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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome to Mother Knows. That today's episode is heavy
on women's health, and we're going to get started off
with a reality star who forgot she had a tampon
in for over a month, a death involving a home birth,
a mom catching her doctor in the parking lot of
the hospital running to get to her delivery on time,
a toilet berth, a man offering free semen and delivery
(00:45):
for women who are having a difficult time getting pregnant,
and another unpleasant side effect of ozembic. All that and
more on today's episode. Let's get started with this terrible
tampon story.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So Savannah Miller, who was on the seventh season of
the competition showed the Circle, recently shared that when she
was twenty two years old, she left a tampon in
for about a month, which quote smelled like a dead rat.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's a very interesting description, actually, because we have a
post in the grosser Room called super Gross Absorbancy about
a case where a woman had had a tampon stuck
in her vagina for an extended period of time. I
recall one time in surgical pathology, we got a tampon
(01:35):
out of an elderly woman's vagina that was up there
for a very long time, and I recall it being
one of the worst smelling specimens that we ever got
in surgical pathology. Now, when I did this post in
the grosser Room a few years ago called super gross
absorbency about this particular case with a tampon, there's like
(01:57):
almost eighty comments underneath of this post that say it's
it's from medical professionals mostly, but even people that had
the experience personally, and a few people in those comments
described it as smelling like a dead rat. That is
why a dead rat specifically.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, one of our very first episodes of Mother Knows Death,
you talked about this with nurse Amy lockran too, Yeah, exactly,
explaining that was one of the worst things she's ever
smelled in her career as a nurse as well.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
There's been a couple of specimens that I can recall
that I'm like, when we're in the grosser room and
we open this specimen and take it out of the
bag or the container, that we all have to leave
the room because it's so bad. Just by opening the
lid it's like out of control. It's happened a few times,
and that is one that I could specifically remember for sure,
(02:49):
and I'm sure anyone working in the emergency room as well.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Why why is like what makes it smell so bad
over time? Because like you guys have pulled out the
foreign objects from people that have been there in a while,
and I've never heard anything described as quite as a
horrible smell as this.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, because it has old blood. Blood smells in general,
old blood smells even worse. It's period blood that has
a certain kind of an odor, and it's just sitting
up there bacteria. It's just there's a low oxygen environment
up there. It's really it's really really disturbing. So this
(03:30):
particular case seems a bit unnecessary because I feel like
this girl knew. So what happened was this is and
this is what you hear all the time. It's somebody
that was on the end of their period. It might
have had like a day left. This girl was going
to a bar and she was like, let me put
on a tampon, so I just don't have anything leaking
out for like the last day. And then she forgot
(03:50):
about it, but she started noticing that she was having
like this really unusual smell and itching and and just
like something wasn't right, And she went to the doctor
several times and even was tested for STDs. So when
I hear that, I'm like, Okay, they had to have
done a pelvic exam, right, Yeah, they did three pelvic
(04:12):
exams before they figured this out, which I don't even
understand how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
See, this is worrisome for me because I have some
comfort during my yearly appointment that, like God forbid, anything
wrong was up there, they would see it when they
stick that medieval contraption and your vagina'd open you up, right,
But like, are they just can you not see the
whole cavity?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, I think that, I think that it's possible for
you to exam. I think in a normal examination, that's
not something that they would be looking for. Because what
happens is you have like your uterine cervix, which is
the opening to your uterus, right, but like surrounding that,
there's a little like a pocket up there that you
(04:54):
could see. So she put the tampon in, didn't realize
it was there for a month, got her period again,
and every time she put in a new tampon. She
was just jamming it up in that little pocket multiple times,
like it could get really pushed up in there. And
but when she comes with these specific symptoms, that shoo
(05:15):
key the gynecologists or whoever's performing the publvic exam to
to look for something like that, because it's pretty I
wouldn't say it's the most common thing in the world,
but there's many stories of this happening to people. So
the biggest risk is you could get toxic shock syndrome,
which is a bacterial infection with specific bacteria that releases
(05:38):
toxins that that could kill you. It could cause sepsis,
and it could actually cause you to die. She didn't
get sick like that from it, but it's just more
it's just more gross, I guess you would say, than
anything else. And luckily they were able to take it out.
But I mean, she herself was describing the smell as
being so bad that she was able to smell it
like while she was in class, and that's just could
(05:59):
be embarrassing to a woman too, So I think it's
kind of ridiculous that it took them three different pelvic
exams to figure this out.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, yeah, of course it's embarrassing, and then you must
have some mental like I would be like I've been
to the doctor three times, like what's going on? They're
clearly not seeing anything's wrong with me. So I feel
like part of it is a mental thing where you're like,
am I like making this up?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Or what is going on?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Because they're not finding anything wrong with me? And it's
disgusting and it can be really embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, and especially when they did the STD testing and
nothing was there, like there's no there's no documented conditions
of like women just having some like foul putrid like
vaginal smell that doesn't have a cause, you know what
I mean. So it's like you shouldn't just be like, oh,
well everything's negative. So especially when it just comes on
(06:51):
really fast like.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That, Well, I guess in the sense it's like it's
lucky that she didn't get toxic chock syndrome or anything. Yeah,
it is, actually because she seems like she was pretty honest.
Like that's like so so rare too, like is here at.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Least for me? For me?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It makes it seem like it could just happen to
anybody at any time, Like if you if you leave
a tampon in for eight hours and ten minutes, like
you're at risk of getting it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
No, I need to look at the numbers. But like, honestly,
I think that it's it's it's. It definitely has happened,
and when it does happen, it's really bad. So they
just want to warn women that that's a possibility. But
I don't believe that it happens. Like it's like very rare.
Probably I would say minimal cases reported in comparison especially
(07:40):
to how many times women leave tampons and it's you
would think you would see more women getting getting it
and they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, because I don't even sleep in them because I'm paranoix.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Jesus Christ, you are. You are like a special crazy
person for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, I think you should pull back a little bit
and be like, why am I crazy person? It's probably
because I was overexposed to so many things I could
go wrong with the body at a young age, and
that's why I'm paranoid. So putting the blame on you, mother,
all right. Back in twenty twenty two, this forty one
year old woman was pregnant and claimed the pregnancy was
going smooth only visited the doctor once at eight months
(08:17):
pregnant to check for the baby's heartbeat, but declined further
exam and testing, which I'm pretty sure everybody would say
is an ill advised way to go about pregnancy. So
when it came time for the birth, the mother had
chosen free birth, which means you give birth without medical
or midwifery assistance. And for that free birth, she contacted
an influencer named Emily Lao who runs this Instagram account
(08:40):
called the Authentic Birthkeeper to rent a birthing pool. A
couple weeks later, gave birth to the baby in the
pool at her home, and it did not go as expected.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, I guess that's I mean, Listen, I've had such
negative experiences at the hospital that I've commonly I probably
said it on the show before or that I joke
that I would have had a better experience if I
squatted by a tree than I did at the hospital.
But so I do understand people who want to have
(09:11):
a home birth, like in fact, like I might be
for it in some cases, but I would always be
for it with the assistance of a nurse practitioner or
a midwife for sure, Like I want somebody there that
knows that there's going to be a problem. And if
there's a problem, because there's so many problems that can happen,
(09:33):
why would you just trust yourself and your partner for
something that important. It just seems dumb, But I do.
I do think that there is something to be said
about doing it at home. I mean, they're like, we're
all here today because people gave birth at home. It's
not impossible.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But yeah, I guess just with like the resources we have,
it's just a question of why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Also, well, I would because I think that I had
such a horrible experience and I don't like certain things,
like after I had the baby, they would they would
say like, oh, well, you know, we'll wake you up
to feed the baby. Every like all this all their
rules and their they have rules about, you know, waking
up the baby to feed the baby, and you're just
(10:21):
kind of like, no, I think the baby will wake
up and cry and I'll feed it when I'm ready.
They caught, they're just like a little bit too controlling.
I didn't like that stuff. I didn't like a lot
of stuff that went down there, and I had to
stay an additional day when I felt fine, like stuff
like that, Like I understand why people choose it. I
do like and I and I tell like, I'm telling
you I had negative experiences so like and and if anything,
(10:44):
I feel like they made me worse than I would
have been if I was at home. That's my personal experience.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, they also have I guess, this middle ground in
between the hospital and the home birth, which is like
a birthing center, well where you will go there and
you can't get any medicine or anything, but they have
like a nice time. It's kind of just like a
really nice hotel room that you're giving birth in, right,
so you're not in the hospital environment. It's a little
more chill. You have a midwife there.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Do you remember in The Nanny when fran Fine went
to like a gynocologist in the office was like decorated
like Laura Ashley wallpaper with matching curtains, and it was all.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I think about this often because every time he goes
to the doctor's office, it's just like so sterile, and
you're like, you can't just have some something anything making
it a little nicer.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Also, like does your of because I know you go
to a different place now do they have like what
do they put on the stirrups there?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I feel I only went to the new one once
so far, I don't remember, but in general, when I've
gone to the Obigu, I n they have like these
blue sock things.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay, well at my at my gynecologist, she has literal
oven myths. I'm not lying to you because Lara goes
to the same doctor as me, and every time we
go we take a picture and send it to each
other because it's hilarious. They're like from the dollar store
oven myths. No, I hope there. I'm like, they can't
make anything cuter for this situation.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I feel like the ones I've seen are like grippy
socks that they just like yeah, on top of it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's so weird, Like the whole the whole thing is weird.
