oh, just checking to see if so
and so is coming today.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Well, I we don't know what happened, but I just
think this is like kind of probably kind of an
unusual situation where the kids taken out midday and then
brought back.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
It's unusual, But like, is that if that's what happens
all the time, wouldn't they be like the kid never
came back. They know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, yes, they should. But
because maybe it was the only kid that did this,
it was it's like what you say, like in most
of these cases, it's people.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Breaking routine, right.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
I mean, this situation might have been, so to speak,
a breaking of the rout the normal routine, Like kids
don't typically leave midday and come back, they're typically picked.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
I just think that when they do the investigation, the
day care center is gonna have a little bit of
involvement with it. It's just like if you if you know,
a child is leaving to go have this supervised visitation
that they were having all the time, and then getting
brought back and they never come back, and then like
the foster mom shows up and they're like, oh, the
kid's not here. It's just like, well they should have
some accountability too, is to find out where the kid
(53:19):
is because the kid's already in a situation like how
did they know that something didn't happen, like the dad
didn't take the kid or or something bad happened. Well,
they don't because it's a situation of visitize or supervised
visitation and stuff. There's just a lot.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Of scenarios that could have gone down, like was it
the same person that picked up the kid every time?
Were they trying to contact the person and whatever? You
just don't know, but the person has reportedly been fired,
so I'm interested to see what the investigation is going
to turn up.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
All right, guys.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
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have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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