June 17, 2025 • 10 mins
We shared our thoughts on the documentary titled 'Titan: The OceanGate Disaster' and discussed other explorations.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Get your heads together, and we're going to start the party.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm ready a party.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
The Elvis Duran After Party.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The After Party Podcast. And we're here.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
There's Gandhi and there's Danielle and Skeary and Scotty Bee's
joining us, and there's a straight and eight. Okay, we
got a houseful. Hey, I know that Gandhi, you and
daniel both finished the ocean Gate disaster Titan the ocean
Gate Disaster, Yes, and I started it. And I was
just telling them a second ago that I wasn't in
the headspace to watch it because it was so sad,
(00:38):
and it was it was infuriating. Also, yeah, yeah, outrageous.
So let's talk about it. I mean, it's getting a
lot of views for many reasons. One, it's it's a
big piece of story history for us. We saw it unfold.
Remember when they said they only have so many hours
to breathe down there?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Absolutely yep, And then we found out what was really good.
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I mean, I think it's a really good tutorial in
exactly what not to do, especially when it comes to
running a business and or science and engineering. You hire
people around you for checks and balances to tell you
and fill in the blanks about the things that you
don't know, and then you're supposed to listen to them, right,
And that did not happen here, And I just thought
(01:22):
through the whole thing, which is what I was asking Danielle.
You know his team, because so many people on that
team left because they said, what the hell is happening here?
This is wildly unserted.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Because they knew something bad was gonna happen. Yeah, they knew,
and they didn't want to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So all these people left. So I was asking her,
do you think when that first news bullet went out, Hey,
the ocean Gate submersible has gone missing? Every single one
of them was like, oh, yeah, we know exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Because I thought, how many times during that documentary did
you see it? You know, they were testing different ones
and it would go down and the pressure would get
so bad and then it would explode. Yeah, And I
was like, oh my gosh, it's so crazy that that's
actually how the guy dies. And he's testing all of this,
so I think they knew right away that it exploding.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That complosion stuff is wild. And the fact that he
put his body in it every time was fascinating. Part
of me respected that because he was like, I believe
in this, I'm going to go down and do it.
But it's like, imagine you have a car and as
you're driving the car, all of the lights and you know,
all the warnings are going off, and then the engineer
of that car is like, hey, if you go past
the speed, it's going to be a bad, bad thing
(02:31):
and you're going to die. And then you say, cool,
just kill all the lights.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't need to see those, you remember.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It was really interesting how he was telling everyone on board, Hey,
if you hear alarms, just ignore them.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yes, we'll get through that.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, no alarms are there because they're alarming you about
something going wrong exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And there was one thing that they did. Wait, he
wasn't supposed to drive the actual capsule thingy, and he
decided last minute that he wasn't even trained in it.
He was like, I'm driving, and the guy who was
supposed to drive was like, no, I need to do it.
And what did he do. He drove it right into something,
he hit something with it, and then then he stopped
(03:13):
talking to the guy who initially was supposed to drive
it and he was just like like basically like a baby,
I'm not talking to you anymore, and like ignoring him
because the guy told him what was going to happen.
I mean, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So this guy total narcissist. He didn't stop to think
that he was putting these people's lives in danger, No,
including his own. Yeah, and these poor people trusted him
and he gave them obviously enough information to make them
think he could be trusted. Yeah, and just dangerous that
people put other people in harm's way every single day
(03:48):
in different forms of this, and he lost.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
He lost big for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And I think you know, Nate and I was kind
of talking about this. He seemed like somebody who really
didn't understand the concept we talk about all the time,
which is failure is part of your road to success.
You are going to have setbacks. That's how you learn
and that's how you get better. But he wouldn't accept
any of the pieces that were failures. He just kept thinking, Nope,
I don't accept that you're telling me this is going
to break. I'm powering through and look what happened. The
(04:15):
ultimate failure. You have to really lean into that stuff
because it's important.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I want to know more about the people who trusted
this guy and why didn't they do their research or
you know, and properly vet him and his company.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Are you talking about the customers customers have worked with him,
the customers, the customers that went down there with him, Well,
you know, well that says a lot about us and
how we just sort of believe everything we read.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Scary, that's scary.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I mean any charge anytime. No, no, I'm not thinking so
it makes you a bad person. But if you start
believing every little ad you read and every quote unquote
science results or research results that come out about this pill,
that pill, this this food, that food, and you believe
all of it, then you more right behind him. And
(05:01):
that's what they did with him, he said, just enough
to make them believe.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yep, it was okay to go.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Down Even his own people wouldn't go to like they have, Like,
so would you have gone into the submersible yourself? And
the people that work with they were like.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Nope, no, Well, so should that any of them be
held accountable or someone accountable?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They tried.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They all tried, so tried.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Some of them did have to end up testifying in
front of the committees that were investigating what happened, but
most of the engineers left or were fired on their
way to doing this, So the people who were kind
of left behind were almost the like weak links of
the team. So yeah, it is. I mean, they should
definitely have been held accountable for some of the things.