And then they have like a poster on the roof
because you're like laying there, I don't know the.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Whole Can we talk about like doctor's office and Jef,
you and I were just talking about this Friday because
when you go, like they have these curtains that are
dividers right in the rooms, or like they give you
some privacy if you need to change. And they're like
embroidered with this eighties pattern of flowers, or they're like
blue cloth that's the same material as the gown.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I have this conversation with Gabe all the time because I'm,
you know, I'm above craziness as far as like the
decorating of things go. And especially Lucia's which is also
my dermatology office too, it just was decorated so bad.
It just was like the cabinets were navy blue and
(13:14):
the walls were like tan. It was like a school uniform.
There wasn't a picture on the wall, and sometimes, like
for certain appointments, you have to wait a long time
and it's just like there's no personality at all. They're
like And this happened after COVID. I noticed that they're
so sterile that they're scared to put like a picture
of a sal boat on the wall because it might
(13:35):
like offend somebody. Well, my one not a piece of art.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
My one. Dictor's office is a little more chic, but
even so, like they have a wallpaper on the wall,
but it it's like an up close photo. It looks
like when you look under the microscope, but like plant,
like the veins, and I'm just like, of all the wallpaper,
you could clearly have wallpaper, which means you could have
picked any pattern in the world, then you pick this
(14:00):
weird one. There has to be a business for like
interior design for doctor's offices, because I feel like if
we made them a little less sterile, not you don't
got to be like in the Nanny where there's like
beautiful drapes and like all this crazy shit and like
nice throat pillows and stuff. But if we made it
a little less sterile and just a little nicer, maybe
(14:21):
so many people wouldn't have white coat syndrome would be
afraid to go because when you go, it's just like
not a chill environment at all.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's just weird. It's weird. Like I understand wanting to
have certain materials because they you know, like a big
fluffy couch is kind of gross, right, like, yeah, that's disgusting,
but like that tight that tight like plethor seats is fine. Whatever.
It's just that they are choices. It can't the same
(14:50):
kild be said about we stayed at I don't know,
it was like Hampton and or one of the one
of those places, and it was just remodeled, and I'm
just like looking around and I said, who who designed
this hotel?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
A word?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
The chair they're none of the chairs. The patterns on
the chairs they don't match. And I don't mean because
I'm all about like putting patterns together, it's just they
don't go The light fixture is so weird. The choice
of colors don't go together even a little bit, like
what is happening here? And I feel the same way
every time I go to a doctor's office too well.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I told you at crime Con last year, the carpet
that was in the area where like the whole conference
was being held was the craziest pattern ever. It was
like making me dizzy whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh yeah, I remember that. It was like a casino.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, it was too much.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think somebody can find a really good niche market
becoming an interior designer for doctor's offices. I definitely noticed
that specialists have way nicer stuff, but obviously because they're
making way more money than a regular office. But if
you think about the doctor's offices, they're they're raking it in.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
They could put a.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Little nice stuff in there, yeah, they could.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Anyway, we got anyway, off stuff anyway, getting back to
getting back to this. So where were we?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So I soa we were talking about the like a
birthing center.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
That's how I think. So this is what happened. So
this lady was talking to this influencer, and first she
texts the woman and says, I did it. And then
she said she was unable to deliver the placenta until
the following morning, which is really bad, Like, get that
thing out as soon as you can. They would never
(16:34):
That's this is the thing, like if you ever do
a home birth, and this is why you should have
a midwife or someone there, because if the placenta didn't
deliver naturally within a certain amount of time, that nurse
practitioner or that midwife would send you to the hospital
and be like, you need to get this out of
you because you could get really sick just from that,
(16:55):
and you could have bleeding problems from that too, Like
that's nothing that could be ignored for hours. And then
the mom said that she noticed something wrong with the
baby and saying that she couldn't wake up the baby
and the baby appeared to be turning blue. So her
first thought was to message this influencer and be like,
this happened. I can't wake up the baby. What do
(17:17):
you think is happening? Like, is this like a weird
cult thing or something like, what's happening here? Listen?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
This story is really weird. I do follow this one
influencer that has had a home birth. She documented the
whole thing. I watched the whole thing and everything, and
she I'm even I'm just thinking about her in particular
because she really liked the experience from what she's posted online.
But she certainly is always like, do your own thing.
This just happened to work for me, not giving advice.
(17:45):
This is weird because this particular pregnant woman contacted this
influencer and rented They're saying she rented this plastic birthing
pool from her and was in contact with her a
little bit. But then that influencer was saying she had
nothing to do with it. So it's kind of like,
what is going on in this particular story. The influencer
(18:06):
did not see this message for twenty five minutes, and
at that time, there was a FaceTime call and she
was like, you need to call an ambulance, Like obviously,
I don't know why we're looking at influencers for medical
advice instead I having a midwife there.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I know it is. It's very bizarre, Like I could
see that you could watch an influencer and be like, yeah,
I want to do that too, But like the second
you look at your baby and they look like they're
having a problem, why, Like, I just I don't trust
this woman at all. She's she's like she I don't know.
(18:42):
But anyway, so the baby goes to the hospital, babies
pronounced dead because I don't even I don't even really
know like what she thought was going to happen at
that point, after first responders came and brought the baby
to the hospital, like it's too late. So they do
the autopsy and they find like a weird bacteria in
the baby's ears and in the baby's lungs. And now
(19:04):
they're saying, like did this come from this pool that
she rented? Like where did this? Like that's another thing
that you need to take into consideration. And they said
that the problem was due to being underwater prolonged during birth.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I understand why people want to do this, I just
I don't know. I just feel like, if you don't
have any medical knowledge, and you're not going to have
a medical person there. It's just it should be ill advised.
And obviously for centuries people were having birth without people
by their side, right, Like exactly what you're saying. But
I think we're also living in a different society now
where we're not really like good at being survivors, do
(19:43):
you know what I'm trying to say, Like, yeah, exactly
in the sixteen hundreds, you were addicted to your phone
and you could get out of situations. I really don't
think a lot of people are like that today.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Even back then, like they're even if it wasn't like
a formal thing, there were always people in the village
or someth thing that had experience with this stuff that
was like, well, that would be present that would say like,
I mean, listen, clearly she's not all there because she
looked at her baby that looked like it was dying
and didn't have like this motherly instinct kicking to be
(20:15):
like shit, we have to go to the hospital right now.
Something's wrong. That to me alarms the shit out of me, honestly.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So there's a question I have for you. Because they
also said the umbilical cord was uncut. So like when
this child was born at nighttime and the plasait.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It was god so she so the placenta was still
inside the mom and it was attached to the so
she was holding a baby the entire time until because
she didn't pass it for all that time.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, that's what I was getting at because like I'm like,
I know that probably sounds like a dumb question, but
like if they're saying the placenta and the umbilical cord
were untouched and in between the baby being born at
nighttime and then realizing in the morning that something was wrong,
that means the mother was laying with the placenta in
side of her and it was still attached to the
child laying in her arms.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah right, I mean, but the thing is is that
when the baby comes out and it's born, it's it
takes the natural system takes over that the baby starts
breathing on its own and needs to feed on its own.
So like that's why you could just cut that thing off,
because you don't need it anymore, you know what I mean,
Like it's trash, We're done with this, because there's a
certain like the placenta feeds the fetus. But as soon
(21:25):
as the fetus comes out, like it starts doing its
own thing. So it didn't have anything to do with that.
It just had to do with the fact that she
did this water berth and the baby was in the
water underwater obviously because this bacteria was in the lungs
like aspirated this dirty water, and that was part of
(21:47):
the reason that the baby died. And it was probably
a combination of like I mean, imagine throwing a newborn
baby in a swimming pool, even if they got out
at time, I mean, the kid was alive for some
period of time, but you know, you could you could
die post having an exposure like a dry drowning situation
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So the influencer then after so I guess in this
inquest they have because it was in another country, so
they had found that the baby's death was most likely
preventable if the baby was born in a hospital setting.
So then the influencer had gone on to post after
that finding quote, I had nothing to do with the birth.
I wasn't at the birth, I wasn't involved in the birth.
(22:27):
I didn't convince her to have a free birth. I
understand that, but do you not hold some responsibility for
influencing the free birth lifestyle in addition to renting out
a tool that's used to perform the act.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well, I thought she had an interesting comment which was quote,
it's devastating when a baby dies, regardless of where or
how However, the difference between how a mother is treated
when her baby dies in a sovereign birth at home
versus when the baby dies in the system, in a
hospital or at home with a midwife is so different
(23:03):
or so stark. I can't help but feel the entire
process has been used to stick to punish the mother
involved in the death that has been reported in the
media and anyone associated with her. So, I mean, I
guess what she's saying is like, if the mom was
in the hospital and the baby died, they would not
be attacking the mother, which is true.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But yeah, but the death would be responsible on the
medical professionals in the environment, and she chose not to
have medical professional Yeah exactly. Therefore she was the only
person involved in the child death.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So like, yeah, I do, I do see that, but
like that's the basic facts of this case.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, Like, you didn't do anything to stop this from happening,
and in fact, when the autopsy says that the baby
likely would have survived if it was a hospital, then
then like you're it is your fault. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think the general message here is you should look
at people online and what they're sharing and understand that
that's their personal experience and you should not be taking
medical advice from the internet exactly. This episode is brought
to you by the Gross Room.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So we were talking earlier about women leaving tampons in
and you need to see these cases and read about them,
just do you know what, Just do yourself a favor
and search tampon in the gross room because you're gonna
see some pretty interesting cases. This week's high profile dissection
was fibromyalgia, and we also talked about a crazy case
(24:34):
probably I don't know if you saw this post that
I did either of a person that ingested hair. It's
probably the craziest case of it I've I've ever seen. Honestly,
the surgery seems outrageous, but I don't know, Like I
can't I can't imagine that eating your hair. Really, it
doesn't digest and.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Some people are into it though, so you never know. Yeah,
the picture is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah in that case though, So all that and more
in the Gross Room this week.
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
All Right, the only reason I really added this story
is because I feel like something similar happened to me
when I was having Lucia. All right, So last month,
this woman was in labor and even though she showed
up five centimeters dilated, her doctor induced her to keep
things moving. So while that kicked in, he was like,
I'm gonna go back to my office meet with another patient.
I'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So she got scared because she got to ten centimeters
and he wasn't there yet. But then a nurse said
look out the window and they saw him running across
the street to make the birth on time.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's so cute.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's super cute seeing the video, and it's like, I
feel like this episode in particular, we're having a lot
of really weird stories about birth, but this is like
a nice one to see that this guy cared a
lot and was running over to the patient.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I swear a similar thing happened to me because when
I showed up at the hot like when I had Lucia,
it was only eighteen months after having Lilian, and it
was so fresh in my mind to give birth, so
I knew that there was no reason to go to
the hospital until I seemed to be further along, because
I was just going to sit there all day and wait,
(26:16):
and I could have just did that at home. So
I'm here at the house and my water was sprinkling
out throughout the day, but I and I was having
contractions and stuff, but it was like doable. And then
all of a sudden, I was like, okay, like I
can't tolerate this anymore. I have to go to the hospital.
(26:36):
Classic story of Gabe having a brand new truck and
putting a giant black trash bag on the seat because
he thought I was going to like gush fluids all
over his car. But we got to the hospital, and
I was shocked when they told me that I wasn't
really that far dilated. They were like, oh, you're only
one or two centimeters, and I was like, oh my god,
this is going to hurt so bad. So I get
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there and we go upstairs and they keep like I
was in so much pain, and they kept saying, oh,
you're not far enough along yet to get to get
the anesthesia. And all this stuff because I did try
to get it, it just didn't work out. And then
finally I was sitting there and I just couldn't. I
just was like, I just can't believe I'm in this
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much pain and and I'm not even like anywhere near
there yet. I was feeling very scared, honestly. And then
all of a sudden, I say to the nurse, I
feel like I have to push, and she's like, are
you short? Like it was like it like kind of
blowing me off, and she checked. And then all of
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a sudden, it was like really really fast, my doctor
ran in and he was wearing I don't even know
where he got this outfit that he was wearing. He
was wearing like do you remember those like ninety wind
breaker suits. He was wearing a nineties wind breaker suit
for some reason. And this was only ten years ago. Oh,
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And they were ripping things out of the cabinet and
like setting up, and it was like, I within ten minutes,
she was out of my body.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, I remember that day because you were like, I'm
in labor, but just like go to where it, go
about your day because it's gonna be all day long.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And then twenty minutes when I told you, They told
me I was like two centimeters or something.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, And then twenty minutes later, Gabe sent me a
picture of Lubert and I was like, what just possibly
happened in the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It was crazy, it was It was so outrageous how
fast it was. But at least, like I honestly felt
better afterwards because I because I obviously I had no
drugs whatsoever, but I felt better because I was like, okay,
so the pain that I thought I was dying from
was really like nine and ten centimeter pain. Okay, Like
that justifies because you guys were telling me that I
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wasn't deaf far along, and I was. You severely miscalculated.
But the same exacting happened. Like my doctor was clearly
he was there around, either at the office or something,
but he ran in and was like not even wearing scrubs.
It was like out of control. So that is just
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it just kind of reminded me of that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
So his office is only one hundred yards away from
I guess the delivery unit there. So he said, with
twelve years of experience, he has refined his timing in
his route. So he can always make sure to get
there on time, which is super cool. Yeah the video,
he just looks like so heroic running across the street
to get there on time. All right, This birth story
(29:38):
is crazy. A couple months ago, this couple was on
a road trip with their six year old daughter in Toronto.
The wife claims that she went to bed and in
the middle of the night woke up with stomach pains
and an urge to push, exactly like what you were saying,
and before she knew it, she ended up giving birth
to a baby she didn't know she was pregnant with
in a toilet.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, Like, I mean I automatically would have thought that
I had diarrhea or something. Yeah. Absolutely, when you the
urge to push thing is like a real thing, because
I think before you have a baby, you're like, what
what does that feel like? How am I going to know?
And I'm like, oh, you know, it's like this, your
body just like reflexes and does it Like it's just
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the weirdest thing ever. It's just expels like I can't explain,
you know how. It's kind of similar to when you're
sitting there and you go you feel nauseous, right, but
then you throw up, like you don't really have control
over it. You're just like something's guiding me to the
toilet and I need to bend over and like get
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this out of me right now. It's kind of like
that feeling, like it just overtakes and like I really
don't know how else to explain it. It's just very
like spontaneous. So having like especially this woman had already
given birth, so she knows the whole deal. I'm sure
that was the last thing on her mind.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I don't
think it's whenever we hear there's these instances. I mean,
there was an entire show called I Didn't Know I
was pregnant. It's so unbelievable to me, based on everybody
I know that's pregnant that somebody wouldn't know, right, but
especially a person that's given birth not once, but twice.
This woman at an eighteen year old and a sixteen
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year old. So that's what I think is extra crazy.
And she's saying that it was quite the shock to
her husband, who woke up when she was going to
the bathroom and heard a baby crying at the bathroom,
was like, what is possibly going on, but I guess
she she said she was having regular periods, so she
never questioned it. There was the thought she was going
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through perry menopause at some point. She had several miscarriages
after the birth of her six year old daughter, so
I guess this was just totally unexpected. I just still
will never understand. This baby looked like a full sized,
huge baby too from pictures.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's a very interesting point because it made you think
of of, uh like placebo kind of when most people
find out they're pregnant when they're like what five or
six weeks pregnant, So it's like when you know in
your mind, then you're like, okay, well, I'm like really hungry.
Like every weird symptom you have can be explained because
(32:20):
you're pregnant, weakain being extra hungry, just like any kind
of weird system. You'd be like, okay, well, like symptom
you're You're just like, oh, I'm pregnant, that's why, and
you eat more and you're like, well, I'm eating like
like this because like you know, sometimes you whatever and
everyone doesn't get that like I do, and I'm pregnant.