(05:40):
But they were also saying, you know, part of the
way he convinced people was because it had made it
down there a few times, but every time it went
down and got weaker, because every time those clicks in
those pops, it was breaking. And then they sent out
this rattlely, you know, horrible thing, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Let me ask you guys a question. Let's talk about
exploration as a whole. You know, hopping on.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
A craft that sends you up into outer space, going
into a submersible to go down and see the Titanic.
I mean, you do have to basically submit and just
put your life in people's hands, in their team, they're
team's hands.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But you want to be an adventurer.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You you, of all people here on the show, Gandhi,
you you are the closest to being one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Oh thank you would?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So how would you?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
How would you have vetted this guy, how would you
have explored, well, the goods and the bads, what this
this would have been?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Who could have been?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
That was kind of tough because I'm looking at it
in hindsight where I say, hell, no, I would never
do that. If I had been in a position where
I said, oh, this thing's gone down so many times,
it must be fine, I think I could have seen
myself saying, yeah, I'll roll that dice. It's happened so
many times. What can possibly go wrong? And now that
I've seen this, I would not do that. I would
(06:56):
like to believe that, you know, teams are in place
for reasons, but we're learning this guy didn't do it
that way.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What about the SpaceX thing Danielle Gandhi or that's the
SpaceX thing several weeks ago, Katie Perry is shooting in
an outer space with Dale King or whoever they're with.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I mean, seriously, they all put their.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Lives in the hands of these people, right, and there
was a chance that could have gone south.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Of course, Yeah, I don't think that trip was worth
it if I mean, all they did was like shoot
up into the atmosphere and then come back down and
you like, hold a daisy. That happened.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I'm telling you that was a ride and an amusement.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah that No, if if there was a chance to
maybe like go to the moon and step on the
moon or go to Mars maybe, I don't know. But
now that I've seen this documentary, I'm going to do
a lot more research and ask for the engineering reports
before we go.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
But but I get it back up, Daniel, you said
somebody that was a ride in an amusement park.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It wasn't. That was not an amusement park.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No, but I've been in the atmosphere and it goes
up and then it goes similar, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
We you know they they received backlash and what ever.
You know when they came back down to Earth after
the five seconds in space.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, but they were taking a chance for their life.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
They definitely were. I'm sure they had assigned lots of papers.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I'm talking about what you're thinking and feeling inside when
you're about to hop on board one of those crafts,
either under the ocean or into outer space.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're thinking, Okay, this could be it for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Of course, have any of you guys, how many people
here have gone skydiving.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You have.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think it's sort of akin to that innate you
have to have. Yet it's like that feeling as you're
stepping out of the plane where you sort of just
have to surrender.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You know, you have to.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There's a chance, there's a chance that this shoot doesn't open,
there's a chance I hit the ground. But that feeling
in the moment of doing something so incredible, it's kind
of nice.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I felt that way you're ziplining.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh my god, it was similar.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It was similar.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I felt like this this thing is I'm held together
by this like rope in this Yeah, that scared the
hell out of me, and I'm like, oh my god,
this could be it.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You feel that way when you go under the knife,
when a surgeon is now going to put you to
sleep and you are in their hands right. Well, so
that's that you have to have that courage to do it,
but you also have to understand that there are there
are chances that you want to come back.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
You know what's funny is since I've had kids, I
stopped completely taking unnecessary risks, so I won't do any
of that thrill seeking stuff like I would go and
hot air balloons and blimps and stuff with Greg t
all the time. And then since I had kids, I
won't do any of that stuff anymore because they need me.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I need to be here for them.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well that's a responsibility.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, So if you're running ocean Gate and you're taking
Titan down to the depths of hell, basically, I mean
he had it seems not one ounce of that same
responsibility for human life.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, he didn't seem to care.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Now, didn't seem to care.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, he was and he was a narcissist. Yeah, that's
what you know.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They said he wanted to be Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos.