I'm like like ravenous every single day. But some people
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just gain normal weight whatever. But if you don't know,
and you're just kind of blow it off, like God,
like listen, like I'm going through perimenopause right now, and
every single day I'm like fighting all this weird stuff
that's happening with my body. And I'm like, right, I
want to eat all day long, but I know I
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can't cause I'm going to gain weight. So it's like
like I reel it in. But then it's like if
I knew I was pregnant, like maybe I'd be like, well,
I'm pregnant, it makes sense, and you just have like
weird symptoms that you would blow off because you don't
know that you're pregnant.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I remember when I read Kelly Rippa's book, she said,
I think it was with her third kid, maybe it
was her first, I don't know, I don't know. Anyway,
she thought she had the flu for like weeks and
she was sick, and she was like, I was taking
all this medicine and then she found out she was
like eight weeks pregnant or something crazy, and then she
was freaking out because then she took all that medicine,
not knowing she was pregnant, But I just hear different
(33:40):
things with everybody. I agree with you. I think sometimes
it could definitely be a place Ebo effect, if you know,
because I'm sure people just have days where they have
weird cravings or mild nausea or diary like they don't
think anything of it. But of course you're gonna be
hyper vigilant when you know something's going on in your
body and blame it on that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, Like and I understand, like it's just it's just different,
like you feel. Let's say you feel the movement of
the baby obviously when you're pregnant, right, But like if
you don't know and you're not expecting it, your mind
could just do crazy, like amazing things like you might
just blow it off as gas or and and other
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times women's like a uterus could be towards the back
of their body that they don't show as much.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
That's what I was gonna ask, because I can understand
blowing the other symptoms off to other things. But like
most pregnant people I see are so visibly pregnant when
they're that far.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
But there's there's a viral video I saw going around
there about this woman who was like documenting her whole pregnancy,
and she would you know, she did the video like
eight weeks, ten weeks, like every couple weeks, and her
belly like didn't really get that big. It happens with
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some people. And like I said, some people, some people
lose weight when they're pregnant because they're sick. Some people
don't gain that much weight. Like this woman already had
two kids. Like maybe let's just say, maybe she was
twenty pounds overweight just from having kids and being older whatever, right,
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like she might she might not have noticed her belly
sticking out as much as before, do you know, because
of the chances in your body when you get older.
So and really, I've seen an autopsy of a pregnant
person that was full term, and the uterus itself is
not really taking up a whole bunch of space in there,
(35:44):
So it could be hidden in certain types of bodies
for sure. Like I told you, I like, I've been
pregnant three times, and I sit there and I say,
that's impossible. But then you could see when people will
have certain circumstances that you might just not know it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, all right, five years ago this thirty eight year
old guy from Japan was asked by a friend to
sleep with his wife because that guy was unable to
get her pregnant. So the guy ended up doing it
because he wanted to do a nice thing. But after that,
he decided to offer his services to others, meaning he'll
either sleep with the woman they get her pregnant, but
he also offers a non sex option.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Well maybe he puts it in a cup or something. Yeah,
so whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
He's selling his services via social media, which is apparently
this legal gray area in Japan, they have no specific
laws that banned private sperm donation or online promotion, and
he's been successful. There's a couple babies that have been
born from his services.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well it's weird because you would think, oh, this is
obvious prostitution kind of, but then at the same time
he's not. He asked people to pay for his travel,
but he doesn't actually want he's not getting paid for
it as a job. Yeah, so it's not. But like
if you talk about prostitution, like if someone was like, oh,
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I'll have sex with you for free if you fly
me here, is that considered Okay? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I don't know because it's with the intention of conception.
So yeah, I think it's interesting, and I wonder if
they're gonna put laws in place, because this guy is
kind of in this like legal loophol doing this. But
he was saying that he thought, like his friend, most
of his customers would be couples with infertility, but it
ends up that his number one demographic is same sex
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marriages with women and single mothers who are just looking
to have kids, and then infertile couples.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So apparently on his social media he posts that he
gets this like sexually transmitted infection test every month to
prove that he's clean. And he also posts a picture
of his degree, so you could know that he's both
educated and legit who he is saying he is.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So he's had over twenty requests, he's gotten seven women pregnant,
and four children have been born so far.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I would just like love a camera to just be
there recording this. Like how did like you have a
complete stranger showing up at your house and you're in
like having sex with your wife. Yeah, whether they're straight
or lesbian, Like, it's just weird. It's just weird to
think that you're just gonna let some stranger, like stick
as penis inside you. You don't even know him, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
A lot of people do that just for fun. I
guess that's true.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, but like it's just it's not but it's not
for fun, and that's what's weirding me out. I guess
it's just very clinical, like you're just gonna stand there
and watch this guy. Like, I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I guess some obviously in some cases people are okay
with it. But I'm more like a woman's okay just
having sex with a stranger to get pregnant. I'm just
curious the people that inquire about it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's way cheaper though than going to a fertility doctor.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
We need a docu series on this guy. This This
is the type of.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Stuff, Like, think about if you got even if you
got the sperm, if you went to a fertility place
and said I have a sperm donor and wanted to
get in vitro fertilization, I wonder what that would cost
between them cost what IVF cost for for artificial intemination.
(39:32):
Well yeah, but minus the transfers and all that, Like
you would just be paying for the transfer though, Like
like why would Yeah, artificial intamination.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Oh sorry you said, you said IVF. So if you're
if you're just getting IU I, like, you still have
to pay for the IU. I Like, if you're going
with your husband, the sperm is free because it's coming
from your us.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But that's what I'm saying. But they probably have all
these charges on how they collect it and preserve it
and put in the little container and do the whole procedure.
I wonder how much that costs, because there's a lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
They would never accept it that wasn't the specimen has
to be collected in the office. They're not gonna accept
it just bringing it in.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, but there's plenty of women that go in there
that don't, that aren't using their husbands. Let's say it's
a lesbian couple, right, so they would get it from
a sperm bank. But what if you what if the
lesbian knew a guy that was willing to donate it,
it would be the same kind of a situation. I'm
just curious, and I guarantee you it's all wrapped up
(40:33):
in the price of what one IUI cost. Yeah, I
don't think they're factoring where it's coming from. I think
they've bundled their oh exactly, but I'm like curious what
that costs. And then like, do you understand what I'm saying, Like,
let's say that cost. Do you have a ballpark of
what's something like that would cost?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
IUI think is like three to four thousand dollars around.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Okay, So or you could just have sex with a
guy for free and have a a more accurate natural
delivery of the product. Like, oh, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I I thought you were saying, like going into the
fertility clinic and being like I have sperm already, I
don't need it from you, Like that doesn't matter, that's
our Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I was just saying like how much they would still
charge to do it. But it's just like, obviously, this
is why it works, because the guys just bypassing the
fertility place.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I'd rather pay four thousand dollars and have a strange
penis in me. I don't know. Some people are fine
with it, but I understand. All right, let's wrap up
with this new ozempic side effect called drooping vulva.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, some of the side effects with it ozempic are
just terrifying. I mean, the ones that affect your health
for sure, and obviously people for the most part, people
take it to be healthier, but there's a lot of
abuse going on. I'll tell you that too, Like people
that need to there's five or ten pounds, should not
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be taking it, but whatever. Yeah, of course it's giving
people like the cosmetic side effects though, are like, Okay,
you want to take this because you want to look thinner,
but then you're also gonna look droopier and older. I
don't understand why you would pick that over well.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I don't think people realize that was a side effect
until we started seeing a bunch of celebrities all of
a sudden having sunk in in faces because we're like, okay,
they just got skinny, but now their faces look insane.
And it's ranging from people that were overweight and using
it to people that are using it from five to
ten pounds.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
It's it's crazy though, because obviously, like if it happens
on the skin in your face, it could happen on
the skin anywhere. So they're saying that, like now people's
vagina and volva is looking old and deflated. So now
they're like, oh, but you could get this procedure done
to get fat transfer, or you could get filler in
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your labia to make them look more plump. That kind
of like fat transfer for me, Like it just reminds
me of like build a bear, Like you're taking the
cot and then just like shooting it into the bear
to inflate. It is kind of like you're taking the
fat and shooting it in your labia to make it inflated.
But you see how these drugs work. It's just like, Okay,
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you have this and it works great, but then you
have these three other side effects that come with it
that now you need more medicine for basically, or more
medical intervention at least.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well, yeah, I mean this is like everything we're always
talking about, Like they're pushing this med and then you
have all these other problems. We have just another story
coming up on tomorrow's episode where I'm gonna get more
into that. But it's just like, how are we not
looking at this being like, Okay, we're taking this drug
and now we have five other problems?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, I don't listen so much more shit's gonna come
out over the course of the next twenty years too
with this drug, just because now they have so many
people taking it and they were gonna have a huge
population to be able to say, like what the true
side effects are.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, I'm curious what's gonna come out about that over
a long term, because like, of course, ozempic hasn't just
only been around a year or two. It's been around
for a long time. But I don't think we've ever
seen it. I mean no, I don't think we have
not seen it used in these astronomical numbers. It's being
used for like it is now, So I wonder what
the studies are going to look like in a couple yeahs.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
And it hasn't been like a long time per se, No,
but like a long term effects at least.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
A decade, right, it's been around or give or take.
But yeah, I mean we haven't seen the long term
like twenty year, thirty or forty years. What happens, I'm.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And what happens because every single person that takes it
for the most part, seems to be that they have
to take it for the rest of their lives because
once they stop taking it, they start gaining weight back unless.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
You use it correctly and take the time while you're
using it to try to re establish new lifestyle habits.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
So that you can maintain it. That's the balance. I
wonder what the percentage of that is. But so so yeah,
so you have that, Like you don't have the studies
of what happens when someone's on because people that are
taking it in their early twenties, but they're going to
have to be on it for forty years of their life. Like,
what's that like? I don't know. I'm interested me too.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome to Mother Knows. That today's episode is heavy
on women's health, and we're going to get started off
with a reality star who forgot she had a tampon
in for over a month, a death involving a home birth,
a mom catching her doctor in the parking lot of
the hospital running to get to her delivery on time,
a toilet berth, a man offering free semen and delivery
(00:45):
for women who are having a difficult time getting pregnant,
and another unpleasant side effect of ozembic. All that and
more on today's episode. Let's get started with this terrible
tampon story.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So Savannah Miller, who was on the seventh season of
the competition showed the Circle, recently shared that when she
was twenty two years old, she left a tampon in
for about a month, which quote smelled like a dead rat.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's a very interesting description, actually, because we have a
post in the grosser Room called super Gross Absorbancy about
a case where a woman had had a tampon stuck
in her vagina for an extended period of time. I
recall one time in surgical pathology, we got a tampon
(01:35):
out of an elderly woman's vagina that was up there
for a very long time, and I recall it being
one of the worst smelling specimens that we ever got
in surgical pathology. Now, when I did this post in
the grosser Room a few years ago called super gross
absorbency about this particular case with a tampon, there's like
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almost eighty comments underneath of this post that say it's
it's from medical professionals mostly, but even people that had
the experience personally, and a few people in those comments
described it as smelling like a dead rat. That is
why a dead rat specifically.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, one of our very first episodes of Mother Knows Death,
you talked about this with nurse Amy lockran too, Yeah, exactly,
explaining that was one of the worst things she's ever
smelled in her career as a nurse as well.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
There's been a couple of specimens that I can recall
that I'm like, when we're in the grosser room and
we open this specimen and take it out of the
bag or the container, that we all have to leave
the room because it's so bad. Just by opening the
lid it's like out of control. It's happened a few times,
and that is one that I could specifically remember for sure,
(02:49):
and I'm sure anyone working in the emergency room as well.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Why why is like what makes it smell so bad
over time? Because like you guys have pulled out the
foreign objects from people that have been there in a while,
and I've never heard anything described as quite as a
horrible smell as this.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Well, because it has old blood. Blood smells in general,
old blood smells even worse. It's period blood that has
a certain kind of an odor, and it's just sitting
up there bacteria. It's just there's a low oxygen environment
up there. It's really it's really really disturbing. So this
(03:30):
particular case seems a bit unnecessary because I feel like
this girl knew. So what happened was this is and
this is what you hear all the time. It's somebody
that was on the end of their period. It might
have had like a day left. This girl was going
to a bar and she was like, let me put
on a tampon, so I just don't have anything leaking
out for like the last day. And then she forgot
(03:50):
about it, but she started noticing that she was having
like this really unusual smell and itching and and just
like something wasn't right, And she went to the doctor
several times and even was tested for STDs. So when
I hear that, I'm like, Okay, they had to have
done a pelvic exam, right, Yeah, they did three pelvic
(04:12):
exams before they figured this out, which I don't even
understand how that's possible.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
See, this is worrisome for me because I have some
comfort during my yearly appointment that, like God forbid, anything
wrong was up there, they would see it when they
stick that medieval contraption and your vagina'd open you up, right,
But like, are they just can you not see the
whole cavity?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Well, I think that, I think that it's possible for
you to exam. I think in a normal examination, that's
not something that they would be looking for. Because what
happens is you have like your uterine cervix, which is
the opening to your uterus, right, but like surrounding that,
there's a little like a pocket up there that you
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could see. So she put the tampon in, didn't realize
it was there for a month, got her period again,
and every time she put in a new tampon. She
was just jamming it up in that little pocket multiple times,
like it could get really pushed up in there. And
but when she comes with these specific symptoms, that shoo
(05:15):
key the gynecologists or whoever's performing the publvic exam to
to look for something like that, because it's pretty I
wouldn't say it's the most common thing in the world,
but there's many stories of this happening to people. So
the biggest risk is you could get toxic shock syndrome,
which is a bacterial infection with specific bacteria that releases
(05:38):
toxins that that could kill you. It could cause sepsis,
and it could actually cause you to die. She didn't
get sick like that from it, but it's just more
it's just more gross, I guess you would say, than
anything else. And luckily they were able to take it out.
But I mean, she herself was describing the smell as
being so bad that she was able to smell it
like while she was in class, and that's just could
(05:59):
be embarrassing to a woman too, So I think it's
kind of ridiculous that it took them three different pelvic
exams to figure this out.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Well, yeah, of course it's embarrassing, and then you must
have some mental like I would be like I've been
to the doctor three times, like what's going on? They're
clearly not seeing anything's wrong with me. So I feel
like part of it is a mental thing where you're like,
am I like making this up?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Or what is going on?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Because they're not finding anything wrong with me? And it's
disgusting and it can be really embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, and especially when they did the STD testing and
nothing was there, like there's no there's no documented conditions
of like women just having some like foul putrid like
vaginal smell that doesn't have a cause, you know what
I mean. So it's like you shouldn't just be like, oh,
well everything's negative. So especially when it just comes on
(06:51):
really fast like.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
That, Well, I guess in the sense it's like it's
lucky that she didn't get toxic chock syndrome or anything. Yeah,
it is, actually because she seems like she was pretty honest.
Like that's like so so rare too, like is here at.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Least for me? For me?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It makes it seem like it could just happen to
anybody at any time, Like if you if you leave
a tampon in for eight hours and ten minutes, like
you're at risk of getting it.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
No, I need to look at the numbers. But like, honestly,
I think that it's it's it's. It definitely has happened,
and when it does happen, it's really bad. So they
just want to warn women that that's a possibility. But
I don't believe that it happens. Like it's like very rare.
Probably I would say minimal cases reported in comparison especially
(07:40):
to how many times women leave tampons and it's you
would think you would see more women getting getting it
and they don't.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, because I don't even sleep in them because I'm paranoix.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Jesus Christ, you are. You are like a special crazy
person for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, I think you should pull back a little bit
and be like, why am I crazy person? It's probably
because I was overexposed to so many things I could
go wrong with the body at a young age, and
that's why I'm paranoid. So putting the blame on you, mother,
all right. Back in twenty twenty two, this forty one
year old woman was pregnant and claimed the pregnancy was
going smooth only visited the doctor once at eight months
(08:17):
pregnant to check for the baby's heartbeat, but declined further
exam and testing, which I'm pretty sure everybody would say
is an ill advised way to go about pregnancy. So
when it came time for the birth, the mother had
chosen free birth, which means you give birth without medical
or midwifery assistance. And for that free birth, she contacted
an influencer named Emily Lao who runs this Instagram account
(08:40):
called the Authentic Birthkeeper to rent a birthing pool. A
couple weeks later, gave birth to the baby in the
pool at her home, and it did not go as expected.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, I guess that's I mean, Listen, I've had such
negative experiences at the hospital that I've commonly I probably
said it on the show before or that I joke
that I would have had a better experience if I
squatted by a tree than I did at the hospital.
But so I do understand people who want to have
(09:11):
a home birth, like in fact, like I might be
for it in some cases, but I would always be
for it with the assistance of a nurse practitioner or
a midwife for sure, Like I want somebody there that
knows that there's going to be a problem. And if
there's a problem, because there's so many problems that can happen,
(09:33):
why would you just trust yourself and your partner for
something that important. It just seems dumb, But I do.
I do think that there is something to be said
about doing it at home. I mean, they're like, we're
all here today because people gave birth at home. It's
not impossible.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But yeah, I guess just with like the resources we have,
it's just a question of why would you do that?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Also, well, I would because I think that I had
such a horrible experience and I don't like certain things,
like after I had the baby, they would they would
say like, oh, well, you know, we'll wake you up
to feed the baby. Every like all this all their
rules and their they have rules about, you know, waking
up the baby to feed the baby, and you're just
(10:21):
kind of like, no, I think the baby will wake
up and cry and I'll feed it when I'm ready.
They caught, they're just like a little bit too controlling.