He was a D swinging contest and that's all he
wanted to do was come back and be like, look
what I did.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And he actually didn't. He he used like that term
and said that he wanted to be one of the
big D swingers.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
He swung his.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Deep and it wasn't much date to swing obviously, Titan,
it's the ocean.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Wait, I can't read my writing, Titan, what.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Is the ocean Gate submersible disaster? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Can you read that on that? Look?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
No, I don't know. Says something about.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Duck Anyway, Titan the ocean Gate disaster. Check it out
and let's know what you think.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
The Elvis ter Ran after party
Get your heads together, and we're going to start the party.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm ready a party.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
The Elvis Duran After Party.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The After Party Podcast. And we're here.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
There's Gandhi and there's Danielle and Skeary and Scotty Bee's
joining us, and there's a straight and eight. Okay, we
got a houseful. Hey, I know that Gandhi, you and
daniel both finished the ocean Gate disaster Titan the ocean
Gate Disaster, Yes, and I started it. And I was
just telling them a second ago that I wasn't in
the headspace to watch it because it was so sad,
(00:38):
and it was it was infuriating. Also, yeah, yeah, outrageous.
So let's talk about it. I mean, it's getting a
lot of views for many reasons. One, it's it's a
big piece of story history for us. We saw it unfold.
Remember when they said they only have so many hours
to breathe down there?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Absolutely yep, And then we found out what was really good.
So where do you want to start?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I mean, I think it's a really good tutorial in
exactly what not to do, especially when it comes to
running a business and or science and engineering. You hire
people around you for checks and balances to tell you
and fill in the blanks about the things that you
don't know, and then you're supposed to listen to them, right,
And that did not happen here, And I just thought
(01:22):
through the whole thing, which is what I was asking Danielle.
You know his team, because so many people on that
team left because they said, what the hell is happening here?
This is wildly unserted.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Because they knew something bad was gonna happen. Yeah, they knew,
and they didn't want to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So all these people left. So I was asking her,
do you think when that first news bullet went out, Hey,
the ocean Gate submersible has gone missing? Every single one
of them was like, oh, yeah, we know exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Because I thought, how many times during that documentary did
you see it? You know, they were testing different ones
and it would go down and the pressure would get
so bad and then it would explode. Yeah, And I
was like, oh my gosh, it's so crazy that that's
actually how the guy dies. And he's testing all of this,
so I think they knew right away that it exploding.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
That complosion stuff is wild. And the fact that he
put his body in it every time was fascinating. Part
of me respected that because he was like, I believe
in this, I'm going to go down and do it.
But it's like, imagine you have a car and as
you're driving the car, all of the lights and you know,
all the warnings are going off, and then the engineer
of that car is like, hey, if you go past
the speed, it's going to be a bad, bad thing
(02:31):
and you're going to die. And then you say, cool,
just kill all the lights.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't need to see those, you remember.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
It was really interesting how he was telling everyone on board, Hey,
if you hear alarms, just ignore them.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yes, we'll get through that.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, no alarms are there because they're alarming you about
something going wrong exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And there was one thing that they did. Wait, he
wasn't supposed to drive the actual capsule thingy, and he
decided last minute that he wasn't even trained in it.
He was like, I'm driving, and the guy who was
supposed to drive was like, no, I need to do it.
And what did he do. He drove it right into something,
he hit something with it, and then then he stopped
(03:13):
talking to the guy who initially was supposed to drive
it and he was just like like basically like a baby,
I'm not talking to you anymore, and like ignoring him
because the guy told him what was going to happen.
I mean, ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So this guy total narcissist. He didn't stop to think
that he was putting these people's lives in danger, No,
including his own. Yeah, and these poor people trusted him
and he gave them obviously enough information to make them
think he could be trusted. Yeah, and just dangerous that
people put other people in harm's way every single day
(03:48):
in different forms of this, and he lost.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
He lost big for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
And I think you know, Nate and I was kind
of talking about this. He seemed like somebody who really
didn't understand the concept we talk about all the time,
which is failure is part of your road to success.
You are going to have setbacks. That's how you learn
and that's how you get better. But he wouldn't accept
any of the pieces that were failures. He just kept thinking, Nope,
I don't accept that you're telling me this is going
to break. I'm powering through and look what happened. The
(04:15):
ultimate failure. You have to really lean into that stuff
because it's important.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
I want to know more about the people who trusted
this guy and why didn't they do their research or
you know, and properly vet him and his company.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Are you talking about the customers customers have worked with him,
the customers, the customers that went down there with him, Well,
you know, well that says a lot about us and
how we just sort of believe everything we read.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Scary, that's scary.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I mean any charge anytime. No, no, I'm not thinking so
it makes you a bad person. But if you start
believing every little ad you read and every quote unquote
science results or research results that come out about this pill,
that pill, this this food, that food, and you believe
all of it, then you more right behind him. And
(05:01):
that's what they did with him, he said, just enough
to make them believe.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yep, it was okay to go.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Down Even his own people wouldn't go to like they have, Like,
so would you have gone into the submersible yourself? And
the people that work with they were like.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Nope, no, Well, so should that any of them be
held accountable or someone accountable?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
They tried.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They all tried, so tried.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Some of them did have to end up testifying in
front of the committees that were investigating what happened, but
most of the engineers left or were fired on their
way to doing this, So the people who were kind
of left behind were almost the like weak links of
the team. So yeah, it is. I mean, they should
definitely have been held accountable for some of the things.