I didn't like that stuff. I didn't like a lot
of stuff that went down there, and I had to
stay an additional day when I felt fine, like stuff
like that, Like I understand why people choose it. I
do like and I and I tell like, I'm telling
you I had negative experiences so like and and if anything,
(10:44):
I feel like they made me worse than I would
have been if I was at home. That's my personal experience.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, they also have I guess, this middle ground in
between the hospital and the home birth, which is like
a birthing center, well where you will go there and
you can't get any medicine or anything, but they have
like a nice time. It's kind of just like a
really nice hotel room that you're giving birth in, right,
so you're not in the hospital environment. It's a little
more chill. You have a midwife there.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Do you remember in The Nanny when fran Fine went
to like a gynocologist in the office was like decorated
like Laura Ashley wallpaper with matching curtains, and it was all.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I think about this often because every time he goes
to the doctor's office, it's just like so sterile, and
you're like, you can't just have some something anything making
it a little nicer.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Also, like does your of because I know you go
to a different place now do they have like what
do they put on the stirrups there?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I feel I only went to the new one once
so far, I don't remember, but in general, when I've
gone to the Obigu, I n they have like these
blue sock things.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Okay, well at my at my gynecologist, she has literal
oven myths. I'm not lying to you because Lara goes
to the same doctor as me, and every time we
go we take a picture and send it to each
other because it's hilarious. They're like from the dollar store
oven myths. No, I hope there. I'm like, they can't
make anything cuter for this situation.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I feel like the ones I've seen are like grippy
socks that they just like yeah, on top of it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's so weird, Like the whole the whole thing is weird.
And then they have like a poster on the roof
because you're like laying there, I don't know the.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Whole Can we talk about like doctor's office and Jef,
you and I were just talking about this Friday because
when you go, like they have these curtains that are
dividers right in the rooms, or like they give you
some privacy if you need to change. And they're like
embroidered with this eighties pattern of flowers, or they're like
blue cloth that's the same material as the gown.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I have this conversation with Gabe all the time because I'm,
you know, I'm above craziness as far as like the
decorating of things go. And especially Lucia's which is also
my dermatology office too, it just was decorated so bad.
It just was like the cabinets were navy blue and
(13:14):
the walls were like tan. It was like a school uniform.
There wasn't a picture on the wall, and sometimes, like
for certain appointments, you have to wait a long time
and it's just like there's no personality at all. They're
like And this happened after COVID. I noticed that they're
so sterile that they're scared to put like a picture
of a sal boat on the wall because it might
(13:35):
like offend somebody. Well, my one not a piece of art.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
My one. Dictor's office is a little more chic, but
even so, like they have a wallpaper on the wall,
but it it's like an up close photo. It looks
like when you look under the microscope, but like plant,
like the veins, and I'm just like, of all the wallpaper,
you could clearly have wallpaper, which means you could have
picked any pattern in the world, then you pick this
(14:00):
weird one. There has to be a business for like
interior design for doctor's offices, because I feel like if
we made them a little less sterile, not you don't
got to be like in the Nanny where there's like
beautiful drapes and like all this crazy shit and like
nice throat pillows and stuff. But if we made it
a little less sterile and just a little nicer, maybe
(14:21):
so many people wouldn't have white coat syndrome would be
afraid to go because when you go, it's just like
not a chill environment at all.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's just weird. It's weird. Like I understand wanting to
have certain materials because they you know, like a big
fluffy couch is kind of gross, right, like, yeah, that's disgusting,
but like that tight that tight like plethor seats is fine. Whatever.
It's just that they are choices. It can't the same
(14:50):
kild be said about we stayed at I don't know,
it was like Hampton and or one of the one
of those places, and it was just remodeled, and I'm
just like looking around and I said, who who designed
this hotel?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
A word?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
The chair they're none of the chairs. The patterns on
the chairs they don't match. And I don't mean because
I'm all about like putting patterns together, it's just they
don't go The light fixture is so weird. The choice
of colors don't go together even a little bit, like
what is happening here? And I feel the same way
every time I go to a doctor's office too well.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I told you at crime Con last year, the carpet
that was in the area where like the whole conference
was being held was the craziest pattern ever. It was
like making me dizzy whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Oh yeah, I remember that. It was like a casino.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, it was too much.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I think somebody can find a really good niche market
becoming an interior designer for doctor's offices. I definitely noticed
that specialists have way nicer stuff, but obviously because they're
making way more money than a regular office. But if
you think about the doctor's offices, they're they're raking it in.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
They could put a.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Little nice stuff in there, yeah, they could.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Anyway, we got anyway, off stuff anyway, getting back to
getting back to this. So where were we?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So I soa we were talking about the like a
birthing center.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
That's how I think. So this is what happened. So
this lady was talking to this influencer, and first she
texts the woman and says, I did it. And then
she said she was unable to deliver the placenta until
the following morning, which is really bad, Like, get that
thing out as soon as you can. They would never
(16:34):
That's this is the thing, like if you ever do
a home birth, and this is why you should have
a midwife or someone there, because if the placenta didn't
deliver naturally within a certain amount of time, that nurse
practitioner or that midwife would send you to the hospital
and be like, you need to get this out of
you because you could get really sick just from that,
(16:55):
and you could have bleeding problems from that too, Like
that's nothing that could be ignored for hours. And then
the mom said that she noticed something wrong with the
baby and saying that she couldn't wake up the baby
and the baby appeared to be turning blue. So her
first thought was to message this influencer and be like,
this happened. I can't wake up the baby. What do
(17:17):
you think is happening? Like, is this like a weird
cult thing or something like, what's happening here? Listen?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
This story is really weird. I do follow this one
influencer that has had a home birth. She documented the
whole thing. I watched the whole thing and everything, and
she I'm even I'm just thinking about her in particular
because she really liked the experience from what she's posted online.
But she certainly is always like, do your own thing.
This just happened to work for me, not giving advice.
(17:45):
This is weird because this particular pregnant woman contacted this
influencer and rented They're saying she rented this plastic birthing
pool from her and was in contact with her a
little bit. But then that influencer was saying she had
nothing to do with it. So it's kind of like,
what is going on in this particular story. The influencer
(18:06):
did not see this message for twenty five minutes, and
at that time, there was a FaceTime call and she
was like, you need to call an ambulance, Like obviously,
I don't know why we're looking at influencers for medical
advice instead I having a midwife there.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I know it is. It's very bizarre, Like I could
see that you could watch an influencer and be like, yeah,
I want to do that too, But like the second
you look at your baby and they look like they're
having a problem, why, Like, I just I don't trust
this woman at all. She's she's like she I don't know.
(18:42):
But anyway, so the baby goes to the hospital, babies
pronounced dead because I don't even I don't even really
know like what she thought was going to happen at
that point, after first responders came and brought the baby
to the hospital, like it's too late. So they do
the autopsy and they find like a weird bacteria in
the baby's ears and in the baby's lungs. And now
(19:04):
they're saying, like did this come from this pool that
she rented? Like where did this? Like that's another thing
that you need to take into consideration. And they said
that the problem was due to being underwater prolonged during birth.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I understand why people want to do this, I just
I don't know. I just feel like, if you don't
have any medical knowledge, and you're not going to have
a medical person there. It's just it should be ill advised.
And obviously for centuries people were having birth without people
by their side, right, Like exactly what you're saying. But
I think we're also living in a different society now
where we're not really like good at being survivors, do
(19:43):
you know what I'm trying to say, Like, yeah, exactly
in the sixteen hundreds, you were addicted to your phone
and you could get out of situations. I really don't
think a lot of people are like that today.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Even back then, like they're even if it wasn't like
a formal thing, there were always people in the village
or someth thing that had experience with this stuff that
was like, well, that would be present that would say like,
I mean, listen, clearly she's not all there because she
looked at her baby that looked like it was dying
and didn't have like this motherly instinct kicking to be
(20:15):
like shit, we have to go to the hospital right now.
Something's wrong. That to me alarms the shit out of me, honestly.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
So there's a question I have for you. Because they
also said the umbilical cord was uncut. So like when
this child was born at nighttime and the plasait.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It was god so she so the placenta was still
inside the mom and it was attached to the so
she was holding a baby the entire time until because
she didn't pass it for all that time.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, that's what I was getting at because like I'm like,
I know that probably sounds like a dumb question, but
like if they're saying the placenta and the umbilical cord
were untouched and in between the baby being born at
nighttime and then realizing in the morning that something was wrong,
that means the mother was laying with the placenta in
side of her and it was still attached to the
child laying in her arms.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah right, I mean, but the thing is is that
when the baby comes out and it's born, it's it
takes the natural system takes over that the baby starts
breathing on its own and needs to feed on its own.
So like that's why you could just cut that thing off,
because you don't need it anymore, you know what I mean,
Like it's trash, We're done with this, because there's a
certain like the placenta feeds the fetus. But as soon
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as the fetus comes out, like it starts doing its
own thing. So it didn't have anything to do with that.
It just had to do with the fact that she
did this water berth and the baby was in the
water underwater obviously because this bacteria was in the lungs
like aspirated this dirty water, and that was part of
(21:47):
the reason that the baby died. And it was probably
a combination of like I mean, imagine throwing a newborn
baby in a swimming pool, even if they got out
at time, I mean, the kid was alive for some
period of time, but you know, you could you could
die post having an exposure like a dry drowning situation
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
So the influencer then after so I guess in this
inquest they have because it was in another country, so
they had found that the baby's death was most likely
preventable if the baby was born in a hospital setting.
So then the influencer had gone on to post after
that finding quote, I had nothing to do with the birth.
I wasn't at the birth, I wasn't involved in the birth.
(22:27):
I didn't convince her to have a free birth. I
understand that, but do you not hold some responsibility for
influencing the free birth lifestyle in addition to renting out
a tool that's used to perform the act.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well, I thought she had an interesting comment which was quote,
it's devastating when a baby dies, regardless of where or
how However, the difference between how a mother is treated
when her baby dies in a sovereign birth at home
versus when the baby dies in the system, in a
hospital or at home with a midwife is so different
(23:03):
or so stark. I can't help but feel the entire
process has been used to stick to punish the mother
involved in the death that has been reported in the
media and anyone associated with her. So, I mean, I
guess what she's saying is like, if the mom was
in the hospital and the baby died, they would not
be attacking the mother, which is true.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
But yeah, but the death would be responsible on the
medical professionals in the environment, and she chose not to
have medical professional Yeah exactly. Therefore she was the only
person involved in the child death.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
So like, yeah, I do, I do see that, but
like that's the basic facts of this case.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, Like, you didn't do anything to stop this from happening,
and in fact, when the autopsy says that the baby
likely would have survived if it was a hospital, then
then like you're it is your fault. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think the general message here is you should look
at people online and what they're sharing and understand that
that's their personal experience and you should not be taking
medical advice from the internet exactly. This episode is brought
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
All Right, the only reason I really added this story
is because I feel like something similar happened to me
when I was having Lucia. All right, So last month,
this woman was in labor and even though she showed
up five centimeters dilated, her doctor induced her to keep
things moving. So while that kicked in, he was like,
I'm gonna go back to my office meet with another patient.
I'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
So she got scared because she got to ten centimeters
and he wasn't there yet. But then a nurse said
look out the window and they saw him running across
the street to make the birth on time.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
That's so cute.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's super cute seeing the video, and it's like, I
feel like this episode in particular, we're having a lot
of really weird stories about birth, but this is like
a nice one to see that this guy cared a
lot and was running over to the patient.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I swear a similar thing happened to me because when
I showed up at the hot like when I had Lucia,
it was only eighteen months after having Lilian, and it
was so fresh in my mind to give birth, so
I knew that there was no reason to go to
the hospital until I seemed to be further along, because
I was just going to sit there all day and wait,
(26:16):
and I could have just did that at home. So
I'm here at the house and my water was sprinkling
out throughout the day, but I and I was having
contractions and stuff, but it was like doable. And then
all of a sudden, I was like, okay, like I
can't tolerate this anymore. I have to go to the hospital.
(26:36):
Classic story of Gabe having a brand new truck and
putting a giant black trash bag on the seat because
he thought I was going to like gush fluids all
over his car. But we got to the hospital, and
I was shocked when they told me that I wasn't
really that far dilated. They were like, oh, you're only
one or two centimeters, and I was like, oh my god,
this is going to hurt so bad. So I get
(26:58):
there and we go upstairs and they keep like I
was in so much pain, and they kept saying, oh,
you're not far enough along yet to get to get
the anesthesia. And all this stuff because I did try
to get it, it just didn't work out. And then
finally I was sitting there and I just couldn't. I
just was like, I just can't believe I'm in this
(27:20):
much pain and and I'm not even like anywhere near
there yet. I was feeling very scared, honestly. And then
all of a sudden, I say to the nurse, I
feel like I have to push, and she's like, are
you short? Like it was like it like kind of
blowing me off, and she checked. And then all of
(27:40):
a sudden, it was like really really fast, my doctor
ran in and he was wearing I don't even know
where he got this outfit that he was wearing. He
was wearing like do you remember those like ninety wind
breaker suits. He was wearing a nineties wind breaker suit
for some reason. And this was only ten years ago. Oh,
(28:01):
And they were ripping things out of the cabinet and
like setting up, and it was like, I within ten minutes,
she was out of my body.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, I remember that day because you were like, I'm
in labor, but just like go to where it, go
about your day because it's gonna be all day long.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And then twenty minutes when I told you, They told
me I was like two centimeters or something.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, And then twenty minutes later, Gabe sent me a
picture of Lubert and I was like, what just possibly
happened in the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It was crazy, it was It was so outrageous how
fast it was. But at least, like I honestly felt
better afterwards because I because I obviously I had no
drugs whatsoever, but I felt better because I was like, okay,
so the pain that I thought I was dying from
was really like nine and ten centimeter pain. Okay, Like
that justifies because you guys were telling me that I
(28:55):
wasn't deaf far along, and I was. You severely miscalculated.
But the same exacting happened. Like my doctor was clearly
he was there around, either at the office or something,
but he ran in and was like not even wearing scrubs.
It was like out of control. So that is just
(29:16):
it just kind of reminded me of that.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
So his office is only one hundred yards away from
I guess the delivery unit there. So he said, with
twelve years of experience, he has refined his timing in
his route. So he can always make sure to get
there on time, which is super cool. Yeah the video,
he just looks like so heroic running across the street
to get there on time. All right, This birth story
(29:38):
is crazy. A couple months ago, this couple was on
a road trip with their six year old daughter in Toronto.
The wife claims that she went to bed and in
the middle of the night woke up with stomach pains
and an urge to push, exactly like what you were saying,
and before she knew it, she ended up giving birth
to a baby she didn't know she was pregnant with
in a toilet.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, Like, I mean I automatically would have thought that
I had diarrhea or something. Yeah. Absolutely, when you the
urge to push thing is like a real thing, because
I think before you have a baby, you're like, what
what does that feel like? How am I going to know?
And I'm like, oh, you know, it's like this, your
body just like reflexes and does it Like it's just
(30:19):
the weirdest thing ever. It's just expels like I can't explain,
you know how. It's kind of similar to when you're
sitting there and you go you feel nauseous, right, but
then you throw up, like you don't really have control
over it. You're just like something's guiding me to the
toilet and I need to bend over and like get
(30:40):
this out of me right now. It's kind of like
that feeling, like it just overtakes and like I really
don't know how else to explain it. It's just very
like spontaneous. So having like especially this woman had already
given birth, so she knows the whole deal. I'm sure
that was the last thing on her mind.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I don't
think it's whenever we hear there's these instances. I mean,
there was an entire show called I Didn't Know I
was pregnant. It's so unbelievable to me, based on everybody
I know that's pregnant that somebody wouldn't know, right, but
especially a person that's given birth not once, but twice.
This woman at an eighteen year old and a sixteen
(31:20):
year old. So that's what I think is extra crazy.
And she's saying that it was quite the shock to
her husband, who woke up when she was going to
the bathroom and heard a baby crying at the bathroom,
was like, what is possibly going on, but I guess
she she said she was having regular periods, so she
never questioned it. There was the thought she was going
(31:41):
through perry menopause at some point. She had several miscarriages
after the birth of her six year old daughter, so
I guess this was just totally unexpected. I just still
will never understand. This baby looked like a full sized,
huge baby too from pictures.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's a very interesting point because it made you think
of of, uh like placebo kind of when most people
find out they're pregnant when they're like what five or
six weeks pregnant, So it's like when you know in
your mind, then you're like, okay, well, I'm like really hungry.
Like every weird symptom you have can be explained because
(32:20):
you're pregnant, weakain being extra hungry, just like any kind
of weird system. You'd be like, okay, well, like symptom
you're You're just like, oh, I'm pregnant, that's why, and
you eat more and you're like, well, I'm eating like
like this because like you know, sometimes you whatever and
everyone doesn't get that like I do, and I'm pregnant.
I'm like like ravenous every single day. But some people
(32:43):
just gain normal weight whatever. But if you don't know,
and you're just kind of blow it off, like God,
like listen, like I'm going through perimenopause right now, and
every single day I'm like fighting all this weird stuff
that's happening with my body. And I'm like, right, I
want to eat all day long, but I know I
(33:03):
can't cause I'm going to gain weight. So it's like
like I reel it in. But then it's like if
I knew I was pregnant, like maybe I'd be like, well,
I'm pregnant, it makes sense, and you just have like
weird symptoms that you would blow off because you don't
know that you're pregnant.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I remember when I read Kelly Rippa's book, she said,
I think it was with her third kid, maybe it
was her first, I don't know, I don't know. Anyway,
she thought she had the flu for like weeks and
she was sick, and she was like, I was taking
all this medicine and then she found out she was
like eight weeks pregnant or something crazy, and then she
was freaking out because then she took all that medicine,
not knowing she was pregnant, But I just hear different
(33:40):
things with everybody. I agree with you. I think sometimes
it could definitely be a place Ebo effect, if you know,
because I'm sure people just have days where they have
weird cravings or mild nausea or diary like they don't
think anything of it. But of course you're gonna be
hyper vigilant when you know something's going on in your
body and blame it on that.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, Like and I understand, like it's just it's just different,
like you feel. Let's say you feel the movement of
the baby obviously when you're pregnant, right, But like if
you don't know and you're not expecting it, your mind
could just do crazy, like amazing things like you might
just blow it off as gas or and and other
(34:19):
times women's like a uterus could be towards the back
of their body that they don't show as much.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
That's what I was gonna ask, because I can understand
blowing the other symptoms off to other things. But like
most pregnant people I see are so visibly pregnant when
they're that far.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
But there's there's a viral video I saw going around
there about this woman who was like documenting her whole pregnancy,
and she would you know, she did the video like
eight weeks, ten weeks, like every couple weeks, and her
belly like didn't really get that big. It happens with
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some people. And like I said, some people, some people
lose weight when they're pregnant because they're sick. Some people
don't gain that much weight. Like this woman already had
two kids. Like maybe let's just say, maybe she was
twenty pounds overweight just from having kids and being older whatever, right,
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like she might she might not have noticed her belly
sticking out as much as before, do you know, because
of the chances in your body when you get older.