(05:40):
But they were also saying, you know, part of the
way he convinced people was because it had made it
down there a few times, but every time it went
down and got weaker, because every time those clicks in
those pops, it was breaking. And then they sent out
this rattlely, you know, horrible thing, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Let me ask you guys a question. Let's talk about
exploration as a whole. You know, hopping on.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
A craft that sends you up into outer space, going
into a submersible to go down and see the Titanic.
I mean, you do have to basically submit and just
put your life in people's hands, in their team, they're
team's hands.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
But you want to be an adventurer.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You you, of all people here on the show, Gandhi,
you you are the closest to being one of those.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Oh thank you would?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So how would you?
Speaker 4 (06:25):
How would you have vetted this guy, how would you
have explored, well, the goods and the bads, what this
this would have been?
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Who could have been?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
That was kind of tough because I'm looking at it
in hindsight where I say, hell, no, I would never
do that. If I had been in a position where
I said, oh, this thing's gone down so many times,
it must be fine, I think I could have seen
myself saying, yeah, I'll roll that dice. It's happened so
many times. What can possibly go wrong? And now that
I've seen this, I would not do that. I would
(06:56):
like to believe that, you know, teams are in place
for reasons, but we're learning this guy didn't do it
that way.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
What about the SpaceX thing Danielle Gandhi or that's the
SpaceX thing several weeks ago, Katie Perry is shooting in
an outer space with Dale King or whoever they're with.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I mean, seriously, they all put their.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Lives in the hands of these people, right, and there
was a chance that could have gone south.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Of course, Yeah, I don't think that trip was worth
it if I mean, all they did was like shoot
up into the atmosphere and then come back down and
you like, hold a daisy. That happened.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I'm telling you that was a ride and an amusement.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah that No, if if there was a chance to
maybe like go to the moon and step on the
moon or go to Mars maybe, I don't know. But
now that I've seen this documentary, I'm going to do
a lot more research and ask for the engineering reports
before we go.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
But but I get it back up, Daniel, you said
somebody that was a ride in an amusement park.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It wasn't. That was not an amusement park.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No, but I've been in the atmosphere and it goes
up and then it goes similar, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
We you know they they received backlash and what ever.
You know when they came back down to Earth after
the five seconds in space.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, but they were taking a chance for their life.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
They definitely were. I'm sure they had assigned lots of papers.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I'm talking about what you're thinking and feeling inside when
you're about to hop on board one of those crafts,
either under the ocean or into outer space.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
You're thinking, Okay, this could be it for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Of course, have any of you guys, how many people
here have gone skydiving.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
You have.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I think it's sort of akin to that innate you
have to have. Yet it's like that feeling as you're
stepping out of the plane where you sort of just
have to surrender.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
You know, you have to.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
There's a chance, there's a chance that this shoot doesn't open,
there's a chance I hit the ground. But that feeling
in the moment of doing something so incredible, it's kind
of nice.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I felt that way you're ziplining.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh my god, it was similar.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It was similar.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
I felt like this this thing is I'm held together
by this like rope in this Yeah, that scared the
hell out of me, and I'm like, oh my god,
this could be it.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You feel that way when you go under the knife,
when a surgeon is now going to put you to
sleep and you are in their hands right. Well, so
that's that you have to have that courage to do it,
but you also have to understand that there are there
are chances that you want to come back.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
You know what's funny is since I've had kids, I
stopped completely taking unnecessary risks, so I won't do any
of that thrill seeking stuff like I would go and
hot air balloons and blimps and stuff with Greg t
all the time. And then since I had kids, I
won't do any of that stuff anymore because they need me.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I need to be here for them.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well that's a responsibility.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, So if you're running ocean Gate and you're taking
Titan down to the depths of hell, basically, I mean
he had it seems not one ounce of that same
responsibility for human life.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, he didn't seem to care.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Now, didn't seem to care.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, he was and he was a narcissist. Yeah, that's
what you know.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
They said he wanted to be Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos.
He was a D swinging contest and that's all he
wanted to do was come back and be like, look
what I did.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And he actually didn't. He he used like that term
and said that he wanted to be one of the
big D swingers.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
He swung his.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Deep and it wasn't much date to swing obviously, Titan,
it's the ocean.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Wait, I can't read my writing, Titan, what.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Is the ocean Gate submersible disaster? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Can you read that on that? Look?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
No, I don't know. Says something about.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Duck Anyway, Titan the ocean Gate disaster. Check it out
and let's know what you think.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!