So and really, I've seen an autopsy of a pregnant
person that was full term, and the uterus itself is
not really taking up a whole bunch of space in there,
(35:44):
So it could be hidden in certain types of bodies
for sure. Like I told you, I like, I've been
pregnant three times, and I sit there and I say,
that's impossible. But then you could see when people will
have certain circumstances that you might just not know it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, all right, five years ago this thirty eight year
old guy from Japan was asked by a friend to
sleep with his wife because that guy was unable to
get her pregnant. So the guy ended up doing it
because he wanted to do a nice thing. But after that,
he decided to offer his services to others, meaning he'll
either sleep with the woman they get her pregnant, but
he also offers a non sex option.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Well maybe he puts it in a cup or something. Yeah,
so whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
He's selling his services via social media, which is apparently
this legal gray area in Japan, they have no specific
laws that banned private sperm donation or online promotion, and
he's been successful. There's a couple babies that have been
born from his services.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well it's weird because you would think, oh, this is
obvious prostitution kind of, but then at the same time
he's not. He asked people to pay for his travel,
but he doesn't actually want he's not getting paid for
it as a job. Yeah, so it's not. But like
if you talk about prostitution, like if someone was like, oh,
(37:11):
I'll have sex with you for free if you fly
me here, is that considered Okay? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I don't know because it's with the intention of conception.
So yeah, I think it's interesting, and I wonder if
they're gonna put laws in place, because this guy is
kind of in this like legal loophol doing this. But
he was saying that he thought, like his friend, most
of his customers would be couples with infertility, but it
ends up that his number one demographic is same sex
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marriages with women and single mothers who are just looking
to have kids, and then infertile couples.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
So apparently on his social media he posts that he
gets this like sexually transmitted infection test every month to
prove that he's clean. And he also posts a picture
of his degree, so you could know that he's both
educated and legit who he is saying he is.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So he's had over twenty requests, he's gotten seven women pregnant,
and four children have been born so far.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I would just like love a camera to just be
there recording this. Like how did like you have a
complete stranger showing up at your house and you're in
like having sex with your wife. Yeah, whether they're straight
or lesbian, Like, it's just weird. It's just weird to
think that you're just gonna let some stranger, like stick
as penis inside you. You don't even know him, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
A lot of people do that just for fun. I
guess that's true.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, but like it's just it's not but it's not
for fun, and that's what's weirding me out. I guess
it's just very clinical, like you're just gonna stand there
and watch this guy. Like, I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I guess some obviously in some cases people are okay
with it. But I'm more like a woman's okay just
having sex with a stranger to get pregnant. I'm just
curious the people that inquire about it.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's way cheaper though than going to a fertility doctor.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
We need a docu series on this guy. This This
is the type of.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Stuff, Like, think about if you got even if you
got the sperm, if you went to a fertility place
and said I have a sperm donor and wanted to
get in vitro fertilization, I wonder what that would cost
between them cost what IVF cost for for artificial intemination.
(39:32):
Well yeah, but minus the transfers and all that, Like
you would just be paying for the transfer though, Like
like why would Yeah, artificial intamination.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Oh sorry you said, you said IVF. So if you're
if you're just getting IU I, like, you still have
to pay for the IU. I Like, if you're going
with your husband, the sperm is free because it's coming
from your us.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
But that's what I'm saying. But they probably have all
these charges on how they collect it and preserve it
and put in the little container and do the whole procedure.
I wonder how much that costs, because there's a lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
They would never accept it that wasn't the specimen has
to be collected in the office. They're not gonna accept
it just bringing it in.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, but there's plenty of women that go in there
that don't, that aren't using their husbands. Let's say it's
a lesbian couple, right, so they would get it from
a sperm bank. But what if you what if the
lesbian knew a guy that was willing to donate it,
it would be the same kind of a situation. I'm
just curious, and I guarantee you it's all wrapped up
(40:33):
in the price of what one IUI cost. Yeah, I
don't think they're factoring where it's coming from. I think
they've bundled their oh exactly, but I'm like curious what
that costs. And then like, do you understand what I'm saying, Like,
let's say that cost. Do you have a ballpark of
what's something like that would cost?
Speaker 2 (40:52):
IUI think is like three to four thousand dollars around.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Okay, So or you could just have sex with a
guy for free and have a a more accurate natural
delivery of the product. Like, oh, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I I thought you were saying, like going into the
fertility clinic and being like I have sperm already, I
don't need it from you, Like that doesn't matter, that's
our Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I was just saying like how much they would still
charge to do it. But it's just like, obviously, this
is why it works, because the guys just bypassing the
fertility place.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I'd rather pay four thousand dollars and have a strange
penis in me. I don't know. Some people are fine
with it, but I understand. All right, let's wrap up
with this new ozempic side effect called drooping vulva.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, some of the side effects with it ozempic are
just terrifying. I mean, the ones that affect your health
for sure, and obviously people for the most part, people
take it to be healthier, but there's a lot of
abuse going on. I'll tell you that too, Like people
that need to there's five or ten pounds, should not
(42:01):
be taking it, but whatever. Yeah, of course it's giving
people like the cosmetic side effects though, are like, Okay,
you want to take this because you want to look thinner,
but then you're also gonna look droopier and older. I
don't understand why you would pick that over well.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I don't think people realize that was a side effect
until we started seeing a bunch of celebrities all of
a sudden having sunk in in faces because we're like, okay,
they just got skinny, but now their faces look insane.
And it's ranging from people that were overweight and using
it to people that are using it from five to
ten pounds.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
It's it's crazy though, because obviously, like if it happens
on the skin in your face, it could happen on
the skin anywhere. So they're saying that, like now people's
vagina and volva is looking old and deflated. So now
they're like, oh, but you could get this procedure done
to get fat transfer, or you could get filler in
(42:57):
your labia to make them look more plump. That kind
of like fat transfer for me, Like it just reminds
me of like build a bear, Like you're taking the
cot and then just like shooting it into the bear
to inflate. It is kind of like you're taking the
fat and shooting it in your labia to make it inflated.
But you see how these drugs work. It's just like, Okay,
(43:17):
you have this and it works great, but then you
have these three other side effects that come with it
that now you need more medicine for basically, or more
medical intervention at least.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well, yeah, I mean this is like everything we're always
talking about, Like they're pushing this med and then you
have all these other problems. We have just another story
coming up on tomorrow's episode where I'm gonna get more
into that. But it's just like, how are we not
looking at this being like, Okay, we're taking this drug
and now we have five other problems?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, I don't listen so much more shit's gonna come
out over the course of the next twenty years too
with this drug, just because now they have so many
people taking it and they were gonna have a huge
population to be able to say, like what the true
side effects are.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, I'm curious what's gonna come out about that over
a long term, because like, of course, ozempic hasn't just
only been around a year or two. It's been around
for a long time. But I don't think we've ever
seen it. I mean no, I don't think we have
not seen it used in these astronomical numbers. It's being
used for like it is now, So I wonder what
the studies are going to look like in a couple yeahs.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
And it hasn't been like a long time per se, No,
but like a long term effects at least.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
A decade, right, it's been around or give or take.
But yeah, I mean we haven't seen the long term
like twenty year, thirty or forty years. What happens, I'm.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And what happens because every single person that takes it
for the most part, seems to be that they have
to take it for the rest of their lives because
once they stop taking it, they start gaining weight back unless.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
You use it correctly and take the time while you're
using it to try to re establish new lifestyle habits.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
So that you can maintain it. That's the balance. I
wonder what the percentage of that is. But so so yeah,
so you have that, Like you don't have the studies
of what happens when someone's on because people that are
taking it in their early twenties, but they're going to
have to be on it for forty years of their life. Like,
what's that like? I don't know. I'm interested me too.
